#robotics Logs
Jul 13 2013
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01:30 rue_house t
01:31 rue_house I was surprised it could handle supersonic speeds
01:32 rue_house tho iirc the spedometer went funny at 300km/hr, but the odometer kept track
01:37 GuShH rue_house: you are going to strip the tiny gears inside
01:38 GuShH unless you're talking fully digital, but you mentioned an S10
02:57 rue_house hah, no its a stepper motor in there
02:58 rue_house I dont do over 300km/hr often
03:14 MrCurious you ever want to derail a conversation, but feel to tired to do it well
03:14 Jak_o_Shadows SQUIRREL
03:14 theBear AARRGHH !!! WHERE !??!??!?!
03:15 theBear 'ang on ang on, i'm not scared of cure little squirrels :)
03:15 MrCurious rue_house: robustra, GuShH are the 3 inspirations to me in this channel
03:15 theBear aww man !
03:15 rue_house KUKACHABRA!
03:15 theBear Jak_o_Shadows, we lose, forget this dude
03:15 MrCurious the bear is there when i need a side kick
03:15 MrCurious but the bear doesnt make stuff
03:15 Jak_o_Shadows haha
03:16 theBear i make stuff, i made a table that says FOOL just today !
03:16 theBear been a few years since i driven a servo or a stepper for non-work related reasons tho <grin>
03:16 MrCurious i am a troll, tha twas bait. sry
03:16 theBear gettin close again, had my tom/rif boards and a babyboard3 in my hands today !
03:17 MrCurious bear, if you tried, you could be one of the greats here!
03:17 rue_house I still say mine is the best board, cause of all the accessories yo udont have
03:17 theBear MrCurious, aww, <blush> i like you again now
03:18 theBear rue_house, hehe, you made me laugh with my outside voice
03:18 MrCurious i never stopped liking you :_)
03:18 Jak_o_Shadows I'm currently argueing with blender, as it comes with python 3, but doesn't include python 3 sockets. However, I made a gui for moving servos around today
03:18 theBear meh, i got 2 servos, they plug in
03:18 MrCurious played with a stepper driver tonight, got about 60 rpm for 15V 0.11A
03:19 MrCurious with a holding draw of 15v 0.01A
03:20 theBear err, ok, seems a strange combination of numbers without knowing anything else about it, but cool
03:20 MrCurious do you get blasted with memories of youth... where it just hits you and rolls over you like wave, and is hard to resist partaking in?
03:21 theBear lol i do... last night was talking to my first, and most recent gf on the old tellingbone... we did some reminiscage... known each other 20 years now, damned long time, almost 2/3 our age
03:22 MrCurious i wish i could work out how to block that and live in teh now
03:23 theBear meh, be proud that you can remember stuff, unlike most of society these days, drifting thru life without even their 5% of brain capacity turned on
03:27 MrCurious i find its hard to turn the creativity off
03:27 MrCurious to the point where i can focus and be the flashlight of make it happen
03:27 MrCurious anyone know if there is a cure for that
03:27 MrCurious i am all over the map
03:28 MrCurious seems once you work out how to think outside of the box... its hard to get back inside
04:18 poli So
04:18 poli Which electronics CAD should I re-start learning these days?
04:18 poli eagle?
04:19 poli EDA
04:20 RifRaf eagle
04:25 poli RifRaf: thanks!
04:28 poli RifRaf: just go with the freeware?
04:29 RifRaf poli, till you need bigger boards yep, you will be able to learn fine with it
04:31 poli RifRaf: Thanks again.
10:00 GuShH noooo customs notice
10:03 GuShH if they make me travel 100KM just to receive a thread pitch gage I'm going to set their entire building on fire.
10:11 GuShH as the actual cost of gasoline or ANY possible fare is way higher than the cost of the gage.
10:11 GuShH plus you lose an entire day going there
10:15 GuShH MrCurious: inspiration? I'm not into robotics and if I had my way I'd probably have all politicians and corrupt assholes impaled. But that's just normal thinking right?
10:15 GuShH rue_house: does "TESA" make good micrometers? their ISOMASTER series
10:16 GuShH there's an ETALON too, but costs twice as much
10:16 GuShH with an analog readout, neat.
10:16 GuShH There are supposed to be swiss made
10:18 GuShH Hrmm maybe TESA was their low end brand
10:23 GuShH looks like they were two companies and tesa bought etalon?
10:24 m_itx wonders about GuShH's table prog
10:26 GuShH http://www.amazon.com/Brown-Sharpe-TESA-Micrometer-Graduation/dp/B001BY3AYM that's the model, but the price is a lot lower, which makes me wonder about it's real condition.
10:26 GuShH Tom_itx: still 50%
10:26 GuShH But I finished the sink in the meantime, since that had a higher priority.
10:27 GuShH And today I'll most likely become Mr. Chainsaw for a while. A couple trees need my attention.
10:28 GuShH There's a branch hanging from some other dead branches, right over the driveway...
10:28 rue_bed all the micrometers that are sub-$100 are different brandings of the same cheap chinese one
10:28 Tom_itx tip: don't stand on the branch you plan to cut off
10:28 GuShH rue_bed: but TESA!
10:28 GuShH Tom_itx: good tip
10:28 GuShH or, don't place the ladder underneath the branch you plan to cut off.
10:29 GuShH ladders can be very dangerous.
10:29 Tom_itx i've got harnesses, rope and 3 nice saws for the job
10:29 Tom_itx never did get any cleets
10:29 GuShH So do I, but you still need a ladder to access a lot of areas without marking the trees.
10:30 GuShH The idea is to "remove" the ladder once you're up there
10:30 Tom_itx i had a branch take a bad bounce and still hit the ladder
10:30 Tom_itx broke a rung on it
10:30 GuShH Problem with some branches is their offset mass will make them turn in the air and change direction, that's what most people don't seem to account for
10:30 GuShH and that's how accidents with ladders happen
10:31 GuShH I've had them hit the side of the ladder
10:31 GuShH but I anchor the ladder, so it cannot fall
10:31 GuShH Also I use a steel ladder now
10:31 GuShH It's smaller, but there's no way the average branch can damage it
10:31 rue_house ok, the tesa ones are over $100
10:31 rue_house so what I said still applies
10:31 GuShH rue_house: I don't know if they make them in China
10:31
10:32 rue_house looks like anything they make starts at $140 and goes up to $400
10:32 GuShH even more!
10:32 GuShH their digital ones are not cheap
10:32 GuShH Tom_itx: I've never had a bad accident with the chainsaws
10:32 GuShH Actually, shouldn't have said that... now I'll probably have one.
10:33 GuShH If you are not complacent... it's all fine.
10:33 GuShH It helps to picture yourself with half a bar and chain up your face, on the floor, on a pool of oil and blood.
10:34 GuShH So that's a good technique to always keep the path of the bar away from your "face area", likewise with other extremities, I don't think I need to even explain this to you... But maybe you've got something to share!
10:35 GuShH I'm pretty sure most accidents happen by complacent operators, the rest are freak accidents
10:36 GuShH But it's very similar to any fast moving object, you tend to avoid being directly in line with it... So maybe chainsaws are another one of Darwin's clever culling devices.
10:38 GuShH rue_house: problem, the auction I linked to runs for 50 USD... My thinking is, it's either a fake or it's badly damaged / worn.
10:43 Tom_itx i used to cut trees for a friend with a lawn business because he didn't like climbing them
10:44 GuShH Tom_itx: any stories to share? :p
10:44 Tom_itx no bad ones
10:45 GuShH I don't have any fancy chainsaws... been looking for used pro sthils but they're all in very bad shape, people don't generally take good care of things.
10:45 Tom_itx oh, about a 8-10" branch i was climbing on gave out on me
10:45 GuShH and the entry level huskies are meh.
10:45 Tom_itx it was rotten inside
10:45 GuShH The trees I deal with often tend to show signs of that
10:45 Tom_itx never liked cutting dead ones
10:46 GuShH They're the most dangerous
10:46 GuShH You don't know how rotten they're, if they're going to split in mid air and change direction...
10:46 GuShH I have a big one by the entrance
10:46 Tom_itx never felt good putting my weight on any of the branches
10:46 GuShH it's been dead ever since I got here
10:47 GuShH I can't deal with it without having the road closed
10:47 GuShH And that's something I can't legally do
10:47 Tom_itx you can if it falls on it's own
10:47 GuShH Heh, if it falls on someone or someone's property then...
10:48 Skwint so dealing with it is illegal and you have to wait for it to fall on someone?
10:48 GuShH Skwint: It's not legal to block or "close" a road by yourself
10:48 GuShH Unless what Tom_itx said happens
10:48 Tom_itx i have a nice pole saw for low stuff
10:48 GuShH Then you are actually preventing an accident (even though a dead tree across the road is rather easy to spot)
10:49 Skwint we need a snake robot that climbs trees, wraps itself round a branch, then extrudes saw blades ...
10:49 GuShH It's high up, long dead, quite big. I don't even know which type of tree it is, since I never actually walk all the way to that corner
10:49 GuShH lol
10:49 GuShH Skwint: I thought Mexicans were the answer?
10:50 Skwint can they extrude saw blades?
10:50 GuShH Totally
10:50 GuShH When you eat all that hot stuff you can extrude all sorts of things.
10:51 GuShH Skwint: I don't know why I make fun of them, we don't have Mexicans around here...
10:51 GuShH And I like their cuisine, well some of it.
10:52 GuShH In fact so does America.
10:52 Tom_itx you gotta go to mexico to get the real stuff
10:53 GuShH Skwint: The simple solution to a big dead tree is a crane and an experienced operator.
10:53 GuShH Notice I said simple, not cheap :p
10:53 Skwint meh, you didn't specify safe either - the simple solution is a box of matches
10:54 GuShH Tom_itx: I have a few mexican cuisine books, and that's been my mexican experience so far... with some of their ingredients...
10:54 GuShH I guess you could use rue's S10 and a chain
10:55 GuShH We recently suffered a bank robbery attempt not far away from where I am... It was pathetic, I actually got mad at how stupid they were.
10:55 GuShH They tried to remove an ATM with a Corsa and some 8 mm steel cable.
