#robotics Logs
Jul 09 2017
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12:23 AM rue_shop3: I think my brain is failing
12:26 AM rue_shop3: I'm starting to make more and more just wrong mistakes
12:26 AM rue_shop3: things I shouldn't get wrong
12:26 AM rue_shop3: and more and more words are vaporizing
12:32 AM z64555: just slow down a tad
12:33 AM z64555: and maybe sleep a bit more :)
12:39 AM rue_shop3: EVERYONE TRIES TO TELL ME THESE PROBLEMS I'M HAVING ARE NORMAL AND THEY ARE NOT
12:39 AM rue_shop3: a normal person dosn't accidently put salt in the freezer
12:39 AM rue_shop3: I need to replace my brain and I'm out of time
12:39 AM z64555: a very forgetful or distracted person does
12:40 AM z64555: nah, you need to focus on some projects and get them done. that'll free up some processing power for you to work a bit better
12:41 AM z64555: cleaning/organizing the work area has shown to also help a bit, too
12:41 AM rue_shop3: no, I'm quite certian I have a brain problem
12:41 AM rue_shop3: I forgot how to 3d print something
12:41 AM rue_shop3: its getting worse
12:42 AM rue_shop3: I was trying to open the stl repeatedly with pronterface
12:42 AM rue_shop3: and it took me waaay too long to figure it out
12:42 AM z64555: hows your fluids and vitamin intake?
12:43 AM z64555: specifically B's and D
12:43 AM z64555: oh
12:43 AM youngiif1: i made a stupid mistake too, mounted my webcam on my x-carriage, to have a nozzle-cam; well, i decided to print some abs, which means i put my enclosure on. i guess it was too hot for my camera, it went nearly solid white on video out
12:44 AM rue_shop3: this was not a mistake
12:44 AM z64555: sadly I must sleep. hope things turn out well with you, rue
12:44 AM rue_shop3: this was like standing at a door for 1/2hr trying to push it instead of pulling it
12:45 AM youngiif1: yeah, that sounds like maybe you need to see a doctor?
12:45 AM rue_shop3: trying, everything takes *another* 2 weeks
12:46 AM youngiif1: yeah that sucks
12:48 AM rue_shop3: sucks is trying to say a sentence and not remembering words
12:49 AM youngiif1: that would probably scare me pretty bad; and i'd probably want an mri of my head
12:49 AM rue_shop3: having to play sherades wit your doctor cause you cant remmeber the word cholesterol
12:51 AM anonnumberanon: lol
01:29 AM rue_shop3: ok, I got a stepper driver working, I just need to arduino it now
01:47 AM rue_house: This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later. Older versions might work but are not officially supported. Please consider upgrading your kernel.
01:47 AM rue_house: yea I'z afraid of that
01:49 AM rue_house: THAT collides with the video driver
01:49 AM rue_house: which is baaaad
01:50 AM rue_house: oh right, ftp.kernel.org was taken down
01:50 AM rue_house: FFFFFFFFFFFFF
01:51 AM rue_house: why the hell wont they let firefox connect to their webserver?
02:12 AM anonnumberanon: rue_house,
02:12 AM anonnumberanon: are you..tired?
02:12 AM anonnumberanon: you seem to be struggling way too much for a Saturday night
02:13 AM anonnumberanon: I told you before: NEVER do high level programming
02:32 AM calle__: libc and kernel.org hardly sounds like high level stuff
02:33 AM anonnumberanon: thanks calle__ what was I thinking?
02:37 AM calle__: "true programmers use assembly"?
02:40 AM anonnumberanon: it's not good wanting to do everything
02:41 AM rue_shop3: just sitting here melting
02:43 AM anonnumberanon: your A/C is also broken?
02:47 AM rue_shop3: heh
02:49 AM rue_shop3: good morning
02:53 AM rue_shop3: ok so I need some pulse counting, flashing code
03:03 AM rue_shop3: that should do it
03:04 AM rue_shop3: what did the imugr thing say?
03:04 AM rue_shop3: "When you feel like you just took a bad peice of software and just marginally hacked it to do what you wanted, just remember that a cpu is a rock we tricked into thinking"
03:04 AM rue_shop3: ~hum~
03:05 AM rue_shop3: _1_ truely is the lonliest number
03:05 AM rue_shop3: hmmm whats a good m328 to use
03:06 AM rue_shop3: oh look, an uno
03:06 AM anonnumberanon: too easy
03:06 AM anonnumberanon: force yourself to ARM
03:06 AM rue_shop3: hah
03:06 AM rue_shop3: not now...
