#robotics Logs
Nov 18 2014
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00:02 rue_shop2 no springs... see how that goes
00:02 rue_shop2 and I have 3 minutes left to make supper and write tiny26 code for an i2c slave
00:02 rue_shop2 sweeet!
00:08 RifRaf are we there yet?
00:09 rue_more n
00:09 rue_more no
00:10 rue_more but the table is definitly sturdy enough to print on
00:10 rue_more the carrige wiggles around on its sliders, I dont know how much of that is ok
00:10 rue_more I have some uu8, so I can upgrade it if needed
00:11 RifRaf you didn't use bearings?
00:15 rue_more the kit came with printed ones, and at the time the price of them was still pretty high
00:16 rue_more my machine is only about the $300 mark rif
00:16 rue_more I didn't spend the $50 for the ramps shield
00:16 RifRaf hopefully does not print like a 300 one
00:16 RifRaf ramps is down to about $13 now
00:16 rue_more I did not build the frame from metric rod, which is 3x the cost up here
00:16 rue_more I just bought a ramps 1.4 board last week for $7 :)
00:17 rue_more and the uu8 where only about 1.10ea
00:17 rue_more I thought I bought spares for me, but it turns out there are exactly enough for the reprap if I overhaul it
00:17 rue_more the bed is now on uu8
00:17 rue_more not smoother, but it is louder
00:18 rue_more I can see why people go with bushings
00:19 rue_more tho I can also see that bushings would be pickier on the alignment
00:20 RifRaf i made the simplest alinging tool that i give away with parts to space the Y rods perfectly
00:21 orlock RifRaf: local 3d printer shop will be selling prusa i3 for $500
00:22 orlock they were selling some sub$500 printers, but said they wont be selling them anymore
00:22 RifRaf orlock, bet the frame is not like mine
00:23 rue_more orlock, with or without electronics
00:23 rue_more orlock, most of the time those dont include a bunch of things
00:23 orlock complete with electronics
00:23 rue_more so its ready to go?
00:23 RifRaf yep you will have to spend more money for sure
00:23 RifRaf bet there is no glass, might not even be a heated bed
00:24 rue_more I was surprised the bed heaters are like $13 min
00:24 rue_more its not much, but it seems high
00:24 orlock Unbuilt
00:24 RifRaf rue_more,my vert first print http://imgur.com/GovVyEr
00:24 rue_more ah, asembly required
00:25 rue_more orlock, can you get a photo?
00:25 orlock Hanbot DRT $1000, Flashforge Dreamer $1450, Prusa i3 kit, $500
00:25 RifRaf orlock, yep i'd like to see the kit too, they would be spimping in a few places to do it for that
00:25 orlock http://www.aurarum.com.au/23-3d-printers
00:25 orlock they dont have the kit listed yet
00:26 rue_more RifRaf, for now I'm hoping to get away with an unheated bed
00:26 rue_more yea, like printed bushings
00:26 rue_more it took me ages to get the printed bushings to slide nice on the rod
00:27 rue_more I was pondering opening a 3d printer store, people could buy peices and stuff
00:27 rue_more RifRaf, do you know why they are, for the most part, all 20cm square?
00:33 RifRaf cause thats the standard size
00:34 RifRaf is a god size for just about everything, larger takes to long, smaller means you cannot print lots of stuff
00:34 RifRaf i am use a 125 x 125mm now and its ok, but need the bigger one again soon
00:37 rue_more RifRaf, any problems with steppers getting too hot?
00:37 RifRaf nope
00:37 RifRaf and mine get very hot
00:37 RifRaf using nema14 for extruding
00:38 RifRaf have to give them decent current to feed the filament
00:38 RifRaf thinking of adding a fan to the triplestruder to cool motors a little, but as for issies, no
00:39 rue_more I'v heard of issues where they soften up the brackets too much
00:39 RifRaf thats why you use abs :)
00:39 RifRaf pla is silly for printer parts
00:40 RifRaf ones that get warm anyway
00:42 rue_more the temp sensor on the reprap isn't a pt100 is it?