10:55 Tom_itx bank up the street got robbed, the guy was shot and now the bank is closed
10:55 GuShH I swear they deserve to become someone's biatch in prison for their stupidity.
10:56 Tom_itx save us the money to keep them, just shoot em on the spot
10:56 Tom_itx i'd make a good texan
10:56 GuShH First of all, chains. Secondly, you need a proper 4x4 truck or anything bigger. Not one of these http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/f/l/chevy_c2.jpg
10:57 GuShH Not that I would attempt it, but that's how I would do it
10:57 GuShH I'm surprised nobody got injured when the steel cable snapped
10:57 Tom_itx that just makes a good target to aim for
10:58 GuShH Oh yeah I don't like those cars at all. I'd rather have a VW "gol"
10:58 GuShH Which is by the way the most stolen car in Argentina.
10:58 GuShH I don't remember what's the second one...
10:58 GuShH It's all due to the ever decreasing market of spare parts, thanks to import restrictions car theft goes up.
10:59 GuShH Low end cars are stolen for spares, sold locally... High end cars are "exported" to neighbouring countries
11:01 GuShH There's even a stolen cellphone market, similar to the vehicle one. Mainboards from stolen cellphones in say Paraguay are send over to Argentina, and vice versa.
11:01 GuShH China makes it easy for a thief to buy an empty box, charger and manual for example.
11:01 GuShH In reality the thief sells it to a weasel, the weasel dresses it and puts it on the market.
11:02 GuShH So that's how you can get a relatively cheap iphone
11:02 ShH does not own any fancy cellph
11:19 GuShH Tom_itx: here's the mess http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3765f.jpg
11:19 GuShH all of those horizontal branches and that big pile of stuff needs to go.
11:20 GuShH it came from the neighbours and I don't know what type of plant it is/was, but it took over two of the trees
11:21 GuShH looks like a pterosaur nest.
11:22 GuShH That's the problem I've always had with neighbours, they let everything go to my side.
11:22 GuShH There's a bigger mass behind all of that, if I were to cut down a few branches it would fall right into their pool
11:24 GuShH Oh here's one for robotustra, correction cuts with the angle grinder on 20x20mm stock http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3767f.jpg See I can cut fairly straight!
11:25 GuShH Skeptical you.
11:41 Tom_itx and falling into their pool would be a problem?
11:43 Tom_itx that is a fugly mess
11:45 GuShH Tom_itx: it would be, I'd have to tell them beforehand, in case something does fall to their side (it will)
11:45 GuShH the messy plant comes from their side as well, every mess I've got comes from one of the neighbours in fact.
11:46 GuShH If I could I would lift massive steel walls all around, with lasers and miniguns.
11:46 ShH pictures a tree trimming robot, laser operated... circa
12:14 GuShH http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd43/foxedupone/DSC00463.jpg
12:14 GuShH hahaha
12:14 GuShH Also, notice the rebar kickstand... my god
12:14 GuShH and using it as a blender, that's got to be theBear!
12:15 GuShH Haha brake pedal http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NbfpxwIpnEQ/S9es-LkqjPI/AAAAAAAACOw/LbQCH0XjJ2A/s400/LF%20041.jpg
12:17 GuShH http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt37/atwaterk/0114001336a.jpg that's actually not so bad, for being rebar
12:17 GuShH Not sure I'd trust it with anything valuable
12:32 robotustra american chicks so ugly
12:34 robotustra one glance on them and I want to hide and work work work...
12:35 robotustra not all of them but most
12:36 robotustra or it's just my stereotypic thinking?
12:39 robotustra techno chicks
12:40 robotustra but pics are cool
12:41 robotustra I fail to explain this picture http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd43/foxedupone/100_7271JPG.jpg
12:43 GuShH robotustra: errr
12:43 GuShH there are ugly chicks in every country.
12:44 GuShH and most american chicks came from every country, one way or another.
12:44 GuShH robotustra: What's the context of that picture anyway?
12:45 GuShH aww http://s226.photobucket.com/user/foxedupone/media/IMG_4184.jpg.html
12:46 GuShH aww http://s226.photobucket.com/user/foxedupone/media/IMG_4223.jpg.html
12:47 GuShH This is fantastic http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/GoodhueGatesandRailingsBrakeDrumCoalForge_023.jpg
13:21 GuShH Err JET is just a rebrand for china poop?
13:21 GuShH http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/rong_fu_rf_25_mill.htm << that lathe on the background looks just like mine, but smaller
13:21 GuShH it's the same actually
13:22 GuShH and that mill, unsure if it's worth the money that's why I'm looking it up
13:23 GuShH it probably comes from the same factory, they even use the same motor they buy for the lathes
13:24 GuShH Tom_itx: do you know why graphite grease is recommended instead of lithium based?
13:24 GuShH (on this particular machine)
13:25 GuShH It still feels more like a glorified drillpress to me
13:26 GuShH Heh costs 1K on the US, 2.8k here.
13:27 GuShH No way it's worth that much, sadly even the mini mills here cost 1k instead of 400-500 usd
13:28 GuShH http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/Rong-Fu_RF-25_Mill_manual.pdf
13:31 Curious wob
13:31 GuShH OK it uses a 6007ZZ radial ball bearing... but is that at the spindle? doesn't make sense.
13:32 MrCurious mill is a glorified drill press
13:32 MrCurious just a super duper solid one that doesnt bend flex or deflect
13:32 MrCurious and lets you inflict all manner of abuse on teh cutter head
13:33 GuShH MrCurious: I'm either stupid, or they're trying to sell shit.
13:33 MrCurious how so
13:33 GuShH MrCurious: Here's the thing, a regular ball bearing cannot take axial forces
13:33 GuShH Which is what a mill is meant for.
13:34 MrCurious you mean force taking the shaft out of perpendicular
13:34 GuShH So that's my reasoning, a mill sold with regular ball bearings is just a glorified shitty drill-press with an XY table
13:34 GuShH MrCurious: yes, requires tapered roller bearings or even fancier shit.
13:34 MrCurious well glorified drill press with more solid supports
13:34 GuShH I'm not paying 3000 dollars for that.
13:34 MrCurious i only paid 450 for mine
13:35 GuShH yours is tiny though
13:35 MrCurious harbor freight
13:35 MrCurious made in china at same factory that makes a slightly different colored one sold by grizley
13:35 GuShH as does JET
13:35 GuShH they're all bullshit companies.
13:35 MrCurious makes me feel better about buying the cheapest
13:35 GuShH http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=4943
13:35 MrCurious even though its sy table blows
13:36 MrCurious and it has all sorts of backlash
13:36 GuShH Maybe I'm looking at the manual the wrong way and that bearing is for something else...
13:36 MrCurious that is nicer than mine
13:36 GuShH I can buy the one you have, costs less than half
13:36 GuShH But it also has regular ball bearings
13:37 MrCurious so... use it, and replace them as needed
13:37 GuShH No
13:37 GuShH Because it doesn't cost 450-500 here, costs 1k
13:37 GuShH And I won't pay that much for something that requires a lot of extra work, like the lathes do.
13:37 GuShH I'm sick of it. It's not like they refurbish them here with a better XY table, tapered bearings, etc. and charge it double
13:38 GuShH they do NOTHING to them
13:38 MrCurious it must be frustrating living in a high markup country, as its frustrating empathizing with people when i hear the markup stories
13:38 GuShH It's even more frustrating seeing clueless idiots buying crap all the time
13:38 GuShH And seeing them pay more than it's worth it.
13:39 MrCurious i think mine was a fair deal at 450$
13:39 MrCurious got it 25% off
13:40 MrCurious it has flaws, but it lets me do what i need to do to advance my projects
13:40 GuShH I wouldn't pay that either
13:40 MrCurious because the 2 drill presses i bought gave me nothing but frustration
13:40 GuShH No offense, but it's a toy
13:40 GuShH And I'm sick of toys
13:40 MrCurious it just needs to make a few holes so i can build a cnc :D
13:40 GuShH MrCurious: yes, well... can you imagine paying 3k for one of those drill-presses fitted with an XY table?
13:40 MrCurious then it goes up for sale
13:40 GuShH would you not be frustrated?
13:41 GuShH CNC the mill instead, dummy.
13:41 MrCurious the mill is WAY more sturdy than a drill press
13:41 ShH eyer
13:41 MrCurious if i make a 20mm hole in hard wood on drill press, it will deflect the table off perpendicular
13:41 GuShH You only had cheapie presses
13:41 MrCurious not so on teh mill
13:41 GuShH probably never used a proper cast iron one?
13:41 MrCurious its cast iron
13:41 GuShH not that I own one, but I can tell the difference.
13:41 MrCurious its just a toy
13:41 GuShH it's cast shit from the floor
13:41 MrCurious one day i will have to get one of the 6' tall presses
13:42 GuShH Get an old american one
13:42 GuShH restore it.
13:42 GuShH Don't waste any more time with china shit.
13:42 GuShH Actually we once had an industry like yours
13:42 GuShH In that, we actually made sturdy good machines.
13:42 GuShH But now adays they're in very bad shape, hard to find parts for, not worth it IMO.
13:43 GuShH I wonder, SouthBend is back in business right?, are they outsourcing everything to china though?
13:43 GuShH And then there are things like... Starret. I think they've got several years worth of farts in their brain for what they charge.
13:44 GuShH Sorry, Starrett*
13:44 MrCurious i forget your country... argentina?
13:44 GuShH I got a quote for a starret compass.. it was about 200 USD.
13:44 GuShH Looked it up on US stores, it's actually almost as expensive
13:44 GuShH I know it's quality stuff, but I wouldn't spend that much.
13:44 GuShH I think they've got a high markup because of the brand as well
13:45 GuShH MrCurious: We had a massive electronics industry as well.
13:45 GuShH The country was systematically shut down to become a table game for a few rich fucks.
13:45 MrCurious which country
13:46 GuShH You just mentioned it
13:46 MrCurious oh
13:46 GuShH Whatever little industry remains is all shit, and way too expensive.
13:46 GuShH Half of them are fronts of money laundering.
13:47 MrCurious sounds like opportunity
13:47 GuShH I've got a project on the way
13:47 MrCurious how do you feel about starting a tool making company :D
13:47 GuShH But if that fails, you'll see me eating canned beans on a street corner.
