#robotics Logs
Jun 19 2013
#robotics Calendar
00:19 RifRaf making all sorts of stuff
00:27 rue_more cool
00:45 RifRaf sure is, very cool designing stuff, warming up printer and seeing it come out immediatly
01:10 MrCurious hacking my tablet to run cyanogenmod
01:10 MrCurious it is not giving up its secrets easy
02:18 Jak_o_Android might look more into using i2c to make slave servo controllers
02:55 Jak_o_Android i can do 8 servos off the 1 uC without i2c, so i just gotta look into that
02:59 theBear GuShH, aren't they dead by now ?
03:08 GuShH theBear: what? no...
03:08 GuShH they made a new album
03:08 GuShH it's a number, forgot which one <grin>
03:09 GuShH saw an interview on the telly
03:09 GuShH they do look dead, but they are alive.
03:09 ShH hums Paranoid for a mo
03:14 theBear orright, 20 mins of searching and i got almost a cigarette worth of tobacco ! out comes the pipe (for efficiency
03:14 theBear suddenly i regret getting up a lot less
03:14 theBear everything it seemed, was ok
03:15 GuShH http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/black+sabbath/paranoid_20019415.html
03:16 GuShH you could've wrote that!
03:17 GuShH "The band's first single from 13, "God Is Dead?", was released on 19 April 2013.[138] On 20 April 2013, Black Sabbath commenced their first Australia/New Zealand tour in 40 years, to be followed by a major U.S. tour in July and August 2013."
03:17 GuShH pfft no mention of my country, but on the interview they said they were going to be playing live here...
03:17 GuShH hrm!
03:17 theBear meh, maybe years ago, but i would'na called it paranoid.... not now.. i see the things that make true happiness, i see them all too clearly... might not have them, but that's different
03:17 theBear damn ! i really gotta look at the media occasionally, how could i miss that ?
03:18 theBear or maybe i repressed it 'cos i had no money
03:18 theBear then again, i know people
03:18 GuShH hmmm one would think you'd manage to get in anyway
03:18 theBear i am creative
03:18 theBear and i do know the things that make true happiness
03:18 theBear surely that's enough ?
03:19 GuShH what's that, booze and...?
03:19 RifRaf no toothaches
03:19 theBear don't be silly, that only makes me happy, therefore it can't be true
03:19 RifRaf yay
03:19 GuShH I've cut on booze and now I can afford a lathe... isn't that something?
03:19 theBear true happiness is the opposite of what makes ultimate sadness
03:19 GuShH I don't know what makes ultimate sadness
03:20 theBear i dunno, i suppose i can't say it's not something, cos you know, well, it doesn't really exist
03:20 GuShH lack of booze?
03:20 theBear heh, apparently not
03:20 GuShH how can something not exist
03:20 GuShH it must be somewhere, always
03:20 theBear and you can't know ultimate sadness until you experience it, at which point you can appreciate true happiness
03:20 GuShH matter just doesn't cease to exist surely?
03:20 theBear but cutting booze and affording a lathe, where is that ?
03:20 GuShH YOU ARE MESSING WITH MY BRAIN AGAIN
03:21 ShH fr
03:21 GuShH where?, it's called a sacrifice! for a higher purpose!
03:21 theBear movie last night said only those who have had their freedom taken away have even an inkling of what freedom is
03:22 GuShH what movie
03:22 theBear no no, that's killing a chicken and dancing in a dark room
03:22 GuShH bah I want to watch the latest movies (comedies)
03:22 theBear that's a sacrifice for higher purpose
03:22 GuShH like the interns (internship?) I don't recall the actual titles..
03:22 theBear it's called err, cloud atlas, and i obtained it legally
03:22 GuShH but there are no nearby cinemas
03:22 GuShH so I must wait until it's ripped
03:22 GuShH theBear: who cares how you obtained it
03:23 theBear i just like quoting simpsons !
03:23 GuShH is it illegal to watch a movie being played on someone else's car?
03:23 GuShH you didn't pay for it
03:23 GuShH so it must be illegal for THEM to showcase it
03:23 GuShH but why would it be illegal for you
03:23 theBear i dunno, would you steal a policemans hat ?
03:23 GuShH totally
03:23 GuShH just to prove how useless dipshits they are
03:24 theBear hehe
03:24 GuShH I've lost respect for cops a while ago
03:24 theBear i used to know a guy with a bose surround system setup in his big 4wd, and an unusually big screen in the front, way before that kinda thing was common... it entertained me
03:24 GuShH Hmm how come every video I watch the guy gets his alu, steel, titanium stock from the "scrap yard" and it's pristine new stock
03:25 GuShH shit you'd pay big bucks for, surely it didn't come from a scrap yard.
03:25 GuShH theBear: pfft I'd like a big truck but the gas milage would suck
03:25 theBear same reason the bad guys can spray a room with high-rate machine gun fire and miss the dude everytime, but the dude just has a 6 or 9 shooter and kills every one of them, causing them to AT LEAST do a backflip with every shot
03:25 GuShH also harder to park!
03:26 GuShH and higher insurance fees here
03:26 GuShH why do you have to bring chuck norris into this?
03:26 theBear i've liked the idea of driving a big rig cab as a car since i was little, who knows... i think somehow my life will be a failure if i don't get that or a stingray one day
03:26 theBear i err, aah, you're ruining my head !
03:27 GuShH the one from back to the future is neat
03:27 GuShH saw a similar truck up for sale once
03:27 GuShH big wheels, high up, from the 80s
03:27 theBear which back to the future ?
03:27 GuShH the black truck!
03:27 GuShH I don't remember which one...
