#robotics Logs

Jul 19 2013

00:14 Jak_o_Shadows Thank you
00:15 GuShH Found it under the desk
00:15 GuShH Nevermind the green hairs
00:16 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: diagram image doesn't exist http://jak-o-shadows.users.sourceforge.net/electronics/bike/bike_timer.html
00:19 Jak_o_Shadows What, http://jak-o-shadows.users.sourceforge.net/electronics/bike/bikeTimer.png ?
00:20 GuShH but it points to http://jak-o-shadows.users.sourceforge.net/electronics/bike/diagram.svg
00:21 ShH burps -- good co
00:24 rue_house :) i kinda feel for the servos how come you guys cant coounterbalance anything?
00:25 Jak_o_Shadows Even worse, i haven't got the screws in attaching, it's just press-fit on
00:25 Jak_o_Shadows But yeah, it's on the todo list
00:27 GuShH at least it works?
00:28 Jak_o_Shadows yep.
00:28 Jak_o_Shadows I'm using blender to do the inverse kinematics, much easier than manually setting arm positions
00:29 GuShH cool, but that means you must now post a video
00:30 Jak_o_Shadows I will. I'm a little short of wire though, and I don't have a big enough box to put it i n while filming
00:39 theBear i use blender to make milkshake
00:50 rue_house "this oil plug should fit your engine..." "I'll tell ya, just a sec!" "uh..." "ITS OK, THERES NO OIL IN IT RIGHT NOW!"
00:51 GuShH lol
00:52 theBear heh
00:52 theBear can't argue with that logic
00:55 GuShH LOL "Germany" http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/die_holder/img_0600.jpg
00:55 GuShH CE
00:55 GuShH Germanchink.
00:56 rue_house mmm threading tool, there is a youtube vid on how to make one
00:56 GuShH well, die holder yeah
00:56 theBear ooh that's a big sexy chuck there
00:56 GuShH I just find it hilarious, they add "Germany" and it's clearly another China lathe
00:56 rue_house huh, that lathe looks like its made of peices of a lot of other lathes
00:58 GuShH rue_house: it's most likely from the late 90s
00:58 rue_house http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/filing_stand/filing_stand.htm
00:58 rue_house thats on my todo list
00:59 GuShH "amigos" dir heh
00:59 MrCurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByfaYcOm4A&list=PL55713C70BA91BD6E&feature=endscreen
00:59 GuShH http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/filing_stand/filing_rest-e.htm
00:59 GuShH in english
00:59 MrCurious lathe master!
01:02 GuShH MrCurious: here's something you can do with one of your cheap drill presses http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/tapping_jig/tapping_stand-e.htm
01:02 MrCurious meh
01:03 GuShH you lazy fck!
01:03 rue_house with dish-pan walls
01:04 rue_house that was a pretty small press
01:05 GuShH those are the cheapest chinese ones they sell
01:06 MrCurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSvxjSiiv14
01:08 GuShH MrCurious: is that from the 90s?
01:08 MrCurious dunno
01:08 GuShH or mid 80s
01:08 GuShH I remember watching those
01:10 MrCurious she works for the make a wish foundation
01:10 MrCurious oh my! she knows what you wished for...
01:11 GuShH daum those tits
01:15 GuShh_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrIpXnMaWI
04:52 Jak_o_Shadows Cool, my robot arm may be able to lift 180g
05:06 Nekros Jak_o_Shadows: show us.
05:10 Jak_o_Shadows http://jak-o-shadows.users.sourceforge.net/electronics/robotArm/pics.html
05:10 Jak_o_Shadows the 180g is just calculations
05:17 RifRaf it'll be interesting to see the actual weight
05:20 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah
05:20 Jak_o_Shadows At the moment the joints are just falling apart too easily to test
05:20 Jak_o_Shadows Plus, all the fishing weights are outside, and it's cold and dark
05:22 Skwint "my robot could lift 180g if the joints didn't fall apart"
05:22 Skwint sorry, I just find that funny :p
05:23 Jak_o_Shadows I think i'll stick with the hot glue for now, but I definitely need to put the set-screws into the servos
07:53 theBear lol
07:54 eBear also finds it funn
07:55 Jak_o_Shadows haha
07:56 theBear woah ! that mess of sticky tape and paperclip joints is an arm ? damn ! no wonder it falls apart
07:56 theBear c'mon man !
08:02 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, that's on my todo list.
08:02 Jak_o_Shadows Perhaps tommorow, but I think I need to decide how I want the gripper first
08:02 Jak_o_Shadows Also, at the moment in the top two pics it looks like a dinosaur.
08:03 theBear erm, if you say so <grin>
08:04 Jak_o_Shadows haha
13:47 MrCurious good morning *
14:10 causative has anyone ever made a humanoid robot whose motions are controlled by live motion capture from a human?
14:14 MrCurious yes. people have
14:14 MrCurious but i am gonna guess you are really asking has anyone HERE done that
14:14 causative no I'm not, I'm asking if anyone has done it
14:14 causative what's the name of such a robot? is there a video? I'm just curious
14:15 MrCurious i think they use them in medical field radiation field, remote surgery
14:15 causative but that's just the arm
14:16 causative I mean a whole body robot like petman
14:17 MrCurious i would assume thats been done
14:18 causative maybe
14:18 causative there would be challenges, like the robot would need to maintain its own balance (can't depend on the human to do that for it)
14:19 MrCurious would need force feedback
14:19 causative the human can't maintain balance of his own body and the robot's body simultaneously
14:34 Skwint not unless the robot also weighs the same, has the same dimensions, reacts instantly to things a human does by reflex, and is interacting with an identical environment :p
14:34 Skwint but ... why?
14:35 causative well it doesn't necessarily have to weigh the same or have the same dimensions
14:35 Skwint I mean, the human is a two legged creature because evolution already had a 4 legged creature and needed hands
14:35 Skwint from any other design pov it's a really stupid idea
14:35 causative at every moment it should try to adjust itself to match the human's limb positions while maintaining balance
14:36 causative why? well think remote controlled robot worker or soldier
14:36 Skwint sure. on tracks.
14:36 Skwint I really don't get this obsession with making robots look like people - I think it stems from dodgy sci-fi movies in the 50s
14:37 Skwint legs are good for uneven terrain, but even then, why 2? 4 or 6 seems so much better?
