#robotics Logs
Jan 13 2019
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12:07 AM rue_shop1: veverak, ok, I got kicad installed
12:11 AM rue_shop1: its 10pm
12:11 AM rue_shop1: I been up since 1:20am, I dont know how much longer the drugs will last
12:11 AM rue_shop1: its 5.0.2
12:25 AM zhanx: rue_shop1, printing at .05 is slow but wow
12:26 AM zhanx: its not "seemless" but looks great
12:32 AM rue_shop3: :)
12:32 AM rue_shop3: veverak, ..
12:37 AM rue_shop1: your alone dude
12:37 AM rue_shop3: zhanx, is here...
12:37 AM rue_shop3: etch one
12:37 AM zhanx: i am
12:38 AM rue_shop1: but I want to use the router
12:38 AM rue_shop1: zhanx, ever used kicad?
12:38 AM * rue_shop1 spins on his chair
12:38 AM rue_shop3: ok, see if the new plotter setup works then
12:41 AM zhanx: found a bug in slic3r
12:41 AM rue_shop1: yea, if the slice width goes colinear with a plane it crashes
12:42 AM rue_shop1: thats why I slice at .21537
12:42 AM rue_shop1: every time it crashes I add another random digit
12:42 AM zhanx: LOH on reprap is the coder fyi
12:43 AM zhanx: #reprap
12:47 AM rue_shop1: "its a feature"
01:47 AM rue_shop3: ok, I designed a new board
01:47 AM rue_shop3: see if my plotter still works
01:47 AM rue_shop3: 11:45pm, maybe I should have some supper
01:57 AM rue_shop1: mkay, how does this plotter work...
01:57 AM rue_shop1: this machine...
02:01 AM rue_shop1: ok, found the script
02:15 AM rue_shop1: hahaha the pcb computer just died
02:55 AM veverak: heh :)
03:10 AM rue_shop1: ok wasted time changing 8 capacitors
03:17 AM rue_mohr: its an e-machine, so I have to change the whole thing now, its a special small supply
04:45 AM rue_shop3: I dont know if I have any etchant thats any good
10:10 AM veverak: rue_shop3: you use readline a lot no?
10:10 AM veverak: any tips how to easily implement tab completion with multiple-words keywords?
10:11 AM veverak: I have tree of strings that represents commands
10:11 AM veverak: thing is, the completion function gets only 'last word' as argument
10:11 AM veverak: but the list of completion candidates tdepends on all the words :/
10:20 AM veverak: oh
10:20 AM veverak: I see
10:20 AM veverak: rl_completer_word_break_characters
10:20 AM veverak: if I give this proper chars I should get entire line I htink
10:20 AM veverak: *think
10:20 AM Tom_L: what language?
10:20 AM veverak: C++
10:20 AM veverak: so, C
10:20 AM veverak: as it's a C library
10:20 AM veverak: :)
10:21 AM Tom_L: wrote my own readline
10:22 AM Tom_L: for pascal type language
10:22 AM veverak: lol, nope
10:22 AM veverak: too many shit to solve when it has been solved allready
10:22 AM veverak: and not the kind of shit I enjoy to solve particullary
10:23 AM Tom_L: recently had to scan and replace certain characters in a string to suit java
10:24 AM Tom_L: so it would read the actual character wanted
11:28 AM rue_bed: veverak, I'v used readline
11:29 AM rue_bed: veverak, I got kicad 5 installed
12:34 PM veverak: nice
12:36 PM rue_mohr: veverak, I wanted to do a pcb with ya last night, but your not up yet
12:36 PM rue_mohr: your just about done for the day, right?
12:37 PM Tom_L: do you still use eagle?
12:37 PM Tom_L: or did you ever
12:38 PM rue_mohr: I used my old dos program
12:38 PM Tom_L: i see kat popped in
12:38 PM veverak: rue_mohr: eating just now
12:38 PM veverak: and I was off last night more or less :)
12:38 PM rue_mohr: I'd like veverak to walk me thru kicad
12:38 PM rue_mohr: your at work now?
12:38 PM veverak: nope, got free time after the meal
12:39 PM rue_mohr: oh hmm
12:39 PM rue_mohr: maybe we could make a .... uh....
12:39 PM rue_mohr: 555....
12:39 PM rue_mohr: use the simple circuit...
