#robotics Logs

Feb 10 2013

09:33 MaoIsAcat good afternoon
09:35 MaoIsAcat Can I consider this type as a line follower or has it a different name? http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9369/screenshotat20130110190.png
09:35 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: Maze solver maybe, if it solves mazes.
09:35 dunz0r That's a maze there right?
09:36 MaoIsAcat it consists in following a line and select the correct option in the intersections, with the help of marks
09:37 MaoIsAcat I don't think that's a maze
09:38 MaoIsAcat or maze line follower is the real name?
09:42 MaoIsAcat you dont need to find and calculate the way to get to the finish line. You only need to read the marks to follow the correct line
09:45 MaoIsAcat dunz0r ?
09:54 MaoIsAcat siesta time?
09:55 dunz0r I'd probably call it a line follower in that case.
09:55 dunz0r Possibly line finder?:)
09:56 MaoIsAcat maybe no
09:56 MaoIsAcat it has a special name
09:57 MaoIsAcat lines with left and right marks that determine the way
10:08 MaoIsAcat I pay the coffee
10:08 MaoIsAcat Coffee for everybody
10:08 MaoIsAcat !
10:08 MaoIsAcat xD
10:13 MaoIsAcat http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--jAt4ZUzjdc/UIl_5tESnJI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/MkrHlBNaBIU/s1600/coffee_cat.jpg
10:28 NightRavenXS no coffee no life?
10:31 GuShH_Lap I could go for starbucks right now
10:31 MaoIsAcat starbucks ?
10:31 MaoIsAcat starbucks has the worst coffee
10:31 GuShH_Lap not really
10:31 GuShH_Lap mcdonalds does
10:32 GuShH_Lap of the big chains that is.
10:32 GuShH_Lap you can't include small shops.
10:32 GuShH_Lap also don't pretend to be a coffee snob with me boy
10:33 GuShH_Lap :p
10:33 MaoIsAcat here, we hate buying coffe on big chains
10:33 GuShH_Lap hate is pointless
10:33 GuShH_Lap hate just makes you waste time and energy
10:33 GuShH_Lap hate is ignorance
10:33 MaoIsAcat why?
10:33 GuShH_Lap I'm practical, even though the nearest starbucks is 10 miles from here. If I'm around I buy there, otherwise I make it at home
10:34 GuShH_Lap small shops around are crap
10:34 GuShH_Lap they're opening a lot of icecream / coffee shops
10:34 GuShH_Lap waste of money...
10:34 MaoIsAcat where are you from GuShH_Lap ?
10:34 GuShH_Lap Argentina
10:34 GuShH_Lap we do have excellent coffee, just not everywhere.
10:35 MaoIsAcat Por aquella zona teneis el mejor caf�
10:35 GuShH_Lap 99% of the people drink the leftovers
10:35 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: No siempre!
10:35 GuShH_Lap Sos Espa�ol?
10:35 MaoIsAcat yes!
10:35 GuShH_Lap Mis padres vivieron en Espa�a por 8 a�os
10:36 MaoIsAcat It is a pleasure to find latin people around here
10:36 GuShH_Lap Hay mucho desempleo hoy en d�a o son cifras armadas?
10:37 MaoIsAcat es verdad, hay poco trabajo y mal pagado.
10:37 GuShH_Lap Aca dicen que hay menos desempleo pero es mentira, esta todo peor.
10:37 GuShH_Lap Los ricos son cada vez mas ricos, los pobres cada vez mas pobres.
10:37 MaoIsAcat igual que aqu�
10:37 ShH_Lap sounds like a communist all of a su
10:38 MaoIsAcat solo viven bien los pol�ticos
10:38 GuShH_Lap Exacto
10:38 GuShH_Lap y no hacen nada para merecer el sueldo
10:38 GuShH_Lap Deber�a meterme en politica.
10:38 GuShH_Lap Ya vengo, voy a comprar sobres de papel madera.
