#robotics Logs

Sep 29 2013

02:33 MrCurious next to shard it
02:43 GargantuaSauce cd ..
02:43 GargantuaSauce fuck
02:44 MrCurious yup
06:27 _bryan hi
06:28 _bryan any dutch people here?
06:28 uehuehue Maybe.
06:29 _bryan I'm looking to buy the solderless breadboard wires but I dunno where to find them in this country
06:29 uehuehue ebay?
06:29 _bryan I'd rather goto a store
06:29 uehuehue Things can be shipped across the world now-a-days
06:30 uehuehue You can get reels of cheap breadboard wire delivered within a few days of purchase.
06:30 _bryan true
06:30 _bryan well I also just wanted a store so I had a goto location for misc supplies
06:30 zap0 i bought a breadboard online, with a bag of wires.. cost a few monies.. arrived in 4 days.
06:32 zap0 just cause some company looks like they are in china doesn't always mean stock is sent from china.... sometimes it's already locally stored and can arrive in 2 days
06:32 uehuehue Magic.
06:33 joga surely there's electronics shops there
06:33 uehuehue I find that ebay is much much cheaper
06:33 _bryan well I went to the local one here and they said they don't carry the solderless breadboard wires
06:33 uehuehue electronics shops mark up prices quite a bit because its such a small market
06:33 _bryan I haven't used ebay because I can't link my bank account to my paypal account
06:33 _bryan and I have no credit card
06:34 uehuehue Do you have a debit card?
06:34 joga visa electron is enough
06:34 uehuehue Yeah
06:34 _bryan I'm not really sure what'd you'd call the dutch payment medium
06:34 _bryan I can't use it as a debit card though
06:34 uehuehue Do you have a bank card that says VISA and Electron on it?
06:34 _bryan no
06:34 _bryan maestro
06:35 uehuehue Check if paypal allows it. I'm 95% sure it will.
06:35 uehuehue If you can use that card in a shop, paypal will accept it
06:35 _bryan I'll try setting up an account again
06:35 uehuehue Also never link paypal to your bank account. They can freeze it if they want.
06:36 _bryan well I normally wouldn't anyway. I emigrated from the US to NL. in the US I had a credit card
06:36 _bryan but I rarely have the need for one here
06:36 _bryan so I never bothered to apply for one
06:36 uehuehue As I said, if you can use the card you have at a shop then paypal should accept it
06:39 _bryan doens't work
06:39 uehuehue Why nt?
06:39 _bryan theres no option in paypal for maestro
06:40 uehuehue Your card doesn't say VISA anywhere?
06:40 _bryan no
06:40 uehuehue Link your bank account then
06:40 _bryan even my bank's website says you ever have to use a credit card or bank account in combination with a paypal account
06:40 _bryan yea it doesn't let me do that
06:40 _bryan and it doesn't explain why
06:41 _bryan it just gives me a generic error message
06:41 uehuehue What error message?
06:41 _bryan 'An error has occured'
06:41 uehuehue ( ._.) wat.
06:41 _bryan yea, my response too
06:42 uehuehue Try again
06:43 uehuehue You must have done something wrong
06:43 _bryan I had this same problem a year ago too
06:45 _bryan fuck it
06:46 _bryan oh fuck I can just add money to my account through ideal. Fuck the bank account
06:47 uehuehue \o/
06:59 _bryan 120 solderless wires, 15 euros.
06:59 _bryan thanks for the help guys
11:06 robotustra hi
11:07 ace4016 ahoy
11:11 robotustra anyone did a robot?
11:11 robotustra for the last few days?
11:13 Tom_itx no, the mrs isn't a robot
11:15 robotustra I'm also advancing slow
11:16 robotustra but yesterday I connected motors to eye frame
11:16 GuShH Tom_itx: not yet!
11:16 GuShH robotustra: pics
11:18 robotustra pics are not relevant yet
11:19 robotustra I want to assemble driver for motors and write a test program for eye motion
11:19 robotustra but caps and resistors are on their way from china still
11:20 robotustra hope in 2 weeks I can show some video
11:20 robotustra of motion
13:04 MrCurious day is off to a productive start
14:18 katsmeow-afk it's midnite in India, the robots are asleep
17:11 aep do you people order parts in RC-car shops? i cant figure out any other source...