03:07 AM rue_shop3: its a hack to make a motor go back and forth
03:07 AM anonnumberanon: oh wait, this is the reasoning that leads me to not finish projects
03:07 AM rue_shop3: heh
03:07 AM rue_shop3: yes, slipery slopes
03:07 AM rue_shop3: ok, so, whats B5 and B6 on an uno...
03:08 AM rue_shop3: screwit, I'll switch to port D wich is 1:1 with the uno numbers
03:08 AM rue_shop3: so what are you up to
03:08 AM rue_shop3: ?
03:09 AM anonnumberanon: rue_shop3, i may get another job
03:10 AM anonnumberanon: it's IoT so I'm really motivated but I have to brush up on C, C++, like probably being able to do all of the things in hackerrank in C and then C++ would prepare me I think.
03:10 AM anonnumberanon: so now I'm wasting time watching movies and series and thinking about it
03:10 AM anonnumberanon: https://www.hackerrank.com/
03:11 AM anonnumberanon: also they want experience in arm, and in real time operating systems for it
03:11 AM anonnumberanon: let me quote, actually
03:13 AM anonnumberanon: • Embedded kernel experience with mBedOS (or similar OS, such as TinyOS, Contiki, RIOT, uClinux and/or FreeRTOS)
03:13 AM anonnumberanon: • Development experience using ARM Cortex-M processors in low-power applications
03:13 AM anonnumberanon: • 5+ years proficient programming C/C++ using embedded / cross-compile tool-chains
03:13 AM anonnumberanon: THAT'S IT
03:17 AM anonnumberanon: well there's a lot more stuff but this is the problematic stuff out of all the requirements
03:23 AM anonnumberanon: b-but I did a real time, does that count as real time embedded system experience?
03:28 AM rue_shop3: got it working
03:28 AM rue_shop3: its going back and forth now
03:29 AM rue_shop3: waiting for the cnc machines to finish
03:29 AM rue_shop3: noisy!
03:30 AM rue_shop3: I wonder if the screw sorter will be quiet
03:30 AM rue_shop3: hmm
03:30 AM rue_shop3: not sure on your question
03:30 AM rue_shop3: isn't everything just about the same now?
03:31 AM anonnumberanon: jeez, what an insight
03:31 AM anonnumberanon: so anyway how far did you get with ARM?
03:32 AM rue_shop3: I got io going, timers, serial, adc...
03:32 AM rue_shop3: didn't get to the dma
03:32 AM anonnumberanon: see it as useful as a replacement for the atmegas?
03:32 AM rue_shop3: looks good
03:32 AM rue_shop3: at this point there isn't much pressure, but I have the dev framework happeneing
03:33 AM rue_shop3: urf, the one machine has like 8 hours left
03:33 AM rue_shop3: its 1am, maybe I should just go to bed
03:45 AM calle__: saying something is similar to uClinux, Contiki and FreeRTOS is kinda strange
03:46 AM calle__: similar to this C/C++
03:46 AM calle__: if c and c++ are similar to them, i wouldn't want to work for them
03:51 AM calle__: and actually who uses mBedOS, must be ARM itself ;)
04:13 AM anonnumberanon: i think he meant c and c++ similar/the same with each other
04:13 AM anonnumberanon: and that is somewhat true
06:02 AM calle__: yes they have some common past. but from the skillset and experience standpoint they are kinda different in a lot of ways, especially for embedded things are very different
06:03 AM anonnumberanon: skillset? go on
06:03 AM anonnumberanon: oh nvm i see what you mean
06:03 AM anonnumberanon: but this is what bothers me
06:04 AM anonnumberanon: with people thinking it's C/C++
06:04 AM anonnumberanon: i also suck at C++ and it makes me mad that it could be a long learning to get to where I am with C
06:05 AM calle__: i've seen so often, i would call it common place
06:05 AM calle__: but non the less, it is kinda strange to mix it if one is looking for specific traits in a potential employee
06:07 AM calle__: we had in our own job postings too, but when we actually defined an evaluation procedure for the candidates we changed it
06:08 AM calle__: we still expect everybody to read c and c++, but embedded c++ is what we really need (which is kinda exotic)
06:12 AM calle__: also the c++ i was exposed to in formal education is very different from the newer c++ versions availiable today
06:13 AM calle__: a company looking for c++11 or c++14 on embedded might have some interesting tasks at hand
06:18 AM calle__: .. soo enough ranting about companies and HR people ;)
07:24 AM calle is now known as mumptai
12:20 PM z64555: embedded c++? what?
