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[03:51:20] <Jak_o_Shadows> whilst I'm buying cheap stuff off ebay, does anybody have any suggestions? I'm gonna get one of those cheap logic analyzers
[04:03:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/555-Metal-Gear-Electric-Motors-3V-24V-DC-Gear-Motor-High-Torque-Low-Noise-New-/291613922672?hash=item43e58b5570:g:RrIAAOSw7hRWQvgc
[04:04:20] <SpeedEvil> (no experience of seller, ...)
[04:06:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPLACEMENT-WHEEL-MOTOR-Hover-Board-Smart-2-Wheel-Self-Balancing-Scooter-UK-/222000511867?hash=item33b042fb7b:g:9oUAAOSwLnlWn6f7
[04:07:49] <SpeedEvil> (same caveat)
[04:10:04] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7HApFWO9Fk - teardown of above - mute first
[04:11:26] <Jak_o_Shadows> They sell replacement ones? That's kinda cool
[04:12:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[04:12:28] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly, slightly larger ones are much more expensive
[04:12:50] <Jak_o_Shadows> hat about in the way of tools?
[04:13:09] <SpeedEvil> I would really like 12" or so wheels optimised for 5MPH
[04:15:42] <Jak_o_Shadows> brb
[05:01:47] <veverak> this went well
[05:01:57] <veverak> this wen quite well
[05:02:08] <veverak> My Bc. work seems acepted
[05:02:21] <veverak> and I've got access to 'electronics' lab -> I have access to proper tools!
[05:02:23] <veverak> :)
[05:05:52] <deshipu> congrats
[05:06:04] <deshipu> does that mean that your free time is gone forever?
[05:06:49] <veverak> nope
[05:07:00] * veverak will defend that with everything he got!
[05:07:09] <veverak> my weapons are procrastrination and high level of lazyness
[05:07:11] <veverak> :)
[05:07:54] <veverak> deshipu: but the moment he saw I understand servos he tried to convice me to repair one of their robots
[05:09:32] <deshipu> :D
[05:09:35] <deshipu> nice
[05:09:59] <veverak> that robot reminded me "number 5"
[05:10:09] <veverak> and got PC
[05:10:21] <veverak> (looked like small X86 board or bigge rARM board)
[05:10:28] <veverak> and SSD harddrive
[05:10:31] <veverak> nah :/
[05:10:36] * veverak doesn't have space for that
[05:11:08] <deshipu> ain't nobody got no time for this
[05:11:32] <veverak> but
[05:11:34] <veverak> I told the truth
[05:11:48] <veverak> "well, I need to change projects periodically usually, so maybe I will look into it... :) "
[05:12:08] <veverak> but if I do .... lim design =
http://images.nymag.com/daily/entertainment/images/johnny5.jpg
[05:12:29] <veverak> now to the problem of forgotten pin number
[05:12:34] <deshipu> veverak: davedarko at hackaday.io builds one
[05:12:35] <veverak> of my credit cart
[05:12:55] <veverak> deshipu: also, you will get propagated propably
[05:13:12] <deshipu> https://hackaday.io/project/7406-johnny-iv
[05:13:30] <veverak> also, he was interested about my information that "I trully didn't know that there is even lab that works with things like robots/electronics/fpgas"
[05:13:37] <veverak> he was like "so we need propagation..."
[05:14:27] <veverak> deshipu: I see space for two raspi cameras
[05:14:30] <veverak> :)
[05:14:32] <veverak> (ros can merge that together)
[05:15:16] <deshipu> he actually disassembled an ultrasound sensor
[05:15:41] <deshipu> and put the mike/speaker in the eyes
[05:15:49] <veverak> yeah, I see
[05:19:10] <veverak> only thing suprised me
[05:19:17] <veverak> he gave me the access to the lab instantly
[05:19:24] <veverak> and he saw me first time...
[05:19:46] <veverak> (lab got quite expensive tools if I think about it...)
[05:20:13] <deshipu> that's acedemia
[05:20:24] <deshipu> if you are a student, you are already trusted
[05:20:37] <deshipu> also, students will break it all anyways
[05:20:43] <deshipu> sooner or later
[05:21:30] <veverak> yeah
[05:21:34] <veverak> got a point...
[05:25:49] * veverak is still fascinated though
[15:04:43] <emeraldgreen> >“By building learning systems, we don’t have to write these rules anymore,” John Giannandrea told a room full of reporters inside Google headquarters this fall. “Increasingly, we’re discovering that if we can learn things rather than writing code, we can scale these things much better.”
[15:06:19] <deshipu> meh
[15:06:39] <deshipu> that's just theory of optimization
[15:06:54] <emeraldgreen> well learning is just optimization of parameters
[15:07:01] <emeraldgreen> to fit model to data
[15:07:54] <emeraldgreen> but aren't they right in that its much better to leave tweaking paramteres to some ML algo than writing e.g. natural language processing system in C++ ?
[15:08:21] <deshipu> depends on the model
[15:08:59] <deshipu> and what you need from it
[15:09:31] <deshipu> it works well for things that human brains do, because human brains use a similar process
[15:09:55] <deshipu> but for other problems other approaches work better
[15:10:15] <emeraldgreen> sure, there are things for which its easier to write a program
[15:10:31] <deshipu> or write a program that writes the program
[15:10:55] <deshipu> one problem is that debugging is really hard
[15:11:03] <deshipu> the more meta you go, the harder
[15:11:49] <emeraldgreen> I think ML is a good approach to robot control, language, audio and video, at least
[15:12:11] <emeraldgreen> *to general robot control
[15:12:11] <emeraldgreen> industrial robots are better off with precise trajectories :)
[15:12:17] <deshipu> 'robot control' is a big bag of very different problems
[15:12:34] <emeraldgreen> true
[15:12:47] <Snert__> o the pain
[15:13:06] <deshipu> o la loaf
[15:13:34] <deshipu> o le fish
[15:13:46] <emeraldgreen> o le meme
[15:14:05] <deshipu> o'le!
[15:16:22] <Snert__> what do you call cheese that isn't yours?
[15:16:33] <Snert__> Nacho cheese, of course.
[15:17:13] <deshipu> what do you mean not mine
[15:17:15] <deshipu> all cheese is mine
[15:17:21] <deshipu> I live in Switzerland
[15:17:34] <deshipu> we own world's cheese
[15:18:19] <Snert__> everyone strives to have cheese as good as swisstown
[15:18:42] <Snert__> yaaaaa suuurrreeee.
[15:19:01] <Snert__> no that's norwegian, sorry.
[19:11:59] <flyback> http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/what-large-scale-shiitake-mushroom-growing-looks-like-video.html
[19:12:00] <flyback> mmmm
