#robotics Logs
Jul 22 2013
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00:20 Gargantuasauce_ it shears nicely at the joint, then you can just pick off the excess
00:20 Gargantuasauce_ worst case ontario you have to apply a bit of heat and attack it with a popsicle stick
00:21 Jak_o_Shadows Sure, bolts are nicer. Trick is to glue it to a smooth surface
00:28 GuShH worst case ontario?
00:57 Jak_o_Shadows fiendish autocrrect
01:13 Gargantuasauce_ it's a rickyism
01:14 Gargantuasauce_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfq3c4Cf1Fs
01:26 theBear all frickey fuckey
01:26 theBear that's a rickyism
01:28 Jak_o_Shadows I think If i designed a base, i could make my robot arm walk just by throwing its weight around
01:31 Gargantuasauce i want to make an inchworm
01:31 theBear lol\
05:00 GuShH oh wow these RF-xx mill series are a lot bigger than I thought
05:00 GuShH you can fit a mini mill on it's table, pretty much.
05:53 SquirrelCZECH MrCurious: nope, I just went asleep
05:53 SquirrelCZECH (my question the day before)
08:16 GuShH wtf http://www.swissprec.com/cgi/ISSRIT2?pmaka=13-508-7&pmctlg=01%26%2365533%3B
08:16 GuShH 422 dollars? I should buy that used one, assuming it's not heavily damaged
08:16 GuShH or a fake (do fake micrometers exist?)
08:17 GuShH http://www.mscdirect.co.uk/SPU-13508E/SEARCH:CATEGORY/product.html
08:19 GuShH looks like a cumbersome piece of kit, but oh well
08:19 GuShH oh look it's robotustra :p
08:20 robotustra morning
08:20 GuShH PMed
08:42 GuShH robotustra: As far as these cheap digital calipers go, they are pretty reliable for "most things" unless you're working on jet engines
08:42 GuShH But yeah, I want an analog micrometer.
08:43 moriarty ^ geek
08:43 GuShH moriarty: Oh really?
08:43 GuShH I would beat you down to a pulp and then some for calling me a geek!
08:43 moriarty GuShH, sorry i mean nerd wannabe
08:43 moriarty :)
08:44 ShH fr
08:44 Gargantuasauce that's not very nice
08:44 GuShH moriarty: So in your wisdom someone who has to measure anything is a nerd?
08:44 moriarty GuShH, someone who quibbles over the instruments of measure is pretty much a nerd wannabe in my books
08:46 Gargantuasauce hurrr
08:46 GuShH moriarty: Let me guess, you beat things down with a rock and that's about it?
08:46 GuShH I wonder whether you came to this world via a random dogging session or if you were just a misplaced specimen.
08:47 GuShH Gargantuasauce: I too can play that game
08:47 GuShH Some say I invented it.
08:47 ShH w
08:48 GuShH moriarty: Let me bring you up to speed, I need a micrometer and I have two options, buy new low quality chinese or buy used high quality swiss, it seems like a no-brainer, buy used.
08:48 Gargantuasauce i have one of those chinese micrometers and it likes to randomly jump 150mm or so in reading
08:48 moriarty GuShH, oh don't let me stop you, go on and discuss on the merits of vernier caliper vis-a-vis a sliding rule, micrometer, perambulator, lidar etc
08:48 riarty pats GuShH on the
08:48 moriarty there, there
08:49 GuShH It's not a discussion about measuring tools.
08:49 GuShH Gargantuasauce: The ones that look like the frame is made out of heavily painted cast iron?
08:49 GuShH greenish looking
08:49 moriarty GuShH, you could work for NIST next time and correct people to the sixteenth decimal placing on what the cast iron weighs kilogram-wise
08:49 moriarty :)
08:50 GuShH Hahaha
08:50 GuShH moriarty: That's so not me.
08:50 moriarty GuShH, shush nerd
08:50 GuShH moriarty: This is you making an assumption.
08:50 GuShH And this is me buying tools.
08:51 moriarty a tool buying tools
08:51 moriarty the irony
08:51 GuShH Also, you better stop before I shove the micrometer thimble up your ass.
08:51 Gargantuasauce and this is me pointing out the irony of calling someone a nerd on irc
08:51 GuShH Gargantuasauce: Heheh
08:52 GuShH It's OK he can keep going, it amuses me.
08:53 Gargantuasauce not even doing a good job of trolling
08:53 moriarty Gargantuasauce, http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/25/health/asian-beauty
08:53 moriarty thoughts?
08:53 moriarty :)
08:53 GuShH You can't expect a lot from a mentally challenged individual
08:53 GuShH Take it for what it is
08:53 moriarty GuShH, let's just say i'm smarter than you and your family combined
08:54 Gargantuasauce yeah plastic surgery is kind of a big deal here
08:54 Gargantuasauce i keep getting google ads for it too
08:54 GuShH I often wonder how they manage in McDonalds to keep the retards like moriarty from ending up floating in the frier.
08:54 GuShH So Dan-eske of you.
08:54 moriarty Gargantuasauce, haha
08:54 Tom_itx some do
08:54 Tom_itx they call em chicken nuggets
08:54 theBear this fucking guy again ?
08:54 ShH r
08:55 GuShH Tom_itx: Actually it's a good thing they employ them, but you have to wonder how much they have to invest in insurance, etc.
08:55 theBear i'm just pfft, i'll come back when he been removed
08:55 GuShH Also, I think I can learn more from them than 10 moriarty combined.
08:55 Gargantuasauce also did you seriously geolocate my ip to grab a news article relevant to my present location?
08:55 theBear i like you guys, but not as much as i hate him
08:55 Gargantuasauce is that a thing you actually did?
08:55 Tom_itx they keep the really dumb ones a broom length away from anything
08:55 GuShH Gargantuasauce: xD
08:56 moriarty Gargantuasauce, lol you're one of those i bet who uses a lidar to measure displacement
08:56 moriarty judging by your assumption of geolocation
08:56 GuShH POPCORN, NAO.
08:56 GuShH Bah, none of the accesories are included with the mill
08:56 Gargantuasauce well i do happen to be in south korea at the moment and that's a 3-week old article
08:56 GuShH ....none of the cool ones, that is.
08:57 GuShH Gargantuasauce: what are you doing there? emergency landing? <grin>
08:57 moriarty Gargantuasauce, do you like Gangnam music?
