#robotics Logs
Oct 29 2017
#robotics Calendar
12:03 AM rue_shop3: stepper?
12:06 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, how much was that one?did you make it from an existing design or is that your own?
12:08 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, whats the reach on that arm you made?
12:08 AM rue_shop3: about 24"?
12:08 AM evilroot: I got it for $5 at an auction
12:08 AM rue_shop3: most of the small arms I'v done are maybe about 8"
12:09 AM rue_shop3: oh, didn't build it?
12:09 AM evilroot: That was 15 years ago
12:09 AM rue_shop3: hmm
12:09 AM evilroot: I'm fatter now, heh
12:09 AM rue_shop3: well show me one you made!
12:09 AM rue_shop3: what did you use to control that one tho?
12:10 AM evilroot: Linux
12:10 AM evilroot: On a 386 comp
12:10 AM rue_shop3: so it had the driver box?
12:10 AM evilroot: No, I rigged my own
12:10 AM rue_shop3: serial or parallel port? usb?
12:10 AM rue_shop3: ide :)
12:11 AM evilroot: Parallel
12:11 AM rue_shop3: did you do any kinematics for it?
12:11 AM evilroot: Was the easiest back then
12:11 AM rue_shop3: yep
12:11 AM rue_shop3: I started 2, but never finished an ide-atached io controller
12:12 AM evilroot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5fQTi1W868OTTg3ZDV3azEyYUU/view?usp=sharing
12:12 AM rue_shop3: ... do you have one you made?
12:12 AM evilroot: This is the kind of stuff I mess with today, and then sell
12:12 AM rue_shop3: does that have z?
12:13 AM evilroot: Yes
12:13 AM rue_shop3: where?
12:13 AM rue_shop3: the silver part of the base?
12:13 AM evilroot: Indeed
12:13 AM rue_shop3: cool
12:13 AM rue_shop3: dc or stepper?
12:13 AM rue_shop3: looks dc
12:13 AM evilroot: Servo
12:13 AM rue_shop3: brushless?
12:14 AM evilroot: Brushed
12:14 AM rue_shop3: so dc
12:14 AM evilroot: With quadrature encoders, but yes DC
12:14 AM rue_shop3: I have 2 encoders tucked away for a 'special' project one day
12:14 AM evilroot: https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_49lRDkBG89p_1200x900.jpg
12:15 AM rue_shop3: saw that tho
12:15 AM evilroot: These are the machines I use currently for production work
12:15 AM rue_shop3: must be nice to live somewhere that has that stuff in the first place
12:15 AM rue_shop3: there is NOTHING out here
12:15 AM evilroot: They're older early 90's, but still tremendously powerful
12:15 AM rue_shop3: what kinda fab are they from?
12:16 AM rue_shop3: air? electronics?
12:16 AM rue_shop3: auto?
12:16 AM evilroot: I bought them surplus from a company that made gas pumps
12:16 AM rue_shop3: wont be furniture, not enough sawdust
12:16 AM evilroot: Reverse engineered and brought up to modern controls
12:16 AM rue_shop3: nice
12:17 AM rue_shop3: esp name brand like seiko
12:17 AM evilroot: Japan makes some damned fine robots
12:17 AM rue_shop3: yup
12:17 AM evilroot: 1000mm/sec
12:17 AM rue_shop3: prolly only comperable to germany
12:17 AM evilroot: 60 micron resolution
12:17 AM evilroot: (X/Y, 40 Z)
12:18 AM evilroot: No backlash
12:18 AM evilroot: They're monsters
12:18 AM rue_shop3: one of my buddies has a large welder robot arm
12:18 AM evilroot: The original controllers used an ancient language called DARL
12:18 AM rue_shop3: all crunched up in a seacan (barely fits)
12:18 AM evilroot: Like BASIC for robots
12:18 AM rue_shop3: I think I'v heard of that
12:19 AM rue_shop3: did ABB use it?
12:19 AM rue_shop3: were they abb?... me thinks
12:19 AM evilroot: Not sure
12:19 AM rue_shop3: heh, I dont remember what the robots at tech school were
12:19 AM rue_shop3: not devilibis...