10:39 ShH_Lap g
10:39 MaoIsAcat people scapes to other european countries
10:39 GuShH_Lap It seems to be the norm
10:39 GuShH_Lap once every N years
10:40 GuShH_Lap I don't hear of Denmark or other countries being as unstable
10:40 MaoIsAcat exactly
10:40 GuShH_Lap why is that?
10:40 MaoIsAcat Spain had the famous economical crisis, then the bank crisis, and now, the political crisis
10:40 GuShH_Lap Real estate here costs more than in Miami to give you an idea of how bad it is
10:41 MaoIsAcat in all around europe, they only had the economical crisis
10:41 GuShH_Lap Cars... they're not cheap either.
10:41 GuShH_Lap A used car that would cost you under 1.000 usd in the US, costs you 10k usd in Argentina.
10:42 GuShH_Lap Well, Denmark is like that when it comes to cars, crazy taxes... But it's a proper country unlike ours.
10:42 GuShH_Lap And by that I mean Argentina.
10:42 GuShH_Lap I wish someone with enough balls would blow up every politician in town
10:43 MaoIsAcat I don't know why, in latin countries, we have the most intelligent politicians
10:44 GuShH_Lap Now, some people disagree with me; they would rather have them sent to a desolated island in the middle of nowhere.... that works for me.
10:44 GuShH_Lap At least you guys have the ETA, but I'm not sure on how they operate.
10:44 MaoIsAcat xDD not now. ETA leave the arms.
10:45 MaoIsAcat left
10:45 ShH_Lap doesn't think violence is a good idea, but it's often the only viable idea when it comes to politic
10:45 GuShH_Lap You can either buy one or kill one
10:45 GuShH_Lap there's no other option
10:45 GuShH_Lap They're all corrupt
10:46 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: we just triggered several terrorism alerts with this conversation
10:46 MaoIsAcat xDD
10:46 GuShH_Lap There's currently a middle aged dude on the US, in a shitty office, reading this.
10:46 MaoIsAcat maybe someone is spying our conversation
10:47 GuShH_Lap Next to another guy pretending to be 8 years old trying to lure in pedophiles
10:47 MaoIsAcat I think dunz0r will alert the authorities
10:47 Tom_itx they surely are spying
10:47 dunz0r Who me?:O
10:47 ShH_Lap gets n
10:47 GuShH_Lap Tom_itx: then they'll know I bark but I don't bite on public
10:47 MaoIsAcat yes, you looks like a p0lice
10:48 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: I'm not. I would talk more about illegal stuff if I was.
10:48 dunz0r And not hang in this channel
10:48 dunz0r More likey #leet-hax0rs-that-do-crimes
10:48 dunz0r Or something
10:48 GuShH_Lap this is just two angry fellas out of the many millions out there who would surely grab a gun and end a few politicians rather than talk on IRC about it
10:48 MaoIsAcat dunz0r , where are you from?
10:48 GuShH_Lap there goes one agent
10:48 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: Sweden.
10:49 GuShH_Lap Ah, another country I'd rather live in
10:49 MaoIsAcat ohh, lovely country
10:49 Tom_itx most of those angry ones aren't smart enough to pull it off though
10:49 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: you're thinking naked police women aren't you
10:49 MaoIsAcat xD
10:49 GuShH_Lap Tom_itx: as long as one or more politicians die, I don't care if they get caught.
10:49 GuShH_Lap problem is, they replicate like nanobots.
10:50 GuShH_Lap one dies, two pop out from under the carpet
10:50 nz0r is always thinking of nake police w
10:50 GuShH_Lap most of our police women are ugly
10:50 GuShH_Lap a few are hot though
10:50 MaoIsAcat I would like to move to the north of europe. But i'm hearing that racism is increasing.
10:51 MaoIsAcat I don't know why
10:51 GuShH_Lap interesting, but I haven't moved north of europe yet
10:51 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: It's just in Denmark.
