#robotics Logs
Sep 15 2013
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00:02 any81808554 Tek also didn't make many options for how to interconnect scope plugins, altho they did try once : [uploading] http://designerthinking.com/TM7000.html
00:02 GuShH any81808554: here's the actual feedback or rather, plugin ideas: variable / dummy load, servo sequencer (as a tester, but capable of running a series of "commands" and "presets") and maybe even a low power mains isolation module, just thinking outside the box.
00:02 GuShH or rather inside? I'm lost.
00:02 any81808554 no, you are spot on, it's in the works
00:04 GuShH some low noise high gain amplifiers perhaps, unaware of what's actually available out there... voltage references for calibration purposes...
00:04 any81808554 same with being able to daisey-chain small 3-phase stepper driver by connecting to 3 bigger psu in the same mainframe
00:04 y81808554
00:04 GuShH hmm I wasn't thinking about it, but that's also very handy
00:05 GuShH so if you were to provide the same functionality in a small form factor (for "deployment" as these makers do) then it would be even more appealing
00:05 any81808554 http://designerthinking.com/TM7000.html <<== is up again for you to see how one *could possibly* interconnect various scope plugins in new and exciting ways
00:07 GuShH Nobody came up with this yet?
00:07 any81808554 correct
00:07 GuShH Fools
00:07 Faek Morons
00:08 any81808554 well, no one is patting me on the back for actually DOING it either
00:08 Faek I dont mnow what your talking about
00:08 GuShH you need that?
00:08 GuShH I get offended when someone pats my back
00:08 any81808554 i need feedback as to what the market wants, else i won't be selling what they want
00:09 GuShH Since I'm not part of the market...
00:09 any81808554 what i DID get is one "nice", and three "i didn't know you were so needy" , and something else i won't print
00:10 GuShH you'll get a lot more of that, mostly from envious dipshits.
00:10 any81808554 :-(
00:10 GuShH and that's why you shouldn't care about their opinion, it's irrelevant.
00:10 GuShH they want you to fail
00:10 any81808554 psychopaths with no feelings do get a lot further in this universe, don't they?
00:11 GuShH actually they seem to...
00:11 y81808554 nods s
00:11 GuShH and they live longer for some reason
00:11 any81808554 more money for medical care, housing, vacations, and sex
00:11 any81808554 less stress
00:12 y81808554 s
00:13 any81808554 i do good work, i have a good brain, i live in poverty
00:13 ShH ponders his own version of "yes man" but instead "asshole
00:13 any81808554 if you are done with the webpages, i can take them back down now?
00:14 GuShH if you want to
00:14 y81808554 fires up the
00:15 any81808554 89 pics, one down per sec
00:16 any81808554 done
00:17 GuShH any81808554: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/azb8Ryj_460s.jpg
00:17 any81808554 yeas :-/
00:18 GuShH solution: be more like Miley Cyrus
00:18 ace4016 except he didn't invent ac electricity >_>
00:18 GuShH shush
00:18 ace4016 and she was paid millions being a good girl on disney
00:19 ace4016 >_>
00:19 GuShH that you know of
00:19 ace4016 WRENCHES FOR EVERYBODY!
00:19 any81808554 disney prolly didn't have good drugs tho
00:19 GuShH behind the cameras she could've been twerking
00:19 any81808554 wrenches?
00:19 GuShH I'll take wrenches!
00:19 ace4016 oh most definitely, but to the public she was a good girl
00:19 GuShH I guess
00:19 ace4016 until she got off that contract :P
00:20 GuShH Then the whoring poured out of her pores
00:20 any81808554 wenches
00:20 ace4016 it's what happens when kids grow up too fast...or without the proper developmental stages
00:20 any81808554 or to move stuff, winches
00:20 ace4016 that, and to be in show biz you might have to be a bit crazy in the first place
00:20 Jak_o_Shadows hot wire cutter is done
00:21 GuShH http://i.imgur.com/u6i6hdE.png haha
00:22 any81808554 i wonder who is going to outdo Cyrus twerking, and how
00:22 GuShH we shall soon find out
00:22 ShH grabs the
00:22 GuShH theBear: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/205/893/35cake.jpg
00:23 any81808554 i have not seen the etymology of "twerking" in the mainstream media yet, i presume it's "twat working"
00:25 GargantuaSauce_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhYRtK0fBU
00:25 any81808554 ...
00:25 any81808554 youtube keeps crashing for me
00:25 any81808554 that may be a good thing
00:25 GuShH GargantuaSauce_: that's one ugly whore.
00:25 ShH
00:26 GuShH I didn't need to see that
00:26 Jak_o_Shadows doesn't have a fence yet though
00:27 any81808554 fence : two vicegrips and a hunk of L steel/aluminum
00:27 GuShH heh
00:27 GuShH http://www.tarborotimes.com/wp-content/themes/responz/themify/img.php?src=http://www.tarborotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/obama-meme-nsa-meme-verizon-share-everything-plan2.jpg&w=474&h=
00:28 any81808554 http://www.tarborotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/obama-meme-nsa-meme-verizon-share-everything-plan2.jpg
00:28 GuShH o.O
00:28 y81808554 wonders if all the whitehouse phone logs/transcripts are available for down
00:29 GuShH maybe
00:29 GuShH https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7795915520/h005C1FFD/
00:29 y81808554 looks frustr
00:30 GuShH why?
00:30 any81808554 i never know that answer
00:31 GuShH any81808554: can you see the similarities with the finger you made? http://home.scarlet.be/mini-draaien-frezen/images/06-kartel/kartel-g02.jpg heh looking to make one of those knurlers
00:31 any81808554 uncanny
00:32 GuShH http://home.scarlet.be/mini-draaien-frezen/pdf/kartel-1.pdf
00:32 y81808554 adds the command "knurl that guy's neck" to the r
00:32 GuShH It seems "kartelapparaat" means knurler in some... language...
00:32 GuShH dutch!
00:33 any81808554 google barfed on it
00:33 GuShH maybe kartelapparaaten
00:34 GuShH they were really wasted when they came up with their language.
00:34 GuShH clearly
00:34 GuShH maybe also knijpkartelapparaat
00:34 GuShH not making that up.
00:34 GuShH I guess you have to spit at least three times to say it.
00:35 GuShH time to sleep... bye any81808554!
00:35 GuShH stick around
00:35 any81808554 i think the dutch do like the germans when it comes to nouns: they make one word out of all that's known about it
00:35 any81808554 bye GuShH
00:38 any81808554 http://www.sarahmcculloch.com/luminary-uprise/2009/longest-word/
00:39 any81808554 Actually, the internet being a collection of electricity, i.e. electrons, is extremely negative. In fact, the internet is entirely negative.
00:39 GargantuaSauce_ hurrrr
00:40 any81808554 Im always stuck in the supermarket behind people asking the cashier if theres any Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylarginyltyrosylglutamylserylleucylphenylalanylalanylglutaminylleuc in the products.
03:40 arprez how can neural algorithms implemented in mechatronic circuitry?
04:04 GargantuaSauce_ arprez: a powerful microcontroller or microprocessor
04:06 R0b0t1 arprez, depends on what level of abstraction you want
04:06 R0b0t1 the strength of neurons is their ability to transmit analog signals with gain. There's another type of neuron, which uses ions, but it can really only do digital signalling but is much faster.
04:07 R0b0t1 Current work with neural networks involves simulating the weights (producing an analog system) and having some datastructure representing the network
04:07 R0b0t1 there's a new IBM chip which aims to implement, in hardware, a more biological layout
04:08 R0b0t1 I'm not sure what kind of intercore communication it has though
04:09 GargantuaSauce_ ive been meaning to try making a gpu-based implementation
04:14 arprez thing with neural implementation is
04:15 arprez to match the performance, a lot of complexity would nudge in, not to mention design and production cost
04:16 arprez my question was more like - say i treat raspberry pi as a imaginary robot's intelligence base
04:16 arprez (brain etc.)
04:17 arprez how can i go about it to encode neural algorithms, that if i care to connect say robo arms, would behave as per the algorithm?
04:19 GargantuaSauce_ generally when you're applying that sort of technique, you separate the problem into two parts
04:19 GargantuaSauce_ the part that can be modelled for classical robot control using a priori knowledge about the system and environment
04:20 GargantuaSauce_ and the part that is stochastic or full of unknowns
04:20 GargantuaSauce_ you don't just connect an actuator directly to the output of the neural network. that is a great way to get nowhere
04:21 GargantuaSauce_ you need to do some research
04:22 arprez hmm... thanx
04:26 GargantuaSauce_ no problem...would be interested in hearing more about what you intend to do
04:45 R0b0t1 arprez, look up a neural network library, but the main hurdle is adequately defining your problem and stimuli
04:45 R0b0t1 arprez, don't get too gung-ho with your AI though. It's fine to hardcode behavior (and most life operates this way).
10:07 MrCurious http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/1822201/study-our-3d-universe-could-have-originated-from-a-4d-black-hole
10:09 MrCurious why is this troubling?? could it be that we are trapped inside the event horizon of a back hole, and all our efforts are doomed to be trapped, disposed, and entombed for all eternity... never to be seen...
10:13 SleepersTide MrCurious: that's true anyway
10:15 MrCurious but there is hope of visiting other galaxies...