03:28 theBear dammit ! i just woke up, i can't scan all 3 right now, gimme a hint, a scene, a driver
03:28 GuShH http://onscreencars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/marty_mcfly_truck.jpg
03:28 GuShH toyota
03:28 theBear oh foreign fuckface !
03:28 theBear a ute !
03:28 GuShH the "statler"
03:28 GuShH "Custom 4x4"
03:28 theBear and your link don't work
03:28 GuShH I still find it sexy
03:28 GuShH it does!
03:28 theBear but i knew it anyway
03:28 theBear from the link name
03:28 GuShH http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070221015035/bttf/images/b/b4/Texaco_1985.jpg
03:28 theBear now it works
03:29 GuShH actually I still find it VERY sexy
03:29 theBear that really don't look like a toyota tho
03:29 GuShH I don't like the new stuff with all the plastic crap bolted to the sides
03:29 GuShH it looks like a toyota to me!
03:29 theBear not to mention the plastic beds... hsv ute for example is rated at something stupid like 400kg for the entire back
03:30 GuShH useless
03:30 GuShH It's just a customized hilux from the 80s
03:30 theBear totally, a joke !
03:30 GuShH the one from bttf
03:30 theBear hmmmm, it just doesn't look the right shape, looks a lot more like a 80s ford
03:30 GuShH 1985 Toyota Hi-Lux pickup SR-5 4x4 X-tra cab
03:31 GuShH so, long cab
03:31 GuShH those were even more expensive!
03:31 theBear erg more coffees
03:31 GuShH 2.4L, that's not too bad (ie. not too big)
03:32 GuShH I'd get one as a turbo diesel though.
03:32 GuShH did they even exist?
03:36 theBear erm, i dunno, later models definately did, and watchacallem, the 4wd (5seat/no tray) versions around that age did
03:36 theBear if i ever bump into the guy i know i gonna ask about the one 4 sale up the road... out of rego/no plates, but looks like nothing too wrong with it...
03:36 theBear err pajero ?
03:37 theBear hmmm, i can almost walk again today, ass still sore tho
03:37 GuShH mitsubishi
03:37 GuShH http://bimg1.mlstatic.com/seat-ibiza-2004-19-tdi-130hp-caja-6ta-negro-dueno-particula_MLA-F-3456736427_112012.jpg << dude still trying to sell this car
03:37 GuShH been following it for over a year
03:38 GuShH I told him to lower it or he wouldn't be able to sell it... maybe I know a thing or two about seats eh!
03:38 GuShH Seats, that is. the brand.
03:38 theBear hmm, looks like a fiat or something
03:38 GuShH damn you
03:38 GuShH it's got a 6th gearbox!
03:38 theBear what ?
03:38 GuShH no fiat has that
03:38 theBear 5 gearboxes wasn't enough ?
03:38 GuShH it's a Seat, maybe not very well known in AUS
03:38 theBear there only 4 wheels !
03:39 GuShH but deep inside it's a VW
03:39 theBear oh, nah, but i used one in my rally game !
03:39 theBear i remember !@
03:39 GuShH it's their "Golf"
03:39 theBear so is it seet or se-at
03:39 GuShH (not the same chassis though)
03:39 GuShH it's an acronym
03:39 GuShH something silly about spain and workers, don't know what.
03:39 theBear i don't care ! how you say it ?
03:39 GuShH I thought it meant seat, like a seat.
03:39 GuShH se-at
03:40 GuShH 130HP
03:40 GuShH 1.9 TDI
03:40 theBear awesome ! i guessed right
03:40 GuShH it's a tiny rocket for what it is.
03:40 theBear yeah, it was ok, reasonable weight v power, 4wd, it got me around mcrae's rally :)
03:40 GuShH lol
03:41 GuShH at the time I gave him an offer which he refused. jokes on him now
03:41 GuShH these cars are not easy to sell
03:41 theBear obviously, the look like fiats :)
03:42 GuShH damn you!!!
03:42 GuShH fiats look like boiled eggs
03:42 GuShH and they cost a lot more, the new ones
03:42 theBear erm, don't make me say it
03:42 GuShH this is a 2004
03:42 GuShH you think I'd be looking at new cars??
03:42 GuShH I can't afford it anyway.
03:42 theBear mmmm, you don't LOOK stupid, so err, no
03:42 GuShH o.o
03:43 GuShH there was a similar one, in red... with a blown head gasket
03:43 GuShH half the price
03:43 GuShH so tempting, but you know that means it overheated and so it's not the only issue it's got...
03:43 GuShH also kids these days mod / chip the ECUs and end up blowing the gaskets
03:44 theBear mmmmmaybe, i spose on something so young
03:44 theBear lol, modchip car
03:44 GuShH from 130HP stock to 190HP without changing a thing.
03:44 GuShH turn your diesel into a gasoline sucking gasket blowing piece of crap.
03:45 GuShH (that is, whatever benefits you had from running a diesel would be pretty much gone)
03:45 GuShH if you step on these they're not that efficient...
03:45 GuShH which is to say, going fast means you've either got money to waste or diarrhea.
03:46 theBear i've got neither of those things !
03:46 GuShH one of which is considered good
03:47 GuShH I like the newer one even more, although the interior is rather cheesy... oh and costs twice as much.
03:47 GuShH http://auto.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-460037123-seat-ibiza-fr-tdi-19-130-hp-6v-2008-muy-bueno-acepto-usado-_JM
03:48 GuShH although you'd be right to assume it's a fiat, as much as it hurts me to say that... it looks like a fiat from behind
03:48 GuShH I can't stand fiat. to me Fiat is an insult.
03:48 theBear is that how you spell mooey ?