10:51 GuShH_Lap so it must be some other factor in play
10:51 dunz0r And danes talk funny and drink.
10:51 GuShH_Lap the only danish I've ever known was racist indeed.
10:51 GuShH_Lap but they seem to discriminate mostly against poor people
10:52 MaoIsAcat dunz0r , we are trying to follow the sweden example with this fucking political/economical crisis
10:52 GuShH_Lap is it in sweden where the older your car is the more you pay in taxes?
10:52 GuShH_Lap ie. it's the other way around from most countries.
10:52 dunz0r GuShH_Lap: No, if it's older than 30 years taxes are free.
10:53 dunz0r But I think newer cars, nowadays have less tax on them.
10:53 GuShH_Lap dude, you don't want to drive anything that is 30 years old for other than a weekend ride to the icecream store
10:53 MaoIsAcat newer cars, with less contamination, pay less taxes
10:53 dunz0r Since they put less strain on the enviroment in terms of emissions.
10:53 GuShH_Lap which generally it's just bullshit
10:54 GuShH_Lap an example where it's bullshit, chainsaws.
10:54 dunz0r You don't pay emission taxes on chainsaws...
10:54 GuShH_Lap they lean them so much they last shorter, thus forcing you to buy another one earlier... the emissions involved in the manufacturing of the extra units and transport of them outweighs whatever gain you could have from adjusting a carb too lean.
10:55 MaoIsAcat dunz0r what's the medium salary in sweden?
10:55 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: In what currency?
10:55 GuShH_Lap dunz0r: actually you can pay fines if you remove the spark arrestor in the US, at least most states.
10:55 MaoIsAcat euros
10:55 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: se pueden cambiar las pesetas o hace mil a�os que no valen nada?
10:55 GuShH_Lap xD
10:55 dunz0r GuShH_Lap: I don't think there's a fine for that here, not on chainsaws at least.
10:56 GuShH_Lap dunz0r: no spark arrestor = possibility of a fire
10:56 GuShH_Lap then again it's rather silly, since the chain emits sparks when it encounters sand and other poop on the bark of the tree
10:56 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: I'll have to get back to you in a moment. Need to read some statistics to find the median salary :)
10:56 GuShH_Lap including hidden nails, fences, etc.
10:56 GuShH_Lap so really it's just more bullshit from their end
10:58 GuShH_Lap my god avast really does suck.
10:58 GuShH_Lap I excluded my compile directories and it still bothers me
10:58 GuShH_Lap first and last time I use avast.
10:58 GuShH_Lap plus it gives me false positives on my own exes
10:59 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: I bet dunz0r doesn't have a clue about salaries in his country whatsoever! let him wiki his way out of this one
10:59 GuShH_Lap like most kids wiki their way out of school these days
10:59 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: Seat sigue dise�ando y fabricando coches?
10:59 dunz0r GuShH_Lap: Well... I don't have a clue about it. Reading reports atm
11:00 MaoIsAcat GuShH_Lap, You can change pesetas to euros anytime in the central bank
11:00 dunz0r I think it's around 2600 euro.
11:00 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: how much is 1 peseta worth?
11:00 dunz0r That's the median salary though. Not medium
11:00 dunz0r Since medium salary is fairly useless.
11:01 MaoIsAcat 166 pesetas is 1 euro
11:01 GuShH_Lap eek
11:01 MaoIsAcat here, the medium salary is about 700 euros
11:02 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: A car/house/whatever probably costs about 1/3 of what it costs here though.
11:02 dunz0r Comparing salaries between countries is not a very good measurement.
11:02 dunz0r One should compare it in relation to something
11:03 dunz0r Like how many loafs of bread you can get for said salary or something.
11:03 GuShH_Lap is this going to turn into a "mine is bigger than yours" competition?
11:03 MaoIsAcat yes, I know, but all is increasing its price
11:03 GuShH_Lap inflation!
