#robotics Logs
Jul 30 2013
#robotics Calendar
01:05 rue_house hey is a deisel technically a 2 or 4 stroke?
01:05 rue_house diesels dont have a compression cycle
01:05 rue_house ?!
01:07 rue_house must have an intake stroke tho
01:46 TELunus According to Wikipedia: "Diesel engines are manufactured in two-stroke and four-stroke versions.".
02:06 hackkitten Wikipedia <3
09:03 rue_house hmm
09:03 rue_house if there were one 2 stroke diesel in the world, wikipedia would say that
09:03 rue_house I'm finding it less and less usefull for practical information
09:05 robotustra it always were useless and desinformative
09:07 joga ...
09:09 Gargantuasauce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1MnXkHhlM
09:09 Gargantuasauce this is one of my favourite youtube videos ever
09:14 robotustra whae was it
09:15 robotustra engine not connected to anywhere
09:15 Gargantuasauce after they cut the fuel it's running off the lubricant
09:16 robotustra I think there is some volime of fiel left
09:17 Gargantuasauce maybe...i think he actually stops the injector though
09:17 Gargantuasauce like pulls the lever away from the cam
09:18 Gargantuasauce in any case it runs at twice the rated rpm and tries to hop away along the ground :)
09:22 robotustra is 2 stroke diesel and semi diesel are the same thing?
09:29 theBear actually now you mention it, 2stroke is a lot like diesel, apart from the spark it's basically fuel + oil...
09:29 Gargantuasauce no robotustra
09:30 Gargantuasauce semi diesel refers to ignition being triggered by contact with the hot top surface of the cylinder i think
09:30 Gargantuasauce whereas a 'true' diesel is ignited solely by compression
09:32 theBear i'm do doctor, but all diesel have glowplugs, when the cylinders aren't hot enough for self/compression-ignition the glowplugs start them
09:33 theBear do=no
09:33 Gargantuasauce yeah
09:33 Gargantuasauce the distinction is that they're used only for starting i guess
09:35 Gargantuasauce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-diesel_engine#Hot_bulb_pseudo-Diesel_development i guess this describes the distinguishing factors in more detail
09:38 Gargantuasauce internal combustion engines are so cool
09:39 robotustra Gargantuasauce: stone age
09:40 Gargantuasauce yeah sure, dismiss the technology that your lifestyle depends on in more ways than you could possibly count
10:57 R0b0t1 Internal combustion engines are the best choice
10:57 R0b0t1 They are inefficient... but fuel oil is so energy dense.
10:58 R0b0t1 Of course we could use portable thermopiles or something but the amount of shielding we'd have to lug around would be insane
11:07 Gargantuasauce RTG in every device \o/
11:55 Skwint There must be a better system, but I dunno what it is
11:55 Skwint animals are certainly more efficient, and seem to have a high energy density
11:56 Skwint show me a battery that can keep a RC plane up as long as a migrating duck ...
11:58 Gargantuasauce animals have had a few hundred million years' head start in development
12:05 Skwint yeah, but they use genetic algorithms. suckers.
12:05 Skwint we can beat that surely?
12:06 Gargantuasauce of course we can
12:07 Gargantuasauce look at what we've achieved in the last, say, 5000 years
12:28 robotustra :)
12:29 robotustra use greedy genetic algorithm
12:29 robotustra it helps
12:44 zap0 we learned to fly only in the last 100 years
13:14 GuShH robotustra: did you finish the head?
13:24 robotustra not yet
13:25 robotustra I got new clay, but it's softer than what I had, now I'm making "neck" to hold it white I'll work with the head
13:26 robotustra actually it's 90% done, but I want to make back part of skull a bit bigger to have more space inside to put electronics
13:35 GuShH robotustra: excuses
13:35 GuShH what kind of engineer doesn't plan ahead
13:58 robotustra I planed already 5 years ahead, so shut up
15:17 robotustra china is so china https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAOBnDWN8Y4
17:27 GuShH robotustra: 5 years for that?