13:47 MrCurious i like beans
13:48 GuShH Well then, peas.
13:48 GuShH Whatever hobos eat
13:48 GuShH I guess they don't eat much, it's mostly alcohol.
13:48 GuShH I quit that though
13:48 MrCurious i am so sick of this zimmerman trial blocking all the real news
13:48 GuShH ....You get the point.
13:48 GuShH We've got our own news-blocker it's been going for months
13:49 GuShH a doorman allegedly murdered a young woman, put her in a trash bag and threw her in the bin, she was found on a conveyor belt by the processing plant
13:49 GuShH Here's the shocker...
13:49 GuShH She was still alive, while in the bag. And died because of the compression cycle in the trash truck.
13:50 MrCurious their not the same color?
13:50 GuShH Hm?
13:50 MrCurious clearly you need trucks that have automated x-ray cycles to detect humans before compressing
13:51 GuShH Is that a thing?
13:51 GuShH they're automated in that they pick up the bin and it's thrown in... no detection of anything though
13:51 GuShH same old trucks everywhere, are they not?
13:51 GuShH Even worse, during transport in the bag, she woke up (the bag moved) dude was picking her up into a cab (allegedly) and the cabby asked what's in the bag, he said a dead dog and then proceeded to hit her head with a mallet.... allegedly.
13:52 GuShH It's messed up, there are two sides to the story of course and neither makes sense
13:52 MrCurious dang
13:52 MrCurious cabbie on trial too
13:52 GuShH got in for questioning
13:52 GuShH car was pretty much taken apart heh
13:52 MrCurious when will people learn not to keep their women in bags
13:52 MrCurious they spoil!
13:53 GuShH In theory he tried to rape her, things went south... she got hit, fell unconscious -- he thought she was dead, put her in a trash bag and decided to dispose of the body.
13:53 MrCurious they get accidentally thrown away
13:53 MrCurious not a great disposal plan...
13:53 GuShH Another theory is that she saw something she shouldn't have seen, and they disposed of her.
13:53 GuShH actually...
13:53 GuShH This has happened in the past
13:53 GuShH Sometimes the trucks don't all dump into the sorting places
13:54 GuShH They go directly to the landfill.
13:54 GuShH Prior to this, another woman was murdered, chopped up and thrown in the trash.
13:54 MrCurious so the landfill is a mass graveyard
13:54 MrCurious tip the driver to skip teh sort
13:54 GuShH And I actually know of another case, of someone I knew.
13:54 GuShH my pet's vets was murdered just like that.
13:54 GuShH vet*
13:55 GuShH I found out a couple months ago
13:55 MrCurious your country does not sound safe or civilized....
13:55 GuShH Some sort of religious bullshit combined with someone invading her house, or wanting to take over her property
13:55 GuShH MrCurious: Oh?
13:55 MrCurious teasing
13:55 MrCurious its an old country with a rich history
13:55 GuShH And I was just watching a video of an american woman trying to hire a hitman to "dispose" of her housband
13:55 GuShH like 100 bucks up front
13:55 GuShH 50k from the insurance
13:55 GuShH doesn't sound like your minds are in the right place either.
13:55 GuShH "It's easier this way"
13:56 GuShH "Getting divorced is too much trouble"
13:56 GuShH I would put a 50 cal up her c***.
13:56 MrCurious well... we selective breed for pretty and stupid
13:56 GuShH The "hitman" was an undercover officer
13:56 GuShH Heh.
13:57 GuShH http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592891-504083/video-julia-merfeld-mich-woman-tries-to-hire-hit-man-to-kill-husband-says-its-easier-than-divorcing/
13:57 MrCurious i think this news issue could be solved by bifurcating news to 2 channels. the happy news channel, and the sad news channel
13:57 MrCurious thats an old one
13:57 GuShH If you're married, don't let her know you've got life insurance, don't ask me how just don't let her know!
13:57 MrCurious hah!
13:57 GuShH Old.. it happened on the 9th
13:57 GuShH You are a news addict though, I'm not
13:58 GuShH Just saying, there are crazies everywhere.
13:58 MrCurious the 9th
13:58 MrCurious then its a repeat. old story, happens a lot
13:58 GuShH Well, same with the dumped bodies
13:58 GuShH I just recall 3 cases
13:58 GuShH You know, for every story that makes it to the news there are probably 10 or more like it that don't make it
13:58 GuShH As in, nobody ever knows.
13:59 GuShH The "successful" dumps
13:59 MrCurious true. only the stupid get caught
13:59 GuShH MrCurious: Did you read what I said about the idiots trying to steal an ATM just blocks from here?
13:59 GuShH Using a stolen Chevrolet Corsa and 8mm steel cable. No comments.
14:00 MrCurious they try that here too
14:00 MrCurious all the time
14:00 GuShH But with 4x4 trucks at least?
14:00 MrCurious it varies
14:00 GuShH I've got mixed feelings about it.
14:00 MrCurious sometimes they get the machine
14:00 MrCurious sometimes the machine gets them
14:00 GuShH If they succeed, good for them.
14:00 GuShH I don't like banks.
14:00 MrCurious getting the machine is only 20% of the problem
14:00 GuShH They have tracking
14:00 GuShH not here.
14:00 GuShH How do I know.. a friend used to service ATMs heh
14:01 MrCurious well, yuou snag it. put it in a faraday cage
14:01 MrCurious then set about opening it
14:01 MrCurious and i do believe they do not want to be opened, so they resist
14:02 GuShH I've been exposed to the money catridges they use, but never even had bad thoughts about it, so you gotta be born a thief I guess.
14:03 GuShH MrCurious: OK so, basically our ATMs are the ATMS you guys ceased to use.
14:03 MrCurious or born of desperation
14:03 GuShH And they were not fitted with GPS even.
14:03 MrCurious oh!
14:03 MrCurious so THATS where they go
14:03 GuShH Very much so. And maintaining them costs more in the long term than upgrading them
14:04 GuShH Lots of bullshit around ATMs actually
14:04 MrCurious its a trap!
14:04 GuShH To open them... oxy torch.
14:04 GuShH You just need to know where to cut.
14:05 MrCurious 2 days til my quad stepper driver comes and i can resume this build
14:05 GuShH There have been instances of guys walking to an ATM with an oxy setup and a folding screen.
14:05 ShH
14:05 MrCurious hahah! balls and briliant
14:05 GuShH They actually got away
14:05 GuShH And what about tunnels?
14:05 GuShH I can recall two instances where they all got away
14:05 GuShH And I loved it.
14:06 MrCurious everyone loves robinhood stories
14:06 GuShH The last one, not so much. They ended up in a furniture store, near the bank xD
14:06 GuShH "slight miscalculation"
14:06 GuShH To begin with they had rented a warehouse for 10k a month, they took over 3 months to dig the tunnel
14:06 GuShH Ended inside the furniture store, stole like 1k worth of cash...
14:06 MrCurious HAHAHAHa
14:07 GuShH They should've just committed suicide right there.
14:07 MrCurious or phoned the cops and asked them for a ride "yeah, we are too stupid to be roaming freely, can you come get us"
14:07 GuShH But previously they were right on the mark and they only found out about it once they figured out almost everything was missing in the vault.
14:08 GuShH The tunnels were booby trapped as well.
14:08 GuShH Brilliant.
14:08 MrCurious sounds liek a movie
14:08 GuShH I think the safety boxes are insured
14:08 GuShH Not sure how it works
14:08 GuShH because you don't have to declare the contents
14:09 GuShH MrCurious: it happened.
14:09 MrCurious someone should make a movie
14:09 GuShH they have heh
14:09 MrCurious well they have, but not the booby trapped tunnel but
14:09 GuShH these tunnels take 4-6 months to make, it must be very hard
14:09 GuShH even harder than the ones mexican druggies dig to smuggle shit in
14:09 GuShH because they are getting into a bank, not just some hole in the ground or an abandoned place.
14:10 GuShH ok so some details about the tunnels
14:10 GuShH they have illumination and ventilation systems
14:10 GuShH You can't help but think very clever people were involved
14:10 GuShH All they got in cameras were some random dudes with big trash bags loading up a van
14:11 MrCurious clever and creative
14:11 GuShH Well, they even had carpets on the floor and walls
14:12 GuShH everything reinforced... Unsure if it was steel or wood.
14:12 GuShH Anyway...
14:12 GuShH Lotta risk for lotta work.
14:13 GuShH MrCurious: Ohh, found the taper bearing on that bigger mill I showed you
14:13 GuShH So it is proper in that regard
14:13 MrCurious good
14:14 GuShH it's a E30206J
14:14 MrCurious what will you be making with the mill
14:14 GuShH http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/motors/bearings/tapered-roller-bearings/metric-tapered-roller-bearing-e30206j-30mm-bore-62mm-od
14:14 GuShH Nothing sir. I'm just looking, thank you.
14:14 MrCurious you need to make a robot!
14:14 MrCurious or a cnc
14:14 GuShH A lawn mower bot, yes.
14:14 MrCurious do you have a cnc
14:15 GuShH nope.
14:15 GuShH I must?
14:15 GuShH So I can join the club?
14:15 MrCurious surely you could fabricate a large cnc machine cheaper than you could get a mill
14:15 GuShH Is it an elite club where you guys hang out, smoke cigars and such
14:15 GuShH Don't know about that..
14:15 MrCurious well.... not cigars
14:15 GuShH big steppers aren't cheap either
14:15 MrCurious but there is scotch and red jackets
14:15 MrCurious use gears
14:15 MrCurious belts
14:16 GuShH neh
14:16 MrCurious trade speed for cheap
14:16 GuShH MrCurious: why don't you CNC your mill?
14:16 GuShH you can use double shaft steppers
14:16 GuShH and still use it manually
14:16 MrCurious dropped $110 yesterday on like 35 lbs of aluminum
14:16 GuShH (whatever they're called, the shaft just extends on both sides)
14:16 MrCurious because the xy table backlash sucks
14:16 GuShH try to fix it
14:17 GuShH have you adjusted the nuts?
