#robotics Logs

Jul 17 2013

09:41 GuShH Just noticed it's like a poor man's paypal
09:44 GuShH Only used it for instant payments by cash at "payment centers"
09:44 GuShH Works but takes 2 days to clear, whereas you could've saved those 2 days had they sent it and accepted cash up front
09:44 GuShH So that's a big one right there, if a seller won't trust me I won't trust them either.
10:24 poli GuShH: It is relatively recent here. There are no real GOOD alternatives, pagseguro, which is the most used, just plain sucks.
10:25 poli GuShH: They won't do real time clearance, you have to wait an undetermined amount of time to get an answer, which could take days.
10:25 GuShH poli: yep 24 to 48hs
10:25 poli GuShH: Paypal is still the best. They are operating locally now, but still very little local use.
10:25 GuShH doesn't make sense
10:25 GuShH we can't use paypal here anymore
10:25 GuShH you can't even transfer within two local accounts anymore
10:25 GuShH cunt president made sure of that.
10:25 GuShH paypal bends over and plays dumb
10:25 GuShH I've had a word with them and that's how they played it.
10:26 GuShH poli: I almost lost my domains because of this, had to ask for favours so I could pay them because they were forcing me to link an international credit card, I couldn't use the balance anymore for that purchase.
10:26 poli ouch
10:27 poli we didn' t get to this level. They tax it, but at least I can use it whenever I want.
10:27 GuShH yeah... and now I'll have to move the domains to a local registrar
10:27 poli You are under price control again, I understand?
10:27 GuShH thing is, an international credit card is not easy to obtain here
10:27 GuShH not anymore
10:27 GuShH poli: we also have new taxing on international purchases
10:27 poli At least here international cards are standard.
10:27 GuShH something like 10% on top of the customs fees and other taxes
10:27 GuShH you can't even go abroad because they won't allow you to spend USD
10:27 poli We got 6.85% since middle of last year.
10:28 GuShH some people are only allowed say 100 a day, in a place where you'd spend that much on chewing gum
10:28 GuShH say japan.
10:28 poli On any spending on foreign currencies.
10:28 GuShH our regular tax is 21% (IVA) and for some items it's 10.5
10:28 GuShH plus the foreign policy which is new
10:28 GuShH something like 10 on top
10:28 GuShH and customs is 50%
10:29 poli The difference is mainly that we are still currency-balanced, while you are trying to mask currency issues. We (luckly) seem to be past that phase.
10:29 GuShH had a word with the owner of that big hardware store yesterday, he's even more upset than I am, because he can't even purchase products...
10:29 poli Inflation is back, but now everyone knows it is government' s fault. So, no need to try that sort of stupid measures anymore.
10:29 GuShH poli: they try to mask, try being the keyword. it's all going down soon if I can get my way.
10:29 GuShH so, local registrar for international domains is the only viable option right now
10:29 GuShH thing is, you can't really trust them
10:30 GuShH poli: what you guys did is fine
10:30 poli that sucks
10:30 GuShH You know, in other countries politicians have regular income
10:30 GuShH they have a small office
10:30 GuShH maybe one helper for every 4 of them
10:30 poli We are on the same boat on that issues.
10:30 GuShH I think that's how it is in Sweden
10:31 GuShH And they live in an assigned apartment
10:31 GuShH They don't even have a maid.
10:31 poli Our politicians use airforce jets to go to weddings.
10:31 GuShH Here, they live like kings, their offices have jacuzzis.
10:31 GuShH Yeah well, ours use the presidential jet to move bags full of euros.
10:31 poli Seen that, been there.
10:32 GuShH I can't fathom how they are still allowed to walk around
10:32 GuShH everyone knows what they're doing
10:32 GuShH nobody does anything about it
10:32 GuShH And when it goes public, that's when police has to play obedient
10:32 GuShH not before calling them to clear out the offices, for example.
10:32 GuShH before they raid them.
10:33 GuShH It's all known, but nobody seems to care.
10:33 poli Our economic issues are at least not been masked. They are manipulating the state-owned companies to try to hold inflation without raising interest again. That is breaking the state-owned companies in the short term. Election is next year, so they will hold prices until October 2014.
10:33 GuShH It's their and my money in those bags, going offshore.
10:33 GuShH poli: and after October it all goes down
10:33 poli considering that the argentinean people was the reference to us as for politically-aware and active, I am really worried about you.
10:34 poli GuShH: After October gas prices will rais 20-30% and PETR4 (state-onwed oil company stock) will raise probably that much.
10:34 GuShH The poor are paid for, so they won't care about this.
