#robotics Logs
Sep 25 2013
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00:01 DagoRed but I'm off to bed.
08:56 rue_house ---
08:56 dumbass-afk |||
08:56 rue_house What are the 3 largest challanges that people trying to build robots face.
08:56 rue_house ---
08:56 GuShH rue_house: using a keyboard properly, using a keyboard properly, using a keyboard properly.
08:56 dumbass-afk inertia , skillset , backlash
08:57 rue_house kat, did you ee those links of people taking $1 bulbs from china and selling them for $900+ from the states?
08:57 GuShH dumbass-afk: skillset is irrelevant if you don't have the tools or cash
08:58 dumbass-afk no
08:58 dumbass-afk GuShH, and vice versa
08:58 GuShH their biggest challenges are lack of tools, lack of materials, lack of experience
08:58 GuShH but money is key
08:58 rue_house if they had the experiance with the tools they would know what they dont ned
08:59 dumbass-afk reall? money? because i have no pcb driller
08:59 GuShH now as a design challenge, it depends on what they're working on!
08:59 GuShH rue_house: which tools?
08:59 GuShH most of those joes are living in their mom's apartment
08:59 dumbass-afk backlash, from huamns, has stopped me dead
08:59 GuShH that's one of the reasons why these robotic sites are making big bucks, exploiting the fact that they don't have tools or knowledge
09:00 GargantuaSauce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX6JcybgDFo
09:00 GuShH "I would make this bracket, if I had the tools and materials" you'll hear that every day
09:01 rue_house bench edge, piece of wood and a few scerws
09:01 dumbass-afk over half my house is unuseable except for a few months per year, because of backlash when i asked for help enforcing animal control laws when a neighbor was sicing dogs on me
09:01 GuShH "...So Instead I'll pay 10 times more than it's worth and have it delievered it to my door, somewhere next month"
09:01 dumbass-afk money be damned
09:01 rue_house tools needed -> screwdriver, handsaw
09:01 GuShH rue_house: you are jumping into conclusions as to what type of bracket we're talking about :p servo mount anyway, it was an example.
09:02 dumbass-afk i built a very durable robot finger with a hacksaw, file, drill, it didn't cost $millions
09:02 GuShH dumbass-afk: true, but you spent countless hours and you had everything at hand
09:02 GuShH this is their point of view anyway not mine
09:03 GuShH I like to get the tools to get things done, I know the tools will outlive me (most of them anyway)
09:03 dumbass-afk yeas, $20 of hand tools and $90 drillpress
09:03 GuShH ok so most people living in a tiny apartment cannot accomodate the drillpress
09:03 dumbass-afk 30 yr old drill press even
09:03 GuShH even the tiny one
09:03 GuShH age is irrelevant when it comes to tools, I find.
09:03 GuShH as long as they've been taken care of
09:03 dumbass-afk 20ft tall drill press, so unsteady i had to bolt it to the tabl;e
09:04 dumbass-afk quit making excuses
09:04 GuShH unlike this wire cutters I found the other day in a box, they've been rusted shut whoever stored them never thought about oil
09:04 GuShH dumbass-afk: me?
09:04 dumbass-afk you need stop only when people with guns will put you in jail
09:04 GuShH what are you talking about...
09:04 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-pcs-Brilliant-Red-1157-12-LED-Reverse-Backup-Brake-LED-Light-Bulbs-7528-2357-/171115149292
09:04 GuShH I never bought any stinking servo mounts
09:04 rue_house ^^ whats shipping look like for you kat?
09:04 GuShH all you need is a means to drill, bend and cut
09:05 rue_house I get $9 on that
09:05 GuShH dumbass-afk: even if they have the tools they claim it's better to buy it, which beats me
09:06 dumbass-afk rue: $9.26 , but free if i order via http://www.ebay.com/itm/171115149292
09:06 rue_house the 'decoder' is a 6 ohm resistor
09:06 GuShH those are rather crappy bulbs
09:06 rue_house they are $1 from china
09:06 GuShH in china they cost 1 or 2 cents at the most
09:06 GuShH and that's a guess based on numbers from many years ago, I think things are even cheaper now
09:06 rue_house $9 is cheap, they are listed for over $900
09:07 GuShH either bulk
09:07 GuShH or drug front
09:07 GuShH there are things you don't know or shouldn't know about that a few do.