00:42 rue_more I ust got 10 today
00:43 RifRaf not normally
00:43 rue_more I think its got a higher temp range
00:43 RifRaf lets print aluminium then
00:44 rue_more bad material, not much midrange between solid and molten
00:45 RifRaf maybe some alooy
00:45 RifRaf alloy
00:45 RifRaf rue_more, so what have you got left to do on it?
00:46 rue_more well I glued the glass down with silicone, so I'm mostly waitng for that to set, I think its otherwise ok, the temp sensor is out, but I dont think I care
00:46 rue_more so, not much
00:46 RifRaf why?
00:47 rue_more why what?
00:47 RifRaf glass to heatbed with silicon?
00:47 rue_more no heat, just on 4 spacers
00:47 RifRaf oh
00:48 rue_more so, alum plate, rubber spacers, and glass plate
00:48 RifRaf yep, and you made sure is was level and perpendicular nicely before it set
00:48 rue_more I'll add heat later if I have to, I want to get it up minimal first
00:49 rue_more there's nothing to adjust
00:49 rue_more I had springs with set screws but on your suggestion I ditched it
00:49 RifRaf well i would have used the silicone to adjust
00:50 rue_more which direction do you mean to adjust it?
00:50 RifRaf if you biuld this thing level and square and rigid, then it stays like that
00:50 rue_more the left right can be done out with the Z theads
00:51 rue_more hmm, I suppose it could be out front to back
00:51 RifRaf adjusting so the plate is perpendicular to the Y axis is important
00:51 rue_more yea, iirc I adjusted that careully
00:51 rue_more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uNDAvD3UTU
00:51 RifRaf yep knew you would
00:51 rue_more watching an overly strung out video
00:52 RifRaf er Z axis i ment before
00:52 RifRaf you have a mendel or i2 don't you?
00:53 rue_more i2
00:53 rue_more oh
00:54 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/
00:54 rue_more I'll jump the spideshow in there
00:54 rue_more 1 min
00:54 RifRaf images are years old
00:56 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/slide.htm
00:56 rue_more stop being so pickey, you have years of catchup to do
00:56 RifRaf is this your hotend? http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1040477.jpg
00:57 rue_more yea!
00:57 rue_more its quartz
00:57 RifRaf wow
00:57 rue_more I hope it works...
00:57 RifRaf what is quartz? the clear tube?
00:57 rue_more its 3x less conductive than ss
00:58 rue_more yea, the clear tube
00:58 rue_more I wanted to make the actual tip from pulled quartz, but learned that wont work
00:58 RifRaf its pretty ghetto looking, i hope it works, have you used it yet?
00:58 rue_more I pushed a bit of plastic in by hand,
00:59 RifRaf have you been able to feed with pronterface yet? and move axis etc
00:59 rue_more ahhh I see the screws/springs let you adjust it some
01:00 rue_more yea, it zeros moves and heats ok
01:00 RifRaf wats stopping you printing?
01:00 rue_more watiing for hte silicone to set, right now
01:01 RifRaf i ran out of filament last night, not a meter anywhere, thats stopping me from printing
01:01 RifRaf oh thats right :)
01:01 rue_more hah
01:01 RifRaf if you were here it would have set by now
01:01 RifRaf nice hot days
01:01 rue_more I can see you turning the house upside down looking for a few cm of fil
01:02 RifRaf only have i carload of stuff in this place, so i know there is none, hopefully will get some in mail tomorrow though
01:02 RifRaf 1
01:04 RifRaf gonna try clear abs, never seen it before, hoping that it can be vapour treated to make a glassy outside
01:05 rue_more I think tommorow I'll try making a poo of filament on the table...
01:05 rue_more I hear the clear stuff has a differennt temp
01:06 RifRaf yep i am amazed at how they can make a naturally coloured substance clear
01:07 RifRaf i hear the natural colour is good to use so got a roll of that too, trying out different aussie sellers to see wats out there
01:09 rue_more the first circle around the part should be mushed into the bed pretty good right?