17:28 GuShH were you in a coma for 4.9 years?
17:34 robotustra what 3d printer is most cost effective now
17:34 robotustra and is any printer can print in policarbonate?
17:38 ace4016 there does seem to be polycarbonate 3d printers
17:39 ace4016 can't tell you which is the most cost effective
17:40 ace4016 there are some that are in the $300-$500 range
17:47 summersault i am building one... it is more cost effective, if it works...
17:59 GuShH robotustra: jet engines are cost effective, doesn't mean everyone can afford one.
18:02 ace4016 actually, jet engines aren't cost effective >_>
18:02 ace4016 not unless you overcharge
18:03 GuShH they are.
18:04 GuShH what is this, stupid time?
18:06 GuShH if by overcharge you mean supercharge, you maybe meant to say afterburner, and that's not cost effective whatsoever.
18:06 GuShH jet engines are already very efficient and don't require extra compression steps
18:06 GuShH there's a reason they're the norm.
18:07 GuShH nothing else delivers the power to weight ratio with less fuel consumption and with the same or better flexibility.
18:07 GuShH not unless you start to look at highly unsafe alternatives.
18:08 ace4016 you said cost efficient, not efficient :P
18:08 GuShH robotustra ought to know about the russians and nuclear planes. at the time however they were massively heavy for the closed loop system, and massively unsafe for the open loop ones.
18:08 ace4016 i know they're efficient
18:08 GuShH they're cost efficient as a whole unit
18:09 GuShH due to the power they deliver you can't get anything else that is better -- for less money
18:10 GuShH and they don't require as much maintenance as an internal combustion engine.
18:10 GuShH ace4016: fuel wise, afterburners are not efficient.
18:10 ace4016 i wasn't talking about afterburners
18:10 GuShH a lot of it isn't burnt, it's like throwing buckets of gasoline to an open exhaust.
18:11 GuShH then you meant compression stages
18:11 ace4016 you mentioned cost, and my overcharging was in reference to monetary cost
18:11 GuShH that's irrelevant. whether a company charges more or less doesn't change the fact that they're cost efficient anyway.
18:12 GuShH otherwise in your world planes would still run off internal combustion engines, or they'd be "electric" (lawl)
18:12 ace4016 cost efficient wrt what?
18:12 ace4016 cost per distance traveled? if so, many prop planes beat jets out; they just aren't as fast
18:12 GuShH I'd like to see anything but a turbine generate the power they do, for the cost.
18:12 GuShH not if you factor in time
18:13 GuShH if your time isn't worth a dime, you might as well take a boat or a donkey.
18:16 ace4016 that's why i asked what your cost efficiency was based off of :P
18:47 robotustra what afterburners? ther just bury rods back
18:47 robotustra I mean that botmaker is overpriced
18:48 robotustra but it can do 0.1 mm layers
18:48 robotustra but 2500 is too much for tese options
18:51 GuShH robotustra: what the hell rods are you talking about
18:51 GuShH there are no rods in jet engines
18:51 robotustra ZrU alloy
18:51 GuShH you could build it for half the price
18:52 robotustra I'm talking about nuclear power station
18:52 GuShH and I'm talking about jets
18:52 GuShH your russian nuclear planes were shit.
18:52 GuShH a complete failure.
18:52 robotustra GuShH: I'm byelorusioan
18:52 GuShH that's not a word
18:52 robotustra we don't have nuclear power yet
18:52 GuShH you don't have shiet.
18:53 robotustra but Lukashenko build one
18:53 ShH slaps robotu
18:53 robotustra is building
18:53 GuShH With sticks and poop?
