#robotics Logs
Sep 23 2018
#robotics Calendar
01:46 AM flav0r: HEEEY
05:57 AM Tom_L: no it does a full arc
11:35 AM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ultra-compact-photoelectric-sensor-groove-coupler-Groove-beam-photoelectric-switches-photoelectric-eye-GP1S094/32653009349.html
11:36 AM rue_mohr: those actaully ARE the sensors I'm using
12:02 PM Tom_L: focal length seems kinda big
12:13 PM Tom_L: kindif a pleasure to solder on an old MB that actually uses lead solder :)
12:13 PM rue_mohr: hah they have a wheel spec in the pdf
12:13 PM rue_mohr: heh
12:14 PM rue_mohr: I'll see if I can post the pics of it and finish it up
12:50 PM rue_bed: HMM
12:51 PM rue_bed: i suppose the jukebox could use raid 1 across 2 usb sticks for the music storage
12:51 PM rue_bed: its just on a single stick right now
12:51 PM rue_bed: some of the songs seem to be going funny
12:52 PM rue_bed: hmm breakfast, try my neuron circuit
12:53 PM rue_bed: hmm
12:53 PM rue_bed: I have a large robot arm thats taking up a bit too much space
12:54 PM rue_bed: ah and I had a new idea for hte house plan
12:54 PM rue_bed: fix everything wrong with the layout of this house
12:54 PM rue_bed: instead of something from scratch
12:55 PM rue_bed: so, remove a wall, move the furnas, move the laundry room, fix the kitchen layout, make the hall wider
12:55 PM rue_bed: move the bathroom
12:59 PM Tom_L: ok it boots right up now. i guess time will tell if it's fixed
12:59 PM Tom_L: hit all the disk connectors with the iron
01:01 PM rue_mohr: intermittent ide errors?
01:02 PM Tom_L: yeah
01:03 PM rue_mohr: that idea didn't work as well on paper as it did in my mind
01:06 PM Tom_L: ok maybe that'll go until i retire
01:07 PM Tom_L: was the wheel spec close to what we got?
01:10 PM Tom_L: so they split the triangle between the slot and space
01:11 PM Tom_L: mount the detector facing away from the ambient light
01:18 PM rue_mohr: heh, its got a back cover, no ambient
01:18 PM rue_mohr: as it sits now, it'll work for hand operation, which is all that one is made for
01:18 PM rue_mohr: I have the ability to make others with bearings for other stuff
01:31 PM rue_mohr: how many houses do you know with an outside door in a bedroom?, like as a building entrace door?
01:54 PM rue_mohr: how wide is good for a hallway
01:55 PM Tom_L: 4-5'
01:56 PM Tom_L: typical doors are 32"
01:56 PM Tom_L: some are 24" like for closets etc
01:57 PM Tom_L: better ask, what's the widest thing you would ever move down the hallway?
01:57 PM rue_mohr: the hallways in this place are 32.5", I think atleast 38" would be nice
01:58 PM rue_mohr: and I have 24" doors
01:58 PM Tom_L: i figured.. wasn't it a trailer?
01:58 PM rue_mohr: the half with the hallway, yea
01:59 PM Tom_L: those walls will be half width too
01:59 PM flav0r: sweet jesus a 24” door
01:59 PM rue_mohr: I'm taking a copy of the flor plan and changing everything stupid
01:59 PM zhanx: 48" wide? So i can walk down it ?
01:59 PM rue_mohr: it'll take a few passes
01:59 PM rue_mohr: well, spreading my elbows is 38" and being able to dot hat would be nice
01:59 PM Tom_L: i'm sure there are standards for commercial halls etc
02:00 PM zhanx: just finished putting the garden to bed for winter, we have a frost tomorrow
02:00 PM rue_mohr: !
02:00 PM Tom_L: huh
02:00 PM rue_mohr: concrete garden beds!
02:00 PM flav0r: it pissed down with rain here yesterday
02:00 PM zhanx: I picked the last of the tomatoes. 5 gallon bucket full
02:00 PM flav0r: was a surprise
02:00 PM rue_mohr: I'll go for 40"
02:01 PM rue_mohr: so, I need to bump this half of the house out... 8"
02:01 PM flav0r: just flip everything
02:01 PM flav0r: door height now becomes door width and width becomes height
02:01 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr, if you're gonna do any bumping make it worth the trouble
02:02 PM flav0r: know any guys that say heighth ???
02:02 PM rue_mohr: its just a drawing
02:02 PM Tom_L: i put mine all in acad
02:02 PM rue_mohr: I'm mauling the cad of the currnet house to come up with a floor plan for the new house
02:02 PM zhanx: 8" is more cuts on wood. rue, redo the math for 8' 10' 12' lengths
02:02 PM rue_mohr: take a few passes and fix everything
02:03 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, the current place is a teardown
02:03 PM rue_mohr: for SO many reasons
02:03 PM rue_mohr: but I only have till the end of th year to come up witha new floorplan
02:03 PM Tom_L: why the deadline?
02:03 PM rue_mohr: otherwise I'll never get it done
02:05 PM Tom_L: when i did my basement i purchased a pnumatic nailer then sold it when i was done
02:06 PM Tom_L: for framing, i still have a finish nailer
02:09 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, still if you do common sizes less cuts and work
02:10 PM rue_mohr: I was just expanding the hallway in the drawing from 32.5 to 38
02:10 PM rue_mohr: just a wall loc
02:10 PM rue_mohr: now I'v got all the stupid stuff on one end of the house
02:10 PM rue_mohr: two livingrooms and a kitchen
02:11 PM rue_mohr: with a mechanical and laundry to get a home
02:11 PM rue_mohr: there is a plan to set the laundry room up so that you can just as easily swing the clothes into a dryer or onto a clothesline
02:12 PM rue_mohr: and if you use a frontloading dryer, with a control panel on the front, you can mount it 18-24" off the floor to help your back.
