#robotics Logs
Jul 20 2013
#robotics Calendar
00:04 Jak_o_Shadows Tried it once. Difficult.
00:04 GuShH holy crap, henry ford supported hitler?
00:04 GuShH as in, he even lended him money?
00:05 Jak_o_Shadows Also, would a servo go ok being put in a freezer? I need to get some hot glue off
00:05 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: then you can't use solidworks either
00:05 GuShH not ideal, condensation inside
00:05 GuShH and the little IC in there is not rated for those temperatures either
00:05 Jak_o_Shadows Hmph. I need to get some hot-glue off
00:06 Jak_o_Shadows Also, i found it difficult more because of lack of documentation
00:06 GuShH MrCurious: what's up with FreeCAD?
00:06 MrCurious investigating it
00:06 GuShH hm... but if you come from a CAD background, it's more of the same
00:06 GuShH there's a series of video tuts you can follow
00:06 MrCurious yeah. reading about it now. site is slow
00:06 R0b0t1 I remember using something called BerylCAD or something
00:06 GuShH meh
00:06 R0b0t1 it was pretty good, albeit had absolutely no UI
00:06 GuShH MrCurious: they're on youtube
00:07 MrCurious my kid is in vegas, got stuck in an elevator for 40 minutes
00:07 MrCurious got a bunch of free stuff
00:07 GuShH sue?
00:07 GuShH heh
00:07 GuShH did he get a free escort
00:07 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: pretty much every CAD package is going to be hard unless you understand the concept behind
00:08 GuShH It's also quite boring to setup constraints, etc. but they exist for a good reason.
00:08 Jak_o_Shadows Oh, i cope well enough in inventor and creo (more so in creo), but I found it hard to parametize stuff like I normally do
00:08 GuShH the better defined your drawings are, the more flexible things are.
00:08 MrCurious free drinks for his stay, 150 in free food
00:08 MrCurious other stuff
00:08 GuShH heh
00:09 GuShH MrCurious: so, how did he manage to get the elevator stuck?
00:09 GuShH :p
00:09 MrCurious thats the BIGGEST vegas win i have ever seen
00:09 GuShH but inventor is not free, the other one I on't know about.
00:09 MrCurious no idea
00:09 Jak_o_Shadows Creo is from PTC, catia?
00:09 GuShH "the arduino controlling the elevator had a problem with it's tupperware, we're sorry here's 150 for food"
00:10 MrCurious causative left....
00:10 GuShH yes
00:10 GuShH he didn't want to come back
00:10 MrCurious i miss him already
00:10 GuShH how come?
00:10 MrCurious like a foot ball
00:10 MrCurious fun to kick around...
00:11 MrCurious telling us off
00:13 GuShH heh
00:18 GuShH MrCurious: http://freecad-tutorial.blogspot.com.ar/
00:22 MrCurious librecad!
00:22 GuShH huh
00:23 RifRaf openscad
00:23 GuShH are you telling me these retards already forked into "libre" bullshit version
00:23 MrCurious librecad is a 2d cad thats free
00:24 GuShH bleh
00:24 GuShH it's not so much the software ya know
00:33 RifRaf MrCurious, was it you with the triple extruder?
00:33 MrCurious nope
00:33 RifRaf hrm
00:33 GuShH RifRaf: the one that never worked properly?
00:34 RifRaf yes
00:34 GuShH yeah, no clue who that was.
00:34 ShH
00:34 RifRaf heh\
00:35 RifRaf this reprap here is much nicer after a service and realignment, was scimping on the lube a bit i think, is gliding now
00:36 GuShH lube 'er up
00:36 GuShH you should see the inside of my wood lathe... there's grease and oil everywhere each time I open it up for a cleanup, but at least it runs good.
00:39 RifRaf scored a nice printer at garage sales this morn, old but has film scanner
00:39 RifRaf canon mp800
00:39 RifRaf weighs heaps so must have some goodness in it
00:40 GuShH or dead mice inside
00:41 RifRaf nope all worked till i did headclean, and now wants new ink, but got 12 cartridges for $20 so will be set for a while
00:42 RifRaf i mainly want the scanner, and have had no printer here for ages now, so will be handy, sucks writing everything down
00:45 RifRaf well i could print but only in 3d :)
00:46 RifRaf Jak_o_Shadows, have you dome any real life lifting with the arm yet?
00:46 RifRaf done*
00:46 Jak_o_Shadows Nah. I just redid the attachments, they won't fall off anymore
00:47 Jak_o_Shadows I also made provisions for a counterweight on one section.
00:50 RifRaf counterweights can make things heavy
00:50 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah. Could also do a spring I suppose
00:50 RifRaf i know rue likes em but it does double the weight for the servos below
00:51 Jak_o_Shadows I also added a wrist yaw joint
00:51 RifRaf cool
00:55 rue_house you can counter the forces ont eh servos below too
00:55 rue_house its really easy
00:56 RifRaf have a servo example to show rue?
00:56 rue_house yes
00:57 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, you put more force on the axle, but if you have that done properly (which I don't really), it works out nicer
00:57 Jak_o_Shadows Suppose it would also make it have more intertia
00:57 rue_house http://www.adclp.com/Capabilities/ABB2.jpg
00:58 RifRaf Jak_o_Shadows, adding a support opposing the servo horn to the other side of the servo helps support things alot
00:58 RifRaf like in the arm i made last
00:58 rue_house http://www.globalrobotsusa.com/images/ABBpics/IRB-6400R_195.jpg
00:58 rue_house see the cylinders?
00:58 rue_house http://www.globalrobotsusa.com/images/ABB-IRB-6000-Painted-S3-Robot.jpg
00:59 rue_house the cylinders on the side, they aren't hydraulics
00:59 Jak_o_Shadows Outside my capabilities for the moment, but yeah, would be more ideal
00:59 rue_house they are heavy duty springs
00:59 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/264909
00:59 rue_house they are springs
00:59 RifRaf rue_house, i meant hobby servos
01:00 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm4/p1010990.jpg
01:00 RifRaf of course its easy when you have mega torque motors
01:00 rue_house springs that work just like that
01:00 rue_house no, those ABB robots are BALANCED
01:00 rue_house just like that robot I made
01:00 rue_house see how as te arm goes lower the springs stretch more?
01:01 rue_house with almost no force from the springs at the top?
01:01 RifRaf but that strain has to go somewhere
01:01 rue_house those things on the ABB robots aren't hydraulics, they are springs
01:01 rue_house its counterbalanced by the springs
01:02 rue_house look at it carefully and think on it
01:02 GuShH I could use one of those robot arms in the bathroom
01:02 RifRaf ok, but thats all very heavy for a tiny arm with hobby servos
01:02 GuShH auto-wipe
01:02 rue_house http://www.globalrobotsusa.com/images/ABB-IRB-6000-Painted-S3-Robot.jpg
01:02 rue_house see in the backghround
01:02 rue_house see the counterweight for the upper arm is moved down by the linkage?
01:02 GuShH springs come in all shapes and sizes
01:03 rue_house I think the cylinders on the abb robots are pneumatic 'springs'
01:03 rue_house pre-presurized
01:03 rue_house you wont find any hoses to them
01:04 GuShH 20k for a used one...
01:04 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm4/p1010990.jpg <-- oh look I made one!
01:04 rue_house :)
01:04 rue_house I should paint it orange and put "RUE" on the side
01:04 GuShH what's it's purpose?
01:05 Jak_o_Shadows ATX power supply fan starts spinning up faster. Must be drawing more current. Turn it off fast
01:05 rue_house to learn about building completely counterbalanced arms
01:05 RifRaf i saw that
01:05 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: so get some tension springs from the hardware store?