08:57 moriarty :)
08:57 Gargantuasauce i am doing a transfer student thing, teaching english then learning korean
08:57 Gargantuasauce i fucking hate kpop
08:57 moriarty Gargantuasauce, what are you studying?
08:57 moriarty transferred from?
08:57 GuShH KIMCHI
08:57 Gargantuasauce kimchi is good
08:58 GuShH Totally.
08:58 Gargantuasauce i have a bsc in computer science
08:58 GuShH But I've never had the real deal.
08:59 GuShH Just what hipster cooksters call and serve as kimchi.
08:59 moriarty Gargantuasauce, which uni?
08:59 Gargantuasauce upei
08:59 GuShH Although if I ever fancy to ferment my own stuff into clay pots... I might give it a go
08:59 moriarty eugh a canadian
08:59 GuShH moriarty: Why are you hiding, use your real nickname.
08:59 Gargantuasauce how dare you insult my extremely strong sense of national pride
08:59 GuShH eh
09:00 moriarty Gargantuasauce, lol are you asian?
09:00 theBear it's korean
09:00 Gargantuasauce nope, 100% master race
09:00 theBear Tom_itx, can you make this idiot disappear ?
09:00 GuShH theBear: I'll go away when I go away I told you already!
09:01 moriarty haha GuShH :)
09:02 GuShH moriarty: Anyway, 4chan is over there >>>>
09:02 GuShH Go with your kind.
09:03 Gargantuasauce in any case i've definitely been considering experimenting with a few different forms of feedback for motion control
09:03 moriarty GuShH, shush school dropout
09:03 Gargantuasauce and lidar may or may not be one of those
09:03 GuShH lol, reflecting much
09:03 moriarty Gargantuasauce, yawn been there done that
09:03 Gargantuasauce also interferometry
09:03 moriarty wow a five-syllable word
09:04 moriarty was that difficult?
09:04 Gargantuasauce if i said it as a korean it'd be like seven
09:04 GuShH We must safely assume this poor guy has a serious erectile disfunction.
09:04 moriarty lol what would that be in korean?
09:04 moriarty GuShH, your mum sure didn't complain
09:04 Gargantuasauce they turn adjacent consonants into extra syllables
09:04 GuShH She couldn't find it to begin with
09:04 moriarty GuShH, it was under her jelly rolls
09:05 Gargantuasauce it's annoying as hell
09:05 GuShH Hahah Why do you assume everyone is fat?
09:05 moriarty Gargantuasauce, a korean who can't speak hangul
09:05 Gargantuasauce i am not a korean
09:05 Gargantuasauce i have been here for a month
09:05 moriarty GuShH, well your mum could be everyone considering she occupies several postcodes :)
09:05 Gargantuasauce this is getting kind of boring
09:05 GuShH Fair enough
09:05 Gargantuasauce could you at least make someone angry
09:06 GuShH Gargantuasauce: That's probably what she said
09:06 Faek No probably
09:06 rue_house http://www.talamas.com/rentals/jk-audio-remotemix-3-telephone-hybrid-and-handset-interface
09:06 GuShH Faek: No?
09:06 Faek Aye no
09:06 rue_house I guess having a metal box means your project is rugged
09:06 rue_house even if the knobs stick way out...
09:07 GuShH unlike moriarty's
09:07 GuShH If you keep misbehaving you'll end up tied to rue's table.
09:07 theBear rue_house, make moriarty go away, he makes me sad
09:07 GuShH rue_house: I take it I can use the numpad to call mom?
09:07 GuShH Does it ring modulate my calls?
09:08 GuShH Heeeeello mooother... Exteeerminateee
09:08 robotustra rue_house: do you do lawn mower?
09:09 rue_house yea
09:09 Gargantuasauce http://www.idfblog.com/hezbollah/2013/07/15/if-hezbollah-had-a-facebook-profile-it-would-look-like-this/
09:09 Gargantuasauce "*For illustrative purposes only"
09:09 robotustra what stage?
09:09 rue_house theBear, hu?
09:09 robotustra it will be on wheels?
09:10 theBear rue_house, he's all abusive and racially insensitive and stuff
09:10 GuShH theBear: he's like that child I left to rot in the sewers a few years ago
09:10 Gargantuasauce maybe that's more than a coincidence
09:10 GuShH I guess we meet again
09:11 GuShH (reminds me of futurama heheh)
09:12 GuShH That a silly policy, now you can't mention prices of non published items on this stupid ebay clone site
09:13 GuShH Gargantuasauce: does your micrometer have an indicator?
09:13 Gargantuasauce oh i was a moron and was referring to my cheapo digital caliper
09:13 GuShH oh
09:13 ShH facep
09:13 Gargantuasauce :)
09:14 GuShH I haven't had any issues with the cheapo digital calipers
09:14 GuShH Other than having to re-zero, which is common on cheap tools like that
09:15 GuShH Also in theory they challenge a plain old micrometer, since they're 0.01mm right?
09:16 Gargantuasauce there's enough play on it that that resolution is completely irrelevant
09:16 theBear heh
09:16 rue_house theBear, the comments do seem verry trollish
09:16 GuShH I only compared mine to the feeler gages vs a vernier caliper
09:16 Gargantuasauce not trollish enough if you ask me
09:17 GuShH it was right on for what it's worth.
09:17 theBear meh fine, i'll just not be here till he's gone, tho i do disagree
09:17 GuShH but repeatability is not perfect
09:17 Gargantuasauce maybe i just got a particularly shitty specimen
09:17 moriarty wow this is like a high school discussion
09:17 riarty facep
09:17 GuShH I think poor moriarty fails to even troll.
09:17 Gargantuasauce yeah it is honestly kind of depressing
09:18 GuShH I'm surprised you managed to overhear an actual high school discussion in your life.
09:18 moriarty here's a pro-tip, go to university
09:18 theBear look, now he made gargantua depressed too
09:18 GuShH moriarty: And work as a janitor, like you do?
09:18 moriarty GuShH, lol you work as a janitor in real life?
09:18 moriarty that explains
09:18 rue_house moriarty, to not get kicked at this verry moment, tell me what resistor to use to get 20mA on a led that drops 1.4V from a 5V supply
09:18 GuShH that explains?
09:18 Gargantuasauce i am rubber and you are glue!!!