12:39 PM veverak: hmm
12:39 PM rue_mohr: hmmmm
12:39 PM veverak: tbh not sure I will be better at that than tutorials
12:40 PM rue_mohr: 4, 8 to + 1 to ground, cap from 1, to 2, resistor from 3 to 2, 6 to 7?
12:40 PM rue_mohr: veverak, show me the way you do it
12:40 PM Tom_L: dead bug it
12:40 PM rue_mohr: I dont need to go thru a schematic
12:40 PM veverak: rue_mohr: sure, will eat, than I will pm you
12:41 PM * rue_mohr points at rue_shop1
01:42 PM veverak: rue_shop1: pong
02:23 PM rue_shop1: eeek sorry visitors
02:23 PM rue_shop1: just trying to get my xy plotter co-operating again after an error
02:23 PM veverak: :D
02:26 PM rue_shop1: spooling thru the print server isn't playing well, I think I need to switch it to use netcat
02:26 PM veverak: :)
02:26 PM rue_shop1: but maybe we can do away with this to a large degree
02:26 PM rue_shop1: so
02:26 PM rue_shop1: lets skip schematic (can we do that) and just hand lay out a board
02:27 PM rue_shop1: I am ready for clicking
02:27 PM veverak: is there a point to that?
02:27 PM veverak: I am not sure how to do that without a scheme
02:27 PM veverak: :/
02:27 PM rue_shop1: yok
02:27 PM rue_shop1: lets do a schematic then, they have a 555, right?
02:27 PM veverak: should have
02:27 PM rue_shop1: whcih one do I open, just kicad?
02:28 PM veverak: open kicad, this opens a main screen
02:28 PM rue_shop1: ok
02:28 PM veverak: which let's you open each separate APP that makes the pcb
02:28 PM rue_shop1: ah
02:28 PM rue_shop1: eschma and the other one
02:28 PM veverak: yup
02:29 PM rue_shop1: new project?
02:29 PM veverak: yes
02:30 PM rue_shop1: ok
02:30 PM rue_shop1: first one is board, second is schematic?
02:30 PM rue_shop1: yes
02:30 PM veverak: in the filelist?
02:30 PM veverak: yeah
02:30 PM rue_shop1: schematic firs then I presume?
02:31 PM rue_shop1: - copy default global symbol
02:31 PM rue_shop1: -copy custom
02:31 PM rue_shop1: -create empty
02:31 PM rue_shop1: symbol lib?
02:31 PM veverak: schematic first
02:33 PM rue_shop1: its asking what symbol lib I want
02:33 PM veverak: hmm
02:33 PM rue_shop1: I'll default it...
02:33 PM veverak: can you make pic?
02:33 PM veverak: oh, ok
02:33 PM X-Scale` is now known as X-Scale
02:34 PM rue_shop1: ok, add part?
02:34 PM * rue_shop1 looks for add part...
02:35 PM rue_shop1: op-amp ok...
02:35 PM rue_shop1: 555 isn't under linear...
02:35 PM veverak: yeah
02:35 PM veverak: Timer
02:35 PM veverak: :)
02:35 PM veverak: rue_shop1: there are keyboard shortcuts for everything
02:35 PM veverak: 'r' rotate
02:35 PM veverak: 'm' move part
02:35 PM rue_shop1: eeek, reflex clicking all the wrong buttons...
02:36 PM rue_shop1: whats a 1x3 pinheader called?
02:37 PM veverak: 01x03
02:37 PM rue_shop1: oof, scoll and zoom, kill me now
02:38 PM rue_shop1: erm, ok wire....
02:38 PM rue_shop1: whats green vs blue?
02:38 PM rue_shop1: ah, blue is a bus
02:39 PM rue_shop1: wow the zoom steps are insane
02:40 PM veverak: maybe you can change them
02:40 PM rue_shop1: can I select a block to move?
02:40 PM veverak: yeah
02:40 PM veverak: esc, select, m
02:40 PM rue_shop1: 8-| thats not elegant...
02:41 PM rue_shop1: ok...
02:41 PM rue_shop1: no stretchy moving :)
02:41 PM rue_shop1: how do I delete?
02:41 PM veverak: d
02:41 PM veverak: yay
02:41 PM veverak: 'delete'
02:42 PM rue_shop1: aha!
02:42 PM veverak: you can change the key
02:42 PM veverak: ofc
02:43 PM rue_shop1: not lots of clues on whats selected
02:43 PM rue_shop1: ooh, thats the ...