18:53 Tom_itx nuclear power isn't all that it's cracked up to be
18:53 GuShH The open loop planes were just as dangerous as a nuke
18:54 Tom_itx for one thing there's not enough enriched uranium to supply the us plants unless we get it from foreigners
18:54 GuShH they would spew out radioactive material wherever they went
18:54 robotustra GuShH: people are dangerous
18:54 robotustra reactorsa are ok
18:54 GuShH the closed loop ones used indirect heating, but were too heavy.
18:54 robotustra reactors
18:54 GuShH robotustra: no, literally dangerous. not just "could be dangerous" the test pilots all died.
18:54 robotustra GuShH: where did you get your knowledge about reactors?
18:54 GuShH they didn't even have proper shielding, due to weight reasons.
18:55 GuShH robotustra: your mom
18:55 robotustra why I'm so sure about it
18:55 robotustra my mom knows nothing
18:55 GuShH that's unfair
18:55 robotustra about reactors
18:55 GuShH robotustra: then your other mom.
18:56 robotustra so I suspect you are dumb in this questions
18:56 GuShH robotustra: suddenly you can't know about something unless you've worked on said something?
18:56 GuShH there are no questions
18:56 GuShH perhaps you meant to say subjects
18:56 GuShH and so far you've shown pure dumbness.
18:56 robotustra I'm half dumb - so, I don't care your opinion about reactors and you shouldn't care about mine opinion
18:56 GuShH I believe a bomb of n00b went off earlier today and you've been exposed to the blast.
18:57 robotustra I know how open reactor works
18:57 GuShH And if you want to go there, I was talking about the heat distribution systems, not the reactors themselves.
18:57 robotustra because we had lectures about it
18:57 GuShH Yeah very useful ones at that. Anything Russian is unsafe, outdated and overpriced.
18:58 m_itx sets GuShH in a corner by him
18:58 GuShH robotustra: you have an egotistical personality and an inferiority complex.
18:58 GuShH Why else would you assume everyone knows nothing and your way is the only way?
18:59 robotustra ok, I'll visit a doctor some day
18:59 Tom_itx that kinda sounds like danf
18:59 GuShH I don't know if dan has an inferiority complex
18:59 robotustra I mean - I know little about reactors
18:59 GuShH robotustra: I didn't claim to know a little nor a lot. It's not a pissing contest.
18:59 robotustra I know their efficiency
18:59 GuShH I stated a fact. Russian nuclear planes were a failure.
18:59 robotustra but it's not a topic to discuss
19:00 robotustra Ok, tell me what reactorsa are the best
19:00 GuShH That's irrelevant.
19:00 GuShH You've taken it to a pissing contest, once again.
19:00 GuShH Go back to the cocktagon and fight someone else.
19:00 robotustra I know and you don't
19:00 GuShH See, that's what I mean about your issues.
19:01 robotustra what reactorss are safest?
19:01 GuShH I suspect there's a bit of a peter pan syndrome going on with you as well.
19:02 robotustra I don't know what are you talking about
19:02 GuShH robotustra: irrelevant pissing contests are welcomed in 4chan
19:02 robotustra so tell me already something about reactors
19:02 robotustra I just want to be sure that you know nothing about them
19:03 GuShH robotustra: nobody has claimed experience or vast knowledge in the matter, only you -- except you've only been lectured and chances are you've never been to a nuclear plant and had nothing to do with the development of any reactor whatsoever. You're a theoritical academic worm.
19:03 Tom_itx ok let it go
19:04 robotustra GuShH: you don't want admit that I know more than you
19:04 GuShH People get their ass served on a plate for much less in a pub.
19:04 GuShH robotustra: listen to Tom_itx and I won't go mental on you.
19:05 GuShH What you do is silly, pointless and not constructive.
19:05 robotustra ok
19:06 robotustra I'm a bit nervous about my interview
19:06 jennie please help me PIC microcontroller , anyone here use it ?
19:07 GuShH It's jennie!
19:07 GuShH more of an avr crowd I suspect
19:07 jennie yes GuShH its me
19:07 robotustra jennie: what controller do you have?
