#robotics Logs
Feb 18 2013
#robotics Calendar
00:00 GuShH_Lap might order the latest wd mypoop 3TB
00:00 efex I have a couple WD 3TB reds
00:00 efex nice, quiet, cool
00:00 robotnut i miss the next printers
00:00 GuShH_Lap reds?
00:00 robotnut they used to talk
00:00 robotnut lol
00:00 robotnut "you are out of paper"
00:00 efex yea reds
00:00 GuShH_Lap I need externals that's why I said mypoop (mybook) are "reds" external?
00:01 GuShH_Lap or just another lame series of theirs
00:01 GuShH_Lap like black
00:01 GuShH_Lap green...
00:01 GuShH_Lap where's pink?
00:01 robotnut get a big sd card
00:01 efex just another drive type
00:01 GuShH_Lap 3TB sd?
00:01 robotnut lmao
00:01 robotnut no
00:01 robotnut why so much space?
00:01 GuShH_Lap why not
00:01 robotnut lol
00:01 GuShH_Lap problem is, getting another one to backup the other one.
00:02 robotnut if you have 3tb get a nas
00:02 robotnut raid it
00:02 GuShH_Lap won't run a dedicated machine just for storage
00:02 robotnut hot swap
00:02 GuShH_Lap but I could nas-it-up with a print server
00:02 robotnut netgear readynas lasted me a long time
00:02 GuShH_Lap hooked up to the router
00:02 robotnut ran linux
00:02 GuShH_Lap not as flexible but... low power, cheap, small.
00:02 robotnut just plug in - hook to router
00:03 GuShH_Lap robotnut: yes but using a custom NAS with say an AMD micro would be a waste of money
00:03 GuShH_Lap when it came to pay the bills :p
00:03 robotnut gushh, wouldnt that depend on what you store? lol
00:03 GuShH_Lap what do you mean
00:03 robotnut well
00:03 GuShH_Lap I'm just saying a dedicated amd box would waste a lot of power
00:04 robotnut buying crap storage - to store important stuff - is just asking for a raping
00:04 GuShH_Lap vs a tiny usb thingy hooked up to the router
00:04 robotnut i used to use those passport things and started storing important data
00:04 robotnut then i lost one
00:04 GuShH_Lap robotnut: all storage sold to the public is crap
00:04 robotnut then another
00:04 GuShH_Lap don't go there...
00:04 robotnut then
00:04 GuShH_Lap and you can't get military grade discs
00:04 robotnut i spent some cash
00:04 GuShH_Lap so why argue
00:04 robotnut got a nas
00:04 robotnut and problem solved
00:04 robotnut its raided
00:05 GuShH_Lap that's why I said I could get two and get 'em on a soft raid
00:05 robotnut i lose a drive - no biggie - its hot swap - take it out - put in a new drive for 100 bucks - and it automagically populates again
00:05 robotnut re-raided and done
00:05 GuShH_Lap 100 bucks for what size?
00:05 GuShH_Lap did I mention everything costs 2-3-4 times here? heh
00:05 robotnut you could get 1.5 tb for that at minimum
00:05 robotnut where are you?
00:05 efex I use external mirror raids generally
00:05 GuShH_Lap Argentina
00:05 robotnut oic
00:05 robotnut lol
00:05 robotnut yeah
00:06 robotnut yer fucked
00:06 rue_house I got a big case, I use internal ones
00:06 robotnut get ssd :D
00:06 robotnut i want to upgrade all my servers to SSD
00:06 GuShH_Lap a 3tb mybook (standard usb 3.0) costs 289 USD
00:06 robotnut discs keep failing
00:06 GuShH_Lap at the official rate...
00:06 efex my 3TB reds were $150 each
00:07 GuShH_Lap rue_house: but electricy is surely cheaper where you live.
00:07 rue_house SSD is less stable than mechanical, its just faster
00:07 GuShH_Lap I can't type today..
00:07 robotnut hrmmm
00:07 robotnut the early ssd was
00:07 GuShH_Lap Got stung by some massively huge black looking bees that weren't bees yesterday
00:07 robotnut not anymore
00:08 robotnut been running SSD on this laptop for 2 years
00:08 robotnut not one failure
00:08 robotnut although - all my usb ports are broken and the cd is busted
00:08 robotnut lol
00:08 GuShH_Lap rue_house: they remap just like regular spinning drives
00:09 GuShH_Lap robotnut: to recap, the 3tb would go for tv shows and such crap
00:09 GuShH_Lap I don't have cable, I download instead.
00:10 robotnut gussh, gotcha - just be careful with your photos or things that are important to you
00:10 GuShH_Lap Hmmm
00:10 GuShH_Lap I usually burn those to dvd and keep a local copy
00:10 GuShH_Lap and sources. well, thumbdrives + local
00:10 GuShH_Lap I used to run an svn server on the desktop until the hdd dies
00:10 GuShH_Lap died*
00:10 robotnut thumbdrives ugh - never had a good experience with those
00:10 GuShH_Lap I recovered most of it though
00:11 GuShH_Lap mine are micro-sd with tiny readers
00:11 GuShH_Lap only got one real thumbdrive....
00:11 GuShH_Lap actually two, one died. so yeah..
00:11 robotnut however - i switched from usb thumb drives to sd cards and WOW what a difference.. not one problem yet
00:11 GuShH_Lap So far I've had one sd die on me
00:11 GuShH_Lap the fs got corrupted somehow
00:11 robotnut really?
00:11 robotnut strange
00:11 GuShH_Lap recovered bits and pieces only
00:11 robotnut my latop came with a 256gb ssd
00:11 GuShH_Lap it was a long time ago, 1GB
00:11 rue_house hmm raid SD cards
00:12 robotnut then i bought a 128gb sd card my storage is great on this thing
00:12 GuShH_Lap rue_house: by the size of 'em, a dual reader could do that on hardware
00:12 rue_house /dev/root 61535944 15249612 43160488 27% /
00:12 robotnut thats not a bad idea
00:12 GuShH_Lap they don't exist already?
00:12 GuShH_Lap did we just have a good profitable idea?
00:12 robotnut not sure havent looked
00:12 robotnut si
00:12 GuShH_Lap brb getting the gun you musn't live
00:12 rue_house thats, what, 615M?
00:12 robotnut lmao
00:12 rue_house where is my decimal place
00:12 rue_house /dev/root 59G 15G 42G 27% /
00:12 rue_house oh 60G
00:13 GuShH_Lap ok I shot toward your general direction, please open your window and stick your head out for a few minutes.
00:13 robotnut heck - i run my vms off my sd card and never had an issue
00:13 robotnut except for win7 and macos vms
00:13 GuShH_Lap lol
00:13 robotnut lol
00:13 GuShH_Lap macos is an issue on it's own
00:13 robotnut you hit my dog
00:13 robotnut damn you
00:14 GuShH_Lap sell it to some peruvian guy, he'd love to bbq that shit.
00:14 robotnut ugh brb need to reboot - damn vms crashing all over now
00:14 GuShH_Lap that's what happens when you say you never have trouble with your stuff... it all goes belly up.
00:16 efex I admit to being amused with this server having an os installed in 2001 that is still fine today, despite two major upgrades (no re-install) and being migrated through at least ten differnt junky old macs as hosts.
00:19 efex speaking of macos
00:19 GuShH_Lap I think we'll never see robotnut again....
00:19 GuShH_Lap the laptop probably caught on fire by now
00:19 GuShH_Lap wait, I know... he actually ran toward the nearest patent office!!
00:25 robotnut blah blasted vmware made me do a host reboot too
00:25 GuShH_Lap lol
00:25 GuShH_Lap I thought you ran to the patent office...
00:25 robotnut lol
00:25 robotnut oh
00:25 robotnut no
00:26 robotnut i already submitted the patent and it just got approved
00:26 robotnut beat you to it
00:26 ShH_Lap goes Fuuuuuuuuuuu
00:26 GuShH_Lap wait, international patent?