02:15 PM rue_mohr: I'm wrestling with proximity between the bathroom and the kitchen
02:15 PM rue_mohr: something else is odd
02:15 PM rue_mohr: this is ~1200 square foot house
02:16 PM rue_mohr: but, the new 30*40 layout, is a LOT shorter
02:16 PM rue_mohr: maybe its the 200 square foot deck
02:18 PM rue_mohr: almost implies I should spin the kitchen 180 and put it on the other size of the house
02:22 PM rue_mohr: entry between kitchen and livingroom?
02:22 PM rue_mohr: most of the trips into the house are for the bathroom, would make sense if it were by a door
02:22 PM zhanx: open plan aka wall to wall
02:22 PM rue_mohr: heh
02:23 PM rue_mohr: toilet infront of the livingroom tv?
02:23 PM zhanx: i would if single
02:23 PM rue_mohr: heh
02:24 PM zhanx: ok need to fry uo some green tomatoes
02:24 PM zhanx: bbl
02:24 PM rue_mohr: ok, if I turn those two bedrooms sideways...
02:25 PM rue_mohr: oh, maybe If Iput the kitchen back, and turn that space into livingroom
02:25 PM rue_mohr: dosn't point the livingroom the way I'd like tho
02:27 PM rue_mohr: dining room? aren't you going to go eat in your room?
02:27 PM rue_mohr: hmmm
02:32 PM rue_mohr: it looks like in old houses they pushed all the bedrooms to the second floor
03:28 PM Tom_L: dig a 2 story basement
03:42 PM rue_shop4: the house over the shop and the bedrooms under the shop?
03:43 PM rue_shop4: :S I kinda over-bent that next mecha ring
03:43 PM rue_shop4: the 1m arch was supposed to be 88mm deep, its 90
03:43 PM rue_shop4: and I'm 30' short on pipe
03:44 PM rue_shop4: doesn't matter, I have 30' to bend before I am idle
04:13 PM Tom_L: you using 1" pipe?
04:50 PM flav0r: https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/zip/d/free-reception-desk/6705527336.html
06:18 PM rue_shop4: no, its 1.25" EMT
06:18 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, who closed?
06:23 PM orlock: rue_shop4: DUnno if you ever time to watch movies
06:25 PM orlock: you should watch Upgrade
06:26 PM zhanx: ok back and looks like i didn't miss anything
06:26 PM Tom_L: we pm'd all the good stuff
06:26 PM zhanx: orlock, that was a good movie
06:27 PM zhanx: Tom_L, figures
06:27 PM Tom_L: i ordered some of those plugs, thanks
06:27 PM zhanx: no problem, I ordered 4 more myself
06:29 PM zhanx: well, i covered 4 raised beds in plastic and need to get some mulch for the other 2
06:29 PM rue_shop4: ok, so, what do I take on for the test of the weekend
06:29 PM rue_shop4: seeing as I forogt to get the sheet metal I needed and now its too late
06:29 PM zhanx: oh need to log the dates
06:31 PM orlock: zhanx: Filmed around here!
06:34 PM zhanx: i need a better tracking program
06:34 PM rue_shop4: ok I'll work on making some space on the workbench
06:34 PM zhanx: post it notes are just not cutting it
06:34 PM rue_shop4: where do I put the hords of scavanged batteries I'v collected
06:35 PM zhanx: recycle them in to a ev?
06:35 PM rue_shop4: oh wait, I wanted to try this neuron schematic
06:35 PM rue_shop4: oh, you mean use the truck I'm converting to store the batteries, and put a system in it for maintaining them all
06:35 PM rue_shop4: hmmmmm
06:36 PM rue_shop4: what is the best material for a battery box :S
06:36 PM rue_shop4: plastic I suppose
06:36 PM rue_shop4: fiberglass?
06:36 PM rue_shop4: can sulfuric eat thru fiberglass?
06:36 PM zhanx: plastic or fiberglass depending the application
06:36 PM rue_shop4: hmm
06:36 PM rue_shop4: I heard "plastic lined fiberglass" is this what you want?
06:36 PM rue_shop4: :)
06:37 PM zhanx: I heard epoxy lined fiberglass with isolation rubber mounts
06:37 PM rue_shop4: so, if I take wood, fiberglass the hell out of it, and plastic line it
06:37 PM rue_shop4: the target is 300V
06:38 PM zhanx: just use a fleece blanket
06:38 PM rue_shop4: tahts only 50 6V in series
06:38 PM zhanx: you can fiberglass that
06:38 PM rue_shop4: ...8-| oooo
06:38 PM zhanx: rue its what they use for speaker boxes for custom installs as its easy to make stuff with it
06:38 PM rue_shop4: peak power 60kw
06:39 PM rue_shop4: 200A
06:39 PM rue_shop4: if I limit each battery to, 5A
06:39 PM rue_shop4: 40 in paralel
06:40 PM rue_shop4: so 50x 6V in series, 40 of those in parallel
06:40 PM rue_shop4: its only 2000 batteries
06:40 PM rue_shop4: I have 12 on the bench now
06:40 PM rue_shop4: I'm almost there!
06:40 PM zhanx: with that weight you might as well, do an r/c plane engine generator
06:41 PM rue_shop4: each battery is only 1.8kg
06:41 PM rue_shop4: so
06:41 PM rue_shop4: thts only 3600kg of battereis
06:41 PM rue_shop4: !