01:06 GuShH they'll let you play with 'em if you ask nicely
01:06 rue_house or even old laser printers
01:06 GuShH but they're cheap
01:07 RifRaf that stupid bunnings place has em too if you are lazy
01:07 GuShH I got some compression springs for the lathe steady rest the other day, had the clerk hand me their "small size spring box" so I could sort through... It's hard to explain what you want when it's all in your head and you haven't got anything written down. Of course I got one size too small, but I already replaced them.
01:08 GuShH they cost the same and they don't even check them when you return them heh
01:08 GuShH they buy them for a fraction of a cent I bet
01:09 rue_house http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/add011c6-64eb-11df-aa4d-00144feab49a.img
01:09 rue_house on some models they actaully use springs
01:09 GuShH why is the chubby guy so happy?
01:09 rue_house hes controlling the robot
01:10 GuShH so?
01:10 GuShH what's that a kindle stuck in a fisher prize box
01:10 GuShH fisherprice*
01:14 RifRaf looks like an emergency stop button on the front with the smiley face
01:15 GuShH http://www.globalrobots.ae/robot_guide/images/ABB-S4-Teach-Pendant.jpg
01:16 RifRaf neat toys
01:17 GuShH The big red tjomg is the "honey I killed the kids" button
01:17 GuShH thing* darn, fingers went somewhere else.
01:17 GuShH serves me for not watching
01:18 RifRaf yes been there
01:18 GuShH all of a sudden you're writing in terrorist language
01:18 RifRaf almost lost me hand earlier this year
01:18 GuShH oh?
01:19 RifRaf got it stuck in the tool changer, trying the clean some shit of bit before it went back, should not have tryed a second time
01:19 RifRaf it bit me
01:19 GuShH cnc?
01:20 RifRaf when spindle went back out could not believe me hand was still in one bit, broke some small bones and lots of briusing
01:20 GuShH ugh
01:20 RifRaf yes me router at work, has a rack with 18 tools, and it moves fast at times
01:29 RifRaf GuShH, have done a bit of damage a few times on me lathe as well, you learn from it though :)
01:29 RifRaf have you made anything yet??
01:30 GuShH RifRaf: haven't built it yet
01:30 GuShH I caught my thumb on the wood lathe once
01:30 RifRaf wat the?
01:31 RifRaf it should be sitting on a bench of watever making things, not having a stand is no excuse
01:31 RifRaf i visited my lathe yesterday
01:31 RifRaf poor thing, needs to come home
01:31 GuShH I don't have a bench for it either.
01:32 RifRaf so wat, i used a fat plank to start
01:32 GuShH and even if I finished the stand, there's no place for the stand yet
01:32 RifRaf then drill holes in my bench
01:32 GuShH I'm cleaning up the garage as I can
01:32 RifRaf ok
01:33 GuShH I would've brought it upstairs, but I don't know anyone capable of helping me with that.
01:33 RifRaf yes they are awkward bastards to move, or else it would be here
01:34 GuShH It's the bed and the spindle alone now, the rest of the parts were left upstairs on a desk
01:34 RifRaf i used to have it in my loungeroom next to the 6 foot fishtank
01:35 GuShH I wonder if that's possible after you get married
01:35 RifRaf was always expecting something to smash the glass but was all good
01:35 RifRaf maybe not :)
01:55 Jak_o_Shadows Well, my arm can lift 100g
01:59 RifRaf and do what with it?
02:01 RifRaf 100g sounds pretty good
02:01 Jak_o_Shadows rotate, move it and stuff
02:02 Jak_o_Shadows The base is flimsy, the gripper is flimsy, but apart from that, it's good
02:05 GuShH Bah, so how do these lottery tickets work in reality, do I have to have all the numbers in order? heh
02:06 RifRaf it can extend the arm and lift it as well?
02:06 GuShH If not, I won $60 I think
02:06 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah.
02:07 RifRaf thats cool then, you have the atx powering it now?
02:07 RifRaf hope you won GuShH
02:07 GuShH it's just 60 if I won...
02:07 GuShH the bet was 15 bucks... meh, this sucks.
02:07 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, definitely, the 20V .4A power supply wasn't cutting it
02:07 GuShH I don't usually gamble
02:07 RifRaf is your $ like ours?
02:08 GuShH but the grand prize was like 60 mil
02:08 RifRaf yes we try at work each week, $15 from our pay
02:08 GuShH so I got 4 numbers and 1 "jack", but still that's like pennies.
02:08 RifRaf never seem to win much but
02:08 RifRaf you'd think that you would have a chance with lots of people
02:08 GuShH hmm yeah, played this one with someone else.
02:09 GuShH I once ran stadistics based on all the available results
02:10 RifRaf gamlbling is a no hope game mainly, and glad to avoid it these days
02:10 GuShH got pretty much perfect distribution
02:10 GuShH I never stepped into a casino
02:10 GuShH don't play poker or anything really.
02:10 RifRaf i love casinos
02:10 RifRaf here gambling is a major thing
02:10 GuShH heh
02:10 RifRaf bigger than vegas
02:10 GuShH do you have a floating casino?
02:11 GuShH we do... but still, never been to any.
02:11 RifRaf we have poker machines in every pub and club. many
02:11 GuShH must be easy to get rid of people, just throw them out.
02:11 GuShH now, the rules for this game are rather annoying.
02:12 GuShH if you have 6 matching numbers, in order, you win the grand prize. you may have 4 matching numbers, and you win the equivalent of pocket lint.
02:12 RifRaf yep, you need to behave in the real casinos, but had fun last time, gave me daughter and her bf $50 each
02:12 RifRaf and they made $500 each on roulette
02:12 GuShH nice
02:12 GuShH I never dared to step into one and play roulette
02:12 RifRaf its good when you get it, a few times in a row
02:13 GuShH can you just play odd or even and colour?
02:13 GuShH or are you forced to bet on something else
02:13 RifRaf sure but thats no fun, i do about 5 or so numbers
02:13 RifRaf you can bet on almost anything
02:13 GuShH well, the odds are higher but the winnings are lower
02:14 RifRaf some just go and lay out $5000 in chips all over the place and hope for the best, seen em win and lose
02:14 GuShH the only time I won one of these lotteries it was $2 and I used it to buy another one... so that right there tells me I shouldn't step into any casino.
02:15 GuShH I think there are more illegal casinos than legal ones here
02:16 RifRaf all legal here, you can walk into just about anywhere any lose upto 1000 an hour in poker machines
02:17 GuShH what is it with you guys and gambling? heh
02:17 RifRaf i avoid the pub even these days cause i know wat i am like
02:17 GuShH Hey if you want to get drunk, it's cheaper and safer to do it at home.
02:17 GuShH May I add, smarter.
02:17 RifRaf indeed
02:18 RifRaf as i am now, had a good morning out though, good food and some nice bargains
02:18 RifRaf looks like the snow is staying away for today, am too pissed to get there now anyway
02:19 GuShH lol
02:19 GuShH to get there "safely"
02:19 RifRaf yep
02:28 R0b0t1 Around here casinos are banned but not gambling boats.
02:28 R0b0t1 So they create a lake and put a boat in it.
02:28 R0b0t1 (the lake is barely larger than the boat)
02:29 GuShH http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2011/10/sociedad/1026_casino_flotante_g.jpg_1735720609.jpg
02:29 GuShH our floating casino
02:29 GuShH yeah, not sure what's the deal legally speaking
02:30 GuShH it's just a friggin boat http://www.welcomeargentina.com/casinos/galeria/casino-flotante.jpg
02:33 MrCurious http://sourceforge.net/projects/avrcnc/
02:42 RifRaf thats funny, so all is well because its not touching the land?