00:26 GuShH_Lap that was like 200k last time I checked :p
00:26 robotnut lol
00:26 robotnut i know a guy
00:26 robotnut lol
00:26 robotnut done and done
00:26 robotnut international patent
00:26 robotnut thats an oxymoron
00:26 GuShH_Lap and I'm fucking hitler.
00:26 robotnut doubt china would pay attention to it
00:27 GuShH_Lap china would laugh at you
00:27 GuShH_Lap while they were copying it
00:27 GuShH_Lap IN FRONT OF YOU
00:27 robotnut yeah
00:27 robotnut "round eye - you funny - thanks for idea - i make for you now"
00:27 GuShH_Lap typically one of their guys does social engineering while another one inputs the cad details.
00:28 robotnut lol
00:28 GuShH_Lap also just for fun they also hack your hotmail account.
00:28 robotnut yeah
00:28 GuShH_Lap what your dog name huh? dog name nao
00:28 robotnut lol
00:28 GuShH_Lap and they throw rice at you.
00:28 robotnut no
00:28 GuShH_Lap bad people.
00:28 robotnut champ
00:28 robotnut hes a doberman
00:28 robotnut he hates china
00:29 GuShH_Lap we hire u long time, social security number plx
00:29 robotnut lol
00:29 GuShH_Lap y u lol? me no lol
00:29 robotnut sorry
00:29 robotnut ror
00:29 GuShH_Lap I swear that's how they write!
00:29 GuShH_Lap specially on helpdesks
00:29 robotnut yeah
00:29 GuShH_Lap you'd think they're all indians
00:29 ShH_Lap runs
00:29 robotnut i used to work with them a lot for robotic parts
00:30 robotnut buy and selling the parts etc etc
00:30 robotnut horny bastards
00:30 GuShH_Lap lol
00:30 robotnut i used to get discounts by sending them porno
00:30 GuShH_Lap wtf
00:30 robotnut yeah
00:30 GuShH_Lap homemade porno?
00:30 GuShH_Lap with your dog?
00:30 robotnut friend of mine is runs a lot of porn sites
00:30 robotnut no
00:30 GuShH_Lap NO
00:30 robotnut lol
00:31 robotnut no - that would be a cooking show for them
00:31 robotnut lol
00:31 robotnut fresh doberman
00:31 GuShH_Lap hes a real wanker eh
00:31 robotnut sauteed
00:31 robotnut rotesserrie
00:31 robotnut however you spell that
00:31 GuShH_Lap they would probably start by eating it's balls
00:31 robotnut probably
00:31 robotnut poor pup
00:31 robotnut thankfully i doubt they would be able to catch him
00:32 robotnut hes mean
00:32 GuShH_Lap they eat all kinds of nasty stuff :/
00:32 robotnut shoe
00:32 robotnut lol
00:32 robotnut belt soup
00:32 robotnut horse hoof
02:21 Rif well i found a new chip i need to dechiper
02:22 Rif is a little baby sot23 i think 6 pin, inside an led module
02:22 Rif thats makes it bulletproof
02:23 Rif they are built really well compared to some
02:34 Rif anyone awake?
02:37 Rif http://imagebin.org/247139
02:37 Rif 3 led module, 12V nive wire, can run 96 in a string, and cannot kill em, even with 30+ volts, they just draw same current
02:38 Rif well a bit more at 30v but like 20%, not 4000% like standard led and resistor
02:39 Rif nice difusing lens, injection molding blah blah
02:41 CoJaBo i have found by experiance that single LEDs do not like being given 12V.. heh
02:43 NightRavenXS they burn out?
02:43 Rif no it does have a resitor, about to show the rear side when i can upload :/
02:43 Rif no these DO NOT burn out
02:43 Rif they are what i call bulletprrof
02:43 CoJaBo mine wasn't bulletproof :/
02:43 Rif within 5X normal rating
02:44 Rif i fed them 40V and they still drew the same current + 20%
02:45 Rif other 12V leds drew like 15W and started to smoke at less than 24V, (1W leds)
02:45 CoJaBo mine actually popped
02:45 Rif these draw .4W at 10V and .5W at 40V
02:46 Rif and just don't die or overheat, got other upto 180C
02:46 CoJaBo (it shorted to the power supply)
02:46 Rif no resistor in the way to save it?
02:47 CoJaBo I dont think so
02:47 CoJaBo I had a capacitor explode once too
02:47 Rif oh shit, forgot to rezise images, it has been telling me for 20 minutes but just didn't read it :/
02:47 CoJaBo Hell, its still embedded in the wall
02:48 Rif i used to love exploded caps as a kid
02:48 Rif would make mini landmines and stuff
02:48 CoJaBo lol
02:49 CoJaBo This one, the power supply failed dramatically; went from outputting ~5VDC to 24VAC.everythign started to smoke then BANG
02:49 CoJaBo unrelated, but did I ever post this here? http://imgur.com/gBil4
02:51 Rif i have had lots of magic smoke at time here lately
02:51 Rif should do it outside, sure its not friendly
02:52 Rif nice meltup, is that an avr?
02:52 CoJaBo Its a USB-SATA bridge from an external drive
02:53 CoJaBo It stopped functioning after a "power surge", from what I was told.
02:53 Rif ok this is the rear of the led modules http://imagebin.org/247141
02:53 Rif and have the best shot of the ic coming up, left me macro lens at work so not much different
02:54 CoJaBo Astoundingly, the drive itself worked fine; I was able to recover whatever was needed for them, then even reuse the drive.
02:54 CoJaBo I'm not sure how, considering how terribly bad the controller board was burned up
02:55 CoJaBo The ICs were literally popcorn shaped
02:55 CoJaBo (The one in the awkward position near the top was from the other side of the board)
02:56 CoJaBo It was blown clear off and found rattling around the case (it initically made me suspect the drive had been dropped, before I opened it up)
02:56 Rif best i can do, what could it be? http://imagebin.org/247143
02:57 CoJaBo i wonder how much power had to go thru the thing to damage it that bad, heh
03:08 RifRaf yep i am always stil astonded by modern tech, i cannot believe inside this 1mm accelerometer is a system hanging by
03:08 RifRaf polysilicon surface-micromachined structure built on top of a silicon wafer. Polysilicon springs suspend the structure over the surface of the wafer and provide a resistance against forces due to applied acceleration
03:08 RifRaf and all i wanna do is make motors turn :/
03:10 RifRaf and it survives up to 16G in normal use :/
03:12 GuShH_Lap yeah let's just say you are miles away from MEMS and similar tech :p
03:12 RifRaf :(
03:13 RifRaf shoudl i just go hide under a rock till i am old or keep havin a go?
03:13 ace4016 it's ok; most people don't have the facilities to produce anything on that scale :P
03:13 RifRaf i do like fishing, that would pass a lifetime easy
03:13 ace4016 just have to let the microscopic elephants romp on that playground
03:14 ace4016 bleh...finally feeling considerably better
03:14 RifRaf ace4016 good to see
03:15 ace4016 haven't been that sick in about 10 years
03:16 RifRaf yep the germs are gettin stronger
03:18 ace4016 aye. figured it was a virus so didn't go to the doctor...not much they can do about viruses
03:18 ace4016 need to work on my immune system soi wont get sick again :P
03:18 ace4016 so I*
03:18 RifRaf Deflection of the structure is measured using differential capacitors that consist of independent fixed plates and plates attached to the moving mass. Acceleration deflects the proof mass and unbalances the differential capacitor, resulting in a sensor output whose amplitude is proportional to acceleration. Phase-sensitive demodulation is used to determine the magnitude and polarity of the
03:18 RifRaf acceleration
03:19 RifRaf htf do they make that shit, some dude is actually sitting there creating it?