06:41 PM zhanx: lol
06:42 PM rue_shop4: thats like, half a ton right?
06:42 PM zhanx: over a ton
06:42 PM zhanx: you need mounts and wiring also
06:45 PM zhanx: 87 pounds of green tomatoes off this harvest
06:45 PM zhanx: average was .45 pounds
06:46 PM rue_shop4: nice
06:46 PM orlock: i prefer the red ones
06:46 PM zhanx: orlock, they will rippen up
06:47 PM zhanx: rue_shop4, that was second planting and a 4x8 bed with planted in a grid every 6" offset rows
06:48 PM zhanx: between the potatoes, onions and tomatoes. I have 18 dollars in seeds into the garden
06:52 PM flav0r: 3.6 tonnes
06:53 PM flav0r: 1.8 tons
07:00 PM rue_shop4: if I had a 12' robot, I could swing a 300lb axe and this wouldn't be an issue.
07:00 PM * rue_shop4 grabs the sledgehammer
07:03 PM orlock: now, where to get a 300lb axe
07:05 PM flav0r: is 18 in seeds a lot?
07:05 PM zhanx: steal pauls?
07:11 PM flav0r: http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADXL335.pdf
07:11 PM flav0r: its funny when you look at diagrams about how to do the pad layout
07:11 PM zhanx: flav0r, no, the seeds included onions and seed potato's so that is cheap
07:11 PM zhanx: I got about 200 pounds of food for 18 dollars
07:12 PM flav0r: and everything looks liek an average sort of size then you see the LONG pad is only .5mm
07:13 PM flav0r: ok yeah i wasnt sure if you meant that relatively speaking if it was cheap or expensive
07:13 PM zhanx: flav0r, last year I spent 40 and got a lot more, but I worked to much this year to garden right
07:14 PM flav0r: hmm 200 punds could probably sustain a guy for a year
07:14 PM flav0r: thrown in some meat
07:14 PM flav0r: throw
07:15 PM flav0r: pounds
07:15 PM zhanx: depends on the what you have. I will (should) have potatoes and onions till mid spring or later
07:16 PM zhanx: wife has me remodeling the house, So, she wants lettuce and grow lights in the kitchen
07:16 PM flav0r: lettuce always seemed so pointless to me
07:16 PM flav0r: onions are epic though
07:17 PM zhanx: lettice that is pointless is the iceberg crap
07:17 PM flav0r: lettace
07:17 PM flav0r: lettoce
07:17 PM zhanx: lettzce
07:18 PM zhanx: really she wants me to have a herb garden area on the walls instead of cupboards with some extras
07:19 PM orlock: went and got some big sticks of wood yesterday
07:19 PM orlock: going to put up some more shelves
07:20 PM flav0r: nice
07:20 PM flav0r: dude i hate 90% of videos on youtube
07:20 PM flav0r: its jsut all the same “look at what i did” crap
07:20 PM orlock: hmm
07:21 PM flav0r: i.e. vids of fools showing THEY sent an sms with some cheezy gsm module
07:21 PM orlock: last set of shelves i put up were using wooden slats that i found in the house when we bought it
07:21 PM orlock: they were from a bed
07:21 PM flav0r: all look the same …. some breadboard with a few wires and their cellphone forced into the frame
07:21 PM orlock: those, combined with some shelving work was throwing out
07:21 PM flav0r: then … LOOOOOOOOOK !!! .. seeee MYYY phone got the sms
07:21 PM flav0r: now what bro ????
07:21 PM orlock: the new bits of wood were actually from shelves my dad put up 20 years ago or something
07:22 PM orlock: had to take the kiddy seats out of the car, fold seats down, etc
07:22 PM orlock: got too much shit
07:24 PM zhanx: orlock, dad life is fun aint it
07:24 PM flav0r: why fold down the seats
07:24 PM flav0r: just lash it all to the roof !
07:25 PM orlock: flav0r: No roofrack on this car
07:25 PM flav0r: so ?
07:25 PM flav0r: haha
07:26 PM flav0r: zhanx: this guy could get 350 pounds from $11 of seeds
07:26 PM flav0r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xvtk1kS2yM
07:26 PM zhanx: flav0r, yes with more time and effort in
07:27 PM flav0r: just another pointless video
07:27 PM zhanx: i am on year 4 of this garden
07:27 PM zhanx: it was a bad year
07:27 PM orlock: zhanx: missus made me go and get some oversized "Power Wheels" thing 6 months ago
07:28 PM orlock: zhanx: Jeep/Hummer style clone
07:28 PM zhanx: i got one also
07:28 PM orlock: it was well worn, the guy had put a half-dead 12v car battery on it
07:28 PM orlock: nose heavy, drove like shit, handled like shit
07:28 PM orlock: i put in the 14.8v lipo from my sumo bot
07:28 PM orlock: cut the weight down massiivly, no longer nose heavy
07:29 PM orlock: fucking kid damn near runs me down with it now
07:29 PM zhanx: i use 20v cordless drill batteries
07:29 PM orlock: two motors, once for each rear wheel
07:29 PM orlock: it's traction limited, as they say
07:29 PM orlock: :)
07:31 PM zhanx: i just swapped the bad battery and mount for cheap 20v's
07:31 PM flav0r: id rather watch NFL games than do gardening
07:32 PM flav0r: society tells me thats whats important
07:36 PM rue_shop4: I dont know what I was going to do, but I moved a lot of firewood
07:36 PM orlock: rue_shop4: i did some of that yesterday too
07:36 PM orlock: not a lot
07:36 PM orlock: not much at all
07:37 PM orlock: guy came aorund with a chainsaw
07:37 PM orlock: as i had a few annoying shaped bits left around
07:37 PM orlock: too nanoying to split by hand
07:38 PM orlock: winters over now, should be nice and dry by the next one
07:38 PM zhanx: and mine is just starting
07:38 PM zhanx: first frost is tonight
07:39 PM orlock: heh, our frosts didnt happen until the very end of winter
07:40 PM Tom_L: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/asia/japan-rovers-asteroid/index.html
07:44 PM rue_shop3: but what do you do if you find another rover that humans didn't put there?
