#robotics Logs

Nov 30 2013

02:16 Mr_Sheesh ???
02:16 rue_house Mr_curious, sorry, too many mr_ in here
04:33 GuShH rue_house: people use them to connect the stepprs on homemade CNCs
04:34 GuShH of course I would get bigger ones with more pins
04:34 GuShH so I could run stop switches and other things off of them, me being me.
04:35 GuShH actually the 5 pin ones cost a few cents more than the 4 pin
04:35 GuShH not sure about 8, 12 pin
04:35 GuShH 6 pin... http://www.ebay.com/itm/5x-Aviation-Plug-6-Pin-16mm-GX16-6-Metal-Connector-Withstand-Voltage-5A/261339782700?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18776%26meid%3D3064778604870357114%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D8532%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D271213596797%26
04:36 GuShH I guess you'd have to look at GX20 or bigger for more pins
04:36 GuShH the number is just the diameter in mm
04:36 GuShH I believe
11:14 rue_house GuShH, multiple connectors per mtoor?
11:23 GuShH rue_house: don't like the idea
11:24 GuShH "one connector per winding" sounds overly complicated, something a wannabe engineer would do.
11:32 binary_glitch Greetings robotics aficionados.
11:33 Casper GuShH: that or a sony engineer
11:34 Casper ex of sony's engineer finess: on a laptop, they screwed the hd under the mainboard
11:34 Casper meaning that the removal of the hd require a complete dissassembly
11:34 Tom_itx as it should :D
11:34 Casper and if you open the bottom access door, you see 3 corners of the hd throught a plastic perforated plate
11:35 rue_house Casper, same with the cmos battery?
11:35 Casper the last corner fall between the holes, so you don't see that one...
11:35 Casper in other words, if they would just have cut the plastic, which serve zero purpose, you would have access to the hd
11:36 Casper rue_house: the cmos battery atleast ain't expected to fail within a normal laptop life
11:36 Casper the hd is expected to...
11:37 GuShH lol
11:37 GuShH it's one of those "not meant to be serviced" designs
11:37 GuShH after all Sony is the king of planned obsolesence, at least with their smaller devices
11:37 binary_glitch I have given myself a challenge, and was wondering if any of you would care to feed me ideas I can use to make the plans before I begin realizing the end.
11:38 Casper but the newer model seems to be ok now
11:38 binary_glitch The challenge: design and build a home automations system with out spending a penny, nor permanently altering the dwelling.
11:38 GuShH But it's not as annoying as that new game platform where they sell you physical figurines of the characters, so without them you can't unlock the chars.
11:38 Casper I think their repair center got pissed at that engineer :D
11:38 binary_glitch is this a good channel to be in for this?
11:38 GuShH yey more shit to buy and keep around, yey.
11:38 GuShH binary_glitch: get some mexican midgets
11:38 binary_glitch lol
11:38 GuShH free, portable, you can deploy them anywhere in your house to automate.
11:39 ShH bl
11:39 GuShH I have my doubts about this setup http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn4562f.jpg
11:39 GuShH first of all why is it knurled?
11:40 GuShH do people actually use these bits BY HAND?
11:40 binary_glitch I was thinking of maybe building something that fixes to the wall and flips light switches by it's self, maybe out of a few old printers and start there...
11:40 Casper binary_glitch: I hiughtly doubt that you can do that, even with access to about everything you want... you will atleast need some wires...
11:40 GuShH old monitors will get you relays
11:40 rue_house ITS KNURRLED FOR IMPROVED TORQUE!!!!
11:40 rue_house RRRRRRRRRRRRR
11:41 GuShH rue_house: lol, I might turn it down...
11:41 GuShH I need it as a shank for the 16MM chuck on the lathe
11:41 binary_glitch I have wite, lots of cat 5 and a broken wifi printer that I can use too.
11:41 rue_house the trick is to have your finger bear perfectly on the end while applying maximum rotary torque to the sideS!
11:41 binary_glitch *wire not wite lol
11:41 GuShH rue_house: nah this is going on the lathe, I would snap it if I did it by hand
11:42 rue_house MORE POWER! snap it on the lathe LIKE A MAN!
11:42 GuShH any tips aside from "go as slow as slow can be" ?
11:42 GuShH no, slow speed... even though on tiny bits you typically go high
11:42 GuShH But I'm not sure what happens under 1mm, I have no experience with these
11:42 rue_house I have a #80 carbide
11:42 rue_house that I used for my reprap head
11:42 GuShH the smaller one there is 0.40mm
11:42 binary_glitch I have some crt's... could get relays form them to step things up...
11:43 GuShH rue_house: that's what they're for sir. and a 0.50mm too
11:43 rue_house I snapped 2 making it, its brass
11:43 GuShH it's actually 0.48 ...
11:43 rue_house and I used the cnc machine
11:43 binary_glitch would love to find something with an actuator...
11:43 rue_house the STEPPER cnc machine to got REALLY slow in,
11:43 GuShH I'll center drill just a tiny bit first
11:43 rue_house I snapped 2 bits
11:43 GuShH rue_house: they are not cheap, considering their size
11:43 GuShH I wanted the 3mm shanked ones but those are "imported"
11:43 GuShH ...
11:43 rue_house I have a box of 100, want some?
11:44 rue_house #80 is almost useless to me
11:44 rue_house and its not worth anything on ebay
11:45 GuShh_ it's not a lot of brass to go through since I plan to center drill just a tiny bit on the end, and bore the inside with a 3mm drill until there's about 1 or 2mm left of material
11:45 GuShh_ sigh, router acting up or freenode being silly? :p
11:46 GuShh_ rue_house: did you solve your headstock issues?
11:46 rue_house headstock?
11:46 GuShh_ I've been getting my lathe dialed in pretty good, but I still got work to do on it
11:46 GuShh_ tailstock sorry
11:46 GuShh_ you had alignment issues
11:46 rue_house nope
11:46 rue_house I have to address my table first
11:46 binary_glitch with limited c++ skills I'm unsure how much control I can get on motors via my computer.... hmmm also hoped to make a web based interfase and maybe use php to invoke c++ applets to control the verious devices ...
11:46 GuShh_ the stand?
11:46 GuShh_ so you finally admit the bed is flexing!
11:47 rue_house no, the table moves around on the uneven floor
11:47 GuShh_ I invested on thick steel for the stand knowing full well the bed could flex otherwise :/
11:47 GuShh_ my floor is uneven, but there's no flexing on the stand and I also used rubber mats underneath
11:47 rue_house I ahve to bolt it down, any lathe table has to be
11:47 GuShh_ it self leveled pretty well for now
11:47 GuShh_ yeah pretty much
11:47 rue_house but I ahve heating pipe int he slab, so I cant just drill it in
11:47 GuShh_ I got the "feet" and the holes all drilled for that
11:48 GuShh_ again, planned for future improvement
11:48 GuShh_ it was a lot of work compared to the rest of the build, drilling those holes that is...
11:48 rue_house yea, I was gonna have brackets for bolting mine down, as well as the adjustable feet for bolting it up
11:49 GuShh_ 12mm or bigger, I forgot. Began with 3mm and went up from there, then chamfered the holes
11:49 GuShh_ lower holes are slightly bigger for some jiggle room, since I didn't get them perfectly aligned
11:51 binary_glitch I'm re-thinking the whole idea of having a large robot stretched all over the house with bulky parts hanging on the walls in various places, in liking of the idea of building a robot that is a single unit who can perform tasks like turning on and off lights, and opening doors etc... hmmm
11:52 GuShh_ rue_house: I'll make the adjustable feet myself
11:52 rue_shop2 I did too
11:52 GuShh_ can't afford to buy them... only one company is manufacturing these and they have ... well.... industrial / professional / ELITE prices...
11:52 GuShh_ more like 1337 prices.
11:53 rue_shop2 http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040770.jpg
11:53 rue_shop2 I was gonna clean the bottoms off and put a lock screw in
11:53 GuShh_ rue_shop2: that's even cheaper than what I had in mind :p
11:53 rue_shop2 bolt, nut, washer
11:53 GuShh_ I plan to replicate the commercial ones
11:53 GuShh_ M18?
11:53 GuShh_ or bigger
11:54 GuShh_ can't tell scale
11:54 rue_shop2 imperial
11:54 GuShh_ ah
11:54 GuShh_ I just bought some M16 grade 10 or something
11:54 rue_shop2 I think its 1"
11:54 GuShh_ I asked for 8 but it says 10.x (forgot the other value)
11:54 rue_shop2 its just grade 5
11:54 GuShh_ no but I got these to turn a tap
11:54 GuShh_ no standard size was found (remember?)
11:54 rue_shop2 right
11:55 GuShh_ I went to the only place that carries almost every tap you can imagine (short of machining the ones they don't have)
11:55 GuShh_ we fooled around with the metrics, it's imperial like I said it was (26tpi) but it's not 1/2" it's smaller
11:55 binary_glitch so for a home automation bot, would you guys with experience in robotics suggest an all-over-the-walls stationary unit, or a free-roaming unit?
11:55 GuShh_ and thus, a standard tap doesn't exist.
11:55 GuShh_ I'll just turn the M16 bolt threads off, bring the diameter down to spec and cut the thread, then cut the slits
11:55 GuShh_ can't be arsed with this anymore.
11:55 rue_shop2 ok I have a bunch of robotics people comming to play, I have to get organized
11:55 GuShh_ bbl
11:56 GuShh_ oh yey a tea party
12:00 binary_glitch testing ... I have no activity... my internet connection is good... hmmm did everyone really just stop chatting all at once??
12:02 rue_shop2 ssh, were playing a prank on binary_glitch
12:02 rue_shop2 DOH
12:07 GuShh_ lol
12:07 GuShh_ I went outside for a sec to check out the wood a neighbour threw away
12:08 GuShh_ but it's mostly junk with nails stuck through, meh
12:08 GuShh_ sometimes you find good stuff they just throw away since they don't know what it is
12:08 binary_glitch lol I went afk to clean my kitchen floor as I figured out that my irc-client was working and so was my internet, thus ppl really wernt talking for what ever reason...
12:08 GuShh_ known as "found wood" between wood turners :p
12:08 GuShh_ we were also doing stuff!
12:09 GuShh_ I'll upgrade my phone this week.... then you'll have more of me.
12:09 GuShh_ I can IRC right now with the current phone but it's not enjoyable
12:09 binary_glitch yeah I get it, that's why I went off and did stuff... I also like wood working, and often score some beautiful found wood
12:09 GuShh_ yey someone who gets the concept
12:10 GuShh_ and doesn't think "this guy must be a poor soul"
12:10 GuShh_ I also try turning whatever I cut from the trees I have at home
12:10 Shh_ has yet to turn pens th
12:10 binary_glitch just last week found an octagon oak table base with really nice pieces of oak I salvaged...
