#robotics Logs
Jul 03 2013
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00:45 rue_house so I'm making poutine...
00:46 rue_house GuShh_, what are you doing to the lathe?
00:57 RifRaf chips and gravy?
01:07 rue_house I JUST MADE TEH MOST SWESOME POUTINE EVER!
01:07 rue_house yea
01:07 rue_house and cheese
01:07 orlok i got made redundant!
01:07 orlok i'm unemployed!
01:07 orlok i was looking for work anyway, and already have an interview lined up for next week
01:07 orlok AND
01:07 orlok i managed to buy a pile of gear from my ex-employer dirt cheap
01:08 orlok dual output digital bench PSU, fluke dual bench DMM, reflow iron, reflow/desolder iron, weller soldering station
01:08 orlok 4 channel 1Ghz Tek digital storage scope
01:09 orlok isolation transformer
01:09 orlok i decided i didnt need the variac
01:09 rue_house they go under?
01:10 orlok yeah, pretty much
01:10 orlok they stopped doing serious electronics work a year or two back
01:10 orlok and everything has been sent to india
01:11 orlok theres one tech left
01:11 Jak_o_Android So in all, probably a very good thing for you.
01:11 orlok 3 people in the office, 6 months ago there were 20
01:11 orlok yeah, i got about 4 months worth of payout
01:11 orlok the CRO is stupidly nice
01:12 orlok well, its not even a CRO
01:12 orlok TFT panel, it runs WinME
01:12 Jak_o_Android pretty nice
01:13 orlok just hope i dont have to sell it to pay the mortgage
01:13 orlok i got it for $200
01:13 rue_house here is hoping they are cursed with communication problems for the rest of their days eh?
01:14 orlok also a nice 24" powerboard, some other crap
01:14 orlok hmm, i need more bench space
01:17 Jak_o_Android Can never have enough bench space.
01:17 robotustra work on the floor
01:17 orlok at least i have a dedicated space for the bench(es) now
01:35 MrCurious hey robotustra that sleep thing you were contemplating...
01:35 MrCurious hows that going?
01:36 MrCurious best photobomb of the week http://www.salon.com/2013/07/02/bizarre_gay_pride_photobomb_makes_it_to_front_page_of_local_paper/
01:40 MrCurious whoa! charlie sheen looks 40 - 50 on his face, but 60 - 70 from the neck down
01:42 MrCurious so this is what it feels like to come 30 seconds after the train pulls out...
01:46 zap0 wha?! news that some news made it to a news site?
01:46 zap0 ohh kaayyy
01:46 MrCurious the pink sign :)
01:47 MrCurious we need to reach out to that one and ask him to make robots
01:48 robotustra MrCurious: I started to see the second season of falling sky
01:48 MrCurious :)
01:48 MrCurious hooked?
01:49 MrCurious the new friendly aliens... not sure what to make of them
01:50 MrCurious tomorrow my new steppers come :)
01:50 MrCurious right before a 4 day weekend
01:51 robotustra it all you did
01:51 MrCurious syntax error.
01:54 robotustra That's what you did
01:54 robotustra with me
01:55 MrCurious are you enjoying falling sky. i can only assume yes as you have made it to second season
01:55 MrCurious have you learned that when you ask me for good series, you end up losing a week or two to watching them>
01:56 robotustra yep
01:56 robotustra I'm just enjoy my life
01:56 robotustra I just enjoy my life
01:57 MrCurious :)
01:58 robotustra people are weak, they cannot resist to any еуьзефешщт
01:58 robotustra temptation
01:58 robotustra so do I
01:58 MrCurious еуьзефешщт is what i imagine the name of a "beholder" is in russian
02:01 MrCurious on that note.... http://www.rpgbooster.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Beholder-hat-IMG_1848.jpg
02:02 MrCurious thinking egypt is about to turn into one interesting reality tv show
07:41 KongfuPanda hello
07:42 KongfuPanda so I bought a stepper motor
07:42 DagoRed cool
07:42 DagoRed orlok: how's it goin?
07:42 KongfuPanda but I confused things and apparently its shaft is just a piece of steel 6.35 mm (cyllinder)
07:42 KongfuPanda there is flat
07:42 KongfuPanda there is NO flat * sorry
07:42 Jak_o_Shadows Maybe it wants one of those screw-type things, where you put screws through the coupler
07:44 DagoRed Or it is friction based.
07:44 KongfuPanda yeah
07:45 DagoRed I a flat spot is needed, nothing a little emory cloth and some spare time can't handle.
07:45 KongfuPanda if I buy a "pilot -type" bore sporocket, will it hold?
07:45 KongfuPanda http://www.technobotsonline.com/sprockets-and-chain/steel-sprockets/tbot-6mm-steel-sprockets.html
07:46 KongfuPanda probably it will
07:46 KongfuPanda I just need to tighten it a lot
08:38 RifRaf KongfuPanda, you just need a grub screw
08:39 RifRaf and you can just file a small flat spot of shaft to let it bite in better
08:40 RifRaf you'll have to drill and tap a thread for the grub screw into your hub or buy a hub that has one already
18:11 GuShH Rif: Seems nobody sells the cabinet for the lathe... I think I'll end up copying it and making it from scratch, but so far I couldn't find the specs anywhere, only a picture (I could derive the sizes, but there's no internal view...)