01:09 RifRaf so a crystal tube eh? how does it hold together
01:09 RifRaf i like a good squish, but not transparent
01:09 rue_more its fine so far, I'll give you updates
01:10 rue_more I did it cause it drops heat better than ss
01:10 rue_more how do you know if your too hot/cold?
01:10 RifRaf you want to see that the filament is being forced into good contact with the bed
01:11 RifRaf too cold and it won't stick
01:11 RifRaf too hot i guess the pla melts
01:11 RifRaf with abs its hard to go too hot cause 120c takes a bit to get to
01:12 rue_more so it should be moderatly stiff comming out of the nozzel?
01:12 RifRaf sounds a bit cold
01:13 rue_more ok, so not fluid, not stiff
01:13 RifRaf take a picture
01:13 rue_more I'm not doing it now, I'm jsut trying to get an idea what to look for
01:15 RifRaf i dunno wat pla acts like since not using it, you can tell easy, start hot and adjust the temp every few layers if you have to, you can see the difference
01:16 RifRaf the 0.5mm thin wall print uses such a small amount of filament and is so fast its good for trying out settings
01:16 rue_more oh I origionally did the bed different, no springs, but adjustable... hmm
01:17 rue_more see how the leveling of the bed goes, I might need another day
01:18 RifRaf yep takes time, and you can always add a bit of silicon if you have to'
01:19 rue_more I'm not fond of how he did it in that videi
01:19 rue_more I think I'll set it to just grab a peice of peper and adjust there
01:19 rue_more paper
01:19 RifRaf paper is good
01:19 rue_more I suppose a mylar sheet is more consistant..
01:20 RifRaf i just do it by eye and tweek
01:20 RifRaf well eye and good glasses
01:20 RifRaf you are just wanting a bit of a light gap
01:21 rue_more oh, I might have a problem with the z motor couplers
01:21 rue_more we will seeee...
01:22 rue_more they were pulling off the mtoor shafts,. but I cahnged the motors, might be ok now
01:22 RifRaf i use flexible couplers, yours are upside down though?
01:22 rue_more yea
01:22 RifRaf yeah gravity sucks
01:22 rue_more I like yours better, rod sits on motor
01:22 RifRaf yep thats one big improvement of the i3
01:23 rue_more are the origional i3 wood?
01:23 rue_more for that backer
01:23 RifRaf there is a wooden box frame version
01:24 rue_more gnight!
01:24 RifRaf cya
02:36 hypodyne howdy
06:30 GuShH rue_more: look what someone linked http://i.imgur.com/qex6WYq.jpg
06:30 GuShH Tom_itx: check that out
07:07 GuShH Tom_itx: any pointers on a collet closer, from a turret lathe -- I can't unscrew the knurled collar and I'm not sure if the closer is complete
07:07 GuShH http://imgur.com/a/EAbeW took the turret out for cleanup (that thing is HEAVY)
07:08 GuShH hoping those bearings are fine, I took one cover out and noticed how big they are... those won't be cheap to replace!!
07:10 GuShH that particular machine doesn't have that much rust, just dirt and needs some love.
07:14 Tom_itx do you have plans for these or did they just catch your eye?
07:28 GuShH Tom_itx: why?
07:29 GuShH because I have them outside in a corner? that's because they smell terrible, I can't move them inside until they are restored
07:29 GuShH that old rancid grease smell doesn't fly!
07:30 GuShH and I can't begin to blast the pedestals, etc. because my pressure washer is boogered up and the service guys (it is on warranty) haven't showed up to pick it up yet
07:30 GuShH got a sanblasting kit for it
07:31 GuShH and before I could try it the pump lost pressure
07:31 GuShH the output is intermitent, like a sprinkler.
07:33 Tom_itx no i don't care where you store them during cleanup
07:34 orlock ahhh i got something on camera
07:34 orlock i dont know what it is
07:34 orlock its got claws
07:34 Tom_itx make friends with it
07:35 orlock you know i'm an aussie?
07:35 Tom_itx of course i do
07:35 Tom_itx why else would you live in that place?
07:37 orlock i dont know what it could be...