02:43 PM veverak: :)
02:44 PM rue_shop1: haha it wont let me out of the app when I'm drawing a wire
02:44 PM veverak: lol
02:44 PM rue_shop1: how do I make a line straight betwen points, like angles if I wnat?
02:46 PM rue_shop1: ok, I got a schematic.
02:47 PM rue_shop1: for the record its 4, 8 to vcc, 1 to ground, 2, 6 togethor, cap between 1 and 2, and resistor from 2 to 3, with 3 being the output
02:47 PM veverak: rue_shop1: left toolbar, the lowest icon
02:47 PM rue_shop1: ooh!
02:47 PM veverak: so, schematic is ok
02:47 PM rue_shop1: ... how do I change it
02:47 PM veverak: ?
02:47 PM veverak: clic on the icon...
02:47 PM rue_shop1: when i click on it, I dont get options...
02:47 PM veverak: there are none
02:48 PM veverak: it disables 'stick to vertical/horizontal only'
02:48 PM veverak: so you can make any angle
02:48 PM rue_shop1: how do I do lines at an angle then?
02:48 PM veverak: (yeah, sort of stupid)
02:48 PM rue_shop1: oooh
02:48 PM rue_shop1: ok
02:49 PM rue_shop1: so, there are no curves or rounded lines in this one, ok
02:49 PM rue_shop1: ok! schematic done, where next
02:49 PM veverak: yup :/
02:49 PM rue_shop1: saved
02:49 PM veverak: "assign pcb footprints to schematic symbols"
02:49 PM veverak: next to the red bug
02:49 PM veverak: in top toolbar
02:50 PM rue_shop1: annotations...
02:50 PM rue_shop1: defaults?
02:50 PM * rue_shop1 click 'annotate'
02:51 PM rue_shop1: 8-| I'm waiting for it to load footprints...
02:51 PM veverak: yup
02:51 PM veverak: it than shows three windows with a lists
02:51 PM rue_shop1: ah, clever, it doesn't pair down the footprints for each part
02:52 PM veverak: left: libraries, middle: schematic symbols you have, right: selected footprint
02:52 PM rue_shop1: ok
02:52 PM veverak: in the top toolbar you have various filters
02:52 PM veverak: for the right list
02:52 PM rue_shop1: start with the 555 as a dip8?
02:52 PM veverak: propably
02:52 PM veverak: (this will be changed in next versions afaik, as it sucks a bit)
02:53 PM rue_shop1: gee there are a lot of types of dips
02:53 PM rue_shop1: doubleclick package, ok
02:54 PM rue_shop1: its 1.27 1/10"?
02:54 PM rue_shop1: ok, only 1 option
02:55 PM rue_shop1: oh 2.54
02:57 PM rue_shop1: ok, I clicked ok and now thats gone...
02:58 PM rue_shop1: or, apply, save schematic, and continuie?
03:00 PM rue_shop1: veverak, ?
03:00 PM flav0r: what software are we muddling through dudes ?
03:01 PM rue_shop1: kicad, for milling out pcbs
03:01 PM flav0r: ahh
03:01 PM flav0r: cool
03:02 PM rue_shop1: so that when I want a *****y milled board, I dont have to do it with a dremel
03:02 PM rue_shop1: I'm currently setting up the board I needed yesterday for etching tho
03:02 PM rue_shop1: but veverak died... so I'm stuck
03:02 PM flav0r: you mean dremel the traces ?
03:02 PM flav0r: yikes
03:02 PM rue_shop1: I HAVE DONE IT
03:02 PM flav0r: oh man
03:02 PM rue_shop1: not good OR pretty
03:02 PM flav0r: brutal
03:03 PM rue_shop1: it was simple tho
03:03 PM rue_shop1: sometimes I cant be bothered to break out the etchant
03:03 PM flav0r: yah its all good
03:04 PM rue_shop1: I have a photo process I'v not tried
03:04 PM rue_shop1: UV nail polish
03:04 PM rue_shop1: :)
03:04 PM flav0r: dude
03:04 PM rue_shop1: I got lots from china
03:04 PM rue_shop1: and UV glue
03:05 PM * rue_shop1 clicks 'save shcematic and continue' this time
03:05 PM rue_shop1: ... nothing , ok
03:06 PM veverak: sorry!
