#robotics Logs
Nov 26 2014
#robotics Calendar
00:23 rue_house I can help
00:24 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10-Colors-Choice-1900mA-External-Battery-Case-Power-Extended-For-iPhone-4-4S-/171353858847?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&var=&hash=item27e57c631f
00:27 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/131231342388 Ihave one of those comming
00:28 rue_house just_corey, ?
00:43 rue_house just_corey, I think you can pull me in as a helper on that project
00:43 rue_house dont submit it till you have some content on the project page
00:46 just_corey gimme a moment im typing my face off in another tab
00:47 just_corey i need some sort of image, mabey i can photoshop a trinket micro onto a wrist
00:48 rue_house ok, hold on
00:48 rue_house lets find a good pic of Leelas
00:49 rue_house http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110706080158/en.futurama/images/d/d8/Leela-wristband.jpg
00:49 rue_house your right, it plays pong
00:49 just_corey are you on hackaday.io Rue?
00:49 just_corey need your username to add as a teammate
00:50 rue_house yes
00:50 rue_house hold up
00:50 just_corey ok
00:51 just_corey im still trying to think up a project photo, i see that picture of leela playing pong but i feel its not really what were after
00:51 rue_house Rue Mohr
00:51 rue_house https://hackaday.io/project/296-bench-power-supply
00:54 rue_house leelas cuff unhinges
00:55 rue_house I thought it was metal, but now I think its blue plastic
00:55 rue_house I will watch more futurama and report back
01:01 rue_house oval screen two buttons
01:08 rue_house oh I have to do the kitty litter
01:15 just_corey okay well i started a project page anyways so it exists
01:17 rue_house ok
01:17 just_corey it can be a board you built and designed yourself using the trinket design, im sure we could design a build a board if we can just get the toner transfer working
01:17 rue_house were you able to find me to add me to the project peoples
01:17 just_corey yes you are on the team
01:18 rue_house lets just make it work:)
01:18 rue_house sweet
01:18 just_corey okay cool, next step is content
01:18 just_corey you want to write the project description ?
01:19 rue_house yea
01:19 rue_house I dont know if I can modify it, see if I can find it
01:21 just_corey i dont know if you can acess it but we can always copy/pasta if you write something in word
01:21 just_corey you could always log in as me
01:21 rue_house sure, whats the project number?
01:21 rue_house I'll make text, you add
01:21 just_corey 3449 i guess
01:22 rue_house huh
01:22 rue_house I cant just go by number
01:22 rue_house someone screwed that up
01:23 rue_house oh ait
01:23 rue_house got it
01:24 rue_house shall I write a description?
01:24 rue_house oh I can add...
01:24 rue_house kinda
01:25 rue_house I can do a lot of things, but I cant do the descitpiotn
01:28 just_corey hmm
01:28 just_corey you cant write or you cant add it
01:29 rue_house noteh desctiption
01:29 rue_house the details, parts
01:29 just_corey 11:30 look like weiners and beans
01:29 rue_house components( bit refresh)
01:29 just_corey see what you can come up with and i can get it posted
01:29 just_corey i d
01:29 rue_house instuctions
01:29 just_corey i added a shitty sketch
01:30 rue_house I put in 2 components
01:30 rue_house 2 we can be sure of
01:31 just_corey we could just solder header pins on a sd card..
01:31 just_corey or get a micro sd card and solder it directly to a board
01:32 just_corey shame i dont dont have a hot air rework station
01:32 rue_house I forgot they are .1" pitch
01:32 rue_house I'll get a connector
01:32 rue_house if you dont first
01:33 just_corey i hav a few devices here let me see if i have one, i know i have a camera here i got from a GF that seems screwy i could gut it
01:35 rue_house if I paste here can you paste into the desctiption of had?
01:37 just_corey sure
01:38 rue_house better idea
01:39 just_corey dang no sd con. yet, im sure there is one around, or that being said a sd-> micro sd adaptor and some hookup wire could be used
01:39 just_corey could get one of those at the $ store i think
01:39 rue_house I have a few laptops somewhere
01:39 rue_house not for less than $5, lets not go crazy
01:40 just_corey *shakes fist* appearently not my collection of p4 dells though :-(
01:41 just_corey i got my hydro bill finally, i had saved up nearly $600 to pay it, turns out i only owed the $230 so i have some play $$$
01:41 rue_house cool
01:43 rue_house just_corey, http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/blabla.txt
01:44 just_corey http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2X-Micro-SD-TransFlash-TF-to-SD-SDHC-Memory-Card-Adapter-/191090746878?pt=US_Memory_Card_Readers_Adapters&hash=item2c7de565fe
01:46 rue_house nono
01:46 rue_house I'll have soemthing arbout
01:46 rue_house around
01:47 just_corey published
01:47 just_corey i bet the ladies aux thrift store will have a crappy old digicam for a couple bucks.