12:10 GuShh_ haven't found any local kit suppliers, might just turn the parts on the metal lathe myself
12:11 GuShh_ white oak? (american oak)
12:11 GuShh_ I got a massive american oak so I often score some usable wood after pruning
12:11 GuShh_ turns nice when wet
12:11 GuShh_ very nice.
12:11 binary_glitch red
12:11 GuShh_ even better
12:11 GuShh_ I think my other oak is red but I haven't messed around with it yet
12:12 GuShh_ it's way different to the other one
12:12 GuShh_ ....stumbled upon a 2 meter long rooth from a red oak they chopped down a couple towns from here, massive old tree .... if only I owned a semi truck.
12:13 GuShh_ and a crane.
12:13 GuShh_ I'm still not insane enough to walk around with a chainsaw.
12:13 binary_glitch I carved, correction, am carving a riser for a recurve bow (left handed) out of two of the slats.
12:14 binary_glitch drive up to it with a chainsaw lol cut off a hunk and put in in the trunk... swhat I'd do.
12:15 GuShh_ heh I'm left handed, but in reality it turns out I'm ambidextrous... it helps reloading a bolt action rifle very fast though.
12:15 GuShh_ righties hate me for that.
12:15 GuShh_ binary_glitch: if you use lefty scissors then there's no doubt about it
12:16 GuShh_ I can't use my left hand for scissors, I can't write with my right hand either.
12:17 binary_glitch lol, I'm a righty, but I shoot bow lefty, cuz I didn't know the right way to hold it when I started, and I shot for too long the wrong way, so now I just use a left handed bow and I shoot much better now... lol
12:18 binary_glitch I can use lefty scissors though, my mum's a south-paw... I use a left-handed tin-opener too.
12:19 binary_glitch sorry *mom and can-opener... I try to speak in American
12:19 GuShh_ o.o
12:19 GuShh_ lol
12:20 GuShh_ it's ok I have no issues with can openers.
12:20 GuShh_ I just can't write with my right hand, well I can but nobody can understand it
12:20 GuShh_ stupid brain gets wired one way and it's that way or no way unless you really put some effort into changing it
12:23 binary_glitch I'm a nerd/geek whatever you want to call it, I got obsessed with England English when I was younger, and thus now much like spanglish, I speak a mix of English and American (as to distinguish between dialects of the English language) I feel it just makes me seem wierd and childish now, but some of it has become habit...
12:25 GuShh_ binary_glitch: but is English your native tongue?
12:29 binary_glitch I don't emulate the accent anymore, just the word choice... and English (the language, in the American dialect) was one of three languages I grew up with in the house hold .... My dad is an American caucasian, and my mom's a Mexican American, and my sisters deaf, so at home we speak espangles while signing (ASL mixed with something in the nature of charades when we don't know the sign for something)
12:34 binary_glitch and for those worried about confusing there children with teaching them more than one language, don't be, me and my three hearing siblings never had a problem distinguishing between the languages by the time it mattered, sing was the language you speak with your body, English was at school, and Spanish was all the words used at home, but never at school... and I learned that without even trying or realizing it until later.
12:42 GuShh_ binary_glitch: Entonces algo de Espa�ol debes hablar :p
12:43 GuShh_ Resulta que es mi lenguaje nativo, aunque casi siempre estoy hablando en Ingl�s...
12:44 GuShh_ Ser biling�e es importante, mientras m�s idiomas sepas, mejor... Me falta aprender Italiano y Portuguese, tal vez Aleman alg�n d�a... El Japon�s me interesa, pero lo veo muy complicado.
12:44 GuShh_ Eh... Portugu�s.
12:45 m_itx slaps GuShh_ with a russian s
12:45 GuShh_ Tom_itx: No, I don't plan to learn Russian any time soon
12:45 GuShh_ I'd have to be drunk 24/7 to begin with
12:45 Tom_itx probably easier than chinese
12:45 GuShh_ Hrmm
12:46 GuShh_ I don't even know the "rules" behind Russian
12:46 GuShh_ "THERE ARE NO RULES!"
12:46 Tom_itx marry fat russian women and carry big sticks
12:46 GuShh_ Why do jeans come all scratched up and shit now?
12:46 GuShh_ I can do that on my own, why are you charging me more for them?
12:47 GuShh_ WHO THE HELL CAME UP WITH THIS CONCEPT
12:47 GuShh_ they have massive tears across, and it costs more?
12:47 Tom_itx they must create a new trend so the trendy will shop
12:47 GuShh_ I kinda like some of them...
12:47 Shh_ h
12:48 GuShh_ Until recently I only weared regular jeans... now I'm into the acid and rusty ones, go figure. And I'm not the trendy type whatsoever.
12:48 GuShh_ they have different "cuts" so they feel different that's all
12:48 Tom_itx wore*
12:48 GuShh_ thanks
12:48 GuShh_ now that I read it, seems obvious.
12:49 GuShh_ Let's also state German in Spanish is actually Alem�n, not Aleman.
12:50 binary_glitch sorry bout the monologue/tangent, didn't come here to tell my life story, but rather to brainstoorm, and learn about robotics... lol
12:50 GuShh_ The media got all hyped up over a German tourist who got robbed and then became lost, wandered off into a - you've guessed it - German themed restaurant, where they sheltered him for a while.
12:51 GuShh_ When the cameras got to him, he became upset... didn't want them to show his face on camera.
12:51 GuShh_ Seems odd.
12:51 binary_glitch So.... for a home automation robot, would you guys with experience in robotics suggest an all-over-the-walls stationary unit, or a free-roaming unit?
12:52 GuShh_ both
12:52 GuShh_ but I'm not into robotics.
12:52 binary_glitch Than why login to this channel?
12:52 GuShh_ you'll need "all over the walls" functionality anyway
12:53 GuShh_ binary_glitch: so people like you may ask me why!
12:53 binary_glitch and a multi-approach... hmmm the idea may have merit...
12:53 GuShh_ I like functional robotics, I don't like "look it walks like a spider" robotics.
12:54 Shh_ appreciates the challenges behind it all, but can't find a use for those
12:54 GuShh_ Maybe it could follow you around with a beer on it's body.
12:54 GuShh_ Or an entire cooler full of beers.
12:54 binary_glitch lol sounds nice
12:54 binary_glitch but then why have a GF ??
12:55 GuShh_ some people like the challenge.
12:55 GuShh_ And also throwing away most of their income
12:55 GuShh_ Yes I am talking about girlfriends.
12:55 binary_glitch of building a robot, or maintaining a gf?
12:55 GuShh_ I've been told my ideal woman would be a dude wearing a wig, because I don't like dumb blondes...
12:56 GuShh_ assholes.
12:56 GuShh_ Is it so hard to find someone smart enough not to worry all day long about their hair, makeup, clothes...
12:57 GuShh_ Then again you wouldn't want a massive tank for a girlfriend, unless you're into that?
12:57 GuShh_ MrCurious: halp
12:57 MrCurious ?
12:57 GuShh_ managed to turn the topic into "your ideal woman" and it's going bad.
12:58 binary_glitch why would I need a wall mounted unit if I had a unit that could travel throughout the house, and operate doors and flip switches, open blinds and GDO's, etc...?
12:58 GuShh_ because if that roaming unit dies, your system becomes unusable
12:58 MrCurious i say if you can find someone who can tolerate you... shoult SOLD!
12:58 GuShh_ here's a cheaper alternative
12:58 GuShh_ use your cellphones and tablets to interface
12:58 binary_glitch GDO = Garage Door Opener
12:58 GuShh_ forget about sitcom bullshit robots
12:59 GuShh_ MrCurious: me specifically, me?
12:59 GuShh_ it's the other way around, I can't tolerate them.
12:59 GuShh_ dumb bitches.
12:59 MrCurious specifically... you
12:59 GuShh_ not me.
13:00 GuShh_ Oh, no aluminum washers with the specs I need...
13:00 GuShh_ they carry 1 inch alu washers, but they're rather thin (for seals)
13:00 Shh_ should've got some an
13:01 GuShh_ bah, better get changed and get workin' on the custom tap
13:01 GuShh_ we'll see how well the steel from these massive bolts turns
13:03 MrCurious GuShh_: why dont you have a cnc. it seems like a cnc is something you would groove to
13:05 GargantuaSauce why wouldnt i want a massive tank for a girlfriend
13:05 GargantuaSauce like a t34? oh baby
13:05 binary_glitch that does bring up a necessary point, power supply, maybe a corded/teathered unit would work... it must be incapable of taring at it's own cord, or made aware of it's cord, or a unit could be made to be aware of it's power needs and have a protocall to recharge it's self under a given condition, ie if robo reaches the point that it can go twice the distance needed to reach it's charging station, && can go no further with it's cur
13:05 binary_glitch rent amount of charge left, than robo must return to charger, and report to interface it's current state.
13:07 GargantuaSauce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXK5iD_ELs related
13:07 binary_glitch also good factors to consider are energy usage and efficiency.
13:10 binary_glitch Russian anime?
13:10 GargantuaSauce just russian characters
13:11 binary_glitch interesting to say the least lol
13:12 GuShh_ MrCurious: eventually, wait a cnc what?
13:12 GuShh_ a cnc woman?
13:12 GuShh_ that would simplify things
13:12 MrCurious seems like you could use a cnc
13:12 GargantuaSauce what's the gcode for make me a sandwich
13:12 GuShh_ a cnc WHAT
13:12 GuShh_ mill? yes
13:12 GuShh_ lathe? eventually I'll convert.
13:13 binary_glitch GargantuaSauce, what do you think about building a Home Automation Robot form scrap like wifi printers etc... mobile unit, or stationary unit mounted around blinds, light switches, doors, etc or a combination ??
13:13 GuShh_ coupling the leadscrew is not hard, almost trivial. the rest in theory is trivial, but doing it right isn't. you can hack it, or do it properly. I'll keep looking at other's conversions and pick what seems best from each one.
13:14 GuShh_ and I need to start with a 3 phase motor + vfd anyway
13:14 GuShh_ I just haven't figured out the equivalent body size for the motor
13:14 GargantuaSauce binary_glitch: a wirelessly controlled mechanism for flicking a light switch sounds pretty damn silly
13:14 GargantuaSauce we have these amazing things called triacs these days...
13:14 binary_glitch and excuse my ignorance but what's cnc?
13:15 GuShh_ 1HP also seems too small, given at low RPMs through the VFD I'll get very little power compared to the current belt / pulley system
13:15 MrCurious kind of sandwich
13:15 MrCurious or a deviec for subtractive manufature
13:15 GuShh_ GargantuaSauce: I don't like triacs... I tend to like SSRs more, but I also dislike them, naturally.