09:07 GuShH they move it in plain sight
09:07 rue_house $900 for the bulb, but the box is packed in a cocane brick?
09:08 dumbass-afk rue, if you buy 1 watt leds, they are not only brighter but cheaper
09:08 GuShH I think a cocaine brick goes for a lot more
09:08 dumbass-afk depends on brick size
09:08 GuShH even crack
09:08 GuShH brick standard kilo
09:08 dumbass-afk cut cocaine would be cheaper, 90% corn flour
09:08 GuShH that's crack
09:08 GuShH it's mostly baking soda
09:09 GuShH and blur
09:09 GuShH dumbass-afk: would basic knowledge of how to cut drugs put you in jail in the US or CA?
09:09 dumbass-afk "mommy, why does my toungue get numb when i eat these crackers?"
09:09 GuShH lol
09:09 GuShH those are some fine crackers
09:09 dumbass-afk foot powder
09:10 ShH never consumed or had in possession any sort of "real" d
09:10 GuShH the filler depends on who is cutting it
09:10 GuShH it varies from vitamin supplements to crumbled drywall.
09:11 dumbass-afk <man with foot on desk, hammering his toes with his shoe> that is some fine athelete's foot powder, i can't feel a thing!
09:11 GuShH I hear there are places in the US where in one block you might have 10 houses dealing crack
09:11 GuShH that's bad...
09:11 dumbass-afk GuShH : WKRP in Cinncinati
09:11 rue_house kats neighbour is in on it with the DA
09:12 GuShH I never watched that
09:12 dumbass-afk rue, i am sure they are doing meth, not coke
09:12 GuShH rue_house: Oh I know they've got "help" from upstairs
09:12 GuShH meth is messier...
09:12 GuShH but from a certain point of view you could get "cookin'" right away compared to crack
09:13 GuShH I still don't get it, some people spend their entire fortune on these drugs, consuming them that is
09:13 dumbass-afk they were/are paranoid of me having a garden, of me getting my mail from mailbox, etc
09:13 rue_house most of these bulbs are no good (for me anyhow) because a) theyget too fat too fast to fit in the base, or b) they would disintegrate witht eh force to lock them in
09:13 GuShH dumbass-afk: if you can't beat 'em...
09:13 GuShH get a single emitter one as dumbass-afk suggested
09:13 GuShH no point in making one yourself
09:14 GuShH they're cheap enough already, of course none of them have constant current drives
09:14 GuShH not at 1 buck
09:14 GuShH but if you are going to make one yourself... flashlight driver, single emitter of your favorite colour... and the right bulb base
09:15 GuShH you could turn an aluminum jacket with fins to act as a heatsink, if it's going to require a 100% duty cycle and you want it to live long.
09:15 GuShH for brakes, who cares.
09:16 rue_house my truck seems to lie between a lot of standards
09:16 GuShH so I got one side painted on all the sheet metal for the stand yesterday, might do the other side today. made a mistake with one of the shelf guides so that needs to be removed and redrilled.
09:16 dumbass-afk DOT in usa has tons of regs about bulbs in cars/trucks, about emission angle, width, color, intensities, etc.. i say blast the hell out of the lamp container with as much wattage as a DOT-cert'd bulb throws, and you'll be 2x as bright and the bulb will last longer than the car
09:16 GuShH rue_house: which is to say it was put together by a redneck
09:17 rue_house no its one of theose years that everything was different the year before, and the year after
09:17 GuShH dumbass-afk: I wish someone would regulate LED signs here
09:18 dumbass-afk a crutch opened on the side of the interstate here with moving-pic led signs, i give them the finger every time i drive by
09:18 dumbass-afk err, church
09:18 GuShH there's a pharmacy near the grocery store with a sign that will blind you when it flashes on, and it's right on the edge where the train rails begin.