03:06 PM veverak: back here
03:06 PM rue_shop1: oh good
03:06 PM veverak: rue_shop1: got assigned footprints?
03:06 PM rue_shop1: I clicked the circit baord icon and it came up with the pcb editor but there was no partz!
03:06 PM rue_shop1: yes
03:07 PM rue_shop1: who next?
03:07 PM veverak: "generate netlist" in escheme window
03:07 PM veverak: next to the "assign footprints"
03:07 PM rue_shop1: ok
03:07 PM veverak: generates file that is input for pcb editor
03:07 PM rue_shop1: done... I think?
03:07 PM veverak: now switch to pcb editor
03:07 PM veverak: and there is same icon
03:07 PM veverak: "read netlist"
03:08 PM rue_shop1: aha!
03:08 PM rue_shop1: uh, the parts are melted togethor
03:08 PM veverak: yup, ow you can play with it
03:08 PM rue_shop1: how do I seperate them
03:08 PM rue_shop1: ?
03:08 PM rue_shop1: oh, they were selected
03:08 PM rue_shop1: ok
03:10 PM flav0r: damned kicad fanboys
03:10 PM rue_shop1: eeek, adjust trace width?
03:11 PM rue_shop1: the trace width thing doesn't drop down into options
03:12 PM rue_shop1: hey, is F top and B bottom?
03:12 PM flav0r: front and back ?
03:12 PM rue_shop1: :/ ok
03:13 PM rue_shop1: and should trace width drop down into options?
03:16 PM rue_shop1: w does nothing, ctrl-w does nothing...
03:16 PM rue_shop1: is this broken?
03:16 PM veverak: nope
03:16 PM veverak: trace width is weird
03:16 PM rue_shop1: ok
03:16 PM veverak: top bar "Track: ..."
03:17 PM veverak: selects trace width from presets
03:17 PM veverak: and you have to make preset for each width you want
03:17 PM rue_shop1: how...
03:18 PM veverak: Setup -> Design Rules
03:18 PM rue_shop1: aha, global
03:18 PM rue_shop1: is it in metric?
03:19 PM veverak: not sure
03:19 PM veverak: I think yes
03:20 PM rue_shop1: geez, the zoom, x and y scroll multipliers need to be seriously dialed down
03:21 PM flav0r: i was just reading a “which is best” between eagle and kicad by some clown
03:21 PM rue_shop1: I'm really fighting it to make the traces how I want
03:21 PM flav0r: apparently aimed at the beginner …… he mentioned it is open source so can be modified … seemed to imply that was a PLUS in the decisiuon process
03:22 PM flav0r: lol
03:22 PM veverak: open source is a plus if don right
03:23 PM veverak: *if done right
03:23 PM rue_shop1: ok, its routed, its missing a board extents box...
03:23 PM veverak: rue_shop1: pick proper layer on right and draw
03:23 PM veverak: 'Edge.Cuts'
03:23 PM veverak: 'add graphic lines' in right toolbar
03:23 PM flav0r: im talkign about out of the zillion peopel ive talked to about their software choices that heralded open source as their reason because they could modify the software if they needed. i could count on one hand those that did
03:23 PM rue_shop1: oh, hey, I put the traces on the back, thats the solder side, right?
03:24 PM rue_shop1: ok
03:25 PM flav0r: sounds like its the ONLY side :)
03:25 PM rue_shop1: well for me, yea
03:27 PM rue_shop1: ok, so
03:27 PM rue_shop1: whats that pcb to gcode thing called?
03:31 PM veverak: pcb_to_gcode
03:31 PM veverak: :)
03:31 PM rue_shop1: not in debian repo
03:32 PM rue_shop1: er, link me?
03:32 PM rue_shop1: yea, nothing obvious is turning up on google
03:32 PM rue_shop1: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb2gcode/
03:33 PM rue_shop1: that one?
03:33 PM rue_shop1: burn that ones only for 64 bit?
03:33 PM rue_shop1: er, link me veverak
03:34 PM rue_shop1: :S
03:34 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, the pcb pens you got me dried up
03:34 PM rue_shop1: I mean, the last of the new ones
03:37 PM rue_shop1: I cant just go buy these...
03:38 PM Tom_L: huh?
03:38 PM Tom_L: i got you pcb pens?
03:38 PM rue_shop1: looong ago, remember the BIC ones?