03:48 theBear oh it is
03:49 theBear that one looks stupid, like a modern merc
03:49 GuShH all cars from 2008 and up try to look like that
03:49 GuShH at least it's not a vw fox
03:49 theBear doesn't mean you should like them
03:49
03:50 theBear lol, looks like a fiat from behind
03:50 theBear so many levels
03:50 GuShH I actually like the older one better
03:50 theBear wtf is it with europe using decimal places instead of commas recently ?
03:50 GuShH boop the backlight on this lcd just reset itself
03:50 theBear 79.000.23 is a stupid way to write a price !
03:50 GuShH I don't know but this ain't no Europe.
03:50 GuShH even more stupid is to have 2 exchange rates
03:50 theBear good point
03:50 GuShH one legal, one illegal
03:51 GuShH I don't even know what my money is worth anymore, all I know is I need a lot of it to buy a candy
03:51 theBear makes more sense than the official one in, one out, one trade, etc most countries use now
03:51 theBear well that's why i don't eat candy !
03:52 GuShH so 80k in official rate would be like 14.5k usd... but unofficially it's more like 5.3k
03:53 GuShH so if you somehow managed to have usd currency, the right amount, and managed to get it exchanged illegally... you'd be living very happily
03:54 GuShH however when it goes the other way around, it means if you save 10 bucks in a few months they'll be worth under 3 bucks
03:54 theBear hmm, i know what i'd be doing
03:54 GuShH actually under 1 buck by unoficial trade
03:54 GuShH theBear: oh?
03:54 theBear isn't it obvious ?
03:54 GuShH I should live in a boat like geckosenator, also where is that guy?
03:54 theBear in a boat, muthafuckaa !
03:54 GuShH I've met a guy like that.
03:54 GuShH a currency whore.
03:55 GuShH he would hide the money in his socks and underwear.
03:55 theBear meh, it's no worse than guys that live off the stockmarket
03:55 GuShH wear big clothes on purpose
03:55 theBear rofl
03:55 GuShH I know because I once "used" him and saw him hide it.
03:55 GuShH it was fun...
03:55 GuShH also they would typically carry big amounts of money on regular grocery bags
03:56 GuShH or some other bag from a store for example
03:56 GuShH with random crap on top. they're like actors
03:56 theBear meh, he failed twice, you don't use a fancy bag or suitcase, but you don't use a grocery bag either, and you don't let ANYONE see you stash the money, storage or transport wise
03:56 GuShH you do if you trust 'em
03:57 theBear no, you don't !
03:57 GuShH well he did
03:57 theBear i've moved cash around, lots of it, you don't
03:57 GuShH also you can trust me I'm not a bastard !
03:57 GuShH I've moved some, who cares?
03:57 GuShH of course you don't let anyone know or see it
03:58 GuShH but the way it went, I bought some currency from him... he took the money and stashed it in his friggin sock.
03:59 GuShH grown ass man hiding money in his socks!
04:02 GuShH theBear: why won't you offer any coffee
04:03 theBear cos everytime i try my computer gets all sticky !
04:04 GuShH you are doing it wrong!
04:08 theBear well, obviously
04:10 theBear erg, check the letter box i spose
04:10 theBear hmm, the wine bottles say i haven't been to the bin in over a fortnight... hmmm
04:20 GuShH lol what is it with american houses ... 1HP load and their lights dim
04:20 GuShH upon startup
04:21 GuShH if anything I've experienced a higher voltage on the lights here when I load down the other phase heh
04:22 GuShH I gotta rewire my panel though there's an unused phase that I want to setup for tools only
05:57 theBear hmmm... missed call from regional assessment service err, paraphrased govt/health dept care and services dept earlier... wonder what that could be... i'd assume it was to do with granny, but all the relevant authorities know i aint been caring for her for a year or so
06:21 RifRaf new wheels, hubs, bearing holders etc, http://imagebin.org/261864
06:21 theBear you see my question after you went to bed last night ? do the spirals not render on the printer, or your software ?
06:22 theBear ooh nice wheels, and that symbol is still cool so long as you don't cut it into the side of your pc case <grin>
06:22 RifRaf heh
06:22 RifRaf software
06:22 theBear is that a stepper squashed, oh, that's the back end of the 2 motors
06:22 RifRaf well it renders, with a warning, and no hubs
06:23 theBear interesting... what software/how it work or what it does ?
06:23 RifRaf yes, dual skateboard bearing in each so the wheel can spin freely
06:23 RifRaf and belt drive from hp encoder motors, never been able to mount these things to use em before
06:23 RifRaf using openscad
06:24 theBear while we at it,since electronics channel is full up with stupid postal service talk, you know how to make a electric-spark lighter mech most reliably aimed for a lighter (little gas nozzle, shield with air feeds above/around) to light ?
06:24 theBear or you got a non-blue-flame electric triggered lighter you could just look at to findout ?
06:25 RifRaf no fancy lighters here sorry, and dunno how to make one
06:25 theBear interesting.. 3d models from script... you were loading dxf into it and asking for render visually then would have exported gcode if it worked ?
06:26 Jak_o_Android cool rif
06:26 theBear oh i got one, just that over the years lighting has got unreliable, and i wanna workout best position for the wire/spark so that if the piezo still got enough juice to actually light a flame, it'll do it again
06:26 Jak_o_Android theBear, you could always get an electric fly-swatter, they spark nice
06:27 theBear yeah, but squeezing that into the body of an existing lighter not so easy, it's not the end of the world, just that i figure hitting the edge of the nozzle with a visible spark like it does now just isn't working
06:28 theBear i kinda wonder how the 'circuit' works too... a lot of replacement ones have a 2nd conductor/output for 'gnding' the nozzle/body/whatever, but this one is just a single wire out, and afaict sits inside a pretty insulated plastic section except for the single protruding wire... but that's more interest/theory than actually fixing it
13:55 theBear orright then.... http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news/NEEn3nStBRdYIG_1_2.jpg vs http://testing.rememberit.com.au/pics/building/IMAGE_00198.jpg ... opinions, comments ? personally, i'm shocked, like two sides of a mirror
14:00 DagoRed wtf theBear
14:01 theBear well, i suppose that's a comment at least, congrats on being the first
14:02 theBear incase yer wondering, one of them is me
14:02 DagoRed Well... knowing you're a bicyclist I'm ruling out the first.