09:18 GuShH by car, it does a number on you. I've been tempted to shoot it down.
09:18 dumbass-afk one nearby town did put regs on signs, too many peple listed cause of accident as "blinded by sign" or "was watching signs"
09:19 GuShH it's not an excuse, most of the time it's true
09:19 GuShH it's also flashing at a very annoying rate
09:19 GuShH add a couple more of those on either side and you can't really see what's going on in front of you
09:19 dumbass-afk umm, "excuse" did not useto be a bad thing, "excuse" was one same as "reason" or "cause"
09:19 GuShH bright narrow angle green leds 8mm I think
09:20 dumbass-afk it's like "you are rationalising, and being rational is a BAD thing!"
09:20 GuShH they tilted the sign ever so slightly as to hit you right on when you pass by
09:21 GuShH I don't mind LEDs, I just want them to be diffused and with a maximum amount of lumens when it comes to signs.
09:21 GuShH they could be self adjusting as well
09:21 GuShH the sun is annoying enough, no need for more distractions.
09:22 ShH wonders how many accidents are caused due to people having to wear sunglasses while dri
09:22 dumbass-afk need to be variable lumens, you might need a kw at noon, but not at midnight
09:23 GuShH it would also depend on the distance from the viewer/s
09:23 GuShH wouldn't be too hard to get a standard going, but nobody cares
09:23 GuShH even worse it's how they mount the signs
09:23 GuShH we've had a few fall on people.
09:23 GuShH what really scares me is that this country was welded together (and still is) with 6013
09:24 dumbass-afk hell, there was one car once, it's tailights so bright at nite, my first impulse wasn't to brake, it was to close my eyes,, i was seeing stars for 5 minutes after that, i could not drive at all
09:24 GuShH very few structural work is actually carried out using the right electrodes.
09:24 dumbass-afk 6013/11 is crap
09:25 GuShH and why do you think it scares me? it's not for structural work
09:25 GuShH it's for a "oh looks nice" pass
09:25 GuShH a cap at most.
09:25 GuShH art and crafts
09:25 dumbass-afk people here have welded bumper hitches to frames with it, they tend to fall off
09:25 GuShH quick and dirty tool or tacking something in place
09:26 GuShH I've been forced to use 6013 for most things because there are no places selling anything else
09:26 GuShH for one 70xx requires the rods to be kept in a controlled environment
09:27 GuShH not every store has an oven (they sell in bulk or by kilogram, but of course they buy it in bulk)
09:27 GuShH so you can imagine 100KG or more of 7018 sitting on a damp floor, wouldn't work.
09:28 GuShH and that's why I think 6013 is the go-to in so many countries, less requirements, less skills.
09:28 GuShH cheapest crap around
09:28 GuShH dumbass-afk: you can put up a sign around here without having any welding certifications, whatsoever.
09:29 GuShH now that's even more scary, you know what's even worse... you can do structural welding without any certifications.
09:29 GuShH if you went to a "technical school" they assume it's good 'nuf.
09:30 GuShH we have entire buildings collapsing or tilting and having to blast them down because of dipshits like that
09:30 dumbass-afk when in doubt, use grade 8 bolts
09:30 GuShH including bribes to construct on places where the soil is not fit (and they won't put out the cash to solve the problem on the foundation)
09:30 dumbass-afk same thing here
09:31 GuShH not long ago a whole building went poof, probably 20 storeys high
09:31 GuShH the two buildings nearby had to be deemed unfit
09:31 dumbass-afk they bury lumber and trees, build on it, under 5 years they haveto demo the building because it's breaking up
09:31 GuShH spanning cracks everywhere
09:31 GuShH sometimes there's no building in the middle, but they're working on the parking lot (underground) or laying the foundation when this happens
09:31 rue_house heh
09:32 dumbass-afk this whole fracking for natural gas is like diluting the drinking water with poisons
09:32 GuShH dumbass-afk: it's no excuse, you can build anything over almost anything, if you have the engineering and funds
09:32 GuShH look at the chinese railroads
09:32 GuShH over permafrost
09:32 dumbass-afk no matter what i saw, you will refute me
09:32 ShH bl
09:33 GuShH if I lost everything due to a couple clueless workers I would murder their families and themselves, and I'm not just saying that... I would snap and turn green.
