#robotics Logs
Mar 26 2017
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12:05 AM branjb: jeez
12:08 AM branjb: I want a nema 17 with 30mm shaft
12:08 AM branjb: price jump from 25 -> 30mm = $280 USD
12:08 AM rue_house: branjb, dont put the screw thread in the brearing, but the answer is 8mm or 5/16
12:08 AM branjb: yeah
12:08 AM rue_house: adapt the threaded rod to something not threaded
12:08 AM rue_house: but its almost impossable to do and keep everything centered
12:08 AM branjb: I got one of those screws that are flat near the head
12:08 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Why are you going to a 30mm shaft?
12:08 AM rue_house: 30mm long...
12:10 AM rue_house: cause 30mm would be most of the size of the shaft if its diam
12:12 AM anonnumberanon: i've found how to do that sound lol
12:12 AM anonnumberanon: viper 7 helped me at electronics he is my current hero
12:14 AM Jak_o_Shadows: yep. So I definitely thought 30mm diam. Which is silly.
12:16 AM Jak_o_Shadows: That's pretty cool branjb
12:20 AM anonnumberanon: here's the sound btw
12:21 AM anonnumberanon: change frequency to 1200 and set to square wave http://onlinetonegenerator.com/
12:27 AM branjb: this is what i've copied so far haha: https://goo.gl/photos/5Ahf5qmiw6WD3xks5
12:31 AM rue_house: why is there an idler?
12:33 AM rue_house: impressive print quality
12:33 AM rue_house: prolly a 20hr print
12:37 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Mmm. Could you not just have them not on the same shaft, and run the two motors at the same speed if you only want one to change?
12:46 AM pokmo: does anyone know what the common angle of operation for hobby servos is?
12:47 AM pokmo: is it near 180 degs?
12:49 AM anonnumberanon: yeah
12:49 AM anonnumberanon: maybe more iirc
12:50 AM pokmo: hmm all of the ones i've got seem to be doing just 90
12:51 AM pokmo: i always thought it'd be around 180
12:51 AM pokmo: but this seems to suggest 90 https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/hobby-servo-tutorial
12:52 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Ones I have are 170ish?
12:54 AM anonnumberanon: what controller are u using maybe it itself is limited in the wave it sends to the servo?
12:54 AM pokmo: i'm just using an arduino
12:55 AM pokmo: well, 120 degs to be accurate actually
12:56 AM pokmo: are there cheap servos out there that can do 270 degs?
12:59 AM zhanx: pokmo: heck continuous rotation servos are cheap also
01:00 AM pokmo: zhanx, really? which one?
01:00 AM anonnumberanon: pokmo, post code?
01:01 AM zhanx: https://www.amazon.com/Parallax-Inc-Continuous-Rotation-Servo/dp/B00B886KSE
01:01 AM pokmo: anonnumberanon, https://dpaste.de/UM37
01:02 AM anonnumberanon: pokmo, nothing happens if you try to go above 180 or under zero?
01:02 AM pokmo: zhanx, oh. i was hoping for a micro servo
01:03 AM * zhanx points at google
01:03 AM pokmo: anonnumberanon, no nothing
01:05 AM pokmo: zhanx, do continuous servos have positional control?
01:05 AM zhanx: well they go - + and thats about it. unless you add on
01:05 AM zhanx: openservo
01:06 AM pokmo: zhanx, oh, so they're more like motors than servos?
01:06 AM zhanx: well they hold, and not really a motor
01:11 AM pokmo: hmm
01:11 AM pokmo: i guess stacking up servos could give it more sweep?
01:13 AM anonnumberanon: yeah
01:14 AM Jak_o_Shadows: cough*gears*cough
01:20 AM pokmo: Jak_o_Shadows, yeah, that too
01:20 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I'd say linkages, but gears are easier for increasing range of motion
01:23 AM pokmo: Jak_o_Shadows, linkages? how?
01:26 AM pokmo: you mean belts?
01:26 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Nah. Like, rigid links.
01:26 AM Jak_o_Shadows: I'm not sure how you would increase the range of motion with them.