19:08 Tom_itx ask a relevant question
19:08 Tom_itx maybe somebody will help
19:08 jennie I have source code , I want to compile it to hex file, I am very bad at coding, I dont know how to mod the source code for my pic16f819 , please help me
19:08 jennie http://blog.ghatasheh.com/2012/01/pic16f877a-and-lm35-based-temperature.html
19:08 jennie here is source code
19:09 GuShH heh jennie goes digital
19:09 Tom_itx is that picbasic?
19:10 jennie picbasic ?
19:10 GuShH jennie: start by including the pertinent header, then making sure your device has all the required peripherals
19:10 GuShH looks like plain c
19:10 Tom_itx or ccs c
19:10 Tom_itx or some other flavor
19:10 jennie it is ccs c
19:10 GuShH mhh flavors.. now I'm hungry
19:10 Tom_itx oh i bet i could compile that file
19:11 Tom_itx too bad i don't know where my ccs c is
19:11 GuShH jennie: do you have a generic header, or the header for your pic?
19:11 robotustra jennie: do you have MPLAB IDE?
19:11 GuShH mine is in an image, of a crashed hdd, which isn't even indexed
19:11 jennie yes, I have MPLAB IDE , mikroC , PCWHD
19:11 GuShH ????? ?? ??? ... ????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? wth
19:12 robotustra jennie: so, create a project for your controller in it
19:12 robotustra have you ever did it?
19:12 jennie ok doing now
19:12 Tom_itx some of those function calls are specific to ccs c
19:12 jennie yes I did it before
19:12 GuShH Is pic ccs free now?
19:12 Tom_itx i doubt it
19:12 GuShH bleh.
19:12 robotustra for devices select your controller
19:13 GuShH 600 bucks!!
19:14 Tom_itx maybe for all 3
19:14 GuShH yeah for all 12 bit, 14, 16, 24
19:14 jennie robotustra there is project in it
19:15 jennie new project and then there are tempelate for pic16C in it
19:15 GuShH most of that code is ccs specific in fact
19:15 robotustra go to project properties and select device
19:15 robotustra pic16f819
19:15 jennie I have ccs pic c compiler pcwdh installed too
19:15 robotustra your device
19:15 GuShH just create a new dummy project, copy - paste, change header
19:15 GuShH as long as the target is your device, it's all good
19:16 robotustra and set the frequency you have on your board
19:16 GuShH and if you get a compiler error, it should be self explanatory.
19:16 robotustra 8 000 000 Hz or other
19:16 robotustra do you have file with "main()" function?
19:16 GuShH so I got some arabica coffee beans from starbucks... not bad. it's a medium roast.
19:17 GuShH still chucking at the gay clerk, the way he described each "flavor"
19:17 GuShH helpful nontheless
19:18 jennie robotustra it is asking for compiler
19:19 robotustra do you have installed one?
19:19 jennie GuShH please have a look http://oi43.tinypic.com/1o1zr4.jpg
19:20 GuShH jennie: problem with your paths
19:20 robotustra you don't have any compiler?
19:20 jennie robotustra I have installed compiler
19:21 jennie robotustra I also got mikroC pic , it will work ?
19:21 robotustra now you have to go to properties of project and set right pathes to your compliler, linker, and libraries
19:21 robotustra I'm not sure
19:21 robotustra C18 may be
19:24 jennie GuShH you saying problem with my path but I dont have lcd_flex.c file
19:26 RifRaf start of new Y carriage http://imagebin.org/266033
19:27 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/266034
19:27 robotustra RifRaf: super
19:28 robotustra but I think nut is too long
19:28 robotustra now it's in the middle
19:28 RifRaf yor screws need to be a bit longer
19:28 RifRaf or*
19:29 RifRaf not sure which part you mean
19:29 robotustra red holder for bearings
19:30 RifRaf have made it thicker, all bearings are in correct position
19:30 RifRaf and with a 15mm pitch now, the 20mm pitch was getting a bit much
19:30 RifRaf worked fine but slips easier
19:31 robotustra there is a big distance between axis and surface of table mount
19:34 RifRaf yeah, cannot help that for now
19:35 robotustra for that distance I would make this holder higher (when it's on printer table)
19:35 RifRaf the part is quite rigid though
19:36 robotustra what force will be applied for this nut?