09:19 GuShH Yeah, that explains how retarded you are.
09:19 theBear Gargantuasauce, boing flip
09:19 moriarty rue_bed, you're asking me a high school question?
09:19 moriarty try a harder one
09:19 eBear waits with baited br
09:19 moriarty lol rue_house, i'm disappointed in your question
09:19 theBear i hear stalling
09:19 theBear but no answers
09:19 moriarty is there a calculator bot on here?
09:19 -!- moriarty was kicked from #robotics by rue_house!~rue@24-207-24-186.eastlink.ca [moriarty]
09:19 moriarty lawl
09:19 riarty facep
09:19 moriarty .c 1 + 1
09:20 moriarty awe no phen
09:20 rue_house theBear, shall I use the good stuff?
09:20 GuShH You have my pope's blessing
09:20 theBear you da boss, chief
09:20 moriarty rue_house, 70 ohms :)
09:20 moriarty rue_house, now get back to university
09:20 GuShH And some of my piss too for moriarty to feast on
09:20 moriarty and stop asking me childish electrical questions
09:21 GuShH What would moriarty do without Google.
09:21 theBear err, that ain't right
09:21 moriarty GuShH, lol i'm laughing so hard if you think one has to google something inane like that
09:21 GuShH Tiny googloids like him are an essential part of this world, they work in helpdesks and shit.
09:21 -!- moriarty was kicked from #robotics by rue_house!~rue@24-207-24-186.eastlink.ca [moriarty]
09:21 theBear ahh that's better
09:21 rue_house the answer was 180 ohms
09:22 Gargantuasauce shall we make a betting pool for whether he'll dodge?
09:22 theBear i agree
09:22 GuShH That's how pathetic he was, based on the time it took him to answer (he got time by going in over-trolling mode) he actually googled it.
09:22 theBear rue_house, note the general assumptions he'll be back, it's not just me :)
09:22 GuShH And failed to account for drop
09:22 GuShH Oh... how do we bet
09:22 GuShH I have half a cup of cold coffee, that good enough?
09:23 Gargantuasauce that'll do
09:23 GuShH Ok It's not half a cup anymore
09:23 GuShH :<
09:23 Gargantuasauce i'll bet a creeping sense of emptiness
09:23 theBear you mean it's not half full anymore
09:23 theBear now it's half empty
09:24 GuShH It's half way sad.
09:24 theBear yeah it was a poor joke :)
09:25 GuShH Well it seems I'm a nerd now? So I'm going to have to get some thick glasses
09:25 GuShH And... wait, will some vodka shot glasses and some wire do?
09:25 theBear heh
09:25 GuShH Insane magnification for no cost!
09:26 theBear i think yer sposed to use the bottom of coke bottles
09:26 GuShH Nah that's not fashionable anymore
09:26 GuShH Too much chromatic aberration also
09:26 GuShH tsk tsk.
09:27 Gargantuasauce speaking of booze, something really ridiculous here
09:27 Gargantuasauce is that if you go to a 7-11 and look at the drink cooler
09:27 theBear nah man, that's why the edges are different, it accounts for the aberration
09:27 GuShH 4°C on downtown... must be very cold here
09:27 Gargantuasauce a bottle of 20% rice vodka is cheaper than pop
09:27 GuShH heh
09:27 GuShH that's GOOD
09:27 GuShH theBear: you should move to Korea
09:27 theBear damn ! i often dream of liquor being sold outside of liquor stores here
09:27 theBear apparently i should
09:27 GuShH -1°C
09:28 theBear heck, even canadia would do
09:29 GuShH you could suck on some maple trees and engage with fleurtacious canuckistanies
09:29 theBear that sounds like fun
09:29 GuShH in no particular order.
09:29 GuShH I'm cold...
09:30 GuShH at this point lack of insulation is becoming evident.
09:30 GuShH mostly the windows. damn windows.
09:30 GuShH they should've used penguins instead.
09:30 rue_house <rue_house> so what the answer?
09:30 rue_house <moriarty> it's 180k ohm
09:30 rue_house hahahahahahaha
09:31 theBear heh nice
09:31 theBear GuShH, heh beat me to it
09:33 GuShH rue_house: well, that goes to show he's the actual dropout.
09:33 rue_house oh dear, I need to go to work..
09:33 theBear oh ! cos i really thought he was some kinda genius, i mean, that's the impression he gave, you know, by saying he's some kind of genius :)
09:34 rue_house <moriarty> sigh
09:34 rue_house <moriarty> you make such a big deal of putting circuits together
09:34 rue_house <moriarty> it's pretty obvious you haven't been to uni before
09:34 GuShH I think he did 3,6 times 20 to come up with 70 (72)
09:34 theBear he used 1.4 instead of 3.6
09:35 rue_house it would be a university mistake to put k on the end and not have a clue why the circuit dosn't work
09:35 theBear heh yeah, kids don't come out of university smart like they used to :)
09:35 GuShH well he started by 5-1.4 then 3.6*20
09:35 theBear the umm, for want of a better term, don't feed the bear rue :)
09:35 GuShH -_-
09:35 theBear 1.4 / .02
09:36 rue_house off to work, bye
09:36 theBear cya :)
09:36 GuShH theBear: that's worse
09:36 GuShH Actually I can't stand the typical academic dipshits.
09:36 GuShH They're the most clueless
09:37 theBear the amount of clueness isn't so much the point, as how convinced they are of their superiority
09:37 GuShH I IS SUPERIAOR
09:37 ShH f
09:37 GuShH SMELL THE SUPERIORITY
09:37 theBear smells french to me <grin>
09:38 theBear but i'm not english, point that thing somewhere else
09:38 GuShH That explains the white flag coming out of my pants
09:38 theBear lol
09:38 theBear i was wondering what that was
09:38 GuShH well it's soiled, but it was white.
09:40 GuShH ohh tomorrow -3°C
09:40 GuShH and windy...
09:44 theBear erg, enough, i gonna finsih thismovie and have a nap hopefully, didn't really work last night, and i had 2 bottles of wine just for good luck
09:44 theBear last night that is
09:44 GuShH did you get paid for those repairs ?
09:45 theBear of course, don't remember what they were now, but of course
09:45 GuShH theBear: I wonder if there's a machinist's trick on cheap calibration sources
09:45 GuShH heh
09:45 theBear priorities changed when my back went downhill last week
09:45 GuShH something you fixed for someone, of course
09:46 theBear yeah probly
09:46 theBear erg, i cya tomorrow
09:46 GuShH bye!