02:56 MrCurious tomorrow is just your future yesterday
03:00 RifRaf today is the first day of the rest of your life
03:00 Jak_o_Shadows well, it's hailing
03:01 RifRaf nice i hope it spreads north
03:02 RifRaf decent size or just peas?
03:02 RifRaf they promised icy cold but still have not got me heater on
03:03 Jak_o_Shadows yeah, tiny
03:03 RifRaf have made the best bacon bone and veggie soup though, on 3rd bowl
03:47 GuShH tehBear is now zeBear
03:56 GuShH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGyoMuE4gDQ
03:57 R0b0t1 I always found those to be pretty fragile
03:58 GuShH the bearings?
03:59 GuShH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGytW_C6hR8
04:00 GuShH I guess that's the british version
04:01 R0b0t1 Yeah
04:01 R0b0t1 I mean, guess they're just as fragile as any other bearing
04:01 R0b0t1 might've been issues with loading
04:07 GuShh_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zO9nWgI_LY
04:07 GuShh_ are those available to the public? jee
04:25 R0b0t1 Everything is available to the public for the most part
10:11 Tom_L http://www.electronicproducts.com/Optoelectronics/Lasers/Atomic_clock_uses_lasers_to_change_the_length_of_one_second.aspx
10:14 Tom_itx http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/SoCs_ASICs_ASSPs_MEMS/Researchers_create_liquid_metal_structures_using_3D_printer.aspx
10:14 theBear they created terminator 2 !?!?!?! waaaahhhh
10:14 eBear h
10:15 Tom_itx science fiction = reality in 10 yrs
10:16 theBear and that movie is WAY older than 10 years !
10:16 moriarty wow noob central
10:16 theBear hangon, didn't you get banned last week ?
10:19 moriarty your mum got banhammered last week
10:19 theBear pfft
10:20 moriarty lawl
12:02 MrCurious not a very restful sleep
13:13 rue_shop2 Tom_itx: Hey, would you please be able to tell me what program you use for the u2 board?
13:36 MrCurious quad stepper driver terminals came... soldering time!
13:37 MrCurious who likes soldering!
13:39 theBear does the pope wear half a beanie ?
13:42 MrCurious isnt that a homage to the jewish roots of the church?
13:42 MrCurious or like most old men, he has the baldness...
13:43 theBear it's a way of saying yes, i like soldering
13:46 MrCurious oh
13:49 MrCurious this stepper driver has a bus for step, dir, and enable, but not for the ms1,ms2,ms3, reset, slp pins that i actually want on a bus
14:14 MrCurious hah! a image search on Quadstepper leads to my robot pic
14:21 MrCurious when i don't need ribbon cable, i have lots of ribbon cable. when i need ribbon cable, i have none.
14:27 Curious remembers wisdom of youth.... never play with legos while eating french fries. errors will happe
15:32 GuShH MrCurious: likewise don't be drinking coffee while greasing something up... errors will happen.
15:32 GuShH I once almost drank from the grease pot.
15:33 GuShH Hmmm our first 3d animated movie is doing well, has kind of crappy sound, poor sync and the composition is meh
15:33 GuShH I can't remember how many millions they invested on it
15:33 GuShH I do remember they couldn't get the servers out of customs
15:33 GuShH Yeah we can't even render a few frames without the grubmint shoving a stick up our ass
15:35 GuShH Only shadowed during the first 24hs by Monsters University heh
15:38 GuShH Tom_itx: how reliable / durable are those "formed" wires?
15:38 GuShH do they have to be encapsulated or otherwise they become mush with a shock?
15:39 GuShH it's just like printing with UV adhesive, but with metal... neat
15:45 GuShH Tom_itx: I couldn't find anything about temperature and how it affects the structure, as in passing enough current would heat up the allow and possibly dissolve the structure (I think) but I saw no mention of that, of course they're for low current applications but I'm wondering
15:45 GuShH allow/alloy
15:46 GuShH They just keep mentioning "room temperature" but nothing about the operating characteristics
15:56 GuShH http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/index_table/indextable-e.htm
16:04 robotustra lego french fries
16:05 GuShH robotustra: http://s497.photobucket.com/user/Q-Djah/media/fun/Lego-version-french-fries.jpg.html
17:05 MrCurious well, this day is fast becoming a wash
17:05 Tom_itx squeaky clean?
17:06 MrCurious not quite
17:21 rue_house I got a flare tool
17:22 rue_house it dosn't have a clamp for the 1/8" line I got for a gas pressure guage, but I think I can poke one in
17:22 rue_house hah, its not a flare fitting anyhow
17:22 rue_house its compression
17:22 rue_house cool
17:28 GuShH rue_house: is that rodalco-something-something channel on youtube yours?
17:28 GuShH RODALCO2007
17:29 rue_house no
17:31 Tom_itx he wishes
17:31 GuShH I asked because of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR6gHEuNcVE
17:34 rue_house the speed is insane because ther eis almost no field strength, which means theres no torque eiter
17:35 GuShH Well you said you were making one, and then I saw that... it looked similar to me (although I didn't pay a lot of attention to the picture you posted)
17:50 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/motor/p1050280.jpg
17:50 rue_house I made mine from scratch
19:06 MrCurious the day got way more productive!
19:09 robotustra not for me
19:10 MrCurious oil change, haircut, picked up some pcb, done some soldering
19:21 GuShH MrCurious: you didn't actually do most of those things, someone else did for you
19:21 MrCurious its more a todo list of things you dont want to do thing
19:33 ShH slaps MrCur
19:33 GuShH robotustra: you spent most of the day playing UT?
19:41 R0b0t1 Oooh unreal tournament?
19:41 R0b0t1 I still play UT2004 sometimes
19:42 R0b0t1 People are still making mods for it ... :|
19:47 GuShH R0b0t1: people are still playing CS1.6
19:47 GuShH Quake3
19:47 GuShH MoHAA etc...
19:47 GuShH mostly old farts
19:48 GuShH UT2004 was newer than UT3?
19:49 robotustra GuShH: no, I spend 2 hours in shops and other time - continuum
19:50 GuShH the series?
19:50 GuShH shes hawt.
20:38 GuShH robotustra: you think there's obsolescence built into most tools these days?
20:42 robotustra ещ ыщьу учеуте
20:42 robotustra to some extent
20:42 GuShH what
20:43 robotustra most of people does not need hi tech
20:43 GuShH But there's clear lack of quality and then purposely designed to fail.
20:43 GuShH I can totally see it on washing machines for instance
20:43 GuShH But on tools all I see is either bad or good quality
20:43 robotustra or your lathe
20:44 GuShH The lathe is fine.
20:44 GuShH There's nothing in it built to fail after a waranty period
20:44 robotustra you know, europeen washing machines - do washing a drying of closes
20:44 GuShH Not sure about the mini mills, since they use regular bearings on the spindle.
20:44 GuShH You mean they have a drying cycle... yes... that's nothing new
20:45 robotustra but here in US - washing machines are separate from dryers and they ARE BAD
20:45 GuShH Most of the appliances we use are european
20:45 GuShH The current one I have uses air to dry, not very good
20:45 robotustra what washing machine do you have?
20:45 GuShH it's a gimmick. The previous one had proper coils
20:45 GuShH an LG, don't make me recall the model
20:45 GuShH it's an insane model number and there are no parts for it.