19:36 GuShH if he won't be routing, rigidity is not the primary concern
19:36 ShH y
19:37 GuShH RifRaf: you're working on a bigger one?
19:37 RifRaf yeah
19:37 RifRaf 400mm x 400mm bed
19:37 GuShH neat
19:37 GuShH "next up, 3000mm x 3000mm"
19:37 GuShH RifRaf: is that the physical size or the maximum work size?
19:38 robotustra RifRaf: what printer head do you use?
19:38 GuShH should I paint the stand blue, red or try to match the original color of the lathe?
19:38 GuShH will need to buy the paint soon.
19:41 RifRaf robotustra a wades extruder i think
19:42 Tom_itx RifRaf what's the reprappers think of it?
19:43 Tom_itx you're getting a bit greedy on the bearing angle
19:43 Tom_itx under load it may not perform as well
19:44 Tom_itx alot of direction changes may cause it to drift
19:45 robotustra http://imagebin.org/266020
19:45 robotustra RifRaf: do you buy it somwhere
19:45 robotustra ?
19:47 robotustra GuShH: possum is thinking about your paint color http://imagebin.org/266019
19:48 robotustra if you want to sell it for more money - paint it yellow
19:51 RifRaf Tom_itx they are eager to test results and video
19:51 RifRaf to see*
19:52 GuShH robotustra: should I take a video of the possum's execution?
19:52 robotustra is it still there?
19:52 GuShH yeah
19:53 robotustra he could be already dead
19:53 GuShH could be.
19:54 GuShH I gave it another chance...
19:54 robotustra I send greenpiece to your location
19:54 GuShH Do it. I'll shoot them first
19:54 robotustra :)
19:54 robotustra I'll send them just for this reason
19:55 robotustra WTF http://imagebin.org/266009
19:55 GuShH Now you're just being cruel
19:55 Tom_itx is that you?
19:56 GuShH Looks like robotustra
19:57 GuShH so far this is the only picture we've got of robotustra and his bear http://gushh.net/tmp/robotustra.jpg
19:58 robotustra Tom_itx: I just find it in imagebin
19:59 Tom_itx next time keep it to yourself
19:59 robotustra I see alien eye
20:04 GuShH robotustra: sure, you through the eye reflection
20:04 GuShH a true paranoid would've used the camera timer and walked away
20:04 robotustra thank you that I'm not a paranoid
20:06 GuShH ;P
20:08 robotustra or just not true paranoid
21:08 MrCurious it most assuredly is a trap!
21:11 GuShH MrCurious: or a tarp
21:13 rue_another http://imagebin.org/266033
21:13 MrCurious most assuredly
21:13 MrCurious slick!
21:13 rue_another he's into theadles lead screws
21:14 MrCurious be sicker if it was adjustable
21:14 GuShH I'm into topless screws
21:14 rue_another http://imagebin.org/266034
21:14 rue_another RifRaf, what pitch does it get?
21:14 GuShH oh I got a circlip plier set
21:15 MrCurious that looks a rather course pitch
21:15 GuShH it's a cheapo but figured I only need them once in a long while, should do
21:15 MrCurious like 1 inch per rotation
21:15 Tom_itx rue_house, he was going for 10mm then did a 15mm 20 was too much
21:16 Tom_itx that one is probably 15mm
21:16 rue_another what? thats huge
21:16 Tom_itx i know
21:16 RifRaf 15mm
21:16 Tom_itx rif is rif though ya know
21:16 RifRaf exactly, have made 10mm and 20mm version too
21:17 rue_another 15mm per rotation?
