#robotics Logs

Jul 27 2014

#robotics Calendar


01:30 rue_mohr2 I welded the hinges onto the sand blasting booth,
01:30 rue_mohr2 worked out the pinout to the avr boards I been getting
01:30 rue_mohr2 fixed the cord on the hand drill
01:31 rue_mohr2 fixed the cord on the skill saw
01:31 rue_mohr2 and replaced a table with a proper shelf
01:31 rue_mohr2 almost got everything loaded back onto it too
01:31 rue_mohr2 Tom_itx, I'm thinking of a channel reBOOT, you mind?
01:35 rue_mohr2 Tom_itx, I'm pretty sure you just said 'go for it'
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01:37 Jak_o_Shadows What was the point of that?>
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01:37 cjimti lol
01:38 rue_mohr2 the channel is in the later stages of life
01:38 rue_mohr2 aka its dead
01:38 cjimti no kidding
01:38 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah
01:38 rue_mohr2 its part of the regular life cycle of a channel
01:38 rue_mohr2 every so often me and or tom try to see what we can do about it
01:38 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, what you building recently?
01:39 Jak_o_Shadows Picking up the rest of the 3D printer parts wednesday
01:39 Jak_o_Shadows then a robot arm.
01:39 rue_mohr2 see how many dead lurkers I just purged?
01:39 Jak_o_Shadows yeah
01:39 rue_mohr2 from 76 to 32
01:39 Jak_o_Shadows The robot arm has IK software written for it, and recently I tried to visualize it's workspace using openscad
01:39 cjimti I'm an undead lurker
01:39 rue_mohr2 cool
01:40 rue_mohr2 cjimti, yea, you came back, what are you working on?
01:40 Jak_o_Shadows The openscad bit sorta almost works.
01:40 cjimti lol basic stamp
01:40 rue_mohr2 basic stamps are old
01:40 Jak_o_Shadows Will post about it when it does
01:40 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, what does the arm look like?
01:40 cjimti yeah it has a lot of dust on it
01:40 rue_mohr2 want help getting into avrs?
01:41 Jak_o_Shadows It's just going to be a boring hobby servo arm. Will 3D print the elbow brackets.
01:41 rue_mohr2 k, do me a favour, dont balance the whole arm on the end of a servo
01:41 Hyratel1 dafuq
01:41 cjimti have not messed with robotics much at all. have done a few Arduino projects but nothing exciting.
01:41 rue_mohr2 Hyratel1, your real, congraduations
01:42 rue_mohr2 cjimti, what kinda stuff do you want to get into?
01:42 Jak_o_Shadows https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/104809629/19.PNG On the left is usiing python, on the right is openscad. For the same arm limits.
01:42 Hyratel1 cjimti, much of robtoics is figuring out how the hell to make the damn thing stay put
01:42 Jak_o_Shadows So it's sorta close
01:42 cjimti not sure yet. I'm a software developer so i get a little ham handed on the hardware side
01:43 rue_mohr2 cjimti, for $2.50ea you can get some servos and make them twitch on the table
01:43 cjimti rue_mohr2 got a few burnt out motors and a busted servo in a box over here lol
01:43 rue_mohr2 http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm7/p1050964.jpg
01:44 rue_mohr2 ^^ see how its not mounted ont eh shaft of the servo!?
01:44 rue_mohr2 http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm7/ <-- build log
01:44 Jak_o_Shadows rue, how do you control them?
01:44 rue_mohr2 1 to 2ms pulse from an avr
01:44 cjimti rue_mohr2 built a pan tilt for a go pro and it worked well for a bit but that is as advanced as i get
01:45 rue_mohr2 cjimti, thats a fine start
01:45 cjimti thanks
01:45 Jak_o_Shadows Ok. Silly question. Do you do it by hand, or have you written IK software?
01:45 Hyratel1 Jak_o_Shadows, there's a library to output software defined Hobby Servo pulses
01:45 rue_mohr2 once upon a time I taught a chap how to flash an led and he damn near took over the world
01:45 rue_mohr2 my arm?
01:46 rue_mohr2 I wrote an 8 channel servo controller, the computer sends positions over serial
01:46 Jak_o_Shadows Ah. That is the approach i'm going to use
01:46 rue_mohr2 its only 8 channel cause the timing is by the book PERFECT
01:46 rue_mohr2 want a copy? its mega32
01:46 rue_mohr2 I didn't trim it down to anything smaller yet
01:47 Jak_o_Shadows Maybe later. Using an msp430 for it at the moment.
01:47 rue_mohr2 heh
01:47 rue_mohr2 if your a microsecond out, the servo will noticably twitch
01:48 rue_mohr2 my code has rock stable timing
01:48 Jak_o_Shadows I figure that is a solved problem. So i'm more working on the control side
01:48 rue_mohr2 no
01:48 Jak_o_Shadows I'm probably going to see if I can bring data in and out of blender.
01:48 rue_mohr2 almost all libraries use too many interupts, they lap over each other and throw out the timeing, whcih causes jitter in the servos
01:49 Jak_o_Shadows Didn't necessary say solved well
01:50 cjimti rue_mohr2 first arduino project, led matrix http://ppl.ug/C2PiXTM5bX8/
01:51 rue_mohr2 jpg? jpg!? amination!