07:44 PM zhanx: use it for parts?
07:44 PM orlock: because metric vs imperial isnt bad enough
07:45 PM zhanx: thats Merica vs the rest of the world to you orlock
07:45 PM rue_shop3: yea, I was trying to find good wording
07:45 PM flav0r: clever japs :)
07:45 PM orlock: American Imperial Threading
07:45 PM orlock: heh
07:45 PM orlock: does that make trump the first emperor?
07:46 PM flav0r: interesting when you look at the most high tech countries
07:46 PM flav0r: usa, germany, japan
07:46 PM flav0r: and their histories
07:46 PM rue_shop3: but the usa dosn't make its tech anymore
07:46 PM rue_shop3: so, does it really classify?
07:46 PM flav0r: macarthur was the first usa pacific emperor
07:47 PM rue_shop3: isn't that like Omish using a gas engine?
07:47 PM orlock: rue_shop3: they are able to use gas engines
07:47 PM orlock: depending on your definition
07:48 PM orlock: compressed air is a gas, right?
07:48 PM flav0r: i watched a good documentary on the Amish
07:48 PM flav0r: it was called Kingpin
07:48 PM zhanx: the Amish up here use gas engines
07:49 PM rue_shop4: do does that make them high tech?
07:49 PM orlock: rue_shop3: USA still does high tech, just not mass-manufacture
07:49 PM rue_shop4: way I see it, if you cant support and maintain the technology, you dont really have it
07:50 PM flav0r: USA is still 2nd biggest exporter
07:51 PM flav0r: chinas lead is mostly toilet seats
07:51 PM rue_shop4: in 8000 years I wont be able to go buy a repalcement avr for my left hand controller, so, I'm going to have a long way to go as far as tech is concerned
07:51 PM zhanx: we should be 1
07:51 PM flav0r: well yeah .. SHOULD still be
07:51 PM flav0r: perhaps will be again
07:51 PM zhanx: and really Canada should be higher also
07:51 PM orlock: zhanx: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e8/ea/ed/e8eaed5cdc2fa0a39733be029fdade73--christmas-gifts--hummer-h.jpg
07:52 PM zhanx: orlock, no links right now game is on
07:52 PM zhanx: :D
07:52 PM zhanx: Lions are winning so yea
07:52 PM flav0r: i will vote in the next election
07:52 PM rue_shop4: you can say your the biggest exporter if the rules for saying it are that you place a sticker on the thing made in china that says "made in usa" and send it off
07:52 PM flav0r: TRUMP WILL HAVE MY VOTE!
07:52 PM rue_shop4: and when the relations with canada finish breaking down, the usa wont have anyone to export to
07:53 PM zhanx: rue_shop4, nope the usa has the largest market of disposable income in the world
07:53 PM flav0r: surely canada isnt the biggest importer of USA good is it?
07:53 PM flav0r: goods
07:53 PM rue_shop4: heh
07:53 PM orlock: rue_shop4: work just won an award the other day
07:53 PM rue_shop4: orlock, most steppers donated to orlock?
07:54 PM orlock: http://trade.vic.gov.au/news/2018/september/victorian-medtech-company-takes-home-top-export-award
07:54 PM rue_shop4: ah
07:57 PM flav0r: victoria == hipster land
07:58 PM zhanx: what gets me rue_shop4 is everyone wants to export manufacturing to 3rd world countries that have crap environmental laws and pretend the lessons the us, canada and europe learned in the 70's are bad
07:58 PM flav0r: and dig a well in a remote village
07:59 PM zhanx: then pollute the well
08:00 PM zhanx: wow lions up by 10 to zero
08:00 PM rue_shop4: so, the only way of me getting the cnc I want is to make a lot of cnc machines
08:00 PM rue_shop4: and I dont have room
08:00 PM rue_shop4: so I'd have to sell them
08:01 PM rue_shop4: arg
08:01 PM rue_shop4: I need a sales person
08:01 PM zhanx: just make a 3 dof and then a lathe and a 5dof and be done
08:01 PM flav0r: you hiring?
08:01 PM cnnx: hi
08:01 PM flav0r: you guys with your big machine projects
08:01 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, the problem is that without making a lot of them I cant come up with the design I need
08:01 PM flav0r: im just trying to make a nixie watch currently :|
08:01 PM flav0r: i feel so small
08:02 PM cnnx: any of you working on robots
08:02 PM rue_shop4: cnnx, I was just today working more on my 12' mecha
08:02 PM cnnx: i worked all weekend on mine
08:02 PM cnnx: I took a 5 min video, can I paste it here?
08:02 PM flav0r: what you got there cnnx ???
08:02 PM rue_shop4: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100696.jpg
08:02 PM flav0r: can i critique it?
