#robotics Logs
Apr 02 2019
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12:01 AM rue_mohr: hmm idea
12:06 AM rue_mohr: if you took something like the mr runner, and made a feedback control suit somehow, and see how well a human can operate it
01:06 AM deshipu: you wouldn't be able to keep balance
01:22 AM rue_mohr: not sold on that
01:34 AM rue_mohr: --
01:35 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, you made it
01:35 AM rue_mohr: :)
01:35 AM rue_mohr: a bit more real-time
01:36 AM alyssa25: Yup
01:36 AM alyssa25: This brings back memories :P
01:36 AM rue_mohr: yay, you can talk, the auth worked
01:36 AM rue_mohr: I been here for like 19 years
01:36 AM alyssa25: Awesome.
01:36 AM rue_mohr: waiting for people
01:36 AM rue_mohr: met lots of folks along the way
01:37 AM rue_mohr: I suspect emily is sleepin
01:37 AM * orlock waves
01:37 AM alyssa25: It'll do that. Along with many hours on bash.org
01:37 AM * alyssa25 waves
01:37 AM alyssa25: I ran into an interesting thing with that signal generator that's based on the XR2206.
01:38 AM orlock: Somebody dumped more T-slot in the bin
01:38 AM alyssa25: Every so often the signal shakes, like there's a quick shot of phase noise.
01:38 AM alyssa25: It's really brief then it snaps back, maybe a few tens of milliseconds in duration.
01:38 AM rue_mohr: T-slot?
01:38 AM orlock: but this time it's assembled into a prototype biotech robot
01:39 AM orlock: rue_mohr: 2020/4040 whatever you want to call it
01:39 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, thats odd, its an analog chip
01:39 AM rue_mohr: orlock, plugs or solder?
01:39 AM alyssa25: rue_mohr: agreed. It'll be this quick blip every five seconds or so.
01:39 AM orlock: It's fastened together, not welded
01:40 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, is it possible its the equip your watching it with?
01:40 AM alyssa25: Aluminum t-slot extrustion
01:40 AM alyssa25: Extrusion
01:40 AM rue_mohr: orlock, oooh, frame metal
01:40 AM orlock: rue_mohr: yeah
01:40 AM rue_mohr: how long are the peices?
01:40 AM orlock: i got about 5 meters from the last lot.. 2x1m and 2x 1.3m
01:41 AM * rue_mohr does not want the rest of the rice dish for supper, he wants to be a robot.
01:41 AM rue_mohr: !!!!!
01:41 AM rue_mohr: nice
01:41 AM alyssa25: It can be fiddly to work with but it's need. Can cut it with a skilsaw.
01:41 AM rue_mohr: and 3d print joiners
01:41 AM orlock: alyssa25: We have a bandsaw here to cut it
01:41 AM orlock: alyssa25: We use it to make assembly jigs and things
01:41 AM orlock: and prototype robots/instruments
01:41 AM rue_mohr: make 3d printer...
01:42 AM rue_mohr: :/
01:42 AM orlock: yeah, i want to replace my printe's frame with it
01:42 AM alyssa25: The first 3d printer a couple friends and I built was a Prusa Mendel.
01:42 AM alyssa25: I think that was in 2014?
01:42 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, were all on different timezones, if I miss emily (EVELA), could you say hi when you see her?
01:43 AM rue_mohr: I'm still building them :)
01:43 AM rue_mohr: tho, I'v redesigned almost everything
01:43 AM orlock: alyssa25: prisa i3 here, perspex, frame has warped due to heat+tension
01:44 AM orlock: ok, time to go home.. via the scrap bin, see what i can grab
01:44 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I wish somebody dumped some maytec stuff near me....
01:44 AM rue_mohr: cat in....
01:44 AM orlock: rue_mohr: i showed you my t-slot framed workbench?
01:44 AM rue_mohr: no
01:44 AM alyssa25: rue_mohr: sure thing. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be up, kind of waiting on a reply from fedex.
01:44 AM orlock: https://en.crypt.net.au/ESDBench/IMG_1445.JPG.jpg
01:44 AM Jak_o_Shadows: orlock, I kinda want to embed a line of t-slot into my bench, for the clamping
01:44 AM rue_mohr: wow
01:45 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, --> rue_bed . I'm ever off irc
01:45 AM alyssa25: Jak_o_Shadows: what about pritchel holes?