14:17 MrCurious and because i have > 500 in kit to make a 30" x 30" x 13" cnc already
14:17 GuShH they should have 2-3 screws each
14:17 MrCurious i just use it as a drill press :D
14:17 GuShH and you can reduce backlash a bit
14:17 MrCurious i got the mill to help me make the cnc
14:17 GuShH I'd see the mill as a potential CNC
14:18 MrCurious want BIGGER
14:18 GuShH what you may want is a general purpose CNC XYZ bed which is slightly different heh
14:18 GuShH MrCurious: you can always redesign
14:18 GuShH or index your parts and cut in grids
14:18 MrCurious meh, i dont know what i want. its just a way to pass time and dissipate stress and feel good about myself
14:18 GuShH don't contraint yourself over lousy designs
14:18 GuShH ok, some people choose to masturbate, you chose to build a CNC
14:19 GuShH I guess some other people choose to dig a hole into a bank vault, too.
14:19 ShH g
14:19 GuShH MrCurious: I know what I want, but I refuse to pay these prices right now.
14:19 GuShH I need to fabricate parts for a project
14:19 MrCurious oh!
14:19 GuShH Hence the lathe to begin with.
14:19 MrCurious take on a second job, make the money, and pay the price :D
14:19 GuShH I'm investing on some tooling, that's all.
14:20 GuShH MrCurious: why? it's not worth it.
14:20 GuShH this is a 20 dollar machine (in china) being sold for almost 3k
14:20 MrCurious i wouldnt say that. when i consult i get 2x my day job salary
14:20 GuShH And I feel weird without my beard, dammit.
14:20 GuShH It's like losing a limb or something
14:21 MrCurious i cant do that beard thing well enough to do that beard thing
14:21 GuShH Actually if it goes well, selling 4 units would pay for the tools, the rest would be profit
14:21 GuShH 6 if you account for every expense
14:21 MrCurious there you go!
14:21 GuShH well, that's the intent.
14:22 GuShH but it hurts to pay 4 times the value of something
14:22 GuShH specially when you know the real value.
14:22 GuShH MrCurious: if it doesn't go well, I could've bought a car with the investment money
14:22 ShH shakes
14:22 MrCurious but you could make a car with the tools
14:22 GuShH haha not really
14:23 GuShH (I don't have any "legal" strings to pull)
14:23 MrCurious amazing how mainstream CNC is becoming. looking on ebay, its all over
14:23 GuShH Yeah well
14:23 GuShH No need to print a gun
14:23 GuShH just grab some pipe fittings.
14:23 ShH eyer
14:23 GuShH That's how the media and some grubmints see it.
14:23 GuShH Hilarious.
14:24 MrCurious true... and dont print a gun, pring a knife!
14:24 GuShH haha
14:24 MrCurious knife is reussable
14:24 GuShH wait, you can buy, make or steal a knife very easily
14:24 MrCurious hmmm... all ceramic, 0% metal katana
14:24 GuShH get a polymer one if you don't want it to be detected
14:24 MrCurious THAT would be a serious problem if ever mass produced
14:24 GuShH it would shatter most likely
14:24 MrCurious no
14:24 MrCurious ceramic blades
14:24 GuShH yes
14:24 GuShH they crack
14:24 GuShH chip
14:25 MrCurious well dont use it on metal...
14:25 MrCurious use it on flesh :D
14:25 MrCurious would require technique modifications
14:25 GuShH but there are bones involved
14:25 GuShH why the hell are we even talking about this
14:25 MrCurious hence the technique mod
14:25 MrCurious lighter dragging cuts
14:25 GuShH and you said you didn't like gore
14:25 MrCurious slash, not cleave
14:25 GuShH al gore!
14:25 MrCurious true
14:26 MrCurious back to CNC
14:26 GuShH "I just close my eyes when I'm about to chop someone in half"
14:26 MrCurious i wish i had the nerve to end an animal
14:26 MrCurious there is a wild chicken that eats the outdoor cat food, and leaves poop on my doorstep as a thank you
14:40 MrCurious cant make this step driver work
14:45 MrCurious http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Single-Axis-3A-TB6560-Stepper-Motor-Drivers-Board-For-axiscontrol-/300933204808?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4611044b48
14:45 MrCurious guess its a dud
14:46 MrCurious EN+ EN- CW+ CW- CK+ CK-
14:50 MrCurious yup. its trash
14:52 MrCurious OH
14:53 rue_house was it new?
14:53 rue_house you know its optically isolated?
14:55 MrCurious solved
14:55 rue_house what was wrong?
14:56 MrCurious EN+ is the signal and all of teh _ require a ground
14:56 MrCurious i assumed common ground... nope it wants 4 seperate ground connections
14:56 MrCurious and this one does 1/16 micro stepping NICEly
14:56 rue_house usually opto isolated stuff is not commoned at all
14:57 rue_house wow!
14:57 rue_house that almost $1/amp!
14:58 rue_house oh its bid
14:59 MrCurious $10 ish for 3.5A
15:04 MrCurious alrighty. i think i want more of these
15:04 rue_house cheapest buy-it-now is $12
15:05 GuShH MrCurious: wild chickens? where do you live, colombia?
15:05 GuShH nah teasing you. actually the neighbour decided a rooster would be a great decoration for their garden...
15:06 GuShH it's ANNOYING.
15:06 GuShH goes off like a defective chinese alarm
15:06 GuShH sounds awful too, it's like a chinese rooster (comparing to their cars).
15:07 MrCurious my neighbor decided chickens would be tasty
15:07 MrCurious got hens and a rooster
15:07 MrCurious the neighborhood revolted. the city acted
15:07 MrCurious one chicken escaped the masacre
15:07 MrCurious it now roams the neighborhood cursing my house
15:07 GuShH haha
15:07 GuShH what, people got mad?
15:07 GuShH I think shes got hens too, I didn't ask
15:07 GuShH I don't even know my neighbour's name
15:08 GuShH I once said hi to the other neighbours, that was about it.
15:08 GuShH Wish they were more friendly (I wonder if they wish the same?)
15:08 GuShH For instance I've never had a friendly neighbour.
15:08 GuShH "Howdy, what ya working on? need a hand, let me know if you need some tools" that would be AWESOME
15:09 MrCurious i have several friendly neighbors
15:09 GuShH It's a nice place but they're in "every man for himself" mode
15:09 MrCurious stand outside and talk
15:09 MrCurious hang out at their house
15:09 MrCurious help each other on projects
15:09 GuShH Bah!
15:09 GuShH Good for you
15:09 GuShH I think because they've got kids and I'm the weird dude making loud noises on a daily basis they just aren't very interested
15:09 GuShH I assume
15:10 GuShH Well I don't make the noises, the tools do.
15:10 GuShH Not everyone is a "DIY-er"
15:10 GuShH They even hire people to trim their trees, even if I had the money to throw away, I wouldn't hire someone... When I used to, I always got issues.
15:10 GuShH They would either steal or make a very lousy job.
15:11 MrCurious perhaps they could hire you
15:11 GuShH For what?
15:11 GuShH I'm not looking for money, just a "hi" every now and then
15:11 MrCurious 1.1W per motor at speed with this driver
15:11 MrCurious 30ma parking
15:11 GuShH At least I'm always on the lookout, if they were to have a fire or something I'd bolt there in a second. Even though I don't know them...
15:12 GuShH But chances are if I'm in a tight spot, they may not even care.
15:12 MrCurious have you said hi
15:12 GuShH yeah
15:12 MrCurious have you offered food or wine
15:12 GuShH no
15:12 MrCurious i see
15:12 GuShH that's not very well seen by most people here
15:12 MrCurious hookers?
15:12 GuShH huh?
15:12 GuShH No, offering food.
15:12 MrCurious introduced them to the local vicar so they can stop sinning?
15:13 GuShH o.o
15:13 GuShH I bet you if I were to go to church they'd talk to me
15:13 GuShH again, assuming they're the religious bunch that puts non religious people aside.
15:13 ShH sips co
15:14 GuShH MrCurious: I think in general the problem in most of my country is that houses are very far apart, with tall fences, etc.
15:14 GuShH They don't share anything at all
15:15 GuShH Very few places have "american style" houses
15:15 MrCurious good fences make for good neighbors
15:15 GuShH huh?
15:15 MrCurious enjoy your solitude
15:15 MrCurious its an old quote from a book
15:16 GuShH what do you call a type of "country club" where houses all share driveways, etc.
15:16 GuShH but, it's isolated from everything else
15:16 GuShH sometimes even by a lake
15:16 GuShH we call them "countries" but that's not proper English
15:16 MrCurious sub division
15:16 GuShH they were given that name because they often have their own rules, etc.
15:16 GuShH some even have their own stores
15:16 GuShH tennis courts, etc.
15:17 MrCurious 0.7W for super fast... hmmm
15:17 MrCurious HOA
15:17 MrCurious home owners authority
15:17 MrCurious avoid that. its bad
15:17 GuShH Houses may be relatively cheap, but the taxes and other expenses are high
15:17 MrCurious you give up ability to plant a bush without paperwork
15:17 GuShH More or less
15:17 GuShH They also think they're living on a highly secured area
15:17 GuShH but that's a lie
15:18 GuShH They steal more of those houses than any other type because they all share everything, someone who works on one of the houses may already know where the electrical box is, how to get inside, etc.
15:18 GuShH Plus of course, usually "richer" people live in those places
15:19 GuShH Anyway in theory the neighbours there are usually friendly
15:19 GuShH And you can just leave your bike outside, no issues.
15:20 GuShH One of my biggest concerns are houses being recycled or new constructions in the area
15:21 MrCurious if you have a private garden with shrubs obscuring the view...
15:22 MrCurious that means breakins can take their time and not be seen
15:23 MrCurious 0.7W per motor means 1.4 watts to run the bot in a strait line. effectively cheeper than cpu power usage
15:23 GuShH Sounds racist but it brings a lot of "poor" people around when there's a construction in general
15:23 GuShH well that's not race related
15:23 GuShH just discriminatory
15:23 MrCurious i prefer teh term hard working honest people
15:23 GuShH but you get what i mean right?
15:23 GuShH I do the same stuff they do, but for myself, when I need it
15:23 GuShH So it's not like I don't appreciate their work
15:24 GuShH But some are... obscure.