09:46 ShH tries not to give theBear a
09:46 theBear good boy ! someone was bound to be smart enough one of these days
12:23 robotustra GuShH: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2v84t8k&s=5
12:32 GuShH robotustra: now it's even more complicated!
12:33 GuShH lots of setup for all those holes...
12:33 GuShH unless you've got a tool changer and 90000000 axes
12:33 Tom_itx gun drill and 3 positions
12:34 GuShH he needs to reposition for every surface to be drilled, unless he can go straight through
12:34 GuShH or use black magic
12:35 Tom_itx i'd go for the black magic
12:35 GuShH so, a roughing endmill to begin, then what? :p
12:35 Tom_itx 6 pos tops
12:37 GuShH Tom_itx: what's used to keep those sharp 90° corners? a very tiny endmill?
12:37 GuShH the internal ones
12:38 Tom_itx i'd say he's gonna have to give up on some of the corner radius tolerance but yes i'd clean them up with a small endmill
12:38 GuShH it's going to be on the inside, if the clearance is not required, why bother!
12:38 GuShH and if this is a heatsink, why are there no fins, it just seems to be a "cap"
12:39 GuShH or merely a heat spreader
12:39 ShH p
12:39 Tom_itx i didn't see what it was
12:39 GuShH he said it's a mounting bracket / heatsink for a board
12:39 Tom_itx a big 'cap' may be all that is required
12:40 GuShH why bother then
12:41 GuShH a square piece of alu and two mounting clips should do then.
12:41 GuShH it's just an excuse to CNC something, admit it robotustra!
12:42 GuShH (with standoffs, but he said "I don't want 5 pieces, I want 1 piece")
12:42 GuShH to which I forgot to reply, there are already multiple screws involved, dummy!
12:43 GuShH I bet this is even heavier as well
12:46 robotustra GuShH: either I drill 4 holes here or 8 holes in other place
12:55 Tom_itx http://www.electronicproducts.com/Computer_Peripherals/Systems/Microsoft_helped_NSA_get_around_its_encryption_systems_so_agency_could_more_easily_spy_on_users.aspx
12:58 robotustra Tom_itx: use Linux
12:59 robotustra and PGP
12:59 GuShH robotustra: If you are milling something like the upper receiver of an ar15... ok, well, you don't really have many options. But in this case, you don't really -need- that particular design!
12:59 robotustra :)
12:59 robotustra I need, you'll see
12:59 GuShH BAH
13:00 GuShH If you'll be making it water tight, a cap like that would make sense, including a flange...
13:00 GuShH But no?
13:01 GuShH Me: Do you have 6011 x 2mm electrodes? Seller: NO. Me: Do you have 7014 x 2mm electrodes? Seller: NO. Me: Do you have either in 2.5mm? Seller: NO.
13:01 GuShH WHY ON EARTH DOES HE EVEN HAVE A "WELDING SUPPLY STORE" THEN?
13:01 robotustra flange is for righidity
13:01 robotustra I'll rotate eye using this holes
13:02 robotustra in will be strings in them
13:02 GuShH Here's what the guy stocks... 6013, but not in 2mm or 2.5mm... Must be a pipe welder's supply store.
13:02 GuShH robotustra: and some plastic bushing I hope?
13:02 GuShH teflon...
13:02 robotustra yes
13:02 robotustra may be I round edges
13:03 GuShH sorry it must be PTFE, in Russia brand names are no welcomed.
13:03 robotustra but put something
13:03 robotustra nylon
13:03 GuShH isn't nylon a brand, also?
13:03 robotustra I know this words
13:04 robotustra I mean we use them in Belarus
13:04 ShH g
13:04 GuShH I know.
13:04 GuShH I was being an ass on purpose.
13:04 GuShH Jeez.
13:05 robotustra have to drill some holes in frames
13:06 GuShH Interesting, the mill with the dovetail "shaft" isn't a lot more expensive than the one with the cylindrical shaft but they're different in many other aspects
13:06 GuShH Do you still call it a bed, even though it's vertical?
13:10 GuShH Alright so people just call it the column, not very glamorous...
13:12 GuShH What I mean is, spindle mounted on the vertical feed plus motor, etc. with a dovetail column vs the drill-press style
13:13 robotustra GuShH: your Broca's area is 4 times bigger than mine
13:14 GuShH Oh really, how did you come up with that number?
19:37 GuShH http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00gBRQWmjJZvuG/Metallurgy-Equipment-Casting-Parts-Rolling-Mill-Housing.jpg
19:40 robotustra norm
19:42 GuShH robotustra: I'm not Norm!
19:43 robotustra I mean normal picture
19:43 GuShH what do you mean by normal
19:43 GuShH that's not a normal cast
19:44 robotustra I mean casual
19:44 GuShH it's a massive cast!
19:44 robotustra normal means that it's not deviant
19:44 robotustra yep
19:44 GuShH I wonder if those bars on the top right are not lathe bed blanks
19:44 GuShH heh
19:45 GuShH robotustra: do they keep the entire thing heated by induction or a similar method? I can't even imagine how something that big is cast in one piece without major flaws
19:45 robotustra it's not the largest cast I saw on youtube
19:47 GuShH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_statue why is it so out of proportion?
19:52 rue_house did moriarty ever get the right answer
19:52 rue_house ?
19:53 robotustra lack of metal?
19:53 GuShH lack of mental...
19:53 GuShH rue_house: the answer for him is a .40 S&W through the skull
19:53 GuShH no other answer for his existence.
19:53 rue_house jerks have the right to life too
19:54 GuShH not at my expense!
19:54 rue_house too bad he didn't understand 180 ohms != 180k ohms
19:54 GuShH first he said 70ohms or something like that
19:54 GuShH didn't account for drop
19:54 GuShH I bet he then googled it and failed to even do that properly
19:54 rue_house not evn enought experiance to know that an led wouldn't light on 5V with 180k
19:55 robotustra what are you talking about?
19:55 GuShH hmmm depends on how many micro-amps, your definition of "light" and the type of LED
19:55 rue_house guy was tring to be a know it all today
19:55 rue_house he was also being a jerk
19:55 rue_house nothing but derogatory comments
19:55 robotustra ok
19:56 robotustra rue_house: do you have pics of your lawn mower?