01:26 AM Jak_o_Shadows: But I'm sure it's possible.
01:26 AM Jak_o_Shadows: Through probably not anywhere near the best soln here.
01:36 AM mun: the output of servos is usually a spline. how do you attach it to a gear?
01:38 AM anonnumberanon: the spline has a threaded hole in its center for a screw
01:41 AM mun: anonnumberanon, but will that be adequate? the screw will turn with the spline, but only the bottom of the screw head touches the gear
01:42 AM anonnumberanon: this is complicated mun
01:43 AM Jak_o_Shadows: 131 kByte/s transfer from a uC! That'll do.
01:43 AM Jak_o_Shadows: and there doesn't appear to be any sort of framing errors like I was getting with serial
01:44 AM mun: anonnumberanon, they seem to use a screw like you said https://depts.washington.edu/soslab/turbidostat/pmwiki/pub/uploads/ConstructionManual/SyringePump/attach_gear.jpg
01:44 AM mun: perhaps it's the washer that makes the difference?
01:44 AM anonnumberanon: how Jak_o_Shadows what protocol?
01:45 AM mun: but the back of the gear could be rubbing against the servo housing
01:59 AM rue_shop3: :/ first failure of my new printer
02:00 AM rue_shop3: one of the connectors for the carige got bad and burned up (heater line of course)
02:00 AM rue_shop3: :S
02:00 AM rue_shop3: halved the load to it, rebuilt it, and de-ox'd it
02:00 AM rue_shop3: shouldn't happen again (shouldn't have happened in the first place)
03:00 AM rue_house: I always use the spline adapters that come with the servos, and attach THAT to the printed/etc part(s)
04:50 AM mun: rue_house, you mean the horns that come with the servos?
05:15 AM SpeedEvil: http://imgur.com/gallery/4yeFi
05:15 AM Jak_o_Shadows: anonnumberanon,no protocol. Just bulk data transfer through an endpoint
05:16 AM Jak_o_Shadows: mun, yes. I do that as well
01:43 PM rue_house: yes
01:56 PM robotustra: rue_house: where is Tom?
01:58 PM rue_house: oh, right, I'm gonna see if I can find the number for the local police
01:59 PM rue_house: ask for a welfare check on him
02:05 PM branjb: http://imgur.com/a/UMPCK it's coming along
02:08 PM rue_house: robotustra, what country you in?
02:08 PM rue_house: branjb, indeed
02:27 PM robotustra: rue_house: Montreal as usual
02:28 PM rue_house: ok I called witchita police, they are gonna do a welfare check
02:30 PM robotustra: how old is Tom?
02:30 PM robotustra: he just dissapear from IRC?
02:33 PM rue_house: yea
02:33 PM rue_house: more over
02:33 PM rue_house: every time I get 'stuck' on a song for days on end, someone dies
02:34 PM rue_house: over the last 2 weeks or so, I been stuck on a song
02:34 PM rue_house: un-nerving as all hell
02:34 PM rue_house: I'v emailed and left messages, no replies
02:35 PM rue_house: he didn't say anything, I'm sure he would have
02:41 PM rue_house: tom is on vaccation
02:41 PM rue_house: wtf not say anything!?
02:44 PM robotustra: :)
02:44 PM robotustra: no internet connection?\
02:44 PM robotustra: on vacationsa from internet?
02:44 PM rue_house: yea, like wtf eh?
02:45 PM robotustra: I sometimes leave irc for a couple of monthes, but I read emails
02:46 PM rue_house: you dont have a habbit of being here every day for the last 15 years
02:47 PM rue_house: me and tom do
02:47 PM robotustra: there is an anecdote about this
02:48 PM robotustra: 2 guys were drinking tea at 6 pm for 25 years
02:48 PM rue_house: its been a few weeks, I think thats long enough...