03:19 RifRaf this is in something less than 1mm thick
03:19 ace4016 lots of experiminetation
03:20 RifRaf my god, i guess you would miss out on alot of other thuff if you were making that shit
03:20 RifRaf am just glad it works and i can use 1 line of code to access it :)
03:20 ace4016 lol
03:21 ace4016 the idea is actually from larger accelerometers
03:21 ace4016 that used small wires instead
03:21 RifRaf yep must be miniturised from some other desings, lets see how small we can make this
03:24 ace4016 well, they recently got down to atomic level (as in placing 2-3 atoms at a time) type stuff
03:24 ace4016 so, pretty small :P
03:24 GuShH_Lap define recently
03:24 ace4016 i've seen it recently i should say...don't know how old it is
03:24 GuShH_Lap meh I wanted to know exactly how old!
03:25 ace4016 i've seenit in the past 2 months
03:25 GuShH_Lap but not down to the picosecond.
03:25 ace4016 which means it's at least 6 months old from that point
03:25 GuShH_Lap and probably 2 years if the military had it before?
03:25 GuShH_Lap at least
03:26 GuShH_Lap wait, for the US that's like a decade in fact.
03:26 GuShH_Lap why are we always getting the bread crumbs :(
03:28 ace4016 lol
03:28 ace4016 the military is no longer the driving force behind technology :P
03:29 rue_bed its us hobbyists!
03:29 GuShH_Lap it is for many things
03:29 GuShH_Lap rue_bed: go back to your arduino!
03:29 ace4016 infact, the military is playing catch up with the commercial world
03:29 GuShH_Lap is that a fact... please don't tell me you got that from theonion
03:29 ace4016 exlcuding certain military exclusive technologies (gps)
03:30 GuShH_Lap gps is old...
03:30 GuShH_Lap hence why you can use it
03:30 GuShH_Lap alas in a limited way
03:30 ace4016 it is, but the civilian world can't use the military frequencies and such
03:30 GuShH_Lap and that proves the bread crumb theory!
03:31 ace4016 when it comes to chips though, the commercial world blows the military out of the water
03:31 GuShH_Lap depends on the application
03:31 GuShH_Lap since most military "chips" require shielding and protection that the common world doesn't need
03:32 rue_bed yea we got gaming down pat!
03:32 GuShH_Lap as do the overall designs
03:32 rue_bed GuShH_Lap, I dont use arduino
03:32 ace4016 that's about the only thing the military stuff has over the commercial chips
03:33 ace4016 except that the commercial chips are usually also 2-3 generations ahead :P
03:33 GuShH_Lap no, since realiability and other factors are in play in the medical field for example
03:33 ace4016 most governments don't upgrade their tech very often
03:33 ace4016 it's quite expensive and requires an asinine amount of testing
03:33 GuShH_Lap the "if it ain't broken" mentality works in some cases.
03:35 GuShH_Lap rue_bed: lies I know you own some
03:35 ace4016 bleh...i need more sleep
03:35 ace4016 adios
03:36 GuShH_Lap I haven't got any sleep at all :(
03:36 GuShH_Lap I really should get some pills for that
03:36 GuShH_Lap doesn't matter if I exercise or work my ass off, I just can't fall asleep sometimes
03:37 ace4016 maybe it's a dietary thing
03:37 GuShH_Lap what could it be? I don't even drink that much coffee anymore
03:38 rue_bed one because I dont want to convert all the reprap stuff my own
03:38 GuShH_Lap I'll go for a couple days with no sleep, then become a zombie for at least half a day
03:38 GuShH_Lap It's making it all too difficult.
03:39 Skwint stress?
03:40 GuShH_Lap isn't that some made-up word used to get time off work?
03:40 GuShH_Lap or maybe even sue your employer
03:40 ace4016 lol
03:40 GuShH_Lap also a marketing concept to sell people fluffy rubber balls
03:40 GuShH_Lap and a plethora of shit they don't need.
03:40 Skwint really? I thought stress was stopping half way home from work because you can't work out why you're walking
03:41 Skwint I'm sure 99% of it is made up bollocks though :)
03:41 GuShH_Lap you just blew my mind just then
03:41 GuShH_Lap rue_bed: I need one of your robots to pick up the pieces
03:42 GuShH_Lap Skwint: well it's not fear... been getting rid of anxiety so that can't be
03:43 Skwint maybe it's whatever you are doing to get rid of anxiety?
03:43 ace4016 are you getting enough healthy fats and good protien?
03:43 GuShH_Lap this method works if you have anxiety, just say "fuck it" and go for it.
03:44 GuShH_Lap ace4016: regular diet as always
03:44 ace4016 maybe you're just getting older; i hear older people don't need as much sleep
03:45 GuShH_Lap I'm just 25 ... what are you trying to tell me :(
03:45 ace4016 lol
03:45 GuShH_Lap your mind races and suddenly "that explains a lot" pops up
03:45 ShH_Lap shakes
03:45 ace4016 maybe you need to spend more time with a woman then, or more time in the bunk
03:46 GuShH_Lap why would that have anything to do with sleep?
03:46 ace4016 you'd be amazed >_>
03:46 GuShH_Lap I must be OK, at least I don't click on the first tit that pops up, like a friend does.
03:47 ace4016 alright...pain is starting to come back...time for a nap
03:47 RifRaf rue_bed what wa sthat
03:47 GuShH_Lap ace4016: what sort of pain?
03:48 GuShH_Lap I forgot to mention I have lower back pain.
03:48 RifRaf totally useless night here, what happens when friends drop over after work with beers
03:48 ace4016 headache, eat ache, body aches, etc. things associated with the flu
03:48 GuShH_Lap :(
03:48 RifRaf did not even get a SD card hooked up :/
03:49 GuShH_Lap I wonder if theBear ever had sleep problems due to back pain
03:49 GuShH_Lap If that's not it then I don't know what's wrong :(
03:49 RifRaf i am sure he does
03:49 GuShH_Lap I've tried all, I refuse to get surgery and end up a veggie
03:49 ace4016 back problems eh?
03:49 ace4016 do you have a big gut?
03:49 GuShH_Lap no
03:50 ace4016 can you do a squat?
03:50 RifRaf man up and go do some physical labour
03:50 GuShH_Lap this either happened lifting weights or it must be something else.
03:50 RifRaf i handle 50kg loads all day and am like 40+ some variable
03:50 GuShH_Lap ace4016: I used to play rugby and exercise at the gym on a daily basis
03:50 GuShH_Lap brit rugby not that american football shit
03:51 GuShH_Lap now I do have a tiny beer belly, but that's another story. it's due to not being able to get back to the weights
03:51 ace4016 there's no reason to clarify between rugby and american football :P
03:51 RifRaf heh a have a beer belly + port belly
03:51 GuShH_Lap what's a port belly? oh pot?
03:52 GuShH_Lap I never had pot
03:52 RifRaf i love pot
03:52 GuShH_Lap Wouldn't mind trying it... that thing is pseudo legal here, but anyway I don't know where to get it.
03:52 RifRaf and port
03:52 RifRaf port is like fortified wine
03:52 GuShH_Lap It might even help with the back pain
03:52 GuShH_Lap I know what port is
03:52 RifRaf but i drink it 25% port to 75% pure water
03:52 GuShH_Lap I just didn't think someone would get a belly from it
03:52 RifRaf like red cordial
03:52 ace4016 stretching + light body weight excercising usually helps with back pain; as well as getting a proper matress. if you're not sleeping enough, you might be sitting or standing too much, and if so, you might be sitting incorrectly
03:53 RifRaf nah it must be the beer GuShH_Lap
03:53 GuShH_Lap I've cut back in alcohol intake
03:53 GuShH_Lap At most it's a beer on the weekend.
03:53 GuShH_Lap Used to be several glasses of scotch every day + beer + others
03:53 ShH_Lap p
03:54 RifRaf i drink i bit (lot)
03:54 GuShH_Lap ace4016: I've tried all the posture related things I can imagine though
03:54 GuShH_Lap RifRaf: drinking helps me clear out the noise and focus, believe it or not.. but it was going to kill me, so enough of that.
03:55 ace4016 consistency is key with all of this; of course finding the root cause helps too
03:55 RifRaf GuShH_Lap do you stand on your head often?