14:03 DagoRed As far as the mirror comment... wtf.
14:03 theBear lol, retired, and err, no offence, but one is kinda famous, i thought you'd know which
14:03 DagoRed No ones cares for Martin Lawrence.
14:05 theBear heh, i always thought it was him too, but no, this dude is called forest whitaker, and has a much more dodgy eye
14:06 theBear and mirror was exageration, but you gotta admit the eyes is similar
14:07 DagoRed I saw Martin Lawrence and questioned mental capacity to be honest. The eyes only further confirm my suspicion of down syndrome.
14:07 theBear i'm tellin yer, that aint martin lawrence !
14:08 theBear and neither is the black guy <grin>
14:09 theBear orright, since you seem bored or otherwise not too busy, howbout one more... pre-qualification question, you familiar with 'aqua', as in, i'm a barbie girl song (no, you don't have to listen to anything including that song for the next part of the question, tho if you say no it may be your punishment/education to listen to it :)
14:09 DagoRed Yes I am... unfortunately
14:10 DagoRed If it's plastic, it's fantastic.
14:11 theBear hehe, well, i can't hold personal taste against you, you probably quite fond of something i don't like too, BUT, relevant picture being new, not old or new2, http://testing.rememberit.com.au/pics/bearhead/ how do you feel about my new haircut ? it's basically the same as the last year or 2 of them, but i further studied him instead of mr t this time, and went for a little more curve and a behind-ear g
14:11 theBear ap
14:12 theBear for reference, i call them ear-moustaches, and find they do many things including "stop ears from getting lonely" "keep ears warm in winter" AND stop things like pens and cigarettes from falling out (that otherwise do when you shave your hair near your ears
14:12 theBear also if you want to be both frowned at AND looked down upon like a simpleton, i find they're a big help
14:12 DagoRed With Skrillex being so popular, it works.
14:13 theBear hmm, i've heard of him, even know his crazy the-kids-seem-to-like-it-this-year music, but now i gonna have to find a picture of his head
14:14 theBear and assuming yer right, which i have no reason to doubt, i just hope i was doing it first, cos like tight(ish) black jeans and chequered flannel shirts, i couldn't bear it if crazy kids started doing it before me, cos looking 'hip' is the last thing i need
14:14 theBear oh damn, i have seen his head before, that's not a very nice thing to say :(
14:15 theBear and he got no ear moustaches, so technically i had his haircut first BOTH from about '91 thru '98 AND this entire century ! tho '99 and late '98, well there were some technical problems, mistakes were made, lets leave it at that
14:16 theBear then again, if young girls like him, well, i suppose looking similar couldn't hurt... i still like to think i look more like martin lawrence or forest whitaker tho :)
14:17 theBear heh, orright, thankyou for indulging the nonsense questions that were on my mind thisevening
14:17 theBear hmm, random web-image-search makes me think he's got a "stunt double" kinda dude... cos there's a bunch of pics, mainly with DARK glasses involved, where he doesn't look like a slightly female babyfaced kid, but actually like a man :)
14:18 theBear but that's a whole seperate kettle of fish
14:18 DagoRed lol
14:18 DagoRed Gah.... windows CE is a bitch
14:19 theBear hmm, windows ce seems to be random topic of the day... we talking the old ce i know, or an apparent more current version, apparently even with x86 version ?
14:19 eBear is quite familiar with turn of the century/'01/02 ce, and winmobile '02 and '0
14:19 DagoRed Windows CE 6.0 with an x86 build target.
14:19 theBear on arm hw
14:20 DagoRed Yeah, our previous stuff was ARMv4.
14:20 DagoRed WinCE loves ARMv4
14:21 DagoRed I'm at work, trying to get this friggen system done.
14:22 theBear dare i ask, does the new/current versioning scheme have any relationship to winmobile current/newish versions and/or background tech, or is the similarness just coincidence ? and it strikes me, if there's any 'dos compat execution' kinda stuff, that likely wince/x86 is roughly what i think windows SHOULD be, and might even tempt me to install/run a windows on at least one machine, and without displea
14:22 theBear sure or malice :)
14:22 theBear is it all nda/money style stuff, or can a regular dude like theBear download and mess with it ?
14:23 DagoRed It's NDA and $1k USD for a license to build WinCE.
14:23 DagoRed They have demo versions for free however. So... get a VM and play around in that.
14:23 theBear lol, dare i ask, out of academic interest, has it been leake... oh demo eh ?
14:24 DagoRed Honestly, I just want to run linux on these systems but the guy who signs the checks says no.
14:24 DagoRed You need visual studio 2005 and platform builder 6.0 to do what I am... there is a more recent version I strongly advice to use.
14:25 theBear i suppose it's dreaming to think you could run even basic dos applications and multitask with it ? 'cos unless ms expect embedded machines for THEIR os to be that much more ridiculously specced than other embedded stuff (akin to their desktop os's <grin>) i'd think wince really has about the functionality, interface and resource usage windows SHOULD have :)
14:25 theBear hmmm interesting
14:27 DagoRed The nice thing about WinCE vs. Linux or even regular windows.... it's a real time kernel.