17:12 MrCurious what parts
17:12 MrCurious *cough* ebay *couch*
17:13 aep mechanical things. servos, gears
17:13 aep right now i need a piston..
17:13 MrCurious ebay
17:13 robotustra piston-cylinder sex
17:14 aep robotustra: yeah thats what i found...
17:14 robotustra nothing?
17:15 robotustra I don't think you'll fine a piston separately
17:15 aep oh i thought you were refering to those sex toys you find when searching pistons on ebay
17:15 aep hm
17:15 aep so i need to lift something like 10cm, up and down
17:15 aep i thought a piston is the obvious solution
17:15 robotustra http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=cable+ties+2mm&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.Xpiston+cylinder+RC+car&_nkw=piston+cylinder+RC+car&_sacat=0
17:16 aep yeah not like that
17:16 robotustra do you have particular model?
17:16 katsmeow-afk "air muscle", chain drive, 5cm long crank on a gearmotor, just off the top of my lil head
17:17 aep robotustra: i dont know anything about that stuff, so no
17:17 aep air muscle, interesting stuff
17:18 aep (not what i need tho)
17:19 aep i found some stuff, but its driven by air. i was hoping there are pistons that use electricity directly
17:19 aep air means you need a compressor and stuff
17:20 MrCurious thought air muscle was a air bladder inside of a woven pouch that gets fat and short when pressurizzed
17:20 MrCurious simple to fabricate using a woven hose length
17:21 aep it looks pretty cool though.
17:21 aep maybe one day we'll build fabrics that contract when you apply electricity :D
17:21 MrCurious i thought the air pressure shunts/valves made that inpracticle
17:21 MrCurious we have wire that does that
17:21 MrCurious ask robustra about nichrome
17:22 MrCurious robotustra
17:22 MrCurious why can i not spell that from memory
17:22 aep so i found a fricking piston on ebay. but its driven by air. any idea what else i need?
17:23 katsmeow-afk connecting rod, cylinder, seals, hose fittings
17:23 aep cylinder ?
17:23 katsmeow-afk air valves, overpressure release, compressor, regulator,
17:24 katsmeow-afk pistons run up and down in cylinders
17:24 MrCurious sounds lilke those robots from hell boy 2 golden army
17:24 aep oh yeah
17:24 MrCurious could use syringes....
17:24 katsmeow-afk piston alone is rather useless
17:24 MrCurious and tube
17:24 katsmeow-afk water pipe, make your own piston
17:24 MrCurious and for extra credit electro magnets around the tip of syringe, and metalic fluid
17:25 MrCurious electromagnet brakes
17:25 aep uh sounds complicated
17:25 katsmeow-afk bonus points : make it electrorheological
17:26 aep but i guess i need to get into pneumatics anyway to have more options when building stuff
17:27 MrCurious aep: what is your end goal...
17:28 MrCurious make sure you are using the right tech, and not treating everything like nail because you only have a hammer
17:28 aep actually right now i dont even know how to use the hammer in that metathology
17:28 aep end goal is build an army of robots to destroy all life, but err
17:29 aep now the next realistic step is, i want to build a cage that gets lifted up and down into a boiling pot of water. and cook paste with perfect time
17:29 aep *pasta
17:29 aep at least it sounded easy when i thought of it
17:30 MrCurious we are on the same mision
17:30 MrCurious sounds like a lead screw and a stepper
17:30 MrCurious or a servo
17:30 aep bit slow
17:30 aep but simple, indeed
17:30 MrCurious probably take it 1s to remove it
17:30 aep 15cm in 1s?
17:31 aep i only saw really slow steppers
17:31 aep but this sounds a lot easier to handle than a piston.
17:32 katsmeow-afk why not just turn off the boiling? wait 5 minutes, then buzz you to come get it?
17:32 aep heh
17:32 aep dont take away my precious unsolved problem!
17:32 GargantuaSauce no no
17:32 GargantuaSauce you put a valve in the bottom of the pot
17:32 katsmeow-afk drain the water
17:33 katsmeow-afk still haveto turn off the heat, whatever you do
17:33 GargantuaSauce uh...yes
17:33 robotustra 10 cm what force?
17:33 robotustra or what speed of raising and falling?
17:34 aep i guess noodles are like 500g tops, plus 150g cage, so 1kg to be safe
17:34 aep how do i calculate the force from that?