11:03 MaoIsAcat and now, people cant live with 700 euros
11:03 dunz0r I can get ~1125 loafs of bread for a salary of 2600 euros here.
11:04 GuShH_Lap to be fair people don't know how to live with twice that amount because they got used to disposable income
11:04 GuShH_Lap buying shit they don't need
11:05 MaoIsAcat the problem comes, when you see porsche along the stree more than ever
11:05 MaoIsAcat as GuShH_Lap said, the difference between rich people and poor people is increasing
11:06 MaoIsAcat dunz0r do you whant a summer house?
11:06 MaoIsAcat want*
11:07 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: Some day maybe.
11:07 dunz0r Need to buy a regular house first.
11:07 GuShH_Lap MaoIsAcat: if you had 1 million euro in the bank, you'd be richer next year
11:07 GuShH_Lap and even more the next, and so forth.
11:07 GuShH_Lap with interests
11:07 MaoIsAcat I need to improve my english, come to Spain in summer and I go to sweden
11:08 GuShH_Lap since at that amount it actually gets to increase quite a bit
11:08 MaoIsAcat xD
11:08 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: Haha, you'll freeze to death an I'll melt from the heat :)
11:08 GuShH_Lap now think about people with 10 or more million... they won't get poor any time soon.
11:08 dunz0r Spain in the summer seems painfully hot.
11:08 GuShH_Lap dunz0r: Argentina is worse
11:08 MaoIsAcat foreigners are very happy
11:08 GuShH_Lap It hasn't rained in months
11:09 nz0r just calculated that he would need about 1.7 million euros in the bank to live off the inter
11:09 dunz0r So not anytime soon :|
11:09 GuShH_Lap dunz0r: see... well if you had that amount you wouldn't be getting poor, but richer
11:09 GuShH_Lap anything less than that and you can't depend on interests
11:10 dunz0r GuShH_Lap: I would get so much interest, with just letting it sit on the bank that I could live fairly good for the rest of my life on it.
11:10 dunz0r But if I did have that amount of money, I'd invest it.
11:10 dunz0r And donate some ofc.
11:10 GuShH_Lap well now we need Mr. Donald Trump to lend us the seed money
11:10 MaoIsAcat dunz0r , do you know any robotics company at sweden?
11:10 GuShH_Lap I wouldn't donate shit, I already lost a lot due to "charity" fuck it. real charity is when you go get something and hand it to those in need
11:11 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: Yeah. ABB.
11:11 GuShH_Lap not wire transfer to some ghost non profit.
11:11 dunz0r MaoIsAcat: I'm just a hobby robotocist though, there's probably more
11:11 MaoIsAcat good company
11:12 MaoIsAcat Can I live at sweden with only english?
11:13 MaoIsAcat or do I need to learn Swedish?
11:14 GuShh3 hm
11:14 SorcererX there are jobs that only require English, if that is what you mean
11:15 MaoIsAcat but what about living in the country?
11:16 SorcererX you might have trouble communicating with some people that are 70+, but that is about it
11:17 MaoIsAcat SorcererX , are you from sweden too?
11:17 SorcererX nope, Norway
11:18 MaoIsAcat ohh, we spoke about racism in norway a few minutes ago
11:18 MaoIsAcat or was denmark?
11:19 MaoIsAcat xD
11:24 GuShh3 lol
11:24 MaoIsAcato sorry, I had the typical windows blue screen
11:27 MaoIsAcat I hate Micro$ost Windows
11:31 GuShh3 :o
11:31 GuShh3 MaoIsAcat: driver or hw issue
11:31 GuShh3 not entirely MS' fault
11:34 MaoIsAcat GuShh3 driver issue
11:34 MaoIsAcat but I can't fix it
11:38 GuShh3 :/
11:39 MaoIsAcat I've tried all I can
11:39 GuShh3 tried with fire?