18:11 GuShH http://www.machine.co.nz/product-photos/lathe-engineers-new-cammac-model-cq6123b500_26682-2.JPG
18:11 GuShH I can see why it's imported without, as it take a lot of space in the container...
18:12 GuShH tried to move the bed and headstock upstairs with a weakling... said person couldn't deal with the light part (I was holding the headstock portion) ... so that's a failed attempt to get it upstairs.
18:12 GuShH either all these years of exercising have paid off, or most people are just friggin weak.
18:16 GuShH oh rue_house has it too
18:18 GuShH looks like a 3 part bench
18:23 ShH ooOOoOo( this ought to be karma at some lev
18:28 Rif yeah the stand is like a small cabinet at each end with a bit of metal that joins them together under the lathe
18:28 GuShH oh I see http://toolco.co.uk/pages/bakery/1022gb--1022gv-lathe-cabinet-stand-321.php
18:28 GuShH I just need to copy it now (maybe make it better?)
18:28 GuShH It's going to cost me more than the 150 pounds listed on that site though, heh
18:28 Rif never had an issue with it, seems firm enough
18:29 GuShH I can only stick weld though, so nothing too thin.
18:29 Rif pretty sure it was like $250 or so when i got it
18:29 GuShH I don't have the option to buy it
18:29 Rif but worth it to have a decent stand
18:29 GuShH already asked around, tons of places
18:29 GuShH I know...
18:29 GuShH I would invest on it, but nobody imported them
18:29 Rif well a solid bench with a few holes in it should do the job then
18:29 GuShH Only for the bigger models (950mm?)
18:30 GuShH but they come with the lathe only
18:30 GuShH saw the shipping boxes, it's like a small car in size!
18:30 GuShH If I build one I want it to look like the real thing.
18:30 GuShH Not just a few chunks of steel welded together.
18:32 GuShH funny though, the wood lathe came with it's stand, but that's because it's all bolted together, so it doesn't take up space in the box
18:32 GuShH (gross weight 90KG)
18:33 GuShH phaw look at this baby http://images.machineryhouse.com.au/L183/0/700
18:33 GuShH that's better than porn right there
18:33 GuShH look at the clutch handle!
18:33 GuShH on the apron
18:33 GuShH I think they sell those as "gunsmith" lathes
18:47 Rif i have to make an illuminated sign with 480 beers bottles :)
18:58 Tom_itx you gonna be sober enough once you have enough to make it?
19:00 Rif heh they are supplying empty beer bottles with lids on, no fun
19:01 rue_house GuShH, what do I have?
19:02 Tom_itx rue_house you about ready to get into linuxcnc yet?
19:02 Tom_itx i'm just wishin i had heavier hardware to play with
19:05 GuShH rue_house: the cabinet / stand for the lathe
19:05 rue_house I just made a table
19:05 GuShH you did? I thought you bought the original one
19:05 rue_house squarestock and a welder
19:05 rue_house hell no
19:05 GuShH well yeah, but I want to copy the one it comes with
19:05 rue_house even the sales guy said it was too short
19:05 GuShH ah well the height can be set as I design it
19:05 rue_house its sheet metal, have a break?
19:06 GuShH but I want it to have two doors and a couple shelves
19:06 GuShH oh?
19:06 GuShH no square stock in there?
19:06 GuShH just bent sheet metal? the fuck
19:06 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040771.jpg
19:06 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040772.jpg
19:06 GuShH I'm more of a CAD guy
19:06 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040779.jpg
19:07 rue_house I'm more NAD
19:07 GuShH That's more or less how I planned to do it
19:07 Tom_itx what cad?
19:07 GuShH But covered in sheet metal
19:07 GuShH Tom_itx: does it matter?
19:08 Tom_itx not all are equal
19:08 Tom_itx newer ones are 'feature' cad
19:08 GuShH but what counts is the end product
19:08 GuShH I use C4D with some old "cad" plugins
19:08 Tom_itx etch-o-sketch?
19:08 GuShH you can even use sketchup is that all you have
19:08 GuShH (is that what it's called ?)
19:09 GuShH I've used Solidworks for a while, but after the license expired I couldn't be arsed. Too expensive and I don't want to be using illegal crap
19:09 rue_house GuShH, tonight I'm gonna work on listing some screws on ebay
19:09 GuShH rue_house: I solved the problem in the end
19:09 GuShH brother paid for it with his credit card
19:10 GuShH (but it wouldn't renew, so I had to send about 4 emails to solve it)
19:10 GuShH all companies will take your cash ASAP but they will have all kinds of excuses when it comes to actually giving you what you paid for...
19:10 Rif openscad is pretty neat
19:10 GuShH haven't tried it
19:10 GuShH should I give it a go?