19:56 rue_house I gave him a calculate-the-led-resistor problem and be badly failed it
19:56 rue_house yea
19:56 rue_house !assist robots/mowerbot
19:56 rue_house oh right
19:56 rue_house one min
19:56 GuShH you'll give robotustra a heart attack
19:57 GuShH he's picturing a stylized highly efficient design
19:57 robotustra :)
19:57 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot/p1020962.jpg
19:57 GuShH rue_house: did you level your lathe stand to make sure you were not flexing the bed?
19:57 rue_house hahahaha
19:57 GuShH I kept thinking about the chatter
19:57 rue_house I have to bolt hte wheels back on every half hour (no, but close)
19:57 robotustra electric?
19:57 rue_house 100%
19:58 GuShH xD
19:58 rue_house so is the new one
19:58 Skwint from your mower bot photo, it looks like it cut the grass a wee bit too short there :p
19:58 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot2/
19:58 GuShH mine will be gasoline operated.
19:58 GuShH Skwint: lol
19:58 rue_house look at all the other photos in the dir
19:58 rue_house most of the evolution is there
19:58 robotustra did you try it already?
19:58 GuShH haha "I got carried away and it took over the lawn!"
19:59 rue_house my old one works
19:59 rue_house I have to do roll-compenstion for the new one and it holding me up
19:59 rue_house I should put it back out now, but I dont feel liek watching it
19:59 Jak_o_Shadows I have yet to see a picture that has lawn that needs mowing.
19:59 rue_house it works its way up the yard and gets into all sorts of trouble
20:00 Jak_o_Shadows So it must be successful!
20:00 GuShH isn't the idea to automate the process so you don't have to supervise it or do anything
20:00 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: I've yet to see lawn
20:00 rue_house yesterday I heard its drive motor labouring for a while continious, so I peered out of the shop to see it dragging a 40'x50' trap around behind it
20:00 GuShH if I ever get around to build mine, it'll just be a waypoint follower
20:01 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot/dscn8283.jpg
20:01 GuShH mower bot in it's natural habitat
20:01 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNT-Yi9RCi8
20:02 GuShH lol
20:02 rue_house when the batteries get low, the optic sensor sticks, which results in spinning
20:03 robotustra rue_house: you have to teach me where are scrap yards near to Montreal
20:03 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-I28nsCTc
20:04 rue_house substancially better video
20:04 rue_house sorry I was playing with the midi sequencer
20:05 robotustra what is the logic?
20:05 rue_house 386, qbasic software
20:05 robotustra bumber hir - go back and rotate some angle?
20:05 rue_house its a collision avoidance with a lot of timers
20:05 robotustra hit
20:06 Jak_o_Shadows haha. I once tried to learn qbasic, a long time ago.
20:06 rue_house everythings run off a parallel port
20:06 Jak_o_Shadows What's the new one have?
20:06 Jak_o_Shadows going to have.
20:06 rue_house the left AND the right motor, and the 3 sensors
20:06 robotustra rue_house: does it remember the position it was?
20:06 rue_house more bumpers!
20:06 rue_house hell no, it has no idea
20:06 robotustra :)
20:07 rue_house I have an upgrade list thats the whole robot, which is why the new one
20:07 rue_house please remember to like the video if you feel it was entertaining
20:07 robotustra 386 consume too much power
20:07 rue_house 5V 4A
20:08 robotustra a lot
20:08 rue_house the 5.25" floppy auto powers down when the drive is not in use (aka after its booted)
20:08 rue_house and alg has been being adjusted for so long it can get itself out of almost anyting
20:08 robotustra what time it can run?
20:09 rue_house orig was .5hr, now, its a few hours
20:09 robotustra 12 V battery?
20:10 robotustra reminde me jhonny-5
20:10 rue_house yup, but hte new cutter motor needs atleast 24, so I have a second 12V there that boosts up the main
20:10 rue_house making a doubler is on my list
20:10 robotustra johnny
20:10 rue_house its amazingly good at getting into trouble
20:10 rue_house its got no rear bumper
20:11 rue_house it uses that to try to cut down the hedges
20:11 rue_house it will front bump a hedge, then manage to work its way around and try to back over it
20:11 robotustra what is the weight of it?
20:11 rue_house I reffer to it as "hedge humping"
20:11 rue_house maybe 60lbs
20:12 rue_house it can spin the tires, when it does, it burns holes in the lawn
20:12 rue_house /ground
20:12 robotustra :)
20:12 rue_house the bike chain that drives the wheels is designed to derail easily, and it does
20:12 GuShH holy crap
20:12 robotustra i was thinking about another design
20:13 GuShH a weasel got into my roof and it's messing up the wood!
20:13 rue_house :)
20:13 GuShH that's what the noise was
20:13 rue_house that dirty weasel!
20:13 robotustra shoot it
20:13 GuShH Hard place to remove it from outside
20:13 rue_house robotustra, the new one is a disability chair, its much better
20:13 GuShH robotustra: I would, but a dead animal between your roof is not a good idea
20:13 GuShH robotustra: I'd try to remove it alive from outside
20:13 rue_house less the fact that the motors backdrive really easy
20:13 GuShH robotustra: shall it try to bite or some shit, it's dead.
20:14 GuShH Sorry but it already cost me over 1k in repairs from what I just saw
20:14 GuShH I can't be that kind.
20:14 robotustra does it understand spanish?
20:14 GuShH Haha
20:14 GuShH Only saw the snout poking out a hole it made.
20:14 GuShH I'm not happy.
20:14 GuShH I know it wants a warm place to live, but not like that.
20:15 robotustra speak it in russian than
20:15 GuShH Then again if you remove it alive, give it a place to live... it'll crawl back to where it was
20:15 GuShH Ok so this explains the leak.
20:15 robotustra you can catch it
20:15 GuShH And the noise.
20:16 robotustra it hides because of rains?
20:16 GuShH I saw some dirt and a leaf or two from the tree that's up above, wondering how it got there... and that's when I saw the hole.
20:16 GuShH robotustra: no, it lives there because it's warm. the leak is due to the hole it made, clearly.