17:34 robotustra weight of load
17:34 robotustra what is the payload?
17:35 aep 1kg, as i said. (the stuff i wane to lift is the payload, right?)
17:35 robotustra and what is acceptable speed ?
17:35 robotustra yes
17:35 katsmeow-afk garage door openers are chain drive, they could lift your noodles
17:35 robotustra what time does it take to lift
17:35 aep doesnt matter too much. i'd randomly say 10 seconds?
17:36 robotustra 10 sec is ok
17:36 robotustra because if you say for example 1 sec it mean that you have to use 10 times more powerful drive
17:36 aep right
17:36 aep any idea how to calculate that stuff?
17:37 katsmeow-afk does it matter if the pasta is stuck to the ceiling?
17:37 aep kinda :P
17:37 robotustra 1 cm per second
17:37 robotustra 1 kg
17:38 robotustra P = A/t
17:38 katsmeow-afk sheesh, get a windshield motor off ebay or your local scrap yard, with the crank on it, lengthen the crank to 8cm, build a gigantic mounting system on the stove that will always be in your way, and you're done
17:38 aep robotustra: right, that part i can understand
17:39 robotustra P (Watt) = (1 kg * 9.81 kg/(m*s^2) * 0.1 m) / (10 s)
17:39 aep but how do i calculate that P from the torque of the stepper that drives a lead screw
17:39 GargantuaSauce i think the trebuchet should be the basis for your mechanism
17:39 katsmeow-afk and how does he calc the rust growng on the leadscrew as it lives in the steam from the boiling water?
17:39 robotustra how many turns per 1 cm do you have?
17:40 GargantuaSauce why stop at pulling it out of the water when you can deliver it right to the dining room
17:40 GargantuaSauce ballistically
17:40 aep robotustra: whats a good default value (obviously i have no screw here to messure it)
17:40 katsmeow-afk gotta sauce it
17:40 robotustra katsmeow-afk: relax, he'll take stainless steal
17:40 robotustra ok
17:40 katsmeow-afk lever arm, counterballance, less weiight to lift, and if you use a bucket as the counterweight, just add water to it and the pasta will rise
17:41 aep i'm no longer sure if you're being sarcastic or just having really bad ideas :P
17:41 robotustra let's say you have 10 turns per 1 cm, so you have 10 times bigger torque
17:41 robotustra if there is no freaction
17:42 katsmeow-afk yo are the one insisting on calculating weight of wet pasta down tofractions of grams
17:42 robotustra but if you have some friction you'll have less than 10
17:42 katsmeow-afk some of could have already built the thing by now
17:42 robotustra let's say 70% is a good assumption
17:44 robotustra so, the force you'll need to apply on the threads will be 7 times smaller
17:44 robotustra 1 kg/ 7
17:44 aep aah
17:44 robotustra 140 g about
17:44 robotustra it's on the surface of your bolt
17:45 robotustra on the gear it will be even smaller
17:45 robotustra becasue the radius of the gear will be bigger than the radius of the bolt
17:46 aep makes sense
17:46 robotustra if you lubricate it good the force can be even smaller
17:47 robotustra but you have to put friction also
17:47 aep so the vendors spec their steppers in oz-in
17:47 aep still no clue how to get there
17:48 aep (whats oz anyway)
17:48 robotustra 30 g about
17:48 aep ah.
17:48 robotustra google is your friend
17:48 robotustra 1oz = 28.350g
17:49 aep i dont understand how that defines the power of the drive
17:50 katsmeow-afk 1oz = 28.350 grams
17:50 aep my school physics are rusty :(
17:50 katsmeow-afk you really do not understand? then get a cheap windscreen wiper gear motor off ebay or your local scrap yard, it will be a safe 12v motor, enough torque, etc
17:52 robotustra 1 oz*in is about 72 g*cm
17:53 robotustra it means that if you apply this torque to the shaft - the motor will stop
17:53 aep just figured out its torque. so basicly P = torque/ (radius of the scre) and there we go?
17:54 robotustra what is P in your notation?
17:54 aep err force
17:54 robotustra yes
17:54 robotustra it's a force
17:55 robotustra P(ower) = F*V
17:55 aep ah
17:55 aep so its F
17:55 aep whats V there?
17:55 robotustra F(orce)*V(elocity)
17:55 robotustra S/t
17:57 robotustra you need at least one more value which is usually the frequency of rotations to determine the power
17:57 aep could i use F = m(ass) * a(cceleration) for the lifting thing?
