#robotics Logs

Feb 24 2019

01:51 AM rue_mohr: --
02:18 AM rue_mohr: hi rue
02:18 AM rue_mohr: hey
02:18 AM rue_mohr: long time, hows it going
02:18 AM rue_mohr: no better
02:18 AM rue_mohr: not finding what your looking for?
02:18 AM rue_mohr: nope
02:18 AM rue_mohr: likeley if you leave it alone, it'll rot
02:18 AM rue_mohr: gee, thanks
02:18 AM rue_mohr: there really is nobody out there is there?
02:18 AM rue_mohr: correct!
02:18 AM rue_mohr: well fuck
02:18 AM rue_mohr: whats so bad
02:18 AM rue_mohr: even if I do become a machine, I'll be alone
02:18 AM rue_mohr: yea
02:18 AM rue_mohr: YEA
02:18 AM rue_mohr: no, remember? depression is the only thing that can destroy you
02:18 AM rue_mohr: yea, and busses
02:19 AM rue_mohr: sure, yea, busses too
02:19 AM rue_mohr: well?
02:19 AM rue_mohr: well we should figure it out
02:19 AM rue_mohr: can I?
02:19 AM rue_mohr: you can do anything
02:19 AM rue_mohr: except defeat this fatiuge
02:20 AM rue_mohr: your putting up a damn good fight
02:20 AM rue_mohr: ok, so brain
02:20 AM rue_mohr: so brain indeed
02:20 AM rue_mohr: nobody
02:20 AM rue_mohr: not a soul
02:21 AM rue_mohr: not many networks are we dealing with
02:21 AM rue_mohr: ?
02:21 AM rue_mohr: how many networks we dealing with
02:21 AM rue_mohr: at the rate their failing its hard to keep track buddy
02:21 AM rue_mohr: thanks
02:21 AM rue_mohr: lets see
02:22 AM rue_mohr: what do we have for flow diagrams?
02:22 AM rue_mohr: it might be 17
02:23 AM rue_mohr: I suppose we could start with that
02:23 AM rue_mohr: ok, so we need a size for each network
02:23 AM rue_mohr: you know, spinal is missing
02:24 AM rue_mohr: so it is, and symathetic
02:24 AM rue_mohr: sympathetic?
02:24 AM rue_mohr: totally
02:24 AM rue_mohr: can we do this with exponential progress?
02:24 AM rue_mohr: just barely, I think
02:25 AM rue_mohr: what have we learned
02:25 AM rue_mohr: our origional estimate was 100G neurons, but we know thats wrong now
02:26 AM rue_mohr: yea 80% interconnects
02:26 AM rue_mohr: 80%?
02:26 AM rue_mohr: 50?
02:26 AM rue_mohr: 90% of statistics are made up?
02:26 AM rue_mohr: :)
02:27 AM rue_mohr: we know its a digital system implemented on analog hardware
02:28 AM rue_mohr: and it seems that the system programming is actaully done via physical change
02:29 AM rue_mohr: how do we find out what the normal signal/noise ratio is?
02:29 AM rue_mohr: impulse logic
02:30 AM rue_mohr: yea, that implements state machines
02:30 AM rue_mohr: so everything is event based
02:30 AM rue_mohr: so a lack of external events makes the system go crazy
02:31 AM * rue_mohr stares at rue
02:31 AM rue_mohr: moving along...
