#robotics Logs
Dec 23 2013
#robotics Calendar
00:01 MrCurious holding 2 of 3 boring machines
00:31 GargantuaSauce add some flashing LEDs and maybe they'll become exciting machines
00:32 sherlock GargantuaSauce: altair 8800?
00:33 GargantuaSauce a ....shining example
00:39 MrCurious i always confused 8080 and 8800
00:40 MrCurious and there ws 6502 and some other one i confused
00:40 MrCurious challenger 4p
00:40 MrCurious compu-color
00:40 MrCurious whoa... flashback
00:55 MrCurious what flashback would be complete without passing around a sharp? PC-100
08:43 chris_99 has anyone used ultrasound transducers for distance measurement?
08:55 Pinkishu hey there, whats a good way to start getting into robotics? wondered if lego mindstorms is any good as a "beginners kit" (even if not a kid)
09:02 rue_house Pinkishu,
09:03 rue_house start with programming, then move to electronics, then attack mechanics
09:03 rue_house you can start with programming right on your computer
09:04 rue_house C is the goal, you can start with something like BASIC or python to ease you into it
09:12 Pinkishu i'm fine with programming
09:14 rue_house with C?
09:14 Pinkishu well didnt use C much yet but it shouldn't be hard to learn; harder to master of course, but..
09:14 rue_house C isn't too bad
09:15 rue_house after your good with C, probably get an arduino with some leds, program that for a bit, then get and program some hobby servos
09:15 Pinkishu i used C# and Java but also did some basic C++; so C shouldn't be too far off, except that afaik it doesn't have class-stuff
09:16 rue_house yes, you want to keep everything direct and to the point on microcontrollers, as they have limited resources
09:16 Pinkishu ^^ hmm so mindstorms isnt very good i assume?
09:17 rue_house mindstorms helps with the hardest part, mechanics, but it does it in a way that isn't much use for more advanced stuff
09:17 rue_house and it wont give you as much in the program-ability as, say an arduino
09:21 Pinkishu not sure what that was..
09:21 Pinkishu did you get my last message?
09:21 rue_house <Pinkishu> ^^ hmm so mindstorms isnt very good i assume?
09:21 rue_house <rue_house> mindstorms helps with the hardest part, mechanics, but it does it in a way that isn't much use for more advanced stuff
09:21 rue_house <rue_house> and it wont give you as much in the program-ability as, say an arduino
09:21 rue_house <Pinkishu> not sure what that was..
09:21 rue_house <Pinkishu> did you get my last message?
09:23 Pinkishu hm yeah, well just liked the idea of having a pack that has all the necessary parts where i can try around a bit without having to worry too much about screwing something up; havent seen any other robotics-packs around either
09:24 rue_house programming -> electronics -> mechanics
09:24 rue_house that is a succesfull order, give yourself a few years of timeframe to just play
09:25 rue_house an arduino should be about $20, there are a billion projects on the web you can do with them
09:26 Pinkishu i think electronics is the part i'm least comfortable with heh
09:26 Pinkishu hm is there a lot of soldering done in this stuff or is there more "plugging"?
09:26 rue_house get an arduino and work on programming it
09:26 rue_house you can start mostly plugging
09:27 rue_house once you have programming happening for an arduino, you can start controlling things
09:40 Pinkishu hmm ya will look into that, thanks
10:24 DagoRed .weather 18018
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12:38 MrCurious of all songs, this one sticks in my head.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TV_128Fz2g
13:14 MrCurious http://s3.media.squarespace.com/production/2129687/19317774/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef017eeaa3cf6e970d-800wi
13:36 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: why do they keep calling the silencer a "firearm" are the laws that retarded in the US? http://www.hpasports.com/pages/silencer_policy
13:37 GuShH_Lap a silencer cannot constitute a firearm whatsoever, there's no loading mechanism, no barrel, no chamber, no firing pin, no triggering device... so what the fuck?
13:37 GuShH_Lap do they bend words that much over there just to stick it up someone's ass?
13:39 GuShH_Lap The whole trial was a wild goosechase anyway, you could argue an empty coke bottle could be a device "capable" of becoming a silencer as well, if you had the "skills"
13:39 GuShH_Lap what kind of bullshit is this anyway
13:40 GuShH_Lap "We conclude, however, that the statute by its terms requires something more than a potential for adaptation and knowledge of it." Why even mention it, to twist things around if it's irrelevant you wouldn't talk about it to begin with.
13:40 GuShH_Lap "the government urges" and it's raging boner against freedom.
13:42 GuShH_Lap most air guns supressors are made out of delrin or similar materials, the baffles usually are held apart with springs and best case scenario they use washers instead of delrin baffles... an oil filter can is much, much better and simpler to adapt than an air supressor.