10:15 MrCurious unless we are all black holed away
10:18 SleepersTide I don't think you really realize how fucking big the universe is
10:18 SleepersTide of course we can visit other galaxies, they are also contained within the universe
10:18 SleepersTide an uncountable number of them
10:21 MrCurious oh, yeah i slipped a term
10:21 MrCurious big bang didnt make a glaxy, made a universe
10:22 MrCurious its early here
10:22 MrCurious maybe there will turn out to be a way to travel between branes
10:23 SleepersTide I doubt it
10:23 SleepersTide and I don't see the necessity
10:23 MrCurious thats it. squash all hope
10:23 MrCurious persistence of this instance of life
10:23 SleepersTide you will die long before that becomes relevant anyway
10:24 SleepersTide we haven't even made it off our own planet
10:24 MrCurious you are a bundle of joy today :D
10:24 SleepersTide I'm just being realistic
10:24 MrCurious we made it to the moon
10:24 MrCurious we shot some rocks into mars
10:24 MrCurious and we got a few probes out of the suns magnetosphere
10:24 SleepersTide the moon doesn't count because we haven't been back in any real sense
10:24 MrCurious heliosphere or some sphere
10:24 SleepersTide no colonies, no mining
10:24 MrCurious yeah, thats puzzling
10:25 MrCurious perhaps once we ferried the crashed aliens back to earth, the priorities changed
10:25 SleepersTide not really
10:25 SleepersTide it's because people in charge of where money goes decided there were more important things to do
10:26 MrCurious saw we have only explored 5% of ocecans
10:26 MrCurious that implies our jaunt into space was more of a skipping ahead, than an earned adventure
10:26 SleepersTide mhm
10:28 SleepersTide but seriously, doing work on how to get out of the universe now is like an ancient Sumerian writing an article on the finer points of the differences between iPhones and android phones
10:28 SleepersTide sure, it's interesting to think about
10:29 SleepersTide but there's a LOT of stuff we need to do before thinking about that in earnest
10:29 MrCurious its all about hope.. where there is hope there is life
10:30 SleepersTide that is technically true, as it's not possible for non-life to experience hope
10:30 SleepersTide maybe until we have AI
10:30 MrCurious i think we need to make self replicating space faring meshed probes
10:30 SleepersTide I think we need to solve world hunger and stop using fossil fuels
10:30 MrCurious send the message out everywhere that there is/was life
10:31 MrCurious those arent repubicaan issues...
10:31 MrCurious global warming isnt real (R)
10:31 SleepersTide and maybe stop killing each other while we're at it
10:31 MrCurious and God will care for the starving (R)
10:31 MrCurious war is good for economies
10:32 SleepersTide what are you trying to say?
10:32 MrCurious i am seeing earnest upswing in the number of windmills
10:32 Tom_itx SleepersTide, what's your plan for that?
10:33 MrCurious in a nutshell.. republicans are uneducated fanatical religious nut jobs who are only interested in what they can get from life
10:33 MrCurious thought that was more obvious
10:33 SleepersTide yeah
10:33 Tom_itx you're misled
10:34 SleepersTide Tom_itx: I dunno, but we can't feed anyone with moon rocks
10:34 MrCurious i think food isnt as dire a problem, as ...water
10:34 Tom_itx what's moon rocks got to do with anything?
10:34 SleepersTide although money that would otherwise have gone to space industry surely didn't go to foreign aid
10:34 MrCurious potablle water is very scarce, and america and europe appear to be having a FRACKING probllem
10:35 Tom_itx what got us there has advanced our lifestyles and created new tech we otherwise wouldn't have figured out
10:35 MrCurious new tech that lead to advances in food production, transportation, communication, and general knowledge
10:35 Tom_itx which may have been a good thing. we probably wouldn't have so many deaths due to cell phone txt ing
10:36 MrCurious no cell texting deaths is a good thing
10:36 MrCurious we dont want to evolutionary reinforce that trait
10:36 SleepersTide noooope nope nope nope eugenics nope
10:36 Tom_itx democrats just want to lead us further and further into debt and make us more reliant on govenment aid
10:36 Tom_itx so they can tell us how to live
10:37 MrCurious wouldnt hurt if people limited themselves to 1 or 2 babies rather than having huge families and crowding out others. very selfish that is
10:37 SleepersTide y'all sure talk a lot of shit for a robotics channel
10:37 MrCurious democrats remove debt. its repubicans that dont pay for the shit they buy
10:37 Tom_itx then you'd have ppl killing babies
10:37 MrCurious better to do it before you invest in them
10:38 MrCurious SleepersTide: oh! do you have a robotic issue to discuss, those take priority...
10:38 Tom_itx SleepersTide, and you seem to be responding to it
10:38 SleepersTide Tom_itx: it started with MrCurious being confused at the difference between galaxies and the universe
10:39 MrCurious its true
10:39 MrCurious then the futility of escape
10:39 Tom_itx galaxies are part of the universe
10:39 MrCurious then it was about shitting in our pool
10:39 MrCurious yes, we covered that
10:39 Tom_itx universe is the whole expanse of space
10:39 SleepersTide yes, we covered that
10:39 Tom_itx which is expanding as we chat
10:40 MrCurious that we can see... it could be a 4th dimensional black hole created by a 4d stars collapse
10:40 SleepersTide why don't you just read the scrollback?
10:40 MrCurious all very troubing
10:40 SleepersTide no, not in the least
10:40 MrCurious http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/1822201/study-our-3d-universe-could-have-originated-from-a-4d-black-hole
10:40 Tom_itx i figured you knew that already MrCurious
10:40 SleepersTide it doesn't really change anything to know that, if it's true
10:40 Tom_itx you can preach anything that can't be proven
10:40 MrCurious still not convinced that you lot are real, and anything other than shades created to placate my eternal solitude
10:41 SleepersTide MrCurious: define "real"
10:41 Tom_itx i'm not real, just a part of your subconcious
10:41 Tom_itx this is all a dream
10:41 MrCurious there in lies the nub of the problem
10:43 SleepersTide if you can't define real, then it doesn't really matter if we are or aren't, does it?
10:45 MrCurious well you cant define real
10:45 SleepersTide sure you can
10:45 MrCurious how can you prove your senses dont lile
10:46 SleepersTide oh, the definition might not be accurate or correct
10:46 MrCurious and your not just a brain connected to a simulation run by a satan fellow
10:46 SleepersTide but you can define it as much as you like
10:46 SleepersTide I now define real as potato
10:47 SleepersTide therefore you are not real because you are not potato
10:47 MrCurious ultimately you have to take it on faith that your senses accurately portray the world around you.
10:48 MrCurious otherwise for all you know the devil is pulling the strings and manipulating the play that you are staring in
10:48 SleepersTide nothing wrong with the latter situation, really
10:48 MrCurious assuming a benevolent devil...
10:49 SleepersTide you can still do stuff and stuff happens as a result of what you did
10:49 SleepersTide does it really matter if it's an illusion?
10:49 MrCurious if illusion always obeys the rules
10:49 MrCurious but by nature illusion is not forced to follow rules
10:50 SleepersTide but in this case, it does
10:50 MrCurious lets go back to robots
10:51 MrCurious just as i suspected, he wasnt real
11:00 SquirrelCZECH yep
11:00 SquirrelCZECH guys
11:01 SquirrelCZECH could someone force me to work 24/7
11:01 SquirrelCZECH and finish my projects?
11:01 SquirrelCZECH it would be nice
11:01 SquirrelCZECH to have things in real and not in my head
11:01 MrCurious when you finish your project.... there will be cake
11:01 SquirrelCZECH cake is a lie
11:01 SquirrelCZECH !
11:01 MrCurious damn. everyone knows!
11:01 SquirrelCZECH :-)
11:02 uirrelCZECH is listening to: Portal - Still A
11:02 SquirrelCZECH MrCurious: but thanks you reminded mi this song
11:02 MrCurious :)
11:05 SquirrelCZECH naaaaah
11:05 uirrelCZECH have to find IRC channel full of software "theory" pe
11:05 SquirrelCZECH because I need to figure out osmething and dunno how :-/
11:05 SquirrelCZECH (it's all about security)
11:17 MrCurious i dont think piracy killed the music industry. i think http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ and a glut of amateur artists making good-enough music did
14:27 mumptai anyone got a good idea for a robotics competition?
14:28 Tom_itx minisumo
14:28 Tom_itx firefighting maze
14:28 Tom_itx laser deathray ... winner take all
14:28 mumptai indoors, table-top preferably, two robots head to head?
14:29 Tom_itx minisumo is
14:29 Tom_itx google rink size
14:29 Tom_itx about 3' round
14:29 Tom_itx white boundary black background
14:29 Tom_itx use ir to stay in bounds
14:29 mumptai minisumo with decent robots is pretty boring to watch
14:29 mumptai start, zack, beng, done
14:30 Tom_itx ok make a team of soccer bots then
14:31 mumptai robocup small size stagnated some year ago
14:32 mumptai (and 5+1 robots at 3k a piece is expensive too)
14:33 mumptai collecting stuff and dumping in a playing field corner?
14:34 mumptai okay, sounds boring?
14:34 any81808554 instead of fighting robots, how about they do something useful and constructive?
14:34 mumptai competing, not necessarily fighting ;)
14:35 mumptai collect the most stuff, in a fixed amount of time
14:35 Tom_itx pop can bot has only been done once successfully afik
14:35 Tom_itx dave anderson's bot
14:35 mumptai the team with the most stuff wins
14:35 mumptai pop can bot?
14:36 any81808554 ok, compete to build a desalination facility and dig a pipe from usa gulf coast to Wichita to deliver a million acre-feet of fresh water there
14:36 mumptai like popping or crushing?
