#robotics Logs
Oct 04 2018
#robotics Calendar
04:39 AM orlock: 19 hours, 57 minutes, 20 seconds to render that file properly
07:10 AM mrdata: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
08:04 AM veverak: somehow configuring that SiK radios is more painfull that expected
08:08 AM orlock: holy shitballs
08:08 AM orlock: the stl is 180 meg
08:34 AM veverak: FUCK
08:34 AM veverak: so
08:34 AM veverak: it seems
08:34 AM veverak: that rpi is able to reset config of the sik radio when both boot at same time
08:35 AM veverak: FML
08:42 AM veverak: so
08:42 AM veverak: I need something that gives power to the sik radio like 1-2s later than to rpi
08:45 AM Tom_L: http://www.ti.com/product/LP3470
08:47 AM Tom_L: http://www.circuitstoday.com/simple-dc-power-delay-circuit
08:47 AM veverak: AWESOME
08:47 AM veverak: !
08:49 AM rue_mohr: if youuse a mosfet you dont get the voltage drop
08:49 AM veverak: yeah
08:50 AM rue_mohr: which implies you might as well push a 555 in there to control it
08:50 AM rue_mohr: a lm555 will do a great job of switching a mosfet
08:50 AM veverak: thought about 555 when I first thought of the problem
08:50 AM veverak: I think I will try to design circuit
08:50 AM rue_mohr: lm555, cap, resistor, mosfet
08:50 AM orlock: rue_mohr: Its purely the threadig that makes that model choke
08:51 AM rue_mohr: orlock, yea, its better to do your own threading
08:51 AM orlock: did you see the render time
08:51 AM rue_mohr: no
08:51 AM orlock: interestingly enough, the "quick" render never finished
08:51 AM rue_mohr: and its polygon city too
08:51 AM orlock: 19 hours, 57 minutes, 20 seconds to render
08:51 AM rue_mohr: huh
08:51 AM rue_mohr: and it didn't crash
08:52 AM rue_mohr: can I help redesign it for ya?
08:52 AM rue_mohr: how much tim you have now
08:52 AM rue_mohr: bad day for me, work morning and I have to get the garbage put out
08:52 AM rue_mohr: but I can make that pretty quick
08:53 AM orlock: nah, it's ok - its purely the threading that's the issue as far as i care right now
08:53 AM orlock: and that doesnt actually even matter currently
08:53 AM orlock: going to do a dry run with just holes, no threads, low infill, etc etc
08:54 AM orlock: just to test the fit of the "main" bit that goes between the mount head and the camera
08:54 AM orlock: Did you get what it's supposed to be?
08:55 AM orlock: Easier if you swap out the threaded sections for cylinders
08:55 AM orlock: comment/uncomment
08:57 AM rue_mohr: cmon answer a few questions, let me try it , show ya what I can do
08:57 AM orlock: sure
08:57 AM rue_mohr: its a sighting jig
08:57 AM orlock: yeah, hanging off a dovetail mount
08:57 AM rue_mohr: file-> new, ok
08:58 AM rue_mohr: the large ring, whats the OD
08:58 AM rue_mohr: mm
08:58 AM rue_mohr: cmon...
08:59 AM orlock: 85od 70id
08:59 AM orlock: sorry was just loading up the source and scrolling down
08:59 AM rue_mohr: yea, sorry, dont know what part is what,
09:00 AM rue_mohr: the "small ring" (bar holders)?
09:00 AM orlock: module scopering()
09:00 AM rue_mohr: id od
09:01 AM orlock: bars?
09:01 AM rue_mohr: the circles on the ring
09:02 AM orlock: 8.5mm and 5
09:03 AM orlock: ther's 2x 8mm holes for rod to be fastened going between rings
09:03 AM orlock: and 3x holes each ring for M5 adjustment bolts
09:04 AM rue_mohr: 8.5 and 5 must be radii?
09:04 AM orlock: d
09:04 AM rue_mohr: ok
09:04 AM orlock: as in M8/M5 metric
09:05 AM rue_mohr: this is the ring on the ring?
09:06 AM rue_mohr: the main ring is 7.5mm thick
09:07 AM rue_mohr: the model you sent me has an ~8mm hole in it
09:07 AM orlock: there's a circle around it
09:08 AM rue_mohr: 8O
09:08 AM rue_mohr: the big ring, to the right, and 75/80 dia yes?
09:08 AM rue_mohr: the little rings, on the left, are 8.5mm/5mm
09:10 AM orlock: eh hold on
09:11 AM rue_mohr: trying to quick and add some colors to identify parts
09:13 AM orlock: https://pastebin.com/r5aBA6Xw
09:14 AM orlock: same part mirrored, right?