03:55 GuShH_Lap o.O
03:56 RifRaf yep it feels a bit like that, eye pressure, but try it, can lead to enlightenment if you do it enough
03:56 GuShH_Lap the hell
03:56 ace4016 lol
03:56 RifRaf a girl i have to work with has has hickups for like 3 years
03:56 GuShH_Lap and tell me, do you stand on your head while you drink port and smoke pot?
03:56 theBear hopefully drinking will kill me soon.... no medical signs yet tho, and i really b een trying :(
03:56 theBear and yes, i'm lucky to get a few hours a week
03:56 RifRaf GuShH_Lap, the ultimate rush
03:56 GuShH_Lap RifRaf: I could cure that for her
03:57 RifRaf GuShH_Lap tell me how, i threaten her with all kinds of cures
03:57 RifRaf and its serious, is like every few minutes all day long
03:57 GuShH_Lap It's NSFW.
03:57 RifRaf lol
03:58 RifRaf well that won't work then
03:58 theBear every few minutes aint serious, people get it CONSTANTLY and kill themselves way before 3 years
03:58 theBear heh, you could do it after work :)
03:58 RifRaf well some days its like every 15 seconds
03:58 RifRaf and some days it goes awy that god
03:59 RifRaf theBear is too young for that, or me anyway, i am responsible, like der
03:59 GuShH_Lap it's all about the diaphragm!
03:59 theBear for what ? curing hiccups in a way you can't say in public ?
03:59 GuShH_Lap LOL
03:59 RifRaf theBear have you seem me last few crazy ways to waste time projects?
03:59 GuShH_Lap Well if you stuff her mouth with SOMETHING wouldn't that stop it for the time being? candy perhaps?
04:00 theBear and my back is given up like a old person, i aint too young for anything, except apparently death by drinking.... normal people woulda had no liver 10 years ago
04:00 theBear i dunno, i don't think i ever seen you waste time
04:00 GuShH_Lap For me it works to just breath deeply and hold it for a minute
04:00 GuShH_Lap After 3 years I question whether it's not all in her head by now
04:01 theBear i just gotta not smoke and i don't hiccup
04:01 RifRaf well i am gonna try pushing in eyeballs next i said
04:01 theBear but that aint as easy as it sounds
04:01 RifRaf cause doctor carl said so
04:01 theBear heh, like in beetlejuice
04:01 RifRaf i heard him say it the other day
04:01 theBear don't be surprised when they pop out her outh
04:01 theBear mouth
04:02 RifRaf but the hickups come back when you let the eys come back out of the sockets
04:02 GuShH_Lap RifRaf: does she eat or drink anything funny?
04:02 GuShH_Lap YAWN yawn yAwN
04:02 GuShH_Lap I just made you yawn!
04:02 theBear like clowns, or tiny bears riding tricycles
04:02 RifRaf she hardly eats or drinks, i think that is most of the problem
04:02 GuShH_Lap theBear wants to know if shes cute
04:03 theBear or giant bears riding tiny tricycles
04:03 theBear wtf ? how did you know that ? and no, you didn't make me yawn
04:03 GuShH_Lap do bears yawn?
04:03 theBear you know the 2nd half of the question tho ?
04:03 GuShH_Lap IN THE WOODS?
04:03 RifRaf yes theBear but thats besides the point, i have to work with a thing that goes "YEEOOP" every few minutes
04:03 theBear nah, we kinda growl, wherever we are, specially today
04:04 GuShH_Lap I would threaten to sexually harrass her every time she had one. You'll see how that fixes it.
04:04 theBear RifRaf, hehe, it'd make me smile constantly, but i'm weird with 'annoying' noises.... what i was thinking tho, is she pretty enough to sleep and hang around yeeeooop 24/7 ?
04:04 GuShH_Lap Start with a slap, work your way up until it's fixed or you're in jail.
04:04 RifRaf lol
04:04 theBear i heard worse ideas
04:04 RifRaf she goes out with one of the welders
04:04 GuShH_Lap 'cos she likes a hot rod
04:04 RifRaf lol
04:04 theBear hehehe, that makes me laugh fro some reason
04:04 theBear and that slightly less so :)
04:05 GuShH_Lap ;X
04:05 GuShH_Lap I can weld... they're not pretty joints most of the time
04:05 GuShH_Lap but they last!
04:06 RifRaf i can spot weld ali
04:06 RifRaf but i leave the rest up to anyone else
04:06 GuShH_Lap wait, aside from current and timing, once those are setup anyone can spot weld
04:06 RifRaf i can solder like a demon though]
04:06 theBear lol, a monkey can spotweld ally
04:07 theBear heh, i knew demons can play violin and guitar good, never knew about the soldering tho
04:07 GuShH_Lap they solder with their finger
04:07 RifRaf theBear yes i know, took me 30 min to learn that one :/ but tig is still a challenge
04:08 GuShH_Lap stick is a challenge
04:08 GuShH_Lap the rest is child's play
04:08 theBear yeah, tig makes things easier than nottig, but it still takes some practicing and good tips
04:08 RifRaf well yes, but we have no sticks at work
04:08 GuShH_Lap if you can weld properly using 2mm electrodes on SMAW
04:08 GuShH_Lap you the man
04:08 RifRaf all the stuff comes out of a roll of cable
04:09 RifRaf not my department, so dunno the magic
04:09 GuShH_Lap notice I'm just talking about general fabrication
04:09 RifRaf but hey can do cool stuff
04:09 GuShH_Lap when you get into aeronautical shit that's another story
04:09 RifRaf GuShH_Lap nope
04:09 RifRaf way too drunk to notice anything here
04:09 RifRaf is bedtime i think
04:10 theBear hehe, i hope to be that drunk soon
04:10 RifRaf and do a 4am setup sd card and stuff
04:10 GuShH_Lap because for industrial welding, aero, etc. you need certifications... it's not child's play :p
04:10 theBear shitty assed day, i'm sposed to be crippled, not having shitty days
04:10 theBear most welding here you need certs these days
04:10 RifRaf theBear 2lt port with water sir, works every time
04:10 theBear then again, it does seem a monkey can get a boilermakers cert, so i dunno
04:10 GuShH_Lap hmm if I place a pillow under my back when I'm in bed the pain nearly goes away, but it's all back when I get up :(
04:10 theBear i don't got that much port, but i got a bunch of beer and maybe a litre of wine
04:11 RifRaf yep we have some monkeys
04:11 RifRaf well drink through a straw then
04:11 RifRaf works as well
04:11 RifRaf more bubbles to the brain per ml or something
04:12 GuShH_Lap lol
04:12 theBear seriously ? there's science behind that crazy wifes tale ?
04:12 theBear and don't even fuckign think about referring me to a mythbusters clip
04:13 GuShH_Lap haha
04:13 RifRaf well i add water to me port to sedate it, how else could you drink it by the schooner
04:13 GuShH_Lap I don't think they've tried that
04:14 RifRaf but the bubbles in a straw has lots of merit
04:14 RifRaf i am tryed to linger longer
04:14 RifRaf which reminds me i do actually have a dinner to warm up somwhere
04:15 theBear err, you'd have to be a bear i guess
04:15 RifRaf man cannot live on straw generated bubbles for ever
04:16 theBear GuShH_Lap, i don't really give a fuck what they've butchered, only .004% of it involves actual science or science (and having an introduction, synopsis, method, tests, results does NOT make something scientific !)
04:16 theBear tho apparently you can live on spa-bubbles forever
04:16 theBear and if you real good you only need your nose <grin>
04:17 RifRaf some days i run off the smell of an oily rag
04:18 RifRaf its better if the rag has thinners or something decent in it though
04:18 theBear hehe :)
04:21 RifRaf theBear did you see my mystery chip, the ic challenge?
