#robotics Logs
Jul 23 2013
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00:49 MrCurious debugged ping sensors till i hated ping sensors
00:49 MrCurious 2 defective
00:58 Jak_o_Android $2 each, you can't really complain
01:00 MrCurious nope
01:00 MrCurious well, seems my stepper driver is taking on a mind of its own
01:10 MrCurious and moving the ribon cable slightly results in a de-possession
01:13 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, dodgy connection
01:15 MrCurious working now.
01:15 MrCurious if it aint broke, done fix it
01:15 MrCurious finish it, then fix it when it breaks
01:17 rue_house after days in the lab, Bell worked out why it didn't work, he had to make TWO of them
01:20 Jak_o_Shadows BTW MrCurious, do you have the official 3 pin Ping sensors, or the 4 pin knockoffs?
01:21 MrCurious 4 pin sr04
01:21 Jak_o_Shadows ah, likewise
01:23 MrCurious arrat has 10 of em
01:24 Jak_o_Shadows "arrat"?
01:27 MrCurious robot is now moving <-> with the wheels in a X orientation
01:27 MrCurious array, sorry
01:27 MrCurious not arrat
01:29 Jak_o_Shadows Did you get the fancy mechanum wheels?
01:35 MrCurious omni-wheels
01:35 MrCurious similar, but not exact same
01:35 MrCurious can do similar maneuvers, but it doesnt look all moon-walky
01:36 rue_house if your ever looking for a good price on AC adapters, search ebay for "cordless phone" and skip to result ~29
01:36 rue_house page
01:36 Jak_o_Shadows sorted by price?
01:36 rue_house yup
01:38 Jak_o_Shadows $20ish for a 9V adaptor?
01:38 rue_house no 4ish
01:38 rue_house ?
01:39 Jak_o_Shadows ha, ok, we're looking at different things. Postage is killing my stuff
01:39 rue_house :) ah
01:40 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-5mm-Punk-metal-Zipper-Headset-Headphones-Hands-free-w-Mic-for-Phone-MP3-iPod-/261240933899
01:40 rue_house ahhahaha
01:40 Jak_o_Shadows That's actuallly sort of useful, if it went the whole cord length
01:40 rue_house thats what I thought
01:41 rue_house cute idea
01:41 rue_house hmm so I need a line-line telephone that has bluetooth..
01:43 Gargantuasauce woah that headset is awesome
01:45 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Bluetooth-Audio-Music-Receiver-A2DP-Connector-For-Home-Stereo-Speaker-Car-Radio-/281130662333
01:45 rue_house hmmm
01:47 Jak_o_Shadows There must be a bug in pyserial, or python queues, or python socketserver, as the python side keeps crashing
01:47 rue_house why do you expect that a pile of libraries that high wont fall over?
01:48 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, i know. I suspect it's in pyserial or python socketserver, as the queue module should be good, for such a core feature.
01:49 Jak_o_Shadows Course, where it is is a complete mystery. It could even be a bug in my editor (also written in python)
01:49 rue_house little do you know that, now having coded it in python, you can just code it all in C, with almost the same calls
01:49 theBear you thinking a pile of books, you can't pile libraries <grin>
01:49 rue_house :)
01:50 rue_house theBear, I'm looking on ebay for a land line, bluetooth telephone
01:50 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, I could. I'd remove about 2 layers of complexity if python 3 actually included what it's docs say it does
01:50 theBear like a real pots one ? hmm
01:50 rue_house python calls are like almost 1:1 with the C calls
01:50 rue_house theBear, yea
01:51 theBear doesn't python have that thing, like a package manager for libs including the 'standard' ones ?
01:51 rue_house theBear, I'm trying to make black boxes that have a telephone jack, and two RCA in/out jacks, but trying to also work out a way to make it cordless
01:51 Jak_o_Shadows PIP? Sort of, but my major issue is that a feature in python 3 just doesnt' exist. The docs refer to it, except is just fails on windows here. Probably works on nix
01:52 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Handsfree-Home-Corded-Telephone-Headset-Microphone-/400523364349
01:52 rue_house I found these, I think I can mod them into the basic box I'm looking for
01:52 Jak_o_Shadows " A gorgeous present for your relatives and friends" Game controller blue is gorgeous
01:52 theBear python on windows ? windows in general ? you must be on crack or something
01:52 theBear rue_house, most landlines are dect now
01:53 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, I just don't have enough deskspace for the laptop as well. The table i'd normally use has a robot arm on it
01:53 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigaset-One-Bluetooth-Cell-Phone-Home-Phone-Docking-Station-Device-/261250638570
01:53 rue_house hmm whats this
01:57 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cobra-PhoneLynx-BT-215-Phone-to-Home-Adapter-with-Bluetooth-Wireless-/281129521035
01:57 rue_house hello
01:57 rue_house hahah wrong way around
01:59 Jak_o_Shadows solved my desk space issues. Moved a small cupboard
01:59 rue_house :)
01:59 rue_house images or it didn't happen :)
01:59 e_house bangs on the t
01:59 rue_house I want entertainment damnit!