08:02 PM cnnx: yes
08:02 PM rue_shop4: I was bending pipe for the 3rd ring assambly
08:02 PM flav0r: thats a house dude .. not a robot
08:03 PM cnnx: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0jDlum1nFNY
08:03 PM rue_shop4: the rings
08:03 PM flav0r: oh wrong guy
08:03 PM flav0r: lol
08:04 PM flav0r: forward 1 second …. 5 second delay
08:04 PM cnnx: https://youtu.be/0jDlum1nFNY
08:04 PM flav0r: i can dig the camera orientation
08:04 PM flav0r: captures a lot of the detail
08:05 PM cnnx: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100696.jpg
08:05 PM flav0r: i think if you added a lazy susan with an assortment of cheese on a mount between the bucket and speakers then it would be awesome
08:06 PM cnnx: lol
08:06 PM rue_shop4: its rings for a gyro
08:06 PM rue_shop4: er, gimbal, for piloting it
08:07 PM rue_shop4: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1040018.jpg
08:07 PM rue_shop4: the robot will be pretty big
08:07 PM rue_shop4: tho, I'm not sure if the gimbal will be larger
08:07 PM flav0r: rue youre lucky you dont live in the seattle area
08:07 PM flav0r: i would force myself onto your project as an apprentice
08:07 PM rue_shop4: or I'd be done by now?
08:08 PM flav0r: and get into that big robot project
08:08 PM flav0r: youd be sick of me by now of course !
08:08 PM rue_shop4: the abs pipe is the same size as the steel pipe I'm gonna use for the main frame, so I can replace things till I have the final robot
08:09 PM rue_shop4: I wonder how you could help from there...
08:09 PM orlock: fuck
08:09 PM orlock: https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/23/0311221/coding-error-sends-2019-subaru-ascents-to-the-car-crusher
08:09 PM rue_shop4: how about software, you any good at that?
08:09 PM flav0r: depends on the “type” of software
08:09 PM flav0r: i mean … it’s more or less what i do for a living
08:09 PM rue_shop4: they wont let me see with this browser, what was the softwre err in?
08:09 PM flav0r: but you know im a bit of a hack really
08:10 PM orlock: rue_shop4: read that
08:10 PM rue_shop4: I CANT
08:10 PM rue_shop4: they WILL NOT LET ME OPEN THE LINK
08:10 PM rue_shop4: cause the securrity on my browser is not high enough
08:10 PM orlock: wtf are you on about?
08:10 PM flav0r: you using windows SBS serv er 2003 ?
08:10 PM rue_shop4: The connection was reset
08:10 PM rue_shop4: The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
08:10 PM rue_shop4: The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments.
08:10 PM rue_shop4: If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection.
08:10 PM flav0r: server
08:10 PM rue_shop4: If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Iceweasel is permitted to access the Web.
08:11 PM rue_shop4: ANYHOW
08:11 PM orlock: https://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/computing/it/coding-error-leads-293-subaru-ascents-to-the-car-crusher
08:11 PM flav0r: its to do with the ssl connection
08:11 PM flav0r: your browser doesnt support the crypto the site is using
08:11 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, so, one of the things I need is a little gyro software
08:11 PM rue_shop4: orlock,
08:11 PM rue_shop4: Secure Connection Failed
08:11 PM rue_shop4: An error occurred during a connection to spectrum.ieee.org. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). (Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
08:11 PM rue_shop4: The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
08:11 PM rue_shop4: Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem. Alternatively, use the command found in the help menu to report this broken site.
08:11 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, I know it dosn't support it
08:12 PM orlock: rue_shop4: dude, what the fuck browser are you using?
08:12 PM flav0r: mosaic
08:12 PM rue_shop4: and I cant upgrade it cause then I'd lose the only version of librecad that can properly trim a line to the tangent of a circle
08:12 PM rue_shop4: no, its iceweasel
08:12 PM rue_shop4: which was created over a spat between firefox and debian, and nolonger exists
08:13 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, so
08:13 PM rue_shop4: the robot will have a 3 axis gyro
08:13 PM rue_shop4: and the gimbal will have a 3 axis gyro, the challange is to keep the two things in the same orientation
08:13 PM flav0r: never done that before :|
08:14 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, interested in seeing if you can talk to a gyro module?
08:14 PM flav0r: i know a guy that is all over that kinda stuff tho
08:14 PM rue_shop4: challange 1 is to get an avr or stm32 to talk to a module
08:14 PM rue_shop4: stm32 preffered
08:14 PM rue_shop4: blue pill specifically
08:14 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, have one?
08:15 PM flav0r: weird thing is that RIGHT NOW i am making a part in eagle for an ADXL335 3 axis accelerometer
08:15 PM rue_shop4: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-Forarduino/32525208361.html
08:15 PM rue_shop4: see perfect
08:15 PM rue_shop4: let me see what accel I have
08:15 PM flav0r: oh .. well yeah im sure i could get it talking pretty easily
08:16 PM zhanx: flav0r, 13 first downs for detriot none for patriots
08:16 PM orlock: rue_shop4: Dude, can't you install chrome or something?
08:16 PM orlock: you are going to get pwn3d by a click-by
08:16 PM rue_shop4: and I cant upgrade it cause then I'd lose the only version of librecad that can properly trim a line to the tangent of a circle
08:17 PM orlock: pin that verion of librecad
08:17 PM rue_shop4: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GY521-GY-521-GY-521-MPU-6050-Module-MPU6050-Module-3-Axis-Analog-Gyro-Sensors-3/32880000869.html
08:17 PM orlock: and you should be able to install chrome out-of-apt/deb
08:17 PM rue_shop4: that is the accel I have flav0r
08:17 PM flav0r: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GY-61-ADXL335-three-axis-accelerometer-tilt-angle-module-alternative-MMA7260-with-Anti-static-bag/1872244800.html
08:17 PM flav0r: i ordered a couple of those 2 days ago
08:18 PM rue_shop4: orlock, it blocks the whole upgarde anything because of libc6
08:18 PM flav0r: and some bare chips
08:18 PM orlock: shit, i'd be setting up a VM for your librecad then
08:18 PM rue_shop4: I have 11 computers
08:18 PM flav0r: you sure you want analog?