07:37 Tom_itx too bad google doesn't have image search
07:38 orlock all i got was a quick flash of claws reaching out to grab something
07:38 orlock the only thing with claws i have seen around here is a scorpion
07:39 Tom_itx smoke it out
07:40 orlock i need to find a gif creator
07:45 Tom_itx http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-animated-gif-maker.htm
07:46 Tom_itx http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199379
08:12 orlock http://dark.crypt.net.au/WTF_IS_IN_MY_BACKYARD.gif
08:13 iveevue Looks like a clear case of aliens.
09:20 rue_more gifsicle for me
11:18 SquirrelCZECH nah
11:19 SquirrelCZECH why cheap brushless rc motors + esc got no parametrs?
11:20 SquirrelCZECH I mean, why is there nothing that would give me an idea about motors torque? :/
11:39 cnnx anyone know where I could get complete building plans for one of these rovers?
11:39 cnnx http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/rovers/
11:40 cnnx i emailed the asc-csa
11:40 cnnx maybe they'll tell m,e
11:55 SquirrelCZECH share your result! :D
11:55 cnnx ok
13:55 GuShH crap
13:58 SquirrelCZECH anybody some decent experience with tank-like tracks?
13:58 SquirrelCZECH http://projects.veverak.org/Arduino%20Tank/test2.png
13:58 SquirrelCZECH I try to design trank-like robot and wonder if it will work :)
13:58 SquirrelCZECH P.S: 3d printed
13:58 SquirrelCZECH (just for the fun, to know how long it will last)
13:59 deshipu openscad ftw!
14:01 SquirrelCZECH yeah
14:02 RifRaf nice work
14:02 SquirrelCZECH :)
14:02 SquirrelCZECH but had to develop my own library to go this far :D
14:04 deshipu SquirrelCZECH: how did you make the cylinders so smooth?
14:04 SquirrelCZECH high resolution ?
14:04 SquirrelCZECH deshipu: want to see the scad source? :)
14:04 deshipu sure
14:05 SquirrelCZECH here you go
14:05 SquirrelCZECH http://pastebin.com/s9eLtTck
14:05 SquirrelCZECH :D
14:05 SquirrelCZECH deshipu: make model in .... normal "resolution" , setup resolution around 128 in my library and enable caching
14:06 SquirrelCZECH cachin in my code = object source is "hashed" and than rendered as stl... if it meet same hash next rendering just reuse the .stl
14:06 SquirrelCZECH so I can affort rendering so smooth models without any reasonable ... disadvantages :)
14:07 deshipu hmm, ok
14:07 deshipu by the way, do you know of any way of generating an image of the rendering that is larger than the screen?
14:07 SquirrelCZECH command line?
14:07 SquirrelCZECH yup
14:07 SquirrelCZECH openscad --imgsize=width,height
14:08 deshipu hmm, my version doesn't have that
14:09 deshipu I guess I should upgrade
14:09 SquirrelCZECH possible
14:09 SquirrelCZECH btw http://pastebin.com/Yrtiaybj real source code
14:10 deshipu cool, thanks
14:12 SquirrelCZECH np
14:15 SquirrelCZECH anyway
14:15 SquirrelCZECH anybody with some experience with tracks?