20:16 robotustra I see
20:16 robotustra clever monkey
20:17 GuShH they can shuffle the tiles around
20:17 GuShH That's why I don't like tiled roofs
20:17 Jak_o_Shadows In australia, you're not even allowed to trap possums that get in your roof
20:17 GuShH I'd much rather have a solid, flat concrete roof with some membrane on top, even if it looks like crap at least it's highly efficient.
20:18 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: oh?
20:18 GuShH yeah it's like a possum come to think of it
20:18 robotustra rue_house: do you have encoders in your mower?
20:18 GuShH the snout was bigger than my cat's though
20:18 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: how do you follow in AUS?
20:18 GuShH I think it got through some branches
20:18 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, you can patch it up, but you can't move it more than 90m away.
20:18 GuShH Love to see them out on the wild, but not ruining my stuff like that, no.
20:18 GuShH A couple bats already tried and ended up shot.
20:19 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: It's their natural place, but so is mine
20:19 GuShH And they're not worth a new roof.
20:19 Jak_o_Shadows So yeah, you rent out an expensive trap from the local council, then move it 90m away.
20:19 GuShH And it comes back again
20:19 Jak_o_Shadows Pretty much
20:19 robotustra rue_house: is it silent?
20:19 GuShH and the trap guy enjoys a bbq with the council guys
20:20 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah
20:20 GuShH robotustra: mine will go BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahh
20:20 GuShH 2 stroke most likely
20:20 Jak_o_Shadows I have 2 broken whipper-snippers. Let's fix one.
20:20 GuShH I doubt 26cc will do for the blade, but that's all I have right now... needs a new cylinder lining and rings
20:20 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: yey that's where the 26cc came from
20:21 Jak_o_Shadows To be honest, one completely works, it's just broken off the shaft connecting to the whipper snipper bits. The other one has a problem with the fuel line somewhere I think.
20:21 GuShH also seeing how the clutch is basically a toy, using some steel cable should be a better idea
20:21 GuShH make one of the two
20:21 GuShH keep the rest for spares
20:21 GuShH take it for what it is :p
20:21 Jak_o_Shadows Yep.
20:22 GuShH usually 2 fuel lines
20:22 GuShH unless it has a vacuum line, rare on small engines they just get it directly from the carb boot
20:22 robotustra rue's gone?
20:22 robotustra I have couple of questions
20:22 GuShH he got eaten by the mowerbot
20:23 robotustra about first lawn mower
20:23 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: replacing both lines (return, fuel) is a safe bet if your fuel has ethanol to begin with
20:23 GuShH robotustra: maybe I could channel the rue and answer your questions?
20:24 robotustra how he controlled motors from 386
20:24 GuShH command died with status 1: "/etc/postfix/quota_postfix"
20:24 GuShH how nice... I can't even email the courier that has my package
20:24 robotustra I see that he used some board
20:24 GuShH because they don't even clear their email account
20:24 robotustra http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot/dscn9556.jpg
20:25 robotustra is it ISA?
20:25 Tom_itx yep
20:25 GuShH yeah
20:25 robotustra http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot/dscn9557.jpg
20:25 robotustra and what it is?
20:25 Tom_itx a ruevention
20:25 GuShH 386?
20:25 robotustra yes
20:26 GuShH 286
20:26 GuShH it's AT, within that era anyway
20:26 robotustra he told that 386
20:26 GuShH so, I said it wasn't efficient
20:26 robotustra his stuff reminds me steampank
20:26 GuShH at least it works
20:26 robotustra but more brutal
20:26 GuShH it's practical / applied robotics
20:26 robotustra like new direction in steampank
20:27 GuShH in an artistic way
20:27 robotustra field robotics
20:27 GuShH ruebotics
20:27 GuShH (tm)
20:27 GuShH Now I feel bad for the possum...
20:27 GuShH If I remove all means to get to the roof, and I relocate it... (assuming it won't try to chew my arm)
20:29 robotustra do it do it do it now
20:32 GuShH NOW?
20:32 GuShH it's freezing out, it's dark at night and to get up you need to harness up.
20:32 robotustra I see you already like it
20:33 GuShH I do, that cute snout
20:33 GuShH I shall call it Jorge
20:33 robotustra build him a house
20:33 GuShH haha
20:33 robotustra from plywood
20:33 GuShH they like to sleep up high it seems
20:33 robotustra and chane it
20:34 rue_house the rpm guage I bought turned out to be a freq meter :/
20:34 rue_house I think they oopsed
20:34 GuShH anyway I can't let it keep on doing that
20:34 GuShH it's days are counted living on my roof
20:34 GuShH well, IN my roof.
20:34 GuShH rue_house: tell it to divide by 60!
20:34 rue_house attics gonna start to smell real bad
20:35 GuShH actually it's a master bedroom upstairs too
20:35 GuShH you'd imagine why I'd be annoyed
20:35 robotustra rue_house: how did you control motors from ISA board?
20:35 GuShH don't know if possums and such poop where they sleep
20:35 rue_house parallel port
20:35 robotustra ah
20:36 robotustra 0x378?
20:36 rue_house or such
20:36 rue_house inputs too
20:36 robotustra 0x378h?
20:36 robotustra I see
20:36 GuShH he probably uses as much power to move the blade / cutter as he does to operate the 386
20:36 rue_house qbasic, so prolly 888
20:36 robotustra now I understand the tric
20:37 rue_house I did it long before easy to develop on microcotrollers
20:37 rue_house and any time I want I can plug in a monitor and modify the program
20:37 robotustra I used to make a phone card reader through LPT port
20:37 GuShH now he shoves laptops into tupperware
20:37 ShH
20:37 rue_house do that on a rasbery pi
20:37 robotustra it had i2c interface
20:38 rue_house drat I'm gonna fall asleep
20:38 robotustra no, if I'll make it I'll do it on microcontroller
20:38 rue_house I made a 3/4" to 1.75" pipe to muffler adapter
20:38 robotustra rue_house: good night
20:39 rue_house robotustra, then you cant do on the fly field program mods
20:39 robotustra what for?
20:39 rue_house my genorator
20:39 rue_house I'm putting a car muffler on it
20:39 robotustra I can, if it will be linux inside
20:39 rue_house final attempt so silence it
20:39 rue_house linux dosn't run on a microcontroller
20:39 rue_house microcomputer, yes
20:39 robotustra orly?
20:40 robotustra micro ordinateurs?