02:00 Jak_o_Shadows haha. What's a good video editing program? I want to overlay two videos?
02:00 rue_house no, I know a bad one tho
02:00 rue_house gifsicle
02:00 rue_house :)
02:00 Jak_o_Shadows half-considering trying blender
02:01 Jak_o_Shadows It would get me more blender cred, on top of that i've already gotten in this project
02:01 rue_house hey, why are there no arduino shields for interfacing to phone lines?!
02:05 Jak_o_Shadows Plug the arm into a different serial port and it breaks.
02:05 Jak_o_Shadows silly thing
02:05 rgantuasauce has done video editing only by writing a c program using libavc
02:05 Jak_o_Shadows ffmpeg could probably do it
02:05 Gargantuasauce and i think that'd be preferable to ...blender
02:06 rue_house I use mencoder to split the audio track out and convert to animated gif, se gifsicle to snap to individual frames, edit in gimp or with imagemagick, re-assemble with gifsicle link with new audio made with audacity with mencoder, video edited!
02:08 rue_house people say I make things complicated, but some things I know how to make easy!
02:08 Gargantuasauce do you have a rube goldberg machine that hits all the keys for you
02:08 Faek Cause that would be awesome
02:58 Jak_o_Shadows ok, recorded my base video, now to overlay them together.
02:58 RifRaf cool
02:59 Jak_o_Shadows ouch, uncompressed avi. 1.86gb
03:06 Jak_o_Shadows Do you know of a good editor?
06:53 R0b0t1 ay yo gurl
06:53 R0b0t1 how you doooan
08:52 robotustra rue_house: you have good workshop
09:03 rue_house robotustra, thanks
09:07 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Coque-Telephone-Blackberry-8520-Elegant-Silicone-Noir-Test-yeux-/370844805865
09:07 rue_house heh
09:16 robotustra rue_house: why do you do everything with so trash level of quality?
09:22 robotustra who all these people
09:41 rue_house most things are just tests that are not meant to last long
09:52 robotustra and you don't publish serious things?
11:33 GuShH rue_house: you turn video into GIF for editing? what's wrong with you!
11:33 GuShH THIS GUY IS AN ALIEN
11:33 ShH removes the sugary water from
12:53 GuShH lawl "de don't deliver to your zone today, sorry -- you can still pick it up at our offices in xxxxx, cost of delivery $85" OK but if I'm picking it up, how come I end up paying full price anyway? this is ridiculous.
12:53 GuShH I'm sick of these half assed companies.
13:08 GuShH oh, also it turns out if I want it delivered, it costs $99.95 but they claim the paperwork was already made for $85. doesn't make sense.
14:39 GuShH poli: sup
19:43 GuShH hmm damn china.
20:26 Mr_Sheesh GuShH - .cn is china, .ch is Switzerland
20:44 GuShH Mr_Sheesh: ok thanks?
20:44 GuShH I'm just in disagreement with how they made this welder.
20:44 GuShH thermal switch is glued to the side of the plastic former on the secondary side, instead of on the core or the windings
20:45 GuShH and not just glued, it should be clamped
20:45 Mr_Sheesh NP just saying. I used to SOP a large social channel and we got to know some TLDs quite well. Oh, manufacturer's country? Different. Thought you saw Bustox's quit TLD :P
20:45 GuShH 108°C or something silly like that
20:45 Mr_Sheesh Glued... Oh joy.
20:45 GuShH with some epoxi stuff, I guess
20:45 Mr_Sheesh I've seen a few of those dang things fail cool too
20:47 GuShH for what I'm using it, this thing is enough for now... here you can see what I mean http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3809f.jpg
20:47 GuShH for the plastic to reach 108°C -+ 5% the windings would probably be way over 150°C at that time, if not more... surely
20:47 GuShH anyway at the amperage I'm using it the duty is 100%
20:48 Mr_Sheesh I'm just appalled that they did that crummy a job. Seen worse, sadly. Sure others have too.