14:37 Tom_itx the japanese are obcessed with it
14:37 causative on tracks you can't step over things or handle stairs as easily
14:37 causative 2 legs because the human controller has 2 legs
14:37 causative so when he moves his legs that corresponds to the robot
14:38 Skwint but the robot is moving its legs itself to maintain balance
14:38 Tom_itx obviously they aren't very practical in terms of getting work done
14:38 causative yeah but ideally the robot moves on its own as little as possible
14:38 MrCurious making them in our form factor means there tools and attachments like cars ready made for them
14:38 causative so that most of the time the human's motions do correspond
14:38 Skwint the human would probably much rather indicate a travel direction by moving a joystick than by trying to walk there while the robot does something else
14:39 causative maybe
14:39 causative anyway I'm just curious
14:39 Skwint well, if I wanted to remote control a robot as an infantry object in a war
14:39 Skwint I think I'd want a low to the ground spider shape with a turret mount on top
14:43 causative sure
15:04 Nekros Anyone here who's done legged locomotion.
15:04 Nekros *?
15:07 Nekros Or like biomimetic robotics ...
16:07 GuShh_ [15:55] causative: has anyone ever made a humanoid robot whose motions are controlled by live motion capture from a human? <<<<< the amount of clueless exceeds 9000 right there.
16:07 GuShh_ Skwint: this is not 3
16:07 GuShh_ #war
16:08 Curious chuc
16:09 GuShh_ There should be a channel rule stating that anyone who enters the channel after watching a robotics or war related documentary, should state so by appending "imatvpeanut" to their nicks
16:15 GuShh_ Thanks MrCurious now I'm 23% filthier
16:15 GuShh_ I didn't know those things existed.
16:16 MrCurious rule 34... rule 34
16:16 MrCurious be very careful what you specify, rule 34 can horribly scar the uninitiated
16:17 Shh_ shi
16:17 MrCurious crap. just imagined ROBO PORN
16:18 GuShh_ It must exist.
16:18 MrCurious must not look...
16:18 MrCurious gonna try to forget that thought
16:18 GuShh_ MrCurious: I think in that video what actually happened is she blew up her cylinder gasket.
16:18 GuShh_ leaky head gasket -> greasy hands
16:19 GuShh_ and because she's a woman, it's going to cause her a heart attack?
16:19 Shh_ is ignoring the ly
16:19 GuShh_ I heard something within the lines of "If I ever drove a chinese car, I think I'd have a heart attack"
16:19 MrCurious it could be a metaphor for a blown oil pan on a car...
16:19 causative wow you are very rude and overbearing GuShh_
16:19 GuShh_ causative: totally
16:20 GuShh_ causative: let me see your true colours first and we'll see if we can be friends later on
16:20 causative not a good thing
16:20 Curious hands causative a flower and welcomes him to the church of shiny robotic consciousn
16:21 Skwint the church of rusty robotic consciousness gets more done, but has a bad PR relationship with the tabloids
16:21 GuShh_ http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/project-pope-futurama.jpg
16:22 MrCurious church robot...
16:22 MrCurious that could be a totally untapped market
16:22 GuShh_ http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2010/11/bender.jpg
16:22 MrCurious feels wrong to monetize religion, but i suppose they did it first
16:23 GuShh_ That's how I picture causative.
16:23 causative what...
16:23 causative you think I'm a robot?
16:23 GuShh_ no, a loser wearing a cheap robot costume.
16:23 causative you think I'm wearing a robot costume?
16:24 MrCurious causative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGSVYgcy24Q i think this robot is controled by a human
16:24 GuShh_ It wouldn't be the first time
16:24 causative do headphones count
16:24 MrCurious nah turn it u real loud so everyone hears
16:25 GuShh_ ...so everyone hears your horrible taste for 8bit music
16:26 causative 8 bit music, wtf
16:26 causative are you confusing me with someone else you know?
16:26 GuShh_ he also still wears his original kraftwerk tshirt, of course it's super tight now and all you can see are his nipples
16:27 MrCurious oooh! i could go for kraftwerk
16:27 GuShh_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ
16:27 MrCurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8Pma1vHmw
16:27 MrCurious same thing
16:28 MrCurious love the tie
16:28 GuShh_ wooop woop wooooop
16:29 GuShh_ Behind that analog 7 digit counter, you had a 6 feet chunk of wood strapped with 300 ICs.
16:29 Shh_
16:30 GuShh_ MrCurious: gotta love the fact that they got paid for standing up and looking constipated for 3 minutes
16:31 MrCurious i thought that was a german thing
16:31 GuShh_ Not ALL Germans are like that, some move even less.
16:34 MrCurious wish i could find the first version of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8SWMAQYQf0 where he is trying to look at porn
16:34 GuShh_ MrCurious: thought he was an actor
16:35 GuShh_ also causative's brother
16:35 causative give it a rest already
16:36 GuShh_ We can't do that
16:36 Curious is starting to form an opi
16:36 Tom_itx i can
16:37 GuShh_ MrCurious: He was only upset because the V2 he bought on an eBay auction was a fake
16:37 MrCurious what would you like to talk about causative or is silence prefered?
16:37 Tom_itx yeah, silence is golden
16:37 Tom_itx let's all sit here and stare at the screen
16:37 MrCurious Tom_itx: you know there is a command for that
16:38 GuShh_ He wants to know if waldo manipulators are real
16:38 MrCurious where is waldo?
16:38 causative GuShh_, if you had read the rest of the conversation you would know that is not what I was asking about
16:38 GuShh_ Waldo is...
16:39 GuShh_ causative: you wanted to know if a "full biped" waldo was ever made
16:39 causative yeah and the answer seems to be no
16:39 GuShh_ I'd start looking at the Japanese sites
16:39 MrCurious causative: have you asked the google?
16:40 GuShh_ Also, any assisting exo-skeleton can be seen as one.
16:40 causative yes, MrCurious
16:40 GuShh_ Even if the feedback is obtained directly instead of remotely
16:40 GuShh_ There's no reason why you can't mocap and translate to a biped.
