#robotics Logs
Jan 22 2019
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01:56 AM rue_bed: its not just voices, as I'm going to sleep I can hear sound effects too
12:33 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest58322
05:15 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:43 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:07 PM alutard: This is probably a curveball but, Anyone here know what firmware I should get, for a Ramps 1.4 board, so it supports simultaneous 5 axis; AND, it supports Fusion360 CAM output gcode?
07:08 PM Tom_L: the fusion you may have to figure out on your own
07:08 PM Tom_L: find a post that comes close
07:09 PM alutard: I can always find a fix for it afterwards, but i need the ramps1.4 and 5axis (CNC) first
07:09 PM Tom_L: Grbl is for three axis machines. No rotation axes (yet) – just X, Y, and Z.
07:09 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/grbl/grbl/wiki
07:09 PM Tom_L: better look elsewhere
07:10 PM Tom_L: if you really need 5 axis
07:10 PM alutard: Well, yes, I "really" need 5 axis.
07:11 PM Tom_L: what's the application?
07:11 PM alutard: A small 50$ knockoff version of that 5 axis desktop cnc machine thingy.
07:11 PM Tom_L: i use linuxcnc
07:11 PM alutard: Well I can't devote an actual computer, it'll blow the budget
07:13 PM alutard: When I said fusion360/cnc/5axis support, I also meant the full shabang, with tool change, lathe operation. Did anyone bother making such firmware. o.o
07:18 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc will do all that
07:18 PM Tom_L: i'm afraid grbl won't
07:19 PM Tom_L: you will need simultaneous axis control with 5 axis and grbl can't do that
07:19 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc will but i don't know if fusion360 has a supporting post for it
07:19 PM Tom_L: i know it has a general post for linuxcnc
07:20 PM alutard: Soooo.... MPCNC_Fusion360_V10 for Fusion360 to enable marlin output; then get the abandoned 5-6 axis version of grbl?
07:21 PM alutard: It'd be nice if the Open Source community had standards or followed standards.
07:21 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with either really
07:21 PM Tom_L: them's the breaks
07:21 PM alutard: Neither am I, that's why I'm trying to avoid a waste of time.
07:21 PM Tom_L: it's open for you to write it :D
07:21 PM alutard: The last 500 times I tried open source trash it was waste of time.
07:22 PM Tom_L: i can assure you linuxcnc will do the job
07:22 PM Tom_L: grbl is for toys
07:22 PM alutard: I'd love to use a linuxcnc but I need to buy new hardware.
07:22 PM Tom_L: alot of times old hardware works great
07:22 PM Tom_L: it just depends on the pc latency
07:22 PM orlock: open source or free software?
07:22 PM orlock: BSD or GNU?
07:22 PM orlock: MIT or Apache?
07:23 PM orlock: alutard: it seems like the only thing holding you up is you?
07:23 PM alutard: how about Works or Doesn't work
07:23 PM Tom_L: "works" takes effort
07:23 PM alutard: Last trillion times I didn't need any effort to make any commercial stuff work :0
07:24 PM alutard: Heck I even pirate most commercial stuff.
07:24 PM alutard: And it works so good I feel guilty and buy it eventually
07:24 PM orlock: bithcing about open source being shit will not make us fix things for you
07:24 PM Tom_L: what commercial stuff?
07:24 PM alutard: Fix things for me? wh-
07:24 PM alutard: Commercial stuff like windows, or like video games, or printer simulation programs, or.. well a lot of other stuff i forgot but costed money
07:25 PM Tom_L: windows is shit for cnc
07:25 PM orlock: money can be exchanged for goods and services
07:25 PM alutard: technically, windows would be good for cnc with a buffer.
07:25 PM alutard: or with drivers, but windows drivers are a shark tank
07:26 PM Snert_: oh poo.
07:26 PM Snert_: poo on you.
07:26 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc works realtime
07:26 PM Tom_L: on a realtime version of linux
07:26 PM alutard: Yeah but how much does a machine that runs linux cost
07:26 PM alutard: more than 10$
07:26 PM Tom_L: i got one free
07:26 PM alutard: where the heck
07:27 PM orlock: rpi's are <$10, right?
07:27 PM Tom_L: if i told i'd have to shoot
07:27 PM Tom_L: orlock they're marginal to run linuxcnc
07:27 PM alutard: w-w-w--well my arduino mega was like 2$ and it came in a 10$ kit with multiple accessories and stuff
07:27 PM Tom_L: some have tried
07:27 PM Tom_L: well go have fun with it then
07:27 PM alutard: I'm trying
07:28 PM Tom_L: you just won't get 5 axis
07:28 PM alutard: But I'm also not finding "the open source man's journal" to figure out if someone's done this journey or not
07:28 PM alutard: As there's no real "open source google"
07:28 PM alutard: only a vast sea of a trillion abandoned open source projects
07:29 PM orlock: so you have modified your ramps board, and want it to have enhanced functionaliy it was not designed for
07:29 PM orlock: so
07:29 PM orlock: go add that?
07:30 PM alutard: Modified the board? Hell no I'm using the damn spare pins god damnit anyone listening to me
07:31 PM Tom_L: i'm quickly losing interest
07:31 PM orlock: i want to see your 5 axis CNC hardware thats sitting there ready to go
07:31 PM alutard: And I want to see the 5 axis cnc firmware that works on a ramps 1.4 so my cnc hardware is actually ready to go
07:31 PM Tom_L: i dare say even rue can't build a 5 axis for $10
07:32 PM orlock: alutard: Go write it if you want it?
07:32 PM Tom_L: i'm afraid you're going to have to write that yourself because it's not currently out there for an avr
07:32 PM alutard: And as I said 4 times in other channels you stalk me on, I'm trying to avoid the useless code typing if it's already been done?
07:32 PM orlock: stalking?
07:32 PM Tom_L: i'm not stalking anybody
07:32 PM alutard: If someone asks you for a GNU image manipulation, do you tell them gimp or tell them to code themselves a new one .-.
07:32 PM Tom_L: and i've not followed you anywhere
07:33 PM alutard: tom_l try to learn what context is
07:33 PM orlock: oh my god
07:33 PM orlock: i know this guy
07:33 PM orlock: i bet he spends his time on reddit
07:33 PM alutard: ew, reddit
07:33 PM Tom_L: bad news ehh?
07:33 PM orlock: nah just standard internet waste-of-time
07:33 PM alutard: kind of like you
07:34 PM Tom_L: me?
07:35 PM alutard: tom_l seriously?
07:37 PM Tom_L: have you built the hardware yet?
07:37 PM Tom_L: the actual cnc
07:37 PM Tom_L: ?
07:37 PM alutard: More or less yes
07:38 PM Tom_L: let's have a look
07:38 PM alutard: I need to make some metal parts out of scrap aluminum blocks
07:38 PM alutard: but that'll happen in 3 axis
07:38 PM alutard: so i can set up my 4th and 5th axies
07:38 PM alutard: but those are, well, non-issues
07:38 PM alutard: also, no, you may not look at my police badge, i'm here for firmware, not to be questioned
07:38 PM Tom_L: you want a cradle or the spindle to be the 4th & 5th axis?
07:38 PM alutard: cradle.
