#robotics Logs

Nov 01 2013

00:02 GargantuaSauce I can't find any info on one existing here
00:03 katsmeow-afk GargantuaSauce , afaik the last upgrade of powerlines when they replaced the big bridge last time, was to hvdc
00:04 katsmeow-afk Cross-Skagerrak consists of 3 poles, from which 2 are switched in parallel and the third uses an opposite polarity with a higher transmission voltage. A similar arrangement was the HVDC Inter-Island in New Zealand after a capacity upgrade in 1992
00:05 katsmeow-afk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects
00:06 GargantuaSauce nope, the bridge was never replaced and it has 138kV ac lines
00:07 GargantuaSauce there's some further east according to that list but none here :[
00:09 katsmeow-afk On June 1, 1997, the Confederation Bridge opened, connecting Borden-Carleton to Cape Jourimain, New Brunswick. The longest bridge over ice covered waters in the world,[55] it replaced the Marine Atlantic ferry service.
00:12 katsmeow-afk quebec has many HVDC lines, even into the usa, i'm sure they have dc out to PEI
00:13 GargantuaSauce ok thank you for the conjecture
00:14 katsmeow-afk i recall reading of it
00:15 GargantuaSauce there was a proposal to upgrade our power supply from the mainland but its funding was rejected by the federal government
00:15 GargantuaSauce because developing infrastructure in backwater regions is not a priority apparently
00:16 katsmeow-afk The Island is largely dependent on imported power from NB Power generation facilities in New Brunswick. Two submarine power lines provide more than 80% of the provincial load.
00:18 GargantuaSauce http://www.gov.pe.ca/energy/js/chart.php
00:19 katsmeow-afk This interconnection consists of two 23 km (14 mi) 138 kilovolt oil-filled submarine transmission cables installed 1975-78 under the Northumberland Strait at the western end of the Abegweit Passage between Murray Corner, New Brunswick and Fernwood, Prince Edward Island.
00:20 katsmeow-afk but i could swear new lines were laid in the 1990's
00:23 katsmeow-afk It should be noted here that if the
00:23 katsmeow-afk new cable were to be installed in or along the structure of the Confederation Bridge, the risk
00:23 katsmeow-afk of a long supply disruption is decreased significantly as the cable would be much easier to
00:23 katsmeow-afk repair year-round.
00:23 katsmeow-afk The Commission emphasizes that the feasibility of installing the cable in or
00:23 katsmeow-afk along the Confederation Bridge should continue to be pursued notwithstanding the report by
00:23 katsmeow-afk Buckland and Taylor Ltd. which indicated that the installation of the cable in the bridge�s utility
00:23 katsmeow-afk corridor could weaken the structure.
00:24 katsmeow-afk When a new cable is installed, it is expected to utilize much of the existing land-based
00:24 katsmeow-afk interconnection and transmission infrastructure. As a submarine installation, the proposed
00:24 katsmeow-afk capacity of the new cable is 150 MW at an estimated project cost of $77 million. The
00:24 katsmeow-afk preferred approach, which is to install the cable in or along the Confederation Bridge
00:25 katsmeow-afk which is why i believe the line was installed there and at that time, and it was HVDC because the powqerco in Quebec serves NB with hvdc
00:26 katsmeow-afk http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/NRGCommish_13.pdf
00:35 katsmeow-afk These four major transmission concepts were evaluated for the medium and long term resource
00:35 katsmeow-afk scenarios:
00:35 katsmeow-afk � A Second Intertie with New Brunswick which would be required in the long term
00:35 katsmeow-afk (after 2015), but could be advanced to medium term (around 2013);
00:35 katsmeow-afk Importing transmission link from Newfoundland (+/- 450 HVDC submarine cable &
00:35 katsmeow-afk overhead line) that would be required for power imports from the Lower Churchill
00:35 katsmeow-afk hydro project; and
00:35 katsmeow-afk � Direct submarine cable from southern Nova Scotia to New England (+/- 450 HVDC
00:35 katsmeow-afk submarine cables)
00:38 katsmeow-afk New Brunswick is interconnected to neighbouring power systems in Qu�bec, New England,
00:38 katsmeow-afk Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Northern Maine, and Eastern Maine. The Qu�bec interface
00:38 katsmeow-afk is made up of two HVDC stations: Madawaska HVDC on the Qu�bec side, and the Eel River
00:38 katsmeow-afk HVDC on the New Brunswick side.