14:36 Tom_itx http://www.geology.smu.edu/dpa-www/robots/sr04/index.html
14:38 any81808554 lot of call for collecting upright soda cans, ignoring those knocked over on their sides?
14:38 mumptai that was the best competitor?
14:39 Tom_itx hands down
14:39 Tom_itx the best
14:39 mumptai mhmm
14:40 any81808554 and yet, USPS and UPS and FedEx still suck,,, but thee's the best upright soda can collector aroud
14:40 mumptai actually, i remember some similar themed thing
14:41 mumptai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2JpupOpe5I
14:43 any81808554 you realise if you place robotic catapults every mile, in unused baseball/football/cow fields, and shot the mail to the next one, you could beat the USPS at mail delivery?
14:44 LoRez kat?
14:44 any81808554 gonna re-akill/kline me now?
14:45 mumptai ahh, that was intended to be trolling?
14:45 any81808554 no
14:45 any81808554 just saying line following and can collectng has been done to death, and hasn't helped anyone
14:46 any81808554 you need to be as inventive as you hope your Ai/robot will be some day
14:46 Tom_itx i can neither confirm or deny that
14:47 y81808554 waits on LoRez to hit the Big Red Bu
14:47 mumptai probably a lot of people have learned something from it, so it isn't pointless
14:48 katsmeow what did they learn from it that caused better thing to happen?
14:49 mumptai awww, c'mon, teamwork, planning, mechanics, electronics, software and if you don't build a purely reactive machine it also requires a fair amount of math
14:50 katsmeow but not a better or more productive robot?
14:51 mumptai maybe, if more experienced persons build better robots
14:51 mumptai so its up to the competitors in the end
14:51 katsmeow fail
14:53 mumptai why is that a fail?
14:54 mumptai or: what wouldn't be big ugly fail?
14:54 katsmeow because : <Tom_itx> http://www.geology.smu.edu/dpa-www/robots/sr04/index.html <<== that was the best robot, and his last one, he didn't do any better, and neither did anyone else
14:55 Tom_itx doesn't mean it can't be improved
14:55 katsmeow but it *isn't* being improved, at best it's being copied
14:55 mumptai well, i'm sure i can do better
14:55 katsmeow please do!
14:56 katsmeow and make it, or a collection of its, able to collect dead car tires by the side of the road, and all those dumped into the ocean as reefs off Fla
14:56 katsmeow thank you :-)
14:57 mumptai but it appears to me that there isn't any competition at all
14:57 tsmeow challenges you to d
14:57 katsmeow there, competition
14:58 Tom_itx challengee should make one to challenge as well
14:58 katsmeow me having a robot would annoy the neighbor's dog
14:59 mumptai okay, but we might have to by video, i'm sitting on a different continent
15:02 mumptai oops, there no proper verb in last sentence
15:02 mumptai +do
15:02 tsmeow lets rue or Tom make the challe
15:02 katsmeow i did Tiggr, and we all know how big a flop that was
15:02 mumptai url?
15:03 katsmeow not any more
15:04 mumptai :(
15:06 katsmeow Tiggr wasn't welcome anywhere, and i was klined from freenode, so why are *you* unhappy?
15:06 mumptai aww, that kind
15:06 katsmeow make your own ro/bot
15:07 katsmeow "that kind" ? you didn't see the last uploads of the robot finger last nite before i took them offline again
15:07 mumptai nope
15:08 katsmeow i could visegrip it to the edge of the table and put all my weight on the end of the finger without damaging it
15:09 katsmeow i showed it to someone irl, and the man visably shivered as he watched it move, and crossed "the uncanny valley"
15:10 MrCurious make a mud skipper that can travel in the soft mud below streams rivers and lakes while sampling or sensing the contents of the silty depths
15:10 MrCurious like a sub, but for the ycuky stage between water and dirt
15:11 MrCurious that been done to death
15:21 MrCurious seems like irc logs would be a great candidate for a solr indexing
15:25 MrCurious so NY police tried to shoot a crazy person with a loaded finger who wanted to be shot, but instead hit 2 innocent women
15:25 MrCurious this is broken on so many levels
15:26 MrCurious shoot the homeless, but dont practice first
15:32 R0b0t1 Actually in NY there's been a number of incidents related to some inane law about increased trigger weight. It's too hard to pull so you jerk when you fire.
15:53 LoRez katsmeow-afk: why would I kline you?
15:54 Tom_itx she felt someone in here did that last time she got banned
15:55 LoRez perhaps she should've just asked
16:00 e4016 remembers...ace4016 remembers everyt
16:02 MrCurious Tom_itx: why are you klining women
16:03 MrCurious women good.... women friends....
16:03 MrCurious women soft....
16:03 ace4016 tom isn't an ircop iirc...maybe he is
16:04 ace4016 freenode likes to hide powers
16:04 MrCurious who said that
16:04 ace4016 the ghost of chrismas pass!
16:36 katsmeow-afk LoRez , because someone went to #freenode and got another ircop in here to kline me, which is why i wasn't here for so long, and i am still waiting on it to happen again
16:39 MrCurious its nice to have you back
16:39 MrCurious the more the merrier. do you make robots and stuf?
16:39 MrCurious katsmeow-afk....
16:39 katsmeow-afk [14:16] -verne.freenode.net- *** No Ident response
16:39 katsmeow-afk [14:16] You are banned from this server- Spam is off topic on freenode. mail kline@freenode.net if in error (2012/11/17 01.18)
16:40 tsmeow-afk
16:40 MrCurious can you wait here a second.. i have to fetch someone
16:40 MrCurious j/k
16:41 katsmeow-afk [00:19] -holmes.freenode.net- *** No Ident response
16:41 katsmeow-afk [00:19] You are banned from this server-
16:41 MrCurious thats normal
16:41 MrCurious run a irc client that has identd
16:41 MrCurious without it, it will boot you i think
16:41 MrCurious in the old daays it used to just call you ~user@foo.com
16:41 katsmeow-afk goddamn it, it wasn't about the ident, i was just pasting the frigging server name
16:42 MrCurious sorry, my brilliance comes more in spurts than in a stream...
16:42 MrCurious been somewhat clogged of late...
16:43 GargantuaSauce_ i blame windows
16:43 GargantuaSauce_ i get nothing done when i have windows running within 10m of me too
16:43 MrCurious that could totally be it
16:43 MrCurious i updated bios yesterday, cant wait to get home and re-try hackintoshing
16:43 tsmeow-afk is SO sorry she said anyt
16:46 MrCurious life is more about regretting the things we didnt do, than the things we did
16:46 MrCurious katsmeow-afk: got a page showing your robotics?
16:48 katsmeow-afk nope, just designerthinking.com
16:49 katsmeow-afk Tiggrbot domain is down or not mine anymore, and i simply won't finish the others
16:51 katsmeow-afk even if the pages were still up, i wouldn't talk about them, i learned that just prior to being klines last year
16:52 katsmeow-afk i quit updating the robot finger, size-proportional to the human finger, done in steel, with ball bearings at the joints, because the tendon color was same as what got me laughed at on the pcb driller, which i then deleted from the internet and cut up with a torch
16:54 katsmeow-afk i have not made a pcb since
17:04 Tom_itx PINK!!?
17:05 Tom_itx that was at least 2 yrs ago
17:05 Tom_itx you should maybe let it go now
17:06 MrCurious robot finger...
17:06 MrCurious friends been trying to convince me telepresence and intercource-robotics are the path to gold...
17:06 MrCurious not sure i buy it
17:06 Tom_itx no, she made a U joint using some string
17:06 MrCurious oh
17:06 Tom_itx someone commented on the color
17:06 MrCurious MOVING on....
17:08 katsmeow-afk Tom, it's not been proven i, or anything i do, is acceptable yet,,,,, i been waiting on an email with feedback on those Tektronix plugins for 7 days now
17:08 katsmeow-afk i know i won't get it
17:08 Tom_itx k
17:09 GargantuaSauce_ teledildonics is the path to the future
17:09 katsmeow-afk In the following areas, ask these questions to see if you are abusing or being abused:
17:09 katsmeow-afk Humiliation, degradation, discounting, negating. judging, criticizing:
17:09 katsmeow-afk Does anyone make fun of you or put you down in front of others?
17:09 katsmeow-afk Do they tease you, use sarcasm as a way to put you down or degrade you?
17:09 katsmeow-afk When you complain do they say that "it was just a joke" and that you are too sensitive?
17:16 KongfuPanda hello robotics people
17:16 KongfuPanda what you up to?
17:16 GargantuaSauce_ making a shitty serial<->nrf24l01 bridge with an avr
17:16 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, that's cool. In software or hardware terms?
17:17 GargantuaSauce_ yes
17:17 KongfuPanda both?
17:17 GargantuaSauce_ yeah
17:17 KongfuPanda I see
17:17 GargantuaSauce_ currently just breadboarded but i'll make a protoboard once i have the software working
17:17 KongfuPanda that's cool, I wish I could do stuff on a breadboard
17:17 KongfuPanda I'm not so advanced
17:18 GargantuaSauce_ breadboarding is how you learn how to do stuff
17:18 GargantuaSauce_ all you need going in is knowing how to read a schematic
17:18 GargantuaSauce_ and not to make a low-resistance path from +v to ground
17:31 MrCurious katsmeow-afk: i mock my friends with sarchasm all the time... but i make sure they mock back, otherwise i am just a mean old man....
17:35 tsmeow-afk
17:37 MrCurious KongfuPanda: when you do breadboarding, cut the wires on resistors and shit to shorter lengths. keeps em from twisting, shorting and blowing up your arduinos..