11:39 GuShh3 fire usually works
11:39 MaoIsAcat I prefer to use linux instead of fire
11:39 MaoIsAcat I think is a better option
11:39 MaoIsAcat but yes, fire usually works
11:41 home MaoIsAcat: lol Windows rocks
11:41 home what's fire?
11:41 Shh3 sets home on
11:41 GuShh3 oh shi
11:42 MaoIsAcat Windows rocks ?
11:42 MaoIsAcat O_o
11:42 home yeah
11:42 home its awesome
11:42 home all my software runs on it
11:43 MaoIsAcat Are you serious?
11:43 home yeah :D
11:43 MaoIsAcat well, it's your opinion
11:43 home I use Linux too
11:43 home am on Linux now, but seriously
11:44 home there are times where you have to use Windows
11:44 home just like there are times where you have to use facebook, twitter, or call 911
11:46 GuShh3 no you don't have to use facebook nor twitter
11:46 home exactly
11:46 home but there are times, where you ought too :P
11:46 GuShh3 "oh I must let everyone know I'm taking a huge dump, let's join twitter"
11:46 GuShh3 no.
11:47 home Twitter is very useful
11:47 home if used right
11:47 GuShh3 ...
11:48 GuShh3 so is anthrax
11:48 home yeesss, especially anthrax
11:48 home no but seriously, Windows is pretty useful
11:48 home everyone uses it
11:49 home a majority of programs I use, don't run on Windows :/
11:49 home though....and vice versa..
11:49 MaoIsAcat GuShh3 you're all the time thinking about ways to die
11:49 GuShh3 or ways to kill
11:49 GuShh3 ;)
11:50 GuShh3 that reminds me I havent got any weapon on my right now, brb.
11:50 MaoIsAcat I think this channel will be investigated
11:50 GuShh3 my/me
11:50 home some insane people here
11:50 GuShh3 starting by you
11:51 MaoIsAcat you can change the topic's channel to Psychology only
11:52 home lol, because I use Windows, I am insane? 0_0
11:52 GuShh3 usually the person claiming others are insane is the actual insane one.
11:52 home nice try mr insane guy
11:52 MaoIsAcat xD
11:52 GuShh3 ...
12:12 MaoIsAcat I've a question, apart from all these GuShh3's plan to kill people
12:13 home wow
12:13 home a legitmate question
12:13 home thats nice
12:14 MaoIsAcat I'm making a line follower, but I don't know what to do with the 90 degrees curves
12:15 MaoIsAcat because you find a horizontal line, not a vertical line
12:22 MaoIsAcat no drugs/weapons, no answers
12:22 MaoIsAcat xD
12:22 MaoIsAcat dunz0r bring more coffee
13:11 Tom_itx for those that have the programmer there's an update available. It now saves the ISP SPI frequency in eeprom now so you don't have to select it in studio in case your target requires a different frequency than the default.
13:25 home Tom_itx: what programmer
13:47 Tom_itx mine
14:17 home Tom_itx: coool
14:28 rue_house ooh my, what are goals for today...
14:30 RifRaf to get through the next 8 hours work
14:31 home urgh
14:31 home building sucks
14:31 home programming sucks
14:31 home I suck
14:32 RifRaf home what are you trying to make?
14:36 home urgh
14:36 rue_house home, whats not working
14:36 home I am just frustrated
14:36 home that's it :D
14:37 rue_house by?
14:37 home but there is something that is not working alright
14:37 home some stupid encoders, not giving me any kind of input
14:37 home urgh
14:37 home and when I did get an input
14:37 home it was like, 2043043403
14:37 rue_house what kinda encoders
14:37 home quadrature
14:37 rue_house show me a picture of one or the same type
14:38 rue_house how many wires come off them
14:38 home anyway, I will think of how to fix it in the afternoon XD
14:38 home http://www.usdigital.com/products/e4p
14:38 home 1 for channel A
14:38 home 2 for channel B
14:38 home and the rest are ground and positive
14:39 home anyway
14:39 home gtg
14:39 home I gotta fix it my own way...