00:38 katsmeow-afk Figure 3-1, Figure 3-2 and Table 3-2 present the
00:38 katsmeow-afk interconnection transfer capability between New Brunswick and neighbouring systems. The
00:38 katsmeow-afk Nova Scotia interface was discussed previously in Section 2. The Qu�bec NB transfer
00:38 katsmeow-afk capability is comprised of 750 MW HVDC service and 350 MW of NB load that can be radially
00:38 katsmeow-afk synchronized to NB.
00:39 tsmeow-afk is looking at a complete map of NB grid, with capacities
00:39 katsmeow-afk ditto Nova Scotia
00:40 katsmeow-afk Nalcor Energy is simultaneously pursuing several transmission corridors and customers. One of
00:40 katsmeow-afk the planning concepts under investigation is to develop an overhead/submarine HVDC link at
00:40 katsmeow-afk +/- 450 kV from Gull in Labrador to Soldiers Pond in Newfoundland, carrying on to a third
00:40 katsmeow-afk terminal somewhere in the Canadian Maritimes, with a possible termination point at one of
00:40 katsmeow-afk Sydney, Onslow, or Salisbury.
00:42 katsmeow-afk One concept is to transmit the
00:42 katsmeow-afk power using HVDC submarine cable from Newfoundland to Cape Breton along with overhead DC
00:42 katsmeow-afk transmission from Cape Breton to Onslow to Brushy Hill.
00:42 katsmeow-afk If it is assumed that the power is priced and delivered to Nova Scotia
00:42 katsmeow-afk at Onslow on the HVDC system, then the internal transmission costs would be in the order of $300
00:42 katsmeow-afk Million.
00:43 katsmeow-afk i see themap route for the +/- 450kv DC system all over NB and NS
00:44 katsmeow-afk one across to Labrado too
00:45 katsmeow-afk anyhow, with all teh talk and proposals and suggestions and calculations about it going in, even site planning along the new bridge, i assumed it actually happened
00:46 katsmeow-afk there's even a line on the map for aproposed hvdc submarine cable from south NS to Masachusetts
00:53 katsmeow-afk All of the foregoing power transmission capacities
00:53 katsmeow-afk were again surpassed by that of the dc submarine cable link between England and
00:53 katsmeow-afk France commissioned in 1961 [45]. The oil-impregnated-paper cables spanned a total
00:53 katsmeow-afk distance of 52 km across the English Channel and were rated to deliver a maximum
00:53 katsmeow-afk power of 160 MW at an operating voltage of �100 kV dc.
00:53 katsmeow-afk increased markedly with each
00:53 katsmeow-afk rise in the ac or dc transmission voltage of the cables [46]. For example, the capacity of
00:53 katsmeow-afk the �450-kV dc submarine cable intertie across the St. Lawrence River between Quebec
00:53 katsmeow-afk and the New England states, commissioned in 1992, is 2000 MW [47].
00:53 katsmeow-afk An interesting submarine cable design has been used in the crossing between New
00:53 katsmeow-afk Brunswick and Prince Edward Island across the Northumberland Strait. Rated at
00:53 katsmeow-afk 138 kV, two three-phase cables of the construction portrayed in Fig. 1.19 were laid
00:53 katsmeow-afk to span a length of 13.5 miles.
00:59 Duzz Has anyone used Intersil chips before? looking at http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/fn39/fn3976.pdf as a potential H-bridge
01:00 katsmeow-afk P.E.I. seeks federal help in plans for power transmission line to New Brunswick
01:00 katsmeow-afk Sept 3, 2009 - The Associated Press
01:00 katsmeow-afk Prince Edward Island has requested federal stimulus funding for a new energy transmission line to New Brunswick so the Island can export more wind power to New England.