01:48 just_corey stupid e-waste assholes, how many card slots do they have
01:48 rue_house oh I ahve one
01:48 just_corey i need more practise with this rework station, as per those playbooks i seem to screw things up with it
01:49 rue_house ma brought me with the cameraa
01:49 just_corey ah ha
01:50 rue_house the description is still the same
01:51 rue_house ah
01:51 rue_house there we go
01:52 just_corey Tada!
01:52 just_corey i had some small sd cards somewhere too
01:53 just_corey in my mess
01:55 rue_house nice art
01:55 rue_house :)
01:56 just_corey lol
01:56 rue_house soemting is odd
01:56 rue_house this is the only project so far
01:57 rue_house I think you tagged it wrong?
01:57 just_corey no you actually have to join the contest, i havent yet
01:57 rue_house but you tagged it
01:57 rue_house and I dont see anything else with that tag
01:58 rue_house oh
01:58 rue_house maybe we are the first
01:58 rue_house ?
01:58 just_corey now its submitted to the contest
01:58 rue_house ah
01:59 rue_house I'll bet they have to accept the entries before they come up on the list
02:01 just_corey http://hackaday.io/submissions/trinket/list
02:01 just_corey its there
02:01 rue_house huh, not mine..
02:01 rue_house but ok
02:02 rue_house hmm, they say it must be pocketable, but they really went wavey on the rules for the last one
02:04 rue_house g of all entrants who A: are entered, and B: have at least one project log with an image and 50 words for that week.
02:04 just_corey in the same breath they say "nything from tools, to wearables, to jewelry and beyond will be acceptable for the contest." but later "Pocketable: Projects should be something that will fit in a jeans pocket, and hopefully not bend. Think approximately Altoids tin sized"
02:04 rue_house right, I think were ok
02:05 just_corey i think so too, i predict they may open the contest to all pro mini boards though
02:05 rue_house at the same time the contest is prolly a promotion thing on the baords
02:05 just_corey infact if it were encased they would never know what board you were using anyway
02:05 rue_house heh
02:06 rue_house ok I'm 2 hours late for bed
02:06 rue_house I'v had WAY too much tea
02:06 just_corey well goto bed, i need to eat something and try to clear my desk
02:07 just_corey pay the rent, hydro, visa and icbc tommorow and i'll be $1k poorer
02:07 anonnumberanon clearing my desk is an ever ongoing process
02:09 just_corey i need a hockey stick and a rubbermaid tote to clear my desk, rue has a hundred square feet of work bench/ clutter
02:09 just_corey its all a foot deep
02:10 rue_house I object, there is usually a little clear space on the corner of the middle bench!
02:10 just_corey well yeah, after you move the cnc machine or 3d printer or giaNT HEXAPOD OR WHATEVER ELSE HAS EXPLODED ALL OVER THE PLACE
02:11 just_corey whoa i started yelling at some point there
02:11 rue_house explosions happen
02:11 rue_house thats how things get made ya know
02:12 rue_house when there isn't one drawr left in any of the cabinets, I know I'v added most ofthe required parts to a robot
02:12 just_corey if ive learned anything about physics its that everything starte with a big explosion
02:13 rue_house I dont think you have seen the shop after I'v pulled an all nighter working on a robot arm
02:13 rue_house it takes 2 days just to get to the point where its back to *just* tripping over the occasional thing
02:13 just_corey must look like a bombing at adafruit or similar
02:14 rue_house I'm dissapointed tho, I'm using a lot more new parts in my builds than I used to
02:15 just_corey i amagine these chinese ebay sellers have a lot of stuff laying around
02:15 just_corey well new parts arnt always a bad thing, its really hard to reproduce things that are built out of 25 year old printer parts
02:15 rue_house you know, the last few weeks the delivery time has really gone down
02:16 rue_house yea, but most of what I build are just 1 off anyhow
02:16 just_corey i suppose
02:16 rue_house which is why I partly object to the idea of spending 2 weeks designing a part to 3d print for it
02:17 just_corey id love to build an arm, but its not possable to clone anything from the junk drawer
02:17 rue_house then again, after a few robot arms, the parts started to standardize at quite a rate
02:17 just_corey getting two of anything is nearly impossable
02:17 just_corey i look forward to being able to print gears ect
02:18 rue_house did I tell you the differences between the brands on the servos between those 3 arms was a surprise
02:18 just_corey differnt possitions/ranges?