09:14 AM rue_mohr: less need to mirror it
09:14 AM orlock: thats two rings-with-holes-and-bases
09:14 AM rue_mohr: 85-70 !=15 thick
09:15 AM orlock: depth might be a better word
09:15 AM rue_mohr: ah
09:15 AM rue_mohr: ok
09:16 AM orlock: difference() {
09:16 AM orlock: cylinder(h=ring_thickness,d=ring_outer);
09:16 AM orlock: translate([0,0,-.5]) cylinder(h=ring_thickness+1,d=ring_inner);
09:16 AM orlock: that translate and thickness+1
09:16 AM orlock: is to get rid of an annoying visual glitch
09:17 AM rue_mohr: the stabilizer hole is 0.5mm larger than the stabalizer
09:17 AM rue_mohr: your gonna create a black hole
09:17 AM rue_mohr: cause thats antimatter
09:18 AM rue_mohr: let me try to push on
09:18 AM rue_mohr: the block that holds the rings, whats that called
09:18 AM rue_mohr: I cant find it by color
09:19 AM rue_mohr: the front plate sits in it
09:19 AM orlock: yeah just trying to find it
09:19 AM orlock: should be the only cube thats not commented heh
09:20 AM orlock: module scopering() translate([-25,-67,0]) cube([50,33,50]);
09:20 AM orlock: few lines before the end
09:20 AM rue_mohr: I think the vrsion you gave me is old now
09:21 AM rue_mohr: ... 50x50x33?
09:21 AM rue_mohr: wtf...
09:21 AM orlock: it's a few lines from the end of module scopering()
09:21 AM orlock: ah, yes - after the render
09:21 AM orlock: i saw a bug
09:22 AM orlock: tweaked the size of that cube a bit
09:24 AM rue_mohr: oh.... but why...
09:24 AM rue_mohr: so its really 50x100x33
09:24 AM orlock: no
09:24 AM orlock: it's 2 parts!
09:24 AM rue_mohr: cause youhave two of them
09:24 AM rue_mohr: whats the final depth? (~100)
09:25 AM orlock: yes
09:26 AM rue_mohr: :( I'm out of time right NOW
09:26 AM rue_mohr: I'll hit this up when back from work
09:27 AM rue_mohr: there are still numbers that didn't add up right
09:27 AM orlock: If you want to, but seriously, there's no need
09:27 AM rue_mohr: I want to!
09:27 AM orlock: you can do better things with your time
09:27 AM rue_mohr: if nothing more than to show you how I would do it
09:27 AM orlock: ok
09:27 AM orlock: that i understand
09:27 AM orlock: thankyou
09:29 AM rue_mohr: hey, your gonna rint this?
09:29 AM rue_mohr: cause there is no bottom
09:29 AM orlock: yeah
09:29 AM rue_mohr: ok
09:29 AM orlock: it prints as a bing with the base sticking up
09:30 AM rue_mohr: and the grain needs to be... that way....
09:30 AM orlock: big ring
09:30 AM orlock: ring is flat, base sticks up, 3x M8 threaded bolts hold them together
09:30 AM rue_mohr: I can make kickass built in support
09:31 AM orlock: i cant just use 2 of the same part
09:31 AM orlock: as the dovetail that they bolt onto is not symmetrical
09:31 AM rue_mohr: np, back in 9 hours...
09:32 AM orlock: nw
09:32 AM orlock: have fun
11:35 AM LuminaxWk is now known as Luminax
06:56 PM rue_mohr: orlock, how much more hours ya got left?
08:12 PM _unreal_: rue_mohr, I forget do you do arduino programming?
08:14 PM rue_mohr: only if forced
08:16 PM Tom_L: :)
08:21 PM rue_shop4: is orlock asleep, dead, or asleep
08:21 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, the parts on its way
08:22 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, might be a good thing you didn't jump in, it looks like the attempted transaction with africa locked out the company credit card
08:22 PM rue_shop4: the boss will be back tommorow and we can get it going again, but *arg*
08:22 PM rue_shop4: used my personal card to get it
08:23 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, Tom_L so, I have a signal wire just outside the shop from the driveway, for the visitor notifier
08:23 PM rue_shop4: not sure how I want to take it somewhere
08:23 PM rue_shop4: and not sure where to go with it
08:25 PM rue_shop4: arg, I'm trying to fall asleep again
08:25 PM Tom_L: vary it depending if it's day or night or not home etc
08:29 PM Tom_shop: test
08:29 PM Tom_shop: guess i fixed this one..
08:32 PM Tom_L: guess Mr Sandman got rue
08:33 PM rue_shop4: no I was winterizing faucets
08:33 PM rue_shop4: my feet are frozen
08:33 PM Tom_L: yeah it turned cold here today too
08:33 PM Tom_L: not like your cold but cool
08:33 PM rue_shop4: hahah
08:34 PM rue_shop4: its 8.5c out
08:34 PM rue_shop4: hard to be in bare feet
08:34 PM Tom_L: supposed to rain next several days
08:34 PM rue_shop4: I'm promized that saturday morning will be ok
08:34 PM Tom_L: what's the difference in a deb and a rip?
08:35 PM rue_shop4: deb is for debian, rip is for jeans
08:35 PM rue_shop4: geans...
08:35 PM Tom_L: fair nuf
08:35 PM Tom_L: jeans
08:35 PM rue_shop4: j, going with j
08:36 PM rue_shop4: so, as I studdy nural networks, I'm realizing that we are not complex
08:36 PM Tom_L: single d
08:36 PM rue_shop4: interface error
08:36 PM Tom_L: we are complex
08:36 PM rue_shop4: its pretty warm in the shop
08:36 PM Tom_L: or complicated at least
08:36 PM rue_shop4: not mentally
08:36 PM Tom_L: confused at best
08:36 PM rue_shop4: chemically, sure.