16:40 MrCurious how many search phrases did you try, perhaps asking for help on what to search for may be a faster path to results
16:41 GuShh_ hi robotustra
16:41 robotustra hi
16:41 causative an assisting exo-skeleton is not what I was asking about
16:41 GuShh_ MrCurious: I determined his fuse length to be within 12 cm
16:41 GuShh_ causative: it's the same concept
16:41 GuShh_ but feedback is not obtained remotely
16:41 causative the exo-skeleton is not able to stand by itself
16:41 GuShh_ old school waldo is just a closed feedback loop
16:42 causative my question is answered to my satisfaction MrCurious , unless you think there is such a robot?
16:42 GuShh_ the japanese mechas can very well stand on their own
16:43 Tom_itx they have also fallen on their own
16:43 GuShh_ Most things tend to fall under gravity :(
16:44 MrCurious causative: perhaps this... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bipedal+waldo+robot
16:44 GuShh_ causative: I'd say invest all your money on making one of them and get yourself in hackaday?
16:44 GuShh_ Why bother with a human biped anatomy?
16:45 GuShh_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM27Fh3TU70
16:45 causative "mechas" that I've heard of are either not humanoid, not controlled by motion capture, or both
16:45 MrCurious i would do that google search, then click images
16:45 GuShh_ mocap based, as I said... no real applications, for specific duties you have specific solutions.
16:45 MrCurious then visually search for suitable matches
16:46 GuShh_ this is useless.
16:46 MrCurious i THOUGHT nasa made one
16:46 GuShh_ If you need an inspection vehicle, you don't send in a biped.
16:46 GuShh_ If you need remote assembly or inspection, you only need one or two arms, not a biped.
16:46 MrCurious 2nd image shows a 4 wheeled human from the waste up that is human remote controled
16:46 GuShh_ MrCurious: watch the video, lots like it.
16:46 causative at minimum you need a 360 degree treadmill to fully control the robot by motion capture
16:46 GuShh_ I think that's how the guy gets his workout
16:47 GuShh_ causative: what?
16:47 MrCurious NAO that video is good
16:47 causative well, or you could walk around in a large open space I suppose, as long as the mocap equipment comes with you
16:47 Shh_ stares at MrCur
16:47 GuShh_ If it's for remote operation, why would you want to walk to anywhere
16:48 GuShh_ Oh yeah let's leave the robot safe in this warehouse and let's walk to the reactor ourselves!
16:48 causative because... that was the question... free standing humanoid robot, controlled by live motion capture from a human
16:48 GuShh_ causative: is this for another silly 3rd person "project"
16:48 causative the human walks, causing the robot to walk
16:48 GuShh_ what if he human can't walk
16:48 GuShh_ the*
16:48 causative then he can't use the robot
16:49 MrCurious GuShh_'s video was JUST that
16:49 GuShh_ that's not good.
16:49 causative you want it to be handicap accessible?
16:49 GuShh_ It's the first one on the list, there are tons.
16:49 MrCurious just add some cables to suspend the human with
16:49 GuShh_ causative: why not?
16:49 GuShh_ MrCurious: :D V12 puppet master.
16:49 GuShh_ MOCAP in this case is limited to what the kinect can do (depth based)
16:50 GuShh_ But at the same time, it's something you can buy for cheap
16:50 GuShh_ VS a real studio setp
16:50 GuShh_ setup*
16:50 GuShh_ Cold fingers.
16:50 MrCurious http://pingmag.jp/2007/12/07/the-great-robot-exhibition/
16:50 GuShh_ If you wanted to walk around, you'd need to suspend yourself to lower the friction on your feet, then as you shuffle on a pressure sensitive pad, you can detect walking or running motion
16:50 MrCurious from a google search for puppet robot
16:51 GuShh_ orientation comes from turning your body, relative to the stationary base
16:51 GuShh_ kinect follows your plane
16:51 causative suspending from cables leads to unnatural body motion however
16:51 causative there are 3d treadmills for the purpose of walking in place
16:51 causative er, 360 degree treadmills
16:51 GuShh_ And you can afford them?
16:51 GuShh_ If so, why are you even here
16:52 MrCurious man that iCub creeps me the hell out
16:52 causative no, I can't afford them
16:52 GuShh_ "this exists, that exists" knowing something exists has nothing to do with knowing how to apply what you CAN get.
16:52 MrCurious robots were not made to have freakish child aping masks
16:52 GuShh_ So they're irrelevant.
16:52 GuShh_ This is pointless
16:52 GuShh_ MrCurious: no? :(
16:53 MrCurious causative: for your stated goal, i think the most cost effective solution is to hire a poor person, and give them a cell phone. go left. pick up stick. throw stick. take stick from dog
16:54 MrCurious causative: is this the kind of robot you are wanting? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lr0JsMo7GLA/UXGwUIa-T8I/AAAAAAAAPfo/1yWWBGkLVj4/s1600/robot-puppet-women41-300x379.jpg
16:54 GuShh_ Hahaha
16:54 causative I didn't say I wanted to build one, I was only curious if they existed
16:54 causative (answer = no)
16:55 GuShh_ We don't know if he likes women
16:56 MrCurious i would ask robotustra he is quite knowledgable in this area...
16:56 MrCurious but be very polite
16:56 GuShh_ causative: technology for every specific "problem" in your question has existed for many years, recently made available for even lower cost... it exists, there's just no useful application.
16:56 MrCurious and keep in mind, the military will have so much more than they tell about...
16:56 GuShh_ bipeds are expensive compared to a specific platform for a specific problem
16:57 GuShh_ you'd rather have one biped or 5-10 specific tools that could be deployed at 5-10 locations at the same time?
16:57 robotustra what the problem with the knee of that robotesse?
16:57 GuShh_ robotustra: designed by an art student
16:57 MrCurious the fem-bot?
16:57 causative I didn't say they were more practical than alternatives, only wondered if they existed
16:57 GuShh_ I'm just saying why they're not very practical
16:58 causative perhaps not
16:58 MrCurious probably a movable port to expose a thigh gun...
16:58 GuShh_ robotustra: do you like lathe porn?
16:58 MrCurious robotustra: causative would like to know if you know of any bipedal human form robots in existence that parrot a humans movements (waldo, force feedback, or kinect)
16:59 GuShh_ He just has a dance fantasy to fulfill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeTI0H6M6s
17:00 robotustra fembot == robotesse
17:00 MrCurious it would be an interesting application to create a bipedal robot with a neural interface for quadriplegics, or quad amputees...