01:51 rue_mohr2 I want to see it flash man!
01:51 rue_mohr2 or person
01:52 cjimti cjimti no it just does letter and numbers
01:52 rue_mohr2 or alien, whatever you are
01:52 rue_mohr2 well I want to see it say hell world
01:52 rue_mohr2 or even hello world
01:52 rue_mohr2 how long for you to youtube us up with this?
01:53 rue_mohr2 oh you used that chip
01:53 rue_mohr2 I got some of those
01:53 cjimti rue_mohr2 yes i cheated
01:53 rue_mohr2 can you make it dim in and out "hello world"
01:53 rue_mohr2 I made...
01:53 Jak_o_Shadows What video editor do people use?
01:54 Jak_o_Shadows I'd like to make a video of the ik software playing, with the arm moving the same motions
01:54 cjimti Jak_o_Shadows final cut pro here
01:54 rue_mohr2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZv0et2Ixa4
01:54 rue_mohr2 I made that, I think its the same chip
01:55 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, I have the BVH player I made for that
01:55 rue_mohr2 but I havn't made the library into a bvh editor yet
01:55 rue_mohr2 I'm having a bit of a problem because the root/tip of the tree are... nonuniform
01:56 Jak_o_Shadows I actually think blender might be able to save that for me, come to think of it
01:56 rue_mohr2 cjimti, same chip?
01:56 rue_mohr2 BVH is really common
01:56 cjimti maxim max7219eng
01:56 rue_mohr2 yea
01:56 rue_mohr2 cjimti, cool!
01:56 rue_mohr2 cjimti, can you make us an animation?
01:57 Jak_o_Shadows Also, I have been working on pathfinding recently
01:57 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, with what kinda data?
01:57 Jak_o_Shadows Currently going through and learning fancier data structures to make it faster
01:57 cjimti rue_mohr2 yeah i try to tomorrow about to head to bed. i did this a few hers ago so ill have to tap it a few time to get the dust off :) http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX7219-MAX7221.pdf
01:57 rue_mohr2 I did some optimal route code
01:57 Jak_o_Shadows a grid. I'll work on the real world part later
01:58 Jak_o_Shadows As I understand it, I should be able to transition to waypoints easy enough
01:58 rue_mohr2 tracot rdrive? vetor drive?
01:58 mrdata is it okay now?
01:59 Jak_o_Shadows uh?
01:59 rue_mohr2 is what ok now?
01:59 mrdata is the channel back in order
02:00 mrdata "<rue_mohr2> Tom_itx, I'm thinking of a channel reBOOT, you mind?" etc
02:00 rue_mohr2 no, it has serious health problems
02:00 mrdata anything i can do to help
02:00 rue_mohr2 yes, make something and tell us lots about it as your working on it
02:00 mrdata yes!
02:01 mrdata well, i made a motor controller
02:01 mrdata for servo
02:01 rue_mohr2 sweet, tell us more
02:01 mrdata from a 555 timer and a potentiometer
02:01 rue_mohr2 the hard way :)
02:01 mrdata yep
02:02 mrdata $3.50 in parts
02:02 rue_mohr2 I have never been able to get the parts right to get the timing right
02:02 mrdata i got it
02:02 rue_mohr2 a mega328p is only $2.50 - $3.00
02:02 Jak_o_Shadows Isn't it just changing the duty cycle you give to a fet?
02:03 mrdata fet wasnt needed, the 555 outputs enough current (200 mA)
02:03 rue_mohr2 the hobby servos use a 1-2ms pulse
02:03 mrdata yes
02:03 mrdata calibrated
02:03 Jak_o_Shadows Ah, was thinking motor, not hobby servo
02:03 mrdata the finickey part was the capacitor tolerance
02:04 rue_mohr2 yea, last time I gave up and used a tin13
02:04 mrdata this servo controls an arm in a robot, so it's big enough
02:04 rue_mohr2 tiny13
02:04 rue_mohr2 8 pin chip, needs to be 5V regulated, but does 2 pwm cahnnels from analog voltages
02:04 rue_mohr2 (source available on request)
02:04 mrdata nice
02:05 rue_mohr2 I could not get a 555 to come out right, nomatter how amny programs I had calculate values for me :)
02:05 rue_mohr2 and the whole dip8+discretes doing 1 channel vs just a dip8 doing 2 channels
02:06 rue_mohr2 but I'm not knocking doing it with a 555
02:06 Jak_o_Shadows I should use those gate drivers I have and make a nice motor controller
02:06 rue_mohr2 I was really thrilled to use a 555 for a resettable overload latch and relay driver
02:07 rue_mohr2 the LM386 makes a pretty nice gate driver
02:07 mrdata iirc i had 1400 K ohm, and 75 k ohm resistors plus a 100 k ohm pot
02:07 rue_mohr2 its not super, but its good
02:07 Jak_o_Shadows I sampled some from TI :D
02:07 mrdata and had to tweak caps
02:07 mrdata by aiming low and adding smaller values, in parallel
02:07 rue_mohr2 yea, capacitor tolerances are surprisingly sloppy
02:07 mrdata they sure are
02:08 mrdata i needed something in vicinity of 15 nF
02:08 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, what kinda package? low and high side?