12:19 AM evilroot: I use the original controllers just as a well regulated 70VDC source
12:20 AM evilroot: Since the bots need about 1500W
12:20 AM rue_shop3: have the money for gecko controllers?
12:20 AM evilroot: And Geckodrive G320X servo drivers with LinuxCNC
12:20 AM evilroot: Hahaha, yeah
12:20 AM rue_shop3: <envy>
12:21 AM rue_shop3: my whole project budgets are 1/20th of ONE gecko controller
12:21 AM evilroot: So $6?
12:21 AM Tom_L: limit your projects and make one real nice one
12:21 AM rue_shop3: $20
12:21 AM rue_shop3: how much are gecko controllers now
12:21 AM rue_shop3: ?
12:21 AM Tom_L: too much
12:21 AM evilroot: AS G320X is around $120 now
12:21 AM rue_shop3: I'm in canada, everything is 1.4x more
12:21 AM Tom_L: i'd go for the chinese ones now
12:22 AM rue_shop3: ok, so 1/10th
12:22 AM evilroot: Tom_L: Chinese don't have decent servo boards yet
12:22 AM evilroot: Stepper yes
12:22 AM Tom_L: i'm doing this just to do it. it may never cut metal but i wanna see if i can
12:22 AM rue_shop3: its ok, I got my atmega8
12:22 AM Tom_L: the mill that is
12:22 AM evilroot: My bots are already cutting aluminum
12:22 AM Tom_L: and maybe inspire someone else
12:23 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, all those projects are $20 budget, most of the time I spent less than that, I'v never broken the $40 cutoff
12:23 AM evilroot: rue_shop3: so is that something you do for a living?
12:23 AM evilroot: A hobby?
12:23 AM rue_shop3: just me
12:24 AM rue_shop3: I work as an electrician
12:24 AM rue_shop3: nice easy dayjob
12:24 AM Tom_L: rue_shop3, how big is the thru hole on your lathe?
12:24 AM rue_shop3: play at home
12:24 AM rue_shop3: Tom_L,
12:24 AM evilroot: Ah, so just fun
12:24 AM Tom_L: more than 16mm?
12:24 AM rue_shop3: 25.63mm, if you include the ripplies in the bad borring job
12:24 AM evilroot: I work with this stuff as a living
12:25 AM evilroot: Its all I do
12:25 AM rue_shop3: ah
12:25 AM rue_shop3: you couldn't do that here
12:25 AM evilroot: Currently at least, before I owned an electronics repair store
12:25 AM rue_shop3: there are exatly 0 robot arms between the 4 towns
12:25 AM rue_shop3: less mine
12:25 AM evilroot: And before that I bought stuff surplus and fixed it for a living
12:26 AM rue_shop3: no surplus here either
12:26 AM evilroot: Dang, that sucks
12:26 AM Tom_L: i'm gonna have to put those rails on standoffs on X
12:26 AM rue_shop3: yea
12:26 AM evilroot: I'm between 3 major universities
12:26 AM rue_shop3: nice
12:26 AM evilroot: As well as the Research Triangle
12:27 AM rue_shop3: do you go thru a lot of surplus stuff?
12:27 AM evilroot: Local "e-cycling" companies call me when they get things
12:27 AM evilroot: Because I pay more than scrap
12:27 AM rue_shop3: do you know if you can ship to canada?
12:27 AM evilroot: I can
12:27 AM evilroot: And I have
12:28 AM rue_shop3: well if I think of anything I'm looking for, can you look out for me?
12:28 AM evilroot: Sure!
12:28 AM rue_shop3: nice
12:28 AM evilroot: You have to pay customs and brokerage from what I understand
12:28 AM evilroot: But on my end I just send it
12:28 AM rue_shop3: heh, some kinda really small assembly line belt with chalkstops would be nice
12:29 AM rue_shop3: havn't worked out how to make one yet
12:29 AM evilroot: That's easy enough . . . how long and wide?