17:00 MrCurious but people with those issues seldom have the money to aquire such equiptment
17:00 GuShh_ There's nothing impressive about this
17:00 GuShh_ The "nao" should obtain a positional clue from a visual standpoint
17:01 GuShh_ That would be a bit more impressive than a couple MCUs wirelessly connected through a serial port
17:01 MrCurious how annoying would a bipedal robot that mocks your movements be
17:01 GuShh_ Not annoying at all
17:01 robotustra flamingo robot
17:01 MrCurious it would be like a super strong 2 year old with no idea of when to quit!
17:01 GuShh_ These are too slow to mock me!
17:02 robotustra thunderstorm in here
17:02 MrCurious i dont know about that... paint your face on one and have it make gestures.... on a lathe...
17:02 robotustra I was in IKEA
17:02 MrCurious achievement unlicked!
17:02 robotustra and there were a storm
17:02 GuShh_ robotustra: did you get lost again in IKEA
17:02 GuShh_ I wonder what would happen if they had a leak on the roof
17:02 robotustra yes. fucking shop
17:02 GuShh_ everything would turn to mush
17:02 MrCurious hah! wife wants ikea after we do the aluminum shop
17:02 robotustra and they do reconstruction now
17:03 GuShh_ ikea is a place to break up with your partner.
17:03 robotustra I bought small chairs and tables for kids
17:03 MrCurious i like ikea. i love having the same exact furnishings as everyone else
17:03 MrCurious now when i walk into the wrong house, i totally dont notice!
17:03 GuShh_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCcXHy13wF0
17:03 MrCurious gush, the youtube has you...
17:04 GuShh_ :o
17:04 GuShh_ No, I watched that on TV a long time ago
17:04 GuShh_ "I swear to God I will STAB you!" haha
17:05 MrCurious my wife is watching it now
17:07 GuShh_ wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2miLiWAuKnA
17:08 GuShh_ this is how I picture robotustra.
17:11 GuShh_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig2Xg0heXfY
17:13 robotustra GuShh_: WTF is this?
17:13 GuShh_ which one?
17:13 GuShh_ It's Conan
17:14 GuShh_ Don't you know Conan?
17:14 robotustra no
17:14 GuShh_ DAAAAAUUUM
17:14 robotustra and don't want to know
17:14 GuShh_ He used to be a writer for The Simpsons
17:14 robotustra and what?
17:14 GuShh_ Don't tell me you don't watch the Simpsons?
17:14 GuShh_ he's a great comedian, that's all
17:14 robotustra I saw them, and 50%
17:15 Shh_ p
17:15 GuShh_ robotustra: So are you still assembling all the IKEA cardboardniture?
17:15 GuShh_ I bet you just buy IKEA stuff to feel useful when you put it all together
17:15 GuShh_ haha
17:15 robotustra I saw him in movies but I don't remember which one exactly
17:15 GuShh_ YERP, ENGINEERING DEGREE RIGHT HERE
17:16 Tom_itx cardboard house
17:16 GuShh_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005277/
17:16 GuShh_ Haha Andy Barker, P.I. that didn't fly very high
17:16 GuShh_ At least he's a sidekick now
17:25 GuShh_ Sigh... They never shipped those tools
17:25 GuShh_ I bet they'll ship them out on Monday and I'll have to wait until Friday.
17:26 Tom_itx i bet they don't ship them
17:27 GuShh_ lol
17:27 GuShh_ Then I'll just head over to their store.
17:29 GuShh_ Where I'll either find the box being used to level their counter or, a non existing box.
17:32 Tom_itx or a sack with a hole in the bottom with your name on it
17:34 GuShh_ Heh
17:35 GuShh_ Tom_itx: It just costs less to order it, because if you factor the time and gas it's not worth it. But I've been waiting for a long time now, so there's that...
17:35 R0b0t1 GuShh_, someone in ##cs asked about a "modern OS which ran like a neural network"
17:35 GuShh_ o.O
17:36 R0b0t1 so yeah
17:36 R0b0t1 lots of clueless around freenode
17:36 GuShh_ Most brains are just that
17:36 GuShh_ Suggest they get a USB implanted into their heads.
17:36 R0b0t1 oh I may be referencing something while ago, didn't realize that was in my scrollback
17:37 GuShh_ R0b0t1: Just me being an ass to causative
17:37 R0b0t1 yes
17:37 GuShh_ Bah I like neural networks, I just don't have a lot of experience with them
17:37 GuShh_ I've mostly used them to recognize shapes
17:38 GuShh_ But at the extent I was using them, they were "recalling" not "recognizing"
17:38 GuShh_ Anyway both terms are not accurate, as it's just software.
17:38 robotustra GuShh_: what do you like in them
17:38 GuShh_ robotustra: The simplicity for which I could train them with different sets of data
17:38 GuShh_ Instead of having to write specific code
17:38 robotustra I think the reason why do you like them it's because you have no experience with them
17:39 GuShh_ Here we go.
17:39 R0b0t1 GuShh_, did you see article where someone generated and selected for FPGA configurations to differentiate tones?
17:39 robotustra they do errors
17:39 robotustra a lot of them
17:39 GuShh_ robotustra: Did you read what I said?
17:39 GuShh_ I trained them to the point where it was just a "memory bank", very low error rate.
17:39 robotustra not sure
17:39 R0b0t1 They had no idea how it worked and it relied on device parasitics and inter-chip interference.
17:39 GuShh_ and I've used them with mostly clean data to be recognized.
17:39 R0b0t1 So, I think they kind of implemented a silicon neuron.
17:39 GuShh_ robotustra: The best analogy would be captchas
17:39 GuShh_ but it wasn't captchas.
17:40 GuShh_ R0b0t1: interesting
17:40 robotustra R0b0t1
17:40 robotustra silicon is not "a la mode" now
17:40 GuShh_ robotustra: I have no interest in neural networks other than for solving specific problems
17:40 robotustra nanotubes
17:41 robotustra they consume less
17:41 R0b0t1 wat problums
17:41 robotustra 1 electron trasistors
17:41 GuShh_ There are those who use tools, and those who pretend to make tools but never in their entire life have they managed to use them.
17:41 GuShh_ R0b0t1: It was for basic shape recognition
17:42 R0b0t1 Do you not like kernels for some reason?