15:24 MrCurious :D
15:24 GuShH I've had to deal with them, several times.. wasn't a good experience.
15:24 GuShH No, not obscure in the sense of their skin colour, jeez.
15:24 GuShH Actually it's hard to see a real black person around here
15:24 MrCurious dont worry, your not wearing jack boots, a side part, and a snappy short mustash...
15:24 GuShH The last one I saw was a Jamaican dude
15:24 MrCurious although the nazi's did bail to argentina after ww2 didnt they
15:24 GuShH No, no beard or mustach anymore
15:24 GuShH I shaved it all yesterday!
15:25 MrCurious NINE! NINE! name is hister, not hitler NINE!
15:25 GuShH it was more of a lawn mowing exercise than shaving though
15:25 GuShH that shit was thick.
15:25 GuShH my chin is cold now.
15:25 ShH feels naked in the
15:25 GuShH MrCurious: yes, lots of nazis.
15:26 GuShH in fact, a friend's granpa was a general of some sort
15:26 GuShH mixed feelings right there.
15:26 GuShH Hmm so Hitler used to come over to the south for vacations and whatnot
15:27 MrCurious so the difference between argentina and brazil... nazi's vs shemales
15:27 MrCurious gonna call that a real tough choice...
15:27 GuShH Mengele came over to the south as well, I believe. He drowned in theory, not sure.
15:28 GuShH Grew a moustache and longer hair, that I know
15:28 GuShH If he indeed died like that, I'm glad.
15:28 MrCurious creepy
15:28 MrCurious wrong window
15:28 GuShH o.o
15:29 GuShH If I showed you a person sitting on a bar having a coffee and told you it was Mengele, then showed you a firearm.. what would you do?
15:29 GuShH The firearm is untraceable, there are no cameras at this time.
15:30 Tom_itx there is conscience
15:30 GuShH (This situation had presented to some people, but it was never carried away due to lack of actual confirmation)
15:30 GuShH The coffee place still exists, it's in downtown buenos aires.
15:30 GuShH Tom_itx: what would you do?
15:31 Tom_itx walk away
15:31 GuShH Assuming at that time you probably would've lost family at the war and you'd be a lot more resentful as well
15:31 MrCurious take the gun
15:31 MrCurious and leave teh bar
15:31 GuShH MrCurious: thief!
15:31 MrCurious no. to protect myself as i escape
15:31 MrCurious no cameras...
15:31 GuShH Well, there were none at the time.
15:32 MrCurious you going to let mengala be the one to get to the gun first?
15:32 GuShH Aside from undercover officers taking pictures a few times a day.
15:32 Tom_itx what would you do GuShH?
15:32 GuShH Probably shove a knife up his skull.
15:32 GuShH If you want the cold truth...
15:32 GuShH And I'd probably end up in jail for it.
15:32 Tom_itx bringin a knife to a gun fight?
15:32 GuShH Heh, no in this situation nobody is armed.
15:32 GuShH Except you.
15:33 GuShH Knives are a bit more personal.
15:33 GuShH At least I think so
15:33 MrCurious i have played this game before ZORK!
15:33 Tom_itx is a hatchet considered a knife?
15:33 MrCurious go north, go north, go north, get axe….
15:33 GuShH Horrible thing to think about actually
15:33 GuShH Tom_itx: that's even worse
15:34 Tom_itx the result would be the same/similar
15:34 GuShH Well
15:34 GuShH Yes. If we account for the fact (is it a fact?) that he drowned alone
15:35 GuShH They say he suffered a cardiac arrest while swimming on a lake
15:35 GuShH Who knows.
15:35 MrCurious why not leave, call cops/hague
15:35 MrCurious enjoy media circus
15:35 MrCurious clean conscience
15:35 MrCurious fame
15:35 GuShH It was rumoured they knew or had people inside the forces here
15:36 GuShH Which would explain how some of them were never found / caught
15:36 GuShH And they all had clean paperwork, clean identities, etc.
15:36 GuShH Also everyone at that time was wearing a moustache, don't forget to picture the moustaches.
15:37 GuShH They did catch Eichmann though
15:37 GuShH The Jews were not as calm as Tom_itx about it.
15:37 GuShH As he was captured here in Argentina and sent to Israel where they executed the asshole.
15:38 ShH theorized that he had crossed the wrong people and that's why he was "given" to the mo
15:38 MrCurious seems a optimized procedure
15:38 GuShH by crossing I mean pissing off, etc.
15:38 MrCurious though imprisoning him in a cold climate for 20 years before killing him would have been better
15:38 GuShH I'm not sure on the story of the rest
15:39 GuShH MrCurious: Some people tend to think it's better to imprisioning someone until they die on their own
15:39 GuShH I think it's not efficient, takes a lot of money to keep them alive.
15:39 MrCurious saves money if you dont allow appeals
15:39 MrCurious summary justice in the field, judge dread style, more efficient yet!
15:39 GuShH Seriously, a lot of money. They commit the crimes and we keep paying after the fact.
15:40 GuShH Does the system actually work, at all?
15:40 MrCurious i have a friend who is a prison guard
15:40 MrCurious prison is not a fun place for the people who get to live there...
15:40 GuShH That doesn't mean anything.
15:41 GuShH I'm not saying they're having a good time.
15:41 GuShH It just takes a lot of money to employ guards, cooks, etc. The expenses (electrical, food, transport, insurances for employees, etc)
15:41 MrCurious lots of people die in prison
15:41 GuShH Taxes too perhaps.
15:41 MrCurious early
15:41 GuShH Sure, some commit suicide, others get murdered...
15:44 GuShH I'd like to know if cyanide was standard issue for all nazi generals or if they were "helped out" in all cases
15:45 GuShH Anyway I think you can't cure them, how can you prevent recidivism when it's so hard to reintroduce them and when you do, they would rather go back to where they were doing since it's a lot more profitable and effortless...
15:46 GuShH As for general murders, rape, etc. I don't think they should be allowed on the streets, should be perpetual always. Of course, what happens when the wrong person is imprisoned? what a friggin mess this is, I better go build something...
15:46 MrCurious you have seen the trueman show
15:46 GuShH sure
15:47 GuShH aka the UK
15:47 ShH g
15:47 MrCurious could be fun to take histories best assholes, and put them in a fake mocked up doesnt make sense inspires insanity world
15:47 MrCurious HAH
15:47 GuShH lol to amuse the donald trumps
15:47 GuShH otoh to an extent that already happens in some prisons
15:48 GuShH but in the sense of guards antagonizing the prisoners, etc.
15:48 GuShH I guess that's a bit different...
15:48 MrCurious i am thinking sentense them to live in a twilight zone world
15:48 GuShH LOL looking at the "head parts" for the mill, original PDF... and the "SPINDLE SHAFT" line is marked with pen
15:49 MrCurious not of voiolence, or restriction
15:49 MrCurious but of puzzling insanity
15:49 GuShH MrCurious: some people also think they should be thrown into a deserted island...
15:49 MrCurious again, great reason i should not be a national leader
15:49 MrCurious i figure if they televised executions of terrorists
15:49 GuShH Heh
15:49 MrCurious with some humiliation and torture first
15:50 MrCurious it could minimize the number of bad people
15:50 GuShH AND I PROMISE ONE ELECTRIC CHAIR FOR EVERY CITY BLOCK!
15:50 GuShH crowd goes wild
15:50 GuShH MrCurious: leading by example
15:50 MrCurious did you hear there are now bullets that contain pork, because killing terrorists is not enough, they must be barred from heaven
15:50 GuShH that's why I think capital punishment would work very well in some places
15:50 GuShH Yeah, you sent me the link
15:51 GuShH They claim is to prevent issues
15:51 GuShH it's
15:51 MrCurious doesnt argentina have prisons where its just a big pen, inmates openly carry knives, and food is not guaranteed
15:51 GuShH unsure.
15:52 GuShH Never been anywhere near one, don't care to read about 'em
15:52 MrCurious and just dawned on me. argentina isnt a english speaking nation is it. how do you know our words!
15:52 GuShH If you wanted a safe prison you'd need to keep everyone separate or chop everyone's arms and legs off
15:52 GuShH also remove their teeth
15:52 MrCurious you may be onto something there
15:53 GuShH and keep them almost dehydrated so they can't spit.
15:53 GuShH But that's not humane! can't do it.
15:53 MrCurious though the movie deadlock had a great idea. pair prisoners with explosive collars, if they get too far apart, they go boom
15:53 GuShH "it's either that or we shoot them!"
15:53 GuShH bah you are just forcing them to become gay lovers
15:53 GuShH not a big deal in prison I thought?
15:53 MrCurious castration for rapists?
15:54 GuShH totally
15:54 GuShH but they get to eat whatever is cut off as their first post-castration meal.
15:54 GuShH as a lesson
15:54 ShH would be the best ruler
15:54 GuShH MrCurious: From a shrink's point of view, it's not their fault.
15:54 GuShH ...
15:55 GuShH And lawyers love that theory.
15:55 MrCurious from a common sense point of view... neither is getting castrated...
15:55 GuShH Chopping their hands off does work
15:55 GuShH But it brings it's issues.
15:55 MrCurious then they have to be nice, and ask others to do their "dirty" work
15:56 MrCurious what if you sew their hands together.
15:56 MrCurious limit mischief, and its reversible on release
15:56 MrCurious yet still leaves them able to brush teeth
15:56 GuShH Is there any way this would work on metals? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelasticity
15:56 GuShH or are xrays the only way
15:57 GuShH MrCurious: they would just reverse it themselves
15:58 MrCurious perhaps a law making crime be the same thing as volunteering to be an organ doner
15:58 MrCurious a live organ donor
15:58 GuShH lol
15:59 GuShH In the end, dipshits like serial killers and rapists end up having more rights than the rest of us
15:59 GuShH At least that's what I perceive.
15:59 GuShH And it must be true for a lot of countries.
15:59 MrCurious trying to pull trigger on 3 of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/261210377837?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
15:59 GuShH Maybe even in the US, if there's no hard evidence of self defense, you too could go to jail for killing one of those dipshits.
16:00 GuShH Shipping: Does not ship to Argentina
16:00 GuShH Don't rub it in eBay, god damn you.