08:19 PM rue_shop4: this is the only one with the working librecad, I bring drawings to this one when I require a line to intersect with the tangent of a circle or arc
08:19 PM rue_shop4: flav0r, this is digital
08:19 PM rue_shop4: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GY521-GY-521-GY-521-MPU-6050-Module-MPU6050-Module-3-Axis-Analog-Gyro-Sensors-3/32880000869.html
08:19 PM rue_shop4: thats what I ahve...
08:20 PM rue_shop4: ?
08:21 PM flav0r: ahh
08:21 PM orlock: rue_shop4: 11 computers and you need librecad on all of them?
08:23 PM rue_shop4: no, that was my point
08:23 PM rue_shop4: this is the only oen Icant open (just about anything) on
08:23 PM orlock: ah
08:23 PM rue_shop4: funny enough, lynx can open more than this browser
08:24 PM rue_shop4: also funny, my bank site works
08:24 PM rue_shop4: also funny, aliexpress works
08:24 PM rue_shop4: so, way I see it, the level of securrity that google has everyone going up to this year, is not actaully required
08:25 PM rue_shop4: its a way to just force browser turnover
08:25 PM rue_shop4: and
08:25 PM rue_shop4: as most browsers are being compiled 64 bit only
08:25 PM rue_shop4: they want me to throw out 11 computers and upgrade them to 64 bit machines so I can run a 64 bit os so I can browse the web
08:25 PM flav0r: just looked in a drawer ...
08:25 PM rue_shop4: is that a laugh?
08:25 PM flav0r: https://imgur.com/a/gE0ZuHu
08:26 PM rue_shop4: :) done anything with ityet?
08:26 PM rue_shop4: you have a few too :)
08:26 PM flav0r: well i tried to use one in the arduino IDE
08:26 PM rue_shop4: ah, not tried that
08:26 PM flav0r: didnt work right … so i got sidetracked
08:26 PM rue_shop4: I was programming them direct
08:26 PM flav0r: i should get back to it
08:27 PM flav0r: yah i assumed you might be
08:27 PM rue_shop4: I can help if you like
08:27 PM rue_shop4: it was HELL to get the setup right
08:27 PM flav0r: well they arent really on the horizon just yet
08:27 PM flav0r: lol
08:27 PM flav0r: i got this watch i gotta do !
08:27 PM rue_shop4: ok
08:27 PM flav0r: and they programmign direct …. yikes
08:27 PM flav0r: :)
08:27 PM flav0r: i mean
08:27 PM flav0r: and then programming direct
08:28 PM rue_shop4: the challange is getting your way around the libraries
08:28 PM flav0r: well i guess its not rocket science per se
08:28 PM flav0r: yeah
08:28 PM flav0r: lots of “arduino” libs!
08:28 PM rue_shop4: yes and no
08:28 PM rue_shop4: all arduino libraries are broken
08:28 PM rue_shop4: or, that is, I havn't found one that works properly yet
08:29 PM flav0r: you mean at all for anything? or for that specific chip?
08:29 PM rue_shop4: not to say all the problems are things you run into, but they all have hidden snags
08:29 PM flav0r: the gyro/accel
08:29 PM rue_shop4: everything for arduino I have ever seen has a problem
08:29 PM rue_shop4: some of them really obvious
08:30 PM rue_shop4: like the .wav player that assumed and approximated the sample rate and encoding, then played the header and skipped the last incomplete buffers worth of the file
08:30 PM rue_shop4: to name a really outstanding example
08:30 PM flav0r: heh yeah theres some curious stuff
08:31 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, hey hey
08:31 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, did you hear about the farmer that won that award?
08:31 PM rue_shop4: he was outstanding in his field.
08:31 PM orlock: Aaaaaaahhhhhhh
08:32 PM rue_shop4: :))
08:33 PM rue_shop4: I love the way Chinese randomly select what to put in antistatic bags
08:33 PM rue_shop4: mosfets in plain bags and resistors in antistatic
08:33 PM zhanx: i was outstanding in my field it just rained on me
08:34 PM flav0r: i got soaked yesterday
08:34 PM flav0r: had to jump one of my cars … so i was just in the rain for a few mins
08:34 PM flav0r: enough to get soaked
08:34 PM flav0r: http://cathodecorner.com/nwl/NWLD5schem.pdf
08:34 PM flav0r: i am redrawing that into eagle
08:34 PM flav0r: seems like everythign i do i need ot make a new part for the library
08:36 PM rue_shop4: yup
08:36 PM rue_shop4: thats eagle
08:36 PM rue_shop4: isn't digikey fixing that?
08:36 PM rue_shop4: ooh no, thats for freecad
08:36 PM rue_shop4: er
08:37 PM flav0r: autodesk
08:37 PM rue_shop4: the not-eagle electronics cad
08:37 PM flav0r: i dunno i just use an older pirated version
08:37 PM flav0r: i should probably use a newer version
08:37 PM flav0r: i think the new (free version) one has board size limits
08:38 PM flav0r: i guess i could just start them in the old version then open in new version
09:00 PM Tom_L: https://www.instructables.com/id/Charlottes-Web-Style-LED-Filament-Clock/
09:50 PM flav0r: as time goes on i get more annoyed at apple devices
09:50 PM flav0r: all my old iphones connect to my computers no problem
09:50 PM flav0r: iphone5 and above theres always some shit going on
09:50 PM flav0r: the phones charge
09:50 PM flav0r: they are even identified by the os
09:50 PM flav0r: then it says … cant connect!