01:45 AM * Jak_o_Shadows can't tell what you were drinking
01:45 AM rue_mohr: tho, I'm often away from keybaord
01:45 AM Jak_o_Shadows: alyssa25, i don't think my bench is solid enough for that.
01:46 AM rue_mohr: orlock, you back in australia again?
01:47 AM rue_mohr: nice rack hardware anyhow
01:47 AM orlock: rue_mohr: i never left?
01:47 AM rue_mohr: orlock, I'm not judging by the roo in the corner, but the horrid insulation job between the wall and roof :)
01:48 AM alyssa25: Any of you interested in generative neural networks?
01:48 AM alyssa25: You need to play with this: https://colab.research.google.com/github/ak9250/gpt-2-colab/blob/master/GPT_2.ipynb
01:48 AM orlock: rue_mohr: i do work for a german brand that was bought by an american company?
01:48 AM rue_mohr: when I was there, I visited a place with the largest fireplace, I, as a canadain, had ever seen, and there were 1cm gaps in the floorboards to outside...
01:49 AM rue_mohr: I'd like to play with NN, but NN and 32bit aren't buddies
01:49 AM orlock: yeah
01:49 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Gotta leave the spiders some way of escaping
01:49 AM orlock: double glazing isnt a thing here either
01:50 AM rue_mohr: I have some gpu cards to play with too
01:50 AM rue_mohr: alyssa25, so, freenode had to go all secure a while ago,
01:50 AM alyssa25: rue_mohr: Check the link: https://colab.research.google.com/github/ak9250/gpt-2-colab/blob/master/GPT_2.ipynb
01:51 AM alyssa25: It doesn't run on your machine. It runs on google's machine.
01:51 AM rue_mohr: feel free to use that login as much as ya want, like I say, I was making it easy entry
01:51 AM alyssa25: With free access to a Tesla K80
01:51 AM alyssa25: Sounds good.
01:51 AM Jak_o_Shadows: waaaait, there's a python interface to google drive now
01:51 AM rue_mohr: hmm
01:51 AM alyssa25: Jak_o_Shadows: yup
01:52 AM orlock: so i can put my swap on google drive now?
01:52 AM rue_mohr: hayhaha
01:52 AM Jak_o_Shadows: alyssa25, I don't think i have any immediate use for that, but pretty neat!
01:52 AM orlock: ok
01:52 AM orlock: home time
01:52 AM orlock: via scrap bin
01:52 AM rue_mohr: raid5?
01:52 AM alyssa25: Have you heard of GPT-2?
01:52 AM rue_mohr: nope
01:52 AM alyssa25: It's the neural network from OpenAI that they were unwilling to release the full model of.
01:53 AM rue_mohr: this is worth a sit-down
01:53 AM alyssa25: They only released a limited version. That link lets you use a google machine to train it on any text you like.
01:53 AM rue_mohr: it might be a little high level for me
01:54 AM alyssa25: "He was no longer averse simply because Professor Rice seemed to reproduce himself as if he were an alligator; but because the Professor was wholly unafraid to stun or kill an animal in itsest state possible, or to dupe the senses into thinking it a veteran such as alluvium, or deep in theuvian rock."
01:54 AM rue_mohr: I was able to implement a NN in excel (ok, gnumeric) and train it to a logic gate
01:54 AM alyssa25: That's from GPT-2 trained on The Dunwich Horror by Lovecraft.
01:54 AM rue_mohr: huh
01:55 AM rue_mohr: and I was able to take that excel sheet and implement it in C
01:55 AM rue_mohr: I need a basic hidden-layer step
01:55 AM alyssa25: " Examined once for a time on videotape, it seemed probable that the text was probably the work of unblinking black tentacles, and terminated in piercing hemispheres of black horror."
01:55 AM rue_mohr: I wonder what it would think of 19 years of IRC logs
01:55 AM alyssa25: Check out tensorflow and keras.
01:56 AM alyssa25: Give me a download link of a textfile and I'll train it.
01:56 AM rue_mohr: yea, 32bit = problem
01:56 AM alyssa25: There's also spell.run
01:56 AM rue_mohr: heh, that would take me a bit, I think my logs run out about 2010 and then toms take over
01:56 AM alyssa25: https://spell.run/
01:57 AM rue_mohr: :) any direction is a good one
01:57 AM Jak_o_Shadows: aha. I don't know if i want to really look back at logs to carefully
01:57 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I've asked a lot of dumb questions
01:58 AM rue_mohr: my last attempt was to play with tensor flow, but I learned that tensor flow is not NN software, its just a math lib sitting on other math libs...