14:27 theBear i don't REALLY wanna move back to any ms os, apart from being burned so many ways in the past, i just don't like their business approach both generally, and the way it applies to the software and the age/grade of hw needed to run it, but i still haven't picked/found a linux tracker (what i use for live performance, assuming i ever do that again) i'm comfortable/familiar with, but my muscle-memory and a
14:27 theBear ssociated subconscious parts still know my old dos one backwards, just that it's kinda a bummer not having (or easily having) things like network file access from it (in dos)
14:27 DagoRed Probably the only real time kernel with corporate backing.
14:27 theBear hmmm, a real realtime kernel, like hard realtime ?
14:27 DagoRed yeah
14:28 DagoRed It's not the time share systems you're used to running. So on small hardware it'
14:28 DagoRed *it's nice
14:28 theBear interesting... and i'm outta touch, but i suspect that vxworks has a hard realtime kernel/associated and they're corporate, jsut you know, re: if there are others
14:28 DagoRed granted, 1.66 GHz Intel Atom.... we don't need a real time kernel.
14:28 theBear yeah, i can imagine for things that need it, it is
14:28 DagoRed vxworks is shit for tiny embedded applications. But yeah... vxworks is realtime/deterministic.
14:29 theBear heh, my 1.66ghz atom keeps up with this here p4-ht just fine, dual screen if i plug one in, full desktop, compiles all its own system, kickass !
14:29 DagoRed nice!
14:29 DagoRed I'm running a lot of arm devices at home right now.
14:29 DagoRed Right now I got 2 ras pi's, a sabre lite, a cubie board, some pogo plugs, and a go flex home.
14:29 DagoRed All running arch.
14:30 theBear yeah, vx has certainly grown over the last 10 years or so, there was a time it did a good job of fitting in say, routers with too little ram OR rom to run ANY modificated version of whatsit name wrt54-linux-os, and did a good job inside that, then few years later it wanted a half a ghz and a bunch of ram to do 'ok', and well, you say no tiny now, and i aint kept up
14:32 theBear i don't think (looks around) nah, no arm stuff turned on right now, but i got a handful of various shape and size things i've played with extensively over the years... i do gentoo, but that's mostly cos i know it inside out and am comfortable with all the build and embeddedey methods/features and one of my ridiculous hobbies includes spending WAAAAY more time than could possibly be justified to make ov
14:32 theBear erly ancient or tiny or silly hw satisfactorily run a modern/usefull os, at which point i often completely lose interest in it, 'cos you know, it's too ancient or silly or useless to justify :)
14:32 DagoRed Understood, technology moves fast.
14:33 DagoRed I would recommend looking at arch.
14:33 DagoRed It's pretty impressive.
14:34 theBear in some ways, my last-century dated coppermine 1ghz with max 512mb ram runs amazingly well and serves stupid amounts of stuff 24/7, and is 100% up2date and current and modern conveniences etc, and for a few years there my ancient (but free, i 'never' buy hw) 8mb ram 200mb hd 486/66mhz laptop did an AMAZING job of running a reasonably modern and very usable when away from home version of uclibc based ge
14:34 theBear ntoo, graphic browsers, my normal gui irc client, full x env, email progs, etc etc
14:35 theBear mmm, i know little bits of arch, but these days i'm so all over the place, and while i got time, i'm bad at 'aiming' it sensibly... but what i do know all sounds/looks good, just to even give a new/different distro a chance takes time to learn its ways and get comfortable with the way it does things/you should do things to it
14:36 theBear specially being the kind of old hw user and tweak (not silly, just efficient) addict i am
14:37 theBear i mean, my "new" pc, by my foot here, i think it's ready, but need to hack in a ps2 port or get a usb adapter for my trackyball, is a '07 core2, and it's WAY better than this p4-ht, probably my next newest/most powerful, which like i said my $215-ish couple y.old eee probably keeps up with in most if not all regards :)
14:38 theBear after that i think not just the server, but both my athlon-xp board/procs are last-century too :)
14:39 joga "model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1000MHz" :)
14:41 goRed
14:43 DagoRed C2D's are nice
14:43 DagoRed Basic, but work well
14:43 theBear oooh, M is fancy, mine is regular <grin> but it's only about 33w flatout, and it runs capture and motion detection/recording/realtime(when needed) output for all my (currently 3) security cams fulltime, so it wouldn't be sleeping/saving much anyway... also mysql, php, apache, postfix (public domain(sometimes several)), courier, authoritive bind/dns currently just for my domain, local dns and web proxy/
14:43 theBear caching, and a few minor things.... that's pretty damned good for 512mb ram and 1ghz ! and i often run without swap, both because i'm slightly worried about the ancient hds (6gb mirror for most of it, and 10gb 'quietdrive' for stuff that runs more than once or twice a day) :)
14:44 theBear c2d?
14:44 theBear oh, core
14:45 theBear yeah, similar clockspeed, but beats the absolute crap outta this late/last? series p4, plus it's my first non netbook 64bit, and my first pci-e graphics, which seems important for hires video playback, without conclusive testing i'm pretty sure agp8x just can't keep up with full res and/or decoding modern movies
14:45 DagoRed Heh... theBear. My newest systems run on less than 10 watts of power :)
14:46 DagoRed And handles all the high def stuff.
14:46 theBear holy crap ! what is that ?
14:47 DagoRed cubie board.
14:47 DagoRed Brand new with all the extra tricks was $65 USD
14:47 theBear sidenote: among my non-conclusive tests is running soft downscale and soft decode (stuff that the p4-ht CAN handle, not matroska or fancy hard to decode formats) i get pretty much perfect framerate/motion on hidef stuff, but go past about 800x600 and it starts getting noticably jumpy and lower in framerates
14:47 theBear cubie eh ? what arch that ?