19:10 GuShH is it anything like blender though?
19:10 Rif am just learning it, you need to understand code a bit
19:11 Tom_itx i don't like openscad
19:11 Rif nope, you type everything
19:11 Tom_itx it's all triangles
19:11 GuShH hell no.
19:11 GuShH I don't want to go back to the 80s
19:11 Rif Tom_itx you should see what i can make with it already in a few days
19:11 Tom_itx i'd rather shoot myself
19:11 Rif heh
19:11 GuShH with a hollow point?
19:11 Tom_itx i've messed with it a bit
19:11 rue_house its like povray but using a language thats really limited
19:11 GuShH NOOO
19:11 GuShH povray shouldn't exist
19:12 Rif great for simple 3d m,odelling
19:12 ShH turns g
19:12 rue_house povrays language is EWAY more advanced than scad
19:12 GuShH I'll stay with what I use!
19:12 GuShH even if it isn't strictly CAD
19:12 Tom_itx me too
19:12 GuShH works for me
19:12 Rif well i was able to make a pretty complex shape in a short while so am happy
19:12 Tom_itx however i'd like to learn solidworks
19:12 GuShH "3 weeks"
19:12 GuShH solidworks is rather simple in fact
19:12 GuShH once you wrap your mind around the parametric models
19:13 Tom_itx it's as complex as you care to make it
19:13 GuShH I liked it, but it was a bit cumbersome
19:14 GuShH rue_house: see, I look at your lathe stand and I can't help but think "lost space
19:14 GuShH you could have a shelf or something in there
19:14 GuShH for chucks, etc
19:15 rue_house http://www.alexholden.net/misc/TracyToolsBoltsBig.png
19:15 GuShH wth
19:15 GuShH lol
19:15 Tom_itx rue_house, i like your lathe
19:15 Tom_itx you'd better keep your shop door locked
19:15 GuShH are you threatening him?
19:15 Tom_itx never
19:16 GuShH Or just basic human impulse
19:16 GuShH I think if I went anywhere near his shop I'd turn into the shop dog.
19:16 Tom_itx it lacks the tailstock quick release though
19:16 GuShH lol
19:16 GuShH as does mine!
19:17 GuShH But not for long.
19:17 GuShH I like the prestripped bolts.
19:17 Tom_itx and it doesn't have any servos mounted on the axis yet
19:18 GuShH that's odd, maybe it isn't rue's
19:18 GuShH I'm surprised there isn't a robot in charge of the lathe.
19:19 Tom_itx i wonder if i should take off tomorrow or work tomorrow and take friday off
19:19 GuShH worth it at all? http://www.ebay.com/itm/130900141651
19:19 GuShH do what you gotta do!
19:19 GuShH So I got a couple SSRs.. one of them hums, the hell?
19:19 GuShH I thought they were solid state, no coils.
19:20 Tom_itx i've got 2 pairs of snapring pliers, both are reversable
19:20 Tom_itx straight and angled
19:20 GuShH FOTEK SSR-25 DA
19:20 Tom_itx you moe the screw over to reverse em
19:20 Tom_itx move*
19:21 GuShH Isn't it nice... I decide to use SSRs to go solid state, get rid of the "cachuck!" every time the relay engages, get rid of the humming... AND THEY HUM
19:21 Tom_itx ssr for what?
19:21 GuShH No load, or with load... it hums.
19:21 GuShH I had a 40W resistive load
19:22 GuShH They're normally open, for the furnace at home.
19:22 GuShH blower, etc.
19:22 rue_house http://homepage.ntlworld.com/expatjokes/engineering.html
19:22 rue_house read the washer specs
19:22 GuShH and another one I got for the lathe
19:24 GuShH haha
19:28 GuShH I'm still not sure how the leadscrew is supposed to be lubricated... no lube point on the apron allows this http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3740f.jpg, you are just forced to apply oil on top of the actual leadscrew then?
19:28 GuShH Also notice how small the halfnut is, it used to be twice as big on older versions.
19:29 rue_house mine has lubers in the top that drip oil down in there
19:29 GuShH well, the ones up top are for the ways
19:29 GuShH in theory one should lube up the gears, but it doesn't
19:30 GuShH you know how very old big lathes had wicks inside?
19:30 GuShH all to channel the oil, pretty clever.
19:30 GuShH doubt I can do that with so little space available, but it's a nice concept.
19:31 Tom_itx brass tube drip lube system
19:33 GuShH Tom_itx: or I should fill up the paint gun with oil and spray it all over the lathe instead!
19:33 GuShH no, I'd rather not.
19:34 GuShH I already get plenty oil speckle on everything I paint, because I've been too cheap to buy a proper filter.
19:34 GuShH (oil and water...)
19:34 GuShH can't complain about the cheapie air compressor, works very well for what it is.