04:21 theBear nup, i like them
04:22 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/247140
04:22 RifRaf the indestructable led module
04:23 RifRaf front side http://imagebin.org/247139
04:23 RifRaf an dbest i can do on chip without microscope
04:24 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/247143
04:24 RifRaf will do beter tomorrow\
04:25 RifRaf is a pin sot
04:25 RifRaf and the only other difference on pcb is a diode
04:25 RifRaf so must bypass extra voltage somehoew\
04:25 RifRaf and the 6pin sot obviously
04:26 theBear that looks suspiciously like altronics led strip
04:27 RifRaf is made by GE
04:27 RifRaf they are like top shelf modules
04:27 RifRaf and i can see why now
04:28 theBear hmmmm... so umm, what's the question ? you wanna work the sot or just bypass it or ?
04:28 RifRaf yes wanna know hy they are so good, and wat the ic is doing
04:29 RifRaf so a part number would be helpful but cannot see one
04:29 RifRaf is in chinese, will put under uScope in morn
04:30 theBear chinese p/n on the chip ? that's kinda cool
04:30 RifRaf evry normal 12v led just uses a resitor theBear as you would know]
04:30 theBear err, you mean things that look like a regular led ? i'm confused
04:30 RifRaf yes but i have very bad eyesight these days, so do not know for sure yet, jusy looks chinese in my magnifiying glass
04:31 RifRaf no theBear at work we make signs, and use 12V leds
04:31 RifRaf which are just modified regualr leds with a restor
04:31 RifRaf resistor :)
04:31 theBear wtf ? why you got broken eyes ?
04:32 RifRaf but am testing different leds we use, and finding big differences
04:32 theBear lol, that sounds almost as shitty as the chinese lights i was doing warranties on the last few years before i brokew
04:32 RifRaf these ones cost alot compared to oters
04:32 RifRaf theBear i break then by allpying 3X coltage or more
04:33 RifRaf omg sorry i canot slepp tonight
04:33 theBear hehe
04:33 RifRaf speel*
04:33 RifRaf spekll
04:33 RifRaf of
04:33 theBear so is 36v really likely to come out of the psus you supply ?
04:33 RifRaf nope just doing testing to ee where they die
04:34 RifRaf but a short could happen somewhere, is nice to know you have an invincible led
04:34 theBear mmm, probly any mains rated style led driver can do that.... if you spend a few cents/bucks extra on the driver, they get pretty amazing these days
04:35 RifRaf thats what they say at work, we wil never give it 24v
04:36 RifRaf but one cheap led draw 10W at 24v instead od 1w, and another 0.5w led draws 0.5w at 30v or 12v, it just don't matter to it
04:37 RifRaf this 6pin is the the key
04:37 RifRaf ic*
04:37 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/247143
04:39 RifRaf an the led module wa sso well made that it took ages to expose that pcb
04:45 theBear the key is ANY switching led driver ic
04:46 theBear they pretty commonplace these days
04:46 theBear i got one on my bike headlight, between just flat and completely flat 9v batts it averages almost 90% efficient, way bettter some spots
04:47 theBear and by headlight i mean crappy ex-torch-reflector and led and heatshrinked hotglued ic i got
04:52 GuShH_Lap heh a couple weeks ago it got dark and I was out limbing with the chainsaw, decided to shove a flashlight near the brake.... first chainsaw headlight right there! it was awesome.
04:53 GuShH_Lap now I just need a bicycle mount so I can mount it properly on the saw.
04:53 ShH_Lap fl
04:53 theBear oh, that made sense after a few reads
04:53 theBear that's kinda cool, if yer into chainsawing at night
04:54 GuShH_Lap lol
04:54 GuShH_Lap it's actually a lot more fun.
04:55 GuShH_Lap specially when there's low pressure and all of the 2 stroke exhaust smoke just hangs low.
04:56 GuShH_Lap no clue why one of the saws got low compression now
04:56 GuShH_Lap couldn't see any marks in the cylinder
04:56 theBear maybe it's cold in there
04:57 GuShH_Lap I ran the good ol' test of grabbing it by the pull starter and let it dangle, if it unrolls then the compression is below acceptable, if it holds then it's "good enough"
04:57 GuShH_Lap it does a slow unroll of the rope, there's leakage somewhere
04:58 GuShH_Lap could be cylinder, rings, seals...
04:58 GuShH_Lap even the spark plug, but it wasn't the case.
04:59 GuShH_Lap it's giving me lots of trouble, before this it had a dirty carb and it wouldn't idle properly (until I figured it out)
04:59 theBear unroll ? that's, pretty leaky
04:59 GuShH_Lap yes... that's why I'm talking about it, it's a problem!
04:59 GuShH_Lap it should hold for minutes without doing a single cycle.
05:00 GuShH_Lap as it is, the saw runs... but it's under-powered of course
05:01 GuShH_Lap could be a gasket problem, seals, even a cracked crankcase (tiny fracture)
05:02 GuShH_Lap most commonly it's a scorred cylinder, but I removed the muffler and the intake side looked ok, removed the carb and the exhaust side looked ok...
05:02 GuShH_Lap oh also the ring is not stuck, but I'm stuck! heh
05:02 GuShH_Lap single ring, not a fan.
05:03 theBear wtf is a fan ?
05:04 GuShH_Lap I'm not a fan of single ring pistons
05:04 GuShH_Lap I'd rather have two rings there.
05:04 GuShH_Lap despite the fact that they give you more drag, I tend to believe they're overall better in terms of compression
05:05 GuShH_Lap I didn't mention a damaged ring since I highly doubt they'll get damaged before the cylinder or the piston will, since they're made out of hard steel and neither of the other parts are.
05:06 GuShH_Lap Usually if they snap or get caught, they ruin the whole top-end...
05:06 theBear seriously, wtf is a fan ?
05:07 GuShH_Lap theBear: a follower?
05:07 GuShH_Lap a fanatic...
05:07 theBear what ? fuck !
05:07 theBear oh, that does make sense
05:07 theBear i think the drinking is working
05:10 GuShH_Lap probably is :p
05:10 GuShH_Lap I don't want to take the whole saw apart again :(
05:11 GuShH_Lap usually that's the only way to find out about leaks, you have to cap the intake and exhaust ports and then use soap water to find the leak...
05:12 theBear i guess that's one approach... either way it aint fun
05:12 GuShH_Lap any other ideas?
05:12 GuShH_Lap if it's a bad base gasket I could get or make a new one
05:12 GuShH_Lap if the alu is cracked I could get some of that metallic epoxy stuff
05:13 theBear not really, they're simple engines, you understand them as much as i do.... i am fond of red gasket silicone in many cases tho
05:13 theBear or that other liquid-gasket stuff in some cases
05:13 GuShH_Lap it's not knowing what's wrong that bothers me
05:13 GuShH_Lap ever since the dirty carb filter issue I've added it to the clean up list.
05:14 GuShH_Lap with my famously back luck the cylinder is probably damaged
05:14 theBear yeah, if a carb was causing 'serious' problems it's worth a strip and rebuild, at least to the extent you feel in the mood for
05:14 GuShH_Lap bad luck
05:14 GuShH_Lap heh
05:15 GuShH_Lap I realized it was a fuel starvation problem when it would run fine at wide open throttle but it would stall at idle
05:16 theBear mmm, for reference in a small simple 2stroke that can be a fucked ring/cylinder wall too
05:16 Triffid_Hunter last time I tried to fix a carbie, turns out the timing had somehow gone out
05:16 theBear tho smoke gives some hints on that
05:16 GuShH_Lap the fuel filter inside the carb was clogged with sawdust, it makes sense -- when little flow went by, almost no fuel got through, when more flow was required, enough fuel got through due to the added pressure (since it was an additive process, and I kept correcting for it during time by adjusting the carb, I didn't realize until then)
05:16 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: shredded / damaged key on the flywheel?
05:16 GuShH_Lap carbon build-up in ports will also play with the timing
05:17 GuShH_Lap and, wrong gaskets too.