17:57 robotustra you can
17:57 katsmeow-afk oh dog
17:57 robotustra but I would not care about this
17:57 robotustra your situation is quasi static
17:58 robotustra there is no dynamic case
17:58 robotustra you just need to keep both force equal
17:58 aep oh right
17:58 robotustra to get uniform speed of extraction
17:59 robotustra so, if you exceed the force of friction + payload - you are already get the motion
17:59 aep yeah
17:59 robotustra in this case you have just estimate the minimal force needed
18:00 robotustra and after you can play with the power, getting right time
18:00 aep i'm lost with the screw thing. but i think i got the pointers
18:05 robotustra ok, think a bit about the 3rd law
18:06 robotustra F_12 = -F_21
18:06 aep yeah that part is clear
18:06 robotustra it's your case
18:06 aep i'm totally lost about that lead screw.
18:07 robotustra lead screw it's just a lever
18:08 robotustra or even enclained plane
18:08 robotustra you get the gain in force but loose in displacement
18:09 robotustra the work is the same
18:10 aep i think i'll give up trying to figure it out myself. this lools right: http://www.festo.com/net/en-gb_gb/SupportForum/yaf_postsm129_Motor-Sizing-and-Selection-from-First-Principles---Torque-Calculation.aspx
18:10 aep Torque (Nm) = Force (N) x ( Lead (m) / ( 2 x pi x 0.9 ) )
18:14 aep so i need 0.01286 N-m according to that. does that sound right?
18:15 aep robotustra: ^
18:16 katsmeow-afk get a 19v cordless drill and chuck some 1/4-20 all thread in it and be done with it
18:16 aep that's just 1.8 oz-in , and all the ebay thingies are in the range of hundrets of oz-in. i think i did it wrong
18:21 aep this thing gives me a more realistic result: http://www.smallmotors.com/html/lead_screws.html
18:21 aep 1.6 N-m
18:21 aep so i'll be good with a 300 oz-in stepper
18:22 aep robotustra: right?
18:22 robotustra I'm busy a bit with my kids
18:22 aep allright. thanks so far! :)
18:24 tsmeow-afk quits using the drill to move the bridge crane because it's obviously too small for all the good work it's been d
18:28 katsmeow-afk can move a ton of steel, but not lift pasta
19:55 MrCurious1 gussh do you know igaussu waterfalls between argentina and brazil?
19:55 MrCurious1 this computer is driving me nts
19:56 MrCurious1 install, reboot, network works until the 3rd boot
19:59 GuShH MrCurious1: I was there as a kid
19:59 GuShH once
20:04 theBear I wasn't, but I also wasn't there as a young adult :)
20:05 theBear you seen this thinger ? http://thefuckingweather.com/?where=YPPH&unit=c
20:06 theBear i think rif found it, it always makes m e smile, such excessive and needless abuse aimed at nothing in particular :)
20:35 zhanx evening
20:37 orlok morning
20:40 zhanx reprogramming elf to live again
20:42 Jak_o_Shadows hi
20:43 katsmeow-afk YAY ELF !!
20:43 zhanx 3 stm32f4's with 3 arduinos
20:43 zhanx 2 xbee's
20:44 katsmeow-afk wow, that'sa lot of load on the pod's batteries, isn'tit?
20:44 zhanx since it has 12 hours of life right now no
20:44 katsmeow-afk oh, ok
20:45 katsmeow-afk i was thinking the brains in the charging pod, a couple mini-itx mobo and a hdd or two
20:46 zhanx brains on board. rest off board
20:46 zhanx ik will be floating tables
20:46 tsmeow-afk saves time and hands the award to zhanx
20:46 zhanx what award
20:46 katsmeow-afk we haven't made it yet
20:47 katsmeow-afk oops
20:47 zhanx ok
20:47 anx take the a
20:47 zhanx goes back to math
20:47 zhanx 24 dof body
20:47 tsmeow-afk ponders going back to building stuff,,, or taking these boots
20:47 zhanx translated to 8 legs a 3 dof each
20:47 tsmeow-afk
20:48 zhanx 24 dof is a pita
20:49 katsmeow-afk needs a lot of compute power?