02:08 mrdata and three caps in parallel finally got it
02:09 rue_mohr2 I got one of the avr based component testers from china, but before I could do anything real with it, it died, need to work out why yet
02:10 rue_mohr2 wanted it for measuring caps and inductors
02:10 rue_mohr2 and identifying mystery transistors
02:10 Jak_o_Shadows LM5101B. So high and low side. Can't find it right now, but "LM5101BMA/NOPB"
02:10 rue_mohr2 oo
02:11 rue_mohr2 I can dig up datasheets
02:12 rue_mohr2 were at 36, I'm gonna guestimate that tommorow morning there aren't more than 40 here
02:12 rue_mohr2 so 37 dead idlers
02:13 rue_mohr2 Jak_o_Shadows, whats your ik written in?
02:13 Jak_o_Shadows Python.
02:13 Jak_o_Shadows That way I can get it into blender easily
02:18 Jak_o_Shadows Using cyclic coordinate descent, jacobian inverse, jacobian transpose. You choose which one
02:21 mrdata idlers may just be sleeping
02:22 mrdata do they auto rejoin?
02:37 rue_mohr2 hmm
02:37 rue_mohr2 not too many auto rejoin
02:37 rue_mohr2 for the most part the lukers that seem to be assosciated with channel death go awayf ora long time after being kicked
02:39 rue_mohr2 :) I didn't kick the people who I know are alive, ace4016 DagoRed eadthem Garak hackkitten Jak_o_Shadows LoRez MrCurious orlock theBear Tom_itx Triffid_Hunter
02:39 Jak_o_Shadows You did kick me :P
02:39 rue_mohr2 oh, sorry
02:40 eadthem someone poke?
02:40 eadthem o
02:40 dthem goes back to d
02:40 rue_mohr2 heh
02:50 rue_mohr2 Iv' started arm8
02:51 rue_mohr2 based on arm7
02:51 rue_mohr2 so far uses a hollow main shaft
02:51 rue_mohr2 many I'll have to room for slip rings and a microcontroller on top
02:51 rue_mohr2 with an ir data channel down the middle
02:52 rue_mohr2 need to work on that tho, I couldn't get even a plain jane opto isolator to do serial at any reasonable baud rate
06:12 iveevue Hello all
06:44 ckkitten hops about on the ceil
06:44 Jak_o_Shadows hi
07:12 ace4016 rue_mohr2, cleaning the channel?
07:13 theBear austintrigue indeed
09:56 iveevue Has anyone read the "lessons in electric circuits" books?
10:47 rue_bed not I
10:48 Tom_itx iirc they're linked in the #electronics topic
10:49 rue_bed ebook?
10:49 Tom_itx the link is
10:53 rue_bed I dont hear ofmany making motion control stuff for hobby servos
10:53 rue_bed lots of people have based companies on stepper motor motion control software
10:54 Tom_L http://www.electronicproducts.com/Videos/Apple_and_IBM_strike_a_deal_announce_new_business_partnership.aspx
10:55 Tom_L go figure
10:55 rue_bed it'll die soon
10:55 rue_bed that always does
10:56 rue_bed before it dies it will be found out that it didn't amount to anything anyhow
10:58 rue_bed apple knows its device suite sales are sliding to other companies who are making faster, better devices that are supported better
10:58 Tom_itx yeah their market share has dropped dramatically to samsung
10:59 rue_bed ( need I point out the malicious firmware update apple wouldn't warranty)
10:59 rue_bed burned out the wifi system
11:04 rue_bed well, the channel cleanout went well
11:05 rue_bed should do again later maybe
11:05 Tom_itx what cleanout?
11:05 rue_bed last night, trimmed 30+ lurkers out
11:06 rue_bed 32 so far
11:07 rue_bed Tom_itx, any new projects?
11:08 Tom_itx nope
11:09 Tom_itx in here?
11:09 Tom_itx any come back?
11:11 Tom_itx that zlog guy never talks
11:11 rue_mohr2 32 is the non-comback number
11:12 rue_mohr2 shall I try again?
11:12 rue_mohr2 the channel is in a pretty late stage of life as it is
11:12 rue_mohr2 even #linuxhelp isn't much more dead
11:13 Tom_itx i installed wheezy yesterday
11:13 rue_mohr2 what do you think?
11:13 Tom_itx pita
11:13 rue_mohr2 yea
11:13 rue_mohr2 did X work?
11:13 Tom_itx but it's where the cnc stuff is going
11:13 rue_mohr2 hah
11:13 Tom_itx i didn't press 'x'
11:13 Tom_itx what is it?
11:13 rue_mohr2 I thought everyone was comming off the ubuntu branches now
11:14 rue_mohr2 X is the gui
11:14 Tom_itx it uses something else
11:14 rue_mohr2 its always some form of X, xfree86 or the like might be hiding under 'desktop system'
11:15 rue_mohr2 hackaday REALLY wants some better entries for their space draw
11:15 Tom_itx xfce
11:15 rue_mohr2 http://hackaday.com/2014/07/26/4-minutes-to-entry/
11:15 Tom_itx maybe that'x x
11:16 rue_mohr2 xfce is just the window manager
11:16 Tom_itx i did get autologin working
11:16 Tom_itx edit lightdm.conf
11:16 rue_mohr2 login is controlled by a session manager, I dont install that :)
11:30 robotustra_ the idea: http://robotustra.imgur.com/all/
11:30 iveevue Not publically available, robotustra_
13:17 robotustra_ iveevue, can't see images?