20:45 robotustra try Indesit
20:45 robotustra and speack after
20:45 GuShH They have obsolescence everywhere
20:45 robotustra speak
20:46 GuShH After a year the drain filter dissolved, they give you no inlet filter, just a tiny mesh that breaks off when you try to remove it
20:46 robotustra nobody from industry or monopoly wants innovations
20:46 GuShH The entire water inlet system is meant to fail
20:46 GuShH But people buy them because they have cute sounds when you press a button.
20:46 GuShH Now adays they have WIFI...
20:47 GuShH But they can barely wash a towel
20:47 GuShH Pieces of shit.
20:47 GuShH I'm glad I kept the old sanyo washer, I just need to replace the inlet solenoids and some other stuff, it's way better than anything I could buy now adays
20:47 GuShH Except for some old industrial machine, but where would I put that?
20:47 ShH likes industrial s
20:48 GuShH it's not about the looks, it's about the function.
20:48 GuShH Whereas consumer crap is all about the looks, not about the function.
20:48 robotustra true
20:48 GuShH robotustra: so why exactly is a seprate drier used in the US?
20:48 GuShH To sell you two things, I guess
20:48 GuShH they look exactly the same, but one only dries.
20:49 robotustra because of the same reason - obsolete technology + to rob people
20:49 Jak_o_Shadows Drier's in AUS are generally seperate
20:49 GuShH And they can't even run them off their shitty 110, they need a separate circuit set to 220... just for that.
20:49 robotustra they take money twice,
20:49 Jak_o_Shadows You also generally don't use them too much if you have space for a clothes line. Also, 240V
20:49 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: I thought AUS was nominal 230
20:49 GuShH did they go up again
20:50 GuShH do you have that poor of an infrastructure you need to keep raising your voltage? heh
20:50 GuShH Or is it just to be more manly than others "we has moar voltage"
20:50 Jak_o_Shadows Haha. Maybe nominal 230, i've always thought of it as 240
20:50 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: In some places a clothes line is seen as a "poor man's" way of drying clothes
20:50 Jak_o_Shadows We don't need higher voltage for that.
20:50 GuShH Not here, but I've heard about it
20:51 GuShH I'd say both methods tend to ruin your clothes if you over do it
20:51 Jak_o_Shadows Don't you need to clean out driers? They're a decently common cause of house fires
20:51 GuShH The sun will wash off your colours, the drier will pretty much begin to burn the fabric if you over do it
20:51 GuShH Yeah they have a filter
20:51 robotustra my spindle is 220V
20:51 Jak_o_Shadows In australia, fading is going to happen anyway
20:52 GuShH heh
20:52 robotustra and I use transformer
20:52 GuShH Was it in Australia... the dirt tshirts...
20:52 robotustra I have 220V 60Hz
20:52 GuShH Or Hawaii
20:53 GuShH http://www.dirtshirt.com/
20:53 GuShH yeah the latter.
20:53 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, nominally 230V since 1983, but 240V is within the range.
20:53 GuShH I actually like the colour, never seen them for sale.
20:54 GuShH They just take white shirts, spin 'em in a drum with water and their local soil.... then dry, iron and sell
20:54 GuShH >_<
20:55 GuShH http://dirtshirt.com/image/data/Mike-Glenna-Randy-at-the-Red-Dirt-Dye-House.jpg you can see the spatter on the walls, looks like a sad accident but no.
20:56 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: I can easily dry just about anything in the boiler room, it's about 30-40°C during all winter, on summer I can just use a clothes line... Dries most things in about an hour or two.
20:57 GuShH So really, no need to waste gas or electricity on drying clothes
20:58 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah. In England, they're having a heat wave.
20:58 Jak_o_Shadows 30C
20:58 GuShH that's like super hot for them brits?
20:58 GuShH try 40-45 for most of the summer in lots of places being normal heh
20:58 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah. Funny thing is, cricket's going on over there, and all the Australians over there are probably loving it
21:05 GuShH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdoJy8rzZg
21:05 GuShH bah I wanted more about the tools, less about the asian playing with the suit
21:53 zhanx so thinking after tonight i am getting busted in rank
21:58 Tom_itx screw up?
21:58 theBear you one of those outlaw cops that took the law into his own hands and now captain mahoney gonna chew you out and bust your rank ?
22:02 zhanx i kind up screwed up with my mouth
22:02 zhanx cussed out someone who out ranks me
22:02 zhanx badly cussed them out
22:03 Tom_itx words
22:03 Tom_itx sorta depends who else is watching
22:04 zhanx all nco's also but he took one step to me and i took 3 to him to stare him down etc
22:04 zhanx i was not happy
22:04 zhanx had tons of things to do, my wife is prego, he wanted us to stay late no reason after a week of 16 hour days
22:04 zhanx i was mad
22:05 zhanx so i vented on him for 45 minutes and broke a steel pipe instead of him
22:05 zhanx but now its my birthday
22:06 Tom_itx so did you stay?
22:07 zhanx nope i left after a direct order to stay
22:07 zhanx i punched in a wall locker and said i am fucking leaving
22:07 Tom_itx well that won't get overlooked
22:08 zhanx wasn't him i arguing
22:11 ace4016 you're a loose cannon McClain!
22:12 theBear hehe
22:12 zhanx i am
22:12 zhanx i know i will break 3 knuckles and still break a brick wall
22:14 GuShH zhanx: May I suggest you quit juicing?
22:15 zhanx quit at 29
22:16 ace4016 heh, you'd need a camomile and lavander collar for zhanx :P
22:17 ace4016 maybe a sedative for good luck
22:17 GuShH horse trank
22:17 GuShH How did I end up watching a video of a dude opening up a parmesan cheese after watching some NASA videos?
22:18 ShH could eat the whole cheese... but he may not poop ever a
22:18 ace4016 lol
22:18 ace4016 you'd poop...they'd just turn out as bricks
22:19 GuShH ballistic bricks heh
22:19 theBear why did he eat cheese after watching nasa videos ? :)
22:19 GuShH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL6vP4eDmEQ
22:19 GuShH CHANNEL CHEESE TV
22:19 theBear and bears are special, we can eat kgs of cheese without issues
22:19 theBear and lots of horse tranquilizers too
22:19 GuShH No, I think that's just you.
22:20 theBear i could do with some right now
22:20 GuShH Also the sedative and the cheese may be cancelling each other out
22:20 theBear heck, horse ones ain't strong enough, i need bear tranquilizers, heavy ones, like dartgun strength
22:20 theBear lol
22:20 GuShH I need some of what zhanx has been injecting into his penis.
22:21 GuShH So I can flip over a couple cars, chew on a mains water pipe and fart supersonic squirrels against the polize
22:22 GuShH zhanx: I have just the solution to all your problems, head over to the office of the "american" reality tv series and pitch your story, wait a week and begin to shoot your drama-queen life story so others can see it.
22:23 GuShH Or apply as an actor for the Black Gold series. Your choice.
22:23 GuShH zhanx: waiting for a girl or a boy?
22:24 zhanx i hope a boy
22:24 GuShH what if it's a girl?
22:24 zhanx i own guns
22:24 GuShH so what
22:24 GuShH the boy could turn out gay for all we know
22:24 theBear black and gold make series now ? i thought they just made like, generic paper towels and canned foods
22:24 zhanx your right its the eyes
22:25 Jak_o_Shadows haha bear
22:25 GuShH zhanx: are you basically a volunteer or what I'd call a conscript...
22:25 zhanx a volunteer
22:25 GuShH I think you both are at fault for letting your personal life get in between your line of work, whoever got in your way and you for reacting.