07:39 PM Tom_L: you get what you get here
07:39 PM Tom_L: i don't care if you're a police or not either btw
07:40 PM orlock: when i bought an arduino-based CNC board
07:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
07:40 PM orlock: and the software didnt exist to drive it from the command type i wanted to use
07:40 PM orlock: i wrote the software
07:40 PM Tom_L: that's my 3 axis design
07:40 PM orlock: and now i have what i wanted
07:41 PM orlock: https://www.insecam.org/en/view/749235/
07:41 PM orlock: SOme guys in Japan digging a hole
07:42 PM orlock: aww
07:42 PM orlock: it went offline
07:42 PM alutard: aw
07:42 PM alutard: i wanted to see it too
07:43 PM alutard: funny how those people don't even know their camera is insecure
07:43 PM orlock: or they dont care
07:44 PM orlock: i was looking at that one as it was a "Canon" brand device
07:44 PM orlock: the image quality wasnt as nice as i was hoping
07:45 PM alutard: canon have a lot of scam camera models
07:45 PM alutard: Advertise like 40 megapixels, then loosely mention it's a superpixel, then loosely explain it's 4x fake resolution, so it's 10megapixels; then loosely mention it's a raw "enhance" from a 2mp camera
07:45 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Mill1.jpg
07:45 PM Tom_L: there's the end result
07:47 PM orlock: theres some nice sensor+carrier boards being made now, quite cheap for what they are
07:47 PM orlock: Sony sensors, etc with USB support
07:47 PM orlock: and i have no fucking idea what you are talking about
07:48 PM orlock: the internet is like a bad echo chamber for some people
07:49 PM alutard: I'm talking about a nifty scam that camera companies do
07:49 PM alutard: I was looking for a cheap studio camera and boy oh boy was there a lot of scams and misleading marketting
08:21 PM rue_shop3: cnc?
08:21 PM alutard: cnc.
08:21 PM rue_shop3: you want to make or modify one?
08:21 PM alutard: Make.
08:21 PM alutard: got shitty hardware and it's managed by a ramps 1.4
08:21 PM rue_shop3: do you have a lab?
08:21 PM rue_shop3: ok,
08:22 PM rue_shop3: I use grbl on my cnc, but I use larger drivers
08:22 PM rue_shop3: how big a cnc?
08:22 PM alutard: A small one, it's based on those drill press / aluminum x/y tables.
08:22 PM alutard: I tested already with a single cutting operation by driving a simple nema17 300nm from my 3d printer
08:22 PM alutard: it's good enough
08:23 PM alutard: I also tried one of those small 5v can steppers and they were grossly insufficient.
08:24 PM alutard: I'm hellbent on using the Ramps 1.4 board with direct drive stepper motors, I just need to find, if exists ,a Fusion360 compatible 5 axis thing.
08:26 PM Tom_L: https://discuss.inventables.com/t/a-better-fusion360-grbl-postprocessor/27607
08:26 PM Tom_L: not 5
08:28 PM alutard: I don't mind the lack of a postprocessor tooooo much, I can just use a translation program
08:28 PM alutard: I'd LOVE it if it had one;
08:28 PM alutard: my main concern is whether or not the firmware is 5 axis compatible, at all
08:28 PM alutard: And with it, its control panel
08:28 PM Tom_L: http://www.5axismaker.com/autodesk-fusion-360/
08:29 PM alutard: That's just an existing machine
08:29 PM Tom_L: on a small machine like what i envision you making you will have a tiny work envelope
08:30 PM alutard: Hey, it'll make parts for itself in the coming weeks!
08:31 PM Tom_L: what material do you plan to cut?
08:32 PM alutard: Aluminum and softer, duh
08:32 PM alutard: for iron,steel i need a cast iron frame or i can forget it
08:32 PM Tom_L: even nema17 may be marginal for aluminum
08:32 PM alutard: unless I use an abrasive.
08:32 PM alutard: tom
08:32 PM alutard: i said i already made a single test cut with a nema17 direct drive 300nm
08:33 PM alutard: and that's with an low amp extruder motor driver
08:33 PM Tom_L: what type of drive?
08:33 PM Tom_L: screw?
08:33 PM alutard: yeah
08:33 PM alutard: not the fancy leadscrews
08:33 PM alutard: just some cheap freakin' threaded rod
08:33 PM Tom_L: lots of friction there
08:33 PM alutard: surprisingly not
08:33 PM Tom_L: i used ballscrews on mine
08:33 PM Tom_L: no comparison
08:33 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, how much do you overcut aluminum cutouts by?
08:33 PM Tom_L: i had a sherline before i made mine
08:34 PM Tom_L: rue_shop1 what do you mean?
08:34 PM alutard: wtf, sherline's a thing? NEver heard of it
08:34 PM Tom_L: i've had one for 2-3 decades
08:35 PM Tom_L: but it got parted out for the new one
08:35 PM alutard: Oh jesus they cost more than a fucking 2nd hand manual mill
08:35 PM alutard: No wonder I never ran into them
08:36 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIWKo-1HP3c
08:36 PM Tom_L: mine
08:37 PM alutard: Bit of a rat's nest, but it works.
08:37 PM Tom_L: i get little free time so i make the best of it
08:38 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&t=6s
08:38 PM Tom_L: there's the old sherline doing a tapping cycle
08:39 PM alutard: hey that's good!
08:39 PM alutard: awful noise on the spindle though
08:40 PM Tom_L: it's the motor probably
08:40 PM Tom_L: i forget
08:40 PM Tom_L: i have no sound on this pc
08:40 PM alutard: yeah sounds like bad bearings
08:40 PM Tom_L: no just noisy
08:41 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUDHCXu4Pwo
08:42 PM Tom_L: the new one can take some fairly hefty cuts for it's size
08:42 PM alutard: Most cnc machines have a weak link between the spindle and the table.
08:42 PM alutard: if you fix that....
08:43 PM alutard: then you can get pretty huge cuts
08:43 PM Tom_L: the spindle motor is the weak link here
08:43 PM Tom_L: it's the old sherline spindle
08:43 PM alutard: just strap in a huge industrial 3 phase motor there, ha ha .
08:43 PM Tom_L: i looked at some
08:43 PM Tom_L: haven't found what i want yet
08:44 PM alutard: proper spindles require watercooling and beefy power supplies
08:44 PM Tom_L: i want low end torque and most spindles are high speed and no torque at low speeds
08:44 PM alutard: You ever tried a 3 phase?
08:44 PM Tom_L: no
08:45 PM alutard: You'll need an ESC though
08:45 PM Tom_L: i know
08:45 PM alutard: there's ESC's that take 1 phase, and turn it into 3 phase, controlled, for a 3p motor
08:45 PM Tom_L: i worked in a shop so i'm familiar with what's out there
08:45 PM alutard: then they have low end and high end torque
08:45 PM alutard: it's pretty much what lathes use
08:45 PM orlock: hmm
08:45 PM orlock: https://www.insecam.org/en/view/394653/
08:46 PM alutard: oooooh, lab equipment
08:46 PM alutard: chinsy as hell, a gust of wind can wreck it though
08:46 PM alutard: wOnder what it's doing
08:48 PM orlock: holding some liquid under negative pressure for some reason
08:48 PM alutard: you can click on it to "enter" it and pan/zoom
08:48 PM alutard: kinda don't wanna fuck with it though ,seems important
08:49 PM alutard: don't wanna disturb some poor innocent soul's hard work
08:49 PM orlock: theres another camera thats monitoring current
08:49 PM alutard: so it's like some sorta electrolysis?
08:50 PM alutard: hmm, some mystical liquid in partial vacuum.. and electricity ran through it..
08:50 PM orlock: the bottle says something-OCTANE
08:50 PM alutard: you zoomed out
08:50 PM alutard: 4-octane
08:50 PM alutard: fuel additive
08:52 PM alutard: tho the label probably says more.