03:39 PM Tom_L: oh hell no
03:39 PM rue_shop1: you were able to just like get them from the corner store
03:39 PM Tom_L: i barely remember yesterday
03:39 PM rue_shop1: it was like 13 years ago
03:39 PM Tom_L: sharpies?
03:39 PM Tom_L: wasn't me
03:39 PM Tom_L: you sure?
03:39 PM rue_shop1: BIC
03:39 PM rue_shop1: special one
03:40 PM Tom_L: yeah that's common here
03:40 PM Tom_L: huh
03:40 PM Tom_L: most BICs i have are ink pens
03:40 PM rue_shop1: well, I cant get them here anymore
03:40 PM Tom_L: with a ball
03:40 PM Tom_L: not felt
03:40 PM rue_shop1: its a felt
03:41 PM Tom_L: all the felt pens i have are sharpie brand
03:41 PM Tom_L: sharpie permanent markers
03:41 PM Tom_L: i bet you can get those
03:41 PM rue_shop1: not here
03:42 PM Tom_L: they got several tip sizes
03:42 PM Tom_L: from small to really fat
03:43 PM Tom_L: what work phone do you have? iphone?
03:43 PM Tom_L: i'm looking
03:44 PM rue_shop1: iphone
03:45 PM Tom_L: do you like iphone?
03:45 PM rue_shop1: no
03:45 PM Tom_L: samsung?
03:45 PM rue_shop1: if you dont let it do any updates its ok
03:45 PM rue_shop1: so get all the apps you want when you get it cause you cant get them later
03:46 PM rue_shop1: (iphone)
03:46 PM Tom_L: why?
03:46 PM Tom_L: that's kinda stupid
03:47 PM rue_shop1: every time you update they derate the battery by about 10%
03:47 PM rue_shop1: in firmware
03:47 PM rue_shop1: to force turnover
03:47 PM Tom_L: i noticed that on a ipod i have
03:47 PM Tom_L: didn't they get in trouble for that?
03:47 PM rue_shop1: yup
03:48 PM Tom_L: i've never or never will do an update on it
03:48 PM Tom_L: i use it for one thing only
03:48 PM Tom_L: it's practically begging me to update now...
03:49 PM Tom_L: what's your personal phone?
03:49 PM rue_shop1: land line
03:50 PM rue_shop1: ya cant text it :)
03:50 PM Tom_L: no cell?
03:50 PM rue_shop1: nope
03:50 PM Tom_L: i keep my landline but never use it
03:50 PM rue_shop1: no coverage at home
03:50 PM Tom_L: huh
03:50 PM Tom_L: doesn't cost me anything to keep
03:51 PM rue_shop1: $40/mo
03:51 PM Tom_L: i moved it to google just so i could keep the number active
03:52 PM rue_shop1: :( all my plotter pens have dried up
03:53 PM rue_shop1: veverak, pcb 2 gocde?
03:53 PM flav0r: porting a number to google isnt really “keeping a landline”
03:53 PM rue_shop1: I cant just go out and buy a steddler either
03:53 PM Tom_L: i don't use it
03:53 PM Tom_L: rue_shop1, try adding some iso to them?
03:54 PM flav0r: i was making the distinction that a “landline” is a particular thing
03:54 PM rue_shop1: I been working on 6 of them for the last half hour
03:54 PM flav0r: i.e. a powered piece of copper
03:54 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:55 PM flav0r: iOS is best !
03:55 PM flav0r: ive been using sailfish recently
03:55 PM flav0r: they still dont have a decent browser
03:55 PM flav0r: to which i ask .. WHATS THE POINT ???
03:55 PM flav0r: TOM .. what is this “one thing” you keep an iphone for ?
03:56 PM Tom_L: an app for work
03:56 PM flav0r: does it straight up not work in later versions of the OS ?
03:57 PM Tom_L: it want's me to update to 11.xx and i haven't verified if it will or won't
03:57 PM Tom_L: but it works as is so....
03:57 PM rue_shop1: bad bad bad bad bad....
03:57 PM flav0r: ah i see
03:57 PM flav0r: yeah their update nag sucks
03:58 PM flav0r: is it an app from the app store or an internal app ?
03:58 PM Tom_L: not too bad on it since i don't have it on while charging at home and the wifi isn't set up anywhere else
03:58 PM Tom_L: store iirc
03:59 PM flav0r: just go look on the store then .. it will tell you then minimum version required
03:59 PM Tom_L: i don't really remember now
03:59 PM flav0r: but yeah it still might not work !
