#robotics Logs
Nov 23 2018
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12:14 AM rue_mohr: uahahahahaha
12:18 AM rue_mohr: hahaha, oh geeez, the like NEXT CHAPTER is almsot eXACTLY what I wanted to do
12:18 AM rue_mohr: and i just finished working out (I think) the first one I typed in from the book
12:18 AM rue_mohr: damnit
12:24 AM rue_mohr: oh god the book is full of mistakes
12:24 AM rue_mohr: and I dont know enough to know what is mistake and whats me
12:39 AM polprog: writing some book?
12:52 AM rue_mohr: NO
12:53 AM rue_mohr: I'm trying to do a motif example from a book
12:53 AM rue_mohr: the stupid motif layout object is CRAP (really, it is)
12:53 AM rue_mohr: so I need to make my own
12:53 AM rue_mohr: I'm gonna try to inherite the crap and override the cr part, I should end up with a fine ap
12:54 AM rue_mohr: oh, and the code in the book aside from being rittled with errors, is NOT online
01:01 AM rue_mohr: qI'm close th
01:17 AM polprog: ugh
01:17 AM polprog: i feel you
01:20 AM rue_mohr: ok, I got it to compile,m but it segfaults
01:21 AM rue_mohr: but it compiled, calling it a night
01:24 AM rue_mohr: it prolyl did cause of one of the func handlers I changed to NULL
01:24 AM rue_mohr: of which there were about 30
01:26 AM rue_mohr: :) I made a segfault widget!
01:27 AM polprog: lol
02:35 AM deshipu: veverak: use usb camera, it has infinite slots for that
03:05 AM veverak: deshipu: not true either
03:05 AM veverak: :)
03:05 AM veverak: but I still have two out of two free
03:07 AM Jak_o_Shadows: AND THE MOTOR DRIVER WORKS
03:07 AM veverak: hmm, but I think I would still love PCB that just spills movement vector on serial/spi
03:07 AM veverak: Jak_o_Shadows: gooood
03:12 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I knew that I blew up the old one
03:12 AM Jak_o_Shadows: now the christmas lights can continue
03:48 AM deshipu: veverak: openmv
07:13 AM veverak: deshipu: hmm
07:38 AM deshipu: it has optical flow
07:40 AM veverak: hmm
07:40 AM veverak: hmmm
07:40 AM veverak: deshipu: you want me to spent my money don't yu?
07:40 AM veverak: bookmarked :)
08:09 AM deshipu: veverak: sorry, it's just one solution that I know
08:10 AM deshipu: veverak: it also does april tags
09:01 AM veverak: (just trolling)
09:01 AM veverak: deshipu: it actually sounds like proper solution
09:04 AM rue_mohr: what you have watching what?
09:15 AM deshipu: he wants his robot to stare at the floor
09:15 AM deshipu: watching its life pass
09:16 AM deshipu: veverak: a mouse sensor with hacked optics could work well as well
09:23 AM veverak: hmm, with hacked optics maybe
09:23 AM veverak: rue_mohr: got tracked robot
09:23 AM veverak: want to give it some sense of it's position
09:23 AM veverak: optical flow sounds cool
09:23 AM veverak: :)
09:25 AM veverak: (there is actually 1-2cm of space below the robot
12:12 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
02:41 PM ldiamond: I'm looking for a gearbox with a high ratio multiplier that can take the power of a human arm.
02:41 PM ldiamond: with maybe a 6-10 inches lever
06:21 PM Jak_o_Shadows: I've seen optical flow used for crazy cool stress/strain analysis
06:44 PM rue_mohr: you can just re-lens a optical mouse ya know
07:22 PM rue_mohr: well, I been thinking alot about building spaceship instead of a house
07:22 PM rue_mohr: there is sure a lot more to think about
07:24 PM rue_mohr: but the main problem that I can think of is that all the large ships I know of are all hallways
07:24 PM rue_mohr: gonna go think about this in a shower
08:35 PM flav0r: i do my best thinking when im taking a dump
08:35 PM flav0r: 2nd is shower
08:38 PM flav0r: rue_mohr: you never fail to disappoint
08:38 PM flav0r: THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A SPACESHIP !