14:15 uirrelCZECH is not sure about correctness of the de
14:15 shipu only ever used rubber tr
14:17 SquirrelCZECH thought about that, but flexible 3d printing gives me headaches
14:17 RifRaf SquirrelCZECH, have you printed some yet, i like to print and destroy to find issues
14:17 SquirrelCZECH RifRaf: nope
14:17 SquirrelCZECH RifRaf: but my box with parts that should be ... recycled is getting full
14:18 SquirrelCZECH so I tend to not do it :D
14:18 RifRaf yep i gave up on recycling for now, all failures go straight into bin
14:19 SquirrelCZECH hmm
14:19 SquirrelCZECH but I suppose I have to print some test pieces anyway
14:19 SquirrelCZECH just want to get some input before I do that
14:20 deshipu SquirrelCZECH: if I was to make something flexible, I would print a form and use it to cast it from silica
14:20 RifRaf maybe ask those they have made cable tracks for printers, i think jbfromoz did some
14:21 SquirrelCZECH deshipu: seams reasonable
14:21 RifRaf i'd make a very simple remote control robot platform and test outside
14:21 SquirrelCZECH that's actually simple
14:21 SquirrelCZECH but have to desing a lot of things to do that :)
14:22 RifRaf or buy a very cheap toy you can fit the tracks to
14:23 SquirrelCZECH RifRaf: not so easy
14:23 RifRaf no worries, just thinking of ideas
14:23 SquirrelCZECH I want to design suspension before that
14:23 SquirrelCZECH I suppose I want to test tracks,wheels and suspension at once
14:24 SquirrelCZECH But I suppose printing 1 geared wheel and 3 normal wheels + some track pieces
14:24 deshipu SquirrelCZECH: designing a lot of things together without a prototype usually leads to a lot of nonworking :(
14:24 SquirrelCZECH drill some holes into piece of wood and try how it rotates is basic :)
14:25 SquirrelCZECH deshipu: yeah, have to balance i t out
14:49 SquirrelCZECH http://projects.veverak.org/Arduino%20Tank/test3.png
14:49 SquirrelCZECH this could do some trick :)
15:10 SquirrelCZECH well
15:11 SquirrelCZECH it's good to explore the generated gcode out of stls
15:11 SquirrelCZECH found out that some part of some parts were not exactly... it
15:25 SquirrelCZECH http://projects.veverak.org/Arduino%20Tank/test4.png UPGRADE :)
15:25 cnnx hi SquirrelCZECH are you good with motor controllers?
15:26 SquirrelCZECH cnnx: not sure
15:26 SquirrelCZECH I am able to connect wires for stepper drivers and setup stepper drivers
15:26 SquirrelCZECH and got some skills with setuping ESC
15:26 SquirrelCZECH cnnx: why?
15:27 cnnx SquirrelCZECH: there's a CIM motor I like from a company with the specs and wonder which motor controller from pololu I need (i want to get it from them cause of the usb interface), they have several models with difference amps
15:27 cnnx SquirrelCZECH: if i show u the links can you help?
15:27 SquirrelCZECH maybe?
15:28 cnnx SquirrelCZECH: http://www.andymark.com/CIM-motor-FIRST-p/am-0255.htm
15:28 cnnx thats the specs for the motor
15:29 cnnx http://www.pololu.com/category/10/brushed-dc-motor-controllers
15:29 cnnx those are the usb controllers
15:29 cnnx i want to put 2 motors on 1 controller
15:29 cnnx so i need 2 controllers
15:29 cnnx the left motors on one and the right motors on the other
15:33 SquirrelCZECH hmm
15:33 SquirrelCZECH cnnx: it seems you should be ok with 12V/28A motor
15:33 SquirrelCZECH but dunno
15:33 SquirrelCZECH *12V/28A regulator
15:34 cnnx i dont see that one in the chart
15:34 SquirrelCZECH nope, highest amperage is this one http://www.pololu.com/product/1383
15:35 cnnx n
15:35 cnnx no
15:35 cnnx its this one http://www.pololu.com/product/1499
15:35 SquirrelCZECH and I am not sure I understand the motor specs correctly :D
15:36 SquirrelCZECH but it sounds like it's effeciency is terrible
15:36 cnnx ok thanks for trying
15:36 SquirrelCZECH cnnx: try somewhere else
15:36 SquirrelCZECH to be sure
15:44 bezoka hello
15:52 GuShH hi
15:59 GuShH Tom_itx: meh one of the 3 jaw chucks is kinda crapped out, the jaws are at least... hard to tell if it will center properly without buying a set of jaws :(
16:15 deshipu so, I have one of those cheap laptop webcam modules
16:15 deshipu Toshiba 8071_A2_GB
16:16 deshipu which is basically an USB webcam, you just have to figure out the pinout
16:16 deshipu and someone here wanted me to report back when I do
16:16 deshipu so I did
16:16 deshipu basically the first two pins are ground, then it's the usual USB cable order: green, white, red
19:27 cnnx is it ok to place a solar panel on the top surface of my robot thats bigger than the base of the robot or will it become unstable? its hard to find a small 80W panel
19:31 bezoka do you want make outdoor robot?