19:37 Tom_itx well lather it up in grease and forget it then
19:38 GuShH I used lithium grease on some parts, but I fear swarf would get caught into the grease
19:38 Tom_itx i used to have a filter/drier on mine
19:38 Tom_itx damn'd if ya do and damn'd if ya don't
19:39 GuShH hmm on winter I wouldn't need a drier
19:39 GuShH since the air in the garage is as dry as it gets due to the heating system
19:39 GuShH but, painting on winter is usually a bad idea
19:40 Tom_itx reminds me i should drain the tank
19:40 GuShH I do it every time before I turn it on (I don't leave it on)
19:40 Tom_itx may have a gal of water in it by now
19:40 GuShH I want to install a solenoid valve and a simple controller
19:40 GuShH but I never get around it
19:40 GuShH the idea is for it to purge before every start cycle
19:40 Tom_itx 5hp 80 gal
19:40 GuShH yeah that's bigger than mine, but they all collect water nonetheless
19:41 Tom_itx i put a valve on the bottom
19:41 Tom_itx with a hose so i can fill a bucket
19:42 GuShH a friend works at a bowling alley in the uk... when he first got there he decided to drain the compressor tank, turns out they never actually drained it in who knows how many years... he removed almost half of it's capacity in water.
19:42 GuShH came out like chocolate milk.
19:42 GuShH I would be scared to work nearby that tank, knowing how neglected it was
19:42 Tom_itx meh
19:43 Tom_itx we just shot screws in the rusty holes of the old one
19:43 GuShH o.O
19:47 GuShH I tend to respect anything working at over 5BAR
20:42 GuShH I think this original concept might be overkill.. http://gushh.net/tmp/lathe%20stand%20mk2.png
20:42 robotustra evening
20:43 GuShH it's missing the mounting plates and the doors
20:43 GuShH I might cap the vertical cuts, not sure...
20:43 robotustra this frame is weak
20:43 GuShH robotustra: not really
20:44 GuShH Just because it wasn't made in Russia doesn't make it weak.
20:44 robotustra tubes on top should go trough all length IMHO
20:44 robotustra but you cut it on 3 pieces
20:44 GuShH while it's true that welds can be seen as weak points, only the beginning and end of each weld is
20:45 GuShH robotustra: in theory I will have this separate in 3 pieces
20:45 robotustra ok
20:45 GuShH I like things I make to be easy to transport
20:45 robotustra yep, me too
20:45 robotustra but I would like to bolt an extra frame on top
20:45 GuShH I made an electronics bench that can be taken apart with a few screws and packed up like an IKEA product heh
20:46 GuShH robotustra: any observations? the load on this stand is 200KG
20:46 GuShH 70% to the left
20:46 GuShH I think the original stand is a lot weaker
20:47 GuShH but I have not seen it.
20:47 robotustra what is the meaning of bars in the middle
20:47 GuShH http://toolco.co.uk/pages/bakery/1022gb--1022gv-lathe-cabinet-stand-321.php -- http://www.machine.co.nz/product-photos/lathe-engineers-new-cammac-model-cq6123b500_26682-2.JPG
20:47 GuShH just spacers and to prevent the two parts from shifting
20:47 GuShH the dimensions are not finished... I need to obtain them from the pictures, since I don't have any specs
20:48 robotustra shifting in what direction?
20:48 GuShH I think the stands on those pictures are in 3 pieces, mounted with bolts
20:48 GuShH the top is the swarf tray, which I've got
20:48 GuShH older model http://toolco.co.uk/pages/bakery/920-lathe-cabinet-stand-386.php
20:49 GuShH looks like it's mostly sheet metal, bent and tack welded, maybe to a small structure underneath, maybe no structure. I haven't seen them.
20:49 robotustra why do you need so much clearence between two sides?
20:49 GuShH robotustra: also the idea is to limit distortion on the bed, so you don't want any torsion on the stand either
20:50 robotustra yes that's why I'm asking
20:50 GuShH on the Y axis? no reason, unfinished.
20:50 GuShH I'd like to have a drawer, but the implications of that are massive when it comes to fabrication with very few tools
20:50 GuShH it looks like the real one actually uses two sheet metal spacers in between the columns
20:51 GuShH it cannot be more rigid than mine, it's designed to be cheap
20:51 GuShH and have the columns take the load
20:51 robotustra I mean that the join of two sides should have bigger height
20:52 ShH is still waiting on the quote for the materials, but decided to make a quick sketch to see what's involved in fabrica
20:52 GuShH lots of welds... lots of cuts...
20:52 GuShH robotustra: this is what rue made instead http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040779.jpg
20:53 GuShH it's structurally sound, but serves no other purpose -- I'd like to have storage space
20:53 robotustra yes I saw this already
20:53 GuShH oh sorry mr seen it all!
20:53 robotustra no, I just brosed his cite 2 week ago
20:53 GuShH lol
20:54 GuShH stalker!
20:54 robotustra :)
20:54 robotustra no
20:54 GuShH I actually wonder about his smelter
20:54 robotustra He give me a link
20:54 GuShH http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/
20:54 GuShH gasoline powered? ever got any good casts?
20:55 GuShH I've only ever cast small cylinders in aluminum... open cast.