22:26 zhanx but GuShH that conversion on the scare people. its the eyes i was told
22:26 GuShH Gotta know what his story was...
22:26 zhanx he is a scared pussy, next story
22:26 GuShH lol
22:26 GuShH Yeah ask theBear about the eyes.
22:27 zhanx i am 6'5" 255 pound paratrooper, and really all i want to do is build robots
22:27 theBear after enough years of practice, they all you need, NOONE will fuck with you, no matter how much you try to encourage them, no matter how much you use a walkin stick
22:27 GuShH Yeah they throw you out with 2 chutes and a rocket up your arse for good measure.
22:27 GuShH We may look constipated (cheese overdose?), but people don't usually want to mess with us!
22:27 zhanx theBear, remeber i kill for a living
22:27 theBear i could do with a rocket in my ass today
22:27 GuShH OK?
22:28 GuShH We may have different definitions on that one
22:28 zhanx theBear, umm tmi
22:28 theBear zhanx, and ? i've been paid to hurt people... it's nothing special
22:28 theBear well i figure it's like putting a rocket on the back of a skateboard, only, you don't need the skateboard
22:28 zhanx theBear, hurt is easy as finishing
22:28 GuShH zhanx: so do the bug fumigation guys
22:28 GuShH they kill for a living.
22:29 theBear i never been part of a state funded institution, this is public, i say hurt, and that's all i say
22:29 zhanx GuShH, wish you could walk a minute through my memories
22:29 theBear but i still don't see your point
22:29 GuShH zhanx: You don't know if I was born with or without remorse
22:30 zhanx i was born with out it
22:30 GuShH Or whether I'd give 7 flying dicks about someone trying to kill me
22:30 GuShH You think twice, you're gone.
22:30 zhanx 7 flying dicks is a porno
22:30 GuShH theBear: Yeah that's more or less the idea of the rocket, or it could be mexican food going the other way
22:30 GuShH Is it?
22:30 GuShH Just about everything is a porno.
22:30 zhanx think so
22:30 theBear zhanx, you worried about your memories, you aint without remorse
22:31 zhanx no i am not
22:31 GuShH You were not forced to do any of it.
22:31 GuShH Your choice. Live with it.
22:31 zhanx no i liked it
22:31 GuShH That's even worse.
22:31 theBear you think you screwed up at work, you aint born without remorse
22:31 theBear you boast about owning guns, you ARE a sissy
22:31 zhanx nope
22:31 zhanx i box for a reason
22:32 GuShH As your psychiatrist, I'm concerned.
22:32 theBear cos yer insecure abotu your toughness
22:32 ShH puts on the glasses and his v-neck swe
22:32 zhanx guns are my job, personally i use my hands
22:32 ShH begins to draw a hairy penis on his sketch
22:32 zhanx ok i am
22:32 GuShH Tell me more about your childhood
22:32 ShH idly draws the v
22:32 theBear good, this is how the healing begins
22:32 zhanx i was beaten alot
22:32 GuShH Which took you to substance abuse
22:33 ShH draws some more h
22:33 zhanx no
22:33 theBear where i only abuse substances because i enjoy it...
22:33 GuShH theBear: I swear this is all they do, they draw a dick while you foolishly talk about yourself
22:33 zhanx i was beaten for not being good enough
22:33 GuShH OH
22:33 zhanx fyi months in therapy for this
22:33 GuShH Now I know why shrinks exist
22:33 theBear alcahol goes a little both ways, it's mostly for enjoyment, but also to try and forget how much i hate the world i live in
22:33 theBear MONTHS !?!?!? you fucking sissy !
22:33 GuShH Because EVERYONE is a friggin egotistical dipshit
22:33 GuShH They LOVE attention
22:33 zhanx yep
22:34 theBear i been in therapy for many years and i'm still fucking disturbed
22:34 GuShH They don't fix you
22:34 GuShH They take your money and they keep you on a leash
22:34 zhanx theBear, i am like on year 8
22:34 zhanx still months
22:34 theBear you said months
22:34 GuShH If you were to see how they live, they've got more problems than you do.
22:34 GuShH Every shrink I've known was divorced and had lots of issues.
22:34 theBear pffft, you starting to sound like someone who says things that may not be accurate.... i'm starting to find a lot of what you say hard ot believe
22:35 theBear i've known some good shrinks, one i used to go to his home to see, both my most recent ones have healthy relationships with nice wives
22:35 GuShH theBear: maybe he's another basement cat?, don't know...
22:35 zhanx theBear, you learn to hide things after months and months of crap of touchy feelly
22:35 GuShH theBear: what you don't see are the 23 emos they've got chained up the attic
22:35 ShH g
22:35 zhanx why did you pull the trigger 8 times instead of 6
22:35 zhanx etc
22:36 GuShH Why would you need 6 when 1 is all it takes
22:36 GuShH You are not good enough.
22:36 theBear zhanx, yeah, but i don't say things that aren't true or accurate because of it, that's a sign of other problems
22:36 ShH turns into skinner's
22:36 theBear GuShH, hehe, i seen 'em, i just don't care for emos :)
22:36 zhanx cause you dumb bitch there were 9 of them wearing armor etc
22:37 zhanx and they get mad
22:37 theBear pffft, relax, you don't gotta prove yer tough, we really don't care
22:37 GuShH I feel sorry for the kid you are about to have
22:37 zhanx same here
22:37 GuShH As you will abuse it as you've been abused
22:37 zhanx no i will now
22:37 GuShH And the story will repeat, on and on.
22:37 zhanx not really but i think i will go to far the wrong end
22:37 theBear until one of them meets someone like me
22:37 GuShH Time to let everyone know you are gay, quit hiding it. I think that's your problem.
22:38 ShH chuc
22:38 zhanx my wife will beat me no thanks
22:38 GuShH haha
22:38 zhanx she already said if i act out again she is taking my soldering iron from me
22:38 MrCurious beer time
22:38 theBear hehe, this zhanx guy cracks me up
22:38 zhanx (i bought an extra one today)
22:39 zhanx theBear, wait and see if you ever meet me in person i am plain stupid crazy
22:40 GuShH Recently on the news a couple truckers were found "doing it" problem is, they got .... stuck.
22:40 GuShH The fire department guys couldn't stop laughing.
22:40 GuShH And the guy's wife wasn't very happy either.
22:40 theBear so ? i'm plain smart crazy... you gotta stop saying irrelevant stuff you think will scare us cos yer insecure... it doesn't work on us
22:40 theBear GuShH, err, you can get stuck ?
22:41 GuShH Between a man and a woman I've read about it
22:41 zhanx theBear, weird
22:41 GuShH Between to guys, I didn't know it was possible.
22:41 GuShH Dogs, sure.... that's part of their mating. That's what the knot is for
22:41 GuShH to/two
22:41 theBear GuShH, i don't see a big difference... how the fuck does it happen with a man and a woman ? and yeah, i know how dogs work
22:41 zhanx GuShH, watch more porn
22:42 GuShH Well, the vaginal muscles... Some sort of, wait I'm not a medic.
22:42 GuShH zhanx: No thanks, but.. what am I missing?
22:42 zhanx funny
22:42 theBear no shit ? heheheehehee
22:42 theBear and you aint missing much unless you wanna shock housemates
22:42 zhanx cock sock and pt belt all the way
22:43 GuShH wat
22:43 GuShH I bet he pours candle wax on top of the bees, on top of the wasps, on top of the used syringes just to get off
22:43 GuShH THATS HOW TOUGH HE IS
22:43 zhanx lol
22:43 zhanx not
22:43 zhanx i cry for movies
22:44 GuShH He cried with 2girls1cup
22:44 zhanx lol no i was like wait that real?