08:53 PM alutard: Couldn't easily find a google image of it
08:55 PM orlock: probably some drag racer
08:55 PM orlock: if was any real research lab their IT guys would hv that shit locked down
08:55 PM orlock: i'd hope
08:56 PM alutard: lol, real research labs are budget scraps
08:56 PM orlock: .. Nope, it's a uni.
08:56 PM rue_shop3: ok so
08:56 PM orlock: All depends where you are.
08:56 PM alutard: "expensive" research labs are bullshit marketting and stock market obesity
08:56 PM orlock: alutard: nah
08:57 PM rue_shop3: tom , if your profile cutting aluminum, how much would you overcut it by (depth)
08:58 PM rue_shop3: ok, so, a 3" cnc then?
08:59 PM orlock: alutard: i work at a biotech R&D/manufacturing site
08:59 PM alutard: do they give you creative freedom?
08:59 PM orlock: the science gets done
08:59 PM orlock: cancer sucks
08:59 PM orlock: etc
09:00 PM alutard: There's billions of types of cancer tho
09:00 PM alutard: the only way you can perfectly neutralize cancer is scan a cell's dna, and if it's different than healthy dna, elimiate
09:01 PM orlock: alutard: we make the machines that tell you what sort of cancer it is
09:01 PM alutard: ooh.
09:01 PM alutard: what if it's a new type of cancer, as cancer often is?
09:01 PM orlock: you mean undocumented?
09:01 PM rue_shop3: thats just great, but here, I dont see many doctors properly CHECKING for cancer in the first place
09:02 PM alutard: ^
09:02 PM orlock: thats why we have a shitload of scientists
09:02 PM alutard: My dad had pneumonia, and while he was choking to death, the 911 medics gave him "bad throat meds" and told him he just has a cold
09:03 PM alutard: sooooo then we walked to the hospital and the doctor said he has pneumonia, after an xray, and gave him proper antibiotics
09:03 PM orlock: must suck living somewhere with such substandard medical care
09:03 PM rue_shop3: ok, I have an STM32 and a air muscle
09:03 PM alutard: It's the UK. London.
09:03 PM rue_shop3: its pouring rain, I dont want to go to the house
09:04 PM rue_shop3: so alutard dd you see toms cnc?
09:04 PM alutard: ye
09:04 PM rue_shop3: ok did you see my cnc?
09:04 PM alutard: nop
09:04 PM alutard: showie
09:04 PM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc4/slide.htm
09:04 PM rue_shop3: do you ahve access to a 3d printer?
09:06 PM alutard: Ye
09:06 PM alutard: Also your project is cool as frick
09:06 PM rue_shop3: ok, my design worked a LOT better than I thought given the 3d printed parts
09:06 PM alutard: hey, sometimes plastic is good enough :D
09:07 PM rue_shop3: there's more than a few hundred hours on it, and everything is fine
09:07 PM rue_shop3: less the spindle motor, the bushing on it gave out
09:07 PM rue_shop3: no, not the brushes, the bushing
09:07 PM alutard: Huh, what happened to the - oh,
09:08 PM alutard: I was just about to ask, since the slideshow ends at a disassembled motor
09:08 PM rue_shop3: brushed motors are WAY cheaper than brushless, and are so much cheaper, that replacing them upon failure is just fine
09:08 PM alutard: I know right?
09:08 PM orlock: bushing.. not designed for the side loading?
09:08 PM alutard: bronze oilite bushings are horrible at sideloading
09:08 PM rue_shop3: :) !?!???
09:08 PM alutard: Unless manufactured just perfectly right.
09:09 PM alutard: My dad uses a makita 18v multitool, the vibrating thing
09:09 PM alutard: replaced 3 motors in 1 year, and running strong 2 years with a 2nd one
09:09 PM rue_shop3: it was so worn, that the armature drove itself into the magnets, while it was trying to stall, the speed regulator fed it more power till the armature burned up
09:09 PM alutard: that's so metal
09:09 PM rue_shop3: I'm using USED 9.6V drill motors
09:10 PM alutard: that's yer problem.
09:10 PM alutard: The bushings come dry and buggered
09:10 PM rue_shop3: I'm going to watch the next one and swap in bearings when its ready
09:10 PM alutard: doesn't seem to matter though looks like a quick and easy swap
09:10 PM rue_shop3: I WAS watching the brushes, not the bushing
09:10 PM rue_shop3: I expected to have to change them
09:10 PM orlock: rue: https://somepicturesof.space/IMG_2202.jpg
09:11 PM orlock: mount body is open so you can see the 3 axis CNC board in there
09:11 PM orlock: lense caps are on as i was taking calibration frames
09:12 PM rue_shop3: alutard, if you want any part of my design, ask!
09:12 PM alutard: Oh, I already absorbed in everything you had in the pictures, it's self-explanatory
09:12 PM rue_shop3: yea, but if you want the stls or whatever
09:13 PM alutard: Love the plastic anti backlash.
09:13 PM rue_shop3: I dont bother posting most of it unless someone asks
09:13 PM alutard: Eh, don't need any STL's. Can recreate them in fusion360 easily, to my own needs
09:13 PM alutard: I'm more capable than that, give me some credit :')
09:13 PM orlock: rue_shop3: whats the source of the smooth rods?
09:14 PM alutard: bought, i'd reckon, or scrapped out of some printer or something?
09:14 PM rue_shop3: no idea
09:14 PM rue_shop3: orlock, printers
09:14 PM alutard: hey, rue, how deep a cut can you do with your machine?
09:14 PM rue_shop3: the Y is curtin rod, but I dont recommend it
09:15 PM rue_shop3: I thought they would be good because of the mirror finish showing any flaws like a sour thumb
09:15 PM rue_shop3: but they aren't round
09:15 PM alutard: you can polish a turd, rue :D
09:15 PM rue_shop3: I cut aluminum at 0.2mm usually
09:15 PM alutard: Oh, right, your machine has linear rods, not rails.
09:16 PM alutard: if you machine yourself dovetails, even if aluminum, you can really deepen those cuts
09:16 PM alutard: ... as well as a stronger motor
09:16 PM rue_shop3: :) I have another machine in the queue
09:16 PM rue_shop3: look back a directory
09:16 PM alutard: Ooh
09:17 PM alutard: cnc5 ooooooh
09:17 PM rue_shop3: haha, thats not a lot of pics..
09:17 PM rue_shop3: so, from what you can see, its going to have a tapered spindle...
09:17 PM rue_shop3: :D
09:17 PM alutard: that's rusted to fuck
09:17 PM rue_shop3: that all comes off
09:17 PM alutard: but it's big and beefy!
09:17 PM rue_shop3: and hollow ;)
09:17 PM alutard: perfect for a spindle
09:18 PM alutard: just get some bearings ther.e
09:18 PM rue_shop3: BUT since then I got a drillpress thats got the right taper
09:18 PM rue_shop3: and an xy vise
09:18 PM alutard: You ever thought of making a small grinding station?
09:18 PM rue_shop3: no room!
09:18 PM alutard: You can modify one of your existing cnc's to allow it
09:18 PM alutard: All you need is a big abrasive disc, spinning at high RPM,
09:18 PM alutard: gently coasting atop of the metal as it spins on accurate, low load bearings
09:19 PM alutard: and a lot of vibration damping or the disc will dip into the material, scoring it rather than polishing
09:19 PM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1080531.jpg
09:19 PM rue_shop3: I'v borrowed this machine
09:19 PM alutard: awww you got a lathe!