16:00 GuShH MrCurious: how many axis do you need
16:00 GuShH is axis the plural?
16:00 GuShH damn it.
16:00 GuShH this is why I need booze.
16:01 GuShH so it's "axes" ?
16:01 GuShH Why not try the one the russian dude uses on his mill?
16:02 GuShH robotustra
16:02 GuShH He's not really Russian, but since he seems to become annoyed at that, I keep saying it.
16:02 GuShH :D
16:02 MrCurious for robots
16:02 MrCurious i have lots of steppers
16:18 GuShH MrCurious: but how many axes!!
16:18 GuShH bah gotta go, cat to the vet..
16:18 GuShH need some screws and bolts...
16:18 GuShH and maybe the chop saw, we'll see
16:18 GuShH bbl.
16:18 MrCurious 3 axis
16:18 MrCurious but robot will be 4
16:35 m_itx thinks GuShH is rus
16:37 MrCurious nice. have a program to spin the stepper up to a speed that it cant "just start" at
16:38 Tom_itx me too, it's called linuxcnc
16:40 MrCurious that may be a WEE bit heavy for my robot
16:41 MrCurious unless i want to up the lipo's to 10 lbs worth, and slap an i7 in it
16:42 Tom_itx they're porting it to the bbb
16:45 Curious ponders how fast 2 feet per secon
16:46 Tom_itx 120 ft / min
16:46 Tom_itx 7200 ft/hr
16:47 Tom_itx slightly more than 1mph
16:47 Tom_itx 5280 is a mile
16:47 MrCurious not exactly a crawl
16:47 Tom_itx if you're in rush hour traffic it is
16:48 MrCurious if its a robot...
16:55 MrCurious wonder where teh ruskie is
17:44 rue_house "it makes sense, I'm not that much different from you or me"
17:45 MrCurious ?
17:46 Tom_itx
17:49 MrCurious http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/07/12/news-station-ktuv-punkd-over-asiana-aircraft-pilots-names/
17:59 MrCurious how did i never see this before! http://imgur.com/gallery/QupKnRr
18:16 GuShH baaaah
18:17 MrCurious indeed!
18:27 MrCurious excellent! http://www.schmalzhaus.com/EasyDriver/Examples/EasyDriverExamples.html
18:29 GuShH MrCurious: took too long at the vet... no hardware store :( it was closed
18:30 GuShH I wonder if they're open tomorrow, at all
18:30 GuShH MrCurious: heh that's very poor software and hardware
18:30 GuShH But, whatever makes you happy.
18:30 MrCurious read further http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/arduino/AccelStepper/
18:34 GuShH MrCurious: no, it says arduino.
18:34 GuShH no further reading allowed
18:34 GuShH Sorry.
18:34 GuShH Policies.
18:34 MrCurious hahahaha
18:35 MrCurious chant with me... prototype
18:38 GuShH chant with me... protonoob
18:38 GuShH MrCurious: I better not see some tupperware with an arduino and 300 shields shoved inside!
18:38 GuShH OR ELSE
18:38 ShH shakes
18:38 MrCurious no tupperware, though i did explore that possibility a year ago
18:49 MrCurious this driver is ideal
18:56 MrCurious nice, it handles acceleration, max speed, multi steppers
19:01 MrCurious this solves so much of the problem
19:03 MrCurious i think i am addicted to the sound of stepper motors
19:05 GuShH lawl
19:05 GuShH all of those features are just extra lines of code
19:05 GuShH and it's not that much code either
19:05 GuShH I think I've posted an old parallel pc library that does just that
19:05 GuShH from back in the day
19:05 MrCurious rather focus on the math of the omni wheels
19:05 MrCurious can optimize it later if needed
19:06 GuShH you probably already got some arduino library for that
19:06 GuShH and it's all spaghetti
19:06 MrCurious but in all seriousness i dont want to have to fall down an 8 bit timing rabbit hole if i dont have to
19:06 GuShH written by an acne riddled kid in some obscure location
19:06 MrCurious rather play at a higher level with vision and behavior
19:06 GuShH sure, Grant.
19:06 GuShH Go play with high level stuff.
19:06 MrCurious thinking its not as spagheti as you might think
19:06 GuShH it is.
19:06 MrCurious who is grant?
19:06 GuShH I've seen it.
19:07 GuShH MrCurious: the asian dude from mythbusters
19:07 MrCurious imahara
19:07 MrCurious i want more stepper drivers NOW!
19:08 GuShH MrCurious: yes, the high level dude.
19:08 GuShH the let's spend 10k of someone else's money to move a swing arm dude
19:09 MrCurious dont you have a new lathe you should be lubin up?
19:09 GuShH the fake teeth short haired asian token
19:09 MrCurious this is my time and money. not a work task
19:09 GuShH whiny pitched like Dave, but Asian. Asian Dave.
19:09 MrCurious did u see this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/07/12/news-station-ktuv-punkd-over-asiana-aircraft-pilots-names/
19:09 GuShH no
19:09 MrCurious wonder how the koreans feel about this cock up
19:09 GuShH if they're gay, they'll enjoy the cock up.
19:10 MrCurious NTSB put out a release with messed up crew names
19:10 MrCurious “Sum Ting Wong,” “Wi Tu Lo,” “Ho Lee Fuk,” and “Bang Ding Ow.”
19:10 GuShH shit happens
19:10 MrCurious a news channel strait face reported it
19:10 GuShH Hahaha
19:11 GuShH MrCurious: Maybe I work there?
19:11 GuShH That's my kind of thang.
19:11 MrCurious over the top
19:11 GuShH I'm friends with Ho Lee Fuk
19:12 GuShH MrCurious: the lathe is taken apart, and the parts are scattered throughout the house
19:12 GuShH Now I just need a garbage bag?
19:13 MrCurious why, you have a woman over?
19:14 GuShH aw
19:14 GuShH hey, they're not just things.
19:14 GuShH they're also thongs and thangs.
19:14 GuShH I better get changed so I can organize the "shop" (garage...)
19:21 rue_house I boobered up my hand, I hope its temporary
19:21 rue_house I think I stunned a nerve that operates side to side of my index finger
19:22 rue_house I was smashing a saw with a piece of wood to free up a joine
19:22 rue_house t
19:22 GuShH wha?
19:22 GuShH what type of saw?
19:22 ShH stares at rue_h
19:22 GuShH do you wear glasses?
19:22 rue_house croscut saw, the siders were frozen
19:22 rue_house yea
19:23 GuShH hmm
19:23 rue_house the way I was swinging on the wood was hitting my palm in a funny way
19:23 GuShH misjudged the distance, or lapse of arduinocy
19:24 GuShH you need a big wooden mallet!
19:24 GuShH I made one
19:24 rue_house repeditive smashing to palm with 2x4 during impact of saw with wood
19:25 GuShH ice it up
19:25 GuShH take some ibuprofen
19:25 GuShH and 2 hours of cartoons
19:25 rue_house it dosn't hurt
19:25 GuShH YOU DO AS THE DOCTOR SAYS
19:25 rue_house my index fingers side ot side action is just a bit screwed
19:25 GuShH we'll retune your servos later.
19:26 GuShH right now you need to oil up and recharge
19:26 rue_house whats the harm in just letting it be swollen or whatever for a bit
19:26 rue_house I got the truck up on blocks
19:26 GuShH you want to avoid inflamation
19:26 rue_house why
19:26 GuShH oh, you stole your own wheels?
19:26 rue_house no, I wanted to know the driveshaft/wheel ratio
19:27 rue_house what I learned is that the rear brakes are siezed
19:27 rue_house kinda
19:27 GuShH heh
19:27 GuShH discs or drums?
19:27 rue_house drum
19:27 GuShH aha
19:27 GuShH could be just surface rust
19:28 rue_house I'll play with them, the whole thing was just 500
19:28 rue_house yea
19:28 GuShH good time to take the drum out and inspect it
19:28 rue_house its been sitting outside for like 2 mo
19:28 rue_house inside for like 5 years
19:28 GuShH I don't know why people assume it's a hard thing to do, replacing drums or discs is very easy
19:28 GuShH hmm, inside in a closed space?
19:28 GuShH or just under a roof, out in the open
19:28 rue_house garage
19:28 GuShH some garages are quite humid though :p
19:28 rue_house inside
19:29 GuShH mine is dry as a bone, it's actually not a very good place to be for a long period of time
19:29 GuShH rue_house: it'll free up easily
19:29 GuShH in fact you can see surface rust on new discs after a heavy rain, the morning after
19:30 GuShH it's nuts
19:30 GuShH but that good thing about it, you can use it to inspect whether the contact is even
19:30 GuShH could just be the drum pad tensioner too
19:30 GuShH that nasty regulated spring
19:30 GuShH (since it's usually set to "almost" touch the drum)
19:31 rue_house it would be kinda nice if it were a 1 peice driveshaft
19:31 GuShH meh, I wonder how much a new set of drums, pads, etc. will cost you
19:31 GuShH I doubt you can get anything like it for 500, not even 1000
19:31 GuShH unless it was rolled over and caught on fire.
19:31 GuShH then I'm sure I could find one
19:31 rue_house I'm not buying them anytime soon, I dont even know if I'll use the truck
19:31 GuShH (here)
19:31 GuShH heh
19:31 GuShH found any corrosion on the chassis, bed, etc?
19:32 GuShH how's the front and rear end in general
19:32 rue_house its got heaps of minor problems
19:32 GuShH I bet the tyres are toasted
19:32 rue_house its a 94 with 336km
19:32 GuShH it's seen some work :p
19:32 rue_house I blocked it up so I dont have to worry about the tires
19:32 rue_house its got no engine
19:32 GuShH eek
19:33 GuShH was it taken as a donor car?
19:33 rue_house I got it for $500 to convert to electric
19:33 GuShH yeah I know, but It hought it came with an engine
19:33 rue_house no
19:33 GuShH usually what 2.0L or more?
19:34 rue_house and when the took the engine, they took the steering pump, slave cluch piston, vacuum accumulator
19:34 rue_house iirc it was a 4.3L
19:34 GuShH heh
19:34 rue_house hla fthe wiring harness...
19:34 GuShH all of it?