05:17 GuShH_Lap (but to a lesser extent)
05:17 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: dunno, I moved the magneto coils and it behaved after that
05:17 GuShH_Lap usually the flywheel is the culprit
05:17 Triffid_Hunter this bike has been in a prang hard enough to twist the front forks permanently though
05:18 GuShH_Lap heh
05:18 Triffid_Hunter tell you what though, that carbie is as clean as the day it was bought now though
05:18 GuShH_Lap these little saws have the timing quite advanced already, in fact they get dangerous if you don't pull with authority :p
05:20 theBear meh. only an idiot doesn't pull with authority.... modern ones might be jumpy, but old ones will flip AND tear your arm off
05:20 GuShH_Lap :p
05:20 Triffid_Hunter yeah 2 strokes like advance if they're running at a fairly steady speed.. was too much on the bike though, took me a while to work out that the stuttering at high speed was it firing before TDC
05:20 GuShH_Lap well, a bit rich isn't bad on a 2 stroke vehicle
05:21 GuShH_Lap but you compensate for that with your driving style
05:21 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: so it was "4 stroking" ?
05:21 theBear heh
05:21 GuShH_Lap driving/riding
05:21 GuShH_Lap 4 stroking is good on saws, for instance the way you adjust their carbs is so they 4 stroke on WOT outside of wood, but they clean-up (ie. 2 stroke) on a cut
05:22 GuShH_Lap otherwise they run lean on the cut and the top-end gets damaged.
05:22 GuShH_Lap makes sense since the engine needs more mix under load.
05:23 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: it would get to a certain range of revs, then the bike would suddenly stop all accel and the engine would make a distressed stuttering noise, but far too consistent for missed sparks or anything like that.. it quietened down a bit if we backed the throttle right off but just didn't want to go any faster
05:23 Triffid_Hunter is just a little bike, perfect size for a 12yo
05:24 GuShH_Lap on a bike 4 stroking is not bad for the engine, outside from fouling of the sparkplug... and your wallet, since it becomes a lot less efficient! on down-hill you'd want the engine to 4 stroke though.
05:24 Triffid_Hunter it was bad for our enjoyment of it, to have the bike try and throw you over the handlebars and sound like it was about to blow up once it hit a certain speed
05:25 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: pffft I can still ride my QR50 just fine.
05:25 GuShH_Lap not that I do... I kept it in case I get a kid one day.
05:25 theBear heh, i aint rode a 50cc bike for years, that'd be fun at bear size
05:25 GuShH_Lap theBear: it's awesome, feels like you're going at 300KM/h
05:25 GuShH_Lap and even the smallest rock could throw you off the bike
05:26 theBear hehe
05:26 Triffid_Hunter heh this one's a chinese knock-off, even with adjusted engine timing it's not much for speed, I reckon it tops out at 50k on the flats, I feel like I could almost run that fast
05:26 Triffid_Hunter not sure it's worth doing anything fancy with
05:26 GuShH_Lap no idea on the top speed for the qr50...
05:26 Triffid_Hunter kidlet I got it for is still too terrified to ride it by herself
05:26 GuShH_Lap I removed the limiters when I was 7...
05:27 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: The chinese also make tiny quads
05:27 Triffid_Hunter don't like quads, they flip too easily
05:27 GuShH_Lap they're fun little things!
05:27 GuShH_Lap wouldn't mind having a couple of those to race with, that'd be fun.
05:27 GuShH_Lap anything small + grown ass man = fun
05:28 GuShH_Lap or pathetic, depends on your view.
05:28 theBear meh tiny bikes and tiny quads flip easy... quads can be fun tho, they way better on sand than tiny bikes
05:28 theBear i say funny !
05:28 GuShH_Lap oh yeah tiny bikes on sand are useless
05:28 GuShH_Lap you need at least 125cc of raw power on dunes
05:28 Triffid_Hunter I've ridden a pushbike on sand.. that was 'interesting', thing steered like a boat
05:29 Triffid_Hunter and the power required to pedal was ludicrous, if I wasn't able to ride uphill at 60k/h at the time it never would have worked
05:29 GuShH_Lap on wet sand a toy 50cc dirt bike will do just fine, go into dry sand and... well you'll stop right there.
05:29 Triffid_Hunter yup I'd believe it, probably go A over T if you hit it at speed too
05:30 GuShH_Lap damn I miss all of that
05:31 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: is there a throttle limiter or exhaust based limiter on those chinese bikes?
05:32 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: no
05:32 theBear i went thru the edge of the city today ... i miss being able to fucking run ! and i kinda miss dancing
05:32 GuShH_Lap the honda had both, a ring on the exhaust limited the output power and a screw on the throttle limited the maximum throttle
05:32 Triffid_Hunter the throttle handle is stuffed, keeps dropping the cable. I hooked it to the right brake lever last time it did it, there's no pads in the rear brake so don't lose any functionality
05:32 GuShH_Lap the idea is for the parent to set the screw accordingly
05:33 theBear lol
05:33 Triffid_Hunter haven't checked exhaust but looks like it comes straight out the exhaust port and through the muffler, nothing in between
05:34 Triffid_Hunter heh, I tried shuffling the accel cable while the bike was running, damn thing electrocuted me
05:34 GuShH_Lap the qr is a lot more complicated than it should be... for instance the one speed "transmission" is wet
05:34 GuShH_Lap ie enclosed and with oil
05:34 Triffid_Hunter yea this one has the auto clutch and chain encased with oil
05:34 Triffid_Hunter probably for the best, it struggles up hills.. auto clutch would probably catch fire if it wasn't oil cooled
05:34 GuShH_Lap >_<
05:35 GuShH_Lap good luck for me if I ever need to replace the clutch, brake pads, etc.
05:35 GuShH_Lap I've seen gasket kits on eBay and some spares, but they were mighty expensive.
05:36 Triffid_Hunter heh the gasket on this one is just that cardboard stuff
05:36 GuShH_Lap it needs a new piston and ring actually
05:36 Triffid_Hunter fell to bits when I took the transmission housing off.. stuffed the bits back into approximate locations, cranked down on the bolts and it seems to hold its oil
05:36 GuShH_Lap couldn't even find the specs for the carb
05:36 GuShH_Lap the manufacturer doesn't make 2 stroke carbs anymore
05:36 GuShH_Lap and they don't care to answer emails
05:37 GuShH_Lap it's got an auto oiler
05:37 Triffid_Hunter the one I have doesn't have any writing anywhere, not even inside the housings, except "warning hot" on the muffler guard plate
05:37 Triffid_Hunter yea mine has an oil thing at the front
05:37 GuShH_Lap they made it sound a lot fancier than it is.... it's just a drip oil mechanism.
05:39 GuShH_Lap the oil just drips into the intake and gets flung into the crankcase, during the process it scatters around...
05:39 GuShH_Lap the clever bit is the plunger has to be linked to the throttle
05:39 GuShH_Lap so you have two cables and two "throttles", one is gas the other is oil
05:40 GuShH_Lap of course, you only see it as a single throttle, but internally it's two!
05:40 Triffid_Hunter not sure how it works on mine, haven't popped the crank case yet. definitely isn't connected to throttle though, had to replace the throttle cable because the little thingy on the end broke off
05:40 GuShH_Lap beats having to mix fuel
05:40 Triffid_Hunter and the oil line doesn't go anywhere near where the accel cable enters the carby
05:40 GuShH_Lap Triffid_Hunter: it could be linked by a pushrod so no need for a secondary cable
05:41 Triffid_Hunter I put 2-stroke mix in mine, I don't trust it to be mixing for me
05:41 Triffid_Hunter certainly not with zero writing anywhere on it at all
05:41 GuShH_Lap lol
05:41 GuShH_Lap I've taken apart the carb (still couldn't figure out what half the screws do) but at least I know the oiler works
05:41 Triffid_Hunter also I half-filled the oil thing and have put enough K's on it that I'd expect the level to have dropped if it's mixing
05:42 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: I did some research on carbs while trying to sort this one out.. only has two screws, one's idle adjust and the other is fuel/air ratio
05:42 GuShH_Lap this one eats through the oil, despite having adjusted the oiler (I think it was the oiler screw, see... I should get an x-ray machine)
05:42 Triffid_Hunter pulled the jets and everything, they were all pretty clean, just needed a quick wipe
05:42 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: if you wind the screw all the way out and then oil starts pissing out, it's the oiler screw
05:43 GuShH_Lap well, 3 screws in total, one is idle, the other is mix and the third is oil, in theory.