08:37 PM rue_shop4: all the things _I_ thought made us amazing are explained
08:37 PM rue_shop4: *sigh*
08:37 PM Tom_L: thanks to those that went before
08:37 PM rue_shop4: that said, I still dont have a working tensor flow system to play with
08:38 PM zhanx: rue_shop4, what?
08:38 PM rue_shop4: it looks like they want to insall a vm and lots of other stuff
08:38 PM rue_shop4: to the point where it looks like there are pre-canned system images
08:38 PM zhanx: tensor flow needs a dedicated machine
08:38 PM rue_shop4: WHY!?
08:38 PM rue_shop4: thats stupid
08:39 PM zhanx: it is
08:39 PM zhanx: but
08:39 PM zhanx: who else is gonna foobar a machine like that for normal use
08:39 PM rue_shop4: did they really pile that much bloatware?
08:39 PM zhanx: yep
08:39 PM rue_shop4: ugh
08:39 PM zhanx: I got an 500gb hd around here somewhere with it on it
08:39 PM rue_shop4: I'm close to writing my own
08:40 PM zhanx: I got fed up with it
08:40 PM rue_shop4: the ugly parts is the training part
08:40 PM zhanx: yep
08:41 PM zhanx: man tomorrow is 99% windshield time ugh
08:41 PM rue_shop4: from what I can tell "tensor flow" -> tensor + "flow" the tensor is a math library, for matrix stuff
08:41 PM Tom_L: TensorFlow is an open-source software library for dataflow programming across a range of tasks. It is a symbolic math library, and is also used for machine learning applications such as neural networks.
08:41 PM zhanx: and they used the kitchen sink to glue it together
08:42 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, yea, that shows
08:42 PM Tom_L: google uses it
08:42 PM rue_shop4: and a few lawn chairs, and some duct tape
08:42 PM zhanx: well they also run top of the line hardware Tom_L
08:43 PM rue_shop4: and then they started stacking stuff on top, so they could do things with it
08:43 PM zhanx: ok shop cleaned I am I made a stand to hold the body of my biped
08:43 PM rue_shop4: nice
08:43 PM Tom_L: rue_shop4, maybe you should get a job at google
08:43 PM rue_shop4: hows the printer?
08:43 PM Tom_L: then you could play alot
08:44 PM rue_shop4: na
08:44 PM zhanx: rue_shop4, they used the kitchen sink, stacked a lawn chair on top of it, reached the gutters and added in crap
08:44 PM zhanx: printer is good, still need to tweak it a little bit more
08:44 PM Tom_L: z did you test any of the old parts you replaced?
08:45 PM rue_shop4: and then wrapped it with an OS that makes it analogous to a tower of cobbled togethor stuff thats the height of the seattle tower
08:45 PM Tom_L: you decided it was the fan though right?
08:45 PM zhanx: not all of them, I have them all put aside to test
08:45 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, pictures!
08:45 PM rue_shop4: I want to send you upgrades
08:45 PM rue_shop4: and suggest junk
08:45 PM zhanx: i broke my positive lead on the multi so I have to wait for new leads
08:45 PM zhanx: k
08:45 PM zhanx: wait pictures of ?
08:46 PM rue_shop4: printer
08:46 PM rue_shop4: you can show me your stand too
08:46 PM zhanx: stand? its on my work bench now
08:46 PM zhanx: I moved the 55" tv to the kids room
08:47 PM rue_shop4: show me anything you want
08:47 PM zhanx: k
08:47 PM rue_shop4: trying to stay awake
08:47 PM zhanx: I will dump you some tomorrow if i get the chance, working on the code for the halloween lights
08:47 PM rue_shop4: if the text doesn't change, I cant tell if my eyes are open or not
08:47 PM * Tom_L gets the sheep ready for rue to count
08:48 PM rue_shop4: no no
08:48 PM rue_shop4: I dont wan tto sleep
08:48 PM rue_shop4: I have a list...
08:48 PM rue_shop4: I can pick something...
08:48 PM rue_shop4: "house solar"
08:48 PM rue_shop4: no, no screw that
08:48 PM rue_shop4: "parts washer"
08:48 PM Tom_L: winter heat plan
08:48 PM * rue_shop4 looks outside
08:48 PM zhanx: i need more solar panels can't find any used
08:48 PM rue_shop4: yea, screw the parts washer
08:49 PM zhanx: i love 1000w of solar
08:49 PM Tom_L: 12v?
08:49 PM zhanx: yep
08:49 PM Tom_L: do you convert it to ac?
08:50 PM zhanx: I need to change the circuit the mini fridge is on, when it kicks off it messes up my usb to the laptop
08:50 PM rue_shop4: damnit, it broke the bit again
08:50 PM zhanx: Tom_L, some, most of it is lighting or powering dc stuff
08:50 PM Tom_L: rue_shop4, you gonna run outta bits soon
08:51 PM Tom_L: i wanna get a couple more
08:51 PM rue_shop4: ARG
08:51 PM Tom_L: a bigger one and one to replace the one i broke
08:51 PM zhanx: i have 100w's I would love 1000w's
08:51 PM zhanx: damn mini fridge is unplugged now
08:51 PM rue_shop4: we dont have amny bits left for doing these sprayers
08:51 PM rue_shop4: the one broke cause of hte motor
08:52 PM rue_shop4: then it broke one doing a profile
08:52 PM rue_shop4: I restarted it and it just broke agian
08:52 PM Tom_L: did you decide my part wasn't feasable?