02:18 rue_house the last cheap servos I got from china dont ahve as much rotation range as the origional servos I got for the open pino
02:18 rue_house granted $3 vs $10
02:19 just_corey those originals were pretty cheap $6:50 each i recall
02:19 rue_house the ones I got from hobby king jitter on their own
02:19 rue_house the origional were 9.99
02:19 rue_house which was an awesome deal at the time
02:19 just_corey hmm
02:19 rue_house hard to get an HS311 for that cheap now
02:19 just_corey i thought they were cheaper, i got 2 for that sumpo bot
02:20 just_corey i still like the idea of a sumo that looks for the other bots ir emissions
02:22 rue_house ah NOW it comes up
02:22 just_corey i dont like to talk about it because its my secret weapon
02:24 rue_house gnight
02:24 rue_house am I stuck in a loop?
02:24 just_corey yeah goodnight
02:24 just_corey yes, no exit code
02:24 rue_house the next command is while(1) again...
02:25 anonnumberanon while(1)
02:25 anonnumberanon oh you sniped me
02:25 rue_house wtf, its after midnight
02:25 rue_house it was 10:30,
02:25 rue_house wtf
02:25 just_corey you need to use an IF(bedtime = 1){use dor
02:25 anonnumberanon I don't have that problem I woke up at 2300.
02:26 anonnumberanon Thanksgiving break.
02:26 just_corey {use door, exit shop} else {build robots}
02:26 rue_house ntpdate pool.ntp.org
02:26 rue_house 26 Nov 00:06:11 ntpdate[4252]: adjust time server 206.108.0.133 offset -0.081534 sec
02:26 rue_house see, the clock was wrong
02:26 rue_house 81msec fast
02:26 just_corey damb
02:26 rue_house ARG, its still after midnight
02:26 just_corey its that time phase distortion at the shop
02:27 anonnumberanon You're either in Deadlock or Starvation right now.
02:27 anonnumberanon Get out of the loop.
02:27 just_corey same reason you kept falling the last time i was over, there is a gravity well under your house
02:27 rue_house septic tank, aren't they best kept in gravity wells?
02:28 just_corey shit flows down hill afterall
02:28 anonnumberanon On Earth at least. That certain episode of The Big Bang Theory illustrates it well.
02:29 just_corey youd never have to get it pumped if the tank existed in space/time before you pooped
02:30 just_corey i had that teleportation experience hiking in the mountains once and ever since ive been about 15 minutes of of phase, i ever have to keep my clocks adjusted otherwise i late for everything
02:31 just_corey my lack of typing ability is not associated with that event
02:34 rue_bed I made it to bed
02:34 rue_bed where is the sleep switch
02:38 rue_bed ;)
02:42 anonnumberanon while(wait){
02:42 anonnumberanon ...
02:42 anonnumberanon ...
02:42 anonnumberanon wait--;
02:42 anonnumberanon }
02:42 rue_bed I lost the link to toms reflow oven software
02:43 rue_bed I'm sure he will wake up and get some milk and cookies, and check irc...
02:51 rue_bed found it
02:51 rue_bed now can I fall asleep?
02:53 anonnumberanon something troubling you?
04:03 drawing__ please help anybody, would be greatly appreciated
04:04 drawing__ http://pastebin.com/rM09vUG6
04:04 drawing__ just replies 0's
04:07 drawing__ https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-S6XnCqN9GQNUpFd28yUDIwdmc/view?usp=sharing
04:48 iveevue The same question as yesterday...
04:49 iveevue drawing__, have you tried #electronics?
05:01 drawing__ yeah
06:12 anonnumberanon drawing__, so what are you connecting to?
06:12 drawing__ http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21703d.pdf
06:12 drawing__ 24lc16b
06:13 anonnumberanon there is no int main(){} in your program?
06:15 deshipu anonnumberanon: that's because it's an arduino sketch
06:16 deshipu anonnumberanon: you can think of it as having: void main() { setup(); while (1) loop(); }
06:17 anonnumberanon Okay.
06:17 anonnumberanon I see.
06:18 anonnumberanon deshipu, have you tried returning different parts of your program to see when the variables change?