14:39 rue_house how many pins is yours?
14:39 rue_house 4 or 6?
14:41 rue_house I bet its 6 and he dosn't know about the differential thing
15:56 RifRaf is anyone else in here becoming familiar with webbotlibs or just me?
15:57 RifRaf trying to implement the timers and schedulers and need an example
16:06 Squint I've used it
16:06 Squint but I wouldn't claim to be familiar :p
16:06 Squint I liked it though
16:07 Squint I'm afraid I won't be able to help with timers :(
16:09 RifRaf hi Squint, cool
16:10 RifRaf it has its own timer.h and schedular libraries, they are documented as easy to use
16:10 RifRaf once again having issues understanding the usage
16:13 Tom_itx what sort of help do you need?
16:13 Tom_itx the scheduler is basically a timer sliced into bits
16:13 Tom_itx with some bits having higher priority than others
16:23 RifRaf an example of code that uses it, i'd like to make the sonic sensor check every 250ms instead of constantly be scheduling it
16:23 RifRaf every time i try i end up with broken code
16:24 Tom_itx zlog
16:27 Tom_itx what's the lib name again?
16:28 RifRaf webbotlibs, will find relevant link
16:29 Tom_itx i got it already
16:29 RifRaf http://webbot.org.uk/WebbotLibDocs/27187.html
16:29 RifRaf thats the link to schedualr page
16:32 Tom_itx sounds like it must call itself recursively to keep working
16:32 Tom_L Queue up a function to be called at a later date. The scheduler only calls the function once - so if you want it to keep running then it will need to keep calling this function to queue itself up again.
16:32 Tom_L http://www.webbot.org.uk/WebbotLibDocs/27187.html#obj_27348
16:33 Tom_L with 2 examples
16:33 Tom_L make your sonar function as you normally would
16:33 RifRaf yes i tryed them sir, but obviosly not correctly
16:33 RifRaf like what should this say myCallback(MyData * data
16:34 Tom_L data is a structure
16:34 Tom_L start is the TICK_COUNT in microseconds
16:36 Tom_L the 2nd part of the 2nd example would be what you are interested in
16:37 rue_house RifRaf, there are a number of coding things I want to teach you
16:37 rue_house RifRaf, where are you up to with the book your learning from?
16:37 Tom_L rue_house, he want's to read the last chapter first
16:37 rue_house thats rifraf
16:37 Tom_L i know
16:37 Tom_L but i'm still trying to help
16:37 rue_house yup
16:38 Tom_L i just don't know the lib and what the parameters expect to be
16:38 rue_house thats why I want to walk him thu
16:38 Tom_L i know what schedulers are
16:38 rue_house he needs to know about function and data pointers
16:38 Tom_L that's not in the first chapter either
16:39 Tom_L probably about midway thru the book
16:39 Tom_L 'hypothetical book'
16:39 Tom_L RifRaf, try scheduling a blinking led first
16:40 Tom_L and let the scheduler handle blinking 2 of them
16:40 Tom_L get that to work and you will be well on the way
16:41 Tom_L let the scheduler take priority over one so it will blink 'out of turn'
16:41 Tom_L those will be the more important events you want to keep track of in the flow of things
16:42 Tom_L ie, you damn well better stop or you will fall off a cliff
16:47 Tom_L does the Project Designer cover scheduling tasks?
16:48 Tom_L if so, start with the 2 led example with it
16:48 Squint from memory the project designer just handles setting up what kind of hardware is attached to what pins
16:48 Squint programming is done elsewhere
16:48 Squint it was very nice about it though and I may be wrong
16:52 Tom_itx the scheduler is included in timer.h and is a 1ms heartbeat timer
16:52 RifRaf hi rue_house did not get too far into the book, lost at if statements
16:52 RifRaf but working now, tonight want to get schedular working though
16:53 Tom_itx read the scheduler.h introduction part
16:53 RifRaf ok will read again all day long till it sinks in
16:54 Tom_itx it's just a starting point
16:54 Tom_itx also read timer.h
16:54 Tom_itx for the function descriptions
16:55 RifRaf yep tryed to study that one too
16:55 rue_house RifRaf, what lost ya
16:55 RifRaf guess i need to study harder
16:55 Tom_itx it takes time
16:55 RifRaf as soon as they say just use it like this...