19:35 GuShH they clearly got more money out of it doing that
19:35 rue_house half the wiring harness
19:35 rue_house the body is in good shape
19:36 rue_house the driver side lock is done, the heating blower seems dead
19:36 rue_house no spare tire
19:36 rue_house or jack
19:36 Jak_o_Shadows hi
19:36 GuShH meh
19:36 rue_house turn signals dont work, havn't finished checking into that
19:36 rue_house radio seems dead
19:36 GuShH rue_house: bet you'll have to replace bushings on the front end, maybe even bearings on both ends
19:36 GuShH who cares about the radio!!
19:36 rue_house oh no gas tank or exhaust system either
19:36 GuShH I'm thinking you paid way too much for it now
19:37 GuShH heh
19:37 rue_house the arse of the tranny and the driveshaft input on the diff leak oil
19:37 GuShH not good
19:37 GuShH some seals?
19:37 rue_house oh and it you take the shifter off the tranny and turn it upside down oil pours out!
19:37 GuShH bet the boots are all cracked up and dry
19:37 GuShH lol
19:37 rue_house :)
19:37 GuShH ok... so that's quite a few problems
19:38 GuShH but the transmission is intact?
19:38 rue_house brakes need overhaul
19:38 GuShH have you found a way to test it
19:38 rue_house I'm bettng that the brake master needs work
19:38 GuShH or will you part it away
19:38 GuShH as long as there's no water in the lines
19:38 rue_house the tranny sees ok
19:38 GuShH it shouldn't be -that- bad
19:38 GuShH brb
19:38 rue_house we ran it by hand to work out the approx ratios
19:39 rue_house I wonder how much work getting a vehicle working thats been in a flood is
19:40 GuShH interesting... I wonder if I actually broke my left index finger and I didn't notice (it hurt like hell, but it didn't feel that bad) ... got the finger caught between a metal lid and a can a few weeks ago
19:40 GuShH it was bruised up
19:41 GuShH now it healed but I can feel something hard in there :/
19:41 GuShH it's not bone, not sure what it is
19:41 ShH idly stares at the fi
19:41 GuShH internal scarring?
19:41 GuShH is that a thing
19:53 GuShH makita MLC 140 is a south american model only?
20:06 MrCurious this library is driving the stepper way faster than my code got it to
20:13 zhanx ok hacked my new 1tb usb drive so it can run with my raspberry pi,
20:13 zhanx added external power source to it. those stupid usb drives are a pita to open cleanly
21:21 rue_shop2 is cylinder 1 at the front or the back?
21:22 GuShH MrCurious: that speaks heaps of how poorly you code :p
21:22 rue_shop2 zhanx,
21:23 GuShH rue_shop2: is it a 6 cylinder with rear drive?
21:23 GuShH first, left is 1 then
21:24 GuShH if it's front drive and the engine is sideways, first one is usually at the left, seen from the front of the car
21:25 rue_shop2 4 inline
21:25 GuShH don't ask me about firing orders because I don't know off the top of my head
21:25 rue_shop2 ok I'm making 1 the front
21:25 rue_shop2 just numbering
21:25 GuShH thought you didn't have an engine?
21:26 GuShH so the side with the auxiliary drive is 1 (left), output is 4
21:26 GuShH so just remember, gearbox side = last cylinder, if it's transversal
21:27 GuShH but again, no clue on firing orders for all engines
21:27 GuShH I wonder, since they're just 4 cyls, wouldn't the order always be the same (or reverse) for ALL engines in such configuration?
21:28 GuShH Also, try to get the shop manual for that particular car / engine
21:28 GuShH they're great
21:28 GuShH I have one for the honda
21:30 GuShH once saw an old marine engine, cast iron, the firing order was part of the casting, in letters, on the side
21:30 GuShH gotta love that sort of thing
21:30 GuShH wonder why marine diesels are typically so expensive
21:30 GuShH ??
21:34 GuShH bah, had to look it up 1 - 3 - 4 - 2 is common for 4 cyl inline. One thing I noticed is the distributors already come numbered
21:37 GuShH dang it, that RF-25 mill is too expensive...
21:38 GuShH it should cost as much as the lathe, but it's 50% more..
21:38 GuShH nuts
22:25 zhanx rue_shop2, depends on the engine but yours is a chevy right?
22:55 GuShH zhanx: googloids are not welcomed
23:15 rue_house valve cover off, stamped GM
23:15 rue_house I just cleaned about 1 cup of sandy burnt sludge off the inside of the valve cover
23:15 rue_house Tom_itx, could you please tell me via where oil is SUPPOSED to be fed to the top of the engine?
23:16 GuShH look at the gasket
23:16 GuShH there are holes for the passage ways
23:16 GuShH cooling and oiling
23:16 GuShH (it gives you a good hint)
23:16 rue_house its just an outter gasket
23:16 GuShH the head gasket that is, you're not there yet I guess, still up top
23:16 GuShH keep cleaning and it'll show up
23:16 rue_house I'm just at the top
23:17 rue_house dont want to go lower
23:17 GuShH go ahead use carb cleaner, you'll have to drain the pan anyway
23:17 GuShH heat helps also
23:17 rue_house I'm using deisel right now
23:17 GuShH slower but works :p
23:18 GuShH if it's all clogged up, that's a sign of lack of maintainance
23:18 rue_house I'm thining of doing a flush with deisel
23:18 GuShH or it overheated in it's last moments of life
23:18 rue_house I'v been giving it regular oil changes
23:18 rue_house I dont know how old this buildup is
23:18 GuShH odd.
23:18 rue_house I'v had it for over 10 years
23:18 rue_house but when I got it, it had signs of overheating,
23:18 GuShH it's associated with overheating
23:19 rue_house the thermostat was stuck open when I got it
23:19 GuShH and that stuff clings on, it's like glue
23:19 GuShH had to go through that with the honda
23:19 rue_house yea, I had to wire brush it off
23:19 GuShH same story.
23:19 rue_house I'm worried cause I dont think oil is getting to the top
23:19 GuShH new water pump, new thermostat, new radiator
23:19 rue_house its ticking is getting worse
23:19 rue_house oil pressure is fine
23:19 zhanx GuShH, mechcanic by trade i dont google fixing stuff
23:19 GuShH could be just the valve adjustment
23:20 GuShH zhanx: oh yeah you're the weasel
23:20 rue_house but I dont know where in the circuit the oil pressure is measured
23:20 GuShH zhanx: I despise most mechanics.
23:20 GuShH specially those who pretend to know everything because they're "by trade"
23:20 rue_house and compression is reasonable
23:20 GuShH they're the ones that make the most mistakes and cost people the most money.
23:20 rue_house 130-160
23:20 zhanx army mech. oil pressure is measured off the sending unit
23:21 zhanx 130-160 is the psi?
23:21 GuShH rue_house: average? any low cylinder in particular?
23:21 rue_house yea, but is the sender at the outlet of the pump or..?
23:21 rue_house iirc front cyl is lowest
23:21 zhanx by the pump
23:21 rue_house I think its like 130 140 140 160
23:21 GuShH reasonable
23:21 rue_house ah, so it dosn't mean actual oil circulation
23:21 zhanx no
23:21 rue_house :/
23:21 zhanx just what the pump puts out not what getting where
23:22 rue_house if the oil pressure is a hair above half, there is no ticking, if its a hair under, there is
23:22 GuShH not on old cars it doesn't since it's single pickup
23:22 GuShH rue_house: oil dampens noises
23:22 zhanx GuShH, understandable but i dont charge to fix things
23:22 rue_house could I reverse flush the pump from the filter port?
23:22 zhanx no
23:22 GuShH zhanx: neither do I!
23:23 zhanx the pump has an in pan pick up and is ran off the crank or cam depending on the engine
23:23 rue_house should I just do what I can flushing the engine with like 4L of diesel?
23:23 GuShH rue_house: dampening doesn't mean it gets better, it just means you can't hear it, if there's wear / physical damage it's still there.
23:23 zhanx umm diesel no.
23:23 rue_house if there is no oil getting to the valves, its gonna start to tick...
23:23 zhanx yes
23:23 zhanx tick like mad
23:24 rue_house its ticking is minor but getting worse
23:24 zhanx rue missed why we are on the subject
23:24 rue_house I jjstu cleaned about of cup of crap off the inside of hte valve cover
23:24 zhanx and
23:24 GuShH you have to determine if it's a pickup problem or not first
23:24 piney0 try a high detergent oil to clean it out, better than diesel
23:24 rue_house I turned the engine over a bit and calnt see where the oil comes up
23:24 GuShH and because of all the sludge in the top, there's going to be sludge in the pan
23:24 zhanx was it flake or goo
23:24 rue_house I'v got nothing to confirm the top end is getting oil
23:24 GuShH you have to remove the filter, pan, inspect every aspect.
23:25 rue_house flake, sand
23:25 zhanx ok your fine
23:25 zhanx aka you drive too damn slow
23:25 rue_house wont that stuff plug up oiler ports as it comes off?
23:25 zhanx yes a bit not much
23:25 rue_house the speed limit is like 60 here
23:25 GuShH you have to flush with solvent.
23:26 rue_house brake cleaner :) (no)
23:26 zhanx i would set the valve's again with a feeler and see if that takes out the tick
23:26 rue_house !!! oh
23:26 GuShH and after this, you'll have to perform a very quick oil change, because there will still be crap coming off.
23:26 zhanx yes
23:26 rue_house yea
23:26 zhanx get junk oil
23:26 GuShH tick is irrelevant, he has a lubrication issue.
23:26 zhanx ok
23:26 zhanx tick is many things
23:26 rue_house shall I flush with deisel before I do the oil change?
23:27 GuShH he just noticed the valves need adjusting because of the lack of oil :p
23:27 GuShH might take very long hours with diesel
23:27 zhanx rue, personally i would but thats on you
23:27 GuShH diesel is great for soaking parts
23:27 rue_house just to flush down bits of crap
23:27 zhanx i would run it about an hour
23:27 Jak_o_Shadows Adventures in hot wire cutters: I need to put a load resistor in I think.
23:27 rue_house zhanx, run it with?
23:27 GuShH Jak_o_Android: what ya cuttin?
23:27 rue_house diesel for oil or scrap oil?
23:27 rue_house real oil?