13:18 robotustra_ iveevue: http://i.imgur.com/ybx5KQY.png
13:19 iveevue I can see the one directly above, but not the /all/ link
13:19 robotustra_ hm
13:19 MrCurious using 80/20 for that?
13:19 MrCurious ...spensive...
13:19 robotustra_ 20/20
13:20 MrCurious what is 20/20
13:20 robotustra_ $4 for 1 meter
13:20 robotustra_ 20 mm by 20 mm
13:20 MrCurious its still made by the 80/20 people
13:20 MrCurious $4 per meter... link me bud...
13:21 robotustra_ http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/industrial-Aluminum-Profiles-P5-20X20-M-aluminium-extrusion/213722_688286379.html
13:21 robotustra_ hm
13:21 robotustra_ I'm wrong
13:21 iveevue What are you building?
13:21 MrCurious says 6 pcs
13:22 robotustra_ it's a price for piese
13:22 robotustra_ piece
13:22 MrCurious shipping is insane
13:22 robotustra_ yes
13:22 robotustra_ I saw much chipper
13:22 MrCurious when you find it cheaper... remember to let me know :) ty
13:26 robotustra_ MrCurious: ppl from reprap like this place to buy http://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/110302368740/?HissuCode=KHFS5-2020-1000&PNSearch=KHFS5-2020-1000&Keyword=KHFS5-2020-1000
13:27 robotustra_ and here: https://bucharest-s05-i01-traffic.cyberghostvpn.com/go/browse.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fopenbuildspartstore.com%2Fv-slot%2F&b=7
13:46 MrCurious looks like they have a office 2 hours from me
14:56 rue_mohr2 who is spending $1000 on extruded aluminum for a 3d printer?
14:56 rue_mohr2 Tom_itx, shall I try cleaning up again?
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14:59 rue_mohr2 changed topic of #robotics to: Arduino controlled, 3d printed robots! | http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/index.php | Come tell us all about your projects!
15:00 MrCurious rue_mohr2: you have missed the important "psychology" bit. keeps channel nazi's from flipping out at every off topic line...
15:01 rue_mohr2 ace4016, DagoRed eadthem Garak GargantuaSauce GuShH hackkitten LoRez orlock theBear any of you have any cool projects in the works?
15:01 rue_mohr2 MrCurious, I dont think it ever worked.
15:01 rue_mohr2 changed topic of #robotics to: Arduino controlled, 3d printed psycho robots! | http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/index.php | Come tell us all about your projects!
15:01 rue_mohr2 there, its back in
15:01 MrCurious my 3d delta is nearing completion. hope to power th steppers today :)
15:01 rue_mohr2 cool, what controls the steppers?
15:02 MrCurious arduino mega + a shield that rives 4 step sticks
15:02 rue_mohr2 ah yes
15:02 rue_mohr2 got any pics up of it sofar?
15:02 MrCurious i forget the software i plan on using for it
15:02 MrCurious sure
15:02 MrCurious let me get a new one
15:02 rue_mohr2 well post man! post!
15:04 MrCurious https://www.dropbox.com/sc/mm840o9yqebqxy0/AACsm9SlcWIjuXIv6593rQvDa
15:05 rue_mohr2 fancy!
15:05 MrCurious made the carriage to effecctor rods tuned to identical length yesterday.
15:05 rue_mohr2 nice!, are you gonna counterweight them?
15:05 MrCurious today i will use the hot air reflow thing to do some heat shrink around some threaded rods to attach the universal joints to the carriages
15:06 MrCurious beats me. i am just pulling this whole thing outta my ass. zero planning
15:06 MrCurious counter weight might introduce some inertia problems
15:06 MrCurious so i just minimized weight oneach carriage
15:07 MrCurious motors can hold them in place without any connections, so i suspect it will be fine
15:10 MrCurious Marlin, that was the firmware to use...
15:11 MrCurious i think GargantuaSauce was also doing a delta
15:11 MrCurious as well as robotustra_
15:11 MrCurious seems the "in" thing to do of late
15:11 MrCurious BUT MOM! all my friends are making delta's!
15:13 robotustra_ :)
15:15 robotustra_ and whan you'll put 16 pound extruder..
15:16 robotustra_ + hot end
15:16 hackkitten rue_mohr2: I'm working on the early stages of my custom system architecture :)
15:20 robotustra_ hackkitten: what for?