09:33 dumbass-afk [09:14] <GuShH> including bribes to construct on places where the soil is not fit
09:33 dumbass-afk [09:15] <dumbass-afk> they bury lumber and trees, build on it, under 5 years they haveto demo the building
09:33 dumbass-afk [09:16] <GuShH> dumbass-afk: it's no excuse, you can build anything over almost anything
09:33 GuShH got a couple little neighour situations right now, they like to burn their garden waste
09:33 GuShH dumbass-afk: what I mean is if you wanted a skyscraper on permafrost, you could do it.
09:33 GuShH if you were to do it right
09:34 dumbass-afk damnit, you KNOW they don't do it right
09:34 GuShH the problem is bribes, money.
09:34 GuShH they go around corners
09:34 GuShH keep as much cash as they can
09:34 GuShH I've seen how they made the foundations on new homes around here
09:34 mbass-afk give
09:34 GuShH no rebar, it was a pvc pipe with concrete poured on, I thought they were going to slide the rebar inside later on, they didn't.
09:35 GuShH when I was looking at a new place, we went by a house that had tilted at an angle
09:35 GuShH and was "on sale"
09:35 GuShH I was naive so I asked and they said "oh just a newbie architect"
09:35 GuShH the house had cracked in half and began to slide to a side
09:35 GuShH they still wanted to sell it
09:36 GuShH also part of the problem around here is the wells
09:36 GuShH they drill them right next to the house and over time it creates a cone shaped sink hole of sorts
09:37 GuShH dumbass-afk: but how come these assholes get all the jobs and the guys with real studies are hardly getting by?
09:37 GuShH a train machinist makes more than a plastic surgeon in argentina.
09:37 GuShH "high risk job" bullshit.
09:38 GuShH they sleep all the time and wake up when the deadman sounds
09:38 GuShH all they hear is a pumpkin sound when they run over someone, they don't care, but they do act as if they did -- so they can get a bonus and time out.
09:38 GuShH roofing guys, another bullshit "high risk" job
09:38 GuShH they don't even wear a harness
09:39 ShH shakes
09:40 GuShH this damn world is a lie
09:40 rue_house no well casing?
09:40 zap0 listening to you whine like a girlie is a high risk job
09:42 dumbass-afk rue, they see a well casing as a well inside a well, and they want only one well, who cares about surface water runoff contamination?
09:43 GuShH zap0: sit on it boy
09:43 dumbass-afk a lot of wells drilled one yr in some place in Afria were ruined during the spring floods the next yr because the wells were open at the top,a nd the surface water flowing into the wells had dead cows and people in it
09:44 dumbass-afk i'd guess all wells in the usa drilled before 1990 , the casing ended below the ground level, and i bet most drilled today still do
09:44 dumbass-afk if the seal leaks, you are drinking god shit
09:44 zap0 GuShH, your anger is a clear sign of your lameness.
09:44 GuShH zap0: keep sitting on it boy
09:45 GuShH these are real issues, of which you are unware as you're nothing but a basement cat
09:46 GuShH keep wearing those blinders
09:47 zap0 you really think a plastic surgeon deserves more money than a train driver?
09:48 zap0 how many plastic surgeons face manslaughter on a daily basis?