02:48 PM robotustra: and one day one of guys didn't came, because he is just tired
02:49 PM robotustra: may be he reestimated his time spent in irc
02:50 PM rue_house: I would really have thought he would say something
02:50 PM rue_house: or fixed the computer ;)
02:51 PM robotustra: or he did got new information that he will live for some limited period of life and he decided to spend the rest of the time with the use
02:51 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3y7iJEe7uM
02:51 PM SpeedEvil: Mars Helicopter Scout
02:51 PM SpeedEvil: 1kg 2 minute a day helicopter for mars, 600m range
02:52 PM robotustra: SpeedEvil: I forget, do you work for NASA or SpaceX?
02:52 PM SpeedEvil: Neither, I think.
02:53 PM robotustra: you are not sure?
02:53 PM SpeedEvil: No, seriously.
02:53 PM robotustra: coaxial helicopter - is not new design at all
02:54 PM SpeedEvil: No, it's not.
02:54 PM robotustra: SpeedEvil: but you are space curious guy?
02:54 PM SpeedEvil: But moderately interesting on a ~1% atmosphere density, solar powered, severely mass constrained, with the prop rotating at a large fraction of sound speed
02:55 PM rue_house: wasn't gallilao's copter coaxial?
02:55 PM SpeedEvil: It was fictional
02:56 PM robotustra: you mean leonardo helicopter?
02:56 PM rue_house: and I think it was coaxial
02:56 PM rue_house: yea, sorry
02:56 PM robotustra: no, it wasn't
02:56 PM robotustra: one rotor
02:56 PM rue_house: burn, he was so close
02:57 PM robotustra: yeah the idea to fly in so thing atmosphere sounds interesting
02:58 PM robotustra: another problem - helicopters is very easy to crash
02:58 PM robotustra: GuShH: brazil?
02:59 PM GuShH: nope
02:59 PM GuShH: why?
02:59 PM robotustra: south america?
02:59 PM GuShH: yes
02:59 PM robotustra: long time didn't saw you here
02:59 PM GuShH: I know, what's up
03:00 PM robotustra: I don't remember where we stopped
03:00 PM robotustra: everything is more less ok
03:01 PM robotustra: last time I remember you tried to remove some beast from your house roof
03:01 PM GuShH: lol
03:01 PM robotustra: may be 2 years ago
03:02 PM robotustra: SpeedEvil: I think this kind of heli design is good for earth too
03:03 PM robotustra: I would like to have it more than common quadrucopter
03:03 PM SpeedEvil: Quads are more tractable on earth due to the lower inertia
03:03 PM robotustra: what do you mean?
03:03 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEPf0QHVuMM - htough
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: On mars, the prop needs to be massive and travelling ridiculously fast to lift
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: this means high inertia, and that you need a swashplate and stuff as you can't control thrust by RPM
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: A Swashplateless MAV: Thrust, Roll, Pitch, and Yaw from Only Two Motors
03:04 PM GuShH: robotustra: probably, still dealing with the aftermath
03:05 PM robotustra: SpeedEvil: yeah, that's the design I can imagine
03:05 PM robotustra: aftermath?
03:06 PM GuShH: roof damage
03:06 PM GuShH: I'll be buying the materials and tools to finish this week hopefuly
03:06 PM GuShH: brb
03:07 PM robotustra: and you didn't have enouph money for internet?
03:07 PM robotustra: SpeedEvil: interesting solution
03:09 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FU_HeXyI-Y
03:09 PM robotustra: not bad also
03:12 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkohUPIRNQ double motors
03:13 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI4LI4DgiOw and it's fly
03:35 PM branjb: who is tom? the z##### guy?
03:36 PM branjb: also didn't realize this channel was 15 years old. is one of the more interesting/useful irc channels I've ever found too
03:39 PM veverak: who is me?
03:40 PM deshipu: that's one of the unanswered questions of philosophy
03:41 PM veverak: btw:
03:41 PM * veverak is generalizing the code
03:41 PM veverak: always fun
03:41 PM robotustra: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/index.php tom is the owner of this site
03:44 PM branjb: I love oldschool websites like that
03:44 PM branjb: HTML5 web2.0 stuff is just fluffer
03:46 PM deshipu: mosaic was the death of the web
03:52 PM branjb: dunno what mosaic is/was but if it's what led to megasite shits and the death of small/individual sites, then yeah
03:54 PM robotustra: mosaic it was the first html browser ever
04:08 PM deshipu: robotustra: no, it was just the first one with graphics
04:08 PM deshipu: robotustra: and at that moment the whole thing started to fall apart
04:12 PM robotustra: the first one was links?