15:21 hackkitten to experiment with a new type of CPU architecture and caching/scheduling
15:21 hackkitten mostly aimed at HPC
15:21 robotustra_ hackkitten: link
15:22 hackkitten none yet~
15:22 hackkitten early stages :3
15:22 hackkitten but I'll publish some details once I get some performance testing on it done
15:23 hackkitten may do a log too
15:24 robotustra_ I was thinking about OS without schedule
15:31 MrCurious1 Bear... your turn for show and tell
15:34 MrCurious1 man show and tell HOUR here is kind of weak. hardly any participate
15:35 GargantuaSauce better kick some more people
15:35 MrCurious1 yeah... PURGE
15:35 MrCurious1 down with lurkers
15:36 MrCurious1 (and AC jerry rigging bots)
15:45 robotustra_ MrCurious1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJo_ZmFbqg&feature=youtu.be
15:49 MrCurious1 nice
15:49 MrCurious1 looks like the alignment is good and accuracy very close
15:52 robotustra_ sure
15:52 robotustra_ LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i34QtyFgOxk
15:55 robotustra_ http://s17.postimg.org/4oajqiobh/IMG_7348.jpg
15:59 MrCurious1 nobody pulls ver for it...
15:59 MrCurious1 russians dont respect police?
15:59 robotustra_ there is no police in russia :)
16:00 robotustra_ road police
16:00 robotustra_ and militsiya
16:01 robotustra_ how to say, russians don't respect laws in general
16:01 MrCurious1 nearly 2pm and i have made no progress. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/40/17/18/4017186b9a76ea8a5b2b043f8a80c9fd.jpg
16:01 robotustra_ and when somebody try to confine them
16:02 robotustra_ pull out your lazy ass from kbd and go to garage
16:03 robotustra_ I'm printing and you are watching
17:22 rue_mohr2 MrCurious1, you can put the filament feeder remote
17:23 rue_mohr2 I had to step out for a bit, sorry
17:23 rue_mohr2 robotustra_, is that yours?
17:29 rue_shop2 nice commic, I have to print that
17:34 rue_mohr2 I need to wire up the driver board for my printer
17:34 rue_mohr2 who here is good with scad/
17:34 rue_mohr2 ?
17:34 rue_mohr2 or is there soemthing else to use to create objects?
17:47 ace4016 rue_mohr2, no cool projects in the work, but i'm getting an itch to start a personal project. either something to help eliminate mosquitoes or a lawnmower bot...though i feel that might be over done
17:47 ace4016 though i haven't seen a nicely working solution...
18:19 MrCurious1 rue_mohr2: that is my plan
18:21 Tom_itx rue_mohr2 if you want experts in scad join #reprap
18:21 Tom_itx rifraf was
18:35 Curious1 dangles this in front of rue_mohr2 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Comet-vacuum-capacitor-1000pF-5-3KV-stepper-motor-driver-/191264940758?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2c884762d6
19:15 rue_mohr2 ace4016, well I have experience with lawnmower bots
19:16 rue_mohr2 start one, then change it to be what you want
19:16 rue_mohr2 even if it requires a few overhauls in the process
19:16 rue_mohr2 then, atleast you will have soemthing
19:17 rue_mohr2 MrCurious1, I'm wondering what thats used for
19:17 rue_mohr2 tuning a high freq thing?
19:17 MrCurious1 so was i. figured you would have a better clue
19:18 MrCurious1 perhaps for tuning a transmitter amplifier...
19:18 MrCurious1 well power amplifier
19:18 rue_mohr2 1nf is pretty big for that
19:19 Tom_itx still using razor blades to cut grass?
19:22 rue_mohr2 I left them off as of quite a while ago, it kept hitting things and shattering them
19:22 rue_mohr2 to this day I'v never found a peice, and I hope I never do
19:22 Tom_itx note: don't walk thru rue_shop2's yard barefoot
19:23 rue_mohr2 ideas on how to refresh the channel life?
19:23 rue_mohr2 I think we need atleast two bablemouths who are activly working on projects
19:24 Tom_itx i've been sharpening my mower blades _every_ time i mow this year. been taking less fuel and doing a nicer job
19:24 rue_mohr2 sharp blades make a big difference
19:24 rue_mohr2 I noticed a big diff in eff on the mowerbot
19:24 Tom_itx i keep 3 or 4 ready to go on the wall
19:25 rue_mohr2 :) quick change on the mower blade
19:25 Tom_itx but i've been using one particular one all this year
19:25 Tom_itx it's got extra fins on it for more lift when mowing wet grass and bagging it
19:27 MrCurious1 yes, channel needs new life
19:29 Loshki rue_mohr2: are you done kicking everyone?
19:29 Tom_itx we flush deadbeats out every so often
19:29 Tom_itx to see who actually will come back
19:30 Tom_itx are you a deadbeat?
19:30 MrCurious1 sounds good. did you set kick reason to that
19:30 Tom_itx i didn't do it
19:30 robotustra_ MrCurious1: nice visual effect http://s9.postimg.org/q21cuwfj1/IMG_7349.jpg
19:30 Loshki no, I contribute occasionally...
19:30 MrCurious1 could invite kat back...
19:30 Tom_itx well you were attentive enough to rejoin apparently
19:30 Tom_itx MrCurious1 what for?
19:30 MrCurious1 lol
19:31 Tom_itx i suppose i could find flyback too...
19:31 MrCurious1 i like flyback
19:31 MrCurious1 he was clever and made shit
19:31 Tom_itx big pita though
19:32 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/mtkflash/flash_howto_index.phpi
19:32 Tom_itx i gave him credit for helping me with that
19:34 rue_mohr2 Loshki, sorry if you keep getting bumped, I dont recognize you as an active chap here
19:34 Loshki np. I'm new to #robotics, I usually hang out in #ubuntu...