01:58 AM alyssa25: I like to use things like spell.run because it makes it infinitely faster.
01:58 AM rue_mohr: hwo much NN do you play with?
01:58 AM alyssa25: That's what NN software is.
01:58 AM alyssa25: Keras may be more your speed.
01:58 AM alyssa25: https://keras.io/
01:58 AM rue_mohr: I'd like to implement a basic hidden layer in, like C
01:59 AM alyssa25: A lot of my stuff is limited to running researcher's code.
01:59 AM alyssa25: They all post on github!
01:59 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I'm gonna build the robot before I bother training it how to walk
01:59 AM rue_mohr: python-lasagne - deep learning library build on the top of Theano (Python2 modules)
01:59 AM rue_mohr: huh
01:59 AM rue_mohr: thats what I get when I search for it in the debian packages
02:00 AM alyssa25: That's another one.
02:00 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I wonder if you'd be better off on centOS... Long support time. 64bit only nowadays I think though
02:00 AM alyssa25: Keras has all the different layer types prebuilt and you basically put them together.
02:00 AM rue_mohr: oopps, midnight
02:00 AM rue_mohr: ok, goodnight twitter...
02:01 AM alyssa25: Good night
02:01 AM rue_bed: na
02:01 AM alyssa25: I'm heading to bed in a couple minutes myself.
02:01 AM rue_bed: just twitter
02:01 AM alyssa25: Ahh
02:01 AM * rue_bed is in bed now
02:02 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Through until the 3d printer parts get here, i'm just focusing on designing a pcb
02:02 AM rue_bed: who you gonna use to make it?
02:02 AM alyssa25: https://medium.com/@spellrun/generating-rnn-text-on-spell-18a1ab8179b8
02:02 AM Jak_o_Shadows: China
02:02 AM rue_bed: heh
02:02 AM alyssa25: That is a tutorial on getting a neural network to generate D&D spells.
02:02 AM rue_bed: heh
02:02 AM rue_bed: ok
02:02 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Whoever is cheapest. I have 3 60x40 boards, double sided, but hopefully not too many layers
02:02 AM alyssa25: My interest is in generative stuff because it's hilarious.
02:03 AM rue_bed: ok, I was going to ask
02:03 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I want to use a NN to teach the robot how to use it's back properly.
02:03 AM rue_bed: ugh, this laptop keybaord sucks
02:03 AM alyssa25: When Janelle Shane did it, one of the ones it generated was Shield of Farts.
02:03 AM rue_bed: hahahaha
02:03 AM alyssa25: I have experimented with software for training a simulation to walk.
02:03 AM rue_bed: repel any enemy
02:03 AM alyssa25: On my hardware it's a very slow process.
02:04 AM rue_bed: lots of that would be about how you have it measure success, no?
02:05 AM alyssa25: The measurement of success in this particular scenario was distance travelled in a given amount of time.
02:05 AM alyssa25: https://github.com/deepmind/dm_control
02:05 AM alyssa25: That's the code.
02:06 AM Jak_o_Shadows: My initial plan was to restrict the motion a lot
02:06 AM Jak_o_Shadows: hmm, that is something I should use.
02:06 AM rue_bed: I have an idea for what I call cross-training, but I dont know if the structures used for NN would work iwth it
02:06 AM rue_bed: oh no, keyboard kitty
02:07 AM alyssa25: Installation instructions are there. It can be a little fiddly but it's neat.
02:07 AM alyssa25: rue_bed: cross-training?
02:08 AM * alyssa25 may smell a GAN
02:09 AM alyssa25: A favourite of mine: "In the meantime a quieter yet even more spiritually poignant phase of the horror had been Kane's turning green. Twice a year he would light a cinder-like object with the key attached, to go Wooden across the road at the great bend in the road."
02:09 AM rue_bed: using related training with alternate input/outputs to get hidden layers preset better
02:10 AM rue_bed: :)
02:10 AM alyssa25: You could probably build it in five minutes with keras.
02:10 AM rue_bed: I need to start a little closer to the ground
02:11 AM rue_bed: I assembled a 64 bit linux machine tho
02:11 AM rue_bed: arg, 6.5 hours till my alarm clock goes off, I better sleep!
02:12 AM alyssa25: https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-build-a-neural-network-with-keras-e8faa33d0ae4
02:12 AM alyssa25: CHeck that out.