16:56 RifRaf then i get lost, knowing what data to give the variables
16:56 Tom_itx what directory has the scheduler.c file?
16:56 Tom_itx we are digging for that
16:56 RifRaf where you extracted webbotlibs
16:56 Tom_itx there are umteen directorys there
16:56 RifRaf in the main one
16:57 RifRaf should only be a folder for each type of device, then some for timers and gaits and other stuff
16:57 Tom_itx not the .c
16:57 RifRaf need to install on here, will do directly
17:00 RifRaf did you find it?
17:01 RifRaf guess there is no .c for it
17:13 RifRaf Tom_itx Project Designer is to configure all your hardware and the board itself, not for the coding part, thats just like 'normal' in a text editor
17:15 RifRaf to use webbotlibs you still need to be able to code, just do not have to be concerned with low level stuff
17:17 Tom_itx or maybe you do :)
17:19 Squint well, there are degrees of "low level" :p
17:19 Tom_itx no
17:19 Tom_itx there always comes a point you must know the code
17:19 Tom_itx no matter who wrote it
17:19 Squint There are an enormous number of C# and Java programmers who would disagree with you there
17:20 Tom_itx let them
17:20 Squint it depends what you are trying to achieve
17:20 Tom_itx i hold my ground
17:20 Squint if you want to play with robots, know the low level stuff. If you want to make a new graphics engine or do device driver things, also.
17:21 Tom_itx so you can spend your time learing what they did and how they want you to use it or you can learn it for yourself
17:21 Squint If you want an app for the iPhone because your boss says so you can hack it out in a language you've never seen before and really not care
17:22 Squint webbotlib allowed me (I know C and C++ very well) to make servos move and lights turn on without learning anything more about the arm chip than where to stick the AVR programmer
17:22 Squint and that suited me just fine, since I wanted to create something, not reinvent arduinos
17:23 uint doesn't have an arduino - let's not start that argument
17:23 Tom_itx i have one
17:23 Tom_itx :)
17:28 Tom_itx i'm thinking they don't give you all the source for this lib
17:29 Tom_itx rather precompiled files for some of it
17:32 RifRaf Tom_itx it needs a few more people to use it so there are working code examples online
17:33 Squint "working"? You'd need to make the associated hardware available for download :p
17:33 RifRaf but i guess if you can code then you can understand the instructions
17:33 Squint is your code not working or not compiling?
17:33 RifRaf Squint just some code that uses parts like timers and schedulers, the gaits and gait runner
17:34 RifRaf can get it to compile but not work as planned
17:34 Squint ah, ok, you are better off debugging that without me then I probably can't help much
17:34 RifRaf i know its just me
17:34 Squint I'm doing non-robot code atm and my brain hurts
17:34 RifRaf heh
17:38 Tom_itx so post it again
17:38 RifRaf my code?
17:38 Tom_itx we got one working yesterday
17:38 RifRaf is at home sorry
17:38 RifRaf yes i got the if working
17:39 Tom_itx was easy after you added the extra condition
17:40 Tom_itx where's their main doc page?
17:40 orlok Eurgh.
17:40 orlok No internet at home. Back at work.
17:42 Tom_itx mmm appears what i had was it
17:43 orlok ISP's provisioning software is crap. Theres multiple player of crap involved
17:44 orlok I want the exact same service the previous owners had - However, they cannot give me that service, as there are no free ports.