21:17 Tom_itx have you tested them under load?
21:17 Tom_itx rue_another, yes
21:17 rue_another yea, any slip?
21:17 Tom_itx you can guestimate looking at the angle of the bearings the pitch is alot
21:18 rue_another http://imagebin.org/265769
21:18 rue_another I see!
21:18 rue_another rifraf, cool, wish I could get someone to work on mine wiht me
21:18 Tom_itx i think that was before he fixed his math
21:19 RifRaf i'll help you
21:19 Tom_itx he was trying opposing bearings then and the math doesn't work on that
21:19 Tom_itx rather, a single screw for both opposing bearings
21:19 Tom_itx one will not contact the shaft in that situation
21:19 RifRaf yes just learning experiences Tom_itx, someone on thingyverse remade mine and went back to the 3 screws thinking they were clever :)
21:20 RifRaf so i put them straight
21:20 Tom_itx yup
21:20 Tom_itx a simple thought process will bring that to light
21:20 Tom_itx only one time will they ever both touch and that would be parallel to the shaft
21:21 Tom_itx with zero pitch
21:21 RifRaf yes they wondered why one side was not touching
21:21 Tom_itx you should pull those files if they're up there
21:22 RifRaf no mine work, they redid there own code baswed on mine
21:22 Tom_itx yeah, you fixed yours
21:41 MrCurious obama was wrong, voting 40 times to repeal obama-care IS a jobs plan, sadly, a jobs plan for house members...
21:42 Tom_itx it will be difficult to make it work
21:43 Tom_itx if not impossible
21:43 Tom_itx but it served his purpose
21:55 MrCurious https://github.com/unwin/OmniWheelRobot
21:55 MrCurious mock away. arduino blah blah... it just works.
21:56 Tom_itx i won't criticise progress
21:56 Tom_itx i see no pics though
21:56 MrCurious when i searched for quad omni code, i found none
21:57 robotustra :)
21:58 Tom_itx http://www.visi.com/~brynn/tryclops/
21:58 Tom_itx there's a 3 axis one
21:58 Tom_itx page mostly broken now
22:00 MrCurious i am thinking 3 axis is pretty different than 4
22:01 Tom_itx 120 deg instead of 90
22:01 MrCurious conceptually, but i didnt factor my code so it would easily convert to 3 or 2 or 5 axis
22:02 MrCurious i think 4 is much simpler math than 3
22:05 Tom_itx he used to have some cool videos
22:05 MrCurious i need to get mine un-tethered before i can make robo porn with it
22:15 robotustra http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-1-1-2-dia-threaded-1-2-13-brass-ball-drilled-tapped/380419199032?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D228117153717391907%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D380419199032%26
22:16 Tom_itx i saw a ball bearing like that with threads in it
22:16 Tom_itx so why do you want a threaded brass ball?
22:16 Tom_itx they edm'd the threads in it
22:16 robotustra joints
22:36 GuShH robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FauOIjlWvO0 poof!
22:36 GuShH that brass ball is terribly expensive
22:37 Tom_itx and damn well worth it !
22:38 GuShH how much would the round stock cost by comparison?
22:51 robotustra GuShH: people will stop and help
22:51 robotustra do they stop and help in BA?
22:51 robotustra or in america?
23:05 GuShH robotustra: help what? that dude died instantly.
23:05 GuShH are you proud of a country that requires onboard cameras due to fraud?
23:08 GuShH most people whether in your country or anywhere else stop due to morbid reasons.
23:08 GuShH their initial impulse is not to help.
23:08 robotustra this cameras - it's just a modern mode
23:09 ShH eyer
23:09 robotustra they buy them because it's affordable
23:09 robotustra thats it
23:09 GuShH Keep telling that to yourself. It's for insurance reasons.
23:09 GuShH Full of bogus claims and fraud.
23:09 robotustra you don't know anything about assurance in our country
23:09 GuShH Also, as we just saw, morbid.