19:31 cnnx yes
19:32 orlock it all depends on your COG
19:32 orlock just put your lead acid batteries down low
19:32 cnnx center of gravity?
19:32 orlock yes
19:32 cnnx so if its very heavy at the bottom it can support a larger area solar panel
19:32 cnnx right
19:32 cnnx my robot can have 400lbs payload
19:33 cnnx so its not a problem
19:33 orlock All relative...
19:38 cnnx this robot is more expensive than i thought
19:38 cnnx im almost at 2000$ already
19:39 bezoka ;o
19:39 bezoka what do you make?
19:39 cnnx i didnt buy anything yet, just choosing parts so far
19:39 cnnx wanted to stay under 2000$ for everything
19:39 bezoka what that robot will do?
19:39 cnnx just an outdoor solar power robot with ensors and cameras
19:40 cnnx sensors
19:40 bezoka it is for fun only:D?
19:40 cnnx yes and learning
19:40 bezoka where are you from?
19:40 cnnx why
19:41 bezoka 2k$ is lots of money, where I live :D
19:41 cnnx arent you building something to do with robotics?
19:41 bezoka I making robot
19:41 cnnx and i didnt buy anything
19:42 bezoka very simple robot
19:42 cnnx just trying to see if its worth it
19:42 cnnx i built a robot 3 years ago
19:42 cnnx indoors
19:42 cnnx but now i want a solar powered one
19:42 cnnx bigger
19:42 bezoka it will be very fun :D
19:43 bezoka for you, make robot like that
19:43 cnnx i live in canada, where do you live?
19:43 bezoka what microcontroller do you want use for this?
19:43 bezoka poland
19:43 bezoka near russia and germany
19:43 cnnx im not using micro controller
19:43 cnnx single board computers
19:43 cnnx arm cpu with debian os
19:44 rue_more the good or french end of canada?
19:44 cnnx the french bad end
19:44 rue_more awe
19:44 rue_more im on the west end
19:44 cnnx are you in british columbia
19:44 rue_more yes
19:44 cnnx ok
19:45 rue_more how did you spend 2k on a robot?
19:45 cnnx i didnt
19:45 bezoka he didnt
19:45 cnnx just planning one
19:45 cnnx well i called today
19:45 cnnx for the chassis
19:45 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/robot_family2.jpg
19:45 cnnx its 900$ CAD
19:45 rue_more those were all $20 or less
19:46 bezoka rue_more: its all your?
19:46 rue_more maybe you should build one and pocket the toher $800
19:46 rue_more yes
19:46 rue_more its out of date, sorry
19:46 bezoka nice
19:46 cnnx all 20$ or less?
19:46 cnnx impressive
19:47 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm5/p1030984.jpg
19:47 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm6/p1050022.jpg
19:47 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm7/slide.htm <-- these are about $35
19:47 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm8/slide.htm <- again, about $35
19:48 rue_more http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm9/slide.htm <-- $35
19:48 cnnx i'll show you the chassis i want to buy
19:48 cnnx http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-0968.htm?1=1&CartID=0
19:49 cnnx can support 400lbs
19:52 orlock cnnx: what sort of SBC? the one i'm using currently was $25
19:52 cnnx orlock: one from embeddedarm.com
19:52 cnnx orlock: they range about 100-200$
19:52 cnnx orlock: i have one from them already on my existing robot.. very stable
19:53 orlock much different from beagleboard or rpi ?
19:53 cnnx and low power
19:53 cnnx yes
19:53 cnnx it has a full debian installation
19:53 cnnx without the grpahical part
19:53 cnnx actually maybe beagleboard is similar
19:54 bezoka cnnx: what that robot will do?
19:54 cnnx didnt decide yet
19:54 cnnx just sensors on it
19:54 cnnx i wanted to replciate a mars rover
19:54 cnnx like the earlier opportuniy
19:55 bezoka make robot claw :D
19:56 cnnx beagleboard is cheap
19:56 cnnx and fast
19:57 cnnx maybe i should use that
19:57 cnnx runs linux
19:59 bezoka do it on uC ^^
20:06 rue_more 400lbs based on wheels, aka not the shafts or the rest of the frame
20:06 rue_more or the motors ability to turn them
20:07 orlock rue: see the clip?