10:34 GuShH The rich don't give a shit, they can live with the inflation.
10:35 GuShH And the ones in between, well, they don't seem to have the balls to do anything.
10:35 poli GuShH: Check it on yahoo.com, PERT4 Sao Paulo stock exchange. Seehow the price behaved in the last 3 years. That is the government holding gas prices to contain inflation. It is unbelieavable.
10:35 GuShH When you ban all imports, you basically kill the country. How can industries survive without tools and materials
10:36 GuShH Here, even the president's gardner owns a private helicopter
10:36 GuShH And several hotels.
10:36 GuShH Explain that to me.
10:36 GuShH (And he looks like a hobo)
10:36 poli We are on the same boat, my friend. Latin american politics as usual.
10:37 GuShH http://www.clarin.com/politica/ex-jardinero-helicoptero-propio_0_926907523.html
10:37 GuShH It's all out in the public, everyone just shrugs.
10:37 GuShH Sure it's "just" a Robinson, but they're not cheap. No fucking gardner on earth can possibly afford to own one.
10:38 poli Now that I haven' t seen around here. If they want someone to have money, they just give them some fancy post in the governemnt, not gardner.
10:38 GuShH poli: the presidential jet has been found parked on a hangar rented/owned by some of their money laundering people.
10:38 GuShH It's unbelivable.
10:39 poli Yes it is.
10:39 GuShH Meanwhile the bitch goes to france, spends 40k usd on a purse, then flies back.
10:39 poli Ours spend 2K USD on makeup before going air.
10:39 poli (REALLY!)
10:40 poli Going airto talk about all the manisfations and riots demanding AUSTERITY!
10:41 GuShH They're working off the militant model, early on in schools kids are brain washed. They've taken over the copyrights of a very famous novel/book and replaced the face of the cosmonaut with her husband's. It's fucked up.
10:41 GuShH And because the poor are paid for, they support them as well.
10:42 GuShH poli: They've also modified artists' work to suit their own needs.
10:43 GuShH Without their consent.
10:43 GuShH Actually, this is being proxied and logged before it hits the Miami backbone.
10:44 GuShH They spend more in espionage and illegal activities with regard to this matter, than they do on military equipment, to give you an idea of how much that is.
10:45 GuShH I'm willing to bet they're using the Telecom datacenter for this as well.
10:45 GuShH That's how retarded they are.
10:46 poli I always say that PRISM is the Brazilian government's nirvanna as to internal survaillance.
10:47 poli Government here already gathers and forces you to provide so much information that we are almost there.
10:47 GuShH Here they don't tell you
10:47 GuShH I just know what they're doing.
10:47 GuShH Could probably find their datacenter if I wanted to, but that would get me in jail.
10:47 poli Last violation is a bill project (might become a law) that gives police the right to break your telefone secrecy barrier without any cause.
10:48 GuShH I'd love for someone to set it all on fire.
10:48 poli Including your cell phone position information.
10:48 GuShH Chances are it's not a protected environment.
10:48 poli lol
10:48 poli It is revolting.
10:48 poli I am starting a project now, doing my part.
10:48 GuShH yey
10:49 poli We have a provision for laws to be proposed by the people, without intervention of the congress, but needs to voted, sanctioned etc.
10:49 GuShH To the casual observer we might sound like two anarchists.
10:49 poli You need to collect 1.4 million people supporting a project to get into the official agenda.
10:49 GuShH That's because they don't know what really goes down around here.
10:49 poli 1% of all the voters, in 5 differnt states.
10:50 GuShH Everything works, but only through bribes.
10:50 poli They are trying to "modernize" the legislation to drop that to 700k and accpet internet based requests.
10:50 poli I will create that internet platform and gather volunteen lawmakers to help people achieve the 700k and the bill text to send to congress.
10:51 poli *volunteers
10:51 GuShH The office for retirement services hasn't processed any paperwork in years, they've got folders packed up on the hall, bathroom, etc. Think about it, every folder is a person that is not getting paid their money.
10:52 GuShH I'm actually having to deal with that helping someone from my family
10:52 GuShH I've encountered two attorneys that wanted a bribe
10:52 GuShH You know if I had one or two extra loose screws I might go on a killing spree.
10:53 GuShH Everything is corrupted and nobody does anything about it. Those who pretend to be doing something, are just in it for themselves.
10:55 GuShH lol I think they got to him.
10:55 GuShH poli: o.o
10:57 GuShh_ son of a
10:58 GuShh_ robotustra: did you add a digitizer probe to your cnc yet?
11:37 GuShH bah
20:05 robotustra <GuShh_> robotustra: did you add a digitizer probe to your cnc yet?