01:01 katsmeow-afk Canada's National Energy Board approves International Power Line
01:01 katsmeow-afk Sep 7, 2006 - National Energy Board - Canadian News Wire
01:01 katsmeow-afk Canada's National Energy Board has approved Sea Breeze Converter Corporation's application to
01:01 katsmeow-afk construct and operate a 150-kV HVDC international power line (IPL) between Vancouver Island and
01:01 katsmeow-afk Washington State.
01:01 katsmeow-afk September 30, 2000 - ABB
01:01 katsmeow-afk HVDC Light technology key to 40-kilometer subsea link
01:01 katsmeow-afk Zurich, Switzerland - ABB, the global technology company, has won a US$ 120-million order to supply the transmission system for the HVDC (high-voltage direct current) Cross-Sound Cable subsea power interconnection linking Connecticut and Long Island, New York, in the U.S.
01:14 Duzz o/
02:09 theBear arg, someone help ! what's the secret to alignment/assembly for a 3 layer (each the same ratio/sizes as one another) planetary gearbox ?
02:11 theBear rue_house, ?
02:35 GargantuaSauce those are fiddly. try working from the other end
02:49 theBear mmm, i can physically get it together, but it seems the 'tiniest' of changes in relationship makes it go from smooth as silk to not wanting to move at all, and pretty/very sure i'm not misaligning and 'skipping' a tooth.... bit of reading around suggests this is normal behaviour for things like minor changes to the relationships between layers, but i can't workout what it should be, tho i'm starting to
02:49 theBear think they should all be tooth for tooth perfectly aligned at one (3 i suppose, for 3 with 3 internal cogs each) point in the rotation, that way they evenly tense against one another and encourage everything to self-centre and share load (all plastic therefore it doesn't take much to make it rough
02:50 evil_dan2wik The grease in this gear box is full of metal shavings, If I clean it out, what can I replace it with?
02:51 evil_dan2wik Its a 2 speed gear box from a drill.
02:53 theBear i'm gonna go with, your favourite grease that is compatible with the materials involved and of an appropriate viscosity
02:54 theBear that's pretty much how i choose all my lubes, including today, if i can workout the 'invisible' change that makes these things go from perfect to useless in an instant when i slip them to pieces and back together
02:55 evil_dan2wik I was looking at someone else's gear box and it is usually a miss alignment or spot without lube
02:55 evil_dan2wik My grand dad said that the grease I wanted to use was not a high speed grease.
02:57 theBear i'm not too used to REALLY highspeed stuff, but i spose it's mostly about (too much) viscosity causing resistance/friction
03:41 evil_dan2wik theBear, The grease I have here is pretty viscos until it reaches around 50C.
03:42 evil_dan2wik Should be right to put it in as long as I warm it up prior to battling?
03:54 Tom_itx http://www.electronicproducts.com/Digital_ICs/Microprocessors_Microcontrollers_DSPs/Introducing_Intel_39_s_Galileo_Development_Board.aspx
04:12 theBear sounds like your man knows more than me, but if you can 'comfortably' spin it by hand with the grease on there it's probably fine... not like those drills/gearboxes spin freely
10:48 defaultro morning folks
11:32 defaultro GuShH: I think I know why my vfd was turning off. I re-measured the pins where the vfd was connected, arduino's 5v+ was only giving 4.24v. When stepper motor starts, it drops to 4.1v. Looks the vfd requires at least 4.24v above continuously
11:58 GuShH defaultro: you have a voltage drop which could be attributed to a few things, one of which is your jumper wires which are too thin for the current
11:58 defaultro yes
11:58 GuShH you are using the cheapest available which are ok for small signal work
11:58 defaultro that's what I am going to try tonight
11:58 GuShH use solid core wire from cat5
11:58 defaultro i was only using a solid wire from an ethernet cable
11:58 GuShH and for anything over 500mA a breadboard is asking for trouble anyway
11:59 defaultro oh k
11:59 GuShH anything high power should be prototyped on a cheap matrix board instead
11:59 GuShH (high power or mains anyway)
11:59 defaultro never heard of that. I want one
11:59 GuShH you'll need to start soldering then heh
11:59 defaultro can you please show me a link.