04:13 PM deshipu: no, links is very recent
04:14 PM deshipu: the first one was called World Wide Web
04:14 PM deshipu: then there was a number of others
04:15 PM deshipu: none survive today
04:17 PM deshipu: I think the oldest that is still in use is Lynx
04:19 PM robotustra: fair enough
04:21 PM deshipu: you can make a nice graph showing how the average IQ of people publishing to WWW changed as new browser were introduced
04:21 PM deshipu: the first big drop was Mosaic, and then it only got worse
04:21 PM branjb: the glory days of the internet were the late 90's imo
04:21 PM branjb: UBB everywhere
04:22 PM deshipu: branjb: the dotcom bubble?
04:22 PM branjb: wasn't as commercialized and shady
04:22 PM branjb: yeah, or shortly before
04:22 PM branjb: the dotcom bubble was dumb
04:22 PM branjb: bunch of rich stupid investors
04:23 PM deshipu: I think that we will eventually come up with ways to set rules so that stuff is not as shady as it is now
04:23 PM deshipu: it's the wild west now, just after the gold rush ended and oil rush started
04:23 PM branjb: now the internet is just a giant venue for manipulation and propaganda
04:24 PM branjb: entire companies based on search engine manipulation and advertising by pretending not to
04:24 PM deshipu: we don't have laws for the information gathering, because it was always too hard to do to really do much harm with it
04:24 PM deshipu: I wonder if we will eventually have a database tax
04:25 PM deshipu: that would be one way to disincetivize companies from collecting all the data
04:25 PM branjb: lol
04:25 PM deshipu: you laugh, but think about it
04:25 PM branjb: attach an asset value to it
04:25 PM branjb: tax based on asset value of said database
04:25 PM deshipu: or just per gigabyte
04:26 PM deshipu: then they will at least think twice before saving something
04:26 PM branjb: I bet that would spur database size reduction/compression schemes even more
04:26 PM deshipu: of course won't happen as long as Google and Amazon are lobbying
04:29 PM Snert: they want you to "pay for protection". From the financial system that they gave you to use. (lifelock @ $30.00/month)
04:29 PM branjb: haha
04:30 PM Snert: same will happen in order to totally opt out of advertising too.
04:30 PM Snert: I refuse to "pay protcetion" money.
04:31 PM Miyu is now known as hackkitten
04:31 PM deshipu: the facebook/twitter/g+ bubble will burst soon
04:31 PM deshipu: that should clear some air
04:32 PM deshipu: there will be room for less manipulative syndication then
04:34 PM branjb: i'm tired of everything being an advertisement
04:34 PM branjb: articles/product reviews being subtle ad placements
04:34 PM branjb: etc
04:35 PM Snert: soon..... he's on #robotics? Let's just pitch him some ads in his browser about arduinos and motors......
04:35 PM branjb: ...sadly, i'm ok with that
04:36 PM branjb: all my promoted content is robotshop.com stuff
04:36 PM branjb: haha
04:36 PM Snert: if it's correctly targeted, I almost agree. Sadly.
04:36 PM branjb: most of the time though it makes me interested in something I didn't realize I needed or existed, then I see the prices on robotshop, and go to ebay/aliexpress/banggood though
04:37 PM deshipu: I don't care, I have all adds blocked anyways
04:37 PM deshipu: ads
06:50 PM veverak: beeen thinking
06:51 PM veverak: I need, to store strucutres in memory, in a specific way, like one unit is actually: "A(BC^m)^n"
06:51 PM veverak: wheren m and n are constants that are known only during runtime, and A,B,C are structures
06:51 PM veverak: could reduce memory usage a lot, because now I khave std::vector<A>, std::vector<B>, std::vector<C>
06:51 PM veverak: and most of the memory is sued to storing indexes to these vectors
06:54 PM veverak: B is 12 bytes, and I use 2x4bytes values to define where 'C' structures start and end in their vector
06:55 PM veverak: or
06:55 PM veverak: come to think of it
06:55 PM veverak: biggest sucker are C strucutres, which are 8 bytes and I doubt they can be reduced
07:04 PM SpeedEvil: What?