08:52 PM zhanx: feed rate is too high?
08:52 PM Tom_L: too much wobble in the spindle
08:52 PM zhanx: k
08:52 PM Tom_L: i'm guessing
08:53 PM Tom_L: mine breaking was my fault
08:53 PM Tom_L: mis calculated
08:53 PM Tom_L: won't happen twice
08:54 PM Tom_L: z you saw the threadmill didn't you?
08:55 PM zhanx: i did
08:58 PM rue_shop4: 1mm 1 flute bit
08:58 PM rue_shop4: feed rate is not too high
08:58 PM Tom_L: 1flute!!
08:58 PM rue_shop4: something is ... I dont know, this was never happening
08:59 PM rue_shop4: Tom_L, were wrestling with a bunch of things
08:59 PM rue_shop4: spindle is solid tho
08:59 PM rue_shop4: just put a 1mm pcb drill in there, the profile thats cut is clean, see how it does
08:59 PM rue_shop4: orlock, waaaakeee uuuuuup...
09:00 PM rue_shop4: frustration enzymes are not a good way to stay warm
09:00 PM rue_shop4: out of tea again
09:00 PM rue_shop4: I need a 1L tea mug in the size of the regular 1.5 cup mug
09:01 PM rue_shop4: 1mm pcb drill, at 6400 rpm
09:01 PM rue_shop4: with 0.2mm passes
09:01 PM rue_shop4: at 11mm/min
09:02 PM rue_shop4: carbide and marine aluminum
09:02 PM rue_shop4: no lube, air puffer to clear chips
09:04 PM Tom_L: that's .00003" per tooth
09:04 PM Tom_L: that's about the size of a 1/32" bit right?
09:05 PM Tom_L: tiny bit bigger
09:05 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/tmp/videdit# units 1mm inch
09:05 PM rue_mohr: * 0.039370079
09:05 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/tmp/videdit# fraction 0.0394
09:05 PM rue_mohr: Best Match for 0.039400, is 3/64 (0.046875)
09:05 PM rue_mohr: Error is -0.007475
09:06 PM Tom_L: i don't think they make mill cutters in /64ths
09:06 PM rue_mohr: no, its closer to 1mm
09:06 PM rue_mohr: :)
09:07 PM Tom_L: .03125" - 4000 rpm - 4 ipm - .0005 ipt
09:08 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/tmp/videdit# units 4inch/min mm/min
09:08 PM rue_mohr: * 101.6
09:08 PM rue_mohr: I'm so far in the clear its not funny
09:08 PM rue_mohr: the bit should be wearing out if anything
09:08 PM rue_mohr: I can take the rpm to 12500
09:08 PM Tom_L: but that _could_ be the problem if it's going so slow it's gaulding the cutter edge
09:09 PM rue_mohr: but there is a point where the heat becomes a problem
09:09 PM Tom_L: ^^
09:09 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, yea
09:09 PM rue_mohr: I dont think it is, a few times I heard it try to bite into one of the corners
09:09 PM rue_mohr: and thats where it broke
09:09 PM Tom_L: it took me a bit to find the happy spot for my cutters
09:10 PM Tom_L: you really need 2 flutes
09:10 PM rue_mohr: if I have the NRG I might get your help you play with my speeds/feeds again
09:10 PM rue_mohr: I'm using a 2 flue spiral pcb drill
09:10 PM rue_mohr: *this* time
09:10 PM rue_mohr: see how it goes
09:10 PM rue_mohr: but their kinda long
09:10 PM rue_mohr: ORLOCK
09:10 PM Tom_L: long is bad
09:11 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:11 PM rue_mohr: also, the cam software does a direct down dive on the bits
09:11 PM rue_mohr: it doesn't ease them in w/ pattern
09:12 PM rue_mohr: so, I could see the 1 flue hating that
09:12 PM Tom_L: NGR?
09:12 PM rue_mohr: the design your working on has not been abandoned
09:12 PM rue_mohr: or sorry, NRG
09:13 PM rue_mohr: eNeRGy
09:13 PM rue_mohr: ;)
09:13 PM Tom_L: oh
09:14 PM rue_mohr: I was crawling around in an attic for about half the day
09:14 PM Tom_L: i do plunge cuts with mine too but i have all center cutting endmills
09:14 PM Tom_L: they are made to take it
09:14 PM Tom_L: but
09:14 PM rue_mohr: but it was a 7/10 attic
09:14 PM Tom_L: i do that at half the normal speed
09:14 PM Tom_L: automatically in the post that way
09:14 PM rue_mohr: I think that a nural network is the solution to make my device that repeats things to people
09:15 PM Tom_L: at least the attic wasn't 100+ F degrees
09:15 PM rue_mohr: no, but I was sweatting pretty good
09:15 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, I pulled 3 wires like 100 feet!!! :)
09:15 PM rue_mohr: and drilled 5 holes, and put up about 30 hangers...
09:16 PM Tom_L: before lunch?