20:40 rue_house arm etc aren't microcontrollers
20:40 rue_house their processors
20:40 robotustra ok
20:40 rue_house so
20:40 rue_house c
20:41 rue_house I have to get the tig going so I can weld the corrigated stainless to the pipe ends
20:43 rue_house I have to finish the tube bender for the mecha this summer too
20:44 Tom_itx the mount will vibrate and crack
20:44 robotustra what disk and OS do you use on mower?
20:44 robotustra 360k?
20:44 robotustra DOS?
20:45 Tom_itx linux
20:47 robotustra 1.44k
20:57 rue_house 6.22
20:57 rue_house 1.2M
20:57 theBear 1.2 ? nice work !
20:57 theBear high density 51/4
21:02 robotustra I can't mount it on win8
21:02 robotustra I always knew that mictosoft is a shit
21:02 theBear mount what ? maybe you need ext2ifs
21:02 robotustra what
21:02 robotustra ?
21:02 robotustra he used DOS 6.22
21:03 robotustra and FAT16
21:03 robotustra of it's FAT12
21:03 theBear what ? you wanna mount a dos disk and windows can't do it ? that's the same as a current/modern dos disk
21:03 robotustra I think it's FAT12 yet
21:03 theBear yeah that sounds right, but it's the same as a current one
21:05 robotustra yep, it's FAT12
21:06 theBear yeah, disks can't be 16
21:06 robotustra I don't have such floppy drives at home
21:06 robotustra I saw this file raw
21:06 theBear a livecd could do it too
21:07 theBear or that thing you use to make bootable usb sticks
21:07 theBear that exists in windows
21:08 botustra I miss that time when bytes were
21:09 theBear obviously, you called a 1.44mb disk 1.44k :)
21:09 robotustra ah yes
21:09 robotustra it was a typo
21:09 theBear ii forgive you.. i can't even see straihgt
21:10 robotustra 1.44 M but with two FAT tables
21:10 theBear sounds about standard
21:12 robotustra rue is genious
21:12 theBear yep
21:13 theBear he is genius :)
21:13 theBear even if he can't spell
21:14 robotustra from his disk: "Warning: This file should be maintained by skilled computer nerds only"
21:15 theBear well, are you skilled ?
21:15 theBear are you nerd ?
21:15 theBear are you computer ?
21:15 robotustra I'm not ever nerd
21:15 theBear probly best not to touch it then
21:15 robotustra even
21:15 theBear call a pro
21:16 robotustra call steve vozniak, he wrote basic
21:17 theBear it's ok, i know his basic inside out
21:17 robotustra wozniak
21:17 theBear and the next 5 ones
21:17 theBear back then it was easy to know everything about a programming language and all the available interpreters
21:17 robotustra I used to know one of basics at school
21:18 robotustra but I skiped fast to Pascal
21:18 theBear back then it wasn't exactly easy to get something new, took me years before i got disks with turbopascal and err, i think that's the only one i had for a few more years
21:19 robotustra next was C
21:19 robotustra no
21:19 robotustra Fortran
21:19 robotustra next C
21:19 robotustra then C++
21:19 robotustra then I think it was tasm
21:20 robotustra but I played with it not much
21:21 robotustra after that I don't remember
21:22 robotustra I just know that I write any language I can read :)
21:25 robotustra theBear: are you 60 years old?
21:25 theBear may as well be
21:25 theBear <sob> why doesn't anyone answer their phone ? i'm in no condition to shuffle to the bus stop
21:26 robotustra second quection: Are you Steve Wozniak?
21:28 GuShH lo
21:28 theBear might be, can't think, is he a cripple with long hair and a taste for liquor ?
21:28 GuShH l
21:28 theBear gaar why is it so hard ?
21:29 GuShH robotustra: this is theBear http://shippingwars.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/roy-garber-shipping-wars.jpg
21:31 theBear http://076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com/images/files/000/516/652/original/original.jpg
21:32 theBear ding dong muthafucka, ding dong
21:32 MrCurious thank god a news channel that ISNT having a baby over and over and over
21:32 theBear i may have got drunk and done a shot by shot comparison with that dude a few weeks ago, i may get drunk again and put it on the web one day
21:33 robotustra MrCurious: I can call you here with my thoughts
21:34 theBear heh, why you think you all here now ? you remember consciously choosing to come ? i thought not !
21:40 GuShH lol
21:41 GuShH theBear: help me get rid of he possums!
21:41 GuShH the*
21:41 theBear so if yer see someone shuffling down the road lookin like they got ms or something, would you pick them up if they stick their thumb out ?
21:41 GuShH depends where the thumb is coming from
21:41 theBear or does that scare people ?
21:42 theBear why am i always broke when this shit happens ? it's just not fair !
21:42 GuShH what shit
21:42 GuShH can't believe a courier / shipping company can't even handle their own email accounts
21:42 GuShH ffs
21:43 GuShH all they manage is to make everyone angry at them through the phone, instead of through emails :p
21:43 GuShH and I'm assuming they'd pick up, most companies don't.
21:43 theBear i prefer to do it with a phone, you get instant satisfaction
21:43 GuShH I can't seem to find the tracking page on their site
21:43 GuShH ...and they haven't even told me how much it'll cost
21:44 theBear you don't deal with many couriers do yer
21:44 GuShH See, if they try to charge me more than I know it's worth, I'll get pissed off at the poor dude
21:44 GuShH theBear: usually I'm told exactly how much it'll cost
21:44 theBear he won't care
21:44 GuShH and I base the purchase on that
21:44 GuShH he won't care if I go nuts?
21:45 theBear he's a truck driver, he might kill you, but it won't bother him
21:45 GuShH I should keep a trashbag with me at all times, as a way to suggest "you fuck with me, you end up in the bag" but most people would think I work for the garbage company
21:45 GuShH nah truck drivers here are all gay.
21:45 theBear lol, what a world you live in
21:46 GuShH I'm not sure it made it to the rest of the world
21:46 GuShH heh, was a funny story.
21:46 GuShH also why would they have to drive a truck to deliver a tiny box
21:46 GuShH that's not efficient!
21:46 GuShH is rue behind this all?
21:46 GuShH SHOW YOURSELF
21:47 GuShH ohhh quake3 arena cd
21:47 GuShH fond memories
21:47 theBear they don't run courier companies because they mastered the art of logistics
21:47 theBear that shit is complex math, and applied
21:49 robotustra what is the complex math for you?