02:12 AM rue_bed: er, 6.25.... er no, 6.125!!! eeeek
02:13 AM rue_bed: no manual sizing, interetsing
02:13 AM rue_bed: ok, sleep, gnight!, happy dreams!
02:13 AM alyssa25: You too
02:34 AM Jak_o_Shadows: This video is a bit of an inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNeZWP5Mx9s
12:28 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest75333
05:55 PM EVELA: i guess I'm here, Rue
05:55 PM rue_mohr: there!
05:55 PM rue_mohr: it worked :)
05:55 PM rue_mohr: ok, so your doing hardware
05:56 PM rue_mohr: do you want to go the uln2803 route?
05:56 PM EVELA: yea
05:56 PM rue_mohr: roger isn't subscribed to me, so I cant message him
05:57 PM rue_mohr: ok, oh oh, another point came up
05:57 PM EVELA: Roger has several stepper motor drivers with ULN2003 chips in sockets
05:57 PM EVELA: so we can steal those
05:57 PM rue_mohr: the old vfd calculators, they usually had driver chips!
05:57 PM rue_mohr: but yea, ok
05:57 PM rue_mohr: I used two driver chips, one for the grids, and one for the segments
05:57 PM EVELA: I'll tell roger to follow you
05:58 PM rue_mohr: hahah
05:58 PM EVELA: but he's very slow to respond to texts
05:58 PM rue_mohr: that sounds funny
05:58 PM rue_mohr: if irc works for ya, you can get a client program like mirc or hexchat
05:58 PM EVELA: lol
05:59 PM EVELA: i could, but this works fine for me
05:59 PM rue_mohr: shall I draw up schematics for what I did?
05:59 PM EVELA: We were thinking of using one chip for the grids, and two for the segments
05:59 PM EVELA: sure, a schematic would be helpful!
05:59 PM rue_mohr: with the 74595? if you have two 8 bit ports, you can use those direct too
06:00 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, EVELA
06:00 PM rue_mohr: polprog, EVELA
06:00 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, EVELA
06:00 PM EVELA: 74595?
06:00 PM EVELA: for multiplexing?
06:00 PM rue_mohr: its a shift register, serial-> parallel
06:01 PM rue_mohr: makes it need less io
06:01 PM rue_mohr: you can do it direct too
06:01 PM EVELA: ahh ok
06:01 PM rue_mohr: so, you were using 35V?
06:01 PM EVELA: 32V
06:02 PM veverak: rue_mohr: hi!
06:02 PM veverak: rue_mohr: have time?
06:02 PM rue_mohr: hi
06:02 PM rue_mohr: I'm home from work
06:02 PM veverak: cool
06:02 PM EVELA: we used an HP printer power supply from a printer i tore down at the group a few weeks ago
06:02 PM EVELA: roger happened to have it in his backpack, and it had 32v output
06:02 PM rue_mohr: aha
06:03 PM rue_mohr: I dialed one of those down to 24V
06:03 PM EVELA: but now I salvaged the transformer from the device
06:03 PM veverak: rue_mohr: I have a tip of an leg of quadruped robot, and I was thinking about getting information about forces that are acting on the tip
06:03 PM rue_mohr: and you had DC on the filament?
06:03 PM EVELA: yea
06:03 PM rue_mohr: huh, it looked like it was working pretty even
06:03 PM EVELA: but now I've got that transformer, and it has 2.6VAC output for the filament
06:04 PM veverak: rue_mohr: like how much weight is the leg supporting (measured at the tip) and direction of any force
06:04 PM veverak: rue_mohr: (and size of that force)
06:04 PM EVELA: and it has another pair of wires that put out 18VAC, and i think that would be a good range once rectified and smoothed
06:04 PM EVELA: for driving the plates and grids
06:05 PM rue_mohr: did you ahve a chance to see what the origional driving voltage was?
06:05 PM veverak: rue_mohr: like using rod as the tip of the leg, and using 4 pressure sensors at the base of the rod (evenly spread around the rod - 90 degrees)
06:05 PM rue_mohr: veverak, ... ?
06:05 PM veverak: rue_mohr: does it make sense to you?