09:16 PM rue_mohr: just about
09:16 PM Tom_L: :)
09:16 PM rue_mohr: after lunch had a few extra hangers and holes to finish
09:16 PM rue_mohr: the stupid drill battery died in the last hole
09:16 PM rue_mohr: *IN*
09:17 PM rue_mohr: it got the shamefull treatment of being left in the hole while its battery was taken away and recharged
09:17 PM rue_mohr: over lunch
09:17 PM Tom_L: they should make a juice pack like they have for phones for those
09:17 PM rue_mohr: if it was a good battery, it'd have been ok
09:17 PM rue_mohr: its like 4 years old
09:18 PM Tom_L: what brand of drills do you use?
09:18 PM rue_mohr: not much left of them after that long in trade work
09:18 PM rue_mohr: its a makita,
09:18 PM rue_mohr: its never been a good one
09:19 PM Tom_L: i've got a makita sawzall
09:19 PM rue_mohr: the 2 fastest gears stripped, the speed controller died
09:19 PM Tom_L: i like it but it's plugin
09:19 PM rue_mohr: and it was designed with so much torque
09:19 PM rue_mohr: the case sheers and locks the trigger on
09:19 PM Tom_L: i had a riobi drill that i liked but i abandoned it after the battery gave up
09:19 PM rue_mohr: so, if your hand it trapped in it
09:19 PM rue_mohr: while it starts to burn up
09:19 PM Tom_L: the yellow ones i don't like so much
09:20 PM rue_mohr: cause the trigger is stuck on while its crushing your hand and starting to catch fire
09:20 PM Tom_L: milwaulkee seem ok
09:21 PM rue_mohr: yea, the kit I got for the shop is milwalkie 12V, its nice
09:21 PM rue_mohr: they have a overload cutout
09:21 PM rue_mohr: thats set to 'reasonably high'
09:21 PM rue_mohr: aka, its not annoying
09:21 PM Tom_L: got a milwaulkee angle grinder
09:21 PM Tom_L: had it for years with no issues
09:21 PM Tom_L: 15" wheels
09:21 PM rue_mohr: I just get cheapo ones
09:22 PM Tom_L: for buffing
09:22 PM rue_mohr: load the gearboxes with heavy oil, and go for it
09:22 PM rue_mohr: one lost a gear tooth tho
09:23 PM rue_mohr: and one of the dremels developed a shorted winding, couldn't see anything physically
09:23 PM Tom_L: i've burned up several of those
09:23 PM rue_mohr: I dont get the genuine ones
09:23 PM rue_mohr: they suck
09:23 PM rue_mohr: (the old ones didn't suck)
09:24 PM rue_mohr: when a speed controller died on one, they said the warranty wasn't valid cause I was in canada
09:24 PM rue_mohr: :((
09:24 PM Tom_L: i had one of those and finally gave up fixing it
09:24 PM rue_mohr: it took 11 months for that to come back with that answer
09:25 PM rue_mohr: I ahve one working genuine dremel, its controller is bypassed
09:25 PM rue_mohr: plug in = full speed
09:25 PM Tom_L: heh
09:25 PM Tom_L: i've got one i dont use alot
09:25 PM Tom_L: still in good shape
09:26 PM rue_mohr: I have a knockoff thats great
09:26 PM Tom_L: used the 4.5" angle grinder on most of my mill cutting
09:26 PM rue_mohr: ORLOCK
09:27 PM Tom_L: what do you use for attic light?
09:27 PM Tom_L: i've got one of those head things i use sometimes if i need both hands
09:27 PM rue_mohr: they had a spotlight in this one
09:28 PM Tom_L: i put lights in both of mine
09:28 PM rue_mohr: otherwise, led flashlight
09:28 PM Tom_L: no headband?
09:28 PM rue_mohr: na, I hate those
09:28 PM rue_mohr: in general I dont like things on me
09:28 PM Tom_L: alot of times i need both hands. i like em for that
09:29 PM rue_mohr: I have a habbit of emptying all the stuff off me that I'm about to need
09:51 PM flav0r: hobbit
09:52 PM * rue_mohr wonders if flav0r needs a reboot
09:52 PM Tom_L: rue do you have any collets for your mill?
09:52 PM Tom_L: what was that spindle you made?
09:53 PM rue_mohr: I used a china collette chuck
09:53 PM rue_mohr: 13 I think?
09:53 PM Tom_L: er13?
09:53 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:53 PM rue_mohr: iirc
09:53 PM Tom_L: that's tiny
09:53 PM Tom_L: isn't it?
09:53 PM rue_mohr: I got a 1/8 and 1/4" collette for it
09:53 PM rue_mohr: ?
09:53 PM rue_mohr: its pretty small
09:53 PM Tom_L: ok
09:53 PM rue_mohr: but its meant to be a high rpm, low towrqe machine
09:54 PM rue_mohr: the one for the next mill isl ike a 30
09:54 PM Tom_L: you built the head right?
09:54 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:54 PM Tom_L: just bought the collet holder..
09:54 PM rue_mohr: its a ... 1/2" iron T welded to a plate , with a turned hole for high speed bearings
09:54 PM Tom_L: i'm thinking er20 or er32
09:54 PM zhanx: ok printers all torn down
09:55 PM Tom_L: where'd you get the bearings?