19:35 rue_mohr2 Loshki, so what brought you to robotics?
19:35 rue_mohr2 that vase is crazy
19:36 robotustra_ rue_mohr2: I think so to
19:37 robotustra_ I going to use it as a cup for pens
19:37 robotustra_ delta bots are rules
19:38 robotustra_ nice even print no warping
19:38 robotustra_ no strings
19:38 robotustra_ PLA
19:38 robotustra_ I'm happy
19:38 MrCurious1 i am surprised that someone hasn't combined extruder, cnc mill, and laser cutter and called it a make-sawl
19:39 robotustra_ you are welcome
19:40 robotustra_ universal tool fill do each operation worser than any of machine which do specialise on it
19:40 robotustra_ I can drill holes on mill but i'ts better to use drill press
19:41 robotustra_ and the complexity of universal tool will be so big that it will break constantly
19:41 MrCurious1 i get better holes out of my mill than my drill press, but i think you meant cnc mill :)
19:51 Tom_itx i prefer doughnut holes
19:59 Loshki rue_mohr2: Hi! My name is Loshki & I'm a roboholic. A retired software engineer, I recently got a cat, shortly followed by a Roomba, a Neato, and a Scooba. I was hooked! It immediately became clear to me that I'd rather clean robots that clean floors, than clean floors. I started buying cheapo used "beater" Roombas and Neatos off ebay & craigslist to take apart & see how they worked, & cannibalise for parts. Since I'm much better at software & hardw
19:59 Loshki are, it suits me to have a robotic platform where all the details have been worked out.
20:04 Loshki So, what's it all for? Well, I want to choreograph them: 20 or 30 across the stage, covered in leds and dancing bathing-belle figurines. No stealing this idea, ok :-)
20:05 Loshki much better at software & hardware -> much better at software *than* hardware
20:07 Hyratel1 Loshki, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33593534/images/Robot/DSCN2011.JPG
20:07 Hyratel1 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33593534/images/Robot/DSCN2012.JPG
20:07 Hyratel1 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33593534/images/Robot/DSCN2016.JPG
20:08 Hyratel1 how big are your bathing belles? fullsize mannequins?
20:08 Hyratel1 60-100 Lb weight class would make a suitable platform for what you're planning, if that's the case
20:09 Hyratel1 ^ that rover, named Hormes, will do 8 mph in a straight line
20:13 Loshki Hyratel1: Full size would be amazing. The current ones are about 7" tall, originally wax, I plan to scan and print them so I can animate the limbs. The current idea is to use recycled neatos/roombas as platforms, as the cheaper they are, the more I can have. Sigh. Everything has a budget, especially in the Arts...
20:14 Loshki And thanks for not telling me I'm insane, btw...
20:19 Hyratel1 Loshki, hey, if you are, then I am in the same way. it's all good
20:19 Hyratel1 go on "Andymark.com"
20:20 Hyratel1 they've got chassis kits and electronics starter packs suitable for the kind of build you want
20:40 MrCurious1 Hyratel1: nice bot...
20:41 Hyratel1 thanks
20:42 MrCurious1 looks like made with steel? you have steel fabrication skills?
20:42 Hyratel1 aoll hardware store mat'ls
20:42 MrCurious1 the black angle brackets were store bought?
20:42 Hyratel1 no
20:42 MrCurious1 the holding bracket for th red box...
20:43 MrCurious1 that looks cut and custom folded
20:43 Hyratel1 but theytwere cut freehand with an angle grinder
20:43 Hyratel1 this is all entry level tooling
20:43 MrCurious1 pretty spiffy for just angle ground...
20:43 Hyratel1 the MOST sophisticated that was used was a drill press
20:43 Hyratel1 *
20:43 MrCurious1 i would expect good work coming from you going forward
20:44 Hyratel1 *however, the galvanised conduit was salvaged pre-bent from a votech center's scrap bin
20:44 MrCurious1 sourcing materials is a skill
20:44 Hyratel1 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33593534/images/Robot/DSCN2014.JPG
20:44 Hyratel1 freehand coping with a big fat drillbit
20:44 Hyratel1 then counterbored
20:44 MrCurious1 you need a welder now :)
20:48 Hyratel1 Loshki, you exploring the Andymark website?
20:55 robotustra_ "loshki" means "spoons" in russian
21:14 MrCurious1 may have just given us too much of a peek into his private life there robotustra_
22:14 Loshki Hyratel1: Andymark is a huge site. And anything in the $1000 range is well outside of my budget. A damaged roomba is about $30...
22:14 Hyratel1 Loshki, and a roomba won't *stably* carry a person-sized mannequin
22:15 Loshki robotustra: spoons is cool. Robot was a Russian word originally I believe
22:15 orlock car battery, 2x cordless drills, choppingboard
22:15 Loshki Hyratel1: I know; probably gonna have to scale it down accordingly
22:19 Loshki orlock: Ah, that's much more my speed. Also, recycle used parts e.g. RC cars, old vcrs, etc. from Salvation Army/Flea Markets/Jumble sales.