09:50 PM flav0r: WTF !
09:50 PM flav0r: its just usb
09:50 PM flav0r: so lame
09:51 PM flav0r: it can “see” the device enough to say it cant connect
09:51 PM flav0r: apple solution is ALWAYS .. try new cable ! try new usb port!
09:51 PM flav0r: yet my old phones work no problem
09:54 PM orlock: its the chips
10:01 PM flav0r: well yeah theres always some shit they have
10:01 PM flav0r: the quesiton is WHY
10:02 PM flav0r: then they also recommend buying THEIR cables
10:02 PM flav0r: $20
10:02 PM flav0r: haha
10:23 PM rue_shop3: my 4S could get reception anywhere
10:23 PM rue_shop3: I have to walk to the end of the driveway to make a call now
10:23 PM flav0r: yah i love the 4s
10:23 PM flav0r: best design ever
10:23 PM flav0r: i have 3 of them
10:23 PM rue_shop3: (comapny had me upgrade)
10:24 PM flav0r: should last me quite awhile
10:24 PM flav0r: actually i pretty much have a PILE of iphones :|
10:58 PM rue_mohr: so, the electronic neuron I designed
10:58 PM rue_mohr: the charge circuit is backwards and the AGC isn't taken off the right spot
11:00 PM flav0r: do you plug that into your ear>?
11:00 PM flav0r: ?
11:02 PM rue_mohr: no, I need a neuron simulator so that I can better understand how to make state machines out of them
11:02 PM rue_mohr: they are a building block of some kind, I need to know more
11:03 PM rue_mohr: there is a leap between how one neuron fires and how a parallel delay state machine works
11:05 PM rue_mohr: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Spike_HH_2.png/220px-Spike_HH_2.png
11:05 PM orlock: the fish go in the ear
11:06 PM rue_mohr: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Denis_Pare/publication/50850787/figure/fig2/AS:277284079587335@1443121084565/Firing-properties-of-the-ITC-neuron-model-A-Voltage-responses-of-ITC-neuron-model-to.png
11:07 PM rue_mohr: its the result of a relaxation based circuit
11:07 PM rue_mohr: so a capacitor and a schmitt trigger
11:07 PM orlock: rue_mohr: Do you ever have time to watch movies?
11:08 PM orlock: i forget if you answered or not
11:08 PM rue_mohr: according to people in the world, life should be spent cooking, eating, sleeping, drinking beer and watching movies
11:09 PM rue_mohr: I'd like to focus on seeing if I can use the skills I have to reverse engineer myself eough to become a machine that can live the ~8000-10000 years and see the light from the supernova (no, not ours)
11:10 PM rue_mohr: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Apshoot.jpg
11:11 PM rue_mohr: it looks like a constant current on the first two edges, then its some kinda RC thing
11:11 PM rue_mohr: its hard for me to understand how everyone just accepts that their gonna die and that there's nothing to do about it
11:11 PM rue_mohr: its kinda creepy
11:12 PM rue_mohr: anyhow, if I'm good enough, maybe I can be more.
11:13 PM rue_mohr: even if it goes well, it'll be like jumping down a big tunnel with all sorts of spinning blades, knowing that you ARE going to come out hurt and damaged, but hoping that it wont be too severe to recover from
11:13 PM flav0r: even if you get diced up
11:13 PM flav0r: fuck it … still better than wasting time sitting omn the couch watching hollywood schlock
11:14 PM rue_mohr: it will suck for a lot of reasons
11:14 PM rue_mohr: everyone you get to know will die
11:14 PM rue_mohr: no icecream
11:15 PM rue_mohr: other than that, it should be pretty neat
11:15 PM rue_mohr: oh and no sex
11:15 PM rue_mohr: I'm alone anyhow, so, whatever.
11:16 PM rue_mohr: ah good, that disinterested everyone in talking and now I can have a nice quiet channel to myself all night
11:17 PM rue_mohr: which totally makes me feel like I'm not the only person in the world
11:17 PM rue_mohr: your supper is burning
11:17 PM rue_mohr: ARG
11:23 PM flav0r: i will outlive you
11:23 PM flav0r: i can feel it !
11:23 PM flav0r: and have icecream
11:24 PM flav0r: i will harvest all the gold from super novas
11:24 PM flav0r: and sell it to that fool on that tv show ALIENS
11:25 PM flav0r: ancient aliens i mean
11:25 PM rue_mohr: I figure if I dont let depression kill me, I'll be ok
11:27 PM flav0r: as long as you dont croak before i make my VFD clock :)
11:27 PM rue_mohr: I have a lot of things to work on
11:27 PM rue_mohr: I need to make new hands and test them before I need them
11:32 PM flav0r: make them big
11:32 PM rue_mohr: geesh, anymore soy sauce in this rice and I might have well used 50% vegimate
11:32 PM rue_mohr: flav0r, suppose I didn't show you the finger of the 12' mecha?
11:33 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1030340.jpg
11:33 PM rue_mohr: heh, I didn't ahve a lathe when I made the pipe rollers
11:33 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1030901.jpg
11:33 PM rue_mohr: thats the hand plan
11:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070308.jpg
11:34 PM rue_mohr: finger
11:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070328.jpg
11:35 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070330.jpg
11:36 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070365.jpg
11:36 PM rue_mohr: anyhow
11:38 PM _unreal_: xchat crashed.....