13:15 MrCurious best not to youtube earch 5 xis cnc
13:15 GargantuaSauce well okay RELAYS then
13:15 MrCurious or you will fall in lust and NEED one
13:15 GargantuaSauce still more sane than using a motor to flick a lightswitch
13:15 GuShh_ lol
13:16 GuShh_ that's rue's way
13:16 Shh_ h
13:16 binary_glitch @ GargantuaSauce, it would ideally be contorted via the web if that makes it sound cooler, but it's mostly about the challenge...
13:16 GuShh_ I got confirmation on my aluminum / brass order.... but no delivery
13:16 GuShh_ wheres mah shit?
13:16 MrCurious binary_glitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf7ucg-w5MQ
13:16 GargantuaSauce i wouldn't give every device a full tcpip stack
13:17 GargantuaSauce i'd build a home mesh network using nrf24l01 or similar
13:17 GargantuaSauce and have a central device connected to the ip network for control
13:18 MrCurious binary_glitch: etter one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJ1cLzAkxM
13:18 binary_glitch most of my friends find making dinner a challenge, for me I must make up challenges, as daily tasks are just boring and mundane.
13:19 MrCurious binary_glitch: make a CNC. then ue it to make your following challenges
13:20 binary_glitch "and excuse my ignorance but what's cnc?" - me 5 min ago...
13:20 MrCurious did you see the last two youtube links from me
13:20 MrCurious those are cnc
13:20 MrCurious CNC = computer numerical control
13:20 MrCurious a system for translating g-code into control of a material cutting head for the purpose of subtractive manufacture
13:21 binary_glitch and I'm also not following all that bit... but I think you mean not ever devise is individually controlled via the internet, but rather one computer that controls each device is controled via the internet, if that's what your saying that was my full intent.
13:22 GargantuaSauce yeah ok
13:22 binary_glitch and no, I'm following the links now... sorry I am a bit slow at typing / reading...
13:22 GargantuaSauce you just mentioned using wifi printers and i presumed following that
13:23 GargantuaSauce and having lots of wifi devices sucks
13:23 GargantuaSauce do you have programming experience?
13:25 binary_glitch a little in c++ and some basic web design with (HTML and CSS obviously) and I've used PHP and SQL data bases and some JS...
13:26 binary_glitch I will need to study more for sure...
13:26 GargantuaSauce yeah brush up on c
13:26 GargantuaSauce blinking an led with a microcontroller is a good first landmark
13:27 GargantuaSauce embedded programming is certainly a different beast from the above as you don't have an operating system sitting underneath your code doing all the dirty work
13:28 binary_glitch I was thinking of using my c++ to control the motors on the printers, and moding the printers to physically function as needed, and the c++ would be applets to control the parts, while the applets are evoked via php...
13:29 binary_glitch yeah Debian handles my hardware well the Linux Kernel but you know that...
13:30 binary_glitch * ,
13:32 binary_glitch by the vid-links you shared, I take it you advise stationary units...?
13:36 binary_glitch that would make powering the unit much easier, and I wouldn't haver to worry about wheels vs tasks vs legs and the hardware and programming complexities that come with navigation, object recognition, balance, spacial orientation, power level awareness, etc...
13:37 binary_glitch NOT tasks... tracks lol
13:38 GargantuaSauce start small
13:40 binary_glitch well I have done some preliminary testing, I can make a light turn on and off and blink at different intervals, and am researching making the motors move at various speeds, directions and intervals.
13:40 binary_glitch correction LED not light implying bulb...
13:41 binary_glitch is that what you mean by start small?
13:41 GargantuaSauce yep
13:42 GargantuaSauce sounds like you're on the right track
13:43 binary_glitch I am tempted to cheat on my goal/challange, and buy some parts... mostly an erector-set or k'nex
13:44 GargantuaSauce meccano is pretty convenient for some stuff yeah
13:44 GargantuaSauce i don't think you'll get too far with k'nex, it's sort of strictly a toy
13:47 binary_glitch i have legos and can make things with wood, and limited metal work...
14:05 binary_glitch also I think with some adhesive legos and k'nex would be fine for building a wall mounted light-switch flipper ... it wouldn't need to be strong enough to lift a car or anything ya know...
14:05 GargantuaSauce i guess. still think the idea of flipping a light switch like that is pretty silly
14:08 binary_glitch well I can't put in a junction box for a device in the wires so to speak, it's an appartment, I would never get permission, and I don't have the finances or technology to build something like the x10 and Insteon systems...
14:09 binary_glitch and if I bought such systems than it's not the same, for me I wanted to do it form scratch...
14:10 GargantuaSauce yeah ok
14:11 binary_glitch so given my skill set, finincial situation and the restrictions of the place not being mine, a light switch flipper seemed like the best method... make since?
14:12 GargantuaSauce personally i would go ahead and replace the lightswitch with my custom whatever and then just put back the original before moving out (or after burning the house down <_<)
14:12 binary_glitch lol
14:13 binary_glitch here's your appartment back, sorry it's just a pile of ash with a few switches on it...
14:13 GargantuaSauce building a remotely switchable outlet in a power-bar style enclosure for lamps would work well i think
14:14 binary_glitch still 'L'ing OL if that makes any since to you...
14:14 GargantuaSauce but i guess you specifically want overhead lights too dont ya
14:15 GargantuaSauce i guess it is advisable not to touch mains for now anyway (i am still too much of a wuss myself)
14:15 binary_glitch it would be nice, but it's a big project... I can't build every facet at once, nor should I try to implement it all at once....
14:15 GargantuaSauce so yeah i guess go ahead with the switch flipper
14:16 binary_glitch and it will evolve with time I'm sure.
14:16 binary_glitch not my first big project
14:18 binary_glitch i don't remember if it was my computer or my entertainment center, now partly integrated and will be even more so with this new project...
14:28 binary_glitch so I think I should start with the lights, but the next hurdle I'm thinking something to push the button on the GDO, the maybe operate the blinds or a door and lock... hmmm
14:29 binary_glitch don't know which would be more challenging the blinds or the door??
14:29 GargantuaSauce locks are probably something to tackle later...kinda high stakes there
14:30 binary_glitch with security you mean?
14:30 GargantuaSauce needs to not lock you out, not let bad people in, and not lock you in
14:31 binary_glitch I figure it would operate by command only, rather than having it's own decision engine.
14:31 GargantuaSauce you don't want to scramble for your phone in a fire
14:31 GargantuaSauce or get locked out if the power dies
14:32 GargantuaSauce etc etc
14:32 binary_glitch but having a panic mode would be nice... and I think it could come in handy in the case of me accidently locking myslef out, but I though of that too
14:34 binary_glitch in the case of fire/ power failure, would be irreverent... as it would physically not interfere with normal manual operation ... ie it would be out of the way, and would reach an arm like device to operate it like we would. kind of the same as the light filpper...
14:35 binary_glitch an arm mounted/hanging in the middle of the door that reached over and turned the lock than the handle...
14:37 binary_glitch with an other arm maybe that reached to a handle mounted on the wall the hinge is on, and opened/ closed it... but offered little or no resistance to manual operation, all shielded caged to protect it from getting smashed...
14:39 GargantuaSauce sounds pretty difficult, but i am rather useless when it comes to mechanical design
14:39 binary_glitch though now that I've carried on about the basic idea I had for it, I think the blinds is a better candidate for the third addition.
14:41 binary_glitch mechanics wise it's would offer a little challage for me, but not much, it's the programming it to work by computer control even at such a basic level as just to follow the commands: Lock, Unlock, Open, and Close.... with no decision engine.... that's where I'll learn a lot...
14:42 GargantuaSauce i would definitely start on the blinds...worst thing that can happen in the event of a malfunction there is you get the sun in your eyes
14:43 GuShh_ rue_house: ok... been cutting these 10.9 bolts 1mm at a time with carbide, no problem... but I still got some chatter, it's on the toolpost mount like so many other owners have reported (I'll make a new mount once I find a chunk of suitable steel)
14:43 GuShh_ 2 bolts = bad idea, you need 4 at least.
14:43 GuShh_ it just clamps on 2 sides allowing it to rock back and forth just a few thousands
14:43 binary_glitch btw my elipses are to show my uncertainty to the completion of my thought... not that I necessary have anymore to say.
14:44 binary_glitch true...
14:45 GuShh_ anyway nice steel for quick and dirty taps
14:46 binary_glitch also I have some concern for security on the door issue, what if someone hacked the system to let them into my house when they wanted, I also considered testing on an internal door first... just seems wise...
14:47 GuShh_ binary_glitch: what if someone used an axe to "hack" your door?
14:47 GuShh_ same principle
14:47 GargantuaSauce it's definitely something to approach after you've developed the control system on a less critical application
14:47 GuShh_ you can add steel to the door to make the axe unsuitable
14:47 GuShh_ but they can bring an angle grinder!
14:48 binary_glitch I'm not exactly a force to be reckoned with when it comes to web design... I'm sure any security I devise would be easily bypassed.
14:48 GuShh_ there's so much you can do beyond common sense and good practices
14:48 GuShh_ lol
14:48 GuShh_ start by not making it accessible to the outside.
14:49 GuShh_ write your own data protocol, use encrypted data streams and write your own client / server .... which is still unsafe if you don't know what you're doing
14:49 binary_glitch well than that would'n be anything to do with a robot that controlled my door.
14:49 GargantuaSauce if it's any consolation, there's no such thing as a secure system
14:49 GuShh_ rue_house: right now the toolpost is the biggest issue... I'm not buying a QCTP but I have to make a better mounting plate somehow.
14:51 binary_glitch afk, g2g ttyl and such and such, will be back in a few hours...
14:51 GargantuaSauce but really even an open web interface on your wpa2-secured wifi would probably suffice
14:59 MrCurious first 2 cuts of the day done!
15:09 MrCurious the more work you put into a piece of aluminum with cuts and holes and tapping, the more painful it becomes to put in more work
15:09 MrCurious as the fear of botching it up grows
15:10 GargantuaSauce if you screw up one hole cant you just put another beside it and add a corresponding one to the part it'll be bolted to?
15:12 GargantuaSauce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdm7gc4_Oww i imagine even this guy cocked it up a few times
15:15 MrCurious some time
15:15 MrCurious not always
15:15 MrCurious measure, measure, scribe, hole unch, drill
15:15 MrCurious punch
15:17 MrCurious i have the funny feeling, after all this build effort, the final results will be a let down
15:19 GargantuaSauce extrusions sure might have been a better place to start
15:19 GargantuaSauce but eh we'll see!
15:24 MrCurious yeah
15:25 MrCurious i dont have near enough square's
15:25 MrCurious the one i always want is always where i am not at
15:26 GargantuaSauce shoulder holster!
15:28 MrCurious nah.... he-man style back holder....