20:48 GuShH was looking at migs and flux core wire spools, but there's a shortage... so it's not a good idea right now
20:49 GuShH the electrical side is very well made
20:49 GuShH all properly crimped, insulated, etc.
20:49 GuShH and neatly routed
20:50 GuShH those fans are rather useless, but it's better than no fan. they haven't got an extra thermostat in series with it so it would only turn on when needed, due to obvious cost reasons... so it's always on
20:50 Mr_Sheesh So long as you clear the dust/lint/gunk out regularly
20:51 GuShH getting some vibration resonance from the transformer, they only welded it in the middle, I'm pretty sure it should be welded on every notch
20:51 ShH sh
20:51 GuShH can't wait to get the big ol' buzz box from my grandpa's, that thing is solid.
20:52 GuShH weighs a lot too.
20:53 GuShH anyway, now I know what's in this thing and what needs to be changed for safety reasons.
20:53 GuShH can't trust china, I take everything apart when new.
20:53 GuShH that way you can avoid serious problems early on.
20:54 ShH now struggles with the live center of his wood lathe, the bearing has massive play already and it wasn't used much at al
20:54 Mr_Sheesh Not unwise at all! Unless you know the mfg is good at their craft/art :)
20:54 GuShH took the shaft out, now I need to figure out how to remove the bearing from the housing
20:54 Mr_Sheesh C4 :P
20:54 GuShH I'm not aware of a single chinese manufacturer that is to be trusted
20:55 Mr_Sheesh Bearing puller or punch usually will do it
20:55 GuShH unless they're under strict supervision and the plant is owned by a serious company
20:55 Mr_Sheesh trick's figuring out which ofc
20:55 GuShH Yeah no pullers.
20:55 Mr_Sheesh Yes, and even with supervision if your life depends on it, inspect it
20:56 GuShH bah if I had iron or steel stock and if I had the lathe setup... and if I had the tools I ordered for it already here... then I could turn a new live center...
20:56 Mr_Sheesh Trying to not drool here, no machine tools here at all ATM, mumble
20:57 GuShH Hmm I only have a metal lathe and a wood lathe, as far as real machines go
20:57 GuShH the former is in parts, spread throughout the house until I finish the stand for it and the latter well, now has a bad live center.
20:58 GuShH Mr_Sheesh: no space, no budget, no interest?
20:58 GuShH I don't have space for the lathe... that needs to be sorted out as well, so lots of things have to come together before I can even use it
20:58 Mr_Sheesh Just no budget or space; working on it. Long story. Trying to find friends I can trade favors to for parts made :P
20:58 GuShH don't know if you could see on that picture, left side that dark big thing is an old safe left behind by the previous owner of the house, if it wasn't there I'd have enough space for the lathe... darn it.
20:59 Mr_Sheesh Not well anyways
20:59 GuShH if I had enough firearms I could refurbish that safe and use it, but nope.
20:59 GuShH you'd have to pay someone to get rid of such a thing here
21:00 Mr_Sheesh Craigslist it off or that - Heck, some empty air space in there won't hurt anything
21:00 GuShH I can't even move it
21:01 GuShh_ darn
21:01 Mr_Sheesh discon's happen
21:01 GuShh_ wifi...
21:02 GuShh_ it's like bluetooth, but it annoys you on a wider range.
21:02 Mr_Sheesh percussive maintenance on your router/firewall help? :P
21:02 GuShh_ >_<
21:02 GuShh_ a hammer is on the way.
21:02 Mr_Sheesh Good :) (What! Not a sledge? :P)
21:02 GuShh_ actually I need to probe the power supplies
21:02 GuShh_ I suspect dried caps by now
21:03 Mr_Sheesh Those sure happen. I've seen 70C caps put just above a huge power resistor in too many pieces of gear x.x
21:04 GuShh_ In their defense, those caps were 0.01c cheaper!
21:08 Mr_Sheesh Yeppers, and lasted till end of warranty period
21:08 GuShh_ lol
21:08 GuShh_ planned obsolescence ftw
21:08 Mr_Sheesh Then died on a poor friend who asked me to help him fix them >.>
21:09 Mr_Sheesh Exactly. It was a CRT display anyways, but some poor folks still use those
21:09 GuShh_ some not so poor do as well
21:09 GuShh_ specially high quality ones
21:10 GuShh_ they're still using them!