12:29 AM rue_shop3: prolly 4" wide and 48" long
12:30 AM rue_shop3: oh I could work on my vibrator bowl too
12:30 AM rue_shop3: I need to eat so I can think
12:30 AM evilroot: I have a linear slide off a large format printer that could do that
12:30 AM evilroot: Much better than a belt
12:32 AM * evilroot has been called the electronics crack dealer
12:32 AM evilroot: You tell me what you need, I get it muahahah
12:35 AM rue_shop3: continious assembly belt
12:35 AM rue_shop3: trays with stops
12:35 AM rue_shop3: robot arms along the sides, doing thigs to the trays
12:36 AM * rue_shop3 will get robots to make cookies yet
12:36 AM rue_shop3: infinATE COOKIE SUPPLY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
12:36 AM * rue_shop3 clears throat...
12:37 AM rue_shop3: heh, I need a 1200 square foot box that can fit in about 10 square feet of space
12:39 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, heh, there is garbage from ya, HCTL-2000
12:39 AM rue_shop3: no, I'm not even sure I could find a use for those
12:40 AM evilroot: erm
12:40 AM evilroot: That's actually the kind of stuff I do
12:40 AM rue_shop3: but getting 5 hctl-1100 from an old medical machine ran an excited shiver down my back
12:41 AM rue_shop3: then I got bummed out cause I realized that I REALLY can just use an avr
12:41 AM evilroot: Yeah
12:41 AM evilroot: I mean that's Agilent era
12:41 AM rue_shop3: and I'v started replacing the avrs with stm32, so I'm having quite a time catching up with myself
12:42 AM evilroot: Now its so much easier
12:42 AM rue_shop3: if yo get the pid right
12:42 AM rue_shop3: integrals still aren't being nice to me
12:42 AM rue_shop3: I think my good controllers are PD right now
12:42 AM rue_shop3: but...
12:42 AM rue_shop3: that said...
12:42 AM evilroot: Yeah, there is an Arduino library for that
12:42 AM evilroot: Ready to use
12:43 AM evilroot: Back in the day I would have to write something for a PIC microcontroller in assembly
12:43 AM rue_shop3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tG2bTOGxK0
12:43 AM rue_shop3: iirc thats actually just proportionate
12:43 AM evilroot: And now it's just there
12:44 AM evilroot: Ready to use
12:44 AM rue_shop3: its a linear strip from a printer
12:44 AM evilroot: Yeah
12:44 AM rue_shop3: and a plane jane solinoid
12:44 AM rue_shop3: I was impressed it recovered
12:44 AM evilroot: Should work well as a sex toy
12:46 AM rue_shop3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2xWgEdiTwc
12:46 AM rue_shop3: that worked nicely
12:46 AM rue_shop3: need to tune it up tho
12:46 AM evilroot: Why are you fixated with such old technology?
12:46 AM rue_shop3: just rebuilding a counteracting one
12:46 AM rue_shop3: its all I have out here!
12:46 AM rue_shop3: I'm doing what I can
12:46 AM evilroot: You can get an Arduino anywhere
12:47 AM rue_shop3: but I think I'm the only one to make (diy @ home) an air muscle servo
12:47 AM evilroot: You're not
12:47 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, its an avr, dosn't have to be an arudino
12:47 AM rue_shop3: show me someone else doing position control of an air muscle
12:47 AM rue_shop3: diy @ home
12:47 AM evilroot: I know! I used avr before it was "cool"
12:48 AM rue_shop3: cause I can only find 'bang-bang' controllers
12:48 AM evilroot: But the huge amount of work in open source makes controlling things so much easier and faster
12:48 AM rue_shop3: I jumped off the PIC bandwagon when they came out with the 16F877A that was COMPLETELY incompatible with the 16F877
12:48 AM evilroot: Well yeah
12:48 AM rue_shop3: and I was happy
12:49 AM evilroot: But that was 20 years ago!