09:48 mbass-afk hasto agree with zap on this one: if the surgeon won't work for train driver wages, then he can go drive a t
09:49 GuShH zap0: you take everything literal every day, you must be one big tool.
09:49 GuShH any medic makes less than the train "driver"
09:49 rue_house thats because the medics have to stay awake
09:49 rue_house they cant just wake up to the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and fix whats going on
09:50 dumbass-afk not in usa, patients get ripped off every chance a medic gets, because they know insurance will pay anything
09:50 GuShH a medic devotes around 10 years of his life to his studies, the train dude devotes just as much to his beer gut, he only has a basic education.
09:51 GuShH an ophthalmologist has to become a general medic first, that's 6 years plus another 5 for his specialty.
09:51 rue_house if all the medics became train drivers, it would work, haul around all the dead bodies
09:51 dumbass-afk spacious hotel room all to yourself: $60 , tiny hospital room you haveto share with stranger while semi-nude: $2000
09:52 GuShH the train dude was put in there due to his dad or uncle, most of them have no highschool diploma, they know nothing about physics, engineering, etc. they are supposed to have studied, but if you recall the simpsons episode about the monorail scam, that's how the schools are around here.
09:52 GuShH a fighter pilot earns less than him
09:52 GuShH he has to study physics, he has to be in perfect shape and health
09:52 GuShH he also studies engineering
09:52 dumbass-afk fighter pilots at ~$100k
09:52 GuShH (mechanical)
09:52 GuShH dumbass-afk: not here
09:53 GuShH 120k for the train fatso, less so for the figher pilot. one is a clueless negroid, the other is a well studied man.
09:54 dumbass-afk <cough>
09:54 GuShH this is the country where everything is the opposite of what it should be.
09:54 dumbass-afk one is a "negroid", the other is a "man" ?
09:54 GuShH I have no respect for them
09:54 GuShH they are mostly brownies who will run away when danger is nearby
09:55 GuShH they are mostly on strike
09:55 GuShH ruining your and everyone's day and jobs
09:55 GuShH right now they don't want drug tests, they don't want cameras, they don't want anything to make this into a real job
09:56 dumbass-afk you know they won't get your respect anyhow
09:56 dumbass-afk and they prolly no longer care to
09:56 GuShH so here's a fat asshole, making more money than he deserves, sleeping while carrying way over 500 people who by the way are either going to their jobs or their homes and causing most of them to die, eventually
09:56 GuShH you've seen a train wreck in person?
09:56 GuShH you wouldn't respect them ever.
09:57 rue_house gtg to work, see yall later!
09:57 dumbass-afk saw the result, not the occurance
09:57 GuShH they don't comply to the norms, they will speed up in blind radar zones
09:57 GuShH and they don't want to be responsible for any of it
09:57 dumbass-afk GuShH, you are describing everyone
09:57 GuShH so right now they could be high on pot or who knows what, maybe even drunk, because no mandatory drug tests are in place
09:58 GuShH dumbass-afk: not everyone
09:58 GuShH just most of the inbreds in society
09:58 dumbass-afk in the usa, ~10 pilots per yr are grounded for being drunk and trying to drive a planefull of humans
09:58 dumbass-afk and all white
09:59 GuShH the dark ones wouldn't get past the TSA scans?
09:59 GuShH haw haw
09:59 zap0 the plane should test the pilot's alertness, and inform the passengers of the results regularly
09:59 dumbass-afk i get passed like i am sitting still here, by whites in new $60k cars, in restricted construction zones with state patrol cops along the side with radar guns
09:59 GuShH dumbass-afk: not everyone in charge of these trains is black or white.
10:00 GuShH oh you want to talk about cops now...
10:00 GuShH they earn less, but they're just as useless
10:00 dumbass-afk no, bbl
10:00 GuShH I have very little respect for most cops, as they are crooks themselves.