07:04 PM SpeedEvil: On what platform.
07:06 PM * veverak uses idnexes for vector
07:06 PM veverak: I mean, uint32_t now
07:06 PM veverak: not std::size_t
07:06 PM veverak: :)
07:10 PM veverak: SpeedEvil: I switched to using uint[8,16,32]_t based on estimate of that vector size
07:10 PM veverak: that reduced size of structures a lot
07:11 PM SpeedEvil: Explicitly allocating arrays or blocks can help lots.
07:11 PM veverak: also
07:11 PM veverak: I am thinking about making some "sorting" rules on the vectors
07:12 PM veverak: I can say that that each vertixe has exactly 'n' edges in graph (which is really close to truth)
07:12 PM veverak: I can than make simple "vertice_index_from_edge_index" and other way methods
07:13 PM veverak: and thous remove the information from the structures itself -> great reduction in bitesize
07:14 PM veverak: "for node of index 'i' there is first edge at 'i*n' and last edge at 'i*n + n'"
07:19 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:23 PM robotustra: tom finally
07:31 PM robotustra: Tom_L: rue was looking for u
07:44 PM rue_shop3: Tom_L, sorry about that
07:44 PM rue_shop3: after 2 weeks I was getting really worried you had died
07:44 PM rue_shop3: (and family)
07:44 PM Tom_L: about what? the cops calling me on my cell?
07:45 PM Tom_L: 10 days
07:45 PM rue_shop3: or that you'd been hit by a tornado (but your router still running)
07:45 PM rue_shop3: :/
07:46 PM Tom_L: i knew right away who it was when the cop said it was some crazed maniac from canada
07:47 PM rue_shop3: you didn't even mention anything you gonna be away for 2 weeks!?
07:47 PM rue_shop3: :)
07:47 PM Tom_L: didn't really wanna advertise me being gone
07:47 PM rue_shop3: ok, but
07:47 PM Tom_L: especially after getting broke into
07:48 PM rue_shop3: yea
07:48 PM rue_shop3: have you ever been away in the last, like 15 years?
07:48 PM Tom_L: it's been at least a couple years
07:50 PM Tom_L: funny to actually hear you on the machine :D
08:03 PM branjb: got my camera mount situated: https://vid.me/oWgM
08:05 PM rue_shop3: :)
08:06 PM rue_shop3: nice to know I got the right number
08:06 PM rue_shop3: esp when calling at 1am
08:06 PM orlock: drill presses and vices for them
08:06 PM orlock: i bought one of each, and they don't fit
08:06 PM orlock: :-(
08:10 PM rue_shop3: one of the 3d printers tried to catch fire yesterday
08:10 PM rue_shop3: and the sherline seems to have taken well to the new brushes
08:11 PM Tom_L: i didn't even check the timestamp
08:11 PM Tom_L: don't answer that line much anymore
08:12 PM Tom_L: rue_shop3, you put brushes in the old motor?
08:12 PM Tom_L: how'd that go?
08:14 PM rue_shop3: trickey
08:14 PM rue_shop3: I ignored the sherline instructions
08:15 PM rue_shop3: I was able to use a dremel wheel to cut a small holding slot for the spring in the holder
08:15 PM rue_shop3: with the cap almost completely on, I was able to flip the spring onto the bush
08:15 PM rue_shop3: and finish assembling
08:16 PM Tom_L: i got my old one back together but didn't change the brushes out
08:16 PM Tom_L: wasn't sure i could even get em
08:17 PM rue_shop3: $41 cad :/
08:19 PM Tom_L: i ripped some of the wires off the commutator but did get them all back in order
08:19 PM Tom_L: keeping it as a spare now
08:20 PM rue_shop3: I was quite amused that the motor has the field wires going to it, but its a PM motor, so they are just cappped off in the (no space) motor
08:23 PM robotustra: < Tom_L> i knew right away who it was when the cop said it was some crazed maniac from canada
08:23 PM robotustra: :)
08:53 PM justan0theruser: anyone know how to annotte threading information in an autodesk inventor drawing view?