15:28 MrCurious by the power of pythagerous!
15:28 GargantuaSauce and then whenever you're just around doing whatever and some punk threatens you with a FATE OF MISALIGNMENT
15:28 GargantuaSauce you whip that thing out and show him who' boss
15:30 MrCurious an L shaped boomerang right angle square...
15:30 MrCurious math vigalanti weapon of choice...
15:33 MrCurious in the future, black friday wont be about sales, and it will be televised on the gladiator network
15:36 MrCurious FULL-CONTACT-SHOPPING
15:39 MrCurious so when you go to black friday shopping, do you take A) gun B) knife C) pepper spray D) stun gun E) all of the above
15:42 Casper MrCurious: c'mon... there is a missing item there: F) tesla coil
15:42 MrCurious isnt that a stun gun?
15:48 Casper simmilar, but not quite
15:51 MrCurious tesla is not exactly targetted solution as much as a denial of access to an area system..
15:51 MrCurious so you would probably want to have several deices on easily deployable steaks..
15:51 MrCurious steak out a perimeter of shopping
16:08 GuShh_ So... I contact a company that specializes in custom threaded rods, I ask for 31/64" 26TPI just to see if they could do it (and avoid doing it myself) their answer... "What's TPI?" ...
16:09 GuShh_ Furious I head back to the lathe, miscount the carriage count and shove the tool into the work, snapping the tip of the carbide insert...
16:10 GuShh_ after just two passes, what a day
17:04 binary_glitch GargantuaSauce, you still here?
17:08 MrCurious Zeeee axis is looking tight!
17:12 binary_glitch okay, anyone else game for talking about how to make a wall mounted robot that would role up and down blinds and open and close the louvers, it would be made form spare parts off things like wifi printers and optical drives, fans etc... and would be remote control via computer but not autonomous...
17:16 binary_glitch ??
17:25 GuShh_ alright ... 26tpi done
17:25 GuShh_ now it seems they used an acme type profile... not a regular 60�
17:25 GuShh_ the plot thickens.
17:25 GuShh_ no biggie.
17:45 MrCurious seems i need to make a shim from a aluminum cam
17:45 MrCurious and the z axis will travel with significantly less resistane
17:52 binary_glitch anyone game for any other aspects of building a home automation system within my perimeters: It must be build from scratch or near form scratch ie spare parts (this is a budget constraint of virtually no funds), it must make no permanent changes to the dwelling, (this is an ownership constraint, it's an apartment)?
17:53 MrCurious sometimes its cheaper to go with COTS than make your own
17:54 binary_glitch COTS?
17:54 MrCurious Common Off The Shef systems
17:55 binary_glitch it is never cheaper than not buying a single thing... mechanically I am sure I have all I need, programatically, I will learn to make what I need, so there will be no cost... don't see how off the shelf would be cheaper than free...
17:56 MrCurious i wouldnt say that
17:56 MrCurious they have the benefit of scale of production
17:56 MrCurious as well as a proven design, thus no errors and do overs
17:59 binary_glitch electricity, and the price I've already paid on the things I'm now getting parts form we won't count, as already paid doesn't cost me money I don't have now, and a do-over in a project where the rules starte no buying things is not a financially oriented error, but rather a time consuming one... as I wouldn't go buy replacement parts, bt rather redesign to make due with what's left.
18:00 binary_glitch also it's just for the fun of it, not mission critical... it doesn't have to hold up through the years or anything.
18:01 binary_glitch or rather the mission is mission critical, but the mission it's self is well trivial.
18:02 MrCurious sounds liek a hobby. enjoy :) i have no exp in home automation
18:03 MrCurious have you done a survey of what others have done on google
18:03 MrCurious and checked hackaday for examples of automation, like auto open/close curtains
18:04 binary_glitch well traditionally (according to my research) home automation is not done robotically, but electronically with little or no mechanical workings.
18:06 binary_glitch so if you found ppl doing robotic systems for it, than I'm interested... as this is the only way around my second perimeter
18:09 ace4016 home automation is a very generic fiedl in the first place
18:10 ace4016 i mean, are you going to have a robot walk/roll/fly/float over to the temperature switch? or just make a simple controller to do so?
18:10 ace4016 (to control the temperature switch that is)
18:11 ace4016 the problems being solved have to be such that you need the complexity of a robot
18:11 MrCurious takes motors to open curtains, raise and lower fireplace gas, open nd clcose windows, lower security shutters
18:11 ace4016 those exist
18:11 MrCurious seems like you need to make a list of automations you are interested in researching
18:11 MrCurious or limit your self to turning on lights
18:16 binary_glitch typically it's limited to security systems, automated lights, temp control, running a garage door, maybe turning the louvers on the blinds, running sprinklers systems and ceiling fans... etc very mininal mechanical parts... but I think given my constraints, having an arm mounted above switches, that reaches down and manually flips the switch like you and I would then retrates out of the way type approach for all things would be best...
18:17 binary_glitch but I'm open to making a mobile unit for this, or a combo....
18:20 binary_glitch I asked for suggestions here earleyer and GargantuaSauce voted for wall mounted unit as my best option so I was just running with the idea...
18:21 binary_glitch *earlier
18:24 Fiesta yeah the idea of a robotic butler, that just operates and monitors ordinary human operable devices around the home, seems the easiest option to me. Don't need to re-fit your house
18:25 binary_glitch before I can go on researching the individual automations, I am quickly learning I need to be set on a given approach... ie wall mounted systems, or mobile unit, or combo...
18:26 Jak_o_Shadows I like the idea of lots of small seperate systems.
18:26 binary_glitch Fiesta, well it also has the added benefit of being transplanted much more easily.
18:26 binary_glitch why Jak_o_Shadows ?
18:26 Jak_o_Shadows With lots of small systems, you can get progress almost straight away. It's cheaper, as you can incrementally add systems.
18:27 Fiesta yeah with robo-butler it is a bit all-or-nothing. robo butler dies, home is 100% no longer automated
18:27 Fiesta i like that tho
18:27 binary_glitch true plus it's easier to make the systems able to operate even if one part of it goes down...
18:29 Fiesta but what of multiple robot butlers? you could have a few multi-rotors hovering around, some redundancy
18:29 binary_glitch how about a combo... ie, light/fan switches controled my a generic system and are wireless, then the rest is done by a mobile bot...?
18:29 Jak_o_Shadows It would take quite some doing to get it started\
18:30 binary_glitch by not my lol
18:31 Fiesta yeah, there's likely a perfect price point. Some things (like lights?) woudl be common and cheap to do, others would be more cutting edge and expensive so perhaps better suited to robobutler instead.
18:31 binary_glitch or a system of mobile bots... one goes around operating lights, an other specializes in door operation, etc...
18:31 Fiesta ie: roomba woudl likely be cheaper than teaching robobutler to clean yoru floors
18:32 binary_glitch the budget for this project is 0 that's in USD yes nothing... spart parts only.
18:33 binary_glitch time and man-hours are however limitless, and I have a metric ton of parts to work with.
18:33 Fiesta is such specialisation nessesary though? perhaps instead, there can be a cache of specialty tools which all of the robots can pick up as nessesary. so the tools are specialised - not so much the robots though.
18:34 Fiesta got a 3d printer?
18:34 binary_glitch that's yet an other approach, I'm just evaluating options so I know where to point my research at this point in the game...
18:35 binary_glitch no, unfortunately...
18:35 Jak_o_Shadows I like the idea of having a pc control stuff, and having communication to lots of modules through wireless such as http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/High-Quality-NRF24L01-2-4GHz-Wireless-Transceiver-Module-Arduino-Built-in-antene-/350769866497?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item51ab836701
18:36 Curious slices up an aluminum can to make a shim. CAN: 0 FINGER
18:36 binary_glitch but I can build custom parts, good wood working stuff going on here, and a little machining, and lots of mechanical parts and knowledge.
18:36 Fiesta ok, specialised robots like you say might be a better idea then. As it could be hard to make an interchangable standardised toolset without a 3d printer.
18:37 Fiesta oh ok
18:40 binary_glitch a two pronged fork, now imagine a bar connecting each prong at the top, so now you have a long bar handle with a flat patle at the end with a squarecut out of it kind of shape, this would be an easy to build tool for flipping switches....
18:40 Fiesta sounds fun anyway. i'd love to have a quad of multi-rotors flying around my property constantly updating a 3D slam map, and greeting guests via teleoperation.
18:41 Fiesta if only multirotors wern't so loud :-/
18:41 binary_glitch the hands that operate it would be good for doors... a simple stick for buttons, etc... tools would be easy...
18:42 Fiesta there might be some good specialised button flippers etc on thingiverse that can give inspiration
18:43 binary_glitch thingiverse? a website?
18:43 Fiesta standard wall-power and light switches here are pretty hard to flick
18:43 Fiesta yeah, it's a user repository of 3d printable objects
18:44 binary_glitch ah, yeah no 3d printer...
18:44 binary_glitch does it come with viewable pix of the out come...
18:45 Fiesta but the designs are still inspiring, if may help you build a good switch flipper. yes there's images all over it
18:45 binary_glitch ps if a 3d printer can print it, I can build something functionally identical.
18:45 Fiesta exactly
18:45 MrCurious that ended well :)
18:46 Fiesta bonus: somehow you ended up an extra finger, how on earth....
18:46 Fiesta *up with
18:46 Fiesta hehe
18:47 binary_glitch wait ... ended, I'm not done... I am still unsure as to what design approach to go with
18:47 Fiesta Mr Curuious is talking about his attempt to make a shim outof an aluminium can without losing a finger in the process
18:48 Fiesta binary_glitch http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:146905 here's an interesting idae
18:49 Fiesta a way to jerry-rig a light switch to be pulley operated
18:52 Fiesta hmm, seems it's easy to flick those big style switches via a simple servo (and attachments) http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:22936
18:58 MrCurious no fingerss were lost :)
18:59 MrCurious Z-axis has 6" of travel!
19:24 MrCurious ouch. main cnc cut me
19:29 binary_glitch what do they call programming in individual functions as oposed to one big function I wanna say modular programming but I'm unsure...
19:30 Faek Functional programming?
19:32 Fiesta nod programmIng?
19:33 binary_glitch not the phrase I'm looking for... I'll just go with modular programming for my metaphor... but one has to understand the purpose of this type of programming... it is so that each function can be debugged by it's self, and problems can be narrowed down, and functions can be cut out and added as needed...
19:34 Fiesta node I mean. but yeah I duno
19:34 binary_glitch I am likeing the idea of a modular system
19:34 binary_glitch afk gotta give the kids a bath...
19:35 Fiesta Ie: ROS nodes are all quIte Independant afaIk
19:37 MrCurious programming in many functions vs 1 big function?