10:01 GuShH they will turn the blind eye on whole city blocks and even zones, as long as they get a cut
10:03 GuShH even worse, most of them are paid not to work, as part of their sallary is used to launder money
10:03 GuShH we have 58k officers of which only 32k are active
10:05 GuShH zap0: As it turns out you were the uninformed whiny girlie all along... But It's OK. I'll let you play with your storebought robots now.
10:06 GargantuaSauce still better than no robots
10:07 GuShH https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1309_14-17_mickens.pdf
10:07 GuShH Totally
10:07 GuShH Was reading that, someone pointed at in #43oh
10:07 GuShH fun
10:08 ShH crack
10:23 GargantuaSauce that is a pretty fantastic...thing
10:52 GuShH bah another broken bit
10:52 GuShH I should really refubrish this hand drill.. the bearings are almost gone
10:53 GuShH other than that the gearbox looks brand new
10:56 zap0 you should form a prejudice about the bearings first.
10:57 zap0 and tell us about how slack they are and aren't doing enough work for the amount of money
11:23 GuShH zap0: you are clearly one of those retards, or a son of one... there's nothing we can do to save you, sorry.
11:25 zap0 nothing "we" can do.. do you have some type of split personality disorder?
11:25 zap0 how many of you are there?
11:25 GuShH zap0: nothing society can do for you.
11:25 GuShH Go back to school.
18:49 GuShH dumbass-afk: Hmm Skil has really gone down in quality
18:49 GuShH heaps more than B&D has
18:49 GuShH got a reversible variable speed drill from them, it's mid range but damn it's crappy now that I've used it, might return it... thing is the Makita costs twice as much
19:10 dumbass-afk i never liked Skil
19:12 GuShH dumbass-afk: but there's no doubt even their professional lines are crappy now
19:12 GuShH skil bosch and another one I forgot, they're all under the same company now
19:12 GuShH either that or one was always their low end brand
19:13 GuShH anyway even the chuck feels different on the makita, the dewalt had the same crappy one the skil had
19:13 ShH s
19:14 GuShH I have a black and decker drill, 13mm chuck... from the 80s, but 70s design... still works fine, just needs a new bushing and bearing
19:14 GuShH it's however a lot bigger than newer drills
19:14 GuShH (with gearbox, etc)
19:14 dumbass-afk well, you either pay over $100 for a good one, over $200 for th ebest, or you pay <$50 use it lightly and hope you can keep repairing it
19:14 GuShH even the mid range models used to be at least cast aluminum for the gearbox housing
19:15 GuShH I paid 56 usd I think
19:15 GuShH the makita was 120
19:15 GuShH at least. but they were out of stock anyway
19:15 GuShH however I played with the display units
19:15 GuShH I got 3 days to take it back and get my money if I don't like it anyway
19:16 GuShH stupid policy, used to be 5 days and prior to that 30
19:16 dumbass-afk i got my 1/2 Sears drill when it was made by the same co that made Rockwells, i got a Rockwell screwshooter, and surprisingly my Milwualkee grinder had the same limits as the $30 HF
19:16 GuShH 5 made a lot of sense in case you couldn't head to the store on a work day
19:17 GuShH milwaukee are no longer seen around here, we had them.. not anymore
19:17 dumbass-afk they cost too much
19:17 GuShH I could've got an einhell... but I've no clue whether they're good or bad
19:17 dumbass-afk Fastenal can't sell any power tools they have, NO ONE sells power tools for that much
19:18 GuShH there's another brand, but from germany ... I forgot the name
19:18 GuShH a lot of assembly lines uses them
19:18 GuShH metabo.
19:18 dumbass-afk metabo is ok
19:18 GuShH but, again, no stock.
19:18 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah.
19:19 GuShH the dewalt version of this skil was pure and complete crap
19:19 GuShH they've gone to shit.
19:19 GuShH it felt worse than my older drill, which is in pieces right now
19:19 ShH sh
19:19 GuShH we'll see
19:19 GuShH I'm sick of shitty tools
19:19 dumbass-afk dealt costs more than they should, quality shouldn't scale the price exponentially, it should be linear
19:20 GuShH this one was a mid range model, but it felt just as bad as the < 50
19:20 GuShH it was a tiny 10mm drill, good size for what I need, but complete trash.