11:59 GuShH it's a board with a hole matrix
11:59 defaultro oh, the one that looks like a pcb?
11:59 defaultro and tons of holes?
12:00 GuShH http://www.petervis.com/electronics/PCB_Universal_Prototype_Paper_Matrix_Circuit_Board_Stripboard_50x70mm/Prototype_Matrix_Board_Stripboard/Prototype_Paper_Matrix_Circuit_Board.gif
12:00 defaultro yeah, that's what I meant :D
12:00 GuShH strip board is similar but has a series of holes connected, which make it easier to work with on some projects
12:00 defaultro awesome, I will try moving them out of the breadboard :D
12:00 defaultro maybe 22 or 20g would be perfect
12:00 defaultro wire
12:00 defaultro the ones I got are so thin
12:00 GuShH you can find where the drop is, with your multimeter
12:01 defaultro here is what I did
12:01 defaultro i have a wire from the 5v+ of arduino going to the + on breadboard
12:01 defaultro then I added 2 open wires on breadboards' + and -
12:01 GuShH you shouldn't power your motor from that rail anyway
12:01 defaultro oh
12:02 defaultro why?
12:02 defaultro that's how I am doing it
12:02 GuShH it's not meant for power applications
12:02 defaultro what should be the proper way?
12:02 GuShH a separate supply with shared ground
12:02 GuShH you are most likely also hitting the current limit which is why the voltage is dropping
12:02 defaultro so I'll connect the center taps wire to the new power supply?
12:02 GuShH but then again I know nothing about the arduino power supply, I assume it's a linear regulator ldo
12:03 defaultro i don't know too
12:03 GuShH (I'm proud not to know about the arduino)
12:03 defaultro :D hehehe why
12:03 GuShH Means I stayed true to my word
12:03 defaultro i'm new to electronics, What is wrong with arduinoi?
12:03 GuShH It's a trap, not a tool.
12:03 defaultro trap in what way?
12:04 GuShH you won't learn much if everything is fed on a silverish looking spoon.
12:04 defaultro got it
12:04 defaultro but how will i be able to do the same program if i didn't use arduino?
12:04 GuShH silverish since it's actually lead, arduino is poisonous.
12:04 defaultro k
12:04 defaultro but definitely would love to be able to do the same thing without using arduino
12:04 GuShH you can use the arduino just to program your microcontrollers
12:04 GuShH ignoring their poorly written libraries and retarded community
12:05 GuShH you'll get to it
12:05 defaultro I got lost when you said "you can use the arduino just to program your microcontrollers"
12:05 GuShH just know it's not the way, it's just "a way" meant for hipsters to get by :p
12:05 defaultro yes, i agree
12:05 defaultro and I would like to try
12:05 defaultro but not sure how to start
12:06 defaultro so instead of arduino, what should I get?
12:06 GuShH defaultro: arduino is just a highly commercial version of a dev board served with shitty code
12:07 defaultro k. I wasn't aware
12:07 GuShH you can use it as a programmer instead and work on your own
12:07 GuShH it just uses an AVR microcontroller
12:07 defaultro i got confused there
12:07 GuShH well that's the thing I'm not sure they want you to know
12:07 GuShH that's how they've made millions
12:07 GuShH by keeping people ignorant.
12:07 GuShH by SHIELDING YOU from the truth!
12:07 GuShH OH PRAISE THE LAWD
12:07 defaultro i agree
12:07 ShH wiggles
12:08 defaultro if i'm not going to use arduino, what will i use?
12:08 GuShH It's OK if you are getting things done, keep working with it until you get sick and tired, then try working with your bare AVRs and use it as a simple programming link
12:08 defaultro i got confused when you said i can use arduino to program
12:08 defaultro ok
12:08 defaultro which part is the AVR on my arduino?
12:09 defaultro is it the 48-50 pin ic?