22:44 GuShH I don't remember watching the whole thing, wasn't interested.
22:44 GuShH But, was it real?
22:45 zhanx shit i turn 37 in 30 minutes
22:45 theBear heh, you're old
22:45 GuShH The level of conversation one can achieve with zhanx are nobel prize material.
22:45 zhanx i was born 8 seconds after midnight in a barn
22:45 GuShH Will you have a japanese penis painting party for your birthday?
22:46 GuShH (that's a real thing)
22:46 Tom_itx not that we care
22:46 zhanx must not google that
22:47 zhanx Tom_itx, how is rue's truck
22:47 GuShH Never googled it, it's the type of crap you read on freenode
22:48 zhanx GuShH, live good brother, Tom_itx knows i kind of do
22:49 GuShH I'm like Sheldon, so if this is a type of regular social convention I'm lost. Ok how about, thanks you too?
22:50 zhanx ok math is good also
22:51 MrCurious tonight, the soldering difficulty will be enhanced with teh addition of BEER
22:51 GuShH I solder a lot better with beer...
22:51 GuShH So I don't follow.
22:52 MrCurious odd
22:52 theBear i drink beer all day every day, forever, so i don't follow
22:52 GuShH Heh
22:52 theBear well recently wine some days, but i'm a pensioner now
22:52 MrCurious ber makes me sleepy
22:52 theBear you now, 9-11, saddam, we're all making sacrifices
22:52 GuShH MrCurious: A beer or two will relax my hands
22:52 GuShH haha
22:52 MrCurious hahahaha
22:53 MrCurious terror! terror! terror!, 9-11, 9-11
22:53 GuShH BOMB
22:53 GuShH zhanx is freaking out right about now
22:53 zhanx nope
22:53 theBear that's right
22:53 eBear is DA
22:53 MrCurious i like the shirt that says "I am a bomb technician. if you see me running, try to keep up."
22:53 zhanx good p for plenty
22:53 theBear they've got the bomb, repeat, they've got the bomb
22:53 GuShH Hahaha
22:53 theBear i got that shirt too
22:54 GuShH I want one :(
22:54 theBear so ya know, da bomb
22:54 zhanx its funny
22:54 MrCurious do you have the one with a ww2 airplane on it dropping bombs that have "F" on the side of them
22:54 MrCurious F-bombing
22:54 theBear heh nah, i do it more cyanide and happiness style
22:54 GuShH o.O
22:54 MrCurious thebear: do you have any of those "forever alone" statues?
22:55 GuShH why the hell are harleys so expensive....
22:55 zhanx no i lost 17 soldiers to ied's
22:55 GuShH they're virtually shit.
22:55 MrCurious i think they cost a lot, as you can always get parts for them
22:55 MrCurious easily
22:55 zhanx i lost another 13 to bullshit deep buried bombs
22:55 GuShH how come they all mark their territory?
22:55 theBear http://www.explosm.net/comics/2131/
22:55 MrCurious and they go "Tut-tut-tut-tut"
22:55 zhanx so bring it
22:55 GuShH TUT TUT TUT TUT yes! that's what I want!
22:56 GuShH And a tiny novelty helmet so I can kill myself on the first turn
22:56 theBear MrCurious, lol nah, i aint quite given up yet... but as the years go on i had to concede that i may be taking on a kid to get a woman i like
22:56 theBear the ladies LOVE thebear, no matter how little he tries
22:56 GuShH zhanx: It's good that you feel bad about it all, try not to repress it as it will only feed your anger.
22:56 Tom_itx ye ole dog
22:57 MrCurious the re-sale market?
22:57 theBear hell, if i could walk right now i'd be working on it
22:57 zhanx sure i am old as you now Tom_itx
22:57 GuShH theBear: and yet you are like a kid in a way
22:57 MrCurious 2nd hand kids are cool
22:57 theBear GuShH, not just one
22:57 MrCurious look at the perks...
22:57 MrCurious no liquid brown phase...
22:57 GuShH theBear: cartoons, etc.
22:57 theBear hey, it's not my fault or her fault, we all make mistakes
22:57 GuShH wot
22:57 MrCurious mistakes make people...
22:57 GuShH Do you have that tshirt too?
22:57 theBear yep, also you should never tell the people that got made
22:58 GuShH "My mom gave it for my birthday"
22:58 theBear nah, but i got a spongebob and a patrick one
22:58 zhanx theBear, i haven that tshirt
22:58 GuShH lol
22:58 MrCurious theBear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7GbCrREOM4
22:58 GuShH patrick reminds me of someone...
22:58 GuShH there are people EXACTLY like him out there.
22:58 theBear i got a patrick doll too, it talks when you squeeze it
22:59 MrCurious i bought a shirt that said "EAT MY F##K" then weeks later i realized i had nowhere at all to wear it... very short sighted
22:59 theBear MrCurious, hehehe
23:01 theBear aha aha aha oh oh
23:04 MrCurious soldering done without incident
23:04 GuShH MrCurious: moar beer!
23:04 theBear heh, i agree
23:05 zhanx nice job
23:05 GuShH and what is zhanx working on?
23:05 zhanx evil
23:05 GuShH I don't know how you work on evil
23:05 MrCurious GuShH: how many star trek uniforms do you own?
23:06 zhanx 800mhz gov crypto module to serial help
23:06 GuShH None
23:06 theBear i look for evil that's been run over by a car then take it into my basement to start
23:06 GuShH I don't own any uniforms
23:06 theBear noone liked the comic ? :(
23:06 GuShH Not a big comic guy either
23:07 MrCurious i loved the F bomb comic
23:07 theBear i got some uniforms, i can impersonate a telco salesman/rep, a telco tech, a window installer, a lighting dude, bunch of others
23:07 theBear MrCurious, good boy
23:07 GuShH who makes mechanical drawings in GIF format?
23:07 GuShH I can't even read the dimensions on the parts
23:07 theBear people from last millenium
23:08 MrCurious PDF
23:08 theBear people from 2 decades back use targa :)
23:08 MrCurious you should annotate it with questions, then reduce its resolution by a NON-FACTOR-OF-2 then turn it to a pef and mail it to them
23:08 eBear wonders how many people even heard of t
23:09 MrCurious pdf
23:09 GuShH I've had to implement TGA encoding and decoding from scratch
23:09 GuShH part of which in ASM (x86)
23:09 zhanx crypto module has a bad and poor password !
23:09 GuShH Don't want to remember.
23:09 zhanx cracked it
23:09 MrCurious TARGA? wasnt that an enemy of the federation in TOS?
23:09 theBear hehe
23:09 zhanx only hopes after 9 seconds
23:10 ShH pictures a big guy with a tiny soldering iron stabbing at a random pcb, ie. zhanx at
23:10 zhanx and 15 seconds
23:10 theBear lol
23:10 theBear GuShH, don't forget mentally tortured
23:10 zhanx that is true GuShH
23:10 zhanx my iron is smaller than my hand
23:11 theBear heh, i never heard it called an iron before, but that's sad
23:11 GuShH If you focus you could get angry enough to melt the solder with your own mind.
23:11 MrCurious GuShH: rule 37.... soldering iron....
23:11 MrCurious erm 34
23:11 GuShH what's rule 37 then
23:11 MrCurious
23:11 MrCurious There are no girls on the internet....ever .