22:30 Hyratel1 Loshki, if you want a stage durable design, you're going to need something more reliable than rummage electronics
22:30 Hyratel1 the reason I brought up Andymark is because they make and sell stuff meant to be worked on by high school students
22:33 Loshki Hyratel1: I never thought of that, but now that you mention it, it seems obvious. MTBF on rummage electronics is gonna eat me alive, isn't it?
22:34 Hyratel1 yep, especially if you're doing repeat stage shows
22:37 MrCurious1 carriage rod universaljoints attached
22:38 MrCurious1 guess its time to measure andstart on fabricating the effector plate
22:38 Hyratel1 you at least want your control source electronics to be newbought, and build them in such a way as to be upgradeable
22:39 MrCurious1 upgrades and systematic refinement are features of the hobby
22:39 MrCurious1 sooner you plan to accommodate that easier time you will have
22:40 Hyratel1 Loshki, do you want all manual control or do you want autonomous scripted manuvers
22:46 MrCurious on board intelligence, or remote intelligence?
22:55 MrCurious and now for some soldering
22:55 Loshki Hyratel1: I'd imagined scripted manoeuvres of some kind, not sure how autonomous. Autonomy may be (just about) up to the job of vacuuming the house, and I've no doubt it can produce some kind of dance, but I worry about the quality. The idea of puppetry is also interesting, but then I need trained operators. So, remote control & telemetry. And presumably some kind of simulator to begin with. I know there are systems for dance notation. I need to loo
22:55 Loshki k at some...
22:56 Hyratel1 Loshki, I reccomend a remote control scripted
22:56 Hyratel1 using "beacons" of some sort
22:56 Hyratel1 IR is pretty reliable and is almost turnkey
22:57 Hyratel1 you'll need some pretty sophisticated sensors to get a consistent and repeatable performance
22:57 MrCurious look at odroid-u3 when you are searching for on board control brain. that and an arduino/avr should cover most everything
22:57 MrCurious http://www.ebay.com/itm/10DOF-Module-9-axis-Attitude-Indicator-L3G4200D-ADXL345-HMC5883L-BMP085-Module-/130764281100?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7228950c
22:58 MrCurious add in a $20 gps
22:58 MrCurious http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ublox-NEO-6M-GPS-Module-Aircraft-Flight-Controller-For-Arduino-MWC-IMU-APM2-/200911914297?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec7488539
22:58 MrCurious and a ps3 eye cam
22:58 MrCurious configure the odroid-u3 to be a wifi hotspot
22:59 MrCurious connect to it,and stream data to your computer
22:59 MrCurious least that was MY plan
22:59 MrCurious use eroMQ for streaming video, and amqp for streaming sensor data and commands
22:59 MrCurious zeroMQ
23:00 Hyratel1 MrCurious, GPS won't have the resolution needed for inter-unit spatial awareness on a stage
23:01 MrCurious not for fine grained, but for cource grained
23:01 Loshki Hyratel1: I had the same thought about IR. I'm not sure anything else would be fast enough. Good dance seems like it might require pretty real-time response & fairly close tolerances. That's engineering speak for "pain in the ass"...
23:01 MrCurious the IMU will give you a additional clue about which way you are facing, and orientation
23:02 MrCurious http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php
23:02 robotustra sleep
23:02 Loshki robotustra: command accepted, sleeping...
23:10 Loshki MrCurious: that stuff works better for locating aircraft. How far did you get with your plan?
23:12 MrCurious got it working together
23:12 MrCurious got the omni bot accepting movement commands
23:12 MrCurious then fell down a lets make a CNC hole, followed by a lets make a 3d printer hole
23:13 Loshki MrCurious: what do you program the odroid-u3 in?
23:13 MrCurious given i do it to relax, i dont mind when i pause a project to peruse another quest
23:13 MrCurious linnux
23:13 MrCurious so either c++ or java depending on requirements
23:13 MrCurious hell even python if i was a glutton for self torture
23:14 Loshki MrCurious: :-)
23:16 Hyratel1 Loshki, you can use a trick from lazertag
23:17 Hyratel1 use carrier-coded IR beacons
23:17 Hyratel1 place one at each corner of the stage
23:18 MrCurious why use IR ,when rfm12b nrf24-l01, and wifi are so cheap
23:18 Hyratel1 because it's line of sight and easier to get a solid directional lock
23:18 MrCurious ir is going to have issues out in the sunllight
23:18 Hyratel1 carrier coded
23:18 MrCurious still think it will get swamped out by the sun...
23:18 Hyratel1 38/49/52kHz
23:26 Loshki Hyratel1: Any idea what kind of accuracy I can expect by triangulation?
23:26 Hyratel1 hangon
23:28 MrCurious what is your goal again? to run it in an acre range? and have it understand orientation and direction as well as possition...
23:28 OracleCarbon Oh hey, an actual channel with actual people.
23:28 MrCurious for day time operation, the sun would make for a interesting fixed point, add a filter to a webcam and use opencv/simple cv...
23:28 OracleCarbon Probably.
23:29 MrCurious triangulation would require crazy clock synchronization i think, beynd me to off the cuff anwer
23:30 MrCurious as well as signal strength quantification, which over small distances, may not be that differentiable..