21:10 GuShh_ and they keep a couple in most editing bays too
21:11 Mr_Sheesh I'm on a laptop ATM but using an external display as the inverter or backlight's sickly - Till I get 2-3 other disasters handled I'm not taking this beast apart.
21:12 GuShh_ heh
21:12 GuShh_ I can see the saw marks from the live center shaft... they didn't even face it
21:12 GuShh_ because "it won't be seen, and it goes into a hollow space, don't waste time on it!"
21:13 Mr_Sheesh Bleah :P
21:14 MrCurious what a nice evening
21:14 GuShh_ lol less than 4 bucks for the generic ones, no wonder they fail http://www.ebay.com/itm/6201ZZ-12x32x10-Shielded-12mm-32mm-10mm-6201Z-Deep-Groove-Radial-Ball-Bearings-/360392149546
21:14 Mr_Sheesh Price those in grade 9 tho :P And hey, MrCurious
21:14 GuShh_ they're all shit in eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/6201-ZZ-Premium-Grade-Bearing-12x32x10-6201-Z-ABEC3-C3-/370647075891
21:16 Mr_Sheesh Grade 9 bearings are used in audio tape transports like the old 24-track drives - they're GOOD but not cheap :P
21:16 Mr_Sheesh no wobble runout etc, in those tho :)
21:16 MrCurious seems the news today is about only 3 topics.... pope...... baby..... wiener
21:16 GuShh_ there's always some runout
21:16 GuShh_ MrCurious: and they all go together so nicely
21:16 GuShh_ in a closed room.
21:19 Mr_Sheesh Very little compared to grade 3 bearings tho :)
21:19 Mr_Sheesh (I know, not "no" runout but they're GOOD.)
21:20 GuShh_ you price them and we'll see if I agree?
21:22 MrCurious this has been bearing talk with sheesh and gush, tune in next week when gush says...
21:22 Mr_Sheesh I don't have the "in" with the local reps I used to have but, hmm, under $20 if you find the right local supplier or so?
21:22 Mr_Sheesh LOL
21:22 Mr_Sheesh Wait, I'll predict what I will say, "I want more tools!" :)
21:23 GuShh_ And I'll just fart loudly from a corner
21:23 GuShh_ MrCurious: this is NOT a podcast.
21:23 MrCurious that passes for entertainment... down there
21:23 GuShh_ Unless something else than gas passes through.
21:23 GuShh_ Then it's a horror story.
21:23 GuShh_ o.o
21:24 Mr_Sheesh Eeps!
21:25 Mr_Sheesh Hmm, could ask here, anyone know if someone's built a domino-placing 'bot yet? Tell it where to put the dominos and it places the 15,000 you want for a demo tomorrow, overnight :P
21:26 GuShh_ sure it exists
21:26 GuShh_ in multiple iterations
21:26 GuShh_ mostly japanese made
21:26 GuShh_ with used panties on top
21:26 GuShh_ just sayin'
21:26 Mr_Sheesh Those crazy japanese can be sorta kinky...
21:27 Mr_Sheesh (same as everyone else, there...)
21:28 GuShh_ hmm
21:28 MrCurious dang, totally derailed the channel again... talk about bearing s again pls
21:29 GuShh_ the live center parts feel like iron...
21:29 GuShh_ very dull sound, relatively soft
21:29 GuShh_ I can't believe they'd use iron for this, damn it china!
21:29 GuShh_ for the faceplate it's OK...
21:30 GuShh_ You can "blue" or "brown" iron parts too?
21:30 GuShh_ maybe it's poop-grade steel, like rebar
21:30 Mr_Sheesh I'd think they can blue them, yes
21:31 GuShh_ I can see a dimple left by the dog they used to turn the shaft between centers.... it's very soft, I'm betting it's low grade iron
21:31 GuShh_ no lapping on the morse tapers either
21:31 MrCurious re-quench it?
21:32 GuShh_ this is like cheap gun vs expensive gun heh
21:32 GuShh_ MrCurious: I have no experience working with iron, other than drilling it
21:32 GuShh_ it's like steel had sex with aluminum and iron came out.
21:32 Mr_Sheesh ... TMI!
21:32 GuShh_ I know that's not accurate, shut up it's a joke.
21:33 MrCurious crap. visualized before i realized
21:33 MrCurious sec...
21:33 MrCurious sec....
21:33 MrCurious emm..
21:33 MrCurious k
21:33 GuShh_ done?