17:44 orlok Because the disconnection of the previous owners service has not completed yet
17:51 RifRaf Tom_itx there will be a full pdf doc in the folder you extracted the libs to
18:04 RifRaf someone has put alot of work into these libs that they did not have too cause they can obviously code well
18:04 RifRaf shame that people are adverse to using them
18:07 Squint are they? I use them when I want to play with my AVR
18:08 RifRaf good to see Squint, hopefully we can share some ideas, have been able to get the gait designer and runner working
18:08 Squint when I go back to it, one day
18:09 Squint I have plans, I just have lots of plans, and the plans on top of the heap right now don't have robots in
18:09 Squint also, it's bed time - nn :)
18:10 RifRaf ok no worries, this is where i am upto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn-QCJp0EE8
18:11 RifRaf oh he left
18:20 rue_shop2 huh
18:39 RifRaf wats up rue?
20:04 deepsea a
20:08 rue_shop2 yay I made a REALLY awesome gerabox
20:14 zhanx LoRez, you around?
20:14 zhanx or is rue a freenode operator also?
20:18 anx face palms and updates his pass
20:19 RifRaf rue gonna show and tell?
20:20 zhanx whats a gera?
20:22 rue_shop2 oh the camera is here
20:42 RifRaf Wildblue you are not related to wildmage are you?
20:45 Wildblue im not, not even sure who that is
20:51 RifRaf the guy that made this channel, have not seen him around for years
20:52 zhanx !seen wildblue
20:52 tobbor wildblue is here
20:52 zhanx err
20:52 zhanx !seen wildmage
20:52 tobbor wildmage was last seen in #robotics on Jan 07 00:09 2013
20:52 zhanx that is a while
20:53 RifRaf musta not been on that day
20:53 Tom_itx he's not been present much lately
20:54 KimLaroux This is an interesting time format
20:55 RifRaf heh
20:55 ace4016 he does have a child and wife; and his research and such
20:55 ace4016 must not have enough time
20:55 Tom_itx we don't have much to go from now that the myan calendar has run out
20:59 zhanx need a new idea for my drum faces
20:59 zhanx something stouter than a t-shirt
21:00 Tom_itx deer skin
21:00 Tom_itx ripstop nylon
21:00 Tom_itx you got plenty of that around
21:00 Tom_itx think you would miss a small piece?
21:01 Tom_itx monocote
21:02 Tom_itx shrinkwrap they use on model planes
21:02 Tom_itx or big boat covers
21:05 zhanx shrink wrap is a good idea
21:05 Tom_itx or even just that celphane packing wrap
21:05 Tom_itx it's pretty damn tough
21:05 zhanx think i got some left over from my last model airplane
21:36 RifRaf zhanx i used to get this 1mm plastic sheet that i could vacuum form, would be perfect
21:37 zhanx RifRaf, going out tomorrow to look at options
21:56 RifRaf i found it at the local plastics factory, but i know not every town has one of them
22:26 Tom_itx Project Designer sucks
22:27 Tom_itx won't let me drag any devices across for one thing
22:41 rue_shop2 rifraf, is it a codecademy thing your doiing?
22:42 Tom_itx i'm finding it just as bad as arduino
22:42 Tom_itx saved a project but god only knows where it's at
22:43 Tom_itx it's not where i told it
23:19 RifRaf it works great tom, just get the hang of it
23:19 RifRaf no playing for me tonightm gotta stay back for 5 hours or so
23:19 RifRaf well watch where you save it next time
23:20 RifRaf project designer is actually rAther brilliant, just get used to it
23:43 RifRaf Tom_itx did you get it?
23:44 RifRaf if your board is not there you need to first spend some time in board designer so you can add it
23:44 RifRaf time well spent because after that your board is setup for any other project
23:48 RifRaf i can send you board files for any that we both have, like have added ano arduino etc, and my custom ones
23:58 rue_shop2 gnome gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gnome-keyring gnome-themes
23:58 rue_shop2 gnome-themes-more gtk2-engines-pixbuf