20:55 robotustra I was thinking about induction oven heatin/melting
20:55 GuShH that's too fancy for me
20:56 GuShH I want FLAMES
20:56 robotustra is it more evergy efficient
20:56 GuShH it is? :(
20:56 GuShH most people use propane, or natural gas
20:56 robotustra I'm not sure but think that it can
20:56 GuShH I think it's still more efficient than buying alu stock, for some things
20:56 GuShH electricity isn't cheap in some parts of the world though
20:56 robotustra or you can use a hidrogen
20:58 GuShH I can actually melt alu using the burner from the heating system at home, but there's very little space for a crucible in there...
20:58 GuShH the refractory bricks inside turn red after half an hour heh
20:59 GuShH (if I could find a simple way to get a crucible in and out of there, I could melt up to a liter of aluminum easily)
21:00 GuShH robotustra: I think separate pieces are stronger than long pieces, because the longer you go, the higher you flex with steel
21:02 robotustra if you cur 1 piece on 3 peaces and join then them into 1 piece - you will get weaker construction than original one
21:03 robotustra unless you did hardener welding with bigger crossection than original one
21:03 GuShH in theory. once you combine vertical and horizontal parts, welded all around and capped, it becomes stronger
21:03 GuShH except for the beginning and end of each weld, which are weak spots
21:04 GuShH but this is not going to hold 20 tons, just 200KG
21:04 GuShH so it gives you a lot of creative license as well
21:04 GuShH there's no way to make a universal stand, since bigger lathes are, well, bigger.
21:05 robotustra are you doing universal one?
21:05 GuShH keep in mind I have to cut everything by hand with an angle grinder.
21:06 robotustra it's metter to use a saw
21:06 robotustra disk saw
21:06 robotustra of grinder with the mount
21:06 GuShH I know it is, I don't have one.
21:06 robotustra I advise you to make it first
21:06 GuShH I use what I have...
21:07 GuShH So ideally the least cuts, the better
21:07 Jak_o_Shadows because a pirate is free
21:07 GuShH what?
21:07 robotustra becuse all your cuts will be not even and you'll send a lot of time to fix them
21:07 GuShH I know, that's why they make grinding discs
21:07 GuShH robotustra: however I'm pretty good at it, the trick is in following the scribed lines!
21:08 robotustra :)
21:08 GuShH then making sure each part can stand on it's own, that's good enough for this application
21:08 GuShH it's not going into deep space.
21:08 robotustra go ahead, I did a lot of cuts with a grinder
21:08 GuShH If you want you can buy me the required tools :p
21:08 Jak_o_Shadows Deep Space Lathe
21:08 GuShH lol
21:08 robotustra and with a cutter
21:09 robotustra saw is more efficient
21:09 GuShH jesus.
21:09 robotustra and gives less heat
21:09 robotustra ok
21:09 GuShH what part of "I can't afford it" is hard to understand?
21:09 ShH s
21:09 GuShH I wish I could have a shop full of every power tool I ever wanted
21:10 GuShH if I ever win the "lotto" I will get one.
21:11 robotustra GuShH: you kmow, you can afford a lot of stuff with comparison to average russian home constructor
21:11 GuShH huh?
21:11 GuShH And if you want to be such a pedantic asshole, why not suggest a CNC plasma cutter?
21:12 ShH fr
21:13 GuShH Hrm, maximum angle for the doors isn't wide enough with inside hinges
21:16 GuShH robotustra: one problem with cast iron beds on lathes is flexing, specially if you mount them to an uneven surface
21:16 GuShH under torque it tends to distort the iron
21:17 GuShH sounds odd but it's a reality
21:17 GuShH it can bow and flex
21:17 robotustra what is the maximal precision you are going to achive on your lathe?
21:18 GuShH in russian units?
21:18 robotustra any units
21:18 GuShH 3 sputniks
21:18 robotustra 3 dicks
21:18 GuShH that works as well.
21:18 GuShH 1.2 smirnoffs
21:19 GuShH Hrmm I'll most likely rivet the sheet metal sides
21:19 GuShH I don't like the idea of welding such long beads
21:19 GuShH bolts are another idea..
21:19 GuShH but tapping makes me sick
21:19 GuShH and welding nuts is even worse.
21:20 GuShH at least with the rivets it's a single hole and nothing else.
21:20 GuShH cheap too.
21:21 robotustra I would make a long sides of table with this profiles like in the middle on the picture http://www.lestnitcy.ru/f/info/ris45.gif
21:21 GuShH I beams?
21:22 MrCurious WHY ARE REPUBLICANS ATTACKING OUR WOMEN!
21:22 GuShH I DONT KNOW MAN
21:22 GuShH WHY IS PEOPLE SETTING OUR TRAIN STATIONS ON FIRE BY THE WAY?
21:22 MrCurious am i yelling I GOT SWIMMERS EAR
21:22 GuShH THIS LOOKS LIKE BRAZIL
21:22 GuShH I GOT POOP IN MY EARS
21:22 MrCurious EGYPT IS SETTING ITS WOMEN ON FIRE?