23:30 Hyratel1 MrCurious, we've both said "stage" several times
23:31 MrCurious more i think about it... i think you want the solution that a optical mouse uses
23:31 MrCurious downward facing camera with illumination
23:31 MrCurious compare picture by picture and you can detect distance of travel, and angle changes
23:32 MrCurious add in gps and IMU beause they are cheap, and you should have enough data to work out some interesting orientation and travel details
23:33 orlock MrCurious: sure, the suns a reasonably fixed point, but then you have to take into account for the earths rotation and orbit around it
23:33 OracleCarbon I don't suppose anyone here's played around with remotely-operated Supersoakers?
23:33 Hyratel1 you're better off making youre own pressure system
23:33 orlock OracleCarbon: no, but cant be too hard
23:34 orlock OracleCarbon: cats? birds? possums?
23:34 OracleCarbon orlock: Yeah, I figure it's not the biggest challenge with those new electric ones, I'm just curious how much of the original shape and housing i need to retain
23:34 OracleCarbon orlock: Assassins
23:35 OracleCarbon I've decided to be a spineless coward this year and take out my targets from the safety of a locked room, let an unmanned vehicle go into the danger zone for me
23:35 Hyratel1 OracleCarbon, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33593534/images/Robot/DSCN2011.JPG
23:36 OracleCarbon Hyratel1: A little too real for my tastes.
23:36 OracleCarbon I've got the parts to make http://www.instructables.com/id/Tankbot-Internet-Controlled-Tank-Robot/
23:36 Hyratel1 what
23:37 OracleCarbon So I'm going to build it, strap my phone to it so I can have that turn 4G into Wifi and give me a remote video feed
23:37 OracleCarbon Then sit with my laptop away from the danger
23:37 Hyratel1 OracleCarbon, explain "real"
23:37 OracleCarbon Hyratel1: Involved, complex, expensive, large, and overkill
23:37 Hyratel1 that is a versatile design that can handle reasonably rugged terrain
23:37 Hyratel1 that's not "real"
23:37 Hyratel1 real should only be used in math
23:38 Hyratel1 as a counterpart to imaginary
23:38 OracleCarbon Not even Spanish soccer?
23:38 Hyratel1 whu
23:38 Loshki no, no. If it's not "real" it's "integer". Fortran something...
23:39 Hyratel1 OracleCarbon, in short, if you use "real" to try and escape actually describing something I will wordslap you
23:40 Loshki I'm not interested in robotic warfare myself, but it's an inevitable part of the technology...
23:40 OracleCarbon But yeah, my experience and equipment are not tailored at present to ground vehicles, so I'm going small-scale and basic.
23:40 OracleCarbon The stealth of a tiny design is nice for this application, too.
23:40 orlock theres a company somewhere in australia that makes robot tarkets
23:41 OracleCarbon Not to mention it's harder to evade a small vehicle.
23:41 orlock they actually have human sized target dummies
23:41 orlock programmable, panic and duck when shot at, etc
23:42 Hyratel1 OracleCarbon, "too large", "too expensive", "too powerful"
23:42 Hyratel1 but never "too real:"
23:42 Loshki The future of warfare, like space travel, is unmanned, for better or worse...
23:42 OracleCarbon Hyratel1: Are you Hyratel from the KSP IRC or are there multiple Hyratels in my life?
23:42 Hyratel1 that chassis cost $600 to assemble
23:42 Hyratel1 yes i are
23:42 orlock "Too capable of breaking an ankle"
23:42 Hyratel1 ^ that too
23:42 anonnumberanon rue_bed, ?
23:42 Loshki KSP?
23:42 OracleCarbon Hyratel1: What's the operating time on that beast?
23:43 orlock Kerbal Space Program
23:43 Hyratel1 30 mins before battery upgrade
23:43 Hyratel1 battery upgrade doubled the battery capacity
23:43 Hyratel1 18AH SLA
23:43 orlock Will teach you more about orbital mechanics than working at NASA, according to one ex-nasa employee
23:43 OracleCarbon Autonomous or remote-operated?
23:43 Hyratel1 fully remote
23:44 lock got into orbit
23:44 OracleCarbon I should build a wheelbarrow onto one of those
23:44 orlock Does anybody actually play career mode?
23:44 Hyratel1 orlock, the .24 upgrade improved career
23:45 OracleCarbon Maybe I'll come back to the scale in the future if I ever build my self-propelled potato gun
23:45 orlock Think thats what i have i think
23:46 Hyratel1 OracleCarbon, it's weather ruggedised
23:46 Hyratel1 ie, it's fully rain-safe
23:46 OracleCarbon What do you use it for?
23:46 orlock Hyratel1: Managed to get to orbit using the basic gear, and get my guy back, beyond that though, eurgh
23:46 Hyratel1 orlock, ok?
23:49 Hyratel1 what do you want me to do about it?
23:50 orlock Nothing, i was just wondering if it was something people generally bothered with, or is getting stuff into orbit without limitations on researched gear hard enough
23:50 OracleCarbon orlock: Kerbal is never hard enough!
23:50 Hyratel1 orlock, play with FAR
23:51 Hyratel1 it'll teach you good practices
23:57 anonnumberanon that feel when getting reBOOTed from #robotics
23:57 anonnumberanon :(