09:55 PM rue_mohr: maybe its 20 I got, its a got a full on tapen chuck
09:55 PM rue_mohr: well, the skatebroard bearings didn't work out
09:55 PM rue_mohr: and before the real high speed ones came in
09:55 PM zhanx: i have a bunch of 6mm rod now
09:55 PM rue_mohr: I'd put some large hard drive bearings in there, and they are still holding
09:55 PM rue_mohr: iirc, the shaft is 8mm
09:55 PM Tom_L: huh
09:55 PM rue_mohr: I know
09:56 PM rue_mohr: no play in the plastic adapters for the bearings
09:56 PM rue_mohr: I have real high speed good bearings in the parts box for the new cnc
09:56 PM rue_mohr: but its going to get a taper chuck
09:56 PM rue_mohr: and funny enough, iirc the taper in that drillrpess I got for parts matches
09:57 PM rue_mohr: so I just need to figure out a retainer
09:57 PM Tom_L: where'd you get em?
09:57 PM rue_mohr: china
09:57 PM rue_mohr: er, the drillpress?
09:57 PM Tom_itx: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1-ER32-100L-Straight-Shank-ER-Collet-Chuck-Collet-Chuck-Tool-Holder-/252697828201
09:58 PM rue_mohr: hmm, no cnc5 directory on the server yet
09:58 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, I have enough 6mm smooth rod to make another printer now
09:58 PM rue_mohr: no I got a taper
09:58 PM Tom_L: what'd the taper go into?
09:58 PM Tom_L: i can't cut a taper on my lathe
09:59 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1090122.jpg <-- damn that looks like fun
10:00 PM rue_mohr: "I still havn't found what I'm looking for"
10:00 PM rue_mohr: (stand by)
10:06 PM rue_mohr: I just went thru 2 years of iamges and cant find it
10:06 PM rue_mohr: Iw as shore I took a picture
10:06 PM zhanx: maybe the computer ate it
10:06 PM rue_mohr: well, ahve to turn the shop lights off anyhow
10:11 PM rue_mohr: MT2-ER16
10:12 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc5/p1100754.jpg
10:13 PM Tom_L: what's the rusted bar?
10:14 PM Tom_L: hmm... i wonder if my little collet holder has a collet to fit this cutter..
10:14 PM zhanx: source for lock jaw
10:14 PM Tom_L: i've got a precision valenite one but it's tiny
10:15 PM Tom_L: time to investigate...
10:15 PM rue_mohr: its the metal I was going to make a taper reciever from
10:16 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc5/p1100753.jpg
10:16 PM rue_mohr: the grease rings in it are too big
10:16 PM rue_mohr: but that drillpress I got has a Mt2 on it
10:17 PM rue_mohr: so that collette holder fits
10:17 PM rue_mohr: and its got a slot of a knockout wedge, so, I MIGHT be able to rig soemthing to act as a retainer
10:18 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc4/p1100745.jpg
10:18 PM rue_mohr: ahhaha this week we will be slowly panning across the work bench
10:19 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc5/p1100753.jpg
10:20 PM rue_mohr: orlock,
10:20 PM rue_mohr: I dont want supper
10:20 PM rue_mohr: dont wanna cook it, dont wanna eat it
10:20 PM rue_mohr: ARG
10:23 PM rue_mohr: I hav to eat something and it cant just be junk cause I'd just get hungry later
10:24 PM rue_mohr: the floor is cold and I do not want to turn on the furnace
10:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cutter/valenite_holder1.jpg
10:33 PM Tom_L: yay i've got a 1/4" collet for that
10:33 PM Tom_L: i wish i had a 3/16 one
10:34 PM rue_mohr: make one on the lathe
10:34 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure where to get collets for it now
10:34 PM rue_mohr: send me spec, I'll make one
10:34 PM rue_mohr: cant harden it, but I can make it
10:34 PM rue_mohr: start drawing
10:35 PM rue_mohr: and I dont mean pulling on metal
10:35 PM zhanx: i has hammer i can harden it
10:35 PM rue_mohr: heh
10:35 PM zhanx: hopefully next month I get to make my forge / metal heater
10:35 PM rue_mohr: gee, a faster answer would have beeen nice
10:36 PM rue_mohr: owe ya anyhow tom
10:36 PM rue_mohr: cmon
10:36 PM Tom_L: i'm looking
10:36 PM rue_mohr: just measure
10:36 PM rue_mohr: you got the stuff
10:36 PM Tom_L: it's a valenite ven 0500 holder
10:36 PM rue_mohr: measure, draw
10:36 PM Tom_L: we used them for small drills etc
10:37 PM rue_mohr: you'llhave it in 10 mins
10:37 PM Tom_L: not tonight
10:37 PM Tom_L: all the tools are out in the garage
10:37 PM rue_mohr: I can sneak up on it and get the hole really good
10:37 PM zhanx: just imagine how dangerous i can be when i can cast metal
10:38 PM rue_mohr: :)
10:38 PM rue_mohr: I want to see how your casting goes
10:38 PM rue_mohr: I'm still working on it
10:38 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, but I want to see yer printer so I can see what bones I can throw ya
10:38 PM zhanx: I learned to cast in the army of all places, so i am ok at it
10:38 PM zhanx: k
10:38 PM rue_mohr: !?
10:39 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, really it looks the same as last time
10:39 PM rue_mohr: wtf they do casting for there?
10:39 PM rue_mohr: part of generic schooling?