06:18 anonnumberanon I feel like I'm not helping heh.
06:18 deshipu anonnumberanon: it's not my program
06:19 anonnumberanon oops
06:21 drawing__ its mine
06:21 drawing__ cant get this stupid memory to work
06:21 drawing__ just returns 0
06:22 drawing__ http://pastebin.com/Cp9BHXRB
06:23 anonnumberanon Man I'm adding you as friend drawing__ in a few days (probably tomorrow) I'll be interfacing a sensor via UART and use C code to deal with it.
06:24 anonnumberanon (maybe with Arduino not sure yet) I can pretty much hook it up either to an arduino or a raspberry pi.
06:24 drawing__ that is via i2c
06:24 anonnumberanon yeah, can't be much more complicated, also I know that i read your datasheet's first page
06:25 anonnumberanon Have you tried this code on any other signal input chip?
06:27 drawing__ no
06:28 drawing__ this is using an uno32
06:29 drawing__ i wish there was some way to know if the chip is recieving but not sending or visa versa
06:29 drawing__ or both
06:46 anonnumberanon You should first know if the program works and receives. You could send an I sqared C signal out the arduino with the remaining pins and see if the program sees it coming back.
06:46 anonnumberanon If it does, your chip does not work correctly.
06:46 drawing__ i got it to work
06:46 drawing__ after 2 fkn days
06:46 drawing__ i was sending a double command
06:46 drawing__ too much id
06:47 drawing__ fml
06:47 anonnumberanon haha
06:47 drawing__ i was sending
06:47 drawing__ 0x50 0x00 0x00
06:47 drawing__ when the first 0x00 is supposed to be the 0x50
06:48 drawing__ so its just 0x50 0x00
06:48 anonnumberanon its bytes?
06:48 drawing__ yes
06:48 drawing__ id bytes
06:48 anonnumberanon 01010000 00000000 00000000
06:48 anonnumberanon heh
06:48 drawing__ yup
06:49 drawing__ its strange
06:49 drawing__ when you use the i2c scan program
06:49 drawing__ it finds 8 devices
06:49 drawing__ thats where the confusion came in
06:49 anonnumberanon maybe 8 port bits
06:49 anonnumberanon i have no idea
07:25 orlock this littlefpga board is cool
07:41 anonnumberanon orlock, linku?
07:42 orlock ?
09:18 rue_house did it tell you the addresses of the devices?
09:18 rue_house 8 devices is a whole block
09:18 rue_house which means it could be ignoring the lower 3 address bits, or its emulating 8 devices
10:06 GuShH rue_house: the 3hp motor runs fine, but I would replace the bearings they are starting to go
10:06 GuShH runs fairly smooth but you can tell
19:18 rue_house cool
19:18 rue_house grindy?
20:01 cnnx is it possible the only motor controllers with usb interface and serial device access for this motor (http://www.andymark.com/CIM-motor-FIRST-p/am-0255.htm) are 200$+ per motor? thats insane.. the motor itself is 28$
20:10 rue_shop2 oooh yea, the oven
20:20 rue_shop2 the firmware built first time, this is good
20:21 rue_shop2 but I seem to be out of bench space to program the baord...
20:24 rue_shop2 C
20:24 rue_shop2 C
20:24 rue_shop2 0000PRESS BUTTON TO
20:24 rue_shop2 0001START
20:24 rue_shop2 cute
20:24 rue_shop2 Tom_itx, I need some help
20:26 Tom_itx me too
20:26 rue_shop2 but me needing help aside
20:26 rue_shop2 isnt' this supposed to turn on both elements?
20:26 Tom_itx if you wired it right yes
20:26 rue_shop2 did you know there is a schematic error?
20:26 Tom_itx check the code posted... it could be his instead of mine
20:26 rue_shop2 the port names dont line up to the pins right
20:27 Tom_itx they should
20:27 rue_shop2 they dont
20:27 rue_shop2 for example pin 10 is PB7 in reality, but not that schematic
20:27 rue_shop2 its like D5
20:27 rue_shop2 !?!!
20:27 Tom_itx well you're the only one that's used it ...
20:27 rue_shop2 I'm helping debug it
20:27 Tom_itx i'm debugging lathe cad cam
20:28 rue_shop2 ah yes
20:28 rue_shop2 waiting on parts for cnc?