20:05 robotustra I'm not going to do this
20:05 robotustra It's for manual control
20:05 robotustra and for cnc which loose steps
20:07 robotustra GuShH: ping
20:12 botustr
20:25 GuShH robotustra: huh?
20:25 GuShH that's not all you can do.
20:26 GuShH you can digitize an existing part, or probe it's contour to modify it on a milling process among other things.
20:26 GuShH it's not just for control
20:27 GuShH you don't loose anything by probing, and if you didn't have enough steps you could interpolate your point cloud, but that doesn't make sense as you'd have the same amount of resolution available for milling.
20:27 GuShH as you'd have for probing.
20:27 GuShH if you don't think it's useful.. you are no fun!
20:28 Tom_itx GuShH, can you see my webpage?
20:29 GuShH I'm not sure what type of probe you were thinking about, I'm merely talking about a micro-switch with a plunger mechanism, where a closed (or open) contact would indicate the software to stop and account for the current depth, then use Z for XY on the new point and continue.
20:29 GuShH Tom_itx: port 81? no
20:29 Tom_itx you are blocked?
20:29 GuShH Not Found
20:29 GuShH The requested URL / was not found on this server.
20:29 GuShH port 80 is not responding
20:29 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/index.php
20:29 Jak_o_Shadows I got it, if it's the /topic
20:30 GuShH works
20:30 Tom_itx does it load ok?
20:30 GuShH http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/ doesnt, but the other one does.
20:30 Jak_o_Shadows yeah.
20:30 GuShH New router all setup then?
20:30 Tom_itx mostly
20:30 Jak_o_Shadows Yeah, I agree with GuShH
20:30 Tom_itx seem any quicker?
20:31 GuShH oww espresso shot wasn't a good idea after supper
20:31 GuShH hard to say
20:31 GuShH it doesn't feel slower than the average website
20:31 Tom_itx ok
20:32 Tom_itx i was looking at a different modem too
20:32 ShH is still using mostly tp
20:33 Tom_itx well mine is pretty dated
20:33 Tom_itx i'm sure i'm not getting the bandwidth i'm paying for
20:33 GuShH of that I'm sure myself, but it's their fault.
20:34 GuShH now as to how on earth the McDonalds 5 blocks from here has a 50 times faster connection, remains a mystery.
20:35 GuShH I'm thinking they've got a deal with one of the local cellphone company, possibly some fancy wireless link/s
20:36 GuShH I know there has to be something better, lots of industries around here
20:36 GuShH the Ford assembly plant is about 10KM from where I'm at
20:36 GuShH As is the VW one
20:36 GuShH (And they don't have any connectivity issues clearly)
20:37 GuShH Tom_itx: what's that sprayer project all about?
20:37 Tom_itx what's all this channel bonding crap?
20:37 Tom_itx i did that for a friend
20:38 GuShH Tom_itx: never used it, I think it's like a bridge
20:38 GuShH or simply a combination of the two
20:39 GuShH hmm Fowler is a chinese rebrand?
20:39 GuShH Also it seems Starrett is not what it used to be.
20:39 GuShH All hype.
20:39 Tom_itx nothing is what it used to be
20:40 GuShH I'll get a used mitutoyo or similar probably, later on. Instead of something new.
20:40 GuShH This chinese dial indicator seems very well suited for what I want it.
20:41 Tom_itx ok i gotta shut down so i can move some wires around
20:41 GuShH what exactly is "laminated thread" sounds like instead of cutting they're pushing the metal
20:42 Tom_itx ?
20:42 GuShH Maybe something got lost in the translation
20:42 Tom_itx no idea
20:42 GuShH As I'm talking to a "spanish" manufacturer and that's the word he used, laminated.
20:42 GuShH (I asked if the all-thread he sells was cut or formed)
20:42 Tom_itx woven
20:43 GuShH like thread rolling?
20:43 Tom_itx most of it is rolled i think
20:43 GuShH that's maybe what he meant
20:43 Tom_itx you can tell by looking at it
20:43 GuShH so it's all cold formed, hrm.
20:45 GuShH I always thought formed threads were worse, but all I've been reading suggests otherwise
20:45 GuShH Has something changed? heh
20:48 GuShH these guys will even roll acme threads, but still, I always thought rolled were lower quality, but maybe that was because it's generally used on low quality materials for cost reasons...