12:49 AM rue_shop3: no more paged memory, no more assembly-only, no more /4 clock
12:49 AM evilroot: I was 14 when that happened and I was so happy
12:49 AM evilroot: Made things so much easier
12:52 AM evilroot: But now . . . now you just have to input parameters
12:52 AM rue_shop3: I find most public domain stuff dosn't actaully work properly
12:52 AM rue_shop3: I could tell a lot of stories
12:52 AM evilroot: The software is there, for nearly anything
12:52 AM evilroot: They just can't build
12:52 AM rue_shop3: there are NO wav playing libraries for arduino that work properly
12:52 AM evilroot: Or adapt, refit
12:52 AM rue_shop3: I'v build my own foundation, I can lego from it
12:52 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_base_XAxis1.jpg
12:52 AM evilroot: Why the hell would you want an Arduino to do sound?
12:52 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_base_XAxis2.jpg
12:52 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, sound player
12:52 AM rue_shop3: things like "suppers ready!"
12:52 AM Tom_L: need to lower Z axis a bit
12:52 AM rue_shop3: Tom_L, how do you assmeble the XY
12:52 AM Tom_L: but i left means to do that in the cad
12:52 AM evilroot: Tom_L: just get one of my Cartesian bots
12:53 AM evilroot: And call it a night
12:53 AM Tom_L: turn it over and put x screws in
12:53 AM rue_shop3: ok, didn't look like ther was access :)
12:53 AM Tom_L: where the hell is the fun in that?
12:53 AM evilroot: Better than anything you could ever make at half the price?
12:53 AM Tom_L: i didn't check rue
12:53 AM Tom_L: but i think there is
12:53 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, how much for one?
12:53 AM evilroot: I only have two left
12:53 AM evilroot: $800
12:54 AM Tom_L: yup looks like it
12:54 AM rue_shop3: hmm
12:54 AM rue_shop3: $1200cad + 500 shipping +
12:54 AM evilroot: 600x400x200mm, with a 15kg payload
12:54 AM evilroot: 1000mm/sec move speed
12:54 AM evilroot: And 60 micron X/Y 40 Z
12:55 AM rue_shop3: .06mm
12:55 AM rue_shop3: 2.3 thou
12:56 AM evilroot: .006
12:56 AM rue_shop3: see, if I lived somewhere real, I could buy that, make it pay itself off
12:56 AM rue_shop3: then play with it
12:56 AM rue_shop3: :(
12:56 AM evilroot: That's what I have done with mine, heh
12:57 AM evilroot: I had to buy 14 of them
12:57 AM evilroot: As a lot
12:57 AM evilroot: I have three in my shop
12:57 AM evilroot: I've sold 9 so far and still have two left
12:57 AM evilroot: (for sale)
12:58 AM evilroot: My shop only has room and power for three running at full speed and power
01:00 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/XY%20Gridplate.jpg
01:01 AM Tom_L: there's a gap between the rails and the plate for the screws to go in
01:04 AM Tom_L: thickness of the rail blocks
01:04 AM Tom_L: offset the 2 screw mounts a little so they don't interfere with each other
01:04 AM Tom_L: haven't located them in that shot yet
01:04 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, its funny
01:04 AM rue_shop3: I'm looking at a box under a table
01:04 AM rue_shop3: been thinking about it for the day now
01:07 AM rue_shop3: its contains mini AT 386 motherboards,
01:07 AM rue_shop3: I used to use them for robots
01:07 AM rue_shop3: cause they only need 5V
01:07 AM rue_shop3: they range from 16 to 40Mhz
01:07 AM rue_shop3: I think I'v had them tucked away 11 years now
01:07 AM rue_shop3: I dont think I can actually run linux on them now
01:07 AM rue_shop3: iirc, one of the later kernel versions requires 486 or better
01:07 AM rue_shop3: even tho its called '386'
01:07 AM rue_shop3: besides, whats a new linux kernel gonna do when faced with a whopping 32M of ram
01:07 AM rue_shop3: if I can get them that high
01:07 AM rue_shop3: my mowerbot runs dos
01:07 AM rue_shop3: off a 1.4M floppy image
01:07 AM rue_shop3: (not on a floppy anymore, moved it to a 16M CF card)
01:08 AM rue_shop3: I think the 386 can still do fp faster than... well an avr for sure
01:08 AM rue_shop3: 72Mhz arm?