13:42 GuShH_Lap THEY EVEN SELL SAID ADAPTER IN MOST STATES.
13:45 MrCurious a silencer enables a traditional un-regulated fire arm to become a stealth weapon of no good
13:45 MrCurious unless you want to play marine sniper and wipe out entire flocks of ducks using only a 9mm hand gun
13:46 GuShH_Lap huh?
13:46 MrCurious which i suspect only 0.000000000000000001 % of silencer purchasers do
13:46 MrCurious silencers are for the most part strictly for use on people
13:46 GuShH_Lap you can even file to make your own silencer in some states
13:46 MrCurious re: your rant from 4 minutes ago
13:46 GuShH_Lap these cases are full of bullshit.
13:46 MrCurious we love our guns here
13:47 GuShH_Lap he had priors, they found a package with an air gun and an air gun supressor, they prosecuted
13:47 MrCurious and we love to act al surprised when mass shootings happen
13:47 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: you love to pretend you have freedom
13:47 MrCurious i am kind of happy that the govt filters out the GRIEFERS from the game...
13:48 GuShH_Lap you can silence just about any firearm except for most revolvers which are open chamber (very few were closed chamber) ... and you can do so with a few household materials.
13:48 GuShH_Lap likewise you can make quite a few dangerous explosives with also household materials....
13:48 MrCurious you sound most dangerous. i imagine your country is watching you closely, especially now you have a lathe for mas producing silencers for the argentinian maffia
13:49 GuShH_Lap does it mean you are a terrorist?
13:49 MrCurious thin line between a terrorist and a toiletist
13:49 GuShH_Lap I've already made one for my rifle.
13:49 GuShH_Lap What's a toiletist?
13:49 MrCurious someone who enjoys a pristine porceline throne upon which to do their business
13:49 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: Now the neighbours are not complaining about the "loud noises"
13:49 GuShH_Lap win win.
13:50 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: it sounds like they would enjoy the best of toilets not just any toilet
13:50 MrCurious or if you think in the future a bit further... neighbors unaware of rapidly flying metal projectiles, roaming across the shooting range
13:50 GuShH_Lap that's their issue
13:50 MrCurious the boom is meant to let people know to duck and cover because there is an armed asshole afoot
13:51 GuShH_Lap they want it quiet
13:51 MrCurious whats the penalty for negligent homocide in argentina
13:51 GuShH_Lap and we're still talking PCP not firearms in this case.
13:51 GuShH_Lap I can do whatever the flying dick I please with them toys, you don't need a license.
13:51 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: Is there any?
13:52 MrCurious well then, up your game and make a sienced gatling gun that reins curtians of silent flaming death using only tracer rounds...
13:52 GuShH_Lap I thought you could murder, rape and sodomise people around here without any consequences as long as you do what the cops tell you to do.
13:52 MrCurious then as soon as you do that... may as well convert it into a phalanx
13:52 MrCurious perfect for gopher cocntrol
13:52 GuShH_Lap likewise you can steal from everyone and not have a single worry in the world.
13:53 GuShH_Lap look at our president... or the politicians around her.
13:53 GuShH_Lap prime example.
13:53 MrCurious soulds like civilization hasn't fuly reached you yet
13:53 GuShH_Lap tracers, that's still firearm territory and those rounds are restricted here.
13:53 GuShH_Lap a civilian has no use for a tracer round they claim
13:54 MrCurious tracers seem awefully damn useful for the fool getting shot at....
13:54 GuShH_Lap anything over 22 cal is "not for civilian use" or "conditional civilian use"
13:54 MrCurious sounds like flachette guns are legal there?
13:54 GuShH_Lap they are
13:54 MrCurious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needlegun
13:54 GuShH_Lap you could put some horse trank on those if you wanted.
13:54 GuShH_Lap shooting them at someone however might not be entirely legal
13:54 MrCurious think they are geneva banned
13:55 GuShH_Lap flechettes can be projectiles for many types of guns though
13:55 MrCurious as they turn a persons insidess into worm wood
13:55 MrCurious and are super F'in letha
13:55 GuShH_Lap they even make shotgun shells with flechettes
13:55 GuShH_Lap which is insane.
13:55 MrCurious evil devices
13:55 MrCurious no shit?
13:55 GuShH_Lap they don't have to be poisonous
13:56 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: I've been thinking about getting a big caliber non lethal rifle... rubber bullets
13:56 GuShH_Lap put 10 of those in some dipshit trying to steal from you, don't have to worry about explaining bullet holes to the cops, they just leave bruises.
13:56 MrCurious in america weapons of mass destruction are defined using projectile size
13:57 GuShH_Lap unless you hit them in the eye, in which case bye bye eye.