19:37 MrCurious thats called programming vs pretend programming
19:40 Fiesta yeah i'd probably call functionless programming somethign derogatory like scripting or something?
19:41 Fiesta "hello world"ing . there's prolly a name
19:41 Fiesta bad programming
19:43 Fiesta everything i type sounds terrible today
19:57 MrCurious monolithic vs functional
19:57 MrCurious or 1960s style vs 1980s style
19:58 GargantuaSauce bulldozer function is a name that is commonly used i think
19:59 GargantuaSauce because it just is a big machine that moves some random shit around
20:02 binary_glitch "or 1960s style vs 1980s style" is a good way to put it, as that's exactly what it is... and all that other name calling is kinda pointless, I don't think there exists such a thing as one big function is the whole program since maybe the late 90's...
20:03 GargantuaSauce youuuu'd be surprised....
20:04 MrCurious binary_glitch: what kind of background do you come from, so we acn better tune answers to you? degree in what? job exp in what, or too young for any of that
20:07 Curious pokes binary_gl
20:07 binary_glitch just run with too young for any of that ( granted I'm over 30 and have 4 kids) but your better off just amusing little to no previous knowledge in geeky things....
20:08 MrCurious so an MBA :P
20:09 MrCurious should likely start with a arduino, a raspberry pi or a beagle bone black
20:09 MrCurious do some experiments with turning on relays, reading 1-wire temp sensors
20:10 binary_glitch if it helps I've dabbled in the thousands and thousands of interests I have. I know a little about alot, and alot about nothing.... and if I could wish a degree into existance it would be a BAS in computer science, form MIT no doubt, and cuma sum laude to boot.
20:10 MrCurious when i started myrobotics quest. i figured it would take a month or two
20:10 MrCurious that was like 3 years ago
20:11 MrCurious MIT, nice
20:11 Fiesta haha
20:11 MrCurious i would wish for a unicorn...
20:11 MrCurious and world peace
20:11 Fiesta we shoudl all be so lucky to goto Wish-MIT
20:11 binary_glitch can program relays and can solder them into pcb's too...
20:11 binary_glitch and LED's
20:12 Fiesta does Wish-MIT have a laugh track like that god awful tv show?
20:12 binary_glitch and am learning motor control...
20:13 MrCurious ebay is a great place to get motor drivers
20:13 MrCurious cheap
20:13 MrCurious and those chinese have small hands, so they can make really good cheap boards
20:14 MrCurious proably the exact reason i will never be ableto hold a political office
20:14 binary_glitch hey it's not a bad wish, I've been wishing it for 20+ years... so no I didn't get it from the following example, but that happens to be the exact degree of Iron Man... you can't knock that... it's a good dream.
20:14 MrCurious i would make biden look like someone who can hold his tongue :)
20:15 binary_glitch "ebay is a great place to get motor drivers" software dirvers?
20:15 MrCurious software comes from you or from arduino examples
20:16 MrCurious google is your friend
20:17 binary_glitch I get my motors from old computer parts, a hard drive has a good motor in it, and the driver is just pulses sent through the usb port, everyone uses the 9pin D-shell serial port, but I found a handy guide to using usb and i like how it's worked for me ever since.
20:19 GargantuaSauce precise timing is essential for effective motor control and that is completely infeasible over usb
20:20 Jak_o_Shadows Well, it can work, but whyyy\
20:20 binary_glitch to reiterate; the goal is spend no money (not one cent) and make no changes to the dwelling that I can't realistically undo when I leave, and finally to have a blast automating as much I can / feel like in my apartment.
20:20 Fiesta isn't USB all complicated with layers of ... abstraction, uh, dunno the term. But basically i thought you can't control the pulses directly, it's all multiplexed up the qaZOO
20:20 Fiesta wazoo
20:21 Jak_o_Shadows If you spend no money, it'll be hard. If you limit yourself to about $5 per module/task, that's a lot more feasible
20:21 MrCurious yeah. usb is not a cheap way of driving motors
20:22 MrCurious you cant tap the usb U+ and U- to drive motors
20:22 MrCurious you need to decode it then use that to set a pin pair then that pin pair goes to a motor driver
20:23 Jak_o_Shadows I have seen programming done via raw usb, but it needs a custom kernel driver
20:23 binary_glitch not sure what your saying but I know I can turn an led on for 15/1000ths of a second or for 15 seconds, or 16 or 5 or an hour whatever, and I can make fans turn for as long as I want, what I want to learn is to turn that motor in reverse, and vary speeds.
20:23 MrCurious and motors kick power back. you need to take precautions, or you can fry your computer from teh back flow
20:23 Fiesta i was just about to suggest super-cheap servos as more simple, but then remembered the $0 price restriction
20:24 MrCurious robotustra: is really good at this task you should tell him what you are trying to do. he may have ideas
20:24 Jak_o_Shadows turning a motor in reverse makes it neccessary to swap both leads. Ie. a h-bridge
20:25 Fiesta or use a 2ndary motor wired in reverse. since you have so many motors, and i'm dumb, it's what i'd do
20:26 MrCurious and motors are generators when they go unpowered and spin down
20:28 Fiesta wonder if you can use the HDD itself as the motor driver, plug it into your robot via SATA, make data requests to drive your robot :)
20:28 Fiesta oh wait HDD motors just keep spinning constantly don't they. nm
20:28 MrCurious hd motors are steppers
20:28 Triffid_Hunter Fiesta: works with floppy disks
20:28 MrCurious and very fast ones, with very little torque
20:28 MrCurious not suitable for home automation
20:29 Triffid_Hunter MrCurious: nope, the platter motor is BLDC, and the arm motor is a glorified solenoid
20:29 MrCurious unless you are automating a very precise fan blade
20:29 MrCurious BLDC?
20:29 Fiesta hmm... could the read/write head be used as a gear-shifter? make one position neutral, and others engage variosu gearing.
20:29 binary_glitch all this is true and I know a lot of it simply due to failures in getting things to happen with the usb motor... maybe I can use ethernet to controller that controls a motor with it's own power source....
20:29 MrCurious thought it took 5 leads for the platter motor
20:29 Triffid_Hunter MrCurious: yeah, a stupid name for synchronous AC motors
20:29 MrCurious yuck, does not want
20:29 Triffid_Hunter MrCurious: they're very popular with the R/C crowd due to the massive power densities that become possible when you don't need brushes
20:30 MrCurious but would need to gear them way down
20:30 Triffid_Hunter you can gear them internally with LRK winding ;)
20:30 MrCurious and i cant see that the power draw + gears would make them cost effective vs other motor tyes for a robotic application that is not propeller based
20:31 Triffid_Hunter MrCurious: all the high end servos use BLDC
20:31 MrCurious binary_glitch: sounds like Triffid_Hunter will be your guide in this matter
20:31 GargantuaSauce electric cars use direct drive brushless motors
20:32 GargantuaSauce boston dynamics' super fancy programmable-compliance leg is bldc
20:33 Triffid_Hunter those $280/ea dynamixel servos that robotis' darwin-OP uses are BLDC motor with arm cortex-m0 controller chip
20:33 Triffid_Hunter presumably metal gears and encoder
20:33 GargantuaSauce i would give my left nut for 24 of those
20:33 binary_glitch well before we get into all the cool stuff, the overall system, I like the wall mounted idea the best I think... due to it's module type design and the types of building materials I have available.
20:34 Triffid_Hunter GargantuaSauce: heh the darwin-OP uses 28
20:34 robotustra http://postimg.org/image/pahspf7nb/
20:34 Jak_o_Shadows ooh.
20:35 Fiesta are those custom machined metal gimbals?
20:35 GargantuaSauce earl grey tea tastes like a soapdish
20:36 robotustra :)
20:36 robotustra yes
20:36 robotustra I did them
20:36 Fiesta wow
20:36 binary_glitch so my first though is to build something that can operate a switch the way ppl do, and can be mounted on the wall and not interfear with normal manual operation of the switch in question... I was thinking of using an old wifi printer and so I'd control it via wifi, and just mod the hardware to be small enough to get out of the way and do it's job...
20:37 robotustra Fiesta: I have some video with one eye motion
20:37 robotustra not two
20:37 GargantuaSauce so you are going to write custom software to run on the printer's proprietary hardware controller?
20:37 Fiesta 1 old wifi printer per lightswitch?
20:38 Fiesta robotustra i'd like to see that video :)
20:38 robotustra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QREt8x-ogc
20:39 binary_glitch it would be cool if it could follow the following directions... turn the light on, even if it already is, ... turn the light off, even if it already is, ... no matter what state the light is in, make it the opposite.
20:39 GargantuaSauce how do you intend to make it carry out those operations?
20:39 robotustra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hld-6YdsHQY
20:39 rue_shop2 yay I finished my motor driver!, here is hoping the chip I built it around works
20:41 robotustra binary_glitch http://habrahabr.ru/post/161359/
20:41 robotustra translate to english and be happy
20:42 Jak_o_Shadows That's neat robotustra
20:42 Jak_o_Shadows Also, rue, what's the driver for? The truck?
20:42 binary_glitch GargantuaSauce, yeah kind of, I was thinking of making an app that translates those operations into print, feed paper, reset the ink cartrages... kind of thing.... so my program simply tells the 'proprietary' drivers / software to do things based on what it's told.... but if not than fuck the printer's proprietary hardware controller
20:42 binary_glitch control the motors myself....\
20:42 robotustra Jak_o_Shadows: what's neat?
20:43 robotustra binary_glitch: manual controlling of motor IS NOT automation
20:44 Jak_o_Shadows the gimbal mount
20:44 robotustra ah ok
20:44 robotustra not a problem, it's evident solution
20:44 robotustra bearings
20:45 binary_glitch by manual I mean not the proprietary software, but I (manually ) write my own software
20:45 Fiesta robotustra the eye move so fast,cool stuff. Do you have issues with blurred images as a result?
20:47 robotustra I didn't check yet, but I can strobe frame capture
20:48 robotustra I'm not going to take picture while moving
20:48 Fiesta ah
20:48 robotustra just after stop
20:48 binary_glitch and I don't really want full automation either... I don't want a door that sees me comming, knows it's me and unlocks it's self and opens it's slef and colses it's self behind me, but rather a door that if and when I say unlock it does, if and when I say open it does, etc...
20:49 binary_glitch not smart just .... um... simi automatic, ?? lol
20:49 Fiesta what i'd love to do, would be to just capture the raw camera data, ie: lowest possible "shutter speed" (even though it's not really a thing with digital cameras afaik, well until you get those rolling shutter problems). Then do all image stacking (ie: super-resolution) in software, that way there should be no blurring at all even during super fast movements.
20:50 Fiesta but i dunno how digital cameras really work, it may not be possible with cheap cameras
20:50 GargantuaSauce it definitely isn't
20:50 Fiesta isn't possible?