20:49 zhanx yes
20:50 tsmeow-afk is going to take the garden support lumber off the roof this week, make indoor tables and such
20:50 katsmeow-afk it's reached EOL outside already anyhow, it won't last till end of harvest next year
20:51 zhanx same here
20:51 katsmeow-afk i checked it because i been painting the roof
20:52 katsmeow-afk this painting is 4 yrs overdue
20:52 Jak_o_Shadows I, uhm, put a new clothesline in last week.
20:53 zhanx ok dof
20:53 zhanx triangles
20:53 zhanx not so fun
20:54 theBear my washing must be near 4yrs overdue, i've pretty much run out of even ancient pants with too many holes in them to be worn outside the house, someone offered me some old jeans last night but that's just not sustainable, i'm running out of places to pile the dirty stuff :)
20:54 theBear i really should fix that washing machine
20:54 zhanx z is about 120 degree's on all axis (about) x is plain stupid out of wack
20:55 katsmeow-afk ya know there are places you can drop off your clothes, and they wash and dry and fold them for you?
20:55 zhanx and y shit half are broke
20:55 zhanx think i need to revamp my cnc and make new legs
20:55 tsmeow-afk wonders if zhanx saw the finger she made without a
20:56 katsmeow-afk winter is coming, i'll be spending more time on it the next 6 mo or so
20:56 zhanx katsmeow-afk: did i mention i had my chute collapsed on my thursday and dropped about 100 feet to the ground with it
20:56 katsmeow-afk yeas, and you didn't beat the crap outa the guy who did it yet
20:57 zhanx yes i did
20:57 katsmeow-afk oh, ok
20:57 Tom_itx intentional?
20:57 zhanx no
20:57 katsmeow-afk stupid anyhow
20:57 zhanx preventable
20:57 Tom_itx dumb shit?
20:57 zhanx yes
20:58 orlok somebody stole your air pressure?
20:59 zhanx no they hit my chute and collapsed it
20:59 tsmeow-afk wonders if it's feasable to carry a spear gun and "attach" to the next guy who doe
20:59 zhanx lol
21:00 katsmeow-afk you'd haveto do it only once, it will never happen again
21:00 zhanx i bet
21:00 zhanx ok bed
21:01 katsmeow-afk ok, off to finding the wallto attach shelves to
21:02 orlok fun
21:02 orlok attaching to studs?
21:03 orlok my workshop has bare studs showing on 3 walls, and the wall where shelving would me the most usefull has plywood cladding over them
21:03 orlok it seems to be enough to hold leight stuff
21:03 Jak_o_Shadows I have a tin shed. No shelves for me.
21:04 orlok mines mainly tin
21:04 orlok but its on a split level slab
21:04 orlok main area is tin + metal frame, lower rear workshop is wood frame
21:05 orlok i'm thinking about adding a pile of shallow shelves
21:06 Jak_o_Shadows Mine is just a rectangular tin shed. I've got some stuff hanging off the walls, with hooks, but everything is mostly freestanding
21:06 orlok like, 4.5" deep, 1200mm long.
21:07 orlok they are meant for installing inside rack cabinets, vertically on each side to attach power/data cables to
21:07 orlok i have also been attaching slide out rack shelving to the underside of my desks
21:08 orlok instant flat surface!
21:16 GuShH "flat"
21:16 Jak_o_Shadows meh, flat enough
21:59 rue_shop2 wow, THATS metal fatuige...
21:59 theBear huh ? no it's just regular
22:00 theBear fwooo heh, how you doin ?
22:09 rue_shop2 100km/hr wind storm
22:09 rue_shop2 with rain!
22:09 rue_shop2 I just got the motor for the boiler fixed an on
22:09 rue_shop2 nad I put a ups on the shop switch
22:10 rue_shop2 just looking at the exhaust flapper for hte boiler,
22:10 rue_shop2 it was shaken apart
22:10 rue_shop2 the metal looks like it was dipped in liquid nitrogen and shattered
22:10 rue_shop2 so I'm re-evaluating materials
22:11 rue_shop2 but since then I'v also re-balanced the blower
22:14 rue_shop2 heh, I'm an idiot, I just put a whole ups to power a 12V adapter for the switch
22:14 rue_shop2 hahah
22:14 rue_shop2 I'll fix that up later
22:14 rue_shop2 ups has a 12V battery in it
22:19 rue_house hahahaha the whole 5KW ups's probelm was a bad battery!