09:20 PM orlock: rue_shop3: you buy or make the XY vise?
09:20 PM alutard: god, you have one of the original threaded rod repraps
09:21 PM rue_shop3: bought it, from what I can tell the seller accidently listed it for 1/10 its price
09:21 PM alutard: ahhahahha solderserver
09:21 PM orlock: ahahah nice :)
09:21 PM rue_shop3: I have 4 :)
09:21 PM orlock: i been using my drill press vise to crack nuts
09:21 PM orlock: :)
09:22 PM rue_shop3: alutard, you will prolly get lost in my site for a while
09:22 PM alutard: I'm going through pretty fast, nice 3d scanner
09:22 PM alutard: is that a giant 3d printed gear?
09:22 PM alutard: or it's metal from some large clock
09:23 PM rue_shop3: from a betamax player, I think
09:23 PM rue_shop3: or a reel-reel video that was older...
09:23 PM alutard: it looked pretty brassy and mass manufactured..
09:24 PM rue_shop3: nickel plated steel
09:25 PM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/inheritance.jpg ahahah I ahve that up, my buddy spend his inherritance on coke
09:25 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/audioswitch/images/build.jpg ...
09:25 PM alutard: your buddy lives dangerously
09:25 PM rue_shop3: they *just* put on a sale at the store and as the guy put the last pack on the display he said, "I'll take it all"
09:25 PM alutard: also coca cola doesn't ever go bad
09:25 PM alutard: hahahahahaha
09:26 PM rue_shop3: he made a fort out of it and slept in it for two nights
09:26 PM alutard: CNC1 had a very nice Y (bed) axis.
09:27 PM rue_shop3: apparently the guy at the store was kinda pissed that he just bought it all
09:27 PM rue_shop3: still running
09:27 PM rue_shop3: that was done in '97
09:27 PM alutard: Oh. My god. Dude. the Z axis chain
09:27 PM rue_shop3: its had a few upgrades
09:28 PM rue_shop3: lots of ideas for ya eh?
09:28 PM alutard: Not so much idea but
09:28 PM alutard: that's so fucking cool looking
09:28 PM alutard: i want to touch i*loses a finger*
09:28 PM rue_shop3: hahah
09:28 PM rue_shop3: not with that stepper
09:29 PM alutard: Weak point on the X axis and the gantry-to-Y.
09:29 PM alutard: I think you figured those out?
09:29 PM alutard: CNC2 has weak Y axis :(
09:29 PM alutard: and. weak gantry.
09:30 PM alutard: Why'd you even make a 2nd cnc machine
09:31 PM rue_shop1: it was a fail
09:31 PM rue_shop1: it was stripped down
09:31 PM alutard: i figured that much out
09:31 PM alutard: You went for some massive hardware with cnc3
09:31 PM alutard: that ever got finished or you got annoyed at the poor design of the Z axis :P
09:31 PM rue_shop1: it HAD been an improvement, but after I was able to weld I was just like, ....no...
09:32 PM rue_shop1: yea, another fail
09:32 PM alutard: oooh.. yeah... Your model2 lacked welding.
09:32 PM rue_shop1: the gantry wasn't going like I needed it to
09:32 PM rue_shop1: yea, when I did 2, I couldn't weld (no space)
09:32 PM alutard: And 4 was perfect in every way except spindle power
09:33 PM rue_shop1: I'm keeping the table from 3 tho!
09:33 PM rue_shop1: I have a LARGE BOX of stuff for 5
09:33 PM rue_shop1: and a peice of I beam by my foot
09:33 PM rue_shop1: and a big peice of channel outside
09:34 PM rue_shop1: I'm not really sure what shape its going to take
09:34 PM alutard: "Finisher".
09:34 PM alutard: Big vibration motor for tumbling stuff in rocks to polish itself :D
09:34 PM rue_shop1: but I'm also determined to make a 48x96" machine outside
09:34 PM rue_shop1: it makes a nice finish with the lava rock, but takes off lots of sharp edges at once on a lot of parts at once
09:35 PM rue_shop1: there is a youtube video of it going around
09:35 PM alutard: I can imagine :P
09:35 PM alutard: it ain't no UC though
09:35 PM rue_shop1: https://www.youtube.com/user/ruenahcmohr/videos
09:36 PM rue_shop1: :) you know, there aren't many people in the world who find this stuff interseting
09:36 PM orlock: Not that many that use IRC
09:37 PM rue_shop1: well thats dwindled a lot latley too
09:37 PM alutard: I fucking love all engineering stuff
09:37 PM alutard: I'll eat up your science points nomnomnom, and yes smart people are extinct
09:37 PM orlock: eh
09:37 PM orlock: there's about 500 people at this site
09:38 PM orlock: scientists and engineers
09:38 PM orlock: mechanical, electrical, chemical, etc
09:38 PM rue_shop1: is it twitter?
09:39 PM orlock: rue_shop1: no i mean physical site
09:39 PM rue_shop1: oh
09:39 PM alutard: Just got a telegram message that I've been unbanned from xanadu, because ban was wrong, because free speech. uuuh?
09:39 PM orlock: they are all employed designing and building very expensive robots
09:39 PM orlock: :)
09:39 PM rue_shop1: thats atleast twice the world population of them orlock
09:39 PM orlock: and this is only one site out of the.. dozen or so we have worldwide?
09:39 PM orlock: and this is only one subsiduary
09:39 PM orlock: of one company
09:40 PM alutard: the world is smaller than that
09:40 PM alutard: don't try it orlock
09:40 PM rue_shop1: well, it can also be pointed out that there are almost none doing it as a hobby
09:40 PM rue_shop1: thats who I'm looking for
09:41 PM rue_shop1: people doing it for fun, not work
09:41 PM rue_shop1: I want to see people passionate about tech
09:41 PM rue_shop1: like you and your scope
09:41 PM alutard: I'm passionate as fuck about tech th
09:41 PM orlock: FDA puts a damper on "Fun"
09:41 PM rue_shop1: aka, how much money has your scope made you from all of what you have put into it
09:41 PM rue_shop1: none? exactly, thats how we know its a passion
09:42 PM alutard: Can profit off passion tho.
09:42 PM rue_shop1: unconditional loveeee
09:42 PM orlock: found a weird stepper motor in the bin at work
09:42 PM orlock: Nema23
09:42 PM rue_shop1: 1 3d printer and 2 cnc running, god its noisy in here...
09:42 PM orlock: but it's twice as long as an average sized Nema23
09:43 PM orlock: made in Vietnam
09:43 PM rue_shop1: orlock, high torque, yes
09:43 PM orlock: i searched the part number - ONE hit on google
09:43 PM rue_shop1: heh
09:43 PM orlock: and it wasnt a datasheet
09:43 PM rue_shop1: on the bot site that makes stuff up?
09:43 PM orlock: it was for tracking shipping consignments
09:43 PM rue_shop1: ah
09:43 PM orlock: for an order from vietnam
09:43 PM rue_shop1: ok, I'm SUPPOSED to be working on a stm32 servo loop controller
09:44 PM rue_shop1: wtf jukebox queue is empty, THATS a crime...
09:44 PM alutard: it's crime time.