19:20 GuShH I think 160 bucks
19:20 GuShH no accessories
19:20 Jak_o_Shadows Black and decker new stuff is rubbish
19:20 GuShH kinda, I got a 3 year old angle grinder from them
19:21 GuShH I only had to replace a bearing, I really abused the poor thing.
19:21 GuShH brushes are still good, use it almost every day
19:21 GuShH ok let me rephrase, the bearing had more play than I was comfortable with.
19:21 GuShH I took some macro pictures and I could see some damage inside, so good call.
19:22 Jak_o_Shadows I got the ozito multi-tool. $39, enough accessories for its main job. Dunno if it'll last, but w/e
19:22 GuShH that reminds me, stainless steel bearings are really expensive... I did not know that!
19:22 GuShH over 4 times the cost of the steel version around here
19:23 GuShH I thought they would be twice as much, worst case scenario
19:23 ShH will just use rubber shielded ones with a crapload of grease and hope for the best on this new pro
19:25 GuShH was looking at a bike ad, turns out the guy lives on the same block, he wasn't kidding when he wrote "I crank it up once a day" I do hear it once a day!
19:26 GuShH used vehicle and honesty that's a new one for me
19:32 dumbass-afk you can buy it and not crak it up now!
19:39 rue_house hahah I bought a lightbulb on ebay
19:39 rue_house led
19:39 rue_house hahah its 220V
19:39 rue_house hahaha
19:40 dumbass-afk good thing you got that 220 invertor!
19:42 rue_house kat! the pully arrived!
19:43 rue_house (set)
19:43 dumbass-afk how does it feel? does i get paid for it? or the 07's?
19:43 rue_house sure how much?
19:43 dumbass-afk i dunno
19:44 rue_house does $40 paypal sound ok?
19:44 dumbass-afk yes?
19:45 rue_house ok msg me the paypal email
19:45 dumbass-afk i didn't expect anything, but i'll use it postage to send the 07's,, how many?
19:45 rue_house dip or smt?
19:46 dumbass-afk smt
19:46 rue_house 20 ok?
19:46 dumbass-afk ~200 fit in a business envelopie
19:46 rue_house ah
19:46 dumbass-afk same price to ya, 20 or 200
19:47 rue_house 40 is prolly a lifetime supply for me
19:47 dumbass-afk 40? k
19:47 rue_house no, just 40
19:47 rue_house 40k is way too many
19:47 dumbass-afk k, 40
19:48 rue_house :)
19:48 rue_house shall I make a joke about 400?
19:48 dumbass-afk if you wish
19:49 rue_house oh, is the paypal email the same as the one I have?
19:49 dumbass-afk kat@ , yeas
19:50 mbass-afk took a test panel of cells up onto the roof today, and waited 3 hrs for sun, got
19:52 rue_house :(
19:53 dumbass-afk well, sorta prooved the packaging, anyhow
19:53 dumbass-afk gave me an idea for anotehr tool
19:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/p1050583.jpg
19:59 rue_house :)
19:59 rue_house aluminum, the edges are pressed on, looks fine
20:01 dumbass-afk that's quite a ratio, don't let it get too slack (but little slack is ok)
20:02 dumbass-afk is the belt stiff?
20:02 rue_house were talking ~17000 -> 1700 rpm
20:02 rue_house nope
20:02 dumbass-afk good
20:02 dumbass-afk yeas, at 17k rpm you don't want stiff
20:03 dumbass-afk it hasto be just tight enough the belt doesn't overshoot the small pulley instead of bending around it
20:04 dumbass-afk how many hp do you figure the belt is good for?
20:04 rue_house dunno...