21:22 GuShH (this is starting to sound like the craig ferguson show)
21:22 GuShH They are?
21:22 MrCurious he is funny
21:23 GuShH I like to set my testicles on fire.
21:23 MrCurious his robot is cool
21:23 GuShH lol
21:23 MrCurious (in a very gay way)
21:23 GuShH it was made by grant
21:23 GuShH from "mythbusters"
21:23 GuShH did you know?
21:23 MrCurious i did not
21:23 GuShH cool that?
21:23 GuShH it all began through twitter, I think
21:23 GuShH grant said he would build him a robot if he would showcase it on the show
21:24 MrCurious did grant stipulate it would be a gay oriented robot, or did craig bring that bit
21:28 GuShH lol
21:28 GuShH MrCurious: I'm not sure. I think the actor playing the robot gave it that persona
21:28 GuShH he's a comedian, forgot his name...
21:28 GuShH I think you've seen his work on YouTube
21:28 GuShH he impersonates a lot of celebrities
21:28 MrCurious a gay comedian? doesnt exist
21:28 MrCurious cant exist
21:28 GuShH he's not gay
21:28 MrCurious well where is the humor in that?
21:29 GuShH the hell, a live center SET? http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIGH-PRECISION-2MT-UNIVERSAL-LIVE-CENTER-SET-FOR-GRIZZLY-7-X12-MINI-METAL-LATHE-/121121718766?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item1c336ac1ee
21:29 GuShH and to think they're just selling me a single live center with nothing else
21:30 GuShH robotustra: I've seen lots of homemade wood lathes made with I beams for the bed
21:31 GuShH robotustra: swarf tray, had to take a pic for dimensions http://gushh.net/tmp/dscn3726f.jpg
21:32 MrCurious real crafts men make a grass lathe to make a wood lathe to make a metal lathe
21:32 MrCurious they draw their own wire and make their own motors
21:32 Tom_itx and they don't get alot done in life
21:33 MrCurious they get a nice lathe collection
21:33 MrCurious if they dont smoke the first one
21:33 GuShH the hell
21:33 GuShH MrCurious: I'd like to buy the stand, nobody imported them... so that's not an option.
21:33 GuShH Plus 250 bucks for that... seems expensive
21:34 MrCurious the clearer thinker would ask themselves "why does my country hate me so much"
21:34 MrCurious then move to the free world
21:34 MrCurious like egypt
21:35 MrCurious or.... *GASP* canada
21:35 MrCurious (they just had a day you know eh)
21:35 ShH bl
21:36 GuShH oh look, cold coffee
21:45 robotustra true
21:46 robotustra that's why I don't want to do any new CNC mill
21:49 robotustra may be a lathe but never a mill
21:49 Tom_itx why?
21:50 robotustra because I did it quite precise
21:50 robotustra for all my needs
21:50 robotustra I don't want to do microns, and I don't know what for
21:51 robotustra 0.05mm is good for all my needs
21:51 robotustra may be I'll updrade it, but never do a new
21:52 robotustra I still don't beleive I did it :)
21:55 GuShH robotustra: I'm having a hard time finding an excuse for anything better than 0.05mm repeatable
21:59 robotustra I can do 0.02mm actually, and repeatedly, but it take 2-3 time more to mill
21:59 robotustra ans parts are quite small
21:59 robotustra up to 5 cm
22:03 MrCurious suppose now i need to source belts for these steppers
22:03 GuShH Hmm the draft design is too wide
22:03 GuShH tray should have some overhang
22:06 GuShH robotustra: so let's see the mill?
22:07 robotustra my mill?
22:07 GuShH sure
22:08 robotustra it's how version one was done http://maholet.livejournal.com/20471.html
22:09 GuShH shit it's in russian, should I speak to you in Italian or Spanish to balance out the level of insult?
22:10 robotustra http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robotustra&oq=robotustra&gs_l=youtube.3...392.2748.0.3030.10.10.0.0.0.0.136.888.6j4.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Y1LUeLG7AcM
22:10 robotustra pictures are not in russian
22:10 GuShH they are too!
22:10 robotustra :)
22:10 robotustra just look
22:10 GuShH pretty darn nice though
22:11 robotustra yep
22:11 GuShH no, you don't get to say "yep" you be modest god dammit.
22:11 robotustra I have to do more videos
22:11 ShH shakes
22:11 robotustra thank you
22:11 robotustra now it's even better
22:12 GuShH why do I get hair transplant videos suggested next to yours
22:12 GuShH I'm not even logged in to youtube
22:13 GuShH "revolutionary transplant", "cnc crash", "first g0704 cnc milling"
22:14 GuShH robotustra: some of the bolts are stainless?
22:14 GuShH but not all?
22:17 MrCurious matching belts for 4 of 6 motors
22:17 GuShH what are you making?
22:17 MrCurious i bought some steppers that were cheap
22:17 MrCurious making... hmmm should have really picked something before ordering
22:17 MrCurious but i didnt
22:17 GuShH lol
22:17 MrCurious they were cheap
22:17 MrCurious can you ever really have too many steppers
22:18 GuShH sooo roboustra has a kid
22:18 MrCurious whatever i make... it will be PRECISION!