17:37 katsmeow-afk it was a wonderful coupling i made, very cheap, strong, no slop in it, handled sharp angles easily, but i'll never put it online again
17:37 MrCurious there just saved you $60
17:37 MrCurious coupling... sounds like a knot
17:38 katsmeow-afk ok
17:38 MrCurious did NY cops shoot a 112 year old man this week
17:38 KongfuPanda MrCurious, I guess it's just my educational path is not really in that direction :D I had some electronics lessons during my Physics degree, but it's not a lot of practice . I made a robot, where I just plugged in servos to a controller and programmed it :) quick and easy
17:39 katsmeow-afk i dunno,, NC cops shot a guy who was asking for help after just surviving a car wreck
17:39 GargantuaSauce_ i have a compsci degree
17:39 GargantuaSauce_ didn't stop me from learning this stuff on the side
17:39 MrCurious i have comp sci degrees
17:39 GargantuaSauce_ you just gotta sit down and do stuff
17:39 MrCurious when playing with a motor driver, the breadboard twisted shorting the 12v into the avr
17:40 MrCurious around the 2nd time i cut the leads so it wouldnt
17:41 katsmeow-afk glue it to a sheet of hardboard, lexi, or steel, visegrip that to the table
17:41 katsmeow-afk of do like i do: bolt it to a 3/4 slab of steel with rubber bottom on it, and it will usually stay put
17:42 katsmeow-afk i got tired of soldering iron stands tipping over and melting things,,,,, they don't do dat anymore
17:43 MrCurious yeah, experience is a great teacher
17:46 katsmeow-afk hanging stuff from the ceiling helps get things off the table too, works real well if you planned ahead and built the house with open beams up there
17:46 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, how old are you? if you don't mind me asking
17:46 GargantuaSauce_ 23
17:46 katsmeow-afk shame i can do all the stuff i do, and i am still a useless dumbass
17:46 KongfuPanda I'm just so busy, I don't have time really to learn things properly that are like a hobby to me
17:46 KongfuPanda I'm 25, doing a PhD in material science
17:46 GargantuaSauce_ one step at a time
17:47 GargantuaSauce_ just take a couple hours a week
17:47 GargantuaSauce_ read Getting Started In Electronics by Mims
17:48 MrCurious i am 47... just jump right in, show no fear, and dont accept defeat
17:48 KongfuPanda MrCurious, it's funny when a huge capacitor explodes because you didn't know that they have polarity :D
17:48 MrCurious and try to acquire th most toys, thats the success criteria...
17:48 MrCurious they have hot oil in them too
17:48 GargantuaSauce_ and pretty pink smoke
17:48 MrCurious sometimes they explode NOT on purpose
17:48 KongfuPanda yeah, I was lucky it wasn't pointing in my face
17:49 MrCurious our garage opener popped, ,shot hot oil a good 12 feet
17:49 MrCurious would have screwed someone up but good
17:49 KongfuPanda I was putting some various caps to stabilize the load on my robot's batteries
17:50 KongfuPanda MrCurious, bah, that's dangerous
17:54 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, do you have a robot?
17:54 GargantuaSauce_ i have a whole constellation of projects on the go
17:54 GargantuaSauce_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj9gFFyR3-Y this is the most complete
17:55 MrCurious have you seen the videos where they charge an insane capicator bank, and vaporize copper, and vapor coat ceramic
17:55 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, YOU HAVE A HEXAPOD??? !! I have too
17:56 MrCurious its a miracle! what are the odds!
17:56 GargantuaSauce_ http://workman-industries.net/images/hexapod/servoboard_front.jpg http://workman-industries.net/images/hexapod/servoboard_back.jpg
17:56 GargantuaSauce_ there's the electronics for it
17:56 GargantuaSauce_ (mcu dev board not shown)
17:56 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, yours is much more advanced. I can see you have nice stuff in your garage or whatever
17:56 GargantuaSauce_ thaaat's my living room
17:57 MrCurious got the new servos yet?
17:57 GargantuaSauce_ no just ordered a couple days ago
17:57 GargantuaSauce_ gonna come on china time of course
17:57 MrCurious the waiting suxx
17:57 GargantuaSauce_ eh, i have other stuff to work on in the meantime
17:57 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, :D oh, it's quite messy . I just have a small box of things for my robot. DO you want to see my video?
17:57 GargantuaSauce_ sure
17:59 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, it was 1 year ago, I replaced all servos now to metal servos (from SG9 to MG90 or something) and I vastly improved the programming and speed. I should really record a new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FxWpbLiw5g
17:59 KongfuPanda oh, wait, 2011, tht'as like 2 years ago
17:59 KongfuPanda bah
17:59 GargantuaSauce_ oh i've seen that
17:59 GargantuaSauce_ needs more IK :)
17:59 KongfuPanda what's IK?
18:00 GargantuaSauce_ inverse kinematics
18:00 KongfuPanda yeah
18:00 KongfuPanda I'm also trying something new
18:00 KongfuPanda I added like an option to measure servo load
18:00 KongfuPanda so if it steps on something I will balance the loard
18:00 KongfuPanda but still need to program this properly
18:00 GargantuaSauce_ wait have i spoken with you on reddit?
18:00 KongfuPanda I don't use reddit
18:01 GargantuaSauce_ ok different guy then
18:01 KongfuPanda society of robots?
18:01 GargantuaSauce_ nope
18:03 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, I will post on my blog how I implemented the measuring current thing. Apparently rue also has a thread about it. What I did was just cut the GND wire of the servo, solder a 0.1 Ohm resistor. Now, the terminal of the resistor away from the ground will have some voltage drop, and I just hook to a wire to this teminal and connect it to an ADC on the controller, so I can measure...
18:03 KongfuPanda ...the voltage with the ADC.
18:04 katsmeow-afk no polarity protection diodes?
18:04 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, this is what I measured when I don't put force on the servo, some force and big force: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26776513/SERVO_LOAD.jpg
18:04 GuShH KongfuPanda: low side
18:04 KongfuPanda GuShH, huh?
18:04 GuShH low side current sensing.
18:05 GargantuaSauce_ cool, i am considering using current shunts on the next iteration of my electronics too
18:05 GargantuaSauce_ but might not bother i dunno
18:05 KongfuPanda why not bother?
18:05 GuShH that's the term for when you measure near ground
18:05 GargantuaSauce_ because there are going to be 24 of them
18:05 KongfuPanda oh I see
18:05 KongfuPanda I also have 18 servos, but I'm only gonna hook up 6 of them
18:05 KongfuPanda I have 16 ADC
18:06 GuShH why does it have to rain so much...
18:06 KongfuPanda GuShH, maybe it's like Noah's story happening again
18:07 GuShH so maybe I should put the cats in a raft?
18:07 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, do you have IK in your robot?
18:07 GargantuaSauce_ yes
18:07 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, what exactly do you mean by IK?
18:07 GuShH inverse kinematics
18:07 KongfuPanda I know
18:07 GargantuaSauce_ the actuation is defined by a position to put the foot in
18:08 GuShH solved in realtime
18:08 GargantuaSauce_ then the angles for the joints are solved
18:08 KongfuPanda I mean in your robot specifically
18:08 KongfuPanda don't you just find the angles yourself and then tell your robot to move to those angles in a sequence?
18:08 KongfuPanda why solve something?
18:08 GargantuaSauce_ because you can specify an arbitrary position for the foot, then
18:09 KongfuPanda hmm
18:09 KongfuPanda I'm not following
18:09 KongfuPanda what do you mean by arbitrary?
18:09 GargantuaSauce_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tR0TDsWCls
18:10 GargantuaSauce_ as in, dependent on user input, or whatever
18:10 ShH puts a box near KongfuPanda's "ro
18:10 GargantuaSauce_ chosen at runtime
18:10 KongfuPanda oh, I see. So, you basically just tell where you want the base to be, and the leg positions are calculated automatically?
18:10 GargantuaSauce_ yeah
18:10 KongfuPanda that's a good idea
18:10 KongfuPanda I should do something like that
18:11 GargantuaSauce_ https://bitbucket.org/Ultrasauce/robots/src/1437ed28404239a600147b4417e1b3899e569af0/stm32/hexapod/walker.c?at=master you can gawk at my opaque code if you want
18:11 GuShH that looks like a sand buggy had sex with a spider
18:12 katsmeow-afk shame zhanx's webpages and pics aren't available about his spider(s)
18:12 GuShH most likely a honda pilot buggy. you know these japanese...
18:12 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, thanks a lot !! I will definitely nick some of that code :)
18:13 GargantuaSauce_ i have no idea if an avr with soft floats would be fast enough for it though
18:14 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, I don't use the microcontroller to do calculations. I use a 115000 baudrate bluetooth to send data to matlab and back, matlab will do it quickly :D
18:14 GargantuaSauce_ lol
18:14 GargantuaSauce_ >quickly
18:15 KongfuPanda why lol?
18:15 GuShH so there's potentially a laptop being strapped to your "robot" ?
18:15 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, you don't think baudrate is fast enough?
18:15 GuShH shame on you
18:15 KongfuPanda GuShH, you are seeking a lot of attention today !
18:16 GuShH not really
18:16 KongfuPanda (づ￣ 3￣)づ
18:16 GuShH thin client robotics...
18:16 KongfuPanda GuShH, do you not like my idea of this robot?
18:16 GargantuaSauce_ i think autonomy is a good thing
18:17 GuShH I like that I can render it useless by emitting random noise at the bluetooth spectrum.