12:09 GuShH defaultro: it's just a programmer bundled with software and sold as an all in one magic solution to those who know very little about electronics, since they can buy shields for just about anything and spend 300 bucks on something that should've cost them 30
12:09 GuShH yes the big IC in the middle is the microcontroller
12:09 GuShH it's just an AVR (atmega)
12:09 defaultro ok
12:09 GuShH there are many companies and many types of controllers in general
12:10 GuShH I guess their code is ok for non demanding projects and for those who don't want to solder or argue it's faster to "rapid prototype" like this
12:10 defaultro so when I built my code in arduino, where does the compiled code gets stored and executed?
12:10 GuShH But the annoying part is that they end up putting it all in a tupperware and calling it done, then they go ahead and buy everything again
12:10 GuShH that's wrong at so many levels.
12:10 defaultro got it
12:10 defaultro I agree with you
12:10 defaultro i want to do it professionally eventually
12:11 GuShH defaultro: there's a bootloader and other crap in between, but it's uploaded to the controller where it runs
12:11 defaultro and willing to work long hours to learn
12:11 GuShH (it's got flash, rom, etc. depending on the model)
12:12 GuShH now if you wanted a pure link to your microcontroller, and if you wanted to keep working with AVRs... try tom-itx's usbtiny mk2 programmer
12:12 GuShH http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
12:12 defaultro cool
12:13 defaultro looking now
12:13 GuShH I'm not affiliated to his work, he is often available in this channel though.
12:13 GuShH I just know it's a good product
12:13 defaultro so that stuff you posted, will it be able to do the same thing I've been doing?
12:13 defaultro i mean, will it help me to program?
12:13 GuShH you can use the arduino as a simple programmer as well
12:14 GuShH I'm sure there's a lot of information out there about this.
12:14 GuShH Most likely not at to be found at the #arduino channel though
12:14 defaultro k
12:15 defaultro i'm building a camera slider and it's working great using arduino. So if I remove arduino, and keep all other parts, using this TinyUSB, what can I use to build similar?
12:15 GuShH you have to understand the development and manufacturing process first
12:15 GuShH these are development tools, some are prototyping tools
12:16 defaultro k
12:16 GuShH the idea is to have it all quickly setup to allow you to easily get started on a project
12:16 defaultro k
12:17 defaultro alright GuShH , I'm taking off early. Found out today is no work. Just 4 of us here at work. I'll be online around 2:30 central
12:17 defaultro awesome chat! :) Thanks!
12:17 GuShH that means power supply, all the circuit handling the microcontroller, interface to the microcontroller, etc.
12:17 defaultro got it
12:17 defaultro that would be really cool
12:17 GuShH heh, hey we've got a massive storm here... can't do anything today
12:17 defaultro were you at?
12:17 GuShH Argentina sadly
12:18 defaultro ok
12:18 defaultro awesome bro, I'll see you in a bit
12:18 defaultro thanks
12:18 GuShH bye
12:31 katsmeow-afk http://www.space.com/23419-hybrid-solar-eclipse-visibility-images-november-3-2013.html <<== if your robots orient on astronautical sighting, you need this
12:41 GargantuaSauce_ overcast and raining that day :(
14:46 MrCurious another day in terrordise
19:24 GuShH how the hell do 3 stage air pumps work...
19:24 GuShH are they similar to hydraulic jacks but with air as the fluid?
19:27 defaultro fyi GuShH , i found out the currect that my whole system using when stepper motor is running and arduino, it's 1.22A
19:28 GuShH way too much for those tiny jumpers heh
19:29 GuShH they are acting as heavily parasitic resistors at that point
19:29 GuShH (alright inductors as well, but irrelevant here)
19:33 katsmeow-afk and you are running on 4 F cells??
19:58 Duzz Has anyone had any experience with an H-bridge failing?