22:19 katsmeow-afk that is why i bought 14v 4a laptop adapters: anywhere i want, i can plug them in and across a baby 12v battery and forget them, there's no holes in them for bugs to crawl into, and they don't have a fan or get hot
22:19 rue_house hahaha
22:19 rue_house I have to re-assemble it
22:19 rue_house the error isn't right
22:19 rue_house said it was a card failure
22:19 katsmeow-afk the wrong error?
22:20 katsmeow-afk fix it so it gives the right error!
22:20 rue_house no I'm not rewireit ghte firmware
22:20 rue_house I'm ginna reassembel it
22:20 rue_house make supper
22:20 katsmeow-afk i had supper already, it was good
22:20 rue_house the work on the boiler did wonders for it
22:21 rue_house I have to put my bed back togetor
22:21 katsmeow-afk the place the shelves go doesn't have the wall finished yet,, altho it looks normal, sort of, the wall is double-stud to hold the R50, and it's only single upstairs
22:22 katsmeow-afk so frame it out with 2x4, add whatever insulation i have handy in the pile, THEN add shelves
22:23 katsmeow-afk there's some 2" steel angle over the existing wallface, it was to be hidden inside the wall, so i'd haveto furr out over it anyhow
22:23 katsmeow-afk connects two roof beams diagonaly down thru the rest of the house to the footing
22:25 rue_house oh damn, that power blink blew my led string
22:25 katsmeow-afk sucked too much light out of the house when the power went off?
22:26 katsmeow-afk how does power missing cause the leds to burn open?
22:27 rue_house I notice that half the string is the + polarity and the other half is the -
22:27 rue_house so half it is out
22:27 rue_house I dont know how they ballast them, I think its distributed resistors
22:28 katsmeow-afk but still, if you remove power from them, and that causes them to burn out, how can they ship them to you?
22:30 MrCurious1 wifi wins. gonna caable ethernet and give up on this box
22:31 MrCurious1 GuShH: you around?
22:31 katsmeow-afk ( )
22:31 MrCurious1 ahhh the start of a lisp program
22:32 katsmeow-afk i ain't got no lithp
22:32 Curious1 turns on the automatic laser pointer cat toy and wander
22:33 ^kat^ that's not fair
22:33 MrCurious1 ?
22:33 at^ runs into the
22:33 at^ digs into the favorite chair after the lil
22:34 MrCurious1 apparently there is a series of waterfalls between argentina (GuShH) and brazil (transgendered people place)
22:34 MrCurious1 really amazing ones
22:34 ^kat^ they will be until the dams are finished
22:34 MrCurious1 hmmm
22:34 MrCurious1 i am sure they will turn them back on for holidays and times of extreme celebration
22:35 ^kat^ it will be the largest hydropower generator area in the world if done, and the rivers don't run dry
22:35 ^kat^ DC power cables, too
22:36 MrCurious1 didnt china do that... make a biggest ever dam only to find out it put too much weight on the crust and caused a mega quake
22:36 at^ nods, but it is cranking out power
22:37 MrCurious1 it snapped a school in half...
22:37 ^kat^ Who'stheirnicks wanna put on on the Nile before it gets into Egypt too, so big it would make more power than the whole country needs, and more power than they can sell to their neighbors
22:37 ^kat^ Egypt is against it
22:38 ^kat^ in the meantime, the usa is removing dams
22:38 MrCurious1 yeah
22:38 MrCurious1 damns hae a side effect
22:38 MrCurious1 lots of cognativedissonence for those living in their path
22:38 ^kat^ and verticle effects
22:39 MrCurious1 and man made things FAIL...
22:39 MrCurious1 and terrorists try to break things early
22:39 MrCurious1 best to make windmills and solar panels
22:39 MrCurious1 nd frack up the land so there is no non bubbly water
22:39 ^kat^ and they are first-class targets in any war
22:40 MrCurious1 yeah dam's and TNT factories
22:41 rue_house kitty litter, supper and re-assmeble ups
22:41 MrCurious1 rue.. supper, then kitty litter then ups
22:42 ^kat^ tell the mowerbot how to do the kittylitter
22:42 MrCurious1 kitty litter operations throw up undesirable particulate matter possiblly containing ilness
22:42 MrCurious1 you raise a good point. with 9 cats... i totally need a kitty litter bot
22:42 MrCurious1 that is the one thing that would improve my life
22:42 ^kat^ yeas, a doorway to an outside cubby is where the litterbox should be, so you can have the bot close the door and swap out the litter, and no inside the house
22:43 GuShH MrCurious1: not around
22:44 MrCurious1 there MUST be a no maintenence kitty litter setup that could be built into a house if you had access to water and sewer
22:44 ^kat^ the cubby culd be under a table in the adjoinng garage or workshop
22:44 MrCurious1 GuShH: ?