18:17 GuShH then I can simply step on it to finally rule the world.
18:17 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, well, I would like it to be a "vessel" rather than autonomous :)
18:17 robotustra GargantuaSauce_: is it your robot on video?
18:17 KongfuPanda GuShH, you are talking nonsense now
18:18 GuShH what's that black van around the corner doing? it always seems to be around when you show off your hexapod?
18:18 GargantuaSauce_ yes robotustra
18:18 robotustra nice
18:18 GargantuaSauce_ the floppy one, not zenta's
18:18 KongfuPanda robotustra, the first video
18:18 robotustra I mean this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tR0TDsWCls
18:18 GuShH make sure it executes an "afraid" motion whenever it gets disconnected from bt
18:18 GargantuaSauce_ oh yeah sorry no that is not mine
18:19 GargantuaSauce_ hopefully in a month or two i'll have one with similar capabilities
18:19 GargantuaSauce_ well, similar-ish
18:19 GargantuaSauce_ that one has $60 servos
18:19 GuShH taking note. in a month or two we shall make fun of you
18:20 robotustra :)
18:20 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, which servos are you using?
18:20 GargantuaSauce_ currently MG996R
18:20 GargantuaSauce_ soon S3315D
18:21 GuShH zenta's is 3mm plywood?
18:21 GuShH or aluminum laser cut
18:21 GargantuaSauce_ is it? figured aluminium
18:21 GuShH just asking they all look the same to me.
18:22 GuShH oh yeah this one is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IAZpuwhqew
18:22 GuShH they still paint them black, out of shame.
18:22 GuShH you know what would really make them cool? if they had a barbie on the cockpit.
18:23 KongfuPanda GargantuaSauce_, do you think my hexapod robot is a laughing stock for people? :D
18:23 GargantuaSauce_ i think without being self-contained its capabilities are quite limited
18:24 GuShH if you spent less time worrying about what others have to think about yourself or what you do, you'd be able to achieve a lot more.
18:24 GargantuaSauce_ and i have an irrational hate for matlab
18:24 MrCurious OMFG http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/15/nsa-mind-keith-alexander-star-trek
18:24 robotustra power http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74_gOql1rNo
18:24 GuShH Where's RifRaf?
18:24 KongfuPanda well, I'm not bothered about self-contained. I wanted it to be specifically controlled by matlab. But the fact that I can't even make some basic IK and so on makes it laughable :(
18:25 GuShH you start somewhere
18:25 GuShH usually near the bottom.
18:25 GuShH robotustra: haha that's great
18:28 KongfuPanda anyway
18:28 KongfuPanda I'm gonna go to bed now
18:28 KongfuPanda night lads
18:28 KongfuPanda :D
18:31 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I kept thinking about the lined idea, It's just that I don't have means to braze or weld stainless at this moment, it could be a cheap alternative though since steel is readily available and I can source the stainless sheets for the liner... Assuming it was watertight at a few PSI and the fit was near perfect to avoid deformations / stressing and possibly rupturing the vessel, then it would work except I've no idea
18:31 GuShH how I would deal with fittings and such puncturing through, if they won't get brazed from the inside...
18:33 tsmeow-afk
18:36 katsmeow-afk you want the same pressure inside as outside the liner, it serves only to keep the rusty water out of the clean insides
18:38 tsmeow-afk builds a pressure vessel out of cheap common steel, paints it with 2-part epoxy, and blows up a weather balloon inside it for a few hours till the epoxy sets and holds the baloon tight to the s
18:38 GuShH hah
18:38 GuShH for the portable machines steel also imposes a weight issue
18:39 katsmeow-afk oh
18:39 GuShH most epoxy I've dealt with isn't very flexible
18:39 GuShH it tends to crack even with minute deformations
18:40 GuShH and things like jbweld (the regular one at least) turn to mush at medium temperatures!
18:40 GuShH also emitting noxious fumes.
18:40 katsmeow-afk try that spray foam in a can?
18:40 GuShH polyurethane?
18:41 GuShH for a heat shield it works wonders
18:41 GuShH that's what they use in most hot water tanks
18:42 ShH has a new one with foam and an old one lined in asbestos, which as far as he can tell insulates just as well if not be
18:42 katsmeow-afk i meant as the adhesive
18:42 GuShH it doesn't set then
18:43 katsmeow-afk i "glued" a mirror to a piece of steel with it 10 yrs ago, outside,, and it's still attached
18:43 GuShH I had some left inside a glove and a couple days later it was still gooey
18:43 GuShH (cheap nitrilie gloves)
18:44 katsmeow-afk cheap nitrile seems to be airtight, eh?
18:44 GuShH doesn't seem to be the right type of glove for dealing with foam and a roof
18:44 GuShH it was all broken up though
18:45 GuShH which reminds me I need to buy some more, I ran out and decided to use latex when dealing with some car issues.. they fall apart with the oil heh
18:45 ShH wonders how many unwanted pregnancies are attributed to this pro
18:46 MrCurious cant possibly go wrong... http://www.channel4.com/news/drones-autonomous-weapons-royal-air-force-terminator
18:46 MrCurious lets make them self replicating too while we are at it
18:48 katsmeow-afk there is a gun used in the DMZ tween the Koreas, it can't be controlled by humans because it fires too fast
18:48 GuShH where can I get one of those?
18:49 GuShH "for home defense"
18:49 katsmeow-afk i think you haveto make it yourself
18:50 GuShH "I don't know officer, I heard a noise and I hit the red button. Where the wall used to be is where they were standing, that there pink stain could surely serve as a clue to know who they were, right? <polishes barrel>"
18:51 GuShH katsmeow-afk: like they make and refurbish guns in caves over at pakistan?
18:51 GuShH the guys working on them don't even know how to speak their own language
18:51 GuShH they were doing that since they were little kids
18:52 GuShH but hey, it means you get to buy a high powered rifle with 50 usd.
18:52 katsmeow-afk prolly, but they don't make them to fire 1000's of rounds/sec
18:53 katsmeow-afk even firing 10/sec is only 600/minute
18:54 katsmeow-afk in the case of this gun, it's more of a problem just to aim it fast enough, the rounds/sec is astronomical
18:55 katsmeow-afk oh, and it fires 12 and 10 guage shotgun slugs
18:55 katsmeow-afk altho you wouldn't recognise them
18:56 GuShH at the other side of the gun?
18:56 katsmeow-afk a human can fit the thing on, it does an optical and radar search and destroy
18:56 katsmeow-afk flip
18:56 GuShH how does it tell friend from foe
18:57 katsmeow-afk saw a video of it, they popped up a target, there was an earblasting roar, the entire human-sized sheet of plywood was splintered, gone
18:57 katsmeow-afk easy: in the DMZ there is no friend
18:58 GuShH there shouldn't be anyone at the dmz!
18:59 GuShH so they're sentry guns ...
19:01 tsmeow-afk
19:05 katsmeow-afk i don't recall what it was called, but you could load 1000 rounds in it, and it would empty well under a second
19:08 katsmeow-afk it was electrically fired, firing pins were too slow
19:09 katsmeow-afk the early versions were problematic in that the G forces from the first 100 or so rounds being fired would detonate the remaining shells in the gun
19:11 katsmeow-afk they also cannot put the video cameras on the gun, because of the shock and the massive amount of smoke
19:12 GargantuaSauce_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE this thing?
19:13 katsmeow-afk error occured, please try again later, when we will give you the same error msg
19:14 katsmeow-afk 1,000,000 rounds per minute, sounds about right
19:16 katsmeow-afk it's lil cousin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iT25FUG3z4
19:32 tsmeow-afk tries to order something from a 28 yr old computer cat
19:34 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I like the comments... "I've seen a gun in? the navy on a civilian tour. It's so fast, it sounds like a whistle. Starts out as a scream. Becomes a high pitched whistle. Ends as a scream. Several thousand rounds a second. Computer aimed, controlled and fired. Can stop anything coming at your ship and then slash up the attacking ship like an angry nigger in a white kindergarten class."
19:35 GuShH I'm more interested in their loading mechanisms than anything else
19:35 katsmeow-afk but no stamina, it empties all the ammo off your ship faster than you can possibly get more onboard
19:35 katsmeow-afk the shipboard one is chain drive from below, afaik
19:35 GuShH no jams?
19:36 katsmeow-afk jams are not allowed
19:36 GuShH at that speed it could be nasty
19:36 katsmeow-afk yeas
19:36 GargantuaSauce_ oh yeah CIWS is insane
19:37 GargantuaSauce_ except there's no IFF
19:37 katsmeow-afk no time for IFF
19:37 GargantuaSauce_ which seems to me has had the expected result a couple times
19:37 katsmeow-afk imagine Iran sends out 30 speedboats, each with 10 exocets
19:38 GuShH only 30?
19:38 katsmeow-afk worse yet: 200 exocets floating an inch below the water's surface
19:39 GuShH oh noes we must focus all of our efforts in life to prevent the possibilities!
19:39 GuShH clowns
19:39 katsmeow-afk there is so much put into fighting a war, and so little into avoiding one
19:39 katsmeow-afk well, cept the TIA programs
19:42 Tom_itx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE
19:42 Tom_itx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlnMwuCZso
19:43 katsmeow-afk Iran announced many years ago they'd be pre-positioning nukes, shotcreted to look like rocks, anywhere the usa could float a CAG over them, that's really hard to defend against with any gun
19:46 katsmeow-afk and China (and othe countries) announced it can target CAG from space, yet the usa keeps building carriers
19:47 katsmeow-afk "lets put a boat out there they cannot possibly miss, even if they tried"
20:00 ShH waits for breaking
20:00 Faek http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod2160196a&_requestid=34349
20:00 GuShH it's been raining all day long, I couldn't even try my angle grinder fence idea
20:00 orlok been raining all day here too, though its only 10:45am
20:01 orlok i drove in to work in 4wd
20:01 orlok at least new job is only 30 minutes drive away
20:01 GuShH who works on a sunday!