01:08 AM rue_shop3: hmm, maybe
01:08 AM rue_shop3: I dont recall how many cycles the alu takes for fp
01:09 AM SpeedEvil: 386 has no FP
01:09 AM SpeedEvil: 387 was FP
01:09 AM SpeedEvil: Well, is
01:09 AM rue_shop3: ....
01:09 AM rue_shop3: ooo, that right, its the 486 that was mixed
01:10 AM rue_shop3: I think they have the 387's
01:10 AM evilroot: WTF are you doing?
01:10 AM rue_shop3: that must be why fp is off limits to the linux kernel
01:10 AM evilroot: I mean okay, middle of nowhere
01:10 AM SpeedEvil: rue_shop3: as long as it wasn't a cheap one, 486sx had disabled/broken FP
01:10 AM evilroot: But you're still on IRC
01:11 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, trying to make sure I have no reason to keep REALLY intel compatible board that run on 5V
01:11 AM SpeedEvil: rue_shop3: What if you find a cool ISA card?
01:11 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, I'm always on
01:11 AM rue_shop3: SpeedEvil, I'll use one of the PII boards :)
01:11 AM * evilroot gives up
01:11 AM rue_shop3: like the whoppingly fast 300Mhz cellery
01:11 AM rue_shop3: :/
01:11 AM evilroot: 5v is always everywhere
01:12 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, only some 386 boards ONLY require 5V
01:12 AM rue_shop3: aka, they dont need the -5 -12 or 12
01:12 AM evilroot: My servo controllers shit it out
01:13 AM rue_shop3: point is, while we been talking I been starring at the box
01:13 AM evilroot: I mentioned 386 as a throwback for the 90's!
01:13 AM rue_shop3: I'v not used them in 11 years
01:13 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_base_XAxis3.jpg
01:13 AM Tom_L: ok i lowered z a bit
01:13 AM Tom_L: should be good there
01:13 AM evilroot: . . . .
01:14 AM rue_shop3: cnc drilled holes for squareness?
01:14 AM rue_shop3: of xy
01:14 AM Tom_L: my bud has a bridgeport
01:14 AM rue_shop3: I wish I had ballscrews for my new cnc
01:14 AM evilroot: Time for bed
01:14 AM rue_shop3: I'm going to muff it with some bearings
01:14 AM evilroot: You're all crazy
01:14 AM rue_shop3: waiting for china on that
01:14 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, I'm just underfunded
01:14 AM Tom_L: we thrive on crazy
01:15 AM Tom_L: and i wanted to brush up on my cad skilz anyway
01:15 AM rue_shop3: evilroot, I still want to see that counteracting pneumatic muscle servo!
01:16 AM rue_shop3: not by festo either!
01:16 AM rue_shop3: I know festo can do it
01:16 AM Tom_L: rue_shop3, ballscrews aren't that much really
01:16 AM rue_shop3: too much for me
01:16 AM Tom_L: consider it good shop equipment like your lathe
01:16 AM rue_shop3: kinda
01:16 AM Tom_L: you paid $$ for your lathe
01:16 AM rue_shop3: kinda
01:17 AM Tom_L: and i presented you with a solid model
01:17 AM rue_shop3: Feb I'll pay off the mortguage, and then I can spend for 12 mo!
01:17 AM rue_shop3: then I'm chained back down to build a new house :(
01:18 AM Tom_L: dig a hole
01:18 AM rue_shop3: thought about it
01:18 AM Tom_L: that'll take ya about 10 yrs
01:18 AM Tom_L: at least i'm on good soil here
01:18 AM rue_shop3: I dont know how the hell to pull it off
01:18 AM rue_shop3: if nothing else I need the 1200 square foot shop
01:19 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/4.jpg
01:19 AM rue_shop3: if I have to bail, this shop can be made into a house
01:19 AM Tom_L: topsoil then sand
01:19 AM Tom_L: the black line divides the 2
01:19 AM rue_shop3: yup
01:20 AM rue_shop3: it'll be solid blue clay here
01:20 AM rue_shop3: damn stuff
01:20 AM Tom_L: east of me, you go down 4' and hit rock
01:21 AM Tom_L: that was fun drawing that anyway
01:21 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8355.jpg
01:21 AM rue_shop3: guy who did the excavator work shorted the size
01:21 AM rue_shop3: I had to dig 4' of the stuff myself
01:21 AM Tom_L: i remember that
01:22 AM rue_shop3: pickaze
01:22 AM rue_shop3: (mid right)
01:23 AM Tom_L: my footing is down 3' in places in the garage
01:23 AM rue_shop3: I should have taken it right to the 500 square feet
01:23 AM Tom_L: 24" is code normally
01:24 AM Tom_L: do you ever use the floor heating?
