#robotics Logs

Jan 22 2015

00:00 rue_house the bubbles stir and brush the board
05:38 Martiini I've decided to learn welding robot programming ..What do I need to know? how will I learn? kuka, fanuc, abb, motoman - all robots the same? All robots are programmed with cnc, no?
08:37 rue_bed I dont remember any gcode for the pendant taught ones
10:36 GuShH Tom_itx: how do you reckon this type of "screw" is made? http://i.imgur.com/4Ce6N0o.jpg it's like an auger for wood
10:37 GuShH could it be some big wood screw they just modified? this is for holding certain types of projects on the wood lathe
10:37 GuShH (don't wanna buy one if I can make one, you know)
10:39 GuShH it looks like they just mod a big wood screw, by turning the tip down and then adding a thread on the back, just a thought
13:18 augur what are the most popular languages people are using for robotics, anyone know?
13:19 augur like, the languages with the popular toolkits, etc
13:23 Hyratel augur, well there's Arduino Sketch/C for AVRs
13:23 Hyratel there's Labview for NI *RIO, also C# or Javascript for *RIO
13:24 Hyratel back later, time for robotics
13:24 Hyratel check out Andymark.com
13:24 Hyratel http://www.adafruit.com/product/1411
13:25 Hyratel augur, it all depends what you're trying to do, waht hardware you're using
13:26 augur Hyratel: actually for me its the other way around. im building something that would be useful for robot builders, so i need to know which languages to support :x
13:26 Hyratel what kind of something?
13:26 Hyratel like, waht kind of hardware
13:26 augur software
13:26 Hyratel tell me moree?
13:26 Hyratel is it a PC control interface?
13:27 Hyratel because a PC is not a realtime OS, but you could pass commands to a realtime controller
13:27 augur basically Jarvis-like interface that you can embed into your control software
13:27 Hyratel not familiar with
13:27 Hyratel afk
13:27 augur Jarvis from Iron Man? hm!
13:28 augur well, basically you can talk with your robot. conversational AI
13:34 GuShH lawl
13:36 augur whatchu lawlin' at :(
13:36 augur dont lawl at me!
13:36 augur so mean
13:41 GuShH augur: you are chasing your tail.
13:41 GuShH languages are irrelevant.
13:41 augur oh?
13:41 GuShH implement your library and a demo, the rest is just support that can be added later on.
13:41 GuShH I think you've been watching too many movies.
13:41 augur no no GuShH
13:41 augur look at what you just said
13:42 augur "implement your library"
13:42 GuShH Can't you write cross-platform code?
13:42 GuShH aren't you aware that anyone interested could easily port it?
13:42 augur the code is cross platform but you're not writing in all platforms
13:42 GuShH Look at what you just said.
13:42 augur you're writing in one language or another
13:42 GuShH Irrelevant.
13:43 augur so i need to give you something to use
13:43 GuShH Why are you worried about languages, do you have working code to begin with
13:43 augur yes
13:43 GuShH You don't need to give me anything to use
13:43 GuShH Then publish your code, let others add support
13:43 GuShH If there's interest, people will chime
13:43 augur thats not really whats going on here, but thank you for the suggestion
13:44 GuShH Otherwise, vaporware bullshit I don't care to talk about, have a nice day in your part of the basement.
13:44 GuShH Basically there's no one language, no one platform, and you can't support them all by yourself not in several years.
13:44 GuShH Expose your library, have a proper API and publish the code, that's all you have to do, don't try to be a hero.
13:45 deshipu GuShH: I think the idea is to sell it :)
13:45 GuShH yeah then he can sit on it. he's not selling anything to anyone here...
13:45 GuShH let alone, getting free work done for him
13:46 augur im not selling anything to you
13:46 GuShH as if anyone here needed to be spoon-fed anyway
13:46 GuShH deshipu: any more PCBs?
13:46 augur im just asking what the popular toolkits/languages for building robots are. thats all im asking about
13:47 GuShH you are trying to cater to consumers..
13:47 GuShH most likely, wrong channel.
13:47 deshipu GuShH: nah, I'm waiting for the drills
13:47 GuShH carbide or hss?
13:47 GuShH I'd go for hss, less trouble.
13:48 augur GuShH: wrong channel? ok, i mean, i figured this is a channel where people build robots but i guess not
13:48 GuShH you are trying to cater consumers though
13:48 deshipu GuShH: some cheap-ass drill
13:48 GuShH carbide, specially if you are hand drilling, even with a drillpress (which by default can't spin the bit fast enough) tends to snap very easily
13:49 augur what im trying to do is give you the tools you need to use my junk
13:49 deshipu I have a more complex pcb ordered from china
13:49 augur or at least figure out how i can do that
13:49 GuShH augur: no need, get the repository up and open to everyone instead.