20:01 GuShH or is it monday already over there
20:01 orlok Its monday, backwards person!
20:02 GuShH could be in australia
20:02 GuShH you crazy bastards!
20:02 orlok yes, it is. 10:47am monday morning
20:02 GuShH 9:47 PM Sunday biatch.
20:02 Faek Hmm... Eastern states?
20:02 orlok yup
20:02 GuShH Argentina
20:02 Faek Only 10:17 he
20:02 Faek here
20:02 GuShH Faek: he's in THE FUTURE we should take advantage of this
20:03 GuShH let he tell us the winning lotto numbers and then we'll .... oh wait
20:03 ShH g
20:03 ek sh
20:03 ShH fr
20:03 ek raises an eye
20:04 ShH idly injects some lithium in Faek's
20:04 GuShH that should fix it
20:04 orlok Faek: want to buy an oscilloscope?
20:04 Faek my brother wants obe
20:05 orlok i'm after $4k or so for this one
20:05 Faek I dont think i'm a good enough brother to buy him one
20:05 orlok heh
20:05 GuShH you didn't even say which scope it is
20:05 GuShH did you find it by the side of the road by chance
20:05 orlok no
20:06 Faek Ive only used textronix ones
20:06 orlok Tek 5104 4ch 1Ghz DSO, 5Gs/s, colour display, full docs, stand, case, probes
20:06 GuShH passive probes
20:06 GuShH why are you selling?
20:07 orlok Overkill for me
20:07 orlok I have a 475A as well
20:07 GuShH it's not everything dave told you it was?
20:07 GuShH two scopes is better than one scope though
20:07 orlok I have no possible use for a 1Ghz DSO
20:07 GuShH how are you going to fix the 475A if it decides to crap out, by trial and error?
20:07 GuShH why did you buy it then
20:08 GuShH to resell and profit?
20:08 orlok Got a good deal. yes, basically
20:08 ShH raises his eye
20:08 orlok Previous employer going broke, was selling hardware for cash
20:09 Faek God i cant even find the oscillopes i've used on their website
20:09 GuShH oh you got a soldering station too?
20:09 orlok Not selling the Hakko/Sako repair stations, Fluke DMM, bench PSU, etc etc
20:09 GuShH Faek: playing doom in a scope is not "using" a scope
20:09 GuShH orlok: just testing my memory
20:09 Faek I was not aware that was possible
20:09 orlok You could play DooM on this scope. It runs WinME
20:09 GuShH on windows scopes sure
20:10 GuShH jesus christ windows millenium edition
20:10 GuShH no no no no
20:10 GuShH oh I can hear the startup sound in my head, make it stop!
20:10 GuShH it's worse than dialup
20:10 GuShH sometimes I wonder how come Microsoft hasn't gone bankrupt
20:11 GuShH specially with Ballmer
20:11 GuShH That cocaine riddled lazy bastard.
20:11 GuShH Good for nothing friend of bill.
20:11 Faek Nah i've used them in physics
20:12 Faek So it shouldnt really surprise me that i cant find those models on their website
20:12 GuShH The Morgan Freeman edition
20:13 orlok get out of my head freeman
20:13 GuShH Complete with voice commands and a rubber hand.
20:13 GuShH I don't know if he still has his own hand or not... but that serves him for whoring.
20:16 orlok i also picked up some rack hardware.. sliding shelves
20:16 GuShH Oh look at it win key + up or down arrows, didn't know that one
20:16 orlok and some verticle trays for tying cables to, that i think will make nice shelves for tools
20:17 GuShH got an email from the mill seller.. not even interested to read it, asshole.
20:17 orlok mill seller?
20:17 GuShH "I'm going to sell this under 10 different conditions which I'm going to impose on any buyer and if they don't like it then fuck them"
20:17 GuShH that's him basically.
20:17 GuShH an old vertical mill
20:18 GuShH not a bridgeport... I don't have the means to move one around
20:18 orlok heh, weird.. like what
20:18 Tom_itx poor GuShH
20:18 GuShH orlok: ?
20:18 orlok most provide mothers maiden name?
20:19 GuShH I'm lost.
20:19 orlok cannot be used for manufacture of firearms?
20:19 orlok the conditions of sale
20:19 GuShH he wants me to pay in cash, at his place, using his delivery company.
20:19 GuShH I have no guarantee that I will see the machine ever again if I do that.
20:19 orlok yup
20:19 GuShH my conditions: bring it over, I pay for shipping, I pay you in cash and you leave.
20:20 GuShH apparently I'm being too demanding.
20:21 GuShH Tom_itx: come on I've been looking for one for months, when I find what I want I can't get it... that's just annoying.
20:21 GuShH The sieg x3 is a toy compared to this old thing
20:22 Tom_itx yeah yeah
20:22 GuShH :(
20:22 Tom_itx it would be even more annoying if you got one and i didn't
20:22 GuShH what do you mean?
20:22 GuShH if you got one I'd be happy for you
20:22 Tom_itx i've wanted one for years
20:22 GuShH which specific one
20:22 Tom_itx something always gets in the way
20:23 Tom_itx anything from tabletop to bridgeport
20:23 GuShH I've wanted a lathe since I was 6, got it at age 25
20:23 Tom_itx no room for a VMC
20:23 Tom_itx i think i got my lathe around that age
20:24 GuShH So it's not always a money issue... everything gets in the way and I do mean everything.
20:24 GuShH One of the main issues with buying a new mill is that I have to deal with the import guys directly, setup the shipping and handling myself, etc.
20:24 Tom_itx just ignore me tonight
20:25 GuShH What's wrong?
20:25 Tom_itx just in a shitty mood
20:25 ShH offers Tom_itx a cold
20:37 tsmeow-afk sends Tom the bridgeport sitting out in the woods the last 15 y
20:45 GuShH some comedy for Tom_itx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50eOTnTsqBo
20:46 GuShH katsmeow-afk: you reckon it's still a bridgeport? or mostly art?
20:46 GuShH I asked a guy how heavy his bridgeport was, he said 250KG, I then knew he was clueless and didn't even know what he had.
20:46 katsmeow-afk dunno, had a lot of grease on it when i parked it, and it was tarpped till that rotted off it
20:46 GuShH the base alone would probably be at least 500KG
20:47 GuShH all cast iron
20:47 katsmeow-afk was on a paet too, till that rotted out
20:47 katsmeow-afk pallet
20:48 GuShH anyway it's not just the machine, the accessories are as important
20:48 GuShH which is why I wanted this deal so bad.
20:49 GuShH all it was missing was the stand (irrelevant in this case) and the dividing / rotary table
20:49 GuShH which I could source separately if need be.
20:50 katsmeow-afk i didn't get accessories for it, shit began happening so fast after that, i still face jail time of the god bites me and i presume the authority tell it to go home
20:51 katsmeow-afk dinner
21:48 GuShH katsmeow-afk: is rust a big issue when it comes to your modules?, is it due to the sliding in and out which causes paint, etc. to strip and chip away?, could some low friction tape be used to line the contact areas?
21:51 GuShH wouldn't thin sheet metal be ideal if you could form it to the C shape you want or any other profile?, for heatsinking you could still use aluminum but on a smaller scale, using the cheapest type available. Otherwise you could zinc plate or black oxide finish them (I've been playing with that lately, it's cheap and almost instant compared to paints)
21:52 GuShH not sure you can get a thick zinc plate with basic electroplating at home... I think the industrial proccesses are a lot more involved
21:52 GuShH otherwise... still brainstorming, but if the steel profiles had a groove, or enough clearance, you could use teflon stripes or some other low friction plastic material for "rails"
21:53 GuShH ptfe in small sizes isn't terribly expensive
21:53 ShH seems to be talking a
21:57 GuShH I think nylon would work just as well
21:57 GuShH and seems to be much cheaper
21:57 GuShH delrin or some other ... I'm sure you can source them
22:39 tsmeow-afk seemed to be upstairs making another workt
22:41 katsmeow-afk GuShH , part of the issue is how easy they are to slap together, if i hate building them, i won't
22:41 katsmeow-afk i will try stamping them out of sheet alum and steet steel later this winter
22:42 GuShH katsmeow-afk: do you have a hydraulic press or something better? :P
22:43 katsmeow-afk i have hydraulic rams, i should wrap a press around them
22:43 katsmeow-afk i have a brake that can bend 5ft wide 1/4 plate steel cold
22:43 GuShH I might build a small press
22:43 GuShH with a bottle jack
22:43 tsmeow-afk
22:43 GuShH 40x40mm square tubing (3mm wall) which is what I have and isn't terribly expensive
22:44 GuShH or should I find some angle iron instead
22:44 GuShH H profile or similar
22:44 katsmeow-afk depends on what you'll be clamping and with how much pressure
22:44 GuShH the jacks go up to 20T
22:44 katsmeow-afk if you are using small steel, trusses are your friends
22:45 GuShH I don't think I'll need that much
22:45 GuShH to bend small brackets and medium sized sheet metal
22:45 GuShH up to 2mm, but of course if I build a press I want it to be useful for other things as well.