10:39 PM zhanx: nope
10:39 PM zhanx: i did lost wax
10:39 PM rue_mohr: mmm wax printer
10:39 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, I need to see to suggest
10:39 PM zhanx: k
10:39 PM rue_mohr: I have a heap tonne of upgrade stuff
10:40 PM rue_mohr: I'll try to sell you on it all
10:40 PM Tom_L: i wonder if those are ER11
10:40 PM rue_mohr: I'm gettin so borderline on sparking up that gas furnace
10:40 PM zhanx: i did last night rue it was 41F
10:40 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, collette drawing tommorow?
10:41 PM rue_mohr: its 6.5c out now
10:41 PM Tom_L: possibly
10:41 PM rue_mohr: my room is 16c and I'm not liking it
10:41 PM Tom_L: it's a double angle collet i know
10:41 PM rue_mohr: grab me the outside profile
10:42 PM rue_mohr: 4 slots/end
10:42 PM rue_mohr: and 3.16, so thats easy
10:42 PM Tom_L: i know those were not cheap even way back when i got it
10:42 PM zhanx: close enough rue_mohr heat is nice, Its 22c in my shop now the I insulated it and added plastic
10:42 PM rue_mohr: its only about an hour or so
10:42 PM Tom_L: so i've got a .125 and a .250 collet for it
10:42 PM zhanx: well 21.8c but close enough
10:44 PM Tom_itx: https://picclick.com/VALENITE-Double-Angle-Collet-DA18-11-64-312201514019.html
10:44 PM zhanx: oddly i did them thermo probe I thought to display in Freedom units but its displaying canadain ones
10:44 PM Tom_itx: VEN 0500 is the holder model
10:45 PM rue_mohr: ugh no, hit it witht eh callipers and boof me a sketch
10:45 PM zhanx: its a cone
10:45 PM Tom_L: i will but i'm trying to find official dimensions
10:45 PM rue_mohr: want to know things like bevel size
10:45 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, what king defined the current foot?
10:45 PM Tom_L: i'll get it all when i get it
10:46 PM zhanx: roman not king
10:46 PM Tom_L: i'll see if the collet has a number on it tomorrow
10:47 PM rue_mohr: sure it wasn't king henry?
10:48 PM zhanx: what did he base it off
10:48 PM rue_mohr: http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/king-henrys-foot.jpg
10:48 PM rue_mohr: I'm just guessing
10:48 PM zhanx: heck road width is still dictated by roman chariots
10:49 PM rue_mohr: yea, and train tracks
10:50 PM zhanx: which is funny as they were tiny compared to us today
10:51 PM rue_mohr: he was bluffing, hsi foot needed to be bigger than the last guy
10:52 PM zhanx: its like asking why a pint in germany is 20% larger than a pint in england
10:53 PM Tom_itx: ok rue
10:53 PM Tom_itx: front angle is 45 deg, rear angle is 30 deg
10:53 PM rue_mohr: mhm
10:53 PM rue_mohr: is that the big end?
10:54 PM Tom_itx: 1" overall length
10:54 PM Tom_itx: .300" OD, .373" OD for the 2
10:55 PM Tom_itx: the first angle starts at .392" in from the end
10:55 PM Tom_itx: the 30 degree one
10:56 PM Tom_itx: end angle (45) is ~.063" from end
10:57 PM Tom_itx: 30 deg is ~ .080" wide
10:58 PM Tom_itx: cylinder between them is ~ .230" long
10:59 PM Tom_itx: http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/DA_Collet.html
10:59 PM Tom_itx: approximate to the DA300 there
11:01 PM rue_mohr: DA collets may be successfully employed for most routine applications, except milling.
11:01 PM rue_mohr: ?
11:01 PM Tom_itx: i'm aware of that
11:02 PM rue_mohr: ok
11:02 PM Tom_itx: we used them for drilling
11:02 PM rue_mohr: so
11:02 PM Tom_itx: these little thread cutters have very little side load
11:03 PM Tom_itx: the not given dimensions there are ~.380" from end to the end of the last taper
11:03 PM rue_mohr: if you consider the transition to be down ebtween D1 and D2, how long would D2 be before being beveled
11:03 PM Tom_itx: the end taper is 45 deg, the middle taper is 30 deg
11:04 PM Tom_itx: the start of the 30 deg is ~ .290"
11:04 PM Tom_itx: from the end
11:05 PM Tom_itx: mine are wider than that picture shows
11:05 PM rue_mohr: where is the end from the end
11:05 PM Tom_itx: visual..
11:05 PM Tom_itx: right end from that picture
11:05 PM Tom_itx: the larger OD is longer on mine than what's visual there
11:05 PM rue_mohr: are both ends 45?
11:06 PM Tom_itx: right most is 45, the one midway is 30 deg
11:06 PM rue_mohr: the left most?
11:06 PM Tom_itx: oh, i don't think the small end matters
11:06 PM Tom_itx: but it would be a 45 i'm pretty sure
11:06 PM rue_mohr: so 45 on the ends and 30 on the middle
11:06 PM Tom_itx: you got it
11:07 PM Tom_itx: i can get some, i just never bothered to find out what they were
11:08 PM Tom_itx: those were mainly used for drill extensions in deep access holes
11:08 PM Tom_itx: but my sherline isn't gonna load it that much
11:10 PM Tom_itx: http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/store/agora.cgi?user2=yes&p_id=19582&xm=on&ppinc=1a
11:10 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1100755.jpg
11:10 PM rue_mohr: yes?