13:57 MrCurious downside.... potato guns have a bore large enough to be classified a weapon of mas destruction
13:57 MrCurious and carry hefty prison terms
13:57 GuShH_Lap http://gunshowgoods.com/zencart/images/web.12.ga.1.inch.flechette.b_1.JPG
13:58 MrCurious thats too evil
13:58 GuShH_Lap "developed to off the indians with their own medicine"
13:58 MrCurious upside, at least they are not needles made of super cooled co2
13:58 GuShH_Lap that would be my marketing line for it.
13:59 GuShH_Lap well these rubber pellet guns are CO2 powered, much like paintball guns are except the rubber ones have more muzzle energy
13:59 MrCurious handguns are fun to shoot at ranges.... but wont have one in my house... too easy to kill family with them on accident
14:00 MrCurious i prefer big swords
14:00 GuShH_Lap same stuff the cops use around here, except a lot of them are still using powder based systems... which has proven dangerous with the ocassional "mix up" with real lead.
14:00 GuShH_Lap accident?
14:00 MrCurious tazers man, tazers are where its at
14:00 MrCurious shockingly effective
14:01 GuShH_Lap you'll get your ass shot first.
14:01 GuShH_Lap but first they'll laugh at your ass.
14:01 GuShH_Lap THEN they'll shoot your ass, and keep laughing.
14:01 MrCurious stream of consciousness...... cats trained for agression, fitted with ninja suits that put taser eectrodes on all paws
14:01 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: these rubber projectiles are... gasp... 70 cal
14:02 GuShH_Lap I think 42J out of the muzzle
14:02 MrCurious taser-ninja-kittys totally mike myers dr evil material
14:02 GuShH_Lap pump action ... 19 in the chamber for the biggest model
14:03 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: instead of tasing once or twice you can have 19 very strong shots that will bruise the heck out of anyone and if you hit them in the lungs or kidneys, they'll be out cold on the floor.
14:04 GuShH_Lap the alternative in the US is a regular shotgun with rock-salt rounds
14:04 GuShH_Lap except that requires papers.
14:05 GuShH_Lap I'm thinking less-lethal, otherwise I wouldn't argue with the effectiveness of lead.
14:05 MrCurious i am not being serious any more, i have shifted to move it more towards the comedic-ludicrous direction
14:05 MrCurious sorry i didnt call out the change
14:05 GuShH_Lap Notice I don't say "non lethal" as just about anything is lethal given the right combination.
14:05 ShH_Lap bl
14:05 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: So you've got a taser?
14:06 MrCurious i imagine 5 ninja-taser-cats would be lethal
14:06 GuShH_Lap what have you got...
14:06 GuShH_Lap I don't believe in accidental shootings of family members.
14:06 MrCurious could even enhance their agression using catnip infusers
14:06 GuShH_Lap If you "accidentally" shot a family member, it means you didn't call out first
14:07 GuShH_Lap I can't find catnip in Argentina
14:07 MrCurious sometimes family members come out of shadows not expecting the kitchen to be a combat zone
14:07 GuShH_Lap Even if you are not part of the force you have to identify yourself and let them know your stance.... you don't just shoot when a branch moves.
14:08 MrCurious when we first got our fridge, it had me patrolling house blades in hand
14:08 GuShH_Lap specially if you don't see a weapon on the other end
14:08 MrCurious until i learned that the ice maker was the culprit of the sudden noises
14:08 ShH_Lap facep
14:09 GuShH_Lap I'm OK with blades, but much better with anything that throws anything against anything.
14:09 MrCurious i guess we live with less fear in america than you do
14:09 MrCurious you fear everyone
14:09 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: I'd like to invest on the less lethal option ... and see if i can catch whoever broke in the house for the third time
14:09 GuShH_Lap we do?
14:10 GuShH_Lap why do you all have guns under your matress and pillow then?
14:10 GuShH_Lap loaded and with the safety off
14:10 MrCurious so uhm add bar to the windows, weaken the front door
14:10 GuShH_Lap you guys live in constant fear you don't really have freedom...
14:10 MrCurious lock
14:10 MrCurious and add in a stealth deadbolt
14:10 GuShH_Lap they took the bars out
14:10 MrCurious morons go in, but they cant get out
14:10 GuShH_Lap and kept coming in by the windows
14:10 MrCurious clean them up wweekly
14:10 MrCurious pay MORE for the bars
14:11 GuShH_Lap no steel is a match to an angle grinder
14:11 MrCurious or brick up the windows :)
14:11 GuShH_Lap and they've got all the time of the world to bust in
14:11 MrCurious hook them up to the mains?
14:11 GuShH_Lap I just plan to go more frequently and shoot their ass.