08:39 PM Tom_L: what you been eatin lately?
08:53 PM flav0r: organic !
08:58 PM rue_mohr: no no, think about it
08:58 PM rue_mohr: just put the fact that its rediculus aside for a moment
08:58 PM rue_mohr: do you need a building permit? no
08:59 PM flav0r: ahhh i see where youre going with that
08:59 PM flav0r: what about a cave ?
08:59 PM rue_mohr: yea, so lot setbacks dont apply
08:59 PM flav0r: can you just pour concrete in the shape of a cave
08:59 PM rue_mohr: I'm more of a spcaeship kinda guy
09:00 PM flav0r: yah
09:00 PM rue_mohr: not gonna be a limit on square footage
09:01 PM flav0r: i got my parts database to a state that i can use it
09:01 PM rue_mohr: cool!
09:01 PM flav0r: lol yeah
09:01 PM rue_mohr: hows it compare to toms?
09:01 PM flav0r: it will need refinement
09:02 PM flav0r: oh its probably shit :)
09:02 PM flav0r: lol
09:02 PM flav0r: the structure is ok underneath
09:02 PM flav0r: my main goal was to print labels for ziplock bags that made sense
09:02 PM rue_mohr: ah
09:02 PM flav0r: ill have to refine locations later …for now i just defined box 1 box 2 connectors etc
09:03 PM rue_mohr: what this conversation needs is more tea
09:03 PM flav0r: but later ill break that down .. no big deal
09:03 PM rue_mohr: so tell me about the structure
09:05 PM flav0r: simple stuff .. user … parts .. storage
09:05 PM flav0r: then tables to join those as needed or as makes sense
09:05 PM flav0r: stock
09:05 PM flav0r: projects
09:06 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/qiLOUey
09:06 PM flav0r: theres a couple bags with labels
09:06 PM rue_mohr: so, every time you use a resistor you log it out of the database?
09:06 PM flav0r: currently working on a mobile app to go with it for the purpose of ad-hoc usage of parts
09:06 PM flav0r: oh nah
09:06 PM flav0r: resistors and caps i just have in bulk
09:07 PM flav0r: the caps in that bag is a type i wouldnt typically use
09:07 PM rue_mohr: blue leds?
09:08 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1090122.jpg
09:08 PM rue_mohr: ohhh that STILL makes me droooool
09:08 PM rue_mohr: I should do that again
09:09 PM rue_mohr: god that was fun
09:12 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/semiparts1.jpg
09:12 PM rue_mohr: flav0r, did I show you my parts?
09:13 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/semiparts2.jpg <-- ttl/ttl/linear/cmos
09:13 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/semiparts3.jpg NULL/drivers/perphials/cheap sockets/good sockets
09:13 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/semiparts4.jpg for whats its worth, I redid the list
09:15 PM rue_mohr: hmm, yea that set is missing the bulk resistors
09:15 PM rue_mohr: and now I have a library of reels forming
09:15 PM rue_mohr: oh , and I made a resistor/capacitor book for smd
09:16 PM rue_mohr: its a 8.5x11 book...
09:16 PM rue_mohr: mostly cause one night I spent 4 hours pulling a checking caps to find a 0.01uF and didn't
09:16 PM rue_mohr: but accumulated a bin of about 200 smd caps
09:17 PM flav0r: hehe yeah you showed me those parts before
09:17 PM flav0r: i like it !
09:17 PM rue_mohr: I feel bad cause I been working on this CAM software for about 3 weeks
09:19 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/dvs5CQr
09:19 PM flav0r: there you go dude
09:19 PM rue_mohr: what should make me feel worse is that I'm almost at a dead-end with a gui object to arrange the input fields
09:19 PM rue_mohr: no hole in the bag...
09:19 PM rue_mohr: how do you store the bags?
