#robotics Logs

Nov 10 2012

12:12 Tom_itx maybe
12:12 DagoRed awesome, I have a questions about your programmer.
12:12 DagoRed PM?
12:13 Tom_itx what about it?
12:14 DagoRed It's not working well for me using. AVR studio and avrdude in windows can't seem to find the programmer... however the arduino IDE for burning boot loaders.... but fails on attempting to burn boot loaders.
12:14 DagoRed I tried to update the firmware with FLIP like you have posted on your site, and I can't access the programmer at all.
12:15 Tom_itx does hardware manager show it under jungo driver?
12:15 Tom_itx arduino screwed mine up once
12:15 DagoRed it did
12:16 DagoRed I update the driver with the atmel driver and that is fixed.
12:16 DagoRed What the hell is jungo?
12:16 Tom_itx usb driver for studio
12:16 DagoRed ahh
12:16 Tom_itx see if you want to use avrdude under windows you must swap drivers AND firmware
12:16 Tom_itx it's a driver issue
12:17 DagoRed does it come programmed for linux originally?
12:17 Tom_itx yep
12:17 Tom_itx the first driver on the list... the one for studio will work under linux with avrdude but not under windows with avrdude because of the jungo driver
12:18 Tom_itx and
12:18 DagoRed Well I have the driver, so do I use FLIP for updating the firmware?
12:18 Tom_itx FLIP takes a different driver yet
12:18 Tom_itx you can
12:18 Tom_itx or you can use DFU programmer under linux
12:19 Tom_itx the driver for flip is in it's directory under usb
12:19 Tom_itx it won't interfere with jungo
12:19 DagoRed well... I use debian on a virtual machine however AVRDUDE was fighting me there.
12:20 DagoRed I can't get FLIP to see the programmer.
12:20 Tom_itx just make sure you got the right driver loaded and it should work ok
12:20 Tom_itx you may need to go in to hardware manager and update the driver
12:20 Tom_itx then pick the one in the flip directory
12:21 DagoRed ok, I haven't tried that
12:21 DagoRed I will now.
12:21 Tom_itx i suppose it could get a bit confusing
12:50 rue_shop3 I figured out one of the shop problems
12:50 rue_shop3 I get in here and I want to do everything
12:51 rue_shop3 the shop was designed so I can do anything
12:51 Tom_itx everything gets in the way of anything
12:51 Centauri heh
12:54 rue_shop3 hmm I dont have a 1" holesaw
13:00 rue_shop3 its not helping that I just cant concentrate latley
13:12 Tom_itx how come?
13:13 rizlah Indeed.
13:13 rizlah I am not extremely interested in also knowing how come.
13:13 Tom_itx you just joined too late
13:14 rizlah xD ik
13:27 rizlah Tom_itx: Wadda gwan?
14:29 rue_mohr I should go test my step sequencer
16:34 Tom_itx is it in step?
16:59 rue_mohr not sure, I was asleep
17:04 Tom_itx well get in sync
17:07 rue_mohr I have to replace sensor 3 of the boiler
17:07 rue_mohr its erratic
17:09 Tom_itx i should be productive this evening
17:17 rue_mohr every waking moment should work to be
17:17 rue_mohr if you could live forever, how long before you think you would throw in the towel?
17:20 rue_mohr the world really lacks good self-modifying programming languages
17:20 rue_mohr I wanted to make someting and thought brainf**k would be great to use, but it cant self modify
17:20 rue_mohr apparently harvord vs von-neuman
17:21 Tom_itx not long from now
17:37 DagoRed damn programmer is fighting me still
17:45 DagoRed Tom_itx: This programmer hates me.
17:57 rue_shop what the programmer?
17:58 DagoRed One I bought from Tom a year ago.
18:13 Tom_itx where you at with it?
18:15 Tom_itx and how did it get screwed up?
18:17 DagoRed I'm going to be corrected hopefully in #avr
18:32 Tom_itx does the green light come on when you plug it in?
18:35 DagoRed yes
18:36 DagoRed Tom_itx: I could never get flip to connect in windows.
18:36 DagoRed I'm trying to get the programmer to work in linux.
19:06 rue_mohr ah
19:07 rue_mohr i USED dfu
19:07 rue_mohr I used DFU
21:47 tsmeow-afk has a question, does anyone want
21:51 ace4016 sure
21:51 ace4016 i kind of miss the kats
21:52 katsmeow-afk how much would a robot finger cost, just the finger, no actuators?
21:53 katsmeow-afk i mention finger, not hand, for those wanting 2-finger, 3-finger, or 6-finger hands
21:54 rue_mohr hmm
21:54 katsmeow-afk lets assume the finger was strong enought hat you could add actuators to make it grip as tightly as you can
21:54 rue_mohr made fom pvc pipe?
21:54 katsmeow-afk steel
21:54 rue_mohr steel pipe?
21:55 katsmeow-afk you did not announce you had a question
21:55 katsmeow-afk steel, milled, drilled, mashed, steel, steel ball bearings
21:55 rue_mohr I'm prone to unannounced questions?