08:55 PM branjb: annotte?
08:55 PM branjb: annotate?
08:55 PM Tom_L: not sure in inventor
08:56 PM Tom_L: you didn't ask in linuxcnc?
08:56 PM Tom_L: you're more likely to get an answer there
08:57 PM Tom_L: andy uses it i know
08:58 PM branjb: alright, got image tracking basics set up on my turret: http://imgur.com/a/l16FX
08:58 PM Tom_L: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-forum/inventor-2015-thread-annotation-missing/td-p/5117352
08:58 PM Tom_L: could shed some light
08:58 PM branjb: all I need now is to write the control firmware
08:59 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGYBerL7I4
08:59 PM branjb: http://imgur.com/a/pc88b
08:59 PM Tom_L: or maybe that
09:36 PM rue_house: branjb, why so thick?
09:36 PM rue_house: that plastic could be 1/3 that thickness and hold it all just the same
09:36 PM rue_house: so, why so thick?
09:36 PM rue_house: hmm
09:36 PM rue_house: less than 100 days to make the 12' mecha
09:36 PM rue_house: arg
09:55 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
09:58 PM branjb: rue_house, I dunno, I just made it in inventor and printed it
09:58 PM branjb: it has a nice weight to it
10:00 PM rue_house: if that one project used up a whole spool of plastic, would you care?
10:00 PM branjb: not really
10:00 PM rue_house: aha
10:01 PM branjb: I have more filament than I know what to do with
10:01 PM rue_house: are you paying between $30 and $50 per spool?
10:01 PM branjb: yeah
10:01 PM Tom_L: melt it
10:01 PM branjb: it only used like 1/4 a spool
10:01 PM rue_house: and, for you, is that cheap or expensive?
10:01 PM rue_house: for a project?
10:01 PM branjb: it's about average
10:02 PM branjb: it's probably $10 in plastic
10:02 PM rue_house: its intersting, I see people POURING money at projects by basically wasting 3d printer plastic, and I cant understand it
10:02 PM rue_house: but, everyone does it
10:02 PM branjb: I wanted it to feel thick and solid too
10:02 PM rue_house: I guess lots of people have a lot of disposable income
10:03 PM rue_house: huh
10:03 PM Tom_L: one prof at the vo-tech printed all his 'toys' at 100%
10:03 PM branjb: lol
10:03 PM Tom_L: just because he could
10:03 PM branjb: I at least do 10%
10:04 PM Tom_L: then they would bitch when we took too many designs to them to print
10:06 PM rue_house: even the heavy-made paint sprayers that were making dont take up more than like $6 in plasti
10:06 PM rue_house: c
10:06 PM Tom_L: how's that project going?
10:06 PM rue_house: its not going away
10:07 PM rue_house: inter people issues are starting
10:07 PM Tom_L: on their end or yours?