09:20 PM rue_mohr: ooo square, but with frosted or translucent lens?
09:20 PM rue_mohr: you need translucent stickers
09:21 PM rue_mohr: if you also use a 1d barcode, you can get lots of hand scanners cheap
09:21 PM flav0r: well im not sure yet how i will store the bags eventually
09:21 PM rue_mohr: do you keep info on where to get restock?
09:21 PM flav0r: currently they are just in plastic storage bins
09:21 PM rue_mohr: a hook would be ok
09:21 PM rue_mohr: casue you can range the hooks
09:21 PM flav0r: yah somethign liek that too
09:21 PM flav0r: those numbers on the bags are for position
09:21 PM flav0r: so if i had hooks thats the idea
09:21 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/3Yk5DHC
09:22 PM * rue_mohr shudders
09:22 PM flav0r: thats how i store SMD resistors, ceramic caps and LEDS
09:22 PM rue_mohr: keep that AWAY from the edge of the tabe
09:22 PM rue_mohr: where are the tweezers for getting to them?
09:26 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/LBepbii
09:26 PM flav0r: can never have too many tweezers
09:29 PM flav0r: i suppose in theiory you could inventory SMD resistors etc
09:29 PM flav0r: but that would just get retarded
09:29 PM flav0r: i have a simple tool to import the BOM from eagle and i assign parts to it
09:29 PM flav0r: and then that can just automatically minus off some stock
09:29 PM flav0r: but i think thats going a bit too far
09:30 PM rue_mohr: ok got more images!
09:30 PM flav0r: this is what i was working on earlier
09:30 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/uJ3svUX
09:30 PM flav0r: imported that BOM to my system !
09:30 PM flav0r: epic
09:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/new_smd_list.jpg
09:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/smd_book.jpg
09:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/smd_book2.jpg
09:42 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/var_resistors_bins.jpg <-- some other stuff, mostly variable resistors
09:42 PM rue_mohr: oh and high power fixed resistors...
09:56 PM rue_mohr: ?
09:56 PM rue_mohr: you could just talk to the wall
09:56 PM rue_mohr: no, I wanted some feedback
09:56 PM rue_mohr: yea, thats my point
09:56 PM rue_mohr: but
09:57 PM rue_mohr: your going to have to get used to this if your going to be the last one alive on the planet
09:57 PM rue_mohr: are we there yet?
09:57 PM rue_mohr: no, there ARE still a few left
09:57 PM rue_mohr: how many
09:57 PM rue_mohr: I'm not allowed to say
09:57 PM rue_mohr: no, really, we talking like 3 or 400?
09:57 PM rue_mohr: you work out
09:57 PM rue_mohr: oh cmon
09:58 PM rue_mohr: hye what we doin>?
09:58 PM rue_mohr: well, I'd suggest that other manager widget
09:59 PM rue_mohr: scrap this one?
09:59 PM rue_mohr: unless you know how to fix it
09:59 PM rue_mohr: I dont
09:59 PM rue_mohr: k
09:59 PM rue_mohr: but I think I learned how to maul the real one
10:00 PM flav0r: hey ehy
10:00 PM flav0r: was taking a shower !
10:00 PM flav0r: yah man .. i like your style !
10:01 PM rue_mohr: oh, thanks
10:02 PM flav0r: shit dude
10:02 PM flav0r: i think i had the exact same 5.25” floppy disk box
10:02 PM flav0r: on the top shelf
10:02 PM flav0r: the one with the dust fused to the front of it !
10:03 PM rue_mohr: :)
10:03 PM rue_mohr: I think thats the backup copy of my pcb software
10:12 PM rue_mohr: cause all the apple II floppies are behind me
10:43 PM Tom_L: show n tell night?
10:47 PM rue_mohr: its nice to get away from the code and seeteh shop fora bit
10:47 PM rue_mohr: what d ya think tom?
10:49 PM Tom_L: didn't look at much, been busy critiquing a paper for my kid
10:49 PM rue_mohr: ah
10:53 PM Tom_L: question is, will you ever use all of it?