22:18 GuShH I don't know if I could handle it
22:18 GuShH I'm patient but I have a short fuse
22:19 MrCurious what is it bill cosby says "i brought into this world, i can take you out of it, and replace you with another one looks just like you"
22:19 GuShH lol
22:21 summersault #reprap
22:21 ShH shouldn't have
22:22 Jak_o_Shadows GuShH: Your blog is borked
22:23 GuShH how so?
22:23 Jak_o_Shadows Fatal error: ob_start() [<a href='ref.outcontrol'>ref.outcontrol</a>]: Cannot use output buffering in output buffering display handlers in /home/el000516/public_html/blog/wp-content/plugins/w3-total-cache/inc/functions/activation.php on line 362
22:23 GuShH on which page
22:24 Jak_o_Shadows http://gushh.net/blog/
22:24 GuShH looks like they messed up on this new plugin version...
22:24 GuShH htaccess related
22:24 MrCurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg&list=RD02FR3ChDXCv0I
22:32 MrCurious pure basic?
22:33 GuShH works just like python does, what's the deal? some people use ruby, java.
22:33 GuShH Jak_o_Shadows: should be fixed now, thanks!
22:34 Jak_o_Shadows np
22:34 GuShH silly wordpress... it's still a piece of crap after all these years
22:34 MrCurious whoa! austria attacked bolivia?
22:34 GuShH huh?
22:34 GuShH when, why
22:34 MrCurious last night
22:34 MrCurious austria kidnapped the bolivian president
22:34 GuShH I'm all in for it, they should also attack paraguay and ... some other shit places.
22:34 GuShH AWESOME
22:34 GuShH but why?
22:35 MrCurious Snowden
22:35 MrCurious that guy must know something intense
22:35 MrCurious like who the antichrist is, and how he is pulling the strings
22:35 MrCurious or the names of people who have had their brains secretly replaced by pods
22:36 GuShH lol
22:36 MrCurious they frisked him!
22:36 MrCurious its like a world leader got put through the TSA line
22:36 GuShH wouldn't you like to be frisked too
22:36 GuShH admit it.
22:36 MrCurious y. u feeling frisky
22:37 MrCurious you saw your pm right
22:37 GuShH yeah
22:37 GuShH I don't think it'll work
22:38 ShH snic
22:38 GuShH I mean...
22:38 MrCurious i have the feeling that snowden is gonna disappear and never be heard from again
22:41 MrCurious gush you have one of these?
22:41 MrCurious http://www.ebay.com/itm/360666036642?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
22:42 MrCurious i dont see how it works
22:42 GuShH nope
22:42 GuShH just a heating element
22:42 MrCurious would think that would be a total short, and suck an ass load of power
22:43 GuShH driven by a constant current source perhaps
22:43 GuShH so it would be limited.
22:43 GuShH it's probably over one ohm though, if they've got a long trace in there.
22:43 GuShH yeah it says between 1 to 2 ohms
22:44 GuShH Not sure FR4 is ideal for this in the long term
22:44 MrCurious think i will let this one go
22:54 GuShH MrCurious: building a reprap?
22:56 MrCurious it is in progress
23:00 MrCurious a very slow progress
23:02 GuShH heh
23:18 zhanx epic fail welder won't weld my wire size
23:18 GuShH what size and welder
23:19 GuShH don't tell me it's a 110vac unit and you want to do 3MM or thicker heh
23:19 zhanx 110v
23:19 zhanx and yes
23:19 GuShH "I'ma go industrial on it's ass!"
23:19 GuShH well, time to move to the big boy's 220.
23:19 zhanx its what i have
23:19 GuShH or three phase
23:19 zhanx no 3 phase here
23:19 GuShH (some are switchable)
23:19 GuShH mine is 2 phase, switchable to single phase 220
23:19 GuShH heh
23:19 zhanx must be nice
23:19 GuShH nah
23:20 GuShH zhanx: so go back to your smaller wire size
23:20 GuShH and run multiple passes
23:20 GuShH that's the only way
23:20 zhanx think the breaker is fubar, tried it
23:20 Jak_o_Shadows I recommend fire.
23:20 GuShH plus small units have a low duty cycle on thick electrode / wire
23:20 zhanx gonna change it tomorrow
23:20 GuShH oh?
23:20 zhanx trips non stop
23:20 GuShH you didn't tell the wire size or settings but over 20A wouldn't be surprising at 110
23:21 zhanx 3/16 wire
23:21 GuShH I don't know what amperage mine is set to, I forgot
23:21 zhanx harbor freight special etc
23:21 zhanx need to make a spot welder
23:21 GuShH so that's almost 5mm... too thick
23:22 zhanx fire sucks for it
23:22 zhanx need to switch to copper or something
23:22 GuShH in fact, that's way too thick, are you sure that's the diameter?
23:22 GuShH and what are you trying to weld?
23:23 zhanx frame for the robot
23:23 GuShH just flux wire?