02:32 AM rue_mohr: PFM
02:32 AM rue_mohr: hmm, pulse logic gates and pfm, and pfm naturally sums
02:32 AM rue_mohr: and multigrain neural networks
02:33 AM rue_mohr: neural network state machines
02:33 AM rue_mohr: horses
02:33 AM rue_mohr: yes, anticipatory sequencers
02:34 AM rue_mohr: and emotion controls learning
02:34 AM rue_mohr: which is interesting, cause emotion is part of that other state machine
02:35 AM rue_mohr: and the brain being laid out based on its sensory array
02:35 AM rue_mohr: well, thats quite a kettle of fish
02:36 AM rue_mohr: ok, what if we try to get a handle on the neuron count again
02:37 AM rue_mohr: ah you were talking about the firing harmonics
02:37 AM rue_mohr: oh yea
02:47 AM rue_mohr: ok, they aren't doing brainwaves like I thought
02:47 AM rue_mohr: but this is interesting
02:48 AM rue_mohr: so, firing intervals from 12 to 38Hz
02:57 AM rue_mohr: aha
02:58 AM rue_mohr: so I'd say it averages about 5mm deep
04:17 AM veverak: hehe
07:36 AM goppo: if weight is no issue, would you use 3x 12V SLA or 2x 36V lipo packs as a 36V supply?
08:04 AM deshipu: lead is going to be cheaper and longer lived
08:09 AM deshipu: lipos probably can give more current, though
08:11 AM goppo: deshipu don't lipos have more lifetime cycles?
08:11 AM goppo: and lead acid depends the level of discharge?
08:14 AM deshipu: goppo: it's really hard to compare without knowing the exact parameters under which they are going to be used
08:15 AM deshipu: goppo: generally you are going to get worse lifetime if you operate near the maximum for a given battery
08:17 AM goppo: when a lead acid says 12V 9Ah, i presume 9Ah is the nominal figure? does that mean it's safe to draw 108W from it without making it unhappy?
08:45 AM deshipu: no idea how the lead batteries are in that regard
09:32 AM goppo: deshipu ok thanks
10:31 AM goppo: question: as for 10S Ah lipo packs, does that usually mean 360W can be drawn from it before the voltage falls below 36V?
11:12 AM deshipu: goppo: what?
01:48 PM rue_mohr: polprog, :) got the patch?
02:31 PM rue_mohr: polprog, include $(libopenCM3Path)/mk/genlink-config.mk is the right line, yes?
02:39 PM polprog: yes and yes
02:48 PM rue_mohr: sweet, ok
02:49 PM rue_mohr: I was really surprised that withint that version they removed the other linker
03:32 PM polprog: they didnt wanna maintain two
03:33 PM polprog: and the new one generates a local script in the proj dir so if you need one i can just send one to you, for the bluepill
04:36 PM rue_mohr: I think I'm ok, it'll be an issue as I set more machiens up for stm32
04:36 PM rue_mohr: are you writing any good lirbaries?
04:39 PM Tom_L: how are you getting along with arm now?
04:41 PM rue_mohr: gunshy
04:42 PM rue_mohr: if I cant get them from china their not affordable
04:50 PM polprog: i hope ill have a moment spare, maybe ill write a library for some chip i have
05:53 PM rue_mohr: polprog,
05:56 PM rue_mohr: thus far, I have a 50Hz irq test, a hobby servo test, a hobby servo using a 4017 expander library, 74hc595 library, software i2c master (cause the code to use the hardware is INSANE) pcf8574 library, some higher level stuff for serial comms, and I was playing with the w5500
05:59 PM Tom_L: all for arm?
05:59 PM Tom_L: you've come a ways...
06:33 PM rue_shop1: gradually growing
07:13 PM Tom_L: have you abandoned avr?
07:14 PM Tom_L: other than printers...
07:47 PM rue_mohr: no
07:48 PM rue_mohr: I will as they get obsoleted with microchip screwups
07:48 PM rue_mohr: stm32 is good, but I need to get a lifetime supply now
07:48 PM rue_mohr: whats halarious
07:48 PM rue_mohr: truely,
07:49 PM rue_mohr: is that the super-cheap controllers that are comming up
07:49 PM rue_mohr: are 8051 based
07:49 PM rue_mohr: TECHNICALLY I cant hold a grudge against that core
07:50 PM rue_mohr: so, for low end stuff, I might go to 8051
07:50 PM rue_mohr: (hahahahahahahahhaha)
07:50 PM rue_mohr: "the new forwards is backwards"