06:05 PM rue_mohr: veverak, you want foot pressure then
06:06 PM veverak: rue_mohr: pressure on foot definetly
06:06 PM rue_mohr: EVELA, just drawing up a schematic
06:07 PM EVELA: we poke around some and we got varying voltages
06:07 PM EVELA: highest was like 33
06:08 PM veverak: rue_mohr: but any force (size and direction) force that is concurrent with the plane the foot is on
06:08 PM rue_mohr: ok
06:08 PM EVELA: but some pins were at like 6 or 4.5
06:08 PM EVELA: depending on whether they were blinking on or off
06:08 PM rue_mohr: its odd, the microcontroller datasheet suggests that its output is only 0-5V
06:08 PM rue_mohr: so, I think they might be playing a neat trick I dont know
06:08 PM EVELA: yeah. i don't understand that
06:09 PM rue_mohr: where the anodes are run 0-5, and the grids are run 5-(-30)
06:09 PM EVELA: as i recall, and i didnt pay good attention
06:09 PM rue_mohr: that chip is an interesting one for sure
06:09 PM EVELA: but i think the grids were at 33
06:09 PM EVELA: and the plates were in the 4.5-6 range
06:09 PM rue_mohr: there is some symmantic room
06:09 PM EVELA: so maybe it will work like that
06:09 PM rue_mohr: its all relative votlages
06:10 PM EVELA: i dont know what that means
06:10 PM rue_mohr: well
06:10 PM rue_mohr: you can have 0, 5, 25
06:10 PM EVELA: ok
06:10 PM rue_mohr: or you can have -5, 0, 20
06:10 PM rue_mohr: ...
06:11 PM EVELA: ah, i see
06:11 PM rue_mohr: yea
06:11 PM rue_mohr: its all just relative voltages once its in the vfd
06:11 PM EVELA: makes sense
06:12 PM EVELA: i thought that the plates and grids were supposed to be at the same voltage level
06:12 PM EVELA: but maybe not
06:12 PM EVELA: ?
06:12 PM rue_mohr: my understanding is that they will work if the grids and plates go above and below the filament offset
06:13 PM rue_mohr: so, for this schematic I'm draing up, the filament is at 5V offset from ground
06:13 PM EVELA: ah
06:13 PM EVELA: does the filament need an offset?
06:13 PM rue_mohr: and the grids/plates, go from 0 to 32
06:13 PM rue_mohr: yes
06:13 PM EVELA: the filament seemed to be just getting 2.6VAC from the transformer
06:13 PM rue_mohr: good question ;)
06:15 PM rue_mohr: draw draw draw...
06:15 PM EVELA: lol
06:19 PM rue_mohr: yea, love that, my scanner took a video of the schematic >:/
06:20 PM EVELA: a video?
06:20 PM EVELA: i didnt know scanners can take video
06:20 PM rue_mohr: its a "click" scanner :)
06:20 PM rue_mohr: "*click* ok, its scanned!"
06:20 PM EVELA: you mean it's a camera?
06:21 PM rue_mohr: :)
06:21 PM EVELA: haha
06:21 PM rue_mohr: shall I put this in a thread?
06:21 PM EVELA: twitter thread, you mean?
06:21 PM rue_mohr: got it
06:21 PM rue_mohr: posted
06:21 PM rue_mohr: as a reply
06:22 PM EVELA: cool
06:22 PM EVELA: what's a flyback pin?
06:23 PM rue_mohr: its pin 10
06:23 PM EVELA: ok
06:23 PM rue_mohr: its the common cathode for catching flyback from inductive loads
06:24 PM EVELA: how are the 2803 interfaced with the arduino?
06:24 PM rue_mohr: directly :)
06:24 PM EVELA: but arduino doesn't have 16 outputs
06:24 PM rue_mohr: you can hook them right to output ports
06:24 PM EVELA: is it multiplexed?
06:24 PM rue_mohr: the display still is
06:25 PM rue_mohr: one chip drives your grid, the other your segment
06:25 PM EVELA: yea
06:25 PM rue_mohr: so you loop thru everyone
06:25 PM EVELA: but i only have 10 pwm output pins on the arduino
06:25 PM rue_mohr: just remember to turn off the segments when you switch grids, or the segments will "smear" between positions
06:25 PM EVELA: and we have like 18 pins on the vfd to control
06:26 PM rue_mohr: ya dont need pwm just regular ouptuts
06:26 PM rue_mohr: do you know if you have that many regular ouptuts??
06:26 PM rue_mohr: the grids can be done with a 4017....