20:51 Jak_o_Shadows Rolled threads are more wear resistant, and are stronger
20:52 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: but since I've mostly encountered them on cheap nuts and low grade all-thread, always assumed they were of lesser quality
20:52 GuShH well maybe the term for nuts is "formed"
20:59 Jak_o_Shadows Perhaps. To be honest, i'm a tad hazy on how you get thread on the inside of a hole
21:06 robotustra ah
21:06 robotustra a probe
21:18 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: at home? if it's too small, a tap, if it's too big, a boring bar and a 60 or 55� tip?
21:22 robotustra but to digitize it should be a software
21:22 GuShH robotustra: well, I just asked about the probe if you were going to make one, that's all.
21:22 GuShH it's all software
21:23 robotustra I don't know wheather it's possible to digitize with Mach3
21:23 GuShH minus the fancy switch
21:23 robotustra may be
21:23 GuShH no clue
21:23 GuShH never used it
21:23 Jak_o_Shadows No, just anywhere, at all, completely. Also, I knew about dies, but I momentarily forgot about taps
21:23 robotustra but not now
21:23 GuShH how much is it
21:23 robotustra 0
21:23 GuShH I thought it wasn't free
21:23 robotustra not free but 0
21:23 GuShH Ok so Russian "free"
21:24 robotustra yep
21:24 GuShH bah!
21:24 GuShH looks like it costs about 170 usd
21:24 robotustra for 5$ in russia you can buy what ever fit CD-R
21:24 GuShH yeah same here
21:24 GuShH at the train station, etc.
21:25 GuShH it annoys the living shit out of me
21:25 GuShH that's even more illegal.
21:25 robotustra starting form office and ending with SQL servers and Visual Studio 2012
21:25 GuShH You could argue "it's for my own use, I'm not selling it" but you can't argue "I'm illegally downloading it and then I'm reselling it, also illegally"
21:25 GuShH here they even sell complete tv series
21:25 GuShH etc.
21:26 GuShH for dummies who don't know how to download it or don't want to wait a few hours
21:26 robotustra the same story
21:26 GuShH I'd have them shot if I could.
21:26 Jak_o_Shadows It's the difference between copyright infringement and something that should carry real penalties
21:26 robotustra it was a story recently
21:27 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: I need a good tap and die set...
21:27 GuShH can't find one that doesn't cost a fortune
21:27 robotustra one old gentelmen, wrote movies on 35000 CD s and send them to american solders to Iraq
21:27 robotustra for his own money
21:28 botustra fuck off Holly
21:28 Tom_itx ok back in a few hopefully
21:28 GuShH I've got some holy wood for ya
21:28 robotustra he spent about 70k
21:29 GuShH robotustra: good news, I cut another one of the 23cm parts for the lathe stand
21:29 GuShH 4 remaining
21:37 GuShH some fingers too
21:38 robotustra and for electronics also soldering station, radio parts, oscilloscope, generatiors, power supply
21:38 GuShH shelve goes "crack"
21:38 GuShH sorry "shelf"
21:38 robotustra nope
21:38 GuShH you'd shelve that stuff, on a shelf.
21:39 GuShH robotustra: my second gripe with MDF and particleboard is that when it goes, it goes. It's not like wood...
21:39 GuShH Seems MDF will take a lot of detail, but you need to cut it very fast.
21:40 GuShH I can't stand the smell of that stuff though
21:42 theBear fast and sharp
21:42 robotustra it's not mdf
21:42 theBear and the smell is poison/bad
21:42 robotustra it's compressed chips
21:42 GuShH robotustra: yes that's what I call particle board
21:43 GuShH theBear: well, yes... but I thought they changed it
21:43 GuShH I'd still rather work with real wood if I can
21:43 GuShH MDF is similar but it's powder and a bonding agent, pressure "cooked"
21:43 robotustra I also, but there is no wood in canada anymore
21:44 GuShH o.O
21:44 robotustra look at the map
21:44 GuShH what about maple? :p
21:44 robotustra there is no forests around Montreal
21:44 robotustra the neares forest is in 140 km from Montreal
21:45 robotustra Canada is BALD
21:45 robotustra shaved
21:45 GuShH eh!
21:49 GuShH robotustra: you should've brought wood from Russia
21:50 robotustra but that canadian pricks they don't allow to bring wood from other countries
21:50 robotustra they warry about bugs
21:50 robotustra that can come with the wood
21:50 robotustra all wood in canada is poisoned with chemicals
21:50 GuShH so Russian wood is stronger?