11:10 PM Tom_itx: that's a better visual of the actual size
11:10 PM zhanx: fyi Tom_itx I hate you now
11:10 PM Tom_itx: how come?
11:11 PM zhanx: you showed my tools-n-gizmos
11:11 PM zhanx: me
11:11 PM rue_mohr: for nto sending him encoder wheels directly??
11:11 PM Tom_itx: awesome !
11:11 PM zhanx: I am gonna spend too much money there
11:11 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1100755.jpg
11:11 PM Tom_itx: pretty close rue
11:11 PM rue_mohr: mmmmm!!^^^^
11:11 PM zhanx: you are enabling me
11:11 PM rue_mohr: pretty close?!
11:12 PM Tom_itx: within a gnat's arse i'd guess
11:12 PM rue_mohr: the .380 is the only questionable part
11:12 PM Tom_itx: that's as close as i can measure it from here
11:13 PM rue_mohr: that is to say, more questionable than my sloppy drafting techniques
11:13 PM Tom_itx: the left end chamfer is less than the right end
11:14 PM Tom_itx: just enough to break the edge on the left end
11:15 PM Tom_itx: zhanx, i could have posted the valenite site... it's way more $$$$
11:15 PM zhanx: please don't
11:16 PM Tom_itx: their tooling is expensive
11:16 PM Tom_itx: but it's nice
11:16 PM zhanx: i only have 5 grand to outfit my workshop
11:16 PM Tom_itx: i could burn thru that in a hurry :)
11:17 PM zhanx: between the printer and insulation etc I am
11:21 PM rue_mohr: pictues z, picstures
11:21 PM zhanx: tomorrow you can request anyone you want
11:22 PM zhanx: I am looking at this w/o for tomorrow for the demarcation line
11:22 PM rue_mohr: to or from
11:22 PM rue_mohr: hmm that question dosn't make sense
11:22 PM zhanx: it does to me
11:24 PM rue_mohr: here, the service providers can be slow
11:24 PM zhanx: and weirdly last mile said its fine
11:24 PM zhanx: IT guy sucks i guess
11:24 PM rue_mohr: so , instead of waitng for them to provide and line and put a demarc tag on it, I install the jack and put a reverse demarc tag on it
11:24 PM rue_mohr: "new jack 604 555 1024"
11:24 PM zhanx: yea I will have to see whats going on
11:26 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, really this looks like, umm its broke please come fix it for us
11:26 PM rue_mohr: are you making a wifi coffeemaker too?
11:26 PM zhanx: already did
11:26 PM zhanx: wife gave it the the inlaws
11:26 PM rue_mohr: ARG
11:26 PM rue_mohr: too hard to set the date/time?
11:27 PM zhanx: no she is lazier than that
11:27 PM rue_mohr: bets the inlaws threw it out...
11:27 PM zhanx: too hard to fill it
11:27 PM zhanx: nope they love it
11:27 PM rue_mohr: huh
11:27 PM rue_mohr: happy ending is good!
11:27 PM rue_mohr: so i need to make a webpage for it
11:28 PM zhanx: they make coffee at 3:30 in the morning that is the only that got me
11:28 PM rue_mohr: what did you use?
11:28 PM zhanx: edsp8266 and a 110v relay setup
11:28 PM rue_mohr: oh, no internal timer?
11:28 PM zhanx: ntp based
11:29 PM rue_mohr: awe, you got ntp on a 8266?
11:29 PM zhanx: and gmail custom
11:29 PM rue_mohr: this supper is a disaster
11:30 PM rue_mohr: I dont want to eat it, so I'm skarfing it, into my lungs, where I then proceed to expell it out my nose...
11:30 PM rue_mohr: I HATE EATING FOOD
11:30 PM rue_mohr: FOR SUPPER, I WANT TO BE A ROBOT
11:31 PM rue_mohr: ok, try this again..
11:31 PM rue_mohr: you would think after this long, eating wouldn't be a challange
11:38 PM rue_mohr: after the neural network tutorials, I'm able to understand so much more my myself
11:38 PM rue_mohr: more of myself
11:38 PM rue_mohr: one day, maybe even enough toknow whats wrong
11:45 PM rue_mohr: orlock, for the record, this would go much faster if I knew your design specs, I'm conforming to lots of things I dont think are important, and I'm doing it via reverse engineering
11:46 PM rue_mohr: otherwise, I'd be done by now...
11:46 PM rue_mohr: oh and orlock
11:47 PM rue_mohr: the trick with threads is to model the screw seperatly, and use the resulting stl on a csg subtract
11:47 PM rue_mohr: I forgot about that this morning
11:47 PM rue_mohr: see my hose cap
11:47 PM rue_mohr: (thingivese)
11:51 PM rue_mohr: widewidth/2-side_boltdepth
11:51 PM rue_mohr: your a trusting coder!
11:55 PM rue_mohr: ok, 6 holes left
11:58 PM rue_mohr: I'm gonna guess its M56
11:58 PM rue_mohr: M5 even
11:59 PM rue_mohr: and I'm going to guess the capture is actaully designed wrong
11:59 PM rue_mohr: so, lets see
11:59 PM rue_mohr: if I measure my nuts...