17:42 R0b0t1 And, er... that one thing I forget.
17:42 GuShh_ It had to be NN based, slightly differences in how the fonts were rendered meant you couldn't perform a bit comparison and expect it to work throuhgout
17:42 GuShh_ slight*
17:42 robotustra GuShh_: I already came to the stage when mass producing tool do not fit my demandes
17:42 R0b0t1 How they recognize human faces. They walk a light/dark area compare over it
17:42 GuShh_ robotustra: your delusional demands
17:43 GuShh_ Huh?
17:43 robotustra AFM
17:43 GuShh_ However you process the data before feeding it to the NN is irrelevant here :p
17:43 robotustra nanotubes manipulator
17:43 GuShh_ I was doing basic image manipulation beforehand (registration and balancing)
17:43 R0b0t1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WCXW2Zyv7c
17:43 robotustra I what to do quantum devices at home
17:43 R0b0t1 Can't do that with text?
17:44 R0b0t1 It's also easily parallelizable
17:44 GuShh_ I don't use lousy ass open libraries like that one
17:44 R0b0t1 Forget the library ._.
17:44 GuShh_ they're slow, cumbersome... need I go any further
17:45 GuShh_ R0b0t1: lots of ways to perform face detection (not to be confused with face recognition)
17:45 R0b0t1 Ah right
17:45 R0b0t1 Well, I am pretty sure detection follows a similar but more tuned patter
17:46 R0b0t1 n
17:46 GuShh_ detection is straight forward, recognition requires analysing each parameter against a known database
17:46 GuShh_ on a bit level, with relatively uniform lighting, a face provides a distinct shape
17:47 R0b0t1 They have ones that work in various scenes, but I think they rely on a dearth of information
17:47 GuShh_ Cameras use the absolute most basic methods
17:47 GuShh_ usually bitmasking related
17:48 GuShh_ R0b0t1: which can be used for your first detection stage, allows you to register a specific point to obtain measurements of each region of the face
17:49 GuShh_ R0b0t1: But what happens when you turn your head, or twist it, what if the light is uneven
17:49 GuShh_ And you can't have a depth field because it's an RGB image
17:49 R0b0t1 They can do that too
17:49 R0b0t1 requires training but afterwards it is fast
17:49 GuShh_ you can do a lot if you have specific metering (depth is an important aspect)
17:50 R0b0t1 I think the methods you were applying with a NN are being applied in a way more conducive to modern computing format
17:50 GuShh_ You can't really "train" it to recognize any face, each NN is trained for each individual.
17:50 GuShh_ I wasn't doing recognition, that's the key.
17:50 GuShh_ How can you make sure it's not a photograph of the person?
17:50 GuShh_ Without depth probing
17:51 GuShh_ So now you border the security aspect of such recognition systems
17:51 R0b0t1 If you can depth probe with NN you can depth probe with some other method
17:52 GuShh_ If all you have is an RGB input from a webcam, it's very hard to determine whether the face it's trying to analyse is not a photograph of said face.
17:52 R0b0t1 But you can with NN?
17:52 R0b0t1 Why?
17:52 GuShh_ You can perform bitmasking before sending the data to the NN
17:52 GuShh_ And have a set of defining rules
17:53 GuShh_ (Other manipulation methods can be used...)
17:53 R0b0t1 Hmm
17:53 GuShh_ If it's a printed face, on a piece of rectangular paper, against a contrasting background, you can easily detect that and rule it out.
17:53 R0b0t1 I still don't think there is anything that could not be done with the walking light/dark mask that NN can do.
17:54 GuShh_ If you train it specifically for each person, it's a very efficient way of doing it.
17:54 GuShh_ Say, you make this person sit on a light booth and pictures are taken with different types of lighting (revolving, etc)
17:54 GuShh_ That's a very strong data-set for that particular individual
17:55 R0b0t1 I see
17:56 GuShh_ So unless they've done that to you when you went to get a new ID, what you see on the movies is bullshit.
17:57 GuShh_ Anyway, face detection and tracking is not difficult on normal constraints
17:58 GuShh_ robotustra: "why buy a QCTP when I can make one?" http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/qctp/qctp.gif heh
17:58 GuShh_ Well I can't, he can http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/qctp/qctp-e.htm
18:00 GuShh_ Looks like the finish he gives his steel parts is chemical based (like a gun-blue kit)
18:00 GuShh_ So it must be mostly aesthetic, I don't think it's as strong as a series of quenching baths?, Or does it penetrate just as deep?
18:01 R0b0t1 Well they could maybe trail it lazily
18:01 R0b0t1 have very stringent criteria for a match if only given your ID picture
18:01 GuShh_ He doesn't say how it's blued
18:01 R0b0t1 and slowly build an index of pictures of you
18:02 GuShh_ R0b0t1: what about some massive plastic surgery?
18:03 GuShh_ Or, you could've taken the picture with some heavy makeup on. Say silicone prosthetics
18:03 GuShh_ Where you can change every parameter of your actual face, enough as to fool them.
18:03 GuShh_ You / they --- Here, in some cases, you can actually provide your own picture, but of course you had to present it in person, and they compare -visually-
18:04 GuShh_ Otherwise it's taken with a cheap digicam and they won't take another picture if you don't like it.
18:04 GuShh_ That's why most people look like they're drunk and high on something when you look at their ID
18:05 poli hello my good people of #robotics!
18:05 GuShh_ Digits wise, they scan them with a very cheap commercially available fingerprint scanner.
18:05 GuShh_ But prior to that the samples are taken with real ink.
18:05 GuShh_ Which if done improperly, are null.
18:06 GuShh_ Like mine are.
18:06 Shh_ g
18:07 GuShh_ poli: say hi to causative as well?
18:07 R0b0t1 GuShh_: If it would fool the machine it would usually fool a person
18:08 R0b0t1 I've seen makeup to thwart detection but it relies on massive variance of luminance in unexpected pattern
18:08 GuShh_ they shouldn't allow you to ink your own fingers. I added extra ink as to fully saturate each digit print, the worker doesn't give a crap, and possibly doesn't know what you're up to....
18:08 causative jesus fucking christ, stfu GuShh_ , what the hell is your problem anyway
18:08 GuShh_ As for the digital scanner, very low resolution.