09:46 PM alutard: wtf's a heatplant
09:46 PM rue_shop1: :)
09:46 PM rue_shop1: boiler for hot water to heat the STUPID house and offset heating bills
09:47 PM alutard: I saw a lot of things
09:47 PM alutard: including a freaking steam engine boiler
09:47 PM alutard: and a lot of fans and motors and then it ended with ... ambiguous circuits
09:47 PM rue_shop1: I should set something up so I can 'tweet' togethor text for the folders
09:47 PM rue_shop1: heh
09:48 PM rue_shop1: its gone thru a lot of revisions
09:49 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/helpinghands/p1090570.jpg i see you got fascinated by a cool new way to strap thing stogether
09:50 PM rue_shop1: :) I needed something with more than 2 clips
09:51 PM alutard: Can always just solder some copper wire
09:51 PM rue_shop1: I need to make a big one for welding
09:51 PM rue_shop1: with a 24" reach that can hold like 30 lbs
09:51 PM alutard: 24" reach, wow.
09:51 PM rue_shop1: playing with ideas
09:51 PM alutard: I'd recommend one of those uh...
09:51 PM alutard: A design based on those dial indicator holders
09:51 PM rue_shop1: I'd like to do it with hydraulics, but cant quite round up the right ones
09:52 PM alutard: hollow tubes with push rods inside; a threaded nut pushes them out and friction lock balljoints
09:52 PM rue_shop1: yup
09:52 PM alutard: You wanted to hydraulicly actuate the rods?
09:52 PM rue_shop1: no, just freeze them
09:52 PM rue_shop1: aka, shutoff valves
09:52 PM rue_shop1: no pumps
09:52 PM alutard: oooooh.
09:53 PM alutard: oh i get it
09:53 PM alutard: but what about angles
09:53 PM rue_shop1: but you just gave me an idea
09:53 PM rue_shop1: the dial indicator arms dont need much movement, wax actuators might work
09:53 PM orlock: ah
09:53 PM orlock: i was just going to mention them
09:54 PM rue_shop1: thats what he said
09:54 PM rue_shop1: trying to focus
09:54 PM rue_shop1: the music is awefull loud to drown out the cnc machines...
09:54 PM rue_shop1: stm32
09:56 PM rue_shop1: oh thats right, I ported the flurry library to C so I could use it on the stm32
09:58 PM alutard: OMG WAX ACTUATORS
09:58 PM alutard: i forgot those things THEY'RE SO COOL
09:58 PM alutard: when you need buttload of torque in a butt fittable package
10:00 PM rue_shop1: so, what have you rounded up for making a cnc?
10:05 PM rue_shop1: hhahahahm, an error set one of my terminals into an italic font, and it wont snap out
10:19 PM dadada is now known as Guest16655
10:22 PM orlock: i think i might buy one of these next payday - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Low-light-USB-camera-no-lens-H-264-2-0Megapixel-Sony-IMX322-mini-45-45-50mm/32922863172.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.151.38f43ebc0c58qt&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10130_10890_10547_319_10546_10548_317_10696_453_10084_454_10083_433_10618_431_10307_537_536_10131_10132_10133_10059_10884_10887_100031_321_322_10103-10890,searchweb201603_54,ppcSwitch_0&algo_e
10:23 PM alutard: why would yiu buy a 2MP camera for 50 dollars wtf is wrng with you
10:24 PM alutard: rue_shop1: what the fuck is this http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/mecha1/p1080051.jpg
10:24 PM orlock: You are assuming my use cases
10:24 PM alutard: dude it's a 50 dollar 2MP camera
10:24 PM alutard: you can get a freaking gopro for 50 dollars
10:25 PM alutard: with more resolution and features and usb and so much more
10:25 PM orlock: I'm buying a Sony IMX322 sensor with a CS lense mount
10:25 PM alutard: Yes and I still don't see how that's worth 50 dollars
10:27 PM orlock: i could get one cheaper - but in this case, the case is worth it
10:27 PM alutard: the case.
10:27 PM orlock: Sensitivity and sensor size
10:28 PM alutard: *shake head*
10:28 PM rue_shop3: its a free site, I keep it prudent
10:28 PM rue_shop3: its mecha art
10:28 PM alutard: It's got CHICKEN LEGSSS
10:28 PM rue_shop3: yea
10:28 PM rue_shop3: its a 1980 inverted chicken mecha
10:28 PM orlock: alutard: Resolution isnt everything. Noise, sensitivity, pixel size all come into it as well
10:28 PM rue_shop3: its based on the acestors of the mecha you see today
10:29 PM alutard: orlock: unless you wobble the lens and get a greater resolution that way, 2mp is useless
10:29 PM alutard: first you start with pixels, then they must be quality pixels.
10:30 PM alutard: you need data, accurate data. lots of it
10:30 PM orlock: .....
10:30 PM orlock: Actually, as i said
10:30 PM orlock: for my needs
10:30 PM alutard: if you can work with 2mp the 50$ is a wasteeee waaaa
10:30 PM orlock: resolution is notthat important
10:30 PM alutard: you're hurting my braiinn
10:31 PM orlock: i could probably do with 1.3mp
10:31 PM rue_shop3: lens quality is a big thing
10:31 PM orlock: this is purely for input for a control system feedback loop
10:31 PM rue_shop3: most super resolution new cameras have crap lenses
10:32 PM orlock: alutard: https://somepicturesof.space/IMG_2202.jpg
10:32 PM orlock: rue_shop3: ANd i just happen to have a high end CS mount lense sitting around doing not much
10:32 PM orlock: amongst other things
10:33 PM alutard: You can get a cs screw and freakin' superglue it to any camera
10:33 PM orlock: alutard: Two sensors, two lenses. One's a still snesor capable of doing extended duration exposures
10:33 PM alutard: you can superglie the freakin' lens itself.
10:33 PM alutard: I give up you win x_X
10:34 PM orlock: alutard:Ok, find me this mythical dirt-cheap webcam with a 1/3" sony sensor?
10:34 PM alutard: grumble grumble
10:34 PM orlock: alutard: One sensor does the actual imaging, the webcam sensor is used for continuous tracking feedback
10:34 PM orlock: to compnsate for any mechanical issues
10:34 PM rue_shop1: :S I have no idea where one of the stm32 packages came from
10:34 PM alutard: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/fpv-mini-swallow-600tvl-black.html?countrycode=GB&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm5viBRD4ARIsADGUT25QtFNPLHt5We_h8pNxmxAfjFm1kEyQRr_I4vtmEUswLdJGuipODscaApmUEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&___store=en_us
10:35 PM alutard: Does this count?
10:35 PM alutard: You said 1/3 sony sensor
10:35 PM orlock: alutard: Name the top 3 fancy camera brands you know of?
10:35 PM Tom_L: rue_shop1, what were you asking me about machining allowance earlier?
10:35 PM alutard: uh, canon, sony and uh there was a third cant
10:35 PM rue_shop1: panasonic
10:35 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, I tried
10:35 PM orlock: alutard: i mean fancy camera brands
10:35 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, if your milling out a profile, what overcut would you use
10:35 PM alutard: nikon*
10:35 PM alutard: Fancy camera brands?
10:35 PM Tom_L: for a finish pass?
10:36 PM rue_shop1: overcut thru the material
10:36 PM Tom_L: oh
10:36 PM Tom_L: depth?
10:36 PM rue_shop1: yes
10:36 PM Tom_L: it depends
10:36 PM Tom_L: if i know it's flat i may do .002-.003"
10:36 PM rue_shop1: well, .1mm .15mm is pushing out the foil on the back
10:36 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:36 PM Tom_L: there's that
10:36 PM rue_shop1: hmm
10:37 PM Tom_L: i got pissed on one and went something like .010
10:37 PM orlock: thats an analog camera?