20:28 Tom_itx but i don't have a cnc lathe
20:28 Tom_itx no
20:28 Tom_itx waiting for money for parts
20:28 orlock pick up i3 tonight
20:28 rue_shop2 I'm tripping over nema23 steppers as we type
20:28 rue_shop2 Tom_itx, damn
20:28 Tom_itx lemme pull the schematic
20:28 rue_shop2 Tom_itx, how much $damage is there?
20:29 Tom_itx it could be a dollar
20:29 rue_shop2 hmm
20:29 Tom_itx ok what am i looking for?
20:30 rue_shop2 http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/control_sch.png
20:30 Tom_itx triacs go to PB0 PB1
20:30 rue_shop2 look at pin 10, "pd6"
20:30 rue_shop2 see m168 pinout, pin 10 is PB7
20:31 rue_shop2 I'm just going over it now, the NAME appears to match the code
20:31 rue_shop2 so I dont know what eagle did
20:31 rue_shop2 maybe thats not a set of DIP pins?
20:32 Tom_itx it's tqfp on mine
20:32 rue_shop2 aha!
20:32 rue_shop2 that would do it
20:33 Tom_itx i see what you're saying now
20:33 Tom_itx didn't realize that
20:33 rue_shop2 meh, the schematic dosn't say what the package is, so..
20:33 rue_shop2 i blame atmel
20:34 Tom_itx in a way it does
20:34 Tom_itx look for pin 32 on your part
20:34 rue_shop2 issue ... "issue" 2, only PB0 is turned on
20:34 rue_shop2 wellit explains why you have 2 gnd and 2 vcc pins
20:34 Tom_itx or that
20:34 Tom_itx :)
20:35 Tom_itx should be easy to fix in code
20:35 rue_shop2 odd, it looks like the code turns on both...
20:35 rue_shop2 ooooooh new avr...
20:35 Tom_itx just be sure to call it the 'rue' code version
20:35 rue_shop2 have to turn off the &*^*^*&^!#$
20:36 rue_shop2 Tom_itx, have the fuse settings for the 168 around?
20:36 Tom_itx and all the pics on the page show a tqfp
20:36 Tom_itx yep
20:36 Tom_itx pretty sure it's default but lemme look
20:36 rue_shop2 no, jtag off
20:36 Tom_itx err no it's different
20:36 rue_shop2 which is why pbx isnt' working
20:36 rue_shop2 ?
20:38 rue_shop2 ... no jatg?
20:38 Tom_itx hang on i'm trying to find it
20:38 rue_shop2 I dont see no jtag flag
20:39 Tom_itx it's in the c file
20:39 Tom_itx top notes
20:39 rue_shop2 oh heh
20:39 Tom_L good place to hide it
20:39 Tom_itx maybe it's not...
20:40 Tom_L * Original Timing Profile: * 6 minutes @ 80'C, 2 minutes @ 165, ramp to 180 for 10 seconds, * ramp to 220 for 30 seconds, cool down * set lfuse 0xE2 (INTERNAL OSC 8Mhz... turn off CKDIV8)
20:40 Tom_L from the original c file
20:42 rue_shop2 ok, with that fixe
20:43 Tom_L want the original file?
20:44 Tom_L i take it you got the lcd working?
20:44 rue_shop2 I have it on the computer
20:44 rue_shop2 instead of lcd
20:45 rue_shop2 for now
20:45 rue_shop2 2400 4800 9600
20:45 rue_shop2 hmm
20:45 rue_shop2 oh it'd be 19200
20:45 rue_shop2 nah, I'll leave that for now
20:45 rue_shop2 I'm prolly gonna maul this good
20:45 rue_shop2 ON
20:46 rue_shop2 00002.Warmup
20:46 rue_shop2 110021:57
20:46 rue_shop2 the button should go to ground with an avr internal pullup
20:46 rue_shop2 (!?!?!?!?)
20:47 rue_shop2 and I may give it a PC console interface
20:47 Tom_L i posted the original code for you
20:47 Tom_L ck garf
22:39 rue_shop2 hah I have a fax control panel thats perfect for this, but its only got a 1x16 display
22:39 rue_shop2 start, reset, yes, no, 0-9
22:40 rue_shop2 pause
22:40 Tom_L change the display
23:02 rue_shop2 cant
23:02 rue_shop2 but I'm looking for a new keybaord
23:02 rue_shop2 there wasn't one in the "box of things that might come in handy one day"
23:02 rue_shop2 but the bottom gave out, so I can fix that
23:02 rue_shop2 maybe later
23:05 rue_shop2 even 1x8 should be enough