14:11 GuShH_Lap that's illegal plus I got rid of the meter so they wouldn't use it
14:11 MrCurious can you shoot someone inside your home when you arrive and discover them
14:12 GuShH_Lap if it's a non lethal weapon you can
14:12 GuShH_Lap they could press charges though
14:12 MrCurious so you need to cultivate a friendship with a cop in the area
14:12 MrCurious invite him over for drinks after some pub action
14:12 MrCurious and let HIM do what needs doing
14:12 GuShH_Lap so I would threaten them by keeping their IDs, knowing where they live... they might not want to keep fooling with me. I'd be tempted to break into their places, wreck and gut their shit, see how they feel about it.
14:13 MrCurious sell the house...
14:13 GuShH_Lap cops might be involved, no matter how nice and how many "donuts" I buy them nothing ever happens
14:13 MrCurious that house is your jailor. it is turning the man into the monster
14:13 GuShH_Lap I need to catch them, I will eventually.
14:13 MrCurious it is poison for you man
14:14 GuShH_Lap they are the poison
14:14 GuShH_Lap I can't even rent it now, they took everything.
14:14 GuShH_Lap and because of that the value went down, they even removed the toilets... THE TOILETS.
14:15 GuShH_Lap no monster, just common sense. if I see them, I will make them pay.
14:15 MrCurious so now a few bad apples have generalized your contempt and hate for all brown people?
14:15 GuShH_Lap I got a lead.
14:15 GuShH_Lap they are not brown!
14:15 GuShH_Lap the lead in fact is a white guy
14:15 GuShH_Lap mid 30s
14:15 MrCurious demolish the house
14:15 GuShH_Lap the brownies were just wetbacks he hired.
14:15 GuShH_Lap with everyone of them inside?
14:16 MrCurious no you fool
14:16 MrCurious to put an end to your torment
14:16 GuShH_Lap I won't loose it all to them, I'll make them disappear first if that's what it takes.
14:16 GuShH_Lap nobody sets an example around here, they are free to roam about and take what's yours.
14:17 GuShH_Lap I say beat them down, zip tie them and make them crawl in front of everyone begging for mercy.
14:18 MrCurious i see you have started on the path to the dark side
14:18 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: they like to call themselves a "mafia" because they are organized in that way, they take homes and pretend it's theirs, they rent the places, make as much profit as they can while it lasts.
14:18 GuShH_Lap maybe I was born on said path?
14:19 MrCurious you are aware that once you meet your eventual fate andd enter teh PENILE system, your romantic options will change drastically
14:19 GuShH_Lap who says I will enter teh PENILE system
14:19 GuShH_Lap everything I said could happen in a bar fight
14:19 GuShH_Lap and quite often nobody ends up in prison for that, unless someone dies.
14:20 GuShH_Lap jail is different...
14:20 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: plus anything I say won't happen exactly as I say it, because that would be foolish.
14:21 GuShH_Lap For instance it would be premeditated / deliberate from me.
14:22 GuShH_Lap How do you prove or disprove hypothetical cases? Does the law function in an unreal fantasy world?
14:22 GuShH_Lap well actually it seems to.
14:22 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: I'd be worried about what others DONT tell you.
14:24 GuShH_Lap Go your grubmint anyone on IRC is a tewowist anyway.
14:25 GuShH_Lap 5:10PM no delivery... sigh, why did I pay for fast shipping?
14:27 GuShH_Lap finished the valve head for another one of those collectible toys (see the aluminum top, the rest was recycled from the original) http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn4781f.jpg
14:27 GuShH_Lap 1.25mm pitch threads, they cut alright on the lathe but I suspect I should be using HSS tooling for this
14:28 GuShH_Lap I couldn't cut the o-ring groove with the specific tool for o-rings because I kept getting too much chatter, I think the clearance angles are off on the tool...
14:28 GuShH_Lap So I did what every non machinist does... used the parting blade.
14:29 GuShH_Lap two o-rings, one you can't see it's inside the female portion.
14:33 Curious waits patiently for his lapdocl 100 for
14:34 MrCurious free shipping
14:35 GuShH_Lap I bought a girly item
14:35 MrCurious oh, well, there is a real shocker...
14:35 MrCurious is it for wearing out, or just for around the house?
14:35 GuShH_Lap the latter
14:42 GuShH_Lap MrCurious: a sewing machine...
14:43 GuShH_Lap I think at this time nobody is working anymore they're just fooling around due to xmas
14:43 GuShH_Lap hence no deliveries for me.
15:22 MrCurious https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1497456_10152112809264656_680165602_n.jpg
23:54 MrCurious got my lapdock 100, and promptly broke it
23:57 MrCurious guess now i learn how hard it is to replacec a micro-hdmi cable
23:59 MrCurious 19 pins only