20:05 rue_house I was calculating belt tensions, and I'm quite sure this is good for the torque
20:06 dumbass-afk nice thing about teethed belts, they don't need tension as long as they aren't loose
20:09 rue_house if I didn't have this corrid headache I'd go modify it and try it out now
20:10 dumbass-afk it need modifying?
20:10 rue_house well, A) I gave you the wrong motor shaft size, its lightly over 1/4"
20:11 rue_house b) the main pulley size was expected to need modification, I have to check what size shaft I'm gonna use
20:11 rue_house so, nothing major
20:11 dumbass-afk slightly over 1/4 inch .... 7mm?
20:11 rue_house I suppose I can check/correct the larger pulleys balance too
20:11 dumbass-afk that sounds odd
20:11 rue_house I have to check again
20:11 rue_house I felt stupid
20:12 rue_house I was sure it was 1/4"
20:12 dumbass-afk bore it on the lathe if you can
20:12 rue_house totally
20:12 dumbass-afk at 7krpm, you don't want it offbalance
20:12 rue_house I'll use the 4 jaw if I have to
20:13 rue_house the motor runs ~17k rpm
20:13 rue_house it IS the vaccuum motor
20:13 dumbass-afk yeas, what i said
20:13 e_house veggitates for a
20:14 dumbass-afk you may need to push more than 120vdc into it to get torque at 17k
20:15 rue_house na, 336rpm/V
20:15 rue_house iirc 90V is just fine
20:15 dumbass-afk k
20:15 rue_house part of this is learning the torque curve
20:15 mbass-afk
20:16 dumbass-afk got a way to ramp the voltage up from zero?
20:18 rue_house is there a good way to store brake pads/rotors/drums?
20:18 rue_house in a sealed box or argon?
20:19 dumbass-afk you can oil the non-business surfaces
20:19 dumbass-afk baggie and dessicant
21:16 GuShH rue_house: packing oil, or motor oil, wrapped in paper, in a cardboard box
21:16 GuShH wax paper is ideal
21:16 GuShH that's how they pack them in factory
21:17 GuShH they use oil soaked wax paper
21:17 GuShH works very well
21:17 GuShH good way to store steel tools for a long time as well
21:17 GuShH worst case scenario newspaper + any oil is better than no oil and no packing
21:18 GuShH got a 10mm b&d chuck for 1 usd, key missing
21:18 GuShH already have a key so I could use it as a tap holder or to hold small parts while grinding
21:25 dumbass-afk GuShH, don't want the brake pads in oil, and i'd rather not have oil on the working parts of the rotor
21:29 Tom_itx i always clean rotors with laquer thinner etc before using
21:31 dumbass-afk good move, Tom, i was just saying i'd rather they not be oiled,, they sit in the warehouse for years without oil before anyone buys them, why add oil?
21:34 rue_house bbl have to reboot
21:43 dumbass-afk http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/technology/personaltech/forget-the-punching-bag-try-the-robot.html
22:22 GuShH dumbass-afk: oiling the contact surfaces is ok, you just clean them
22:22 GuShH so you know better than they, the manufacturers do?
22:23 GuShH I see a pattern here.
22:23 GuShH they sit wrapped in oiled wax paper
22:23 dumbass-afk i never said that,, how are you doing on pouring the steam out of hot air?
22:23 GuShH unless you buy shit.
22:23 dumbass-afk i said *I* would not oil the rotors, i never said no one does
22:24 dumbass-afk they last for years on the vehicles too, and i *never* oil or grease them
22:25 dumbass-afk i will put copper neverseize where they mount tho, but not on the lug studs
22:25 dumbass-afk i have had to cut two rotors off the axle before
22:28 GuShH a bare rotor will rust overnight, surface rust
22:28 dumbass-afk ok
22:31 dumbass-afk ya know, i looked up under the truck the otehr day, the rotors were shiney
23:43 GuShH dumbass-afk: as long as they don't get wet they should remain so
23:44 GuShH most vehicles in use will get wet on a daily basis