01:24 AM Tom_L: water pipes
01:24 AM rue_shop3: didn't work
01:24 AM Tom_L: what's wrong with it?
01:24 AM rue_shop3: option a) 100W lightbulb, not full duty
01:24 AM rue_shop3: option b) 1500W floor heat, continious 100% duty, for more than 12 days and still going full out
01:25 AM rue_shop3: I didn't put insulation under the shop
01:25 AM Tom_L: woops
01:25 AM rue_shop3: from what I can tell, there is enough water flow to suck out all the heat
01:25 AM rue_shop3: :/
01:25 AM rue_shop3: hey, its my first real building
01:25 AM rue_shop3: and that foam insulation is expensive
01:26 AM Tom_L: i did my garage as a first project
01:26 AM rue_shop3: I'd put it in if I had a do-over
01:26 AM Tom_L: well 2nd actually
01:26 AM Tom_L: i did a smaller shed before that
01:26 AM Tom_L: sold it when i did the garage
01:26 AM Tom_L: after that i had the basement dug and did everything but the cemenet
01:26 AM rue_shop3: I'd done a few free-standing buildings, none with a foundation
01:27 AM Tom_L: plumbing hvac electric sewer drywall etc
01:27 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8411.jpg
01:27 AM rue_shop3: you can see the line at the back where I had to dig it over
01:28 AM Tom_L: was that rainwater or did you flood it to soften the soil?
01:28 AM rue_shop3: ground water
01:28 AM rue_shop3: flowing and spouting from everywhere
01:28 AM Tom_L: water table that high?
01:28 AM rue_shop3: (no springs under the shop)
01:28 AM Tom_L: huh
01:28 AM rue_shop3: "wet lot"
01:29 AM Tom_L: i'd say so
01:29 AM rue_shop3: I put in a LOT of drainage
01:29 AM rue_shop3: all over the yard
01:29 AM rue_shop3: it took about 3 years to "drain off" the lot
01:29 AM Tom_L: you're not gonna move are ya?
01:29 AM rue_shop3: and I'v just recently realized it seems to have accidently killed two of the evergreen trees
01:30 AM rue_shop3: no
01:30 AM rue_shop3: why the *&^ is there a helmet?
01:30 AM Tom_L: it's not mine
01:31 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8673.jpg
01:31 AM rue_shop3: sigh
01:31 AM rue_shop3: yaknow, the shop was only expected to cost about $8000
01:32 AM rue_shop3: the other screwup in that image is that I didn't lap the sheets of remesh properly
01:32 AM rue_shop3: today there is a split perfectly down the middle of the floor where THE TWO SHEETS BUTT TOGETHOR
01:33 AM Tom_L: woops
01:33 AM Tom_L: i got lots of bar and mesh in mine
01:33 AM rue_shop3: its about 1mm wide, but pretty straight
01:33 AM Tom_L: 2 parallel bars in the footing
01:33 AM rue_shop3: the 90's on the pipe to the table were also an oops
01:33 AM rue_shop3: when I tried to put wire in them (but I got it)
01:34 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/9.jpg
01:34 AM Tom_L: that's all bar in the basement
01:34 AM Tom_L: 8" floor
01:34 AM rue_shop3: this is 4"
01:34 AM rue_shop3: trade
01:35 AM * rue_shop3 coughs
01:35 AM Tom_L: the way they did it was in 2 pours
01:35 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/8.jpg
01:35 AM Tom_L: you see the posts sticking out
01:35 AM rue_shop3: LOTS of concrete in my shop
01:35 AM Tom_L: that was to support the wall pour
01:35 AM Tom_L: then they broke them out and did another pour on the floor
01:36 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8674.jpg
01:36 AM Tom_L: these walls are 12 - 15" thick
01:36 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8676.jpg
01:36 AM rue_shop3: "uh, we can help, but we cant reach OVER the house"
01:36 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8677.jpg
01:37 AM Tom_L: why didn't he get closer?