03:59 PM veverak: here again
03:59 PM veverak: sorry
03:59 PM veverak: rue_shop1: yup, pcb 2 gcode
03:59 PM Tom_L: if it ain't broke don't fix it....
03:59 PM flav0r: i keep old iphones around because they are handy fior the apps i make for various tasks
03:59 PM flav0r: especially if they dont require specific hardware or power
04:00 PM rue_shop1: veverak, link me, I cant find the right one
04:06 PM veverak: https://wiki.base48.cz/PCBMilling#Kicad_export
04:06 PM veverak: this is our hackerspace wiki for milling
04:06 PM veverak: https://github.com/pcb2gcode/pcb2gcode
04:10 PM rue_shop1: there is no configure scipt
04:12 PM rue_shop1: oh no, only the author can compile this
04:13 PM rue_shop1: it looks like since INSTALL was written, they changed it to automake
04:13 PM rue_shop1: but automake doens't work
04:13 PM veverak: interesting
04:13 PM rue_shop1: veverak, we should have started here, what a huge waste of time....
04:13 PM veverak: hold your horses
04:13 PM veverak: there is AUR script
04:13 PM veverak: :)
04:13 PM rue_shop1: whats that
04:14 PM veverak: archlinux user package repository
04:14 PM veverak: script to download and install some software
04:14 PM veverak: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pcb2gcode%20aur
04:14 PM veverak: first link
04:15 PM veverak: can you load the website or is it down?
04:15 PM rue_shop1: frucking chome
04:15 PM veverak: wait
04:15 PM veverak: sudo apt-get install pcb2gcode
04:15 PM veverak: "There are pcb2gcode packages in the official repositories. You can install the with"
04:15 PM veverak: on the git website
04:15 PM veverak: you have debian no?
04:15 PM rue_shop1: 9.?
04:16 PM Tom_L: stretch is 9
04:16 PM rue_shop1: 9.5
04:16 PM rue_shop1: glad you know :)
04:16 PM veverak: https://packages.debian.org/stable/electronics/pcb2gcode
04:16 PM Tom_L: i installed it a while back
04:16 PM veverak: ^^ it's there
04:16 PM veverak: rue_shop1: I suppose stable version is OK for tests
04:17 PM rue_shop1: :((( none of the pens I have are working in my plotter
04:17 PM veverak: lol
04:17 PM rue_shop1: root@freebee6:/etc/apt# apt-cache search pcb2gcode
04:17 PM rue_shop1: pcb2gcode - command-line tool for engraving PCBs using CNCs
04:18 PM rue_shop1: damn, when you get the name right it comes right up
04:18 PM veverak: that's it
04:18 PM veverak: :D
04:18 PM veverak: yup
04:18 PM veverak: that's why I always thought the apt search sucks as hell
04:18 PM veverak: with 'apt search "pcb to gcode"'
04:18 PM veverak: pcb2gcode should be one of the results
04:18 PM rue_shop1: I better go shopping
04:18 PM Tom_L: 2
04:18 PM veverak: rue_shop1: tbh, I am suprised about the setup we have on wiki
04:18 PM rue_shop1: ok with that insalled
04:18 PM veverak: it even lists what you need to export from kicad
04:19 PM veverak: https://wiki.base48.cz/PCBMilling#pcb2gcode
04:19 PM veverak: yeah
04:19 PM veverak: config we use
04:20 PM rue_shop1: veverak, I'm gonna go shopping, I ahve the wiki up, I'll see what I can do
04:20 PM veverak: cool
04:20 PM veverak: I go home from hackerspace than
04:21 PM rue_shop1: :(( plotter pens, the town threatening to seize moms home, and timezones wtf
04:21 PM rue_shop1: actaully, they didn't threaten, they said they will just do it
04:22 PM veverak: lol
04:22 PM veverak: well
04:22 PM veverak: you are on the other side of the planet more or less
04:22 PM veverak: https://github.com/pcb2gcode/pcb2gcode/releases
04:22 PM veverak: hmm
04:22 PM veverak: they have actual releases of sorts, cool
04:22 PM veverak: 2016!
04:33 PM flav0r: youre a czech guy ?