10:37 PM Tom_L: but shaving the plate first helps
10:37 PM rue_shop1: root@freebee6:/files/programming/c/avr/atmega328/ADCTerminal# units 0.01inch mm
10:37 PM rue_shop1: * 0.254
10:37 PM rue_shop1: hmmm
10:37 PM orlock: PAL/NTSC hah
10:37 PM Tom_L: the sacrificial plate
10:37 PM rue_shop1: yea
10:38 PM orlock: alutard: i actually have one of those on the bench to try, i bought a cheap USB convertor cable for it even
10:38 PM orlock: as it's a Sony CCD sensor
10:38 PM orlock: mono
10:38 PM alutard: t-then go try!
10:38 PM Tom_L: and if it's flat against the plate, the thin film won't have anywhere to go but out with the chips
10:38 PM orlock: actually, here it is
10:38 PM orlock: https://en.crypt.net.au/
10:38 PM alutard: You can easily jurry rig the big fancy lens onto it.
10:38 PM rue_shop1: ah libopencm3
10:39 PM Tom_L: just depends how much you prize your sacrificial plate...
10:39 PM rue_shop1: yay, debian has no idea
10:39 PM rue_shop1: its a peice of wood
10:39 PM rue_shop1: (milled flat)
10:39 PM Tom_L: aarg
10:39 PM rue_shop1: haha
10:39 PM alutard: rue_shop1: nice trike
10:39 PM Tom_L: same applies but humidity comes into play
10:39 PM Tom_L: and warpage etc
10:40 PM rue_shop3: alutard, WAY too heavy
10:40 PM rue_shop3: Tom_L, but woodscrews to hold down the work, YAY!
10:40 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/exactly_what_your_looking_for/right_in_here.txt
10:40 PM alutard: What the frick is this
10:40 PM rue_shop3: hahaha
10:40 PM Tom_L: should work
10:40 PM alutard: D:
10:40 PM orlock: alutard: ok, name some fancy _german_ camera/optics companies
10:40 PM Tom_L: i see you found rue
10:40 PM rue_shop3: oh crap
10:40 PM rue_shop3: alutard, I need to update that address
10:41 PM alutard: german? I don't know the manufacturer origins
10:41 PM rue_shop3: thats Ooooold
10:41 PM rue_shop3: they deleted that account like twice
10:41 PM alutard: why am i being quized on german engineering
10:41 PM alutard: aw, rue, why d they kill your email, TWICE?!
10:41 PM Tom_L: it's just what we do
10:41 PM rue_shop3: I had an email reply from the crocodile hunter :(
10:41 PM alutard: :(
10:41 PM Tom_L: if you say something we say prove it..
10:41 PM alutard: did you save a copy/
10:41 PM rue_shop3: no
10:41 PM alutard: D:
10:41 PM rue_shop3: microsoft deleted it
10:42 PM alutard: :(
10:42 PM alutard: :'(
10:42 PM Tom_L: deleted what?
10:42 PM alutard: poor rue.
10:42 PM alutard: poor, poor rue.
10:42 PM rue_shop3: its among a long list of things microsoft has caused me to lose
10:42 PM alutard: your inner child lost a limb.
10:42 PM rue_shop3: Tom_L, an email from the crocodile hunter
10:42 PM Tom_L: oh
10:42 PM Tom_L: his kids are all grown up now
10:42 PM rue_shop3: you know, before he got accidently impaled by a sting ray
10:43 PM rue_shop3: poor thing
10:43 PM Tom_L: those aussies are all kinda nuts
10:43 PM alutard: he was a good aussie
10:43 PM alutard: wanted to show the world
10:43 PM * Tom_L looks at orlock
10:43 PM alutard: show courage and confidence!
10:43 PM alutard: >:C
10:43 PM alutard: be alive little life
10:43 PM rue_shop3: where the hell do I let libopencm3
10:44 PM rue_shop3: alutard, I should take a new pic of the mecha
10:44 PM rue_shop3: its got rockets, and lights
10:44 PM rue_shop3: it lives under a tree at the front of the yard
10:44 PM rue_shop3: kinda poking out under the branches
10:44 PM alutard: oh fuckin' sweet
10:44 PM Tom_L: keeps nosy neighbors away
10:44 PM alutard: give it a can opener
10:44 PM alutard: and a bottle opener
10:44 PM rue_shop3: I put aircraft pattern lights on it
10:44 PM orlock: peter brock and steve irwin both got killed by the same thing
10:45 PM alutard: call him Partybot
10:45 PM orlock: during the same week
10:45 PM rue_shop3: w/landing
10:45 PM orlock: but only aussies remember Brock
10:45 PM rue_shop3: who was peter brock?
10:45 PM alutard: also, http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/crikey-look-at-the-size-of-that-croc-meme.jpg
10:45 PM alutard: rue_shop3: check my funny, and would you update your magic text file with the newest cont
10:46 PM rue_shop3: I'm here you dont have to worry about emailing me
10:46 PM rue_shop3: google for rue_mohr
10:46 PM rue_shop3: most of the results are me
10:46 PM alutard: aw boo
10:46 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/art/p1020718.jpg
10:46 PM rue_shop3: about 99.95% of them actaully
10:47 PM rue_shop3: cats eh?
10:47 PM alutard: rue
10:47 PM alutard: rue.
10:47 PM alutard: we need to talk
10:47 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/art/p1040726.jpg
10:47 PM rue_shop3: alutard, alutard we are
10:47 PM alutard: gOd damn it rue
10:47 PM rue_shop3: heh
10:47 PM Tom_L: he probably ate it after the pic
10:48 PM Tom_L: has he found the pet rock?
10:48 PM rue_shop3: I'm gonna be intersted to see what you say about the title page on the site when you think to go see it
10:48 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/art/parameters.png oh, wow, that's a good one
10:48 PM rue_shop3: it started with coat of arms
10:48 PM alutard: jesus fuck that's so old timey i love it
10:48 PM rue_shop3: I suddently broke into laughter in the middle of a physics class
10:48 PM alutard: add static film grain
10:48 PM rue_shop3: working on it
10:48 PM alutard: ADD IT NAO
10:49 PM rue_shop3: er, no.
10:49 PM orlock: rue_shop3: brock was a famous aussie race car driver
10:49 PM alutard: a transparent gif overlay tiled should work
10:49 PM orlock: rue_shop3: Killed by a fishtail....
10:49 PM rue_shop3: stingray?
10:49 PM orlock: nah
10:49 PM orlock: sideways into a tree
10:49 PM rue_shop3: aaah, huh.
10:49 PM rue_shop3: fishtail, cute...
10:50 PM Tom_L: like james dean
10:50 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/art/wokeup.png ahahahahahah
10:50 PM rue_shop3: well, both of them knew it could happen
10:50 PM alutard: rue you're precious
10:50 PM rue_shop3: glad your lovin it :)
10:50 PM alutard: i was compelled to save wolfjar.
10:51 PM rue_shop3: I was on an art thing for a while
10:51 PM rue_shop3: you know, if your good, you have an infinite source of porn!
10:51 PM alutard: ew porn
10:51 PM alutard: i'll stay bad
10:52 PM rue_shop1: so there must be an opencm3 thing here soemwhere
10:53 PM rue_shop1: ah, it WAS a git download
10:55 PM alutard: Hey, rue, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttVCbTrDLw
10:55 PM rue_shop1: nothing like a good robot
10:55 PM rue_shop1: lova co-ordinated motion control
10:56 PM alutard: why are you so funny
10:56 PM rue_shop1: hmmm
10:56 PM alutard: and adding dodgy file names
10:58 PM alutard: love the dodgy uranium file.