22:44 MrCurious1 haev you been to the water falls
22:44 ^kat^ there is, and you clog the pipes with litter
22:44 MrCurious1 or you could just teach em to use the bog and flush after
22:44 MrCurious1 no it would split the waste from reusable plastic balls
22:45 MrCurious1 perhaps by melting it with water jjets
22:45 ^kat^ energy intensive
22:45 ^kat^ you must be in the usa
22:46 MrCurious1 yes
22:46 MrCurious1 energy is sfree
22:46 MrCurious1 we live on the edge of the age of star trek
22:47 MrCurious1 its only a matter of few years until transporters beam the waste directly out of us
22:47 MrCurious1 for fun, take multiples of 3 sea shells to work
22:47 MrCurious1 in the stalls, superglue 3 of them in a line
22:48 MrCurious1 see if coworkers know how to work teh 3 shells
22:48 orlok thats a reference to some shit movie, right?
22:48 ^kat^ i never did figure that one out
22:48 MrCurious1 demoliton man
22:48 orlok Demolition Man?
22:48 orlok yeah, never saw it
22:49 MrCurious1 sylvester stalone and some other famous ator
22:49 MrCurious1 saundra bullock
22:49 orlok i remember when it came out, it was before the long awaited Judge Dredd film
22:49 MrCurious1 and everyone loves lil mis white-bread
22:50 MrCurious1 dread waas a horrible let down
22:50 orlok and there was a series in 2000AD called Demolition Man
22:50 MrCurious1 dred 2 was better
22:50 ^kat^ i don't, she was awefull in that puter movie
22:50 MrCurious1 block wars
22:50 MrCurious1 where she telnetted to 128.75.13.381
22:50 MrCurious1 its salways those off by 1 errors
22:50 orlok yeah, anybody with skills knows to use nc
22:51 MrCurious1 or that octets dont go above 255
22:51 MrCurious1 octets isnt the right word
22:51 ^kat^ 381?
22:52 MrCurious1 yeah
22:52 MrCurious1 they made that mistake in the net
22:52 MrCurious1 i never got past that
22:52 MrCurious1 or jurasic park "oh! this is unixx. i know this"
22:52 orlok not really a mistake i guess, its like the phone numbers in movies that dont work
22:53 MrCurious1 nobody says that
22:56 MrCurious1 and there was something in the movie haackers that offended, ,and something in swordfish
22:56 MrCurious1 i cant remember the last movie with computer stuff in it that didnt offend
22:57 eadthem MrCurious1, the jurrasic park books were better
22:57 MrCurious1 oh wait... i am in error... that movie wally was non offensive
22:57 MrCurious1 and the huge people were amusing
23:16 at^ has been finding good deals on laptop psus lately, even tho prices are trending upw
23:17 MrCurious1 yup. lots of good details of late
23:20 MrCurious1 deals rather
23:20 at^ was conf
23:21 ^kat^ 19v 90 watt for $6.25 free s&h
23:22 ^kat^ 15v 5amp for $6.87 free s&h
23:22 ^kat^ cannot buy even the transformer for thos power/volts/amps at Radio Shack for those prices
23:23 ^kat^ or the box to put them into
23:23 ^kat^ shipping just the transformer is more than $10
23:24 MrCurious1 i thought you said laptops, ot their ps units. my bad
23:24 ^kat^ laptop psus
23:25 at^ figures she can run 3 hdd with one 15v 5a psu, in a very small
23:38 katsmeow-afk gnites
23:44 rue_house ups is back togethro, but has error 13
23:45 rue_house and 12V out
23:45 rue_house so it thinks
23:50 MrCurious1 it sinks?
23:54 rue_house nope, but the mc14049's on the interver board have no power
23:54 rue_house they are part of the drivers, so that'll cause an issue
23:54 rue_house wonder where they get it from