13:49 GuShH deshipu: how long does it take now adays? two weeks?
13:50 augur GuShH: thank you for the suggestion, but it's not needed
13:50 GuShH augur: fyi I have 0 interest in this, but others may get involved
13:50 GuShH you clearly think you are sitting on a pile of gold, but you aren't.
13:50 deshipu GuShH: they made it in 3 days, but now it's shipping...
13:50 GuShH and that attitude doesn't fly
13:50 GuShH deshipu: it used to take at least two weeks to get stuff from china :(
13:50 deshipu GuShH: no idea how long, about a week is the optimistic estimate
13:50 deshipu GuShH: I'm in EU, a little closer
13:50 GuShH funniest part is it spends more time in local customs and other nonsense
13:50 GuShH than actually moving from point A to point B
13:51 deshipu yeah
13:51 augur GuShH: i didnt ask for your input on what to do with this. i had a simple question. if you dont have an answer thats fine, i have no malice towards you
13:51 deshipu augur: calm down :)
13:51 GuShH you asked in a public channel
13:51 augur i did indeed
13:51 GuShH and like I said, nobody is doing your work for free.
13:51 GuShH secretive brats I don't care for.
13:52 augur heh
13:52 GuShH you share openly or you go away try to get bought by some shit company, so then google can buy them.
13:52 GuShH assuming you ever had anything of value
13:52 GuShH everyone builds their own platform, the commercially available options are for consumers, including the microsoft crap.
13:52 GuShH mainly catering to teachers and students.
13:53 GuShH the rest is for professional applications you can't afford
13:53 deshipu it's kinda sad how much academia wastes resources
13:53 GuShH sad is how they own everything you do
13:53 GuShH they OWN YOU in fact.
13:53 deshipu nah, not here
13:53 GuShH you pay them and you work for them, for free.
13:54 augur Hyratel: thank you for your answers.
13:54 deshipu I don't pay them, we have free education :)
13:54 GuShH we do as well, but it generally sucks.
13:54 deshipu we are a civilized country :)
13:54 ShH eyer
13:55 GuShH deshipu fyi you are paying through your taxes, well perhaps not yet if you are young enough... but you will.
13:55 GuShH nothing is ever free
13:55 deshipu GuShH: yeah, but I don't have to pay more and get a student loan just to go to a university
13:56 deshipu GuShH: it's not free, but it's equalized
13:56 GuShH sure
13:56 deshipu that's why it still hurts when they waste resources
13:56 GuShH I wouldn't get a loan whatsoever
13:56 deshipu I worked at a university for 7 years, they are really well isolated from reality
13:57 deshipu insulated*
13:58 GuShH elitism much?
13:58 augur anyway, thank you for your answers, and your advice, i'll leave you in peace
14:00 deshipu GuShH: not terribly bad, since the barriers are relatively low
14:00 deshipu GuShH: you just need the time
14:00 deshipu and to do the work learning, obviously
14:04 GuShH our free uni isn't bad I mean people from many countries move to study over here but you know, to each their own.
14:04 GuShH some material is outdated in some areas
14:51 deshipu the purpose of education is not to transfer the latest knowledge :)
14:52 deshipu it's a nice bonus when possible, though
14:52 GuShH that's stupid, if you are studying systems engineering you can't just base it all off 90s technology information
14:52 GuShH otherwise you'd become an archeology engineer!
14:52 deshipu you can study medieval armor making instead, it doesn't matter what it is
14:52 GuShH fundamentals are one thing
14:52 GuShH that's different
14:53 GuShH technology evolves all the time, you have to know what's legacy and what's actual and upcoming
14:53 deshipu what you get is a certain culture and a certain set of mental tools
14:53 GuShH are you in first year? because that's how you'd think
14:54 deshipu I graduated 10 years ago
14:54 GuShH there's no culture involved in academia.
14:54 deshipu there are several, they even wage wars
14:54 GuShH quite frankly I can't digest academic idiots
14:54 GuShH that's a cult, different story.
14:55 deshipu humans are social animals
14:55 ShH eyerolls at frat
14:55 deshipu it's just easier for them when it's organized like a bunch of tribes
14:58 deshipu it's like using opengl even for 2d graphics, just because your hardware makes that more efficient
15:00 GuShH that's a bad analogy to sheep
15:00 GuShH :p
15:51 iamnotarobot Hey does anyone here use the ViSP libraries?