23:28 zhanx rue 1 quart of diesel with decent but cheap oil new
23:28 Jak_o_Shadows Styrofoam. Got a little hand-hold one, but the power supply I was using for that doesn't cut it with the length of wire I have now.
23:28 rue_house ok
23:28 rue_house wait, I think my engine only takes a quart
23:28 rue_house :)
23:28 zhanx i would also check my lifter clearance and timing
23:28 Jak_o_Shadows So i'm planning on using a 450W ATX power supply
23:28 zhanx takes 4.8 i think
23:29 zhanx to proper full
23:29 rue_house yea, there should be a cover to access that stuff on the side right?..
23:29 zhanx yes and no. timing is via light
23:29 rue_house but for the lifter gapping
23:29 rue_house er,
23:29 rue_house brb
23:29 zhanx k
23:30 zhanx lifter gap is done on top of the engine
23:30 GuShH why are you even talking about timing at this point, and why do you suspect it's off'
23:30 GuShH ?
23:30 GuShH you have a lubrication problem!
23:31 zhanx ok
23:31 zhanx what do the exhaust valves do?
23:31 GuShH if it's shaking, you could have misfire or similar though.
23:31 rue_house gap under rocker arm?
23:31 zhanx rue yes
23:31 rue_house gap as per engine make?
23:31 GuShH leave the gaps as they are right now, tackle your lubrication problem first.
23:32 groglogic GuShH: that's what the lady said on her honeymoon night. *rimshot*
23:32 GuShH o.o
23:32 rue_house yea, I want to make sure that oil is getitng up there
23:32 MrCurious well, zimmerman is not guilty.... guess we have to wait a few years for him to get arrested for stealing sports memoribelia with a gun
23:32 MrCurious (reverse O.J.)
23:32 GuShH You know, whether mechanics admit to this or not, shop air does wonders.
23:33 MrCurious never machine aluminum with out it
23:33 GuShH most of their solutions are very low tech. Think a rock and a caveman.
23:33 zhanx it does and i think rue might have done it already
23:33 GuShH Which is why most clamps, clips, etc. get all banged up and damaged when you leave your vehicle to -any- mechanic.
23:33 rue_house zhanx, so your saying junk is from condensate from engine not getting and staying hot for long enough?
23:34 zhanx rue, possible to get an audio clip of it running and a video of the exhaust on start up?
23:34 GuShH zhanx: dunno, it's messy but it works. also flooding with solvent and letting it sit (if level goes down right away, awesome, if it takes a long time, let it soak and repeat... simple)
23:34 rue_house zhanx, no smoke :)
23:34 MrCurious i have tried storing aluminum in freezer prior to machining to reduce melting to the tool head
23:34 GuShH pan dropped, he needs to inspect it anyway
23:34 zhanx rue yes some of it, over time builds up. but remember i am diesel mech
23:35 GuShH I bet it's full of sludgy sandy poop
23:35 GuShH MrCurious: did it make a difference?
23:36 GuShH Jak_o_Android: ah... usually you'd want a constant current supply instead of a constant voltage supply
23:36 MrCurious for about 20 seconds
23:36 MrCurious could see the heat wave roll across it
23:36 zhanx rue just treat it like a turbine engine and rpm test it. :D
23:36 GuShH Jak_o_Android: 3.3v rail is dissipating too much heat through your wire?
23:36 GuShH I know if it gets too hot, you get shrinkage and all sorts of problems with styrofoam
23:37 MrCurious have had good results with compressed air or wd40
23:37 Jak_o_Shadows Haven't managed to get the power supply working yet. It's fresh out a computer.
23:37 Jak_o_Shadows So yeah, I'll let you know
23:37 GuShH zhanx wants rue_house to just crank the engine without the valve cover and see if oil seeps up!
23:38 rue_house it dosn't tried it
23:38 rue_house which concerns me
23:38 GuShH I'm willing to bet only a few drops will pop up
23:38 Jak_o_Shadows First time doing one of these
23:38 rue_house NONE
23:38 GuShH soak it
23:38 rue_house but I dont know where the oil should come up from
23:38 GuShH instead of shoving things into the passageways because that just drops down the problem, doesn't really solve it heh
23:38 zhanx shop vac it
23:39 GuShH rue_house: it depends on the block design, flood it anyway. You said it's all nasty, needs a good cleanup either way.
23:40 GuShH problem with wire brushing and letting all the crap go down is that you get the entire system clogged up
23:40 zhanx shop vac
23:40 GuShH the oil filter is designed to retain small particles
23:40 GuShH carbon, metal...
23:40 rue_house I tried not to free anything, but there is tonnnes of loose crap in there
23:40 GuShH zhanx's suggestion works :p
23:41 zhanx rue thats actually normal
23:41 rue_house somone had the cover off before, there are bits of the wire loom in there
23:41 zhanx for engines not ran at high rpms
23:41 GuShH heh
23:41 GuShH I wonder what they did
23:41 rue_house I dunno, I have a new valve cover seal, the old one is toast
23:42 rue_house it was leaking from the cover, thats the other reason I'm doing this
23:42 GuShH good, don't use RTV or any of that shit.
23:42 zhanx rue ship it to me i will rebuilt and send it back
23:42 rue_house :)
23:42 GuShH gasket adhesive is ok, but nothing else
23:42 zhanx rtv is good for things
23:42 GuShH zhanx: sorry, no.
23:42 rue_house cmon on vaccation over here!
23:42 zhanx same here
23:42 GuShH on a small 2 stroke engine, rtv is fine.
23:42 rue_house what state?
23:42 zhanx nc right now
23:42 zhanx i come off leave tomorrow
23:43 rue_house damnit man, thats about as far as you can get from me
23:43 zhanx i know right
23:43 rue_house I could visit tom AND kat
23:44 zhanx both ways
23:44 GuShH rue_house: I would also inspect the oil pump at this stage...
23:44 rue_house so, because of the oil pickup pump, I cant take the oil pan off without pulling the engine
23:44 GuShH Similar to the water pump, you can't trust it to be fully operational
23:45 rue_house yes I can, I replaced it
23:45 rue_house and blead the damn thing
23:45 GuShH So the system was not clogged when you replaced the pump?
23:45 rue_house no, I replaced the pump cause the shaft fell out
23:46 rue_house while driving of course
23:46 ShH blinks and stares at z
23:46 GuShH this reminds me of the motorcycle rebar kickstand for some reason
23:46 rue_house I'm glad fire stations have a good set of tools
23:46 zhanx sorry was getting a beer
23:46 GuShH thanks for offering said beer
23:46 GuShH pfft.
23:46 GuShH nevermind, had three already. no more.
23:47 rue_house I should have bought a filter
23:47 GuShH not because I don't want more, I just don't have anymore.
23:47 GuShH you should have several filters on a shelf :p
23:47 zhanx rue is called putty works to hold parts in place like hotdog buns
23:47 rue_house http://remanufactured.com/_borders/3.0%20L%20longblock%20marine%20port%20side.jpg
23:47 rue_house aha
23:49 zhanx or oil and pepper your choice
23:49 GuShH I'd be surprised if the military allowed RTV at all on their vehicles.
23:49 zhanx i rebuild transmissions the wrong way all the time
23:49 zhanx GuShH, we use it ALL the time
23:49 GuShH Fuck me.
23:49 GuShH No wonder.
23:49 GuShH 'nuf said.
23:49 zhanx depends on the grade and location
23:50 GuShH I'm going to conclude that you are not an OCD mechanic but rather a FIELD mechanic.
23:50 GuShH So you probably carry duct tape on your belt.
23:50 ShH nudges z
23:50 zhanx hubs are black rtv only grade 2 etc... and not i a OCD, aircraft certified, but sometimes you get the job done
23:51 GuShH What's the sloppiest fix so far
23:51 GuShH (which might be the one that held the longest)
23:51 zhanx mre wrapper and duct tape to repair an oil pan after an ied and it held 29 miles back to base
23:52 GuShH lol
23:52 Jak_o_Shadows duct tape is standard issue?
23:52 GuShH my only problem with duct tape is the residue it leaves behind, wd40 removes it with some elbow grease.. but still.
23:52 zhanx tree bark and duct tape after my lower hose blew..
23:52 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: heh pretty much
23:52 zhanx duct is on BDR kits
23:53 zhanx and BDR is standard issue
23:53 GuShH you shouldn't be surprised, it's good stuff
23:53 GuShH ON A PINCH
23:53 zhanx yep
23:53 zhanx like god damn vise grips
23:53 zhanx in a pinch they are good
23:53 GuShH err I couldn't do anything without vise grips
23:54 GuShH well, almost.
23:54 GuShH But say, welding. They're a must.
23:54 zhanx yes
23:55 zhanx i am a shit welder, it holds is all
23:55 GuShH Well...
23:55 zhanx but i can cut
23:55 GuShH Cosmetics come after strength.
23:55 GuShH You can do "stacked dime" welds, but maybe they're cold as shit.
23:55 GuShH What's the point then
23:56 zhanx my shit holds looks like ass but holds
23:57 GuShH Then if you ever want it pretty just paint with rust converter, fill with bondo, grind down... boom. What else do you need! That's how you can do pretty welds without them showing heh
23:57 zhanx anyways rue, make a list of what could be wrong and then check them off one by one. your good at that
23:57 GuShH (and that's how a lot of people do it, of course you can tell something is off when there are NO welding marks whatsoever)
23:58 zhanx took a class on welding missed 90% of it and was the only one to pass the xray test
23:58 GuShH what type of welding
23:58 zhanx stick
23:58 zhanx aka tig
23:58 GuShH ok then you have the right technique to avoid inclusions and you know the basics on amperage and feed, what else would you need
23:59 zhanx style
23:59 GuShH wait a minute
23:59 GuShH stick is not aka tig!
23:59 GuShH stick is SMAW
23:59 zhanx whatever its called then
23:59 GuShH (flux coated electrode, no shield gas)
23:59 zhanx like i said i missed most of the class
23:59 GuShH sigh
23:59 rue_house ok shoudl I see oil come up from a few seconds of cranking?
23:59 zhanx no gas is right. and no
23:59 GuShH I never took a real class, and I'm not certified. Just sayin'