21:33 MrCurious *nod*
21:33 GuShh_ go clean up the keyboard then
21:35 MrCurious feels like lithuim grease. odd
21:35 GuShh_ 6200 series are "medium duty" (wrong series to begin with) no clue on the grade but this is about as bad as it gets
21:36 GuShh_ MrCurious: but does it taste like lithium grease?
21:36 MrCurious that takes it too far
21:36 MrCurious i put my foot down on the topic of taste visualizations
21:37 GuShh_ I bet some japanese guy would pay to taste the foot also
21:37 GuShh_ well, the heavy duty series has a bigger outside diameter, as expected the balls are bigger.
21:45 GuShh_ holy shit bearing extractor sets are not cheap...
21:45 GuShh_ plus they're too big for this
21:45 GuShh_ time to build one
21:46 GuShh_ chunk of L steel profile, cut in 3 pieces to form a C frame... weld a nut in the center, shove a bolt in there and hope for the best.
21:47 Mr_Sheesh Wedge to split out the locks and 2 halves that pivot in the middle can be easier to fab for a 12mm bore?
21:48 Shh_ sh
21:48 GuShh_ If I had the lathe assembled, and if I had the tools here... and.. :p
21:48 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: plus I couldn't picture what you just said
21:50 Mr_Sheesh Have a bolt with the head "down" - split the head apart and round off the head so it fits inside the bearing's hole; then use a wedge to lock those two outwards (easiest to make it from 2 bolts ofc)
21:50 GuShh_ I guess
21:50 Mr_Sheesh it's 2 back-to-back Ls, each made from about 50-60% of a bolt, then together they fit into the 12mm hole, then you pull the wedge out to lock them in place
21:50 GuShh_ I'd turn the extractor piece, but the lathe situation won't allow it.
21:51 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: heating the housing will most likely let me push it out, but it would bake the grease and fully destroy whatever is left of it, don't have the replacement here right now.
21:51 Mr_Sheesh Dremel or hand file? arrgh <whisper> die grinder </whisper>
21:52 Mr_Sheesh S'OK to do it when you need to, just trying to "idea hamster" / show you one I've used
21:56 GuShh_ hmm
21:57 GuShh_ http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3814f.jpg it's a small live center and very cheapily made
22:01 Mr_Sheesh I'm sure you'll get it done when it's time :)
22:09 GuShh_ Heh, or throw it away and turn a new one, given enough time.
22:09 GuShh_ Some dipshit left one of "those" comments on one of my auctions....
22:10 GuShh_ Just because there's a "send a question" form doesn't mean they're entitled to say whatever the hell they want
22:10 GuShh_ He didn't like my disclaimer
22:10 GuShh_ (where I say I don't allow inexperienced users from buying my items)
22:12 robotustra GuShh_: how is your possum?
22:12 GuShh_ dunno, should still be up there
22:12 GuShh_ see how things pile up and I can't ever finish my projects? even a friggin possum gets in the way.
22:15 Mr_Sheesh What's up with the possum?
22:17 robotustra he adopted a possum
22:17 Mr_Sheesh Aaah. I've never adopted one, or raccoons, just not my thing; whatever works for you tho :)
22:23 MrCurious cnn just said "little, family, unit" when talking about the new baby...
22:23 MrCurious i should be very cross if i were the father
22:35 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: I did NOT adopt a possum.
22:35 GuShh_ it bored it's way into my roof
22:36 Mr_Sheesh Oh - Ack. Smoking it out or something?
22:36 GuShh_ And instead of shooting it's brains out I thought "let's try to remove it safely first" so robotustra assumed I was too soft and already adopted it.
22:36 Mr_Sheesh Could make 1-way traps to let it out but not back in maybe? You prolly already did :P
22:36 GuShh_ I could use my brother to "smoke it out"
22:36 Mr_Sheesh I've found that holes shot in the roof, cause said roof to leak badly
22:36 GuShh_ (he's one of those lame ass cigar smokers)
22:37 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: it already leaks where it bored through
22:37 GuShh_ hence why I'd feel very little if I shot it
22:37 GuShh_ I already had to set some money aside for the repairs
22:37 Mr_Sheesh Good accuracy and a stinger maybe?
22:37 GuShh_ 22 or airsoft should do on a possum
22:38 GuShh_ problems, it's on a slope, so it would fall deep into the roof
22:38 GuShh_ removal could be problematic if shot in there.
22:39 GuShh_ we'll try smoke, hopefully it'll run out and into a tree, then I'll trim the heck out of everything around the house so it can't get on top of the roof anymore
22:39 Mr_Sheesh Works :)
22:39 GuShh_ I don't like to disturb wild life, unless it disturbs me.