20:00 katsmeow-afk nope, i do not make H-bridges that fail
20:01 Duzz just want to know what the most common failure mode for one is
20:01 Tom_itx zero crossover is the killer... the deadband or lack of it
20:02 katsmeow-afk and high voltage kickback
20:02 katsmeow-afk and the pass transistors not saturating fast enough, and not opening fast enough
20:03 Duzz thanks, my only worry is temperature or radiation as a failure cause
20:03 Triffid_Hunter Duzz: most failures cause them to emit fire
20:04 Triffid_Hunter Duzz: ionizing radiation is rather unlikely, or electronics would be classified rather differently by governments ;)
20:04 katsmeow-afk radiation? don't run them in a nuke reactor or outside the van allen belts
20:05 defaultro katsmeow-afk: I hope I can ask for your thoughts about this product that will be used to drive a 12v stepper motor - https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11699
20:06 katsmeow-afk i would build my own, and make it MUCH stronger than 2 amps
20:06 Duzz total ionizing does shouldnt be an issue at 600km accidental over temp is more likely
20:06 Duzz dose
20:06 defaultro oh ok
20:06 katsmeow-afk the smallest h-bridge pass i'd use is TIP42- or IRFZ44
20:07 defaultro can you help me if it's ok? or do you have some schematics already?
20:07 katsmeow-afk i think i lack the ability to help you any more
20:07 defaultro ok :)
20:07 defaultro maybe you can give me the part and I can do some research
20:08 GargantuaSauce_ monolithic stepper drivers like that are very convenient
20:08 defaultro someone the other told me to use A4892 or something
20:08 katsmeow-afk damnit, i just did
20:08 katsmeow-afk then use whatever you wish to use, or whatever someone else forces you to use
20:08 defaultro you did?
20:08 defaultro was this for me? the smallest h-bridge pass i'd use is TIP42- or IRFZ44
20:08 GargantuaSauce_ considering where you are right now defaultro i'd say use a thing like you linked
20:09 defaultro k
20:09 katsmeow-afk i have used up to MJ11015/16, on 1 hp 100v motors, not surface mounting stuff
20:09 GargantuaSauce_ pololu makes some similar ones that are cheaper
20:09 defaultro wow, that's is awesome
20:10 defaultro what are these called? http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MJ11015-140V-30A-200W-Darlington-BY-MOTOROLA-LOT-OF-4-/00/s/MTE5NVgxNjAw/z/WDMAAOxy5P9RG8x6/$T2eC16RHJHYE9nzpdVQHBRG8)5f0Yg~~60_35.JPG
20:10 defaultro are they also called transistors?
20:10 defaultro ok GargantuaSauce_
20:12 katsmeow-afk that is why i cannot help you, you are incapable of looking up things by yourself
20:12 katsmeow-afk and i cannot bottle feed you
20:13 defaultro it's ok
20:13 defaultro sorry
20:17 defaultro ah, if it is 16, then it's the same as my tip122 since tip122 is npn - http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MJ11012-D.PDF
20:18 defaultro and yes, it's a transistor :)
20:18 GargantuaSauce_ it's a darlington transistor
20:18 defaultro i've always seen the word darlington. What is it really?
20:18 GargantuaSauce_ which is really two BJTs getting freaky
20:19 katsmeow-afk GargantuaSauce_ , i gave him the url for transistors yesterday, he has not read it
20:19 defaultro i did, I learned pnp and npn
20:19 katsmeow-afk it has a pic of TO-3 trasistors, and it says : Darlington transistors are two BJTs connected together to provide a high current gain equal to the product of the current gains of the two transistors.
20:20 katsmeow-afk two items of data he has shown to not know in the last 5 minutes
20:20 defaultro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor
20:21 katsmeow-afk yep
20:22 defaultro that's how I learned that there are different types of transistors. I also learned last night what diode does. I found a really nice animation. It blocks flow of current
20:22 defaultro allows only 1 way
20:22 defaultro now I know why you made the diagram like that
20:22 defaultro i was wondering last night though why you put two in searis ----->|-->|--------
20:22 defaultro series
20:23 katsmeow-afk no, i made the current source diagram with two diodes because 2 will drop 1.4 volts
20:23 defaultro got it
20:23 katsmeow-afk no you don't
20:23 defaultro my visual memory might be wrong, looking at it again
20:24 katsmeow-afk and you do not understand how the circuit works
20:24 defaultro found it, http://designerthinking.com/images/IMG_2089.jpg
20:24 defaultro see, they are in series
20:24 katsmeow-afk yeas, a very simple current source
20:25 katsmeow-afk i did not say they were not in series
20:25 defaultro yup, I wasn't questiioning about it. I was just thinking why it was like that
20:25 katsmeow-afk what i said was they are not there to block voltage ion one way
20:26 tsmeow-afk sighs and puts defaultro on ignore because he cannot self-l
20:26 defaultro ouch
20:26 defaultro it's ok
23:14 GuShH defaultro: I think most people are on katsmeow-afk's ignore list... turns out she's the problem, not the world.