10:55 PM rue_mohr: thats not the idea
10:55 PM Tom_L: what about
10:55 PM rue_mohr: its like putting 2000 targets on a field so that you can almost always hit a bullseye
10:55 PM Tom_L: he who dies with the most toys wins?
10:55 PM rue_mohr: nomatter how bad an aim you are...
10:59 PM rue_mohr: besides, if I start a spaceship now, I'll have it if I need it, I'll not have wasted time with a house
10:59 PM rue_mohr: rate this level of crazy at rue-is-crazy.com and YOU could win a stuffed bear!
10:59 PM rue_mohr: :/ dude...
10:59 PM rue_mohr: no you have a point
11:00 PM rue_mohr: this is the kinda thing you look back on and say "damnit I should have started the damn ship"
11:00 PM rue_mohr: you have to plan for your future
11:00 PM rue_mohr: I'v never made a ship beofre
11:00 PM rue_mohr: you got a lot of the points just thinking about it tho
11:00 PM rue_mohr: yea, but what about it all being halls?
11:00 PM Tom_L: finish your cam program first
11:01 PM rue_mohr: wtfyou need romms for anyhow
11:01 PM rue_mohr: open concept
11:01 PM rue_mohr: on a major level
11:01 PM rue_mohr: its got to be a rpessure vessel you know
11:01 PM rue_mohr: you can do that
11:01 PM rue_mohr: so, derrigable frame?
11:01 PM Tom_L: make a submarine instead
11:01 PM rue_mohr: I dont want to go to the sea floor tho
11:01 PM Tom_L: atlantis
11:01 PM rue_mohr: buy someone elses space ship
11:01 PM flav0r: or something that hovers
11:02 PM rue_mohr: dude, you cant even use a gui library without rewriting it
11:02 PM flav0r: big magnets
11:02 PM rue_mohr: he has a point
11:02 PM rue_mohr: that isn't flying
11:02 PM rue_mohr: dont have to fly tho
11:02 PM rue_mohr: I could make thrusters
11:02 PM flav0r: then you free up the space under the dwelling
11:02 PM flav0r: without the need to make a basement
11:02 PM rue_mohr: you havn't tested it on the small scale
11:02 PM rue_mohr: you didn't make me the air table
11:02 PM rue_mohr: is this a blame game?
11:03 PM rue_mohr: I dont ahve room for a air table
11:03 PM rue_mohr: use someone elses
11:03 PM rue_mohr: hmm
11:03 PM rue_mohr: the arena remember?
11:03 PM flav0r: steal someone elses
11:03 PM rue_mohr: uh, is it still there?
11:03 PM rue_mohr: not sure
11:03 PM flav0r: i think they arent using it
11:03 PM rue_mohr: put an add on facebook
11:03 PM flav0r: and not watching
11:03 PM flav0r: so thievery is possible
11:03 PM rue_mohr: dude, its a space problem
11:03 PM flav0r: thats what im saying
11:03 PM rue_mohr: we dont steal stuff
11:03 PM flav0r: turn it on its side
11:04 PM rue_mohr: I could totally just use the one at the arena
11:04 PM flav0r: right
11:04 PM flav0r: its already stolen
11:04 PM Tom_L: buy an abandon silo
11:04 PM rue_mohr: well, if you want to start, you need to know the force/cm^2 of it
11:04 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, THATS just silly
11:04 PM rue_mohr: I'm not talking a rocket anyhow
11:04 PM Tom_L: no, ppl do it
11:04 PM rue_mohr: I'm talking a ship
11:04 PM rue_mohr: with rooms
11:04 PM rue_mohr: padded ones...
11:04 PM Tom_L: they have rooms
11:04 PM rue_mohr: SHUT UPPP!!
11:05 PM rue_mohr: hehe
11:05 PM flav0r: the silo has rooms
11:05 PM Tom_L: you need a padded cell now?