21:55 rue_mohr how big a finger?
21:56 rue_mohr do I just ask questions?
21:56 katsmeow-afk medium-small "male", medium-large "female"
21:56 katsmeow-afk no, i want an answer
21:57 rue_mohr not the size of the mecha then, hmm
21:57 katsmeow-afk human-sized
21:57 katsmeow-afk could be scaled up, i spose, for the right price
21:58 rue_mohr you were offline for a while, now your looking for a replacement finger, I'm concerned
21:58 katsmeow-afk i was not offline
21:58 rue_mohr well, material would be much
21:58 katsmeow-afk i was not in here
21:58 rue_mohr exactly
21:58 rue_mohr I would think $15 in materials
21:59 rue_mohr about 70 hours labour
21:59 katsmeow-afk i felt/feel worthless after the last discussion, but i gambled i could get an answer to my question: how much would a robot finger cost, just the finger, no actuators?
21:59 katsmeow-afk so $100 per finger, no actuators? no hand, no sensors?
22:00 rue_mohr I dont remmeber the last disscussion, what made you feelworthless?
22:00 katsmeow-afk that prices a hand at $800 or so?
22:00 rue_mohr just verry finely crafted steel parts with ball bearings
22:00 rue_mohr carefull, there are some actuators in the hand
22:00 rue_mohr for cupping and someting to do with the thumb
22:00 katsmeow-afk discussion where you bait me to talking about something important and then talk 2x as fast as i do all thru it, about marshmellows
22:01 katsmeow-afk where are there actuators in a hand i built without actuators?
22:04 katsmeow-afk hello?
22:08 katsmeow-afk hello?
22:08 katsmeow-afk so i do not deserve an answer?
22:19 rue_mohr oh I f***ed up the boiler again
22:19 rue_mohr damnit the safety tripped and now I cant get it to stay closed
22:19 rue_mohr damnit
22:29 rue_shop3 and hte house loop caught air and needed to be reprimed
22:29 rue_shop3 and now the boiler will be full of air
22:39 NotWorthCr4p so why not just ban me, rue?
22:40 fckng_stupid you don't wanna talk to me anyhow
22:50 rue_shop3 kat, I'm dealing with a boiler problem,
22:50 rue_shop3 I keep telling your I'm now always at the keybaord
22:50 rue_shop3 and you keep catching me when I leave to do something critical and are in a huge huff cuase you think I'm ignoring you
22:51 rue_shop3 I'm TRYING to get the house up teo 20c
22:51 rue_shop3 the house circ pump keeps air locking
22:52 rue_shop3 I dont think there is enough antifreeze in the system anymore to help keep the air out
22:52 rue_shop3 so far I'v lost about 19gal of water cause the safety dumped 3 times on me
22:54 rue_shop3 I replaced a screwed sensor, but Im suspect of the numbers comming back from it
23:00 Tom_itx meh, she left
23:11 NotWorthCr4p marshmellow
23:11 NotWorthCr4p marshmellow
23:12 NotWorthCr4p marshmellow
23:15 rue_mohr once upon a time there was a house on a hill
23:15 rue_mohr in it lives too many people
23:15 Tom_itx it burned down
23:15 Tom_itx you didn't hear the end?
23:16 rue_mohr and each winter the people got cold
23:16 rue_mohr one day a salesman came by the house
23:16 rue_mohr he said "NATURAL GAS!! it will solve ALL your problems!"
23:17 rue_mohr the salesman said that he would pay a whole bunch of money for the people to switch all their appliances over to natural gas
23:18 rue_mohr the salesman said that the gas would always be cheap, the cost would almost never go up!
23:18 rue_mohr the people jumped in joy!
23:18 rue_mohr we will be warm and our electricity bills will be almost nothing!
23:19 rue_mohr the people gave the salesman lots of money and they were brough all new appliances
23:19 rue_mohr a stove, a dryer, a furnace, and a hot water tank!
23:20 rue_mohr that year the people had a great time with their gas appliances! they could cook and cook, take long long showers, and dry as much laundry as they wanted at verry little cost!
23:21 rue_mohr but, the next year, the gas company took away the peoples promotion rate
23:22 rue_mohr the people were dissapointed, but their energy costs were still lower than they had been
23:22 rue_mohr over the next 5 years, the gas prices kept going up and up
23:22 rue_mohr the people had a problem, they could no longer afford to heat the house up in the winter
23:23 rue_mohr oh I see, kat just plain left
23:24 DagoRed no, she changed her nick to see if you were paying attention.
23:24 rue_mohr ffs did the the boiler just dump again!?
23:24 DagoRed look to fckng_stupid
23:24 rue_mohr I was giving her a revence ooportunity but she's asleep at the switch or soemthing
23:24 rue_mohr I think I have to go deal with the boiler again
23:24 DagoRed good luck rue
23:27 rue_mohr I cant tell
23:28 rue_mohr it looks like it lost 2 gallons *maybe*