12:23 PM z64555: that's just a subset of c++, if you wanted to enforce its rules, then having compiler options to disable/restrict those specific features would be used
12:33 PM mumptai: checking codings guidelines is fine, but there is more to embedded programming than some language aspects
12:51 PM SpeedEvil: Especially as 'embedded' is meaningless.
12:51 PM SpeedEvil: It varies from 4 bit mask programmed microcontrollers to clusters of desktop PCs in a sealed box.
01:06 PM mumptai: nah, c'mon. platforms with decent c++ compilers, and if it is linux or similar there is little difference to pc and server stuff anyways
01:07 PM mumptai: so, think little memory, likeley static mem management, some realtime aspects, no standard libs
01:15 PM rue_house: I want to sleep on the couch on the deck a night this week, finding it is going to be a choar
01:16 PM Tom_L: it's easy, you just plant your butt there when you can no longer stay awake at 4am
01:16 PM rue_house: no, the couch is burried
01:17 PM rue_house: I think there is a printer, 2 dvrs, a speaker, and about 8 cubic feet of I'm-not-sure
01:17 PM Tom_L: well unless they're paying rent, boot them off it
01:22 PM rue_house: I'm busy booting everything else
01:22 PM rue_house: almost finished stripping the medical analizer
01:23 PM rue_house: except for the fact that it might have made an awesome 3d silicone printer, its reducing nicely
01:23 PM rue_house: so I painted myself into a bit of a corner with my upgrade
01:23 PM rue_house: I removed openscad so I could do some things, and now I have to do a new kernel before I can finsih
01:24 PM rue_house: new kernels are NOT easy
01:24 PM rue_house: LOTS of hardware stuff to find and figure out again
01:24 PM Tom_L: how often do you change the tape on your print bed?
01:24 PM rue_house: every 3+ prints depending how much I care
01:24 PM rue_house: you can have a hole in the tape and it dosn't matter
01:25 PM rue_house: sometimes I dont try to preserve the tape when taking thigns off
01:30 PM rue_house: I'd like to start building my new spindle speed regulator
01:30 PM rue_house: the old one uses ~300Hz pwm
01:30 PM rue_house: I'd like to push it up to 20Khz
01:30 PM rue_house: and smooth it out better
01:31 PM rue_house: I think I'm using a 2 lobe interrupter right now
01:31 PM rue_house: that could go to a 3 lobe
01:31 PM rue_house: OR.... hmm, or I make a magnetic pickup ...
01:35 PM rue_shop3: what have a taught you rue...
01:36 PM rue_house: too many changes make for unfinished upgrades....
01:37 PM rue_house: I need some breakfast
01:37 PM rue_house: k, find a bowl and I'll fill it with some breakfast for you
01:39 PM rue_house: emulating a 2907 seemed to work ok
01:40 PM rue_house: esp since the 2907 is really supply voltage dependant, the emulation it digital, so its stable
01:40 PM rue_house: bowl
01:48 PM rue_shop3: I think I'll sort all the 7.5 degree steppers into their own bin
01:48 PM rue_shop3: I have one running this screw carrige belt back and forth, its awefull crude
03:09 PM rue_shop3: ARG, I HIT MY HEAD AGAIN, I'M GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE MY ROBOT BODY WITH A __THICK__ SKULL
04:34 PM SpeedEvil: rue_shop3: Or just wear a helmet 24*7
05:06 PM rue_shop3: yea, a robot wearing a helmet....
07:46 PM LuminaxWk: huh... I guess freenode have just about any channel imaginable...
07:46 PM LuminaxWk: morning folks, I'm wondering if anyone's well versed with the pneumatic muscle... the... McKibben I think ?
07:59 PM rue_shop3: yea
07:59 PM rue_shop3: thats me
07:59 PM rue_shop3: I'm the hobbist leader in air muscles
08:00 PM rue_shop3: LuminaxWk, what you want to know
08:00 PM rue_shop3: :)
08:00 PM rue_shop3: anniepoo, got the drive for the screw sorter going back and forth, I need to get that trapazoidal profile stuff going
08:00 PM rue_shop3: needs acceleration
08:02 PM LuminaxWk: eh...