10:58 PM alutard: a terrorist can't tie their shoelaces, let alone pull tHAT off
10:58 PM rue_shop1: heh
10:58 PM rue_shop1: nuclear bomb eh?
10:58 PM rue_shop1: its hard to find a good suitable hoover anymore
10:59 PM orlock: eh, this is... "cute"
10:59 PM orlock: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HERCULES-2-5-Altazimuth-Telescope-Mount-with-Fine-Adjustment/32952226799.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000023.2.47563cddss3Ev9
11:00 PM rue_shop1: er, little course isn't it?
11:00 PM orlock: it's not something i'd use
11:01 PM orlock: i'm actually a bit unsure of it's purpose
11:01 PM rue_shop1: huh, the big one has no teeth
11:02 PM orlock: ahh, i see - there's also a counterweight, and the OTA hangs off the side
11:02 PM alutard: "rockers" OH FOR FUCKS
11:02 PM orlock: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1u_4UXFzsK1Rjy1Xbq6xOaFXap.jpg
11:03 PM alutard: rue_shop1: your mascot hella cool
11:03 PM rue_shop3: hah
11:03 PM rue_shop3: submit a rocker
11:03 PM alutard: I have a few rockers myself but they're camera shy
11:03 PM rue_shop1: its a test
11:04 PM rue_shop1: to see if you can really do things
11:04 PM rue_shop1: all you need to do to prove your usefull is get a rock, put eyes on it, and post the iamge
11:05 PM alutard: but
11:05 PM alutard: i have a gluestickr
11:05 PM alutard: " There are no spelling erors in this, my room is declared as a seperete country in wich the rules of spelling are difrent. I don't take responceability for you getting in trouble for taking apart other peoples computers for partz. I do make mistakes, and if there is one in a schematic i have provided you have my permission to write me a mean letter. " funyn guy
11:05 PM rue_shop1: :)
11:05 PM rue_shop1: "member of planet earth, currently."
11:06 PM alutard: https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArvaUHpX36bln2JZuCiWQRZnR8RG
11:06 PM alutard: For anyone that looks around my room too much
11:07 PM rue_shop1: :)
11:08 PM orlock: alutard: https://somepicturesof.space/ - look at the first 3 images
11:09 PM orlock: alutard: each is a single 10 minute exposure
11:09 PM orlock: first one has the webcam used for guiding
11:10 PM rue_shop1: :S libopencm3 changed
11:12 PM alutard: very pretty.
11:12 PM alutard: Looks a bit noisy tho
11:13 PM alutard: hey rue what you think of gluesticklr
11:13 PM rue_shop1: cute, verry voodoo
11:14 PM orlock: alutard: Single exposure, no flattening or noise reduction or anything
11:14 PM alutard: as i said, very pretty ):
11:14 PM alutard: and a lot of quantum physics wouldn't exist without equipment like yours
11:14 PM orlock: alutard: To take a good astro photo you also need to take a pile of pictures with the lense cap on
11:15 PM alutard: yeah yeah for noise sampling and reduction
11:15 PM alutard: make a shutter
11:15 PM orlock: and a pile more while pointing at an evenly lit flat white surface
11:15 PM alutard: and a servo operated mirror
11:15 PM alutard: that automatically points at the evenly lit flat white surface
11:15 PM orlock: the camera has all of those features
11:15 PM alutard: gah
11:16 PM alutard: i need me one of them
11:16 PM orlock: another mirror is just introducine unwanted crap
11:16 PM alutard: i buy it for two potato?
11:16 PM alutard: oh, brainfart
11:16 PM alutard: i meant a lcd panel
11:16 PM alutard: not mirror
11:16 PM alutard: just a flat lit lcd panel
11:16 PM alutard: led****
11:16 PM alutard: omg
11:16 PM alutard: i need sleep
11:17 PM alutard: rue_shop1: you have so much fucking scrap do you use it for anything
11:18 PM alutard: does anyone walk into your shop and order something ;-;
11:18 PM orlock: alutard: yeah thats what i usually do, it's not ideal, i got something thats very very flatly lit now
11:19 PM alutard: oh, what is it?
11:19 PM orlock: kids tracing board
11:19 PM orlock: it's translucent perspex with a diffuser and LED matrix behind it
11:21 PM orlock: https://somepicturesof.space/EtaCarHDR-21-03-2018.png is nice, but slightly out of focus
11:21 PM orlock: intentionally
11:21 PM orlock: its an old camera lense from the film days
11:22 PM alutard: ...
11:22 PM orlock: so it doesnt focus some of the near-IR to the same plane, means that you end up with red rings
11:22 PM alutard: all of that used to be one thing in the long long past.
11:22 PM orlock: so i defocused it slightly to eliminat the near-IR halo
11:22 PM orlock: i'm usnig a camera lense from the 70's
11:23 PM alutard: rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/template/old/main.html HA f:/ drive!
11:23 PM orlock: https://somepicturesof.space/rho-oph_by_ozzzy.png is a nice picture but you can see the red tinge
11:23 PM alutard: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/template/template/oops.jpg
11:24 PM alutard: that is a lot of red tinge
11:24 PM alutard: go put a near IR filter
11:25 PM orlock: nah, i'll get a reflecting-type astrograph one day
11:26 PM orlock: reflectors do not cause chroatic abberation
11:26 PM orlock: as newton famously proved
11:26 PM alutard: the science of taking near-useless space photos
11:27 PM rue_shop1: their good
11:27 PM rue_shop1: I'v not tried that stereo set yet
11:28 PM alutard: how do you feel about dying and someone else doing exactly the same thing you did
11:28 PM rue_shop1: no, I'm converting to a electromechanical platform
11:28 PM rue_shop1: gonna hang around for the light from the supernova
11:29 PM rue_shop1: orlock, hey, you know the star that went supernova?
11:29 PM rue_shop1: its light is about 8k -10k years away?
11:29 PM rue_shop1: yes? no?
11:29 PM alutard: this guy wants to become immortal via cyber
11:29 PM rue_shop1: no, I just need 8-10k
11:29 PM rue_shop1: orlock, ?
11:29 PM alutard: ... to be blasted by a supernova?
11:30 PM rue_shop1: cause I forgot which star it was
11:30 PM rue_shop1: I mean, I got lots of time to work it out
11:30 PM alutard: why do you want to be supernova'd
11:30 PM alutard: you goober
11:30 PM rue_shop1: no, no
11:30 PM rue_shop1: the star already went supernova
11:30 PM rue_shop1: we wont see if happen for another 8000-10000 yeras
11:30 PM alutard: why do you want to see it
11:30 PM alutard: :0
11:31 PM rue_shop1: cause thats coool
11:31 PM alutard: it's just light
11:31 PM alutard: and hot*
11:31 PM rue_shop1: no, its the last light of a dieing star
11:32 PM alutard: of which there's plenty!
11:32 PM rue_shop1: no
11:32 PM alutard: >:l
11:32 PM rue_shop1: the *next* one is 8000-10000 years out
11:32 PM alutard: There's probably a sooner one..
11:32 PM rue_shop1: its like
11:32 PM rue_shop1: if you work out the population density of the universe
11:32 PM rue_shop1: its 0
11:33 PM alutard: percentages mean nothing in the grand scale of things.