05:43 Triffid_Hunter that's how I found the fuel sump drain screw anyway
05:43 GuShH_Lap heh, I tried to judge by the amount of exhaust smoke
05:43 GuShH_Lap oh the drain is just a little plastic valve thingy on the bottom in this one
05:43 Triffid_Hunter mine pisses smoke somedays, seems to get in a mood sometimes.. other days I can barely even smell it
05:44 GuShH_Lap I don't mind 2 stroke exhaust, except it gets on the clothes...
05:45 Triffid_Hunter meh can hardly smell it over all the fuel that gets thrown out of the fuel cap by the vibration
05:49 GuShH_Lap lol
05:49 GuShH_Lap no wonder shes scared of it!
05:50 Triffid_Hunter heh just a few spots here and there, but smells more than the exhaus
05:50 Triffid_Hunter t
05:51 Triffid_Hunter naw she's scared because she's in the habit of pulling back on the throttle to try and slow it down
05:51 Triffid_Hunter must think it's a horse or something
05:51 Triffid_Hunter so I have to ride it with her
05:52 Triffid_Hunter I have managed to get her to taxi it a bit, has been too wet lately for further progress though
05:52 GuShH_Lap :p
05:56 GuShH_Lap how old is her?
05:59 Triffid_Hunter GuShH_Lap: 9
06:01 GuShH_Lap she'll get it soon!
06:06 Triffid_Hunter yep I know, just time and persistence
06:56 theBear pfft, exhaust smells good you big girls
07:09 GuShH_Lap theBear: when it gets on your clothes it's different!
07:09 theBear no it isn't
07:09 GuShH_Lap pffffft
07:09 theBear next you tell me bonfire smoke smells bad on clothes !
07:09 theBear pffft, fool
07:09 theBear in the meantime, everything is still shit, i'm going back to bed
07:09 ShH_Lap slaps theBear with a g
07:33 NightRavenXS is that a challenge invitation?
07:33 NightRavenXS *challenge/duel invitation?
07:35 GuShH_Lap NightRavenXS: either that or he had a spider and I killed it with the glove
08:18 NightRavenXS :D
08:51 antibuddha Hi
08:51 JohnRambo Hey.
08:51 antibuddha What kind of robot u want to make?
08:53 JohnRambo Well I want to start on simple ones wit wheels then go on to making bipeds
08:53 antibuddha Nice
08:54 JohnRambo How about you?
08:54 antibuddha I want a robot that rolls over solar panels cleaning them
08:55 JohnRambo Sweet.
08:55 antibuddha A roomba that doesnt mind 30 degree tilt
08:55 JohnRambo That sounds awesome, do you know where to start?
08:56 antibuddha I go to open source irc and beg someone to make the software for roomba
08:56 antibuddha Or hire a homeless software engineer
08:56 JohnRambo haha.
08:58 antibuddha The cost of dirty panels is quite high due to voltqge veing limited to worst performing module in an array
08:58 antibuddha A roomba that likes to clean solar panels could pay itself off in a week for large installatikns
09:01 JohnRambo That's pretty cool.
09:02 JohnRambo Ah, I really can't wait till I start.
09:03 GuShH_Lap antibuddha: a fixed installation is going to be more reliable and cheaper long-term instead of a shitty robot
09:03 GuShH_Lap in case you are able to tilt every panel almost horizontally, then you could consider a rover.
09:04 GuShH_Lap antibuddha: I find it hilarious that you are considering to buy a piece of land in such an unstable country
09:04 GuShH_Lap do yourself a favour, put that shitty inheritance toward local realestate.
09:04 antibuddha ?
09:05 JohnRambo GuShH_Lap, are you the owner of http://gushh.net/?
09:06 antibuddha I dont plan on owning a solar installation in the usa
09:06 GuShH_Lap antibuddha: learn spanish if you are so interested in places like colombia
09:06 antibuddha I want to do it in ecuador
09:06 GuShH_Lap same deal.
09:07 antibuddha Im going to show the president my outline for a slave based solar company
09:07 GuShH_Lap JohnRambo: Maybe
09:07 GuShH_Lap antibuddha: define slave
09:07 antibuddha Conscription to build solar installations
09:08 GuShH_Lap you are a fucking idiot, you know that right?
09:08 antibuddha ?
09:08 GuShH_Lap dilusional as well.
09:09 antibuddha By reducing direct labor costs to zero we can beat grid parity
09:09 JohnRambo huh?
09:10 GuShH_Lap He talks about slavery, thinks the president of Ecuador would even listen to him and what's worst, he thinks he can buy half the country due to being severely misinformed.
09:10 antibuddha I only want a villa on enough acreage to grow scottish cattle
09:11 GuShH_Lap Your profile fits a drug dealer
09:11 GuShH_Lap By the way.
09:11 antibuddha The only thing i have in common with drugdealers is my preference to pay cash up front
09:12 antibuddha Never even taken flu medicine
09:12 GuShH_Lap That's exactly what a dealer would say though.
09:12 GuShH_Lap "I've never even seen an aspirin in my life!"
09:13 GuShH_Lap This guy once stated he could buy half of Ecuador and enslave an equivalent amount of people to work for him.
09:14 GuShH_Lap antibuddha: we still know your ip and we are still informing on you
09:14 antibuddha Im at a coffee shop talking to americans about thomas jefferson
09:16 GuShH_Lap Anyone would think your favourite topic would be audioph00lery instead
09:16 antibuddha Gushh your impertinence would be better directed at an american not a nice person like me
09:17 GuShH_Lap dan danny boy
09:18 GuShH_Lap Seen any UFOs lately?
09:18 antibuddha Just chemtrails, why dont i see u in electronucs anymore we miss u
09:19 rue_house the ufo's are landing in russia, oh wait they should already be there... oh wait... oh no!
09:20 antibuddha Flyback left too
09:20 GuShH_Lap flyback was forced to, I wasn't...
09:20 rue_house he left russia? are you sure they didn't just kick him out?
09:21 GuShH_Lap rue_house: you think it was some military object that fell?
09:21 rue_house no
09:22 GuShH_Lap compare it to the shuttle accidents, not every rocky / icy material burns like that, but most materials used in the space industry do.
09:22 rue_house not familiar with methane ice from space?
09:23 GuShH_Lap the trail is what counts
09:24 rue_house :) my bf interperter still works, its half converted for AVR :)
09:24 DagoRed bf as in brain fuck?
09:24 rue_house yes :)
09:24 DagoRed Are you working on a genetic algorithm for an AVR?
09:25 rue_house no
09:26 DagoRed Ok, just curious. So... why bf on an AVR?
09:26 DagoRed Besides it being awesome and possibly a way to teach kids how to program.
09:26 DagoRed Err... assembly that is.
09:26 rue_house ;)
09:26 GuShH_Lap Hmmm damn bugs
09:26 rue_house I wrote an interperter, what else am I gonna do with it
09:28 DagoRed I remember your motion system thing you made, I really don't know what you're going to do with it.
09:29 GuShH_Lap he's probably working on the world's most complicated bomb.
09:29 rue_house the multi axis linear interpolator?
09:29 rue_house its for al the robot arms
09:29 rue_house and the hexapod
09:29 GuShH_Lap I mean, that's what we all do right?, you can't have schematics and a breadboard on your backpack ... the cops might think you are a terrorist!
09:30 rue_house off to works, later
09:30 DagoRed that's what I meant rue_house.
09:30 DagoRed later
09:30 DagoRed GuShH_Lap: Valid point, you should see the little electronics kit I had for when I flew to Chicago. Security had a field day with me.