08:02 PM LuminaxWk: I just saw some video from a research center in japan... seems like they're making it quite small
08:03 PM LuminaxWk: the publicly available ones are probably the likes of Festo's Pneumatic Rubber Actuator thing... I forgot what they're called
08:13 PM LuminaxWk: I'm just wondering if it's possible to create a more or less similar muscle tubes, and would cast silicon be a good material to make one, or is there any suggestion on what kind of rubber tubing would be best to use for the application
08:14 PM LuminaxWk: errr... silicon(e) ? damnit I can never remember which is which
08:19 PM rue_shop3: why not make you own?
08:19 PM rue_shop3: silicone dosn't seem to have the right stretch mode, dosn't work out
08:19 PM rue_shop3: as soon as it hits the loom, it just stops expanding
08:20 PM rue_shop3: maybe it locks into it.. .didn't think of that
08:20 PM rue_shop3: anyhow, you need 10x the pressure
08:20 PM rue_shop3: thin rubber, like baloons works best
08:20 PM rue_shop3: what are you making?
08:21 PM rue_shop3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq1uXv_NfrQ&list=PLEAC147CDF6E03FEA
08:21 PM rue_shop3: sorry for all bad musci
08:25 PM LuminaxWk: erk...
08:25 PM * LuminaxWk mutes
08:25 PM LuminaxWk: I'm at work ;P
08:26 PM LuminaxWk: I'm just venturing into the concept of robotic arms and remembers some demonstration about the air muscle
08:27 PM LuminaxWk: soo.... it looks like it's expanding in steps in this video, controlled pressure at different level ?
08:27 PM rue_shop3: no, I just pulse washing machine valves
08:28 PM rue_shop3: using an avr controller
08:28 PM LuminaxWk: washing machine valves... what kind of valves are those :o
08:28 PM rue_shop3: solinoids
08:28 PM LuminaxWk: full open full close ?
08:28 PM rue_shop3: you can 'tap' them
08:29 PM LuminaxWk: humm..
08:29 PM rue_shop3: proper proportionate valves are hundreds of dollars each
08:29 PM LuminaxWk: so the concept is rubber expansion contracting mesh of intertwined wire, yes ?
08:30 PM rue_shop3: the filament in the loom needs to maintain constant length
08:30 PM Tom_L: https://www.cableorganizer.com/expandable-sleeving/?gcssku=BS0125BK&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgqPbusH91AIVCQVpCh3eTQzFEAQYASABEgKacfD_BwE
08:30 PM Tom_L: that stuff
08:30 PM rue_shop3: because its woven around, it will contract if its pushed outwards
08:30 PM rue_shop3: the air pushes it out sideways, and, like a lever, it pulls in shorter
08:31 PM LuminaxWk: PET expandable... PET ? huh... interesting
08:31 PM LuminaxWk: thought they're nylon
08:31 PM Tom_L: maybe some are
08:31 PM Tom_L: it's the concept...
08:33 PM Tom_L: i should go try the mill...
08:33 PM LuminaxWk: think I can get these no problem
08:43 PM LuminaxWk: http://bit.ly/2tY6aaR <- for the 'balloon' ? wonder how strong these are
08:45 PM rue_house: dont have to be strong
08:45 PM rue_house: even 5 psi in an air muscle generates a LOT of force
08:45 PM rue_house: the baloon just has to plug all the holes in the loom
08:46 PM rue_house: BUT I was having issues with the latex disintegrating
08:46 PM LuminaxWk: that's a problem...
08:48 PM rue_house: yup
08:48 PM rue_house: sugical tubing dosn't work
08:48 PM rue_house: surgical
08:49 PM LuminaxWk: http://bit.ly/2tY2cPs <-- these ?
08:49 PM LuminaxWk: I was thinking of using those...
08:49 PM rue_house: yea, that dosn't work
08:50 PM LuminaxWk: they don't inflate well? or ?
08:50 PM rue_house: as soon as it hits the loom it just stops expanding
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: so it expands only a set amount, eh
08:53 PM rue_house: OOOOOH
08:53 PM rue_house: OOOOOOOOH
08:53 PM rue_house: THATS why I got silicone tube
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: o.O?
08:53 PM rue_house: its the surgical tube that disn't work
08:53 PM rue_house: I got silicone tube to try and by the time it arrived I'd forgotten
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: lol
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: does it even expand at all?