05:11 PM veverak: yup
05:44 PM rue_shop1: uh, 2 years ago, I put asside these bottles of self-refreshing etchant for the fancy compounds to form
05:44 PM rue_shop1: I thinnk they did
05:44 PM Tom_L: mine settled to rocks in the bottom of the bottle
05:45 PM rue_shop1: cap tom, cap.
05:46 PM Tom_L: it was
05:46 PM Tom_L: it separated
05:47 PM rue_shop1: https://web.archive.org/web/20060822061531/http://members.optusnet.com.au/~eseychell/PCB/etching_CuCl/index.html
05:47 PM Tom_L: i've seen that
05:48 PM rue_shop1: yea I did it
05:48 PM rue_shop1: I have two bottles of "the good stuff"
05:48 PM Tom_L: did it work?
05:48 PM rue_shop1: just working out how to use it
05:51 PM rue_shop1: somewhere around 1g/L
06:09 PM rue_shop1: what does it mean when it starts smoking after being poured out of the bottle?
06:09 PM Tom_L: a chemical reaction is taking place
06:10 PM rue_shop1: it immediatly took the resist off the test board
06:10 PM rue_shop1: maybe its too strong
06:10 PM Tom_L: must be too strong
06:10 PM Tom_L: not all pens are resist resistable
06:11 PM rue_shop1: these ones are, to everything else Iv' used
06:11 PM Tom_L: i remember either sodium or ammonium pesulphate was more resist friendly
06:11 PM Tom_L: one would disolve it the other wouldn't nearly as much
06:13 PM Tom_L: have you ever tried pla as a resist?
06:14 PM Tom_L: print a single layer on copper
06:14 PM Tom_L: not sure how well it would stick
06:14 PM rue_shop1: yea I cant jujst go get that
06:15 PM rue_shop1: for now I'lltry the persulfate I mixed up years ago
06:54 PM rue_shop1: the test in the persulfate still isn't etched
06:54 PM rue_shop1: DAMNIT
06:55 PM rue_shop1: I dont do enough etching for things to work
06:55 PM rue_shop1: all the pens dried up, the etchant went bad
06:55 PM rue_shop1: just arg
06:57 PM veverak: ah
07:00 PM rue_shop1: veverak,
07:00 PM rue_shop1: it didn't say how to run the gcode converter...
07:04 PM rue_shop1: arg, veverak there are a lot of numbers here
07:11 PM rue_shop1: pcb2gcode --back kicad-555-B.Cu.gbr --outline kicad-555-Edge.Cuts.gbr --drill kicad-555-PTH.drl --cutter-diameter 1 --milldrill --zsafe 10 --zchange 10 --zwork 0 --offset 0
07:11 PM rue_shop1: this is getting crazy
07:33 PM flav0r: hang in there dude !
07:35 PM rue_shop1: hey the pcb etched
07:36 PM rue_shop1: hey I didn't overetch it
07:59 PM flav0r: hehe
07:59 PM flav0r: nice
07:59 PM flav0r: show it !
07:59 PM rue_shop1: puttings the parts on first
08:00 PM flav0r: no way !
08:00 PM flav0r: wanna see the etch job !
08:00 PM rue_shop1: haha half the parts are on
08:00 PM rue_shop1: wait, maybe I took a pic
08:01 PM rue_shop1: yo have to wait, the picam isn't up
08:21 PM rue_shop1: damn, I'm out of 3d printed 6-32 nuts
08:40 PM Tom_L: etching can be tricky if you don't do it alot
09:31 PM flav0r: boards practically etch themselves !
09:31 PM Tom_L: getting what you want to stay on them can be a trick
09:32 PM flav0r: hmm what you mean ?
09:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/multibots/smokingprogress/p1100925.jpg
09:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/multibots/smokingprogress/p1100926.jpg
09:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/multibots/smokingprogress/p1100927.jpg
09:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/multibots/smokingprogress/p1100928.jpg
09:34 PM flav0r: FINALLY !!!
09:35 PM Tom_L: that turned out pretty clean
09:35 PM rue_mohr: flav0r, well, the cnc stuff wasn't ready to make a board, the computer with the pcb software had power supply death when I was half way thru
09:35 PM rue_mohr: the spooling system was all messed up and is giving me horrid delays
09:35 PM rue_mohr: the pens didn't work
09:35 PM rue_mohr: the etchant was all moofed
09:36 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, they should come out pretty clean!