18:08 GuShh_ causative: what?
18:09 causative I'd /ignore you but on the other hand I don't see any reason to stick around
18:09 GuShh_ I'm including you to a conversation...
18:09 GuShh_ Bah.
18:11 GuShh_ Nice tool for those without a mill http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/slotter/slotting_tool-e.htm
18:11 GuShh_ ...or a broaching set
18:13 b0t1 pokes p
18:13 R0b0t1 If I get printed I'll try that GuShh_, but I expect the officer to balk
18:14 GuShh_ Now you made it sound like I've been to jail or something
18:14 GuShh_ It was standard practice for when they implemented the new ID system heh
18:14 R0b0t1 Well, in US, only get printed if you go through the justice system
18:14 GuShh_ I know.
18:14 GuShh_ But in theory when you are born, you should be printed
18:14 GuShh_ and after a few years too.
18:15 R0b0t1 Footprints are taken at birth
18:15 R0b0t1 I'm not sure of anything later
18:15 GuShh_ Yeah actually footprints are also taken here.
18:16 GuShh_ (why though?)
18:16 R0b0t1 afaik that's for identification within the hospital
18:16 R0b0t1 nothing else really
18:16 GuShh_ are they not as developed as your fingerprints
18:16 R0b0t1 I think it's a question of being easier to obtain and recognize
18:16 GuShh_ I'm not sure if the prints taken during the ID process are given to the police.
18:16 GuShh_ R0b0t1: and yet, if you wanted, you could swap babies rather easily in most parts of the world
18:16 R0b0t1 I'd assume not, but they never get destroyed
18:16 GuShh_ Happens all the time as well...
18:18 Shh_ steals R0b0t1's ba
18:18 GuShh_ Bah causative got mad and refuses to join back.
18:19 GuShh_ Well, I tried.
18:55 GuShh_ poli: 45.000 heading your way to see the pope
18:55 GuShh_ most by bus...
18:56 GuShh_ people seem happy about it, I just wonder if there won't be a confused group trying to make a stand wtr the government issues.
19:50 MrCurious $99 of aluminum acquired 2 x 5' boards
19:51 Tom_itx what for?
19:51 MrCurious cnc build
19:52 Tom_itx cnc of what sort?
19:52 MrCurious robotustra: keeps showing me his cnc and its production, and makes me covet one
19:52 Tom_itx it should
19:52 MrCurious his or mine
19:52 Tom_itx what's he make?
19:52 MrCurious robots
19:52 Tom_itx what are you gonna make?
19:52 MrCurious did you really just ask that?
19:53 Tom_itx plasma?
19:53 MrCurious robots
19:53 Tom_itx pfft
19:53 MrCurious got a porter cable router for it
19:55 Tom_itx got design plans?
19:57 MrCurious nope
19:57 MrCurious winging it
19:57 MrCurious they practically build themselves
19:57 Tom_itx you gonna use linuxcnc?
19:58 MrCurious thats the hope
19:58 Tom_itx i like it
19:58 MrCurious not sure what i will use to make the drawings and turn it to g-code
19:58 Tom_itx they've got some free stuff that works ok i think
19:58 Tom_itx sheetcam is one i think
19:58 Tom_itx cambam maybe
19:59 MrCurious windows
19:59 MrCurious hmmm
19:59 Tom_itx there may be some others
20:00 Tom_itx i don't know since i have a commercial package already
20:00 Tom_itx you seen my sherline stuff?
20:01 MrCurious no
20:01 MrCurious show me please
20:01 MrCurious cnc pics are like porn
20:01 Tom_itx it's kinda scattered all over right now
20:01 GuShh_ Did it went off?
20:02 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline_index.php
20:02 Tom_itx the original setup
20:03 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu_index.php
20:03 Tom_itx the power supply/driver upgrade
20:03 GuShh_ Tom_itx: is sherline a rebrand?
20:03 Tom_itx no
20:04 MrCurious nice idea. sacrificial table
20:04 GuShh_ looks very much like the "MICRO MILL X1"
20:04 GuShh_ don't know the exact model numbers
20:04 MrCurious power supply looks a bit on the underpowered side
20:04 MrCurious you going to upgrade it ?
20:04 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
20:04 Tom_itx MrCurious, did you see the new one?
20:04 MrCurious the second link yeah
20:05 Tom_itx sarcasm?
20:05 MrCurious yeah
20:05 Tom_itx 45v 18A
20:05 MrCurious did it work?
20:05 Tom_itx very well
20:05 Tom_itx made a pendant for it too
20:05 Tom_itx no recent pics of it
20:05 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
20:06 MrCurious man totally want a cnc working now
20:06 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
20:06 Tom_itx modified linuxcnc a bit
20:07 GuShh_ why don't you start by CNCing your mill, MrCurious?
20:07 MrCurious its a catch 22
20:07 MrCurious oh!
20:07 MrCurious nah
20:07 MrCurious the mill still works
20:07 MrCurious using it to make the cnc
20:07 GuShh_ I'm sure Tom_itx's worked manually as well
20:07 GuShh_ You could CNC it to help you make a bigger CNC
20:08 Tom_itx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhU7S8kifJ4&feature=youtu.be
20:08 GuShh_ Two primary ways to modify one, you inline motors (and decide with an extended shaft to keep manual control) or you couple the motor on the side with a belt or similar system. Doesn't mean you can't use it manually anymore
20:08 MrCurious my mill has issues, like when i lower the quill it doesnt lower, then it drops
20:08 GuShh_ All chinese equipment has issues!
20:09 MrCurious yeah
20:09 GuShh_ MrCurious: how heavy is the quill
20:09 Tom_itx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEqokrtFI4&feature=youtu.be
20:09 MrCurious very pretty pennant
20:09 MrCurious apparently not heavy enough
20:09 GuShh_ maybe it needs a spring assist
20:09 GuShh_ or it's sticking for other reasons
20:10 MrCurious it has one, i think it needs less of one
20:10 MrCurious or tighter gears
20:10 MrCurious will likely work on tuning it come xmas
20:10 MrCurious or sell it once i make a cnc
20:10 Tom_itx also a touch probe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGuV86Su430&feature=youtu.be
20:11 MrCurious did you tap all the holes in the bed?
20:11 Tom_itx of course
20:11 GuShh_ tighter gears?