09:31 GuShH_Lap silly ignorants
09:31 GuShH_Lap reminds me of that girl with the LED tshirt thingy
09:38 NightRavenXS what girl?
09:41 GuShH_Lap NightRavenXS: http://boingboing.net/2007/09/21/mit-student-arrested.html
09:42 GuShH_Lap she had a friggin breadboard on her sweatshirt
09:58 NightRavenXS wow
10:10 GuShH_Lap NightRavenXS: they probably did a cavity search on her!
10:17 NightRavenXS who the hell would do that?
10:28 DagoRed The cavity search? Probably someone less than visually attractive.
10:31 NightRavenXS DagoRed, no not the searc
10:31 NightRavenXS *search
10:31 NightRavenXS the idea of a fake bomb itself is crazy
10:31 goRed sh
10:32 DagoRed there was a com sci student at my school that had his backpack blown up twice. The first time was because he left it on a bus in DC or it was left near the White House and the bomb squad came in and blew it up.
10:33 DagoRed The second time was in Florida, after the first incident he some thing safety pinned to his backpack saying "This is not a bomb".... which of course scared someone and the bomb squad was called in and they blew up his backpack again.
10:33 DagoRed He lost a laptop each time he lost a backpack.... as a com sci student that stings.
10:52 Skwint you can buy T-shirts with glowing LED patterns on the front
10:52 Skwint if she was going to catch a plane that would be different, but going to pick someone up from the airport?
10:52 Skwint there's more electronics in my camera and I carry that
10:54 ace4016 bombs are fairly low tech :P
10:57 Skwint the whole thing is fairly ridiculous really.
10:58 Skwint Show me a photo of an arrivals lounge and I'd be hard pressed to pick out anything that I was absolutely 100% sure wasn't a bomb :p
11:03 GuShH_Lap DagoRed: wahahaha
13:18 RifRaf theBear cheers, worked out that chip, or wat it does anyway, constant current buck driver
13:32 Ademan-mobile So is anyone familiar with the regulations in the US for selling assembled PCBs? I'm sure if it has a radio transmitter or something there are different regulations, but in general?
13:35 ace4016 if it's battery powered or so, not much regulation
13:36 ace4016 assuming there's no radio on it
13:37 ace4016 technically the FCC does mention that the device can't interfere with another device, but you have to accept if another device interferes with your device...
13:37 RifRaf found this http://imagebin.org/247197 made it years ago but should work for an SD card?
13:37 ace4016 a weird cover all statement
13:37 Ademan-mobile right
13:38 Ademan-mobile I assume you have to submit for testing?
13:38 ace4016 iirc, not really :P
13:38 ace4016 all that UL testing and such is optional
13:39 ace4016 but if push comes to shove, they can back you in stating that the device is "safe"
13:39 ace4016 incase someone wants to sue you for burning their house down or setting off their pace maker
13:40 Ademan-mobile does UL testing provide security against that?
13:40 Ademan-mobile other than a reasonable assurance it won't happen
13:42 Ademan-mobile by that I mean does getting UL tested help you with liability?
13:43 Ademan-mobile because I figure no matter what someone can figure out how to burn their house down with your product
13:44 ace4016 if the device was operating just fine and you had instructions, then it can be pinned as negligence
13:45 ace4016 assuming a third part could vouch for you that the product is safe
13:45 Ademan-mobile also, if there IS a radio, specifically a bluetooth IC, does that require FCC certification? or can the chip somehow be certified in a way that adding that IC to a board doesn't require FCC certification?
13:45 ace4016 it's not full proof, but it brings a better deck of cards to the table
13:46 ace4016 if you're using a bluetooth module, it already underwent FCC testing and certification
13:46 Ademan-mobile ah nifty
13:46 LoRez Ademan-mobile: you're better off using a module that's precertified.
13:46 ace4016 if you created a bluetooth radio from scratch, it won't be and will have to undergo proper FCC testing
13:47 ace4016 that's the nice thing about leaving all that nasty stuff to others :P
13:47 ace4016 all the good, none of the liability!
13:48 Ademan-mobile hehe. So back to the FCC's interference stuff, you said you don't recall that being tested, so do you just assert that it complies?
13:51 ace4016 iirc, it's kind of intrinsic
13:51 ace4016 it exist, therefore it must comply :P
13:51 ace4016 and if it doesn't, there will be fines to be had
13:54 Ademan-mobile Hrm, well that's cool. What about lead? I was reading the US doesn't regulate that currently, but I don't recall how old the articles were
13:55 Ademan-mobile Is lead solder still permissible?
13:55 ace4016 in the US, yea
13:56 ace4016 afaik we've not adapted ROHS compliance
19:03 RifRaf Tom_itx did you ever finish that datalogger we was making?
19:04 RifRaf i think thats where this mmc card holder came from
19:05 RifRaf http://imagebin.org/247197
19:05 RifRaf you think that would work with an 8gb SD card?
19:14 m^rk where can you buy the 6 conductor ribbon-like wire?
19:15 Tom_itx nope
19:15 Tom_itx i think i know why i was having trouble though
19:15 Tom_itx it was the level translator
19:16 Tom_itx looks like they're using resistor dividers for it
19:21 RifRaf ok gonna try hook it up tonight
19:22 Tom_itx 8G may be a bit big
19:22 RifRaf m^rk is just coloured ribbon cable, colours are standard like resistor colours, i get it in 10 wire ribbons
19:22 Tom_itx i'd start with 2g
19:22 RifRaf yeah have some smaller to try, and the original mmc card that we used, 256mb
19:22 Tom_itx not sure how well the high capacity cards are supported
19:23 Tom_itx the mmc initializes different than a sd
19:23 m^rk cool thanks
19:37 rue_house Tom_itx, do you have example code to use the avr internal eeprom?
19:39 Tom_itx dean has an article with sample bits
19:39 Tom_itx err maybe that's progmem
19:40 Tom_itx http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=38417
19:41 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/abcminiuser/articles/avr_eeprom_index.php
19:41 Tom_itx ahh yeah there it is
19:41 Tom_itx the new firmware on my programmer uses it now
19:42 Tom_itx writes the default spi clock speed to eeprom
19:44 Tom_itx you could update your firmware if you wanted
19:55 rue_shop2 sweet
20:36 RifRaf wat i like is that the SD card uses all the same pins as the programmer
20:37 RifRaf so no more pins to add, just unplug it to flash
20:37 RifRaf and will also solve the issue where i have to unplug devices that share the isp pins when flashing
20:48 RifRaf Tom_itx the webbotlib docs do not mention a size limitation, just that they can store umpteen gb of data
20:48 RifRaf so might be good
21:37 rue_house Tom_itx, oversimplified, but ok
21:38 Tom_itx simplified for idiots
21:41 rue_house what they missed, was the avrdude command to write it to the avr
21:42 rue_house main_eeprom.hex
21:44 rue_house /usr/local/bin/avrdude -c stk500v2 -p m8 -P /dev/ttyACM0 -e -B8 -U flash:w:main.hex -U eeprom:w:main_eeprom.hex
21:44 rue_house sweeet
21:55 RifRaf hrm ,i have those eeprom.hex files in my folder to when i compile
21:56 RifRaf ok so i need to send the sdcard chucks of 512bytes for each sector
21:56 RifRaf so i should buffer it up till i get that much or how please?
21:58 rue_house you only have 2k ram total
21:59 rue_house and your library eats up a bunch
22:06 RifRaf for the sdcard?
22:07 RifRaf rue i don't think this code is any larger than it needs to be
22:07 RifRaf you add all the same devices and see what you get
22:14 theBear oooh, i kinda won the mystery chip challenge !
22:14 Tom_itx RifRaf, you write them in blocks
22:20 RifRaf theBear yes you did
22:21 RifRaf found very similar specs on some sot23-6 packages, like 1A constant, 9V to 36V input, same stuff i was dealing with
22:21 RifRaf but they still cost abit, like $1 each
22:24 theBear i told yer they cost more :)
22:25 ShH_Lap bl