11:34 PM alutard: hey rue
11:34 PM alutard: I wonder
11:34 PM alutard: you got a wife?
11:34 PM rue_shop1: no
11:34 PM alutard: aw.
11:34 PM alutard: You too smart for any of em?
11:34 PM rue_shop1: I'm destined to be alone for ~9000 years
11:34 PM alutard: youdontwantawifeyouwantsupernova
11:35 PM rue_shop1: hahaha
11:35 PM rue_shop1: I gave up
11:35 PM rue_shop1: I searched the planet
11:35 PM rue_shop1: nobody
11:35 PM rue_shop1: so screw it
11:35 PM alutard: you can pretend i'm a wife
11:35 PM rue_shop1: alone, its been a pretty solatary walk so far
11:35 PM alutard: go try the game changed.
11:35 PM rue_shop1: only road that I have ever known
11:36 PM alutard: any real reason tho?
11:36 PM rue_shop1: you know how often I hear the word "what?"
11:36 PM alutard: very, because it's retarded
11:37 PM alutard: used by retards
11:37 PM rue_shop1: dunno where this road goes, but its only me and I walk alone....
11:37 PM alutard: you explain some engineering stuff, they "what" at you and block out everything you said thus far
11:37 PM alutard: amiright
11:37 PM rue_shop1: lots of people say all they hear from me is blah blah blah
11:37 PM rue_shop1: but I got my shadow, it walks beside me
11:37 PM alutard: i'm a fox, and i hear all you say
11:38 PM alutard: ^owo^
11:38 PM rue_shop1: :)
11:38 PM alutard: seriously try me
11:38 PM alutard: make me what
11:39 PM rue_shop1: its ok, I'm tyring to work out libopencm3
11:39 PM rue_shop1: they changed stuff damnit
11:39 PM alutard: The libopencm3 project aims to create an open-source firmware library for various ARM Cortex-M microcontrollers.
11:39 PM alutard: Open source
11:39 PM alutard: there's your problem
11:40 PM rue_shop1: the other version works
11:40 PM rue_shop1: but they changed stuff, and ... grrr
11:40 PM alutard: Welcome to why opensource is bad
11:40 PM alutard: 0 compatibility
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11:41 PM alutard: does it atleast report what's the error?
11:41 PM rue_shop1: I'm sure its simple
11:41 PM rue_shop1: once I can get an led blinking I should be on my way
11:42 PM alutard: does.. it report an error?
11:42 PM alutard: I wanna help you out.
11:42 PM rue_shop1: the linker speaks a new part number language
11:42 PM alutard: show me some
11:43 PM rue_shop1: I have a STM32F103C8T6
11:43 PM rue_shop1: I dont know what they call it now
11:43 PM rue_shop1: and I dont know how to ask the linker
11:44 PM alutard: "toolchain" ouch
11:45 PM rue_shop1: I had a hell of a time getting this working last time
11:45 PM rue_shop1: its at the stage avr was back in 2002
11:45 PM alutard: can you show me the error you get when you try to use it as is?
11:46 PM rue_shop1: Makefile.linker:65: *** unknown device stm32f103c8t6 for the linker. Cannot generate ldscript. Stop.
11:46 PM alutard: thank
11:46 PM alutard: *fix*
11:46 PM rue_shop1: LDSCRIPT=$(DEVICE).ld
11:46 PM rue_shop1: ...
11:47 PM alutard: ye? you found somethin'?
11:47 PM rue_shop1: just a lead
11:48 PM alutard: Looks like your board is simply not supported
11:48 PM alutard: lul
11:48 PM rue_shop1: LD_PARAMS=$(shell awk -v PAT="$(DEVICE)" -f $(SRCLIBDIR)/scripts/genlink.awk $(SRCLIBDIR)/ld/devices.data 2>/dev/null)
11:48 PM rue_shop1: it is
11:48 PM rue_shop1: they just changed the name
11:49 PM alutard: stm32f103 .. x8 xb xc xd xe
11:49 PM alutard: These are the only supported boards
11:49 PM rue_shop1: x8
11:49 PM alutard: stm32f103x8
11:50 PM alutard: now say "yay it works!"
11:51 PM rue_shop1: that lines commented out in the makefile
11:51 PM rue_shop1: usr/lib/arm/ld/Makefile.linker:65: *** unknown device stm32f103x8 for the linker. Cannot generate ldscript. Stop.
11:52 PM rue_shop1: stm32f103?8* stm32f1 ROM=64K RAM=20K
11:52 PM rue_shop1: it should have matched that
11:52 PM alutard: told you're not supporteeeeed
11:52 PM rue_shop1: it is
11:52 PM alutard: :(
11:52 PM rue_shop1: THATS the line that should do it
11:52 PM rue_shop1: ... unless
11:52 PM alutard: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/stm32/f1/stm32f103x8.ld
11:52 PM rue_shop1: what do you think the odds are I added it
11:52 PM alutard: This is your file tho
11:53 PM rue_shop1: stm32f103?8* stm32f1 ROM=64K RAM=20K
11:53 PM alutard: get a copy of the old version?
11:53 PM alutard: that is possibly not modified?
11:53 PM alutard: to find out?
11:55 PM rue_shop1: oh oh oho hohohohohoh
11:55 PM rue_shop1: ohohohoh I remember!!!!
11:55 PM rue_shop1: I REMEMBER!!!!!
11:55 PM rue_shop1: THIS IS HALARIOUS
11:55 PM alutard: what is it : O?
11:55 PM alutard: you had to build the libopencm3 first?
11:55 PM rue_shop1: wait wait
11:56 PM rue_shop1: LD_PARAMS=$(shell awk -v PAT="$(DEVICE)" -f $(SRCLIBDIR)/scripts/genlink.awk $(SRCLIBDIR)/ld/devices.data 2>/dev/null)
11:56 PM rue_shop1: AWK
11:56 PM rue_shop1: its a problem with the default awk interpreter
11:56 PM rue_shop1: !!!!!
11:56 PM alutard: what exactly is it's problem ;po
11:56 PM alutard: ;o
11:56 PM rue_shop1: I either installed a different one, or changed a script
11:56 PM rue_shop1: I remember this
11:56 PM rue_shop1: it cant parse that device list properly
11:57 PM alutard: sooo..
11:57 PM alutard: another reason why opensource sucks?
11:57 PM rue_shop1: well who the hell uses awk!?
11:57 PM alutard: why is it included then
11:57 PM alutard: am i asking too many questions :v ?
11:58 PM rue_shop1: zippo:/usr/lib/arm/ld# awk -V
11:58 PM rue_shop1: GNU Awk 4.1.4, API: 1.1 (GNU MPFR 3.1.5, GNU MP 6.1.2)
11:58 PM rue_shop1: (working)
11:58 PM rue_shop1: root@freebee6:/usr/lib/arm/ld# awk --version
11:58 PM rue_shop1: GNU Awk 4.1.4, API: 1.1 (GNU MPFR 3.1.5, GNU MP 6.1.2)
11:58 PM rue_shop1: not working
11:58 PM rue_shop1: damn I must have changed the awk script
11:58 PM rue_shop1: LD_PARAMS=$(shell awk -v PAT="$(DEVICE)" -f $(SRCLIBDIR)/scripts/genlink.awk $(SRCLIBDIR)/ld/devices.data 2>/dev/null)
11:59 PM rue_shop1: genlink.awk
11:59 PM rue_shop1: !
11:59 PM rue_shop1: they removed it
11:59 PM rue_shop1: I bet I know why