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: looks pretty rigid to me
08:53 PM rue_house: not tried yet
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: I used to use some in pneumatic/vacuum automation project
08:53 PM LuminaxWk: they're very valuable because they're so soft and pliable... but I don't think they expand that well
08:53 PM rue_house: they cant take high temp
08:53 PM rue_house: I think it exists in coffee makers
08:53 PM rue_house: nnedto be really thin wall
08:54 PM rue_house: I still dont know why I cant type properly on this ktyboard
08:54 PM LuminaxWk: wireless ?
08:55 PM rue_house: no
08:55 PM rue_house: I just cant type properly on it
08:55 PM rue_house: no problems with my model M
08:57 PM Luminax-Work is now known as LuminaxWK
08:59 PM LuminaxWK: back... stupid smartphone battery >_>
08:59 PM rue_house: I dont watch connect/disconnects
08:59 PM rue_house: wow, lots of people like 'garden valve handle'
09:00 PM rue_house: and 'spouted tray'
09:00 PM rue_house: the 80mm fan drille might have a challange to stay on top
09:02 PM LuminaxWK: hmmm ?
09:03 PM rue_house: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:706812/
09:03 PM rue_house: the most popular thing I designed
09:06 PM LuminaxWK: nice
09:12 PM Tom_itx: rue_house, what do you use for cad for those?
09:13 PM rue_shop3: librecad
09:13 PM Tom_itx: better than that cad thing they use?
09:13 PM rue_shop3: ?
09:13 PM Tom_itx: scad or whatever it was called
09:13 PM rue_shop3: I use scad to make things 3d
09:13 PM rue_shop3: I do all the 2d work in librecad
09:14 PM rue_shop3: the 3d things are mostly just extrustions of 2d things
09:14 PM Tom_itx: i know
09:14 PM Tom_itx: on stuff like that anyway
09:15 PM Tom_itx: my config is botched up
09:15 PM Tom_itx: not sure what exactly yet
09:15 PM rue_shop3: for the fpga?
09:15 PM Tom_itx: for the mill
09:15 PM Tom_itx: not sure what part
09:16 PM Tom_itx: i'm gonna have to 'remember' alot of stuff
09:16 PM Tom_itx: the fpga stores the config onboard i believe
09:16 PM Tom_itx: so that _should_ be ok
09:17 PM Tom_itx: i have that file anyway
09:17 PM Tom_itx: it's too hot out there to stay out there and debug it though
09:21 PM Luminax-Work is now known as LuminaxWk
10:01 PM Tom_itx: ok, it seems to be mostly working
10:01 PM Tom_itx: need to do a couple tweaks
10:03 PM rue_shop3: zhanx, Tom_itx whats the code for stainless welding rod?
10:04 PM zhanx: heat it first, watch your pool
10:04 PM zhanx: its tricky to weld
10:04 PM rue_shop3: whats the code
10:04 PM rue_shop3: 6011?
10:04 PM rue_shop3: no
10:04 PM zhanx: oh the rod
10:05 PM zhanx: tig is 4043
10:05 PM Tom_itx: idk, i don't do stainless
10:05 PM rue_shop3: 7011?
10:06 PM zhanx: or 308l (let me go look at the box)
10:07 PM zhanx: i got 316 rods at 3/32 for that
10:07 PM zhanx: harris brand
10:07 PM rue_shop3: arg, where did that stainless go
10:08 PM rue_shop3: bingo!
10:08 PM rue_shop3: yes 308
10:08 PM rue_shop3: looks kinda a gold colour
10:09 PM Tom_itx: ok at least the configs are all there and mostly as they were
10:10 PM Tom_itx: got it to move but i need to tweak a couple numbers
10:10 PM zhanx: well i was not too far off
10:10 PM zhanx: rue is making what?
10:14 PM rue_shop3: wow thats strange rod!
10:24 PM rue_shop3: food machine
10:24 PM rue_shop3: (supper machine)
10:26 PM LuminaxWk: isn't 'generic stainless' 304? or 314
10:26 PM LuminaxWk: I forgot all my material codes >_>
10:26 PM LuminaxWk: only thing I still remember is Alu6061
10:27 PM LuminaxWk: actually... let's see what SW has
10:29 PM LuminaxWk: AISI 316 seems to be the generic ones according to SW
10:30 PM LuminaxWk: aaand 304
10:35 PM rue_shop3: :P
10:35 PM rue_shop3: the sand blasting fogged everything up anyhow
10:36 PM rue_shop3: maybe I'll just paint it silver
10:36 PM rue_shop3: oh well, the stainless rod was fun!