23:14 GuShH and she's angry at the world, which doesn't help.
23:14 defaultro ok :)
23:14 defaultro I'm actually a very happy guy when you meet me real in person
23:14 ShH just spilled his macchiato and blames it on katsmeow
23:15 defaultro i'm a very kind person and willing to learn
23:15 GuShH ...it was actually a cluttered countertop, but it's easier to blame katsmeow-afk.
23:15 GargantuaSauce_ huh
23:16 GargantuaSauce_ my multimeter just decided to display OL and beep angrily when measuring the output of my atx-come-bench ps
23:16 GuShH that's not bad, it just told you it's out of range
23:16 GargantuaSauce_ freaked out and thought it might be passing through ac or something but multimeter #2 says it's fine
23:16 GuShH -or wrong mode-
23:16 GuShH say ohms measuring volts
23:16 GargantuaSauce_ it was in vdc mode
23:17 GuShH if it's auto ranging maybe you had it on manual range
23:17 GargantuaSauce_ nope
23:17 GargantuaSauce_ it's just being a piece of shit
23:17 GuShH maybe the contacts are dirty on the rotary switch
23:18 GuShH ol is just "over limit"
23:18 GargantuaSauce_ i know, but 12v shouldn't be :)
23:18 GuShH if the contacts are dirty it may still think it's on a lower range
23:18 GargantuaSauce_ it's auto ranging, have to press beepy buttons to specify a range and i didn't
23:19 GuShH it's still your fault!
23:19 GargantuaSauce_ it's probably the switch being loose or dirty yeah, could have been in resistance mode and i didnt notice
23:19 GargantuaSauce_ cant we just blame kat for that too
23:19 GuShH yes we can
23:19 GargantuaSauce_ ok deal
23:20 katsmeow-afk ???
23:20 GargantuaSauce_ it's all your fault
23:20 katsmeow-afk what is? why?
23:21 GargantuaSauce_ I will answer that the way I answer most interrogative statements. With a counter-question. Why not?
23:24 ItsAllMyFault i dunno, why not?
23:38 GargantuaSauce_ http://www.goodluckbuy.com/18dof-six-feet-6legged-intelligent-robot-spider-metal-frame-kit-w-bearing-and-horn-and-servo-silver.html
23:38 GargantuaSauce_ shiiiieeetttt
23:44 MrCurious didnt you just buy a bunch of bracketed servo's
23:44 MrCurious :D
23:44 Duzz 18DOF..... ?
23:44 GargantuaSauce_ yes and they've been in the mail for a damn month
23:44 MrCurious did you order them from the wrong placce?
23:45 GargantuaSauce_ no, i just should have chosen ems i guess
23:46 GargantuaSauce_ they shipped relatively promptly but they're sitting in a warehouse or something i imagine
23:46 GargantuaSauce_ will probably bug dx on monday
23:47 MrCurious run the tracking number
23:48 MrCurious with dx, i choose mail
23:48 MrCurious comes fast
23:48 GargantuaSauce_ 2013/09/27 10:42 CNSZXA,China International item has left originating country and is en route to Canada
23:52 MrCurious 2 - 5 more days, and you have it
23:53 GargantuaSauce_ note the month
23:53 MrCurious oh
23:53 MrCurious it fell off the boat
23:53 MrCurious should let em know it never came :D
23:53 GargantuaSauce_ yeah
23:54 MrCurious or its in a canadian customs office waiting for you to ransom it
23:54 GargantuaSauce_ there was chinaholiday in the middle so i was willing to give it some slack but this is definitely too long
23:54 GargantuaSauce_ nah it'd say so in the tracking
23:54 GargantuaSauce_ if it was going the other way around the world i'd happily blame militants with RPGs but it's not, and also not a shipment of cigarettes