20:51 GargantuaSauce even more expensive webcams get awful framerates at higher resolutions
20:51 robotustra it's not needed
20:52 robotustra because the bluring depends not only on speed but of the brightness of light
20:52 robotustra because of autobalance of white
20:52 GargantuaSauce more like the exposure time depends on the ambient light
20:52 Fiesta i wonder if that's because they stack their images locally though, ie: they keep adding frames up until it reaches some kinda contrast threshhold - then it pushes it through the USB all as one frame. then it repeats
20:52 robotustra yes
20:52 robotustra no
20:53 Fiesta yes, what i want is to bypass the autoballance, so that's only done on the PC side in software
20:53 robotustra they just send images 30 times per second
20:53 robotustra whatever is in the sensor
20:53 robotustra but 1/30 of second - is quite big time
20:54 Fiesta so where is the autoballance normally done - on the PC end?
20:54 robotustra my eye moves about 0.1 s
20:54 robotustra so I lose 1-2 frames
20:54 robotustra no, inside camera
20:55 robotustra but I don't care about colors right now
20:55 robotustra I need to extract edges and similar points
20:55 binary_glitch wonder if there is a way to hack the cam to tell it not to set the frame rate, but to ask the comp for that....
20:55 robotustra in both eyes
20:55 Fiesta can it be bypassed? perhaps locked to quickest possible exposure time (ie: you'll get super-dark images). Then have the PC itself stack them together, after some good image stabilisation etc.
20:56 GargantuaSauce yes, you'll have a hard time getting reasonable results though i think
20:56 GargantuaSauce since it's compressed on the camera
20:56 robotustra I don't understand what is your final aim?
20:56 robotustra it's not complressed
20:56 robotustra my camera is YUV
20:56 GargantuaSauce most do jpg onboard
20:57 robotustra I get non compressed stuff
20:57 GargantuaSauce okay so that's just way downsampled
20:57 robotustra one frame is about 600k
20:57 Fiesta my aim is to enable usable data from the camera while it is moving quickly, no blurring, then allow the PC to stitch the imcomming data together into a large panorama much like our own brain's visual cortex does.
20:57 robotustra yes
20:57 GargantuaSauce i sincerely doubt you're going to get that without a quite decent camera
20:57 robotustra it's possible
20:58 robotustra because I control frame grabbing
20:58 robotustra and some cameras permit to do frame grabbing by sygnal
20:58 rue_shop2 yay, my motor driver works!
20:59 robotustra they have special button for it
20:59 robotustra rue_shop2: video to prove
20:59 rue_shop2 oh or photo...
21:00 binary_glitch does the pc need to sew the images together in real-time and make decisions based on object recognition?
21:01 robotustra reverse
21:01 robotustra I don't need video I need separate frames
21:01 robotustra a sequence of frames
21:01 binary_glitch "my aim is to enable usable data from the camera while it is moving quickly, no blurring, then allow the PC to stitch the imcomming data together into a large panorama much like our own brain's visual cortex does."
21:01 binary_glitch that's what I was responding to...
21:02 robotustra ok
21:02 Fiesta real-time stitching woudl be nice yeah. Desisions would be made further down the chain though.
21:02 Fiesta if this is to enable a robot to see, then yeah it's all gotta be realtime
21:02 Fiesta but you could just map a room with it and do calculations offline if you wanted to.
21:03 robotustra of cause it's impossible to do with the camras I have
21:03 robotustra I would be happy if I'll be able to get at leat 20 good frames per second
21:03 robotustra It will be very good result
21:04 robotustra with the delay 0.2 s
21:04 binary_glitch the maping of a room idea... helps cut down on what to process, but still map me, then run in to me when I move but you looked once and closed your eyes and relied on the image in your head...
21:04 MrCurious Fiesta: ps2 eye cam is the best cam i have found for not suffering from motion blur
21:04 MrCurious you should gamble $30 and try one out
21:05 Fiesta i think Ps2's eye cam is mostly cool from it's software though isn't it? i thougth it was just an ordinary cam
21:05 Jak_o_Shadows PS3 eye cam was definitely good
21:06 MrCurious motion blur is a common problem seen in the 10+ cameras i have compared
21:06 Fiesta binary_glitch this stuff is generally called Visual SLAM if you want some back reading
21:06 MrCurious plentiful light helps the situation, but doesnt make all cameras not suck
21:06 binary_glitch to map and instantly re-map constantly in real time so as to be able to move and adapt to a real environment would take a hell of a lot of processing power, I'm just saying... now mind this, most home ps now are way over powered in the processing dep for the ave. end user's needs...
21:07 Fiesta thesedays these calculations are generally done on the GPU
21:07 binary_glitch Visual SLAM, is that the study of what I'm getting at?
21:08 Fiesta well SLAM yes, visual slam is SLAM using only visible light like from ordinary cameras. But you can also do SLAM with 3D cameras like the Kinect. SLAM stands for Simultaneous Location and Mapping, it basically means you understand the shape of your surroundings and your position within it.
21:08 binary_glitch google says yes
21:08 Fiesta sorry Localisation
21:09 Curious wanders off. god dmn cnc aint gonna make it
21:10 binary_glitch than slam can be done with no light, ie sonar, or with inferred, etc...
21:10 MrCurious cut it, drill it, tap it, screw it.
21:10 Fiesta a video says a million words :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quGhaggn3cQ
21:10 Fiesta yes, yes it can.
21:10 Fiesta it can also be done with all of teh above at once, everything adding in to teh one map.
21:10 binary_glitch yes it can at me?
21:10 Fiesta yes
21:11 binary_glitch loving the vid...
21:11 robotustra MrCurious: be happy you are doing it. The time you will be not needed to assemble CNC is the DEATH
21:11 GargantuaSauce more like the birth
21:11 GargantuaSauce i look forward to obsolescence
21:13 Fiesta binary_glitch note the top left quadrant of the video, that's what the kinect actually sees in 3d, it's bad quality data. But this "fusion" system averages out all that 3d data into a much higher resolution map. So you can get higher quality data from bad quality inputs - just averaged over time.
21:13 robotustra hah
21:13 binary_glitch GargantuaSauce, what's going on? are the robots you make, making themselves, thus opting you out a job?
21:13 robotustra obgects apear in a 1 second
21:14 Fiesta each individual frame must be understood though, aligned properly then added into the global averaged map. it takes some doing.
21:14 GargantuaSauce no i just think the singularity will be a pretty sweet event
21:15 robotustra kinect is cheating because they have accelerometers inside
21:16 binary_glitch ah, your a geek... wait this IS irc lol I guess we all are now, now that chatrooms of the 90's arn't really a thing anymore, and the old irc tech is still kicking, we're it man, we're the nerds... lol
21:16 Fiesta that's just one extra sense. It can do it without that accelerometer data too.
21:16 Fiesta but every extra sense makes it better
21:19 Fiesta once you have robust 3d maps like this, you can start to do automatic object recognition and segmentisation. Some teams can already do stuff like scan in a room and have all of the tables and chairs recognised and removed from the scene automatically.
21:19 robotustra Fiesta: to whom are you speaking?
21:19 Fiesta there are also some online repositories now of common scanned objects, to be plugged into this type of software so that robots can recognise everything. i'm ranting :)
21:20 Fiesta mostly to binary_glitch :)
21:20 robotustra ok
21:20 Fiesta sorry i'm prolly taking over, please continue robotustra
21:21 robotustra no no
21:21 robotustra continue, I'm watching video about kinect
21:22 binary_glitch I think I could program learning, but I'd need to have others program getting data from various sensor groups, but I think I could say tag thousands apon thousands of references to this data and store it, while sanctimoniously pull and cross reference data of similar tags, starting with most relevant first.... but I'd need massive storage space and then maybe after 10 years it'd be like a 2 year old...
21:22 Fiesta you are using a pull-pull cable system to control the gimbal?
21:22 robotustra yes
21:22 robotustra fishing thread
21:22 robotustra 0.1 mm
21:22 Fiesta interesting. i'm going to have to get into this soon, as some robotic tentacles i'm making are also pull-pull.
21:23 robotustra ok
21:23 Fiesta but ui'm barely at the stage yet where they operate smoothly just from hand motions. connecting to servos and pulleys is a while off.
21:24 Fiesta i have a giant tentacle on the floor only 1 meter from me, made from a pool noodle haha.
21:24 robotustra I dont use servos
21:24 binary_glitch why not?
21:24 robotustra they are too noisy
21:24 binary_glitch got it...
21:24 robotustra my dc motors almost silent
21:25 robotustra are
21:26 nary_glitch is feeling kind of silly, if I get too off the wall just tell me and I'll go to #def
21:26 Fiesta binary_glitch you should look into ROS, Robot Operating System. it's a node based system, lots of individual software parts - all upgradable - all open source and very active in the community. Can essentially build the world's most complex robots with it, just as interconnected combos of software. this is a terrible explanation but i gotta brb a sec...
21:26 robotustra here you can hear the real sound eyes produce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hld-6YdsHQY
21:27 robotustra I typing lauder than eye moves
21:29 binary_glitch that's an awesome vid...
21:30 robotustra thanks
21:31 robotustra I want to make ears in the head as well that's why I need to produse as less sounds as possible
21:31 binary_glitch I have an idea, that would through the FBI/CIA/Other Hackers for a loop, if one was to do a major hack/crack and wanted to hide there location, and it involves robots....
21:32 binary_glitch know how in the 80's movies they have pay phones taped upside down to eachother... have a robot control a computer for you...
21:32 binary_glitch just a though... lol
21:33 Fiesta if you are controlling the robot they can still trace that.
21:33 robotustra binary_glitch when did last time you passed Turing test?
21:33 robotustra binary_glitch when did last time you passe Turing test?
21:35 binary_glitch yes but first they would have to physically approach the computer to even know it's a bot ... and if that bot was controlled by a computer that was contoled by yet an other bot, and all the usual ip tricks where used, than it would be quite a bothersome task to actually get to your physical location, at this point your long gone... ya know...
21:35 robotustra binary_glitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUyNnb64-b8
21:35 robotustra in soviet america TV watches you
21:37 robotustra (c) MrCurious
21:37 binary_glitch Turing test? I'm not a machine, so never... but I can see why you'd ask, I warned you all I was about to go off the deep end... I get this way when my herbs ware off.
21:37 robotustra but you behave like chat bot
21:38 robotustra IMHO
21:39 Fiesta just excited ;)
21:40 robotustra binary_glitch: do you know how I find it out?
21:41 robotustra relax
21:41 robotustra I'm kidding
21:42 binary_glitch last time I checked out a chat bot they could not talk about as many things as I have, nor did they misspell words, and they didn't have so mayny crazy ideas, also they had a tarrable tendency to be way off track with responces, like I know I don't stay focused on a single subject, but the bots used to really suck like you say 'hi, how are you' and it would say monkeys are at the zoo...