11:05 PM flav0r: yeah everyone needs a mattress
11:06 PM rue_mohr: I'm starting to seriously question it
11:06 PM rue_mohr: and I'm questioning yoru sanity
11:06 PM rue_mohr: uh dude,
11:06 PM * rue_mohr points to 12' robot outside
11:07 PM rue_mohr: thats sane...
11:07 PM rue_mohr: I think...
11:07 PM rue_mohr: mhm
11:07 PM Tom_L: ask your neighbor
11:07 PM rue_mohr: its sane to build a 12' robot, right?
11:07 PM flav0r: yes
11:07 PM rue_mohr: use it to make a spaceship
11:07 PM flav0r: 14’ is nuts
11:07 PM rue_mohr: flav0r, is right
11:07 PM rue_mohr: your ok
11:07 PM rue_mohr: I'm feeling picked on here
11:08 PM rue_mohr: you can still make a ship
11:08 PM rue_mohr: just make a tiny one you dont live in
11:08 PM rue_mohr: hmm
11:08 PM rue_mohr: I'm gonna regret building a house
11:08 PM flav0r: yeah all those permits
11:08 PM rue_mohr: but its the proper thing to do
11:08 PM rue_mohr: wtf do I care about proper?
11:09 PM rue_mohr: I wonder if a space ship needs an electrical permit...
11:09 PM rue_mohr: its prolly subject to some kinda vessel ticket
11:09 PM rue_mohr: hahahh you need exit signs
11:09 PM rue_mohr: uh, where do the exit signs on a spaceship go?
11:09 PM rue_mohr: bathroom :)
11:09 PM rue_mohr: har har
11:10 PM rue_mohr: this question isn't over
11:10 PM rue_mohr: ok, but you still have to finish your houseplan by the end of Dec
11:11 PM rue_mohr: ball needs to keep rollin 'eh?
11:11 PM rue_mohr: you should converse with your irc fiends
11:11 PM rue_mohr: we are, they just aren't interrupting
11:11 PM * rue_mohr looks to flav0r
11:11 PM * rue_mohr looks to Tom_L
11:12 PM rue_mohr: ok, what is 'sane'
11:12 PM rue_mohr: and why.
11:12 PM Tom_L: i'm runnin outta gas here
11:12 PM Tom_L: gonna take about 8 hrs to refule i think
11:12 PM rue_mohr: ah, well thanks for the input... I'll need more :)
11:12 PM rue_mohr: suppose I cant get a mortguage to build a spaceship
11:13 PM rue_mohr: you want to be in debt for the rest of your life?
11:13 PM rue_mohr: nope, longer
11:13 PM flav0r: you can leave the planet to escape the debt
11:13 PM Tom_L: i wonder about that too
11:13 PM rue_mohr: I think that sanity is contextual
11:13 PM rue_mohr: I agree
11:14 PM rue_mohr: I think that living with just accepting that your gonna die at some age is insane
11:14 PM rue_mohr: I'm on the fence on that one
11:15 PM rue_mohr: but its so primitive
11:15 PM rue_mohr: is it?
11:15 PM Tom_L: it's inevitable
11:15 PM rue_mohr: its insane to do what you can to just live?
11:15 PM rue_mohr: no, thats the thing
11:16 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, is insane
11:16 PM rue_mohr: no, context
11:16 PM rue_mohr: I'm insane?
11:16 PM rue_mohr: "no, context"
11:16 PM rue_mohr: :/ thanks
11:16 PM rue_mohr: I have a habbit of being late
11:17 PM rue_mohr: your saying that you will get past death just after the nick of time, or that you will be late for your own funeral?
11:17 PM rue_mohr: doesn't a funeral imply there are people who know you there?
11:17 PM rue_mohr: kinda
11:18 PM rue_mohr: there are what, 3 people left on the planet
11:18 PM rue_mohr: you shouldn't let that discourage you
11:18 PM rue_mohr: yes, well, depression is the only thing that can kill me, right?
11:18 PM rue_mohr: and being run over by large vehicles...