06:26 PM rue_mohr: (as an expansion chip)
06:26 PM EVELA: https://www.theengineeringprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Introduction-to-Arduino-UNO.png
06:27 PM rue_mohr: I don't know what you have access to
06:27 PM rue_mohr: uno ok
06:27 PM EVELA: that's the pinout for an arduino uno, for example
06:27 PM EVELA: but roger says he might program a pic to do it because he has a bunch and they're cheap
06:27 PM EVELA: that would give us more pins, i think
06:28 PM rue_mohr: yea, so, I'd use 2 thru 9 for one chip and 10 - 13 + A0 - A3 for the other
06:28 PM rue_mohr: its all about what your used to
06:28 PM EVELA: ok
06:29 PM EVELA: also, we have 2003 chips, not 2803
06:29 PM EVELA: so that means just one fewer output on each?
06:29 PM rue_mohr: sometimes its about pushing your boundries, sometimes its about making it work, there is definitly a balance
06:29 PM rue_mohr: yea, its just a 7 driver instead of 8
06:29 PM rue_mohr: do you think you have any old boards around from vfd calculators?
06:30 PM EVELA: zero chance of that
06:30 PM rue_mohr: ok
06:30 PM EVELA: we might make this easy on ourselves to start and only drive the segments
06:30 PM EVELA: and ignore all the other things
06:31 PM rue_mohr: yea, if you activate just 1 grid
06:31 PM EVELA: like the day of the week, the numbers, and the little symbols
06:31 PM rue_mohr: get a digit to count
06:31 PM rue_mohr: maybe thats why they are 7 channel, for 7 segment displays :)
06:32 PM EVELA: probbly
06:32 PM rue_mohr: ok, so does that give you some direction?
06:32 PM EVELA: yes it does!
06:32 PM rue_mohr: :)
06:32 PM EVELA: we might try to get this working on thursday at the monthly hack meetup
06:33 PM rue_mohr: so, those neon bargraphs then...
06:33 PM rue_mohr: your in the usa?
06:34 PM EVELA: i am!
06:34 PM rue_mohr: ok, it would take about 2 weeks to get to ya
06:34 PM EVELA: loss anjuleez
06:34 PM EVELA: okie dokie
06:34 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, ^^ la!
06:34 PM rue_mohr: he's in LA too
06:34 PM rue_mohr: he must be out workin
06:35 PM EVELA: zhanx is is in LA?
06:35 PM rue_mohr: I'd like to know if its worth sending you the coil spring from this drillpress,
06:35 PM rue_mohr: yea, he loses internet at the same time when they dig up the fiber :)
06:35 PM EVELA: i should be working. i'm at my desk, and I'm supposed to be writing an article about evolving an enzyme to create beta-lactams
06:35 PM EVELA: it's half written, but it's boring
06:36 PM rue_mohr: oh damn, sorry, go to it
06:36 PM EVELA: no worries
06:36 PM EVELA: i dont want to
06:36 PM EVELA: haha
06:36 PM rue_mohr: haha
06:36 PM EVELA: what do you need to know to know if it's worth it to send the spring?
06:36 PM rue_mohr: na get the work stuff done, I didn't get much sleep last night, I'll prolly be up late again
06:37 PM rue_mohr: well, about how big it is, and how the (usually hooks) on the ends might have gone
06:37 PM EVELA: okie dokie
06:37 PM EVELA: oh ok
06:37 PM EVELA: um
06:37 PM rue_mohr: I'm ALWAYS on irc
06:37 PM EVELA: lemme sketch how i think it was
06:37 PM rue_mohr: tho I might not be at my computer
06:37 PM rue_mohr: if you come here and I'm not here, the power went out or canada is gone.
06:38 PM EVELA: ok
06:38 PM rue_mohr: and the power has to be out for a while
06:38 PM EVELA: lol
06:39 PM EVELA: i'm sending you the sketch in twitter DM
06:39 PM rue_mohr: ok
06:39 PM rue_mohr: I'll go measure my spare
06:41 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
06:50 PM zhanx: ok here
06:51 PM rue_mohr: she is in LA too!
06:51 PM zhanx: I am not in LA
06:51 PM zhanx: you know that
06:51 PM rue_mohr: damnit, why did I remember you were in LA
06:51 PM rue_mohr: wait, who was in LA
06:52 PM Tom_L: nobody
06:52 PM rue_mohr: no, there was
06:52 PM Tom_L: maybe Ga
08:16 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, will mail show up if i just your first name on the box?
08:33 PM rue_shop1: maybe its worth that aloong, I got a bunch of ewaste stuff and it has a bunch of MIC5814 chips in it
08:33 PM rue_shop1: its a 74595w/uln2803 built in