21:42 robotustra binary_glitch: where are you from?
21:43 robotustra you are bot because normal humans DON'T type so longphrases
21:43 robotustra less words, more meaning
21:43 binary_glitch military kid, really but not really... I was raised like a military kid in the since that we moved every 3 to 6 months, and my dad really is ex military, but he was done serving by the time I was born.
21:43 binary_glitch so really but not really if that makes any since.
21:44 robotustra so, you didn't answer yet
21:44 binary_glitch I am a long winded person, I try not to be, but i can't help it.
21:44 binary_glitch answer what? where I am form?
21:44 robotustra yes
21:45 robotustra us?
21:46 binary_glitch a single place would give you the wrong impression of my cultural backround, but yes I was born in Enid OK USA
21:46 rue_bed binary_glitch, you have a project on the go?
21:46 binary_glitch wait what?
21:46 robotustra Now you are in arisona?
21:46 rue_bed binary_glitch, you have a project on the go?
21:47 binary_glitch rue_bed, I'ma need ya ta refrase that man, I don't get it...
21:47 rue_bed I dont understand, I thought a half hour nap should work, it looks like in 20 mins I passed out and woke up agian
21:47 robotustra Presscot
21:47 rue_bed binary_glitch, are you building a robot
21:48 robotustra Prescott
21:48 rue_bed robotustra, foo
21:48 robotustra binary_glitch: how old are you?
21:48 rue_bed robotustra, foo
21:48 robotustra ?
21:48 e_bed pokes robotus
21:48 robotustra :)
21:49 binary_glitch yes robotustra, you can do an IP lookup ... wanna cookie, I'm not in AZ but the computer ultimately typing to you is...
21:49 robotustra just curious
21:49 rue_bed likes it, must not be a robot
21:49 e_bed cleans his fi
21:49 rue_bed binary_glitch, are you building a robot?
21:49 rue_bed binary_glitch, are you programming a robot?
21:49 binary_glitch want to
21:49 rue_bed binary_glitch, can you answer a cache of questions?
21:50 Faek binary_glitch: Are you using a pencil sharpener?
21:50 rue_bed binary_glitch, what do you want to make
21:50 binary_glitch to automate my apartment, more at to challange and entertain me...
21:50 rue_bed binary_glitch, have you made any robots in past?
21:50 robotustra binary_glitch: what's your budget for automation of house?
21:50 binary_glitch yes I can
21:50 binary_glitch no I'm not
21:50 rue_bed binary_glitch, entertainment robots rule
21:50 binary_glitch I already told you what I want to make
21:51 rue_bed sorry, I have a short session memory
21:51 Faek binary_glitch: Why are you not using a pencil sharpener? (pay attention to rue not me)
21:51 rue_bed what was your nick when you told me?
21:51 robotustra binary_glitch: WHAT'S YOUR BUDGET
21:51 rue_bed $20
21:51 binary_glitch have I made any robots in the past, I know this is going to be a contraversial question here butm, define robot...
21:51 rue_bed oh, him not me
21:51 rue_bed robot is a computer controlled machine
21:52 rue_bed so yes, a vcr is a robot
21:52 rue_bed so is a tape loader and your cdrom
21:52 binary_glitch and slow down with the feed (of the cache of questions) as I am not a bot, and I type and read slow...
21:52 robotustra rue_bed: I told you he is a bot
21:52 binary_glitch budget is 0
21:52 binary_glitch ent robos do rule
21:52 rue_bed to save time typing, just type the first letter of every word and put all the sentences on one line
21:53 robotustra so, what materials do you have?
21:53 robotustra binary_glitch: what stuff do you have?
21:53 robotustra what do you want to automate
21:53 rue_bed binary_glitch, do you have a soldering iron?
21:53 rue_bed binary_glitch, do you have a drill?
21:53 rue_bed binary_glitch, do you have any screwdrivers?
21:53 binary_glitch fuck paying attention to only one person, I'm not getting enough time to read names... and no pincle sharpeners are in the plans yet...
21:54 rue_bed cool
21:54 binary_glitch I said my budget
21:54 rue_bed you did
21:54 robotustra but you'll not make anything with your budget
21:54 binary_glitch computer controlled machine yes I've made one
21:54 rue_bed he can too!
21:55 robotustra $0 - is too low budget
21:55 rue_bed oooo I'm gonna go make a walking robot from whole cd-rom drives, later chaps
21:55 robotustra :)
21:55 robotustra rue_bed: how many DOF?
21:55 binary_glitch "to save time typing, just type the first letter of every word and put all the sentences on one line "... you mean abbreviate?
21:55 rue_bed depends how many cdrom drives I can find, I think about 8
21:56 robotustra you mean steppers?
21:56 binary_glitch the materials I have are too may to list...
21:56 robotustra rue_bed: you will use DC motors or steppers?
21:57 binary_glitch soldering iron yes, dirll, yes but it's corded,,, screwdrivers... yes may allen and torques etc
21:57 robotustra binary_glitch: what's your plan
21:57 robotustra in details
21:57 robotustra fill free to tell us
21:57 robotustra may be we can do advise
21:57 binary_glitch plan for what?
21:57 robotustra for home automation
21:58 robotustra how, what
21:58 robotustra light switching?
21:58 robotustra what sensors
21:58 robotustra temperature
21:58 binary_glitch we already whent through all that...
21:58 robotustra heating
21:58 robotustra oh, I wasn't here sorry
21:59 robotustra I was soldering a robot eye :)
21:59 binary_glitch yes to all and doors if you don't remember, and yes you where, you where responding...
21:59 binary_glitch I'm not a bot guys ...
21:59 robotustra 1 sec
22:00 binary_glitch I'm go smoke a phat blunt... be back in 5 so got your sec plus some.
22:01 binary_glitch My current physical location is in WA if you can find the town I'll hook it up with that cookie...akf
22:08 binary_glitch I already puffed it up and came back, what could you be doing for such a long sec.
22:11 MrCurious are WE having FUN yet?
22:11 binary_glitch okay my plan is to make a system that doesn't cost me anything, cuz I can't even pay my bills and I have paid every cent I have to them.... so it HAS to be free of financial charge.... and I'm about to move out from my ex's apartment to my own studio... so where ever that is, I want to automate it, for the purpose of having a good time learning ....
22:13 Faek Well I'M HAVING gun
22:14 MrCurious i just opened up a bottle of refined fun
22:15 binary_glitch I want to change the temp of the thermostat form my computer, I want to login to my server and unlock and open my door form say the library down the road, and turn on and off my lights, etc just anything that would be cool for no other reason than I will turn learning about my interest (building, computers, electronics, mechanics, physics, etc...))
22:15 binary_glitch into fun
22:15 MrCurious *COUGH* X10 *COUGH*
22:15 binary_glitch .
22:16 binary_glitch no money onece again, plus not as much learning...
22:17 binary_glitch that was to the x10 suggestion btw
22:18 binary_glitch "may be we can do advise" ~ robotustra ... so what do you think? can you?
22:19 MrCurious so glitch, what is your next step. how do you plan to put the rubber to the road
22:21 MrCurious will you start with a light controler, a temp controler, a door lock controler?
22:22 MrCurious which aspect of the project will be your first to tackle
22:22 binary_glitch well I want to learn how to control the moving parts to my peripherals how and when I want. then I will start developing mods to these devices to make them perform engineered movements on command.
22:22 MrCurious so learning...
22:22 MrCurious no deliverables
22:22 binary_glitch then tweek the moded device to actually perform the task... and you get the idea
22:23 MrCurious i was asking which thing you will automate first
22:24 binary_glitch well if you can't help... but a standard switch, ie for a light, or fan, or garbage disposal unit, etc...
22:25 MrCurious and what do you have that can toggle AC house current on off in response to a 5v ttl level signal?
22:26 binary_glitch the basic idea I am imagining preliminarily is like an arm that is afixed to the wall above the switch and simply reaches down and flips the switch than retracts out of the way.
22:26 MrCurious i call troll
22:27 binary_glitch a printer... and I am not trolling, I am serious, just because I think outside of the box, have you never been accused of being different?
22:30 binary_glitch it would not toggle AC it would reach an arm and flip a light seitch just like your hand think a robot arm shaped maybe like a hamburger turner with a square hole in it that easly fits over the switch and pulls or pushes the switch .... the paper feeder's motor should be strong enough for that...
22:31 MrCurious so to turn on a light, you will use a android
22:31 MrCurious kinda rube goldberg-esque
22:32 binary_glitch yeah a bit lol
22:32 binary_glitch maybe he and I woulda made good friends
22:32 MrCurious so your task isnt a light switch
22:32 MrCurious it is making a mobile robot with a arm that cn reach a light switch
22:34 binary_glitch no it's multipul switches for various things, and a gerage door opener, and a door lock, and a door knob, and the string for my blinds to operat both rolling up and down, AND opening and closing the louvers, etc.
22:34 binary_glitch all contoled at one central interfase, a web page.
22:35 binary_glitch not mobile, just the arm, and it would be attached to the wall.
22:35 binary_glitch think lots of android arms hanging all over my walls, and the brains is a web server...
22:36 MrCurious http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Channel-5V-2CH-Relay-Module-for-Arduino-PIC-ARM-AVR-DSP-/350941079848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b5b7e928
22:36 MrCurious \just spend the money
22:36 binary_glitch these arms are gonna be large, ulgy, and have bugs, but they would perform all home automation.
22:38 binary_glitch it's not about the end result man, I mean don't get me wrong I do want it to work, but if it olny proves the consept, or disproves it for that matter, I'll be happy.
22:38 MrCurious have fun, good luck, hop to it :)
22:38 binary_glitch and even if it where about the end result, I would just have to do it this way or abandon the whole 'dream' ....
22:42 binary_glitch wait, I came here for feed back on conceptual design, as I'm desiding on how all to go about it, like I've come to the conclusion that I like the idea of the hands on the walls better than a mobile unit, or a combo, or multipal mobies, even if they had specialized tasks or if they all just used tools to perform there tasks... I made that design decision, form the feed back I got here...
22:43 GargantuaSauce our feedback is that flipping a light switch with a multi-axis arm is super dumb
22:44 binary_glitch now, what should I learn first to make a robotic arm that can flip a switch from a printer, if you where me, but had your exp with robotics, where would you start...?
22:44 GargantuaSauce i would put a fucking relay in the socket
22:45 GargantuaSauce if you want to build a multi-axis arm that's cool, don't use it to flip a light switch because that is a huge waste
22:45 robotustra :)
22:45 binary_glitch I guess I could do that, it doesn't break any of my parameters...