22:39 GuShh_ already had to deal with angry bats.
22:39 GuShh_ They might be good for the environment, they're not good for MY environment.
22:40 GuShh_ ...they were also getting into the top floor, making a mess, refusing to cooperate.
22:40 Mr_Sheesh I used to live in the wilds sorta - We had woods rats and I'd shoot those damn things in front of a sheriff if he told me NOT to, I hate those damn things. And the raccoons kept trying to eat the feral cat we had there, which I finally tamed completely
22:40 GuShh_ causing damage, etc.
22:40 GuShh_ the cat or the raccoons? xD
22:40 Mr_Sheesh Yep - If they're not being good neighbors, out they go. Raccoons as they were destructive
22:41 GuShh_ I have a "shop cat" (recent addition) and she gets up on the roof, I kept wondering why then I added 1+1, she was also trying to off the possum/s.
22:41 Mr_Sheesh cat ended up drooling, snuggled in my arms (he'd charge me to snuggle) and kneading my arm, sucking on my t-shirt, before we had to leave and found him a new home. He didn't start that friendly LOL
22:42 Mr_Sheesh I've had a cat who'd jump from the ground to the roof - also they LOVE the long view from the ridgeline
22:42 GuShh_ Oh and those fat black wasps... they're also in war with me.
22:42 Mr_Sheesh they no likie petrochemicals :P
22:43 GuShh_ I took at least 100 of them, last time I went up on the roof they tried to take me though, got stung twice... hurt a little, ok a lot.
22:43 GuShh_ worse than a bee by far.
22:43 GuShh_ at least I had my harness on, no damage otherwise.
22:43 GuShh_ Seems the wild is against me
22:43 GuShh_ Maybe it's time to rambo-up
22:44 robotustra love, peace, possum
22:45 Mr_Sheesh Used to have a good blowtorch - pump it up - don't light it - throws gas droplets at wasp nests, kills wasp nests dead
22:45 Mr_Sheesh I like most cats & dogs, just not every other animal.
22:47 robotustra like this
22:48 robotustra http://planeta.moy.su/_bl/172/75246120.jpg
22:49 Mr_Sheesh Ahh yes, the Bigheadicus Alianamus, some of those are quite vicious
22:51 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: heh it kills them by freezing?
22:51 GuShh_ Mr_Sheesh: the problem with those big black wasps is they nest into the wood.
22:51 robotustra Aliens kidnapped by other aliens feel themselfs not in their plate
22:51 GuShh_ they also bore into the house
22:51 GuShh_ so they're also in the kill-list
22:51 Mr_Sheesh GuShh_ - No, they cannot breathe in a gas vapor atmosphere. Just don't light the stream and set the woods on fire :P
22:52 GuShh_ but I'd think the "instant" part comes from the freezing other than lack of oxygen
22:52 Mr_Sheesh Friend's vacuumed some bees that bore into his house (he turns the vacuum on/off part time so they don't get wise)
22:52 GuShh_ even though they do breathe in a lot faster than we do, but they do so in a very different manner.
22:52 GuShh_ and?
22:52 GuShh_ C4 in the vaccuum? Mythbusters++
22:53 GuShh_ I'm sick of these things, is there a poison I can just lay everywhere in the roof?
22:53 GuShh_ that won't wash out...
22:53 GuShh_ seems concrete has another point right there, vs wood and tiles
22:53 GuShh_ cute roofing != efficient or pest proof
22:53 GuShh_ did not know that until recently.
22:58 Mr_Sheesh How do those things eat? Some way to trap them like those traps made from water/sugar and a 2L pop bottle?
23:01 robotustra http://s1.goodfon.ru/image/444100-2649x1655.jpg
23:16 theBear why do the aliens have boobs ?
23:16 GuShh_ because both mexicans and asians, they're human.
23:21 theBear heh, that scene in paul is awesome... they're in the hotel explaining to the bellboy dude what they doing on holiday... "do you believe in aliens ?" "what do jou meang, aliens ?" hehehe
23:22 robotustra GuShh_: :)
23:24 robotustra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tXMo_VaOs&list=PL7F6D4CF68C76189A
23:26 GuShh_ robotustra: ...?
23:28 robotustra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIuHSp3NmtE
23:29 robotustra 8bits sound
23:32 GuShh_ ugh... http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_main2.html 8500 usd, in the US... imagine somewhere else