09:36 PM flav0r: perhaps tin the copper to stop any oxidation to the copper
09:36 PM Tom_L: that stuff looks kinda familiar btw
09:36 PM rue_mohr: the liquid tin I have is pooched
09:36 PM flav0r: i meant with solder
09:36 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, which?
09:36 PM Tom_L: the Fr4 that is
09:37 PM rue_mohr: I have a stack of it from a local fellow that moved into a retirement home
09:37 PM Tom_L: didn't i send you a pile of it once?
09:37 PM rue_mohr: but its all 2 sided, I have to peel it
09:37 PM flav0r: just a bit of flux and some solder
09:37 PM flav0r: will tin that copper no problem
09:37 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, nope
09:37 PM Tom_L: huh, i swore i did
09:37 PM rue_mohr: too heavy
09:37 PM Tom_L: but it looks just like the stuff i have
09:38 PM Tom_L: mine is mostly 2 sided too
09:38 PM rue_mohr: there prolly wernt many manufs left in the last days of north-america etching
09:39 PM rue_mohr: apparently it was from a vancouver boardhouse that went under
09:39 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch8.jpg
09:39 PM Tom_L: the 'watermarks' look similar
09:39 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper2.jpg
09:39 PM Tom_L: still have plenty if you run short
09:40 PM flav0r: thats a weak stack !
09:40 PM Tom_L: that's all i kept dude
09:40 PM flav0r: lol
09:40 PM Tom_L: i had 2 full pickups full
09:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper3.jpg
09:40 PM Tom_L: those are cut in half to store
09:41 PM flav0r: well if i ever need any copper clad board i know who to talk to !
09:41 PM Tom_L: yeah, shipping is the big issue
09:41 PM flav0r: i sense you are nearby
09:42 PM Tom_L: where are you?
09:42 PM flav0r: SEATTLE !
09:42 PM Tom_L: you're closer to rue
09:42 PM Tom_L: i'm in Ks
09:42 PM flav0r: hmm must be a full moon
09:42 PM flav0r: my sense is usually more accurate
09:43 PM flav0r: Tom_L: getting what you want to stay on them can be a trick. <— you talking about components ?
09:43 PM rue_mohr: I'd sad to think you got rid of a bunch tom
09:43 PM Tom_L: no the traces
09:43 PM rue_mohr: you know they sell peices 15x15cm for like $22 in vancouver?
09:44 PM flav0r: oh you mean over etching
09:44 PM flav0r: ?
09:44 PM Tom_L: i could have retired
09:44 PM Tom_L: flav0r, no what i meant was lots of guys struggle with toner transfer or whatever method they use
09:45 PM flav0r: ahh
09:45 PM flav0r: yeah i missed what you were getting at
09:45 PM flav0r: i.e. ive seen guys struggle with SMD components floating around
09:45 PM flav0r: hence me asking if you meant components
09:45 PM flav0r: blah blah blah !
09:46 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyboard2.jpg
09:46 PM Tom_L: attiny 10
09:46 PM Tom_L: with 3 traces under it
09:48 PM Tom_L: smt is easy
09:48 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_batch.jpg
09:48 PM Tom_L: i did about 200 of those before i built my toaster oven
09:49 PM flav0r: should have etched them all !
09:49 PM Tom_L: no thanks
10:02 PM rue_shop1: I think it was a pokemon joke
10:05 PM flav0r: of all the crap ive etched
10:05 PM flav0r: these two are my favourite i think
10:05 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/ladMXmP
10:05 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/8dydUGc
10:06 PM flav0r: just a few pics showing etching and mask etc
10:07 PM flav0r: no fancy cutout with mill .. just bandsaw sanding and filing !
10:08 PM rue_shop1: toner transfer?
10:08 PM flav0r: nooo
10:08 PM rue_shop1: oh yea, you said photo
10:09 PM flav0r: yah mon
10:09 PM rue_shop1: normally I wouldn't etch that much material off a board
10:09 PM rue_shop1: but I had so many other problems I didn't care
10:11 PM flav0r: you got there dude
10:13 PM flav0r: could be a lot worse
10:13 PM flav0r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UcRzbW-uU
10:13 PM flav0r: 0:48
10:13 PM flav0r: i.e. if you were that guy !
10:15 PM rue_shop1: I hope veverak can show me the rest of this later
10:48 PM rue_shop1: looking at the output from pcb2gcode, I dont think I can put the drill file into grbl, as it doesn't have variables