14:47 DagoRed ARM
14:47 DagoRed ARMv7 with Mali400 graphics.
14:47 theBear hmmm, very nice... hw decode i assume, how much clock and mem its gots ?
14:48 DagoRed 1 gig, 1GHz
14:48 DagoRed HW decoder.
14:48 DagoRed even has sata on it, 96 gpio
14:51 theBear oooh very nice
14:51 theBear yeah, i could see that being a comfortable desktop machine for a guy like me
14:53 theBear heck, my no-moving-parts fun/project machine, aka (beercan-)chimney-computer used to be 433mhz celery and that was 'fine' for bedroom use, movies, myth, irc, casual browsing, and it's recently been upgraded to a p3 with slight slot1 adapter mod to run on a p2 board, and runs around 66mhz/666mhz or something like that now, so well, 1ghz arm with 1gig ram should be at least on par with that :)
14:53 DagoRed Look at the odroid x2 or u2
14:53 theBear boards of that age, around intel zx/bx chipsets never did more than half a gig, and i never had much big pc133 anyway
14:53 DagoRed It's essentially the arm based chrome book.... without the laptop.
14:54 theBear i'll look, but well, lets say i don't got much spending money these days
14:54 DagoRed Understood.
14:54 DagoRed Did you quit working?
14:55 theBear had to, doctors orders.. and as of recently i'm a card carrying crippled pensioner for the indefinate future.. osteo has been helping more than anything/one else recently tho, there's still hope, in the meantime i drift along and try not to drink/cigarette all my money away
14:55 theBear ooh, odroid does look nice
14:57 theBear tho you know, my hobbies of spending excessive time on silly projects like hand soldering and repairing/reusing ridiculously small components with a fullsize iron and pref. 1.6mm solder and spending similar silly amounts of time/effort on making 'obsolete' hw work are good both financially/practically and for filling in the time recently, and i got a lot more time to do things like repair friends phone
14:57 theBear s/laptops in ways that aren't economical or practical in the 'real world' of repairs, which makes me feel useful
14:58 theBear replaced a tiny tiny tiny cap (had a hint where to start probing from the web tho, not all me) in a s2 last week for example, salvaged replacement from a dead "electronic transformer" like 12v downlights use these days... that kinda thing always makes me smile, and always gets favours owed and a couple beers or something worthwhile
14:58 theBear most mobile repair places wouldn't even consider it, and if they did the min cost IF they found it in a reasonable time would likely be the same as a 2ndhand replacement in good condition, but for me it's quite worthwhile, or at least a good learning experience
14:59 theBear and things like phones/laptops/lcds these days, every one you even open and put back together is good practice/learning, (more than?) half the challenge with most of that stuff is getting the stupid plastic cases and tiny connectors apart without destroying them :)
15:00 theBear these days i can replace a watchacallit, not phone, not pad, not play, errrrr, ahh, iPOD battery half drunk without even a guitar pick, but had i not opened a few hundred plastic-clip cases in the past, i'd have no chance :)
15:01 eBear had to refer to the long-dead-battery aka mini-usb-hd ipod on his desk which fortunately said what it was in the titleba
15:02 theBear seeing i so good at it, i should probably get a battery for this/my one before it's too late to get one, good for long trips like planes and trains, saves batteries on the phone
15:05 theBear also i'm 99% sure i've finally cracked the secret to cheaply/easily retrofitting a multi-die/large surface area style led array into a 3lcd style ex-hid projector over the last couple days, which would make me awesome AND not look silly like all the dudes in instructable/webland that do it with equal/higher specced output than the original lamp modules and end up saying 'yeah, it kinda works, but it's
15:05 theBear nothing on the original bulb' when that just doesn't make sense ! and while simple, the secret sure as heck aint getting the standard/stock square 45deg plastic/mirrored reflector and mounting some generic condensor lens on the front of it ! tricky part is working out how to aim a big square of incoming light with a VERY wide angle so it doesn't all shoot off outside the lightpath by the time it reac
15:05 theBear hes the lcds and gets re-crisscrossed and sent out the output lenses
15:06 theBear and like all good silly ghetto, yet awesome 'cos they use REAL math/science to work better than 'all the rest' projects, it involves a cut up beercan :)
15:07 theBear heh, for the 2nd time in a row, thanks for indulging me :) i'm done ranting now
15:07 theBear last bit reminded me i got soem math/simulation to do on the other screen
15:08 DagoRed :)
15:09 theBear but yeah, that's about what i do these days, if anyone was wondering :)
15:11 theBear also (last one, honest) often think about suggestions that have been made about me not just complaining about some ass called dave making electronics-related videos for webland and making the rest of us techs (private and professional) in the country look/sound like yahoos and cowboys, but actually making sensible videos in a sensible voice with my own wide experience and apparently not too bad underst
15:11 theBear anding of the electronics and associated world :)
15:13 theBear just fixing/maintaining stuff i own myself could probably fill 50 reasonable length video/'shows' :)
15:15 DagoRed Do it, people make good money posting that shit on youtube.
15:15 DagoRed You might as well get some extra income.
15:15 theBear i heard that, and while i don't approve of ads and stuff, extra money does sound nice
15:15 DagoRed I've seen you in #avr. Just rip on the arduino and get people to convert.
15:16 theBear and i suppose ads are 'nicer' than paypal-'begging'
15:16 DagoRed Agreed.
15:16 DagoRed Mix in a little recycling (using junk stuff) and do video how-to's on it and you will have a following.
15:16 DagoRed Hell, I'd subscribe.