20:12 GuShh_ you mean it's a backlash problem?
20:12 GuShh_ there's something bent or not properly assembled I think
20:12 MrCurious yes
20:12 MrCurious every axis has severe backlash
20:13 MrCurious have not worked out how to fix it yet
20:13 GuShh_ you need to adjust those things
20:13 GuShh_ see if the leadscrew nuts are adjustable
20:13 GuShh_ (2, 3 screws where they're mounted)
20:13 GuShh_ don't be shy to take it all apart heh
20:14 MrCurious its not teh appart that is difficult
20:14 MrCurious its the together
20:14 MrCurious always have leftovers
20:14 GuShh_ pics and annotations
20:14 GuShh_ maybe you need a better system
20:14 MrCurious i think so
20:14 GuShh_ for instance, place fasteners where you took them from.
20:14 GuShh_ instead of leaving them around
20:14 MrCurious when the weather gets cooler i will replace some nylon gears in it
20:14 GuShh_ place parts in order
20:14 MrCurious that i shattered
20:14 GuShh_ of assembly
20:15 MrCurious i should just video tape dissasembly
20:15 GuShh_ that works too
20:15 GuShh_ unless you tape it from a single angle
20:15 GuShh_ and most of the action is behind camera.
20:15 Shh_ g
20:15 Tom_itx i've done that beforee
20:15 Tom_itx or pics at least
20:15 GuShh_ Pics + voice annotations work too
20:15 MrCurious i think if i would have just bought 80:20 i would be done by now
20:15 GuShh_ You can add voice notes on most cameras
20:17 GuShh_ wonder how precise these are http://www.tools4cheap.net/proddetail.php?prod=123blocks
20:18 GuShh_ And if hardened at all
20:18 Tom_itx they're probably close enough for you
20:18 Tom_itx i got a cheap pair and they're ok
20:19 GuShh_ MrCurious: did you get some of those grown up legos for your mill?
20:20 GuShh_ The pair they had at the store was not tapped, I'm not sure what it was. It looked like a 1-2-3... but it wasn't quite?
20:20 MrCurious u have a vice for it
20:20 Tom_itx what do you do with the tapped holes?
20:20 GuShh_ MrCurious: these help you setup your work
20:20 GuShh_ Tom_itx: helps bolt two blocks together, for one
20:21 GuShh_ So maybe these were just to bolt to a bed, and nothing else
20:21 GuShh_ I didn't agree with the price anyway.
20:22 GuShh_ Oh OK so now I see, they've got precision "matched" sets and then cheaper stuff for most applications
20:23 GuShh_ Interesting how even these things can cost quite a bit of money
20:23 Tom_itx the degree of certificaton bears on the price too
20:23 GuShh_ "if it exists, there ought to be a precision version"
20:24 GuShh_ I certify that they're blocky.
20:24 robotustra hm
20:24 robotustra falling skies s3e7
20:25 MrCurious emmm
20:26 robotustra have you already seen it?
20:28 MrCurious have you tried milling a gear yet?
20:29 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/reprap/drive6.jpg
20:30 MrCurious wonder why there are no linux cad to g-code converters
20:30 MrCurious scratch that
20:30 MrCurious sheet cam is linux too
20:33 robotustra MrCurious: I milled already 6 mills
20:33 robotustra gears
20:35 robotustra I draw gears in cad and generated g-code after
20:35 Tom_itx what cad do you use?
20:35 robotustra t-flex
20:35 Tom_itx never heard of it
20:36 robotustra google will help you
20:36 robotustra it's a secret russian weapon against joint enemies :)
20:37 robotustra russian answer to SolidWorks
20:37 Tom_itx i dunno, first google hit was a pair of shoes
20:38 robotustra http://www.tflex.com/
20:38 Tom_itx i found it
20:38 MrCurious anyone use this? http://slic3r.org/
20:38 Tom_itx just odd the first hit was shoes
20:38 robotustra http://www.tflex.com/nv_cad_12.htm
20:38 Tom_itx MrCurious, if you like to write cad instead of visualizing it
20:39 Tom_itx reprappers use it
20:39 robotustra may be google knows that you are advanced shoes buyer?
20:41 robotustra Nekros: hi pirate
20:45 MrCurious http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
20:56 robotustra acording to the pictures on the bottom of the page it generates shitty code
20:57 robotustra there is another g-code generator which is smaller and free
20:57 robotustra and generate it form STL file
20:59 robotustra draw part in any cad, export to STL and generate it. google pycam
21:01 MrCurious thanks
21:06 robotustra but I don't think that it's a good idea to mill parts using this approach
21:06 MrCurious just looking to get a foot hold
21:06 MrCurious on the cheap
21:07 MrCurious my expensive spart fun terminals should get here tomorrow
21:08 robotustra congrats
21:08 robotustra show me what are you going to mill?
21:09 robotustra I trained to mill 2d parts for a 6 months before I did my first 3d milling
21:10 robotustra for most of construction I don't need 3d, 2.5d is more than enouph
21:15 MrCurious so far, nothing planed :) perhaps some spiral drill holes
21:18 MrCurious robotustra: does your cnc use a parallel port or usb or serial?
21:21 robotustra parallel
21:21 robotustra I don't beleive in USB
21:21 robotustra USB is not real time
21:31 robotustra actually it's real time if to send sygnals from host to device
21:31 robotustra but reverce it has delays
21:32 Tom_itx i use parport but send to a fpga board that does all the timing
21:32 Tom_itx and alot more io
21:32 robotustra which board
21:37 Tom_itx mesa
21:37 Tom_itx http://www.mesanet.com/
21:37 Tom_itx i've got the 7i43 on the parport
21:38 Tom_itx click on the 'anything io fpga cards'
21:38 Tom_itx the daughter cards are just below them
21:48 robotustra nice
21:49 robotustra one day I'll be able to FPGA
21:49 Tom_itx it was well worth it
21:49 Tom_itx big performance increase
21:55 robotustra of cnc mill?
22:06 GuShH Tom_itx: did you make those worm gears on the lathe using a tap?
22:07 GuShH darn china, never trust a keyway to be properly deburred.