10:36 PM rue_shop3: thats a good frame to make the food machine tho
10:37 PM rue_shop3: oh god, I have to take pics of what I do so that I know I did indeed have a vaccation when its over
10:41 PM rue_shop3: zhanx, what was the thing I was building, that you said you were gonna build, and then you started working on your truck instead?
10:42 PM rue_shop3: oh that was the 12' mecha, nevermind..
10:42 PM rue_shop3: hmmmmm
10:42 PM LuminaxWk: damn you sounds like you have an awesome workshop
10:43 PM LuminaxWk: all those tools I have had at one point in my life dabbled with... but no longer have access to :(
10:43 PM LuminaxWk: sandblasting, edm, wire edm, edm drill, mig...
10:44 PM LuminaxWk: still have vertical mill and lathe... just not using them at all these days
10:49 PM rue_shop3: :)
10:49 PM rue_shop3: the spot welder couldn't touch the 1/8" plate & 1/4" bar
10:49 PM rue_shop3: had to stick weld it
10:49 PM rue_shop3: (no tig tank)
10:50 PM LuminaxWk: mmmm arc weld
10:50 PM rue_shop3: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1137112
10:50 PM rue_shop3: ^ dunno zhanx ....
10:50 PM LuminaxWk: I learnt the art of creating the perfect wave from youtube >_>
10:50 PM rue_shop3: yea, I like tig, but $100/yr for a tank is tooooo much
10:51 PM LuminaxWk: ah, contractual
10:52 PM LuminaxWk: back in my previous previous company it was a MIG, and it was a 'replace as you used it up' model
10:52 PM LuminaxWk: ends up being cheaper than a yearly contract :3
10:53 PM rue_shop3: yea, the gas is only $40
10:53 PM rue_shop3: but takes me 3 years to empty a tank
10:53 PM rue_shop3: not good use of money
10:53 PM LuminaxWk: lol... yeah in that case you should look for a per-use replacement option
10:54 PM LuminaxWk: not a lot of gas supplier offer that, though
10:54 PM rue_shop3: no, I'll just buy a tank
10:54 PM LuminaxWk: that works too
10:54 PM rue_shop3: you see, they charge you for NET tank
10:54 PM rue_shop3: they dont care which tank is which
10:55 PM rue_shop3: as long as I'm not NET a tank, they dont charge me $100/yr tank lease
10:56 PM LuminaxWk: mmhmm
10:56 PM LuminaxWk: lease business model... one of the nastiest to ever come out of business management quagmire
10:56 PM rue_shop3: buy tank(A)
10:56 PM rue_shop3: get full tank(B)
10:56 PM rue_shop3: return tank (A)
10:56 PM rue_shop3: net 0 tanks
10:57 PM rue_shop3: ok what other welding was there
10:57 PM rue_shop3: ah right, the pipe bender
10:57 PM rue_shop3: I'm fighing tired again tho
10:57 PM LuminaxWk: :o
10:58 PM LuminaxWk: don't do that kind of work tired/sleepy
10:58 PM LuminaxWk: I burned my fingers once grabbing an aluminium bar after I cut it with an iron cutter disk
10:58 PM LuminaxWk: HOT, I tell you
11:05 PM rue_shop3: yea, it would be
11:05 PM rue_shop3: you technically melted thru it
11:06 PM rue_shop3: need to make shop space
11:06 PM rue_shop3: wow, its getting harder
11:09 PM LuminaxWk: that burned finger helped me buy a proper aluminium blade though so... a worthy sacrifice I'd say :3
11:13 PM * Tom_itx recalls a time when rue_shop3's shop was empty
11:17 PM LuminaxWk: I'm planning to purchase a house with big enough garage and yard area to make my own shop... maybe this year >_>
11:33 PM codepython7771: Does anyone have a compact horizontal band saw here?
11:50 PM SpeedEvil: why orizontal?
11:51 PM codepython7771: SpeedEvil: just trying to make some clean cuts on small metal pieces (steel - alum )
11:52 PM SpeedEvil: vertical and clamp works.
11:53 PM codepython7771: SpeedEvil: any particular ones that you recommend?
11:53 PM SpeedEvil: Nope
11:54 PM SpeedEvil: you'd want - for steel - one that goes down to quite a low wheelspeed, and appropriate blade
11:54 PM SpeedEvil: also, portaband+stand
11:57 PM codepython7771: SpeedEvil: thanks
11:57 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/portable-bandsaw-stand.html
11:59 PM SpeedEvil: also youtube vid