15:17 DagoRed Mix in a little stupid shit from time to time, you're golden.
15:17 theBear lol, that's easy, i got ONE real 'devboard' tiny dt-104 'simmstick' (simm formfactor) pcb with my very first avr on it, but since then it's little scraps of veroboard etc, just proving how silly it is to think you need a big expensive board like arduino, letalone a silly oo dev env and libs that abstract stuff that is already/pointless to abstract(ed)
15:17 theBear heh, i'm full of stupid shit, you know me :) and with the power of editing, it could ALL be funny stupid shit :)
15:17 DagoRed Exactly!
15:17 DagoRed What better way to handle your free time?
15:18 DagoRed Best part, if people comment about you having all that time. Just throw it in their faces that you're legally a crippled.
15:19 DagoRed What's the worst that comes out of it? You get a job out of the entire deal?
15:19 theBear heh, technically that isn't great, cos i still can't actually do any job i can comprehend/think of... problem is i can't know before any given morning/day if i can actually walk or think straight
15:20 theBear but still, i spose it'd be nice to be asked <grin>
15:20 theBear it's nice to feel wanted
15:21 DagoRed Do it, I'd watch it
15:22 theBear mmmk, that's one more big move up the list of likely/general things2do
15:22 theBear thanks for the vote of confidence <grin>
15:23 DagoRed If you mix in drinking with electronics.... comically editing the drunken parts out may increase viewership.
15:25 theBear in the meantime, (i can only assume you have NOTHIGN to do today <grin>) feel free to watch me work without really thinking about being watched, albeit some years ago when i was fit, '10 i think, date should be in there... errr http://testing.rememberit.com.au/pics/workvid/ either of those, both similar products but different jobs... so long as noone else gets in on the action should be around 800megb
15:25 theBear itwhatsit, err, lets call it 70-80kb/s download bw available
15:25 DagoRed Actually I'm at work and starting to pack up to go home.
15:25 theBear heh, i don't get 'comical drunk' or really very affected at all after all these years, it's more of the normal/status quo, but i do suspect always having a trademark beer or similar tricks might work
15:25 DagoRed I'm waiting for my latest CE build to be done.... hopefully soon
15:26 eBear crosses his fin
15:26 DagoRed I'm sure it would.
15:26 DagoRed In college in the dorms, I never soldered sober.
15:26 DagoRed It scared the shit out of people.
15:26 theBear nevertheless, i find watching myself working at something i was real good at enthralling, some people seem to like it, feel free to peek at them, timelapsed, complex repairs, and on robotic-discolights, so kinda cool
15:27 DagoRed Will do.
15:27 DagoRed At a later date.... this moment it won't happen.
15:27 theBear heh yeah, a lot of people can't comprehend how people like me (us it seems :) can do such complex/technical/manually intensive things while otherwise 'at least socially drunk' :)
15:27 DagoRed Agreed!
15:27 theBear yeah, i'm easy, i not really worried, but if there's a chance you'll enjoy them, that'll make us both happy :)
15:28 DagoRed Oh... actually I have something you could do a video blog about. I'm going to be open sourcing my arduino class next month. I would like to make an AVR alternative.
15:28 theBear what the hell, i'm watching one now :)
15:28 theBear you have an arduino class ? you heathen, and err, i avoided oo since i first foundout what it was last century, what err, does a class do ?
15:29 theBear like a function(-lib?)
15:29 DagoRed It's stupidly simple. Mostly teaches programming to an audience no smarter than middle school teachers.
15:29 theBear oh, class as in school-class ?
15:30 DagoRed I need to do a part 3 to start introducing functions, objects, and creating one's own library. Like I said... I want an AVR analog.
15:30 DagoRed the class is for the teachers to turn around and do a workshop for students at this science center near by.
15:30 DagoRed http://www.davincisciencecenter.org/
15:31 theBear err ummm err, i'm missing something.... avr analog, arduino-is-avr-on-fancy-pcb-plus-bootloader-and-silly-libs errrrrmmmm huh ?
15:31 DagoRed The idea is, use Arduino board but program using AVR studio.
15:31 DagoRed Or *nix equivalent
15:32 DagoRed I'm out of here, take care theBear
15:32 theBear mmmk, oooh website looks cool, like 'scitech' in this city... mmm, you not looked at /familiarised with arduino yet ? i think it 'easier' than you think
15:32 theBear cool cool, have a good day/night
18:11 DagoRed and back
18:28 GuShH damn it another power failure
18:29 GuShH how am I supposed to use the angle grinder now!
18:47 DagoRed GuShH: fairy dust
19:31 GuShH DagoRed: fairy dust??
19:31 GuShH pixie dust seems hard to come by
19:32 GuShH also this is the second time in a month
19:32 GuShH this time 3-4 micro cuts were followed by a blackout which is quite a bad thing
19:32 GuShH I think a transformer went bad
19:32 ShH sighs ... he can't work without p
19:33 DagoRed How are you still online?
19:33 DagoRed cellphone to vps?
19:33 GuShH laptop and ups on network gear
19:33 DagoRed ahh
19:33 GuShH I can probably get 8 hours on the UPS with the shitty batteries I've got right now, not so much on the lappy heh
19:33 DagoRed understood
19:34 DagoRed did a storm knock out the power?
19:34 GuShH no storm
19:34 GuShH just very cold weather
19:34 GuShH I assume overload
19:34 GuShH (everyone using electric stoves and whatnot)
19:34 DagoRed Oh... here I thought you were in the US.
19:34 goRed fo
19:34 GuShH Argentina
19:34 DagoRed Yeah I remember now.
19:35 GuShH well in Summer it can also happen as the AC consumes a lot of power on each house
19:35 GuShH some have several units
19:35 DagoRed Understood.