21:49 theBear no math is complex for me, i finished highschool and didn't stop studying there
21:50 theBear even learned proofs a couple years ago
21:50 GuShH robotustra: 2+2
21:50 GuShH 7, obviously.
21:51 theBear looks reasonable to me
21:51 GuShH within china's fudge factor
21:51 theBear i didn't know chinese liked cakes
21:52 robotustra theBear: tell me that cos^2(x) + sin^2(x) = ....
21:52 theBear tell me i shouldn't be in the er right now and i will
21:52 robotustra 1
21:53 theBear i thought so... oh dear christ, i'm outta here, 80 minutes, i gotta be able to get there in that time
21:55 theBear aight, wish me luck, i gonna need it
21:56 Faek Luck
22:01 rue_shop2 where is he goin?
22:03 rue_shop2 ok I have to set up an avr for charting voltage
22:03 rue_shop2 max is a 12V battery
22:03 rue_shop2 15V
22:04 rue_shop2 if I go with 20.48V
22:04 rue_shop2 resolution of .02V
22:04 rue_shop2 more than enough
22:06 rue_shop2 root@freebee5:/zipfiles/programming/c/resistor# ./R2
22:06 rue_shop2 +V
22:06 rue_shop2 R2
22:06 rue_shop2 VR1
22:06 rue_shop2 R1
22:06 rue_shop2 GND
22:06 rue_shop2 Divider supply: 20.48
22:06 rue_shop2 bottom resistor: 1000
22:06 rue_shop2 divider output: 5.00
22:06 rue_shop2 R2 is :3096.000000
22:06 rue_shop2 R2 dissipates 0.077400w
22:06 rue_shop2 R1 dissipates 0.025000w
22:06 MrCurious i hear you robotustra
22:08 rue_shop2 yea, k
22:10 rue_shop2 3k with a 200R series pot
22:25 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, couldn't see anything visibly wrong with the broken motor. The fuel lines look intact, but it might be worth replacing them anyway, as I remember having a lot of trouble with them. Fixed the recoil starter, now it actually retracts the cord.
22:25 Jak_o_Shadows Nah, the fuel is just petrol/oil, no ethanol involved I don't think.
22:26 Jak_o_Shadows As for the other one, the problem is in the mount to the whipper-snipper shaft. Doesn't seem too hard to fix, if i had the materials and a welder
22:32 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: could be clogged carb
22:32 GuShH clogged impulse path
22:32 GuShH etc
22:33 GuShH the needle could be full of sludge
22:33 GuShH unless it's a stihl or a husky they're meant to be dispoed...
22:33 GuShH disposed*
22:34 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah. The carb looks clean, and I don't really want to disassemble that. The ryobi is the broken engine, the broken mount is a GMC
22:34 GuShH some carbs will come apart easily
22:34 GuShH others will have the gaskets stuck and may break apart...
22:34 GuShH others have access ports for the fuel strainers
22:35 GuShH you need to lose that fear and take it all apart to find out what's wrong :p
22:35 GuShH it's already broken.
22:35 Jak_o_Shadows haha, yeah.
22:35 GuShH recoils often seem to die, haven't had one fail personally (yet) but the dead motor I bought had a missing recoil..
22:36 GuShH trying to think how to replace it with something more durable
22:36 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, it was just stuck. Course, the flywheel/crankshaft still doesn't rotate entirely smoothly, but is that normal?
22:36 GuShH nope
22:37 GuShH so it's inline with the flywheel
22:37 GuShH this one has it at the back, much easier to deal with
22:37 GuShH see if the flywheel key is not broken
22:37 GuShH that would turn the timing way off and make it impossible to run
22:37 GuShH basically sheared from excess torque, odd because often the clutch just slips
22:38 GuShH it's a 2 shoe one probably
22:38 GuShH tiny toys :p
22:38 GuShH nothing should touch anything.
22:38 GuShH except for the clutch, when it's rotating at speed heh
22:38 GuShH I often get "ding ding" from one of my chainsaws, but that IS normal.
22:38 GuShH just a little play in the drive sprocket
22:39 GuShH So, these cylinders are not lined with iron or anything, just a type of chrome coating.... I need to bore it down and press fit a sleeve of some sort
22:40 GuShH (they're not really worth the effort, but I figure it's a good machining exercise)
22:40 GuShH It's junk already.
22:42 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah. Um, the flywheel and the output shaft are basically joined.
22:46 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: ?
22:46 GuShH yeah but it could still have slipped if the key broke
22:47 Faek Should have taken photos
22:47 GuShH Faek: shoulda coulda woulda, your three best friends.
22:48 GuShH that in turn shifts the timing, so it won't fire when it should
22:48 GuShH plus it should move without touching anything
22:48 Jak_o_Shadows Fairly similar to http://www.ereplacementparts.com/ryobi-ry29550-string-trimmer-parts-c-7931_15633_15647.html The cowling's different, but I think that's about it
22:49 GuShH they're all pretty much the same
22:49 GuShH the dead one I have not only requires new cylinder, rings and possibly a piston, but also new bearings
22:50 GuShH they probably "straight gassed" it
22:50 GuShH but, it was cheap. I can sell the ignition coil for more.
22:52 GuShH wtf electric starter... why do you even need that
22:52 GuShH it's heavy and useless
22:52 GuShH are people in your country that lazy?
22:53 GuShH here's the reasoning "I can start it by pressing a button!" here's the reality "my back hurts, I carried extra weight for the benefit of not pulling a cord for 2 seconds"
22:54 GuShH marketing says "now disabled people can trim as well!" reality says "if they can't push a cord, they can't possibly lift and carry that shit around for half an hour"
22:54 Jak_o_Shadows Pretty silly yeah.
22:54 GuShH gimmicks
22:55 GuShH more moving parts, more failure points
22:55 GuShH seems to be the same engine mine has
22:55 GuShH minus the displacement difference
22:58 GuShH http://www.mitutoyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2057_MDH_Mic.pdf
22:58 GuShH that's better than porn
23:00 GuShH that's probably 1-2k a pop
23:00 Jak_o_Shadows I should look up the model of that engine i'm looking at
23:00 GuShH maybe in 10 years that'll be the standard resolution / accuracy for chinese ones
23:02 GuShH zzzz