22:46 GargantuaSauce now, sticking to your design constraint of "a big ugly thing halfassed out of a printer sitting on top of the lightswitch", i would put the paper feeding stepper motor right next to it with a little flappy arm to flip it up or down
22:47 GargantuaSauce with a microcontroller and two h-bridges
22:48 robotustra we have all together send binary_glitch to google to search such implementations
22:48 robotustra I'm sure they should exist
22:50 robotustra binary_glitch: remeber: the 1st rule: If you have an IDEA - make sure that you're not first one who get it. Check it. Probably you'll get ready solution
22:51 robotustra binary_glitch: rule #2: If you didn't find exactly what you want - try to find similar projects and modify to your requrements.
22:51 MrCurious we have been politely telling you your approach is bass-ackward
22:52 GargantuaSauce how dare you accuse me of politeness?
22:53 Tom_itx rude crude dude
22:53 robotustra rule #3: If you could not find any analogs in the internet - it means that you idea is most probably STUPID. Or you can go directly to the patent buro
22:53 GargantuaSauce (or both)
22:53 MrCurious done with cnc work for tonight
22:53 Tom_itx awww
22:53 Tom_itx MrCurious what did you c n c?
22:54 MrCurious i Human Guestimate Carved on my CNC machcine
22:54 robotustra MrCurious: what about drill it press it tap it clamp it file it screw it paint it sell it?
22:54 MrCurious todo, 2 axis of lead screw attachment, table surface mounting, and attach z to the y
22:54 MrCurious i was thinking of using cnc to make cnc to sell
22:54 MrCurious but i think the chinese are doing that faster and cheaper than i could
22:55 binary_glitch well it would move along x and pivot from flat on x to y but not need z.... it wouldn't be that cool of an arm, minimal required to perform it's task, but the servo in the socket is good, I like it... and as far as research, I'm looking for an MPELEMENTATION that is nothing like what I've found in my research of home automation...
22:55 robotustra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MteSlpxCpo
22:55 MrCurious because it is a dumb way to do home autimation
22:55 MrCurious you will end up pinching a childs finger or breaking it with your robot arm
22:55 MrCurious then get sued
22:55 MrCurious lose your kids
22:56 robotustra he is half mexican, what do you want form him
22:56 MrCurious end up living under a bridge, smoking crack, and mumbling to yourself as if you had a BT headset
22:56 MrCurious PERFECTION!
22:56 MrCurious the desire for perfection
22:57 robotustra binary_glitch: RULE#4: If many people say you that your IDEA is stupid - most probably it is so...
22:57 MrCurious your robot arm automation idea works ok for flipping it one way, but not for the other way without attaching the switch to the arm, and thereby making it non human interactable
22:58 binary_glitch what makes it dumb? why? why does the robot enthusiast (must have been popular in school) find it in his/her heart to now become the bully?
22:58 binary_glitch tell that to wasniack
22:58 robotustra I thinks I have to write a booklet with rooles
22:58 binary_glitch I know I probably murdered the spelling on his name
22:58 binary_glitch sorry
22:58 robotustra woznyak
22:59 Curious takes a hammer to his own nutt sack. i wouldnt want to have a child and have it grow up in a world full of such mo
22:59 robotustra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE2GCa-_nyU
22:59 MrCurious love that version
23:00 binary_glitch well you have my addy, get to fax'n that pizza billy
23:00 MrCurious she has a nice skyrom remake
23:00 MrCurious and the band with her pentatonic is also quite good
23:01 robotustra plastic violing
23:01 robotustra plastic violin
23:01 MrCurious carbon fber
23:01 robotustra disgusting
23:01 robotustra stradivary rolling in the coffin
23:01 binary_glitch I like somebody's tast in music... thx to whoever's link I just followed.
23:01 Fiesta i think the most unnerving thing about printed contacts, is that they essentially give you the look of paralysed irises, your pupils no longer emote in response to anything
23:02 MrCurious glitch, go make something, come back do some show and tell, then we can join in. right now you are just a abad idea with no tangiable results.
23:02 MrCurious uncanny
23:02 MrCurious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MteSlpxCpo
23:02 MrCurious speaking of uncanny contacts
23:03 robotustra yeah, we can kick yout brilliant idea to death
23:04 MrCurious eventually it will become like sport
23:04 rue_shop2 thats not hte robot eye video AGAIN is it?
23:04 MrCurious daft punk - pentatonix
23:04 robotustra no
23:04 MrCurious rue: watch it and fall in lust with the blue hair chic
23:04 Fiesta no it's the barber-shop cover of variosu daft punk songs
23:05 robotustra I have to upgrade my CNC till the stage I can make violins on it
23:05 MrCurious AUTO-TUNE detected
23:06 binary_glitch you guys have no vision... it is not about the destination, it's not even about the jenery, it's about that non-tangible thing you get when you arive... so whatever I'ma go fuck around on #defocus if you need me.
23:06 MrCurious wait
23:06 MrCurious quick question....
23:06 MrCurious what might we need you for?
23:06 binary_glitch .../leave #robotics
23:06 binary_glitch what
23:07 GargantuaSauce yes, these guys that actually make this shit that works "have no vision"
23:07 GargantuaSauce thx bro
23:07 robotustra he has, leave him
23:07 MrCurious i think he meant binary_glitch
23:07 robotustra he's just a kid
23:08 GargantuaSauce enjoy making printer firmware toggle a light switch
23:08 MrCurious a 30 yeaar old kid with kids
23:08 robotustra I HAVE VISION http://postimg.org/image/pahspf7nb/full/
23:08 robotustra soon
23:08 MrCurious thats not only vision, thats STEREO vision
23:08 GargantuaSauce <---- trolled
23:08 MrCurious damn good work robotustra
23:09 MrCurious time for some die antwoord
23:09 MrCurious he failed to leave. anyone have the "power" to give him an assisted exit? :)
23:09 MrCurious oh snap, he left
23:09 GargantuaSauce he left with a snarky message
23:10 MrCurious yeah, i have one of those vision bosses
23:16 MrCurious we should call binart_glitch back and ask him to be our leader, because we need vision like he has...
23:18 MrCurious a moment to remind you exactly why you entertain this robotic hobby... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHF3X8tQYPU
23:19 GargantuaSauce i don't need a video for that, i just need to fire up my control software and watch my hexapod march across the floor as i play with a joystick
23:19 GargantuaSauce stompstompstompstompstompstompstomp
23:19 GargantuaSauce i should really make a video
23:19 GargantuaSauce even though the control sucks balls at the moment
23:19 MrCurious a dance video, with horrible music!
23:19 MrCurious spider dance
23:20 GargantuaSauce i am going to make a dance video with awesome music once i get onboard control happening
23:20 MrCurious better yet... 20 hex's line dancing....
23:20 GargantuaSauce okay you can throw $6000 at me
23:20 MrCurious to horrible country music like cotton eyed joe
23:20 GargantuaSauce well make it 7, i forgot all the other components
23:21 GargantuaSauce (and i would totally just make one or two awesome ones instead of 20 of the current shitty variety)
23:23 MrCurious perhaps a game of battle bots, but with hex''s
23:23 MrCurious what armaments would an outside the box thinker put on a hex?
23:23 MrCurious plasma cutter? saw?
23:24 Fiesta screwdriver melles would be hilarious
23:24 Fiesta dexterity challenge
23:25 MrCurious oh! spot selders with output sent to 2 arms
23:25 MrCurious like spider fighting
23:26 MrCurious would need 8 legs
23:26 MrCurious 6 for walking 2 for fighting
23:26 Fiesta walk with 4
23:26 MrCurious suppose
23:26 Fiesta well... ok if you can afford the overheads to have spot welders on yoru hexapod yeah ok you can afford 2 more legs
23:27 Fiesta i give you that :)
23:28 MrCurious suppose would be nice to have rockets on each leg to give it hover... but i have no idea how to do that. perhaps a printer? we should ask binary_glitch
23:28 Fiesta a printer on each leg
23:28 GargantuaSauce no i'll buy a dji phantom and use its controller
23:29 Fiesta modular legs, one on each light switch. This hexapod design is very innovative you are all jealous of my visions
23:37 Fiesta nah but enthusiastic kids like binary_glitch brainstorming their ideas, it's definintely a part of our landscape. But yeah i can see how it gets in the way
23:38 Fiesta depends how well you get along with kids
23:38 Fiesta he was a child though right?
23:38 MrCurious he said he was 30s with kids and an imaginary BS from MIT
23:38 Fiesta i never caught his age
23:39 Fiesta i think that was an iron-man reference that unfortunately fell flat
23:40 MrCurious very flat
23:40 MrCurious i asked for his education level and age so we could better target our responses in language he would understand
23:40 Fiesta as it went on, i was never entirely sure if it was an adult aspie, or a kid
23:41 MrCurious seemed like a kid to me
23:41 Fiesta no offence to aspies here, but it was a gut feeling i was getting from how he talked
23:41 Fiesta yeah ok
23:45 GargantuaSauce well and he was also stoned for the second part
23:46 Fiesta you americans must get a lot of precocious kids though, so you must know howto deal with them better i'd expect
23:47 Fiesta seems to be a cultural thing there
23:48 Fiesta u know... encouraged. "I AM TEH GREATEST!" etc
23:49 MrCurious perhaps there should be a protcol for just such situations
23:49 Fiesta a nursery channel
23:50 MrCurious so #robotics and #pretend_robotics
23:50 Fiesta #my_first_robotics
23:50 MrCurious #lego
23:51 Fiesta i dunno man, i just think it's important to foster enthusiastic kids, try not to stomp em too hard
23:51 MrCurious i tried to foster, but i have no patience for circular converation
23:51 MrCurious conversation is a multiplayer game. when done in single player mode, it doesnt work
23:52 Fiesta with kids, yeah you kinda gotta play that single-player with em pretending it's multiplayer.
23:52 Fiesta requires patience like you mentioned
23:52 MrCurious i did 3 trips through the loop... isnt that patience?
23:53 Fiesta heh. well yeah. but not for a parent :P
23:53 Fiesta never-ending loops for years
23:53 MrCurious when they are 2 - 9 that is expected
23:53 Fiesta i imagine. (<-- is not actually a parent)
23:54 MrCurious but when they hit teens, they are expected to team play
23:54 Fiesta gets testy there though a they learn
23:54 MrCurious and when they lie... all bets off
23:54 Fiesta *as they learn
23:55 Fiesta true, lies are stepping over the line a bit
23:55 Fiesta i mean... you can't be everyone's mommy
23:55 MrCurious he said he was 30+ and in doing so asked to be treated as such
23:56 MrCurious ok, i am content in the PMD of the happening.
23:57 GargantuaSauce man i wish my upstream bandwidth didn't suck so much