22:46 katsmeow-afk how to attach small light pieces to make much stronger truss : https://www.google.com/search?q=truss&client=firefox-a&hs=2il&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VHs2Uu2jNJTS9gTb_IGABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=931&bih=479&dpr=1
22:47 GuShH the small presses they sell are crap
22:47 tsmeow-afk points rue to http://www.torabiarchitect.com/parametric_array/images/parametric_truss.jpg
22:47 GuShH they can't possibly be rated for even 10T
22:48 tsmeow-afk would not go below a 3" wide channel for a 10T press, even a narrow
22:49 GuShH http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-shop-press-32879.html
22:49 GuShH I've seen the 12 or 10T one... looked like it would turn itself into art after a few tons
22:50 GuShH they also come with nothing at all to be useful out of the box
22:50 katsmeow-afk saves you a lot of drilling holes tho
22:51 rue_house haahhahah I'd love to see them ship that for $7
22:51 GuShH well at the HF prices sure, but you'd have to double or triple them here.
22:51 GuShH for the same piece of crap.
22:51 GuShH There's no way I'm buying one.
22:51 katsmeow-afk tip about all those holes in the legs : you don't need them all, use various sizes of steel under the table to support it, instead of dowels thru the legs
22:51 GuShH http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-a-frame-industrial-heavy-duty-floor-shop-press-1667.html
22:52 katsmeow-afk for $170, you can get a lot of very strong steel for a 20T press
22:52 GuShH I would also make it so I can remove the jack
22:52 rue_house katsmeow-afk, less the price of the jack, how much money you think is in steel for that?
22:52 katsmeow-afk which one?
22:52 GuShH oh I could calculate that but it would be irrelevant to both of you :p
22:52 rue_house http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-shop-press-32879.html
22:53 katsmeow-afk yeas, i bet the cost of steel for the 3 of us varies 100%
22:53 rue_house i was just asking for your estimate
22:53 katsmeow-afk $50, guessing, not counting drilling those 3/4 inch holes and bolts and springs
22:53 GuShH with 6 meters of square tubing I could make a similar one for 40 bucks or so, problem with buying different types of stock is that they only sell it to me in 6 meter lengths, so it costs a lot more if I wanted to actually replicate it as-is
22:54 e_house
22:54 GuShH not counting hardware, welding rods, time, coffee.
22:54 katsmeow-afk i can get 5x that much steel, 2x as heavy atm at recycler for 25 cents/lb
22:54 GuShH so why the fuck aren't people making very good sturdy things in your country anymore, at less cost?
22:54 GuShH just plain lazy?
22:54 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:54 ShH gets very annoyed very
22:55 rue_house why do people buy a welder, then buy an overpriced simple assembly cart to hold it?
22:55 GuShH they do?
22:55 rue_house yea
22:55 katsmeow-afk yanno, for small stuff like that, since you don't NEED to drill holes in the legs, use an olde truck frame
22:55 GuShH carts and welding tables are first projects
22:55 GuShH at least that's how I've seen them
22:55 GuShH on the other hand precision jig tables are better bought...
22:55 katsmeow-afk yep, they tried like heck to sell me a cart for my welder
22:55 GuShH haha
22:56 rue_house katsmeow-afk, didn't he try to tell you that you had to buy it?
22:56 katsmeow-afk i looked at the guy and asked if he was crazy, that i had a welder now
22:56 GuShH the more you drill the less material you've got, the more you weaken the structure in a way..
22:56 katsmeow-afk yep
22:56 katsmeow-afk so don't drill them, use assorted "legs" under the press table
22:57 GuShH might cook up a 3d model soon
22:57 katsmeow-afk i seem to remember one that hung the table down on 8000lb chain
22:57 rue_house GuShH, better yet, just start building it
22:57 katsmeow-afk 2T press, small thing
22:57 GuShH can't work like rue sorry
22:57 MrCurious wwwalivememe.com/jbtacyp
22:57 rue_house tooo much planning means never doing
22:58 GuShH rue will build you anything with a napkin
22:58 katsmeow-afk https://www.google.com/search?q=press&client=firefox-a&hs=Fa6&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Nn42UqS3HYGm9ASAi4HQCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=931&bih=479&dpr=1#q=hydraulic+press&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch
22:58 GuShH rue_house: to me it means less wasted material and thus less wasted money
22:58 Tom_itx rue_house, convenience
22:58 GuShH since I have no means to obtain scrap stuff on the cheap, only new steel.
22:58 rue_house if you know how to mod properly its all minor
22:58 GuShH also I can see it working in 3d
22:58 GuShH and refine it
22:58 GuShH a mistake in 3d costs nothing
22:59 katsmeow-afk damn, some of those have drilled holes so big, most of the legs are missing
22:59 GuShH in real life it means having to grind down welds, cut new pieces... weld...
22:59 GuShH rue_house: that's why I made the "just rue it" logo, you didn't like it though
22:59 GuShH tried your philosophy but it doesn't work with everyone.
22:59 rue_house I didn't say I didn't like it
23:00 katsmeow-afk you know the olde bumber jacks with notches and a cam that went clack-clack-clack as you raised it up by hand? you can do the same on a much stronger scale for a press
23:00 GuShH just rue it is the same as "just do it" but we can't use it for trademark reasons.
23:00 Tom_itx farm jack
23:00 Tom_itx much heavier clack-clack-clack jack
23:00 MrCurious this reminds me of this place its a bridge to understanding and wonder http://i.imgur.com/mPcW1Ws.jpg
23:01 katsmeow-afk what Tom said, like for pulling fence posts
23:01 Tom_itx just don't let it smack you in the jaw on the way down
23:01 GuShH I don't even know how those jacks are called in Spanish
23:01 katsmeow-afk i hope this guy finishes welding before he uses that thing ==>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/patryan/3175350501/
23:01 GuShH that's one problem I have when I visit stores...
23:02 rue_house hah, thats tiny
23:02 GuShH katsmeow-afk: oh I was looking at that not long ago, he just needed to press the studs
23:02 GuShH that IS finished
23:02 GuShH that's also 40x40mm square tubing
23:02 GuShH and I recall making fun of his welds
23:03 GuShH rue_house: but for his application it served it's purpose
23:03 Tom_itx http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Jack/Bulldog/BD148700.html?feed=npn&gclid=CKrw4ZGBz7kCFRDl7AodplcA9w
23:03 GuShH I just want something more flexible (I don't want it to flex, sorry, more useful).
23:04 katsmeow-afk another homemade : http://starbirdjewelry.com/Images/Us%20in%20studio/R%20at%20hydraulic%20press.jpg
23:04 GuShH those jacks are probably not used around here, or I just plain ignore their actual name
23:04 katsmeow-afk i have a couple hydraulic bottle jacks that accept pipe thread if you remove the valve assy on the base
23:05 Tom_itx i got a hand pump for one
23:05 GuShH "raise no more than 5 inches" ok? why not have a limiter of sorts?
23:05 katsmeow-afk http://ganoksin.com/blog/ceid/files/2010/02/cynthiaeidwithpress.jpg
23:05 Tom_itx you can mount to the side of the press
23:05 katsmeow-afk http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/1oqfY5CpR_k/hqdefault.jpg
23:06 katsmeow-afk gosh, a lot of women using these things
23:06 GuShH are those from lego?
23:06 Tom_itx those little presses are very limited
23:06 Tom_itx i'd rather have a floor model
23:06 GuShH seems the only benefit on those cheap imports is you can take them apart
23:06 Tom_itx lots more adjustment
23:06 GuShH at the same time, that's one of it's biggest flaws
23:07 katsmeow-afk table models
23:07 katsmeow-afk you have little steel
23:07 Tom_itx with 2 C bars for the 'table'
23:07 GuShH breaking bad minus 8 minutes!
23:07 ShH doesn't pay for cable any
23:07 katsmeow-afk i have big steel, prolly 30ft of 8" channel , heavyweight, not doing anything out there now
23:07 GuShH reminds me I gotta get rid of that dish
23:07 katsmeow-afk 50ft
23:07 GuShH although could I use it for wifi?
23:08 GuShH the dish itself
23:08 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I'd be like a kid at the candy store over there
23:09 katsmeow-afk stuff does cost, and not everyone has money to pay
23:09 GuShH well, moving things from point A to point B seems to be the biggest problem around here
23:10 katsmeow-afk the alum channel i get to make those plugins is $25 per 16ft stick, only because it's old and they haven't sold any in more years than the sales staff has been there
23:10 katsmeow-afk it's going up to $50/stick if they reorder, and i'll haveto buy a min lot
23:10 GuShH the hell am I gonna do with the kittens after this cat has them...
23:10 katsmeow-afk make servo operated laser toys
23:11 GuShH shes been inflated like a balloon, adopted her a few months ago and haven't had time to get her to the vet
23:11 GuShH now shes about to burst.
23:11 GuShH of course she's the official shop cat now
23:11 GuShH and does all of her duties outside, so I don't mind it.
23:11 katsmeow-afk put your laptops on the floor so their water bowl is surrounded by moving blobs
23:12 katsmeow-afk (screen savers)
23:13 GuShH heh
23:13 GuShH screen suicide more like it
23:13 GuShH need to ask if the vet knows of some place to bring the kittens or if they'll take them for free, to hand out... I don't know...
23:13 GuShH I can't have any more cats
23:14 GuShH she's got the potential for 8 right?
23:14 katsmeow-afk if in good health, yeas
23:14 GuShH I'll rather enter a gay bar than have 8 more cats.