23:10 robotustra so just keep silence please
23:10 GuShH Your country is nothing but a ghost of what it was.
23:10 GuShH You quit comparing your ghost to other places. It's unhealthy.
23:10 botustra face
23:11 robotustra you drink too much coffy, sorry
23:11 GuShH What's coffy? I don't drink too much of anything.
23:11 robotustra the cooffe thay guy sold you today
23:12 robotustra coffe
23:12 GuShH coffee sir.
23:12 GuShH Oh, I only had a small amount. It was "american" style, so diluted.
23:13 GuShH Just like they serve it, except I liked this one better. They may have an espresso machine worth 10k but if they hire any random dude... I don't think the machine is -that- good
23:13 robotustra there is no coffe in america - they drink goats urina
23:13 GuShH likewise you can find much better coffee in some small places where it's all about the technique and the grains, not just imported equipment.
23:13 GuShH huh
23:13 robotustra in canada - too
23:14 robotustra it's not saturated and not hot
23:14 GuShH this is a medium roast arabica
23:14 robotustra they don't know what is capuchino in here
23:14 GuShH most people think they're drinking coffee, but they drink a mixture of soy beans and other crap
23:14 robotustra yep
23:14 robotustra confirm
23:15 GuShH I recently bought a bag of the most expensive ground coffee you can find around here, seems to be imported from brazil.. and contains soy products, it's not pure coffee beans.
23:15 robotustra you come to cafe and can't order capuchino - they don't have aparatus to do it
23:15 robotustra the even don't know the recepy
23:16 GuShH So I moved back to whole beans, even if they're crap, at least it's real coffee, unless you can't tell coffee beans from something else, in which case you should move to tea.
23:16 ShH makes some mean foamed
23:16 GuShH sorry, perhaps the term is frothing
23:16 GuShH but it's a foaming process...
23:16 GuShH and "steamed" doesn't sound right
23:17 GuShH robotustra: so do it yourself
23:17 GuShH I'm sure I can brew a better coffee than most of these clowns in starbucks and other stores around here.
23:18 GuShH And I don't have 10-20k worth of equipment.
23:19 GuShH Of course I can only make small quantities compared to them, but that's enough.
23:19 robotustra GuShH: I just tell you about level of kitchen in canada
23:20 GuShH Also in places like starbucks they keep using those co2 canisters with cream in them, instead of frothing milk with steam.
23:20 GuShH I feel sick after drinking that shit.
23:20 robotustra I never was in starbucks and never will
23:21 GuShH Their beans are good enough, the idiots brewing the coffee are not.
23:21 GuShH And it's all pretty much automated, which makes it even worse, how can they screw it up?
23:21 GuShH Those units were specifically made for starbucks
23:24 GuShH robotustra: what's wrong with kitchens in canada? o.o
23:25 robotustra GuShH: people here eat white bread and fried potapo
23:25 robotustra and they are fat
23:26 GuShH they do that here as well, I don't see your point
23:26 robotustra in Quebec - they are so so, but in the rest of Canada...
23:26 GuShH I thought you were going to argue about the kitchen appliances
23:26 robotustra you didn't got, they EAT mostly bread
23:26 robotustra they don't cook
23:26 robotustra they don't know how
23:27 GuShH lol
23:27 robotustra here in montreal only 10% on appartments have good kitchen
23:28 robotustra it's funny but it's true
23:28 robotustra they eat in resto, buy pizza, go to macdonalds, tim hortons, etc, but not cook
23:29 GuShH oh well
23:32 robotustra in quebec they eat more vegetables, and that's why they are not so fat...
23:40 GuShH robotustra: so you're basically in the US.
23:41 GuShH turns out worm-holes on 6013 is a pretty common problem due to the heavy flux coating
23:41 GuShH and here I was blaming myself. damn shit rods.
23:42 GuShH almost everything here is welded with 6013, it's like the coffee issue.