01:37 AM rue_shop3: couldn't
01:37 AM rue_shop3: hey, it worked :)
01:37 AM Tom_L: they've got some pumps here that would go over the top of your house
01:37 AM rue_shop3: was NOT the plan
01:37 AM rue_shop3: yea
01:38 AM rue_shop3: small town, small tools
01:38 AM rue_shop3: people use small words
01:38 AM rue_shop3: and think small
01:38 AM Tom_L: simple life is ok
01:38 AM Tom_L: sleep time here
01:38 AM rue_shop3: but I'm happy to open my mouth and let those big words right out
01:38 AM Tom_L: 1:00 am
01:39 AM rue_shop3: night
01:39 AM Tom_L: gettin up early again
01:39 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8681.jpg first truck of concrete
01:39 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8682.jpg
01:40 AM rue_shop3: he stayed till like 2am and kept retrouling that thing
01:40 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8683.jpg
01:40 AM Tom_L: i remember those pics
01:40 AM rue_shop3: really passionate concrete guy
01:41 AM rue_shop3: I'd do the inner floor later if I did it again
01:41 AM rue_shop3: not a mono slab
01:41 AM rue_shop3: (gnight)
01:41 AM rue_shop3: I'd have poured the floor after the building went up
01:42 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8729.jpg I chose option B, "put the foundation insulation AROUND the foundation"
01:44 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8734.jpg STILL DONT HAVE A GUTTER }:|
01:44 AM rue_shop3: oo I forgot about the other pipe
01:45 AM rue_shop3: (grey, right)
01:47 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8767.jpg that stupid wall went up and down 3x before it was right
01:47 AM rue_shop3: "WTF WHERE IS THE FOAM THATS SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER IT!?"
01:47 AM rue_shop3: :)
01:47 AM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8774.jpg board helpers
03:30 AM rue_shop3: crap, I only get 2 days off and this one is over
04:17 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Where the heck did I leave my logic analzyer
04:26 AM anonnumberanon: my thoughts exactly rue_shop3
04:26 AM anonnumberanon: except I'm waking up and you're going to bed
04:26 AM anonnumberanon: ?
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01:03 PM rue_bed: evilroot, card for a norel phone system, about 18" high, about 1.5" wide, says "DS" on it, grey face
01:03 PM rue_bed: Nortel phone system
01:03 PM rue_bed: or maridian
01:04 PM rue_bed: should I work on the 12' mecha or the little rov today?
01:05 PM rue_bed: maybe if I get out of bed firs
01:07 PM Tom_L: wonder if i can cut the 2" on a table saw
01:13 PM robotustra: rue_bed, throw the coin
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02:02 PM evilroot: You mean a Nortel PBX board?
02:02 PM evilroot: o.O
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03:21 PM rue_shop3: got a customer that needs one, I think it would be worth shipping
03:21 PM rue_shop3: i think
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04:05 PM Tom_L: saw seems to work ok but the blade is a bit small so it takes 2 cuts per
05:24 PM Tom_L: rue_shop3, progress: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Z%20Upright%20bars.jpg
05:24 PM Tom_L: all those short ones take all the time
07:45 PM rue_shop3: oo nice and thick
07:46 PM rue_shop3: did the guy with the tractor come after you?
07:46 PM rue_shop3: your benchtop looks almost exactly like mine
07:46 PM rue_shop3: slightly dirty, oily, burnt and scratched
07:47 PM rue_shop3: new calipers?
07:49 PM theBear: heh, it is nice and thick, there's no denying it ! but i ain't seen no crazy tractor dude, no sir, and i use paraphrase the term dude in its traditional and non-colloquial sense, which i think we both know shows just how seriously I am taking this whole line of questioning ....