23:11 MrCurious That night elf is a guy, rule 37 bro
23:11 zhanx is it bad i solder with a cutting torch also theBear
23:11 theBear i could tell you, but then zhanx would have to kill you :)
23:12 theBear it's bad if you do it, i'm a soldering ninja, i can solder with a plasma cutting rig and have it come out good
23:12 zhanx the not my job
23:12 theBear ahh, the not your job indeed
23:12 GuShH is it a 36.. is it a 38... ILL NEVER FRIGGIN KNOW THANKS TO MR GIF
23:13 theBear use the farce buck rogers !
23:13 GuShH maybe if I overlay the image and compare
23:13 GuShH assuming it wasn't all drawn in paint.
23:13 MrCurious iddy-biddy-biddy-biddy AW FUCK
23:13 zhanx bga sucks to solder
23:14 MrCurious dont you have to paste and bake bga?
23:14 GuShH zhanx solders BGAs by punching them right onto the PCB
23:14 eBear gig
23:14 zhanx lol
23:14 zhanx GuShH, if you only knew
23:14 GuShH I guess C4 would work
23:14 zhanx tis ok
23:15 zhanx c4 is weak tis why you need p
23:15 zhanx p is for plenty
23:15 theBear GuShH, c'mon man, he aint an explosives expert, he's a trained killer ~!
23:15 zhanx theBear, wanna bet?
23:15 GuShH just enough to push it fast enough to friction-solder it, ignoring the fact that it will fracture the die, pcb and everything around it.
23:16 theBear awww, i made him remember his feelings of inferiority again, now we go thru the loop
23:16 GuShH theBear: meh, it's part of the training though
23:16 zhanx yep
23:16 zhanx you guys win
23:16 theBear GuShH, that's why i use my kungfu training to one-finger-punch bgas down, real accurate like
23:16 GuShH will C4 fix my runny nose?
23:17 theBear pfft, these old guys... irc isn't a competition
23:17 MrCurious i have seen a optical material, a mineral, that passes light only in 1 direction through... be nice to have a mat of that to link BGA to the board below... just clamp it to the board and good to go
23:17 zhanx GuShH, of course it will remove it
23:17 GuShH :D
23:17 GuShH MrCurious: just get some surplus XRAY machine
23:17 GuShH make sure to zap your balls in the process.
23:17 MrCurious xray? you aiming for rule 34 of chips?
23:18 GuShH o.o
23:18 GuShH ALL THESE RULES
23:18 MrCurious i am not brave enough to put in BALL GRID ARRAY to a google image search....
23:18 GuShH Who are you!
23:18 theBear how about pall pain hammer?
23:18 GuShH Oh yeah, the old ball grid array parties...
23:18 theBear you got the cahones to type that ?
23:19 MrCurious theBear: sounding thats the image search for you
23:19 GuShH no, but we can always copy paste it instead
23:19 theBear heh
23:19 anx need to find the super oxidizing torch bga soldering ( dont recommend this
23:19 MrCurious cautions others NOT to search that
23:20 GuShH all I got were hammers, two crying kids and some feet
23:20 theBear hehe, you tried it ?
23:20 eBear gig
23:20 GuShH and flipflops.
23:20 MrCurious turn off safe search...
23:20 GuShH Oh?
23:20 zhanx wrong location of hammers GuShH
23:20 GuShH No thanks.
23:20 GuShH It's on for a reason.
23:21 GuShH So I don't end up like zhanx.
23:21 ShH snic
23:21 theBear my safe search is off, and i aint nearly as bitter or screwed up as him
23:21 GuShH Maybe you need to punch more BGAs
23:25 theBear i starting to smell bad, i gotta workout some way to get my clothes off
23:25 GuShH fire
23:25 theBear heh, not bad, thinking outside the box
23:26 MrCurious wait... who is bitter...
23:26 theBear i dunno, ihaven't licked everyone yet
23:26 GuShH LOL
23:27 GuShH exactly what I was going to say :(
23:27 MrCurious hahahah
23:27 theBear and that's not bitter, that's just practical, i seriously can't undress myself at the moment
23:27 MrCurious not like he is calling us salty...
23:27 theBear nah, i reserve that for sailors
23:27 GuShH So, I can't find a way to overlay an image on FreeCad
23:27 GuShH Sigh.
23:28 theBear also dawg, well, sailors and xzibit
23:28 theBear xzma, xzibition, whateverhe called :)
23:28 Jak_o_Shadows I'm currently screwing around with a manipulator design in inventor
23:28 GuShH lol
23:29 MrCurious neighbor gave me a car power mirror assembly. has 2 motors that raise and lower lead screws
23:29 GuShH hai, hai, want a car mirror?, sure! "idly removes the mirror from someone else's car" -- here ya go!
23:30 GuShH And that actually happened, but with an antenna.
23:30 MrCurious if you look real close at the base of antennas, they have inscribed "Free Take One"
23:31 GuShH Was at the barbers, they were talking about how someone got their car antenna stolen... and he's like, wait is that your car? "no", but it's just like yours, right? "I guess" -- OK ONE SECOND
23:31 GuShH And he pulled it out.
23:31 MrCurious win?
23:31 ShH just st
23:31 theBear hehe
23:31 MrCurious in america the car antennas are inside the windows...
23:32 MrCurious that story would be cooler here
23:32 GuShH They either talk about firearms or they're doing some silly shit when I go over there
23:32 theBear i ain't been to the barber since last century... i kinda miss it, so old fashioned, taht place ain't changed since b4 i was born
23:33 GuShH yeah
23:33 theBear well, except now his son does most of the work instead of him
23:33 GuShH I wouldn't step into one of those hipster places
23:33 MrCurious theBear: did they have mountains back then?
23:33 theBear oh dear, i hadn't really looked for a few years, but i can imagine, sounds horrible
23:33 theBear umm, i guess
23:33 GuShH yeah picture a flock of gays eager to touch you
23:33 GuShH well, that may fly with some guys
23:34 theBear heh, that's all gays, it's not only the ladies that love me :)
23:34 GuShH I DONT LIKE IT plus they talk about flowers and shit, not guns.
23:34 MrCurious a gay-mob...
23:34 ShH shi
23:34 theBear i'm more worried about sitting next to a dude in stovepipes with a tucked in flannel and a 60s haircut :)
23:34 GuShH Do they chase you around with drilldos?
23:34 GuShH theBear: no, that's just a lesbian.
23:34 theBear nah, like everyone else they don't mess with me
23:34 theBear lol
23:34 ShH r
23:34 MrCurious i think the us tried to make that. a weapon that turns enemy soldiers gay, in effect a flash-gay-mob
23:34 theBear well played
23:35 MrCurious it didnt work
23:35 theBear you sure ? i heard they tested it on sanfran :)
23:35 GuShH I don't know, look at zhanx
23:35 GuShH Haha
23:35 theBear teehee gush is on fire !
23:35 MrCurious yeah, there are still some residual lingering effects...
23:36 theBear orright, lets see if i can make another coffee then
23:36 ShH still can't overlay an image on fre
23:36 GuShH oh, coffee! I wonder if I should have some
23:36 theBear or even get there... be back, eventually
23:36 GuShH running low on the good stuff though
23:36 theBear gaaah ! slipped trying to get out of the chair
23:36 MrCurious help! i've fallen and i cant get up!
23:37 rue_shop2 my smelter pot spring another leak and Ihave aluminum all over the place
23:37 rue_shop2 spung no less
23:37 GuShH rue_shop2: I've only seen pics of failed parts, have you made any progress or just never cared to update
23:37 rue_shop2 looks like I have to hit it with a hammer when testing it
23:37 GuShH I've had a leak, but on a small scale so I wasn't worried.