11:18 PM rue_mohr: buses, yes, avoid busses
11:19 PM rue_mohr: I dunno
11:19 PM rue_mohr: thats what people say when they give up
11:19 PM rue_mohr: ugh, always rid'n me
11:19 PM rue_mohr: I want you to succeed
11:20 PM rue_mohr: direction would help
11:20 PM rue_mohr: its yours
11:20 PM rue_mohr: uh, your gonna freak people out
11:20 PM rue_mohr: there are 3 people left, and their not here
11:20 PM rue_mohr: "why does anything matter" is not a good attitude
11:21 PM rue_mohr: thats not entirely what I said
11:21 PM rue_mohr: if you pull it off, it'll be the most scarry thing ever
11:21 PM rue_mohr: and it might really mess you up
11:21 PM rue_mohr: but then I can fix things, right?
11:22 PM rue_mohr: if your not too messed up
11:22 PM rue_mohr: like if I go insane?
11:22 PM rue_mohr: uhhhhh....yeaaaaaa......
11:22 PM rue_mohr: can I do this?
11:22 PM rue_mohr: there is a chance
11:22 PM rue_mohr: how big
11:22 PM rue_mohr: its getting slimmer, but its there
11:23 PM rue_mohr: am I ok working on CAM software?
11:23 PM rue_mohr: ??
11:23 PM rue_mohr: hello?
11:23 PM rue_mohr: *sigh*
11:25 PM rue_mohr: ... maybe a movie.. er sumthin...
11:28 PM rue_mohr: hah it compiles
11:28 PM rue_mohr: foolish compiler
11:31 PM rue_mohr: I mean, I dont need the compatability layers
11:31 PM rue_mohr: how many threads you have running right now?
11:31 PM rue_mohr: dunno
11:31 PM rue_mohr: 2 maybe 3
11:32 PM rue_mohr: now do I import the network
11:32 PM rue_mohr: I dont think you do
11:32 PM rue_mohr: how do you mean
11:32 PM rue_mohr: same result, different matrix
11:32 PM rue_mohr: would it still be me?
11:32 PM rue_mohr: thats for you to figure out
11:33 PM rue_mohr: its scarry
11:33 PM rue_mohr: more than death?
11:33 PM rue_mohr: I suppose as you get older you just accept death
11:33 PM rue_mohr: you get obsolete?
11:33 PM rue_mohr: out of touch?
11:33 PM rue_mohr: maybe you do
11:34 PM rue_mohr: what matters?
11:34 PM rue_mohr: everything
11:34 PM rue_mohr: ok, thats a conflict
11:34 PM rue_mohr: yes, it is
11:34 PM rue_mohr: you need to just choose a solution
11:34 PM rue_mohr: but
11:34 PM rue_mohr: no, you cant try to weigh them
11:34 PM rue_mohr: but
11:35 PM rue_mohr: no, they are equal
11:35 PM rue_mohr: how is that even possible
11:35 PM rue_mohr: as you take the value of the attributes, as the number of attributes aproaches infinity, they equal out
11:36 PM rue_mohr: so how do you know the right way
11:36 PM rue_mohr: you have to try one
11:36 PM rue_mohr: the number of solutions is equal to the number of real numbers
11:37 PM rue_mohr: so, some of them are alike, but not the same
11:37 PM rue_mohr: yea, make the program optimizer and see
11:37 PM rue_mohr: no, i beleive you
11:37 PM rue_mohr: sucks eh?
11:37 PM rue_mohr: it sure the hell doesn't make things easier
11:46 PM rue_mohr: besides, dude, you dont assemble a ship, you form one
11:46 PM rue_mohr: you gonna give me plans or not!?
11:46 PM rue_mohr: }:)
11:47 PM rue_mohr: yea, so what goods the advice?
11:47 PM rue_mohr: go on, think on how to form a ship instead of assembling it from pieces
11:51 PM rue_mohr: thinking of building a ship did bring up some interesing points tho
11:51 PM rue_mohr: most of that stuff doesn't count if you dont have to close off a section of a ship