23:23 GuShH or tig, mig...
23:23 GuShH won't mention stick since you said "wire"
23:23 zhanx wire feed
23:24 zhanx i wish i had a stick
23:24 zhanx i would be done
23:24 zhanx but
23:24 GuShH yes but you can have wire fed flux wire or full on mig.
23:24 zhanx my balance routine with weights is better now
23:24 zhanx no flux
23:25 GuShH flux wire is a mix between stick and mig
23:25 GuShH zhanx: stick welders are much cheaper than migs...
23:25 zhanx e-5 in the army building robots, nothing is cheap
23:26 zhanx 1 kid with one on the way
23:26 GuShH I do stick, no mig nor tig... couldn't afford the costs of the shielding gas, etc. specially since I'd want a proper setup, not a toy one
23:26 zhanx at work i got it all
23:26 zhanx sucks at the house
23:26 GuShH well, get smaller wire and run stacked beads
23:27 zhanx spot welder
23:27 zhanx i can charge caps
23:27 ShH fr
23:27 Jak_o_Shadows Put some thread onto it, just bolt it together
23:27 Jak_o_Shadows 3/16" is thick enough for thread
23:27 GuShH you can tack with your thick wire, but you need to set your mig just right.
23:27 GuShH problem is your line voltage is dropping, you end up overloading the circuit, the breaker opens.
23:28 zhanx need to rethink my approach on it
23:28 zhanx body mold is now done and i have 11 days to work on it
23:28 GuShH I stick to 2mm electrodes most of the time (stick! see what I did?)
23:28 GuShH I don't think I even draw 10A on the 220 in average
23:29 zhanx think i might melt some car batteries
23:29 GuShH Let me tell you, the smaller the electrode gets, the harder it is to stick weld.
23:29 zhanx true
23:29 zhanx i got like 400 joints to weld so i am thinking spot weld now
23:29 GuShH running 4MM or bigger electrodes is like brushing butter onto a big frying pan with your dick.
23:30 zhanx lol
23:30 zhanx thanks
23:30 GuShH also, how thick are your parts?
23:30 zhanx depends
23:31 zhanx frame is 3/16 all hand bent etc
23:31 zhanx copper frames to it etv
23:31 zhanx etc
23:31 GuShH Hmm
23:32 zhanx weight vs strength
23:32 GuShH spot welding will take a lot more time and be a lot more difficult to do if you don't have a unit (making one is not that trivial)
23:32 zhanx 3/16 was the solution
23:32 zhanx no its a pita
23:32 GuShH capacitor discharge requires a lot of tweaking
23:32 zhanx GuShH, just a pita is all
23:32 GuShH your car battery idea would work... for stick on a pinch heh
23:32 GuShH 3-4 batteries you don't care about...
23:33 zhanx heh, did it down range in a pinch also. so i can do it etc.
23:33 GuShH But you've got a lot of joints
23:33 zhanx tons
23:33 zhanx need them
23:33 zhanx its a full 5' biped
23:33 GuShH Just go with a smaller wire and take your time
23:33 zhanx can
23:34 GuShH if you run it hot you'll get good penetration on your welds anyway
23:34 zhanx can't source it here
23:34 GuShH bah
23:34 GuShH can't use your mig as a stick either?
23:34 zhanx i know right
23:34 zhanx nope . well need to change that breaker
23:35 GuShH chances are it's not a bad breaker though you are just overloading that particular circuit
23:35 zhanx 10A load bank killed it and its a 30 amp
23:35 GuShH hrmm but on a dead short the welder draws a lot more amps
23:35 GuShH however if you suspect it's bad, replace it...
23:35 GuShH breakers are cheap
23:35 zhanx my load bank is an ass hole for amp draw now
23:35 GuShH or even better, swap it for another one with the same rating
23:36 zhanx that is what i am doing
23:36 GuShH see if that solves it, otherwise roll it back and don't bother buying one
23:36 zhanx but i have to buy one to return on
23:36 zhanx e
23:36 zhanx stupid but works
23:36 GuShH I mean if you have two equal breakers in the panel, swap them and try again
23:37 ShH needs to rewire his pa
23:37 zhanx post housings don't have that, wish i did
23:37 GuShH oh?
23:37 zhanx hell
23:37 zhanx its 66 hertz here
23:37 GuShH the hell
23:37 zhanx 129 volts
23:38 zhanx pain in my ass
23:38 GuShH reminds me of that POW radio story
23:38 zhanx about the same
23:38 GuShH lol
23:38 GuShH but less asians?
23:38 zhanx i fried my cnc and a computer before i got out the clamp amp and the meter and was like WTF
23:39 GuShH odd. most SMPS will handle a wide input range
23:40 zhanx trust me the power here is fubar
23:40 zhanx in new york my cnc was fine, here i let out the magic smoke fast
23:48 MrCurious GuShH: getting all industrial revolution on its ass?
23:49 GuShH MrCurious: of course
23:49 GuShH it's a variation of "going medieval on his ass"
23:50 anx gets his s