07:54 PM robotustra: it's good to have stock of square pipes
07:55 PM Tom_L: newer cheap calipers
07:57 PM Tom_L: my good ones finally gave up
08:00 PM robotustra: making kinda workbench https://imgur.com/UoKm7Pp
08:01 PM rue_shop3: :)
08:02 PM Tom_L: feels kinda good to have a project
08:02 PM robotustra: true
08:03 PM robotustra: it's good when I can dedicate a couple of hours to my projects
08:03 PM robotustra: it moves fast then
09:28 PM theBear: heh, i too hope to have that couple hours for my own projects, dare i even dream it, perhaps even two UNINTERRUPTED hours, and not just that, but consecutive to one another... i'm feeling lucky... quietly confident it'll all come together for that one this very calendar decade !
09:29 PM theBear: or is it a roman decade ? i wonder how a sumerian decade works...
09:48 PM robotustra: theBear, you sould work on it and you'll finally get it :) (2 hours of contigous time slice) :)
09:51 PM theBear: indeed... i certainly ain't given up, and recently i been very slowly "catching up", getting little chunks of time here and there... "catching up" is probably less accurate than saying "not going backwards, and MAYBE not quite sitting still, on a good day" ;-)
09:53 PM theBear: jeez ! mr weather box on my fone rectangle says it gonner hit 27 of the C-degrees in a while... can't be pretending that's still winter, no sir
09:58 PM robotustra: it's getting colder sir
09:59 PM robotustra: if you don't beleive your eyes, check it with your ass
09:59 PM robotustra: :)
09:59 PM theBear: hehe, you wacky foreigners and your crazy ideas :-)
09:59 PM robotustra: well, 27 is not so bad anyway
10:00 PM robotustra: little frost
10:04 PM theBear: crazy foo' ! i said teh c-deg's, real ones... you know, 0deg<>water<>100deg, none of that wacky "let's align nothing with some arbitrary weirdo number in the low-mid 30's and while we being a bit silly about it, let's make 100 roughly as warm as most people are on their insides ! awesome ! after that i spose pfft, we just scale everything else in relation to those two genius picks !" pfft ! as usual, you wacky foreigners ! always got something
10:04 PM theBear: else for me to giggle and rant about as soon as i catch my breath from the last one <wink>
10:06 PM robotustra: I must notice, that for me - you are a wacky foreighner too
10:07 PM Tom_L: naw he's just theBear
10:08 PM robotustra: theBear under beer?
10:08 PM theBear: very possibly one of teh wackiest, i like to imagine
10:08 PM robotustra: :)
10:09 PM theBear: underwaarg du porn ?
10:09 PM robotustra: theBear, anyway, what are your projects for today?
10:09 PM theBear: hmm, i think i spelled that wrong, you just reminded me of it, little random phrase from somewhere deep in the 90's of last millenia
10:10 PM robotustra: huh?
10:11 PM theBear: well, if i stop nonsensing at you, i hope to wash and dry all the wearable-in-public pants (and associated shirts and sundries i spose) that still fit my stupid legs/waist, that seem to have changed a couple inches or so for teh first time since my early teen years, but short version, i got 2 full machines worth of washing stacked on the machine, and no clothes left :-(
10:13 PM robotustra: ok, so go and wash it
10:13 PM robotustra: it's a friendly recommendation tho
10:19 PM theBear: heh, i'll get there, it's planning the logistics of the drying it after washing that is the tricky bit really, thus checking the weather thinger... course as usual the last couple years, it looking easier to go somewhere and obtain some gold-coin change, then go to the laundromat and use their kickass giant industrial dryers, and for bonus points their great big empty table top afterwards, for sorting and folding and what-not, cos the biggest empty
10:19 PM theBear: horizontal surface here these days is probably the half a sq foot or so dug into the mess on the electronics bench <grin>
11:27 PM rue_shop3: HMM
11:27 PM rue_shop3: I want to clear up my bench, but I'm not sure what to do with two large robots