23:38 GuShH I need to build something bigger.
23:38 rue_shop2 I lost about a liter of aluminum
23:38 GuShH It's not lost
23:38 rue_shop2 no, but its gonna need to be cleaned up, which is annoying
23:38 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, if you drain from the bottom of the smelter pot, it should be clean
23:38 GuShH but it's still there!
23:38 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: but it's where it falls that matters heh
23:38 GuShH >_<
23:38 rue_shop2 and I lose some every time I re-melt
23:39 rue_shop2 esp if it gets junk in it
23:39 GuShH I haven't got a good source of cheap scrap alu yet
23:39 GuShH saw a couple places with "we buy alu, copper, brass" signs and pricing per kilogram
23:39 GuShH but not much else
23:39 MrCurious cans?
23:39 GuShH nah
23:39 GuShH too much crap in those
23:39 rue_shop2 old lawn mowers at the side of the road
23:39 GuShH plus, I don't consume them
23:39 MrCurious once you drain the beer, and get over the annoying buzz, you melt the cans
23:39 GuShH rue_shop2: those don't exist here
23:40 GuShH they end up in someone's garage until they die.
23:40 GuShH then they're probably buried with it.
23:40 rue_shop2 they get put at the side of the road when they are dead tho
23:40 GuShH MrCurious: no, while it's good alu, there's too much crap in the cans
23:40 GuShH rue_shop2 : not here.
23:40 MrCurious like what?
23:40 MrCurious paint, plastic seal
23:40 rue_shop2 put a big sign infront of the house "LAWN MOWER REPAIR" just tell everyone who dont have a simple problems its gonna be cheaper to buy a new one
23:40 GuShH yes, that's actually a lot of crap
23:41 MrCurious doesnt that burn off, and form a slag you can just ladel off
23:41 GuShH they would try to either have it fixed or sell it instead of throwing it away
23:41 rue_shop2 you smash it up
23:41 GuShH this is not the US
23:41 GuShH where everything is diposable
23:41 GuShH MrCurious: it's a lot of slag
23:41 MrCurious trick here is to use stuff NOT to the point of failure. then you can leave it in teh driveway, and it will grow legs and walk away on its own, and you dont have to pay to dispose of it
23:41 rue_shop2 :( I wanted to cast my new sediment bowl top today
23:41 GuShH I save all the alu I buy from cans to whatever, doesn't mean it's a good source.
23:42 GuShH plus, I don't really buy canned beer.
23:42 rue_shop2 alu cans are useless to melt, they turn into more oxide then aluminum
23:42 MrCurious suppose you could atomize teh aluminum, and use an annode or cathode to collect it
23:42 GuShH just a few imports every now and then if they're not bottled
23:42 rue_shop2 there is aluminum all over the place
23:42 MrCurious though just buying pre-made alcoa aluminum would be faster, safer, cheaper
23:42 GuShH huh?
23:43 rue_shop2 I have more alum than its practical for me to use
23:43 GuShH rue_shop2: I know they buy alu a few kilometers from here, I just need to find out how much they sell it for and how it's sold
23:43 rue_shop2 your just not a good scrapper
23:43 GuShH If you ever come to Argentina you'll see there's nothing to scrap on the streets
23:44 rue_shop2 hard drives alone and i'd have enough
23:45 GuShH I can't really buy stock to turn the pieces I need for this project
23:45 rue_shop2 I have 2 tubs of hard drives I still need to strip
23:46 GuShH Too wasteful, too expensive, way too big diameter to be worth it
23:46 GuShH Instead casting it is the way to go
23:46 GuShH I may have 8-12 harddrives to scrap, but nothing else. I figure there ought to be a better source of alu
23:46 rue_shop2 no manufacturing left in argentina?
23:47 GuShH They don't throw out the scrap they sell it directly
23:47 GuShH they're not retarded.
23:47 rue_shop2 is ther enone tho?
23:47 GuShH there is
23:47 rue_shop2 how many automotive shops within 2 blocks of you?
23:48 GuShH none. I've thought about asking for cracked blocks, pistons... they already sell them to someone.
23:48 GuShH nobody gives you anything for free.
23:48 rue_shop2 you thought or you asked?
23:48 GuShH Also most blocks are fixed unless they're beyond repair
23:48 rue_shop2 how much do the siezed cars go for in the police auctions?
23:49 GuShH They don't go
23:49 GuShH They scrap directly
23:49 GuShH "it's easier that way" they say
23:49 rue_shop2 the cops keep them ?
23:49 rue_shop2 huh
23:49 theBear there's a liquor store within 2 blocks of me, but i can't make it that far !
23:49 GuShH At one time they tried to auction but there was "too much paperwork involved"
23:49 rue_shop2 you would think they get more money putting them to audction
23:49 GuShH So now you can see new cars being scrapped
23:49 GuShH rue_shop2: they're so corrupt they don't really give a crap about this at all
23:49 rue_shop2 cars are disposable anyhow
23:49 GuShH and the less they work, the better
23:49 rue_shop2 thats why everyone in the us is broke
23:50 GuShH yeah but a brand new audi being scrapped because a couple dipshits can't be arsed to stamp 3 chunks of paper is beyond stupid
23:50 theBear nah, it's a deeper kind of stupidness that screws the us :)
23:50 rue_shop2 anyhow, I'm in canada, aluminum is abundant
23:50 GuShH brb gonna buy a rocket ship with my credit card, I'm american now!
23:51 rue_shop2 if all else fails, people tend to take cars up into the bush the burn, lots of good parts
23:51 GuShH rue_shop2: I'm glad it is, I'm sure if I got the right connections I could have enough alu to play with, we'll see.
23:51 GuShH I didn't ask at the shops, I just know they sell it already
23:52 rue_shop2 heh
23:52 rue_shop2 GuShH,
23:52 rue_shop2 you know, that statement
23:52 rue_shop2 goes with this robot...
23:52 GuShH (because nobody throws anything away here)
23:52 rue_shop2 http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/nothingbot/nothing_bot.html
23:52 rue_shop2 ^^^ your spouting that philosophy
23:53 GuShH Nah
23:53 GuShH It's common sense.
23:53 rue_shop2 like I said, your not a good scrapper :)
23:53 GuShH Nothing is free, they don't throw it away -> they sell it
23:54 GuShH engine blocks would be ideal, very good alu...
23:54 theBear lunch is free
23:54 theBear but if you wanna eat it, it isn't cake
23:55 theBear rue_shop2, nice page !
23:55 theBear hehe, the grass is too sharp today !
23:56 GuShH actually when it rains, I can't do almost anything at all
23:56 theBear can't do nuthin, must do somethin
23:56 GuShH yeah if you sent me the funds I'll make some roofing.
23:56 GuShH so I can weld and do other crazy stuff outside while it rains.
23:57 theBear err, just do stuff inside like a normal person ? the grass isprobly too sharp anyway
23:58 GuShH don't forget my back is shit, and when I overexert myself I end up doing nothing for almost a week.
23:58 GuShH can't weld indoors unless I install a fume extractor
23:58 GuShH couple tacks is OK with an open window / door
23:58 theBear ahh c'mon, most days when i open the door for people smoke bellows out and they comment how they can't see the other end of the room
23:58 GuShH but nothing else.
23:58 theBear stop being a sissy
23:59 GuShH flux smoke is way worse than tobacco
23:59 GuShH the flux on stick electrodes, not rosin
23:59 theBear heh, who said it was only tobacco :)
23:59 GuShH well then send me some of that too? maybe it helps with the back