19:35 GuShH problem is lack of maintainance on the grid ... and they sell what they don't have heh
19:35 GuShH DagoRed: what are you working on today?
19:35 DagoRed Right now, an arduino class for idiots.
19:35 ShH idly begins to fr
19:35 DagoRed And when I say idiots, school teachers.
19:35 GuShH Hmm an arduino class..
19:36 GuShH Isn't there enough material out there?
19:36 GuShH Books and such
19:36 GuShH I would've thought you didn't need any for the Arduino
19:36 DagoRed Yeah, the teachers will repeat the course for workshops for middle school children and high school kids.
19:36 GuShH but they made things so badly you actually do.
19:36 GuShH I'd rather they didn't teach "arduino"
19:36 DagoRed No.... I'm dealing with people that stupid.
19:36 GuShH or use it as an introductory form
19:36 DagoRed Me too... but this is to get people interested.
19:37 GuShH I guess
19:37 GuShH And to take their money too
19:37 GuShH :p
19:37 DagoRed It's making money for the hacker space and helping with community outreach. I don't like it but damn it's handy.
19:37 ShH sh
19:37 DagoRed FYI, we bought arduino's for $9.45 each.
19:37 GuShH That's not bad at all
19:37 DagoRed We're selling complete kits for $28.
19:37 GuShH Some student discount?
19:38 GuShH or just bulk
19:38 DagoRed Nope, smart shopping and working with China.
19:38 GuShH :p
19:38 GuShH I just bought a metal lathe... it's from china of course
19:38 DagoRed We're using arduino nano's.... which is awesome because I can use the AVR environment with them.
19:38 GuShH Can't quite contact the seller right now and it's too late, might have to deal with it tomorrow
19:38 GuShH unless it's another one of those national holidays...
19:39 GuShH DagoRed: Are they still whining about the arduinos that are SMT?
19:39 DagoRed The group I'm dealing with? Not really.
19:39 GuShH heh
19:39 DagoRed We just wanted something cheap that drops in the bread board. The fact that the ftdi chip is on board as well further reduces cost.
19:40 DagoRed The entire class runs off the power of the USB power.
19:40 GuShH ow
19:41 DagoRed Yeah...
19:41 ShH pictures a smoking hub down the co
19:41 GuShH have you seen that "protected" arduino?
19:41 GuShH I still can't believe it exists
19:42 DagoRed Class gets 4 LED's, 1k and 10k resistors. Buttons. Thermistor. Photoresistor.
19:42 DagoRed protected arduino?
19:42 DagoRed wtf is that?
19:42 GuShH prepare yourself for a wtf moment...
19:42 GuShH http://ruggedcircuits.com/html/ruggeduino.html
19:42 goRed prepa
19:43 GuShH oh power back on
19:43 GuShH although just a single phase is active right now (the way it's all setup I have 1 phase for lights 1 for outlets and the third one is currently unused)
19:44 GuShH planning on setting it up for shop use only
19:44 GuShH (welder, lathe, etc)
19:44 GuShH (since it was flickering and going on / off I only left one phase active to prevent damage)
19:45 DagoRed Uhm...
19:45 GuShH ruggeduinooooh
19:45 DagoRed Well... it works for certain applications
19:45 GuShH for those "special" retards.
19:45 GuShH I've been calling them arduinians but I'm going to coin the term arduingos from now on.
19:46 DagoRed High power applications.... I'd like it.
19:46 DagoRed lol
19:46 DagoRed nice
19:46 GuShH it defeats the purpose of a dev board
19:46 DagoRed I disagree.
19:46 GuShH and the io protection isn't anything worth talking about
19:46 DagoRed true
19:46 GuShH that's not actually rugged.
19:47 DagoRed true, and at the cost of some cheaper alternatives.... hwy?
19:47 DagoRed *why?
19:47 GuShH you disagree but the truth is the dev board should interfere with NOTHING you are doing
19:47 DagoRed You do have a point.
19:47 GuShH specially if it's going to be used by people who won't usually pull the schematic to see what's going on
19:48 GuShH some applications like an LC input or some ADC uses may be very difficult to do properly if there are other components in the way
19:49 GuShH I've had issues with a series / parallel configuration on a pin that was used for an auxiliary LED on the devboard (the msp430 launchpad) at the time I didn't realize it but it was throwing the input off
19:49 GuShH and I couldn't get the comparator to work properly
19:49 GuShH of course pulling the jumper did it, but I lost time because I kept assuming I had nothing in the circuit except for what I've added
19:50 GuShH but maybe it's useful for an electrician type of guy doing automation, although if the outputs are unbuffered and unfiltered (no snubbing) I still can't see why it would be useful, I'd rather buy 4 arduinos at your going rate and burn 3 if I have to.
19:50 GuShH oh and no optos?
19:50 DagoRed yeah....
19:50 DagoRed I just noted that.
19:50 GuShH I'd expect them for 40 bucks
19:51 GuShH "proudly located in Michigan. USA" heh
19:51 GuShH that's what I like about the US
19:51 GuShH If you have pride in what you do, that's a good sign.
19:51 DagoRed Yup!
19:51 ShH likes american t
19:51 GuShH even my allen wrenches say USA
19:52 GuShH I've broken every other one except for that set
19:52 DagoRed nice
19:52 GuShH the generic ones just strip round, others bend and others just snap heh
19:53 GuShH I'd rather spend more on tools (investment) if I can, than buy cheap and regret it later on
19:55 GuShH bah brb, work..
23:05 MrCurious if this existed in the physical world, i would assert gods walked among us... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmFgIxvVzc
23:47 RifRaf MrCurious yep is pretty cool machine