20:07 rue_more no
20:07 orlock http://youtu.be/alYGoOp2zqk go to 1:40 , or http://dark.crypt.net.au/WTF_IS_IN_MY_BACKYARD.gif
20:08 orlock apparently its a yabbie - they are freshwater living things though, i am on a hillside...
20:08 rue_more flies? ants?
20:09 rue_more hah there was a leech?
20:09 rue_more when is it?
20:09 orlock 1:40-1:50ish
20:09 rue_more oh, taht looked like crab
20:10 orlock yeah
20:10 orlock i live on the side of a mountain....
20:11 rue_more crikey mate, got enough BUGS!?
20:11 rue_more freaking teranchula
20:15 rue_more I'm pretty sure if I put a camera out I wouldn't see anything
20:16 rue_more I should really set up the robot with the camera
20:21 rue_more ok I'm gonna measure the harddrive in the laptop I'm supposed to have fixed and work on the repra
20:23 orlock i bought a msata ssd for my home server the other day
20:23 orlock turns out its a mini-pcie slot, not msata
20:23 orlock :-(
20:24 rue_more yea, wtf standards aready
20:24 orlock so theres a laptop at work that runs like shit, 1TB spinner and 24G "cache" msata drive
20:24 rue_more I got a msata by accident and had to get an adapter
20:24 orlock replaced the 24 gig msata with the 120G samsuns msata i accidentally bought.. should give this laptop a nice speed boost
20:24 rue_more but both the ssd's I got died within a month, I have the warranty replacements but dont want to use them
20:25 orlock Hmm, i didnt bother looking for one
20:25 orlock wtf a month?
20:25 rue_more yea
20:25 rue_more so I currently regard the reliability of an ssd pretty close to 0/10
20:25 orlock i've had about... 6 SSD based systems in 5 or 6 years
20:26 rue_more I'v never had a mechanical fail before it was 7 years old
20:26 orlock only one has failed, and that was a WinXP install on a 4G ssd in one of the original netbooks
20:26 rue_more and I'm only saying 7 years cause I think that was the shortest service one did for me
20:26 rue_more kingston and Adata
20:27 rue_more the only drives I could find with a comperable read and write speed
20:27 rue_more ok I want to work on the reprap
20:36 rue_shop2 is rif online yet?
21:43 rue_shop3 this isn't working, between slicer and pronterface it scaled the object up 4x
21:44 rue_shop3 The print goes:
21:44 rue_shop3 - from 71.86 mm to 108.14 mm in X and is 36.29 mm wide
21:44 rue_shop3 - from 81.86 mm to 118.14 mm in Y and is 36.29 mm deep
21:44 rue_shop3 - from 0.00 mm to 10.10 mm in Z and is 10.10 mm high
21:44 rue_shop3 oh wait
21:44 rue_shop3 I think thats ok
22:02 rue_shop3 fail fail fail
22:02 rue_shop3 fail fila fail
22:03 rue_shop3 pronterface is crashing, the carrige is melting, and the feed rates are too high and its skipping steps
22:06 Tom_itx pull the plug!
22:07 e_shop3 slides the $300 printer off the edge of the bench into the trash
22:07 Tom_itx tuning takes time
22:09 Tom_itx is this a 'rue' printer or are you following someone's design?
22:10 rue_shop3 I am thougholy discouraged
22:10 rue_shop3 esp cause the carrige has warped
22:10 Tom_itx carriage?
22:11 Tom_itx the rods?
22:11 Tom_itx or the plastic
22:15 rue_shop3 the carrige is plastic
22:39 rue_shop3 extruder is scrweed up now, jammed or soemthing
22:39 rue_shop3 I give up
22:39 Tom_itx meh, set it aside for a few days
22:40 Tom_itx you may have to melt the goo out of the extruder
22:46 rue_more yea, lots of acetone