10:07 PM rue_house: for the second batch, they asked for ones that required a bunch of rework of all our peices
10:08 PM rue_house: our end, I have me, and two buddies working on this
10:08 PM rue_house: one of them wants to make the product like he thinks it should be made
10:08 PM rue_house: instead of what they are asking for
10:09 PM rue_house: I'm just facilitator, my goal is to set it up so they can turn time into money
10:09 PM Tom_L: generally when doing such work, it is done to a predetermined specification
10:09 PM rue_house: being I have the shop and design capability to set them up on it
10:09 PM Tom_L: and that should be cut and dried on a print
10:09 PM rue_house: yea, they brought us a sprayer and asked us to make them
10:10 PM Tom_L: so design changes cost money
10:10 PM rue_house: yup, and one of the guys wants to redesign it his way
10:10 PM rue_house: yup
10:10 PM Tom_L: fire that one
10:10 PM Tom_L: hire another one
10:10 PM rue_house: these are all buddies
10:10 PM Tom_L: bad idea in business
10:10 PM rue_house: so, its a bit more complex
10:11 PM rue_house: well, yes,
10:11 PM rue_house: there are personallity differences too
10:11 PM Tom_L: of course
10:11 PM rue_house: well, and one of them prettymuch comes over in evenings and the other during the body of the day
10:11 PM rue_house: so, its not like were all there at once working on things
10:11 PM rue_house: ho hum
10:12 PM Tom_L: no supervision
10:12 PM rue_house: yes no, I overlap some of them some of the time
10:12 PM Tom_L: nobody is here so i'll do it how i want to
10:12 PM rue_house: for now, thats not happening
10:13 PM rue_house: I was thinking about it today, I'm just supplying the ability and teaching them how to make them
10:13 PM Tom_L: draw it up in cad, and print the drawing.... this is what we are making
10:13 PM rue_house: its drawn, I'd just have to say it
10:13 PM Tom_L: these are the tolerances we have to hold
10:13 PM rue_house: well, QC is another issue I realized at the end of the last batch
10:13 PM rue_house: :)
10:14 PM rue_house: !?!?! this one... the... ARG...
10:14 PM Tom_L: this is how we check each part of the puzzle
10:14 PM Tom_L: i had to come up with stuff like that on the programmers
10:14 PM rue_house: were doing S/N 7-12 right now
10:14 PM Tom_L: but i didn't have any help
10:14 PM Tom_L: so, in ways it was easier
10:15 PM rue_house: so, were still in the project infancy
10:15 PM rue_house: yea
10:15 PM rue_house: I could make these, but I dont have the time and I dont need the money
10:15 PM rue_house: they have time and need money
10:15 PM rue_house: and I'm willing to set this up for them cause I'm their friend
10:15 PM Tom_L: so pay them to make X part to Y spec
10:16 PM Tom_L: no questions asked
10:16 PM rue_house: I dont want the money going thru me
10:16 PM rue_house: and I dont care like that anyhow
10:16 PM rue_house: we have settled that I get $5 per sprayer for shop overhead
10:17 PM rue_house: the system pays for its own materials
10:17 PM Tom_L: getting up at 3 is for the birds
10:17 PM Tom_L: i'm pooped
10:17 PM rue_house: hah, jetlag?
10:17 PM Tom_L: no
10:18 PM Tom_L: i drove back
10:18 PM rue_house: ah
10:18 PM Tom_L: but got up early to get off the boat first
10:18 PM rue_house: I cant sit still
10:19 PM rue_house: that schooling in vancouver drove me crazy
10:19 PM rue_house: after a day of sitting, nothing to do but sit
10:19 PM Tom_L: you certified now?
10:19 PM rue_house: no, one more year to be a bonified electrician
10:19 PM rue_house: the advantage of which being.......
10:19 PM rue_house: ?
10:20 PM Tom_L: i meant the cat5 cert
10:20 PM rue_house: oh, part 1 is finished
10:21 PM Tom_L: journeyman require a 5year apprentice up there?
10:21 PM rue_house: questions on corperate exams aren't about knowing what your doing, its about knowing their products selling points
10:21 PM rue_house: 4
10:21 PM rue_house: I'm WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY over the required hours
10:21 PM Tom_L: so what do you lack then?
10:22 PM Tom_L: training hours?
10:22 PM rue_house: another round of school, followed by an extra exam
10:22 PM rue_house: no, I'm way over on the hours
10:22 PM rue_house: I'm, on last update, about 6000 hours over what I need
10:23 PM rue_house: they appologized last time beacsue they can only add 9999.99 hours in one update
10:23 PM rue_house: :( I need to work out supper
10:24 PM rue_house: hashbrowns, wieners and cheeeeeeeese.... hmmmm maybe with mushroom gravy
10:24 PM rue_house: YearsTillHeartAttack--;
10:25 PM Tom_L: cubed potatoes with sliced wieners fried in butter
10:25 PM Tom_L: or sliced potatoes
10:26 PM Tom_L: surprisingly for as much as i ate last week i only gained 2lbs