21:51 Tom_itx alaska wood is the best
21:51 GuShH "shot by palin"
21:51 Tom_itx no, it's very old wood
21:51 GuShH like Palin
21:52 robotustra Alaska used to be a part of russia
21:52 robotustra long time ago
21:52 robotustra the best wood is from syberia
21:53 robotustra but I think canadian maple is good for violins
21:53 robotustra but it's better to take european spruce
21:54 GuShH in a few years you'll be making them out of MDF
21:54 GuShH haha
21:54 e_house beats robotustra over the head with a vi
21:54 robotustra rue_house: barbarian
21:58 rue_house *plang* *plang* hear the quality sound? *plang* *plang*
21:58 rue_house I got a "342w" RC motor today
21:58 GuShH you should screw it onto the violin
21:58 rue_house gonna see if I can get 342w out of it
21:58 rue_house heh flying violin
21:59 GuShH still doesn't beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRslKeT0EmQ
22:00 robotustra http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maholet/24765393/355/355_600.jpg
22:00 GuShH robotustra: looks very shootable
22:02 GuShH hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=so_4qX3nrkc&feature=fvwp
22:03 theBear makes more sense than a flying scotsman or a flying nun
22:04 GuShH ohh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQVCBr0kkd4&feature=endscreen&NR=1
22:05 GuShH crazy asians
22:06 GuShH looks like 4 x 52cc gas engines
22:07 GuShH horrible landing, too windy though
22:10 GuShH https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=zSHYpM1JDKE&NR=1
22:10 GuShH I would've beat the heli guy to within an inch of his life with his own radio.
22:12 Jak_o_Shadows damn that's a bad landing lol
22:12 robotustra I have to crash mine this summer
22:12 robotustra it's still waiting for it's turn
22:13 GuShH hmm
22:13 GuShH "I have to crash mine against someone's expensive rc plane"
22:13 robotustra I don't know where to fly in Mintreal
22:13 robotustra Montreal
22:13 GuShH what do you have
22:14 GuShH you should make a flying violin
22:14 robotustra http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18654__Extra_330L_3D_Balsa_980mm_ARF_.html
22:14 theBear make a flying scotsman
22:15 GuShH robotustra: what engine
22:15 robotustra the coloring is exactly the same
22:15 GuShH well that's what happens when you buy ARTF
22:16 GuShH robotustra: I guess electric
22:16 GuShH should've been gasoline.
22:16 robotustra yes
22:17 GuShH how did you order it? "hello, yes, I would like the gayest Extra 330 please!"
22:17 GuShH "why certainly! electric and pink!"
22:17 ShH hifives the
22:18 GuShH Hmmm no reply from the store, already paid for all the stuff... They better not think they can get away with it!
22:27 robotustra GuShH: prick
22:27 eBear doesn't think they can get away with i
22:28 theBear hehe,someone linked to a website in us with guns made for kids... all these cute 1/2 to 3/4 size bolt action rifles and things, and many with stuff like electric pink fake woodgrain butts :)
22:29 robotustra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90vnB6gUME
22:30 theBear on a serious note tho, wtf ? they market GUNS to kids young enough to want ones with hot pink butts !
22:31 theBear i mean, maybe a 10y.old can fire a gun under supervision, MAYBE, but they shouldn't own one !
22:31 theBear damn ! that's quite a landing !
22:31 theBear holy crap ! i thought that was a model
22:32 theBear not sure which woulda been more impressive, but still, nice landing
22:33 robotustra ass
22:33 theBear you are !
22:33 robotustra I mean ase
22:33 robotustra ace
22:33 theBear and i, got things to do :)
22:33 theBear lol
22:33 theBear nevertheless, seacrest out
22:34 robotustra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKojXTWJIhg
22:34 robotustra 39 km
22:56 MrCurious what a day...
22:56 MrCurious i learned today that my belly knows how to make the Q-bert jumping noise...
22:56 MrCurious if that is not a resumee worthy skill, i dont know what one is
22:56 robotustra :)
22:57 MrCurious not too many puppeteers awake tonight...
23:00 MrCurious i get active and everyone hides...
23:00 MrCurious found a set of 4 mecanum wheels for $45 today
23:00 MrCurious color me tempted
23:21 ShH colors MrCurious hot
23:40 GuShH theBear: I wonder if there's anything worth salvaging from these cars? http://gushh.net/tmp/p16-07-13_15.54.jpg of course they're near a police department, but they've even got cars around the block!
23:40 GuShH Heh I also wonder who actually owns them at that point
23:42 Jak_o_Shadows I need to put a wrist joint in. I have wrist twist, but not wrist yaw, on my robot arm.
23:46 GuShH heh you look up "iphone 5 sample photos" and they are clearly not taken with an iphone, or were taken in a studio or just in general taken by a professional
23:46 GuShH you look at a real picture taken by someone you know, and it looks like a 50 dollar cellphone pic.