23:14 katsmeow-afk 6 prolly
23:14 GuShH I'd
23:14 katsmeow-afk 4 maybe
23:14 katsmeow-afk you'd rather dance than have 8 cats,, hmm
23:14 GuShH I don't know if that's all that goes on, I might have a drink or two.
23:15 tsmeow-afk
23:15 GuShH I bet gay bars are better than regular bars
23:15 GuShH or do they have cat fights instead? haha
23:15 ShH chuc
23:16 tsmeow-afk has not been in any bar in decades
23:17 orlok Euurgh
23:17 GuShH orlok: nice belching
23:17 katsmeow-afk eww
23:19 GuShH MrCurious: currently sanding the primer http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn4036f.jpg the other "rails" will be riveted, can't be arsed to weld anymore I need to get it done already. Of course I can't cut any sheet metal until it quits raining, there's no place inside for that. Don't worry it'll look much better once it's painted in factory blue. Now show me your robot, poser.
23:19 GuShH that's the back side, so the tubing wasn't capped (why bother)
23:21 katsmeow-afk what is it?
23:21 GuShH stand for the lathe
23:22 GuShH copied the factory stand, since it's not sold here.
23:22 katsmeow-afk what's the things at the bottom of legs on the front?
23:22 GuShH but the factory one is just sheet metal
23:22 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I'm welding two more on the back, for mounts / leveling feet
23:22 katsmeow-afk ah
23:23 GuShH it has two doors, shelves and it's all covered in sheet metal, by design at least.
23:23 katsmeow-afk putting a steel drip pan tween the lathe and the stand, to catch all the oil?
23:23 GuShH it came with one
23:23 tsmeow-afk
23:23 GuShH and that's how I got the factory blue colour, although they matched it wrong
23:24 GuShH but I bought some blue pigment anyway...
23:24 GuShH at the garage checking out the wrong colour http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3940f.jpg
23:24 katsmeow-afk so why didn't you drill holes up into the legs, weld a nut there, and stuck in some bolts to turn and level with?
23:24 GuShH yes those are the cheapest hinges I could buy.
23:24 GuShH 12 pack for a buck or two
23:25 GuShH katsmeow-afk: the mounts already come with all the hardware needed
23:25 katsmeow-afk you couldn't get those here for that price
23:25 GuShH I didn't drill them before welding because I had no way to do it properly
23:25 katsmeow-afk o
23:25 GuShH also I don't have the "feet" yet, until then I won't drill anything
23:26 GuShH but I do know the specs, half inch bolts or bigger depending on the load, they are however too expensive to bother with.. might try caster wheels or just make my own
23:26 katsmeow-afk i would not use castors under a lathe
23:27 GuShH heh they do make sturdy ones
23:27 GuShH but I don't want any flexing that's why I'm building the stand like that
23:27 katsmeow-afk i know, seen steel wheels, but you don't want the lathe to move anyhow
23:27 GuShH I think rue has problems with his because the stand and thus the bed are flexing
23:27 GuShH there are "locking" casters, but you might have more experience than me on that regard, I've never built anything that used them
23:28 GuShH good ones aren't cheap either.
23:28 katsmeow-afk unless the pins lock too, the locked wheels can spin around on the pin that's up in the leg
23:29 GuShH this is pretty much the only factory around here making them, but for what they are I'm not spending 100 bucks on a full set (yeah, 100 bucks they asked) http://www.acplind.com/soporte_nivelador.asp
23:29 GuShH and that's why the country goes down hill.
23:29 GuShH they're anti vibration mats are even more expensive
23:30 katsmeow-afk see, this doesn't lock the spindle : http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/79000/144634/0/1036031100/414PU_Elastollan_caster_castor-wheel_total_brake.jpg
23:30 GuShH I'm thinking old car mat, cut to size, if need be for all mounting purposes (drill press, etc)
23:30 GuShH for some reason anything made out of rubber costs a lot around here
23:30 GuShH and I do believe most of their rubber comes from trash.
23:30 GuShH tyres and whatnot
23:31 GuShH hmm that looks like polyurethane on the wheel
23:31 GuShH yeah I've only seen that type
23:32 GuShH they could've used a locating pin, tiny bracket and one hole to at least index it straight
23:32 GuShH or something more clever with a spring, pin and a camlock
23:32 GuShH maybe too costly
23:32 katsmeow-afk here ya go : http://www.scaffoldmart.com/images2/8-in-scaffolding-caster-wheel-7.jpg
23:32 GuShH heh that's clever
23:33 GuShH but it seems like you could bump into it rather easily
23:33 katsmeow-afk http://www.scaffoldmart.com/images3/casters/Haion_Caster_007.jpg
23:33 GuShH now I know what's out there, still don't know what's in here :p
23:33 tsmeow-afk
23:34 katsmeow-afk keep in mind that with castors, the floot print changes as they swivel
23:34 GuShH the only benefit is that you can move stuff around with them
23:34 GuShH other than that, needless cost
23:35 GuShH I think a pair of dollies might serve better
23:35 katsmeow-afk one dolly, one hand truck
23:35 katsmeow-afk 6 guys, 3 lengths of 2" pipe
23:35 GuShH sounds like a porno
23:35 ShH h
23:36 orlok hmm breaking bad tonight
23:36 GuShH yeah about to watch it
23:37 GuShH S05E14
23:37 katsmeow-afk what is breaking bad?
23:37 GuShH what isn't breaking bad!
23:37 katsmeow-afk i dunno that too
23:37 GuShH a series about a school teacher diagnosed with cancer who in order to leave something behind for his family decides to cook meth
23:37 GuShH that's in a nutshell
23:37 GuShH a chemistry teacher that is.
23:38 katsmeow-afk not many families need a meth lab in the estate, do they?
23:38 GuShH orlok: I want Walt to get away with it... at least for his goal to be acomplished that is.
23:38 GuShH last episode left me on the edge of the seat heh
23:39 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I don't know...
23:39 GuShH at one point he lined one of the garage walls with money instead of fibreglass insulation.
23:39 orlok katsmeow-afk: cash, not meth!
23:40 katsmeow-afk oh
23:40 GuShH I wonder if money insulates as much
23:40 GuShH guess we'll never find out unless we call the mythbusters?
23:40 katsmeow-afk sure, and, who cares?
23:40 GuShH katsmeow-afk: just things I wonder.
23:40 orlok genius organic chemist
23:40 orlok GuShH: probably reasonably well, but flammable
23:40 katsmeow-afk shredded paper is better than fiberglass
23:40 GuShH true
23:40 GuShH very costly need I say
23:41 katsmeow-afk shredded paper is better than shredded cloth too
23:41 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I've heard about it but how do you prevent it from going up in flames real fast, real bad?
23:41 GuShH not that it would matter in a house built out of WOOD.
23:41 katsmeow-afk yeas, if you have a lot of money, i'd use it as is and not shred it as wall insulation for a garage
23:41 orlok GuShH: going by some sorta-easter-eggs.. it all ends up pretty fucked :)
23:41 GuShH shut up you dickhead!
23:41 katsmeow-afk there's fire retardant sprays and dips for paper
23:42 GuShH if you spoil it I will personally shove a kilogram of meth up in your pipehole, don't ask me how or where I'll get a kilogram of that stuff, but I'll try!
23:42 orlok GuShH: Nothing that hasnt already aired, just things you might not have picked up on
23:42 ShH wonders how much his vendetta would
23:42 orlok certain aspects of walts behaviour
23:42 GuShH you mean from the talk show?
23:42 katsmeow-afk prolly as much as the plane ticket to get to orlok
23:43 GuShH where is orlok at? US?
23:43 orlok GuShH: remember how walt threw up at the start f this season?
23:43 GuShH his cancer is back
23:43 GuShH that'd be about 15K ARs back and forth... or 2.6k usd... from here to the us
23:43 orlok nah, i mean, specifically, remember _how_ he threw up?
23:44 GuShH no
23:44 orlok ok, nevermind then
23:44 GuShH I delete the episodes after I'm done watching, I can't be analysing them frame by frame like some addicts do.
23:44 orlok somebody else did it the same way
23:44 GuShH you might be chasing dragons ....
23:45 tsmeow-afk sets a couple robots at the side of each mountain and tells them to tunnel in and not come back out until they have gold, silver, uranium, thorium, coal, or pla
23:45 GuShH heh
23:45 GuShH what about lithium?
23:45 orlok GuShH: remember Gus and the mexicans?
23:45 GuShH you should let them roam around here and chile, lots of lithium.
23:45 katsmeow-afk nah, there's ;akes of lithium in Peru
23:45 GuShH sure I remember gus, I'm gus too.
23:45 katsmeow-afk and chile
23:45 GuShH orlok: you think he's being poisoned
23:46 GuShH sorry, that's the medication.
23:46 GuShH it is poison in fact.
23:46 orlok GuShH: no, hah
23:46 GuShH that's the whole point.
23:46 ShH sh
23:46 orlok i know, slash and burn.. my dad went through a decade of chemo/radio, on and off
23:46 GuShH mine wasn't as lucky didn't make it past a few months
23:46 GuShH 4 or so.
23:46 orlok walt imitated gus's actions in being sick
23:47 GuShH but unlike Walt, he left me a bag full of trouble.
23:48 GuShH it's funny how some people will go around the world, say fuck it to their family and not even tell them they've got cancer... instead of sticking around and trying to figure things out.
23:48 GuShH bah I'm gonna get hot chocolate or something... bbl
23:48 orlok i'd kill for hot chocolate
23:50 tsmeow-afk would not have the money to treat ca