11:38 PM _unreal_: couldnt type
11:38 PM _unreal_: well got a bunch of wire work done today on my controller box
11:38 PM _unreal_: time for bed
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1030340.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> heh, I didn't ahve a lathe when I made the pipe rollers
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1030901.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> thats the hand plan
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070308.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> finger
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070328.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070330.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1070365.jpg
11:38 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> anyhow
11:39 PM flav0r: huuuuuge
11:39 PM rue_mohr: ah, maybe I can unlock the scr with an inductor
11:40 PM rue_mohr: haivng it done would be nice, trying to chop firewood today
11:40 PM rue_mohr: stupid logs that wouldn't split
11:40 PM rue_mohr: they would if I had a 300lb axe
11:40 PM _unreal_: grow stronger
11:40 PM rue_mohr: no, make 12' robot
11:40 PM Tom_L: you cast the blue rollers right?
11:41 PM rue_mohr: yes
11:41 PM rue_mohr: then overmachined them, cause, by then I had the lathe
11:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1080970.jpg
11:41 PM rue_mohr: they came out nice
11:41 PM Tom_L: yeah i think i've seen that
11:42 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1090053.jpg
11:42 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100696.jpg mmmmmm
11:42 PM rue_mohr: I did the first pipe for the next ring
11:42 PM rue_mohr: just 6 more to go
11:42 PM Tom_L: bigger or smaller than those?
11:42 PM rue_mohr: bigger
11:42 PM rue_mohr: the innermost pipe puts the most stress on it, so I wanted to start with those
11:43 PM rue_mohr: it survived that, so its just getting easier
11:43 PM Tom_L: got the mounts figured out?
11:43 PM rue_mohr: hell no
11:43 PM rue_mohr: and the data rates thru optical isolation aren't looking too hot
11:44 PM Tom_L: bluetooth
11:44 PM rue_mohr: I may need to see if I can use real fiber optic and slip-spin a coupler
11:44 PM rue_mohr: no, wireless has too much delay
11:44 PM rue_mohr: this is realtime feedback
11:44 PM rue_mohr: I have to use wifi to the bot already, that will be bad enough
11:44 PM Tom_L: it will be when you fall on your arse for sure
11:45 PM rue_mohr: tho, it might make sense to origionate the control wifi from the inner ring, and use the optic outwards to control the ring motors
11:46 PM Tom_L: you have an overall diagram of this finished?
11:46 PM rue_mohr: it doesn't need a supercomputer, its almost all 1:1 traffic
11:46 PM rue_mohr: I'v have a mostly-diagram
11:46 PM Tom_L: you _should_ have a cad model
11:46 PM rue_mohr: no
11:46 PM rue_mohr: takes too much time
11:47 PM rue_mohr: I'd never get the project started
11:47 PM rue_mohr: I know its a good way to do things
11:47 PM Tom_L: eliminates problems though
11:47 PM rue_mohr: but I'm on totally new ground, and if I'm not testing as I'm building, too many unforseen problems will come up at once
11:47 PM Tom_L: mine really didn't take that long to draw
11:47 PM rue_mohr: this has to be design on the fly for me
11:48 PM rue_mohr: its all 1-off anyhow
11:48 PM flav0r: i want to make some sorta mame cabinet
11:48 PM Tom_L: better coat them so they don't rust this winter
11:48 PM rue_mohr: yea, I need to get them off the ground pretty soon
11:48 PM flav0r: anyone ever done that ? specifically with a TV as the monitor
11:49 PM flav0r: lots of people have
11:49 PM flav0r: i’m gonna pick up a trinitron TV for it tomorrow
11:49 PM flav0r: hope it all works out !
11:49 PM orlock: flav0r: from what i remember the human interface side is the tricky bit
11:49 PM rue_mohr: flav0r, games are a distraction is my quest to avoid silly mortality
11:49 PM Tom_L: time to sleep here
11:49 PM Tom_L: later
11:49 PM orlock: the joystick/button intreface
11:49 PM flav0r: rue_mohr: i wont play it
11:49 PM flav0r: just wanna make it :)
11:49 PM flav0r: maybe in 1000 years someone will make a retro game about your immortality
11:50 PM rue_mohr: one of the challanges is to make it all outdoor happy
11:50 PM Tom_L: will anybody be there to play it?
11:50 PM rue_mohr: no
11:50 PM rue_mohr: I have no inside that this thing will fit in
11:50 PM flav0r: ill add a teflon umbrella mount to it
11:50 PM flav0r: poor mans weatherproofing
11:51 PM rue_mohr: I was considering a top over the gimbal
11:51 PM rue_mohr: another problem is how the hell to move the gimbal
11:52 PM rue_mohr: its just beside "where the hell to put it"
11:52 PM rue_mohr: problem
11:52 PM rue_mohr: I think I'm gonna need to have the 12' bot to build it
11:52 PM rue_mohr: so, I'm thinking of building the upper body/arm first
11:53 PM rue_mohr: the force feedback stuff has been going well, so the rest is getting closer
11:53 PM rue_mohr: if I can get the whole pneumatic muscle force feedback thing going, I can build the upper body
11:54 PM rue_mohr: I have to upsize the exhaust port on the engine to get it ready
11:55 PM rue_mohr: but in the meantime I can just use a ~1hp plug in electric motor for running the compresors, or just use one of the other compressors I have
11:55 PM rue_mohr: skip the 300psi storage tank
11:55 PM rue_mohr: bot only needs 60psi anyhow
11:56 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, your pencil is almost done there dude
11:59 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/siggen/p1100734.jpg
11:59 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/siggen/p1100735.jpg