22:07 ShH idly dribbles blood all over robotustra's keyb
22:07 GuShH At least the wood lathe is a lot quieter now. They failed to mention an oiling port in the shaft of the motor, which lubricates the variable pulley
22:09 GuShH belt already shows signs of wear on the sides... but at least it's a proper belt, unlike the one on the metal lathe
22:10 GuShH Also found why there's some vibration, the fixed portion of that pulley is not running perfectly true
22:47 GuShH http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-mega-2560-x-3-plus-ramps-14-5-servos-and-more-/200944795078
22:47 GuShH k
22:47 GuShH I wonder if there's more people getting rid of their "arduinos"
22:48 GuShH and whether a) they were not capable of using them or b) they're sick of them
22:51 Jak_o_Shadows arn't those steppers?
22:51 RifRaf yes, thats a handy little reprap starter kit
22:51 Jak_o_Shadows pretty much what I ws thinking
22:52 RifRaf over $200 in parts there and looks unused
22:54 RifRaf have all those same parts on mine
22:54 RifRaf apart from the lcd, got a different one
23:06 GuShH heh feel free to bid
23:07 RifRaf no need
23:07 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows
23:08 RifRaf just replacing bearings, these cheap linear ones don't last long
23:09 RifRaf they rattle like canastas now when shaken
23:14 GuShH RifRaf: due to lack of lubrication or just poor quality
23:14 Jak_o_Shadows haha, i'm tempted
23:14 GuShH I'd go for two regular roller bearings on a V channel instead of cheap ass linear bearings
23:16 RifRaf poor quality, but i am going to lube em up more this time also, they were a bit dry
23:17 RifRaf paid a bit more for these ones, and now have proper bearing holders instead of zipties
23:18 RifRaf so bed should stay level all the time now
23:25 GuShH oh god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOi6EuebL3M
23:25 RifRaf MrCurious, i use slic3r lots
23:26 RifRaf GuShH, The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
23:26 Jak_o_Shadows yep
23:26 GuShH Wot
23:26 GuShH So I can see it and you can't that's odd
23:26 Jak_o_Shadows well., derp actually, that makes sense doesn't it RifRaf
23:26 GuShH I'm not even in the US
23:27 RifRaf dunno why it would be censored here
23:28 GuShH http://teamcoco.com/video/lame-cartel
23:29 GuShH wonder if they pull it from youtube as well
23:31 RifRaf that worked
23:35 RifRaf it might snow here today
23:35 GuShH they said that about our weather... doubtful
23:35 Jak_o_Shadows Same
23:35 GuShH it's snowing down south but meh
23:35 Jak_o_Shadows whichh is crazy if it happens
23:35 GuShH yeah we had snow 7 years ago, or so
23:35 GuShH it was strange.
23:36 RifRaf well its warm as now, but a change coming, if it does am gonna go up the mountain to try get some pics, is a rare thing
23:36 GuShH 800KM from here it's common to have a snowy winter, but not where I'm at.
23:36 RifRaf down to 800 meters they said, thats about 150km drive for me
23:37 GuShH I have the pics and vids somewhere on a backup heh
23:37 MrCurious walmart has $0.97 solar yard lights
23:37 GuShH useless, but why not buy some
23:37 Jak_o_Shadows They'd be a piece of junk. Battery, resistor, LED, diode
23:38 GuShH and cardboard with a sticker for the second solar cell
23:38 GuShH two nimh cells most likely instead of a proper battery, or if more modern one of those tiny lithium packs
23:38 MrCurious nicd battery, amorphous si 2v panel
23:38 GuShH nicd wasn't banned there?
23:38 MrCurious is it bad?
23:38 GuShH so the yankees say
23:39 GuShH I still have a nickel cadmium screwdriver
23:39 GuShH and it still works perfectly
23:39 MrCurious it develops battery memory, i think
23:39 MrCurious yeah
23:39 GuShH it's over 10 years old, but it wasn't used much
23:39 MrCurious nimh is better
23:39 GuShH depends
23:39 MrCurious lipo better
23:39 GuShH the discharge curve of nicd is better than nimh
23:39 GuShH nimh fades off, nicad almost instantly cuts out
23:39 robotustra nuclear power is better
23:40 GuShH ok?
23:40 GuShH russian nuclear powered screwdriver
23:40 GuShH wouldn't surprise me.
23:40 GuShH I could live in a russian nuclear sub... but on surface
23:40 robotustra yep portable Thorium reactor on fast nuetrons
23:41 robotustra one scoute from US did it when he was 11 yo
23:41 MrCurious anyone use QCad?
23:41 GuShH the one from the story?
23:41 robotustra which story?
23:42 GuShH the one where his shed got taken apart and put into barrels
23:42 GuShH and he obtained it from smoke detectors
23:42 GuShH (although I've only ever seen ones with americum in it)
23:42 robotustra yep
23:42 GuShH americium
23:43 GuShH I have one here
23:43 MrCurious isnt thorium bad to eat?
23:43 robotustra and radium from watch arrows
23:43 robotustra thirium is safe enouph
23:43 robotustra thorium
23:43 GuShH for Russian
23:43 robotustra if not to bombard it with neutrons
23:44 MrCurious didnt the KGB use some nuclear material in some guys tea to kill him
23:44 GuShH o.O
23:44 robotustra polonium
23:44 robotustra I hear about it
23:44 MrCurious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
23:44 MrCurious yeah
23:44 robotustra it's quite expensive poison
23:45 robotustra only government can permit it
23:45 MrCurious aquire it
23:45 robotustra obtanium
23:45 MrCurious i think you meant
23:45 robotustra yes
23:45 MrCurious unobtanium
23:46 GuShH why use that then
23:46 robotustra obtanium for government and unobtanium for others
23:46 robotustra GuShH: to make sure in destiny
23:46 R0b0t1 robotustra, your nick should be robosutra
23:47 GuShH there are other methods
23:47 GuShH lol
23:47 MrCurious lol
23:49 GuShH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz0DGRSYsyY
23:49 robotustra no, it should be robothustra
23:50 GuShH LOAD EJECT
23:50 GuShH "porn and chicken" what the hell is this!
23:50 GuShH R0b0t1: damn you!
23:50 R0b0t1 wat.
23:50 MrCurious Robosapien?
23:51 MrCurious robot chicken
23:51 MrCurious what the hell is an aluminum falcon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0
23:54 GuShH robotustra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qehUdr-d4A
23:59 robotustra training mines