#robotics Logs
Oct 14 2012
#robotics Calendar
01:21 any79133836 wow, that was ~1.5 hrs of lag on that puter just for overworking windoze explorer by copying and deleting some files
01:22 y79133836 saw nothing in channel after : [21:32] *** mutil is now known as mutil
01:28 rue_bed test
01:29 useless no
01:29 rue_bed ok, well, only a few things to finish fixing up after the power outage
01:29 rue_bed have to get all the home automation working again
01:49 useless and you wondered why i was makng a 10x batery charger?
01:50 eless notes she said "
02:04 theBear still ? :(
02:10 useless did something change?
02:13 theBear not really, got my heartrate below 70 for the first time ever
02:15 useless bear, it was the same feeling, but not as hard, as going to Fla and finding out i was being set up to get ripped off,,,, i was asked to ,, oh yu know the whole thing
02:15 theBear yeah, i'm cursed with the perfect memory :(
02:15 useless i am becoming very phobic of humans
02:17 theBear don't blame yer, but surely you can make a little tiny concession for a bear ? i only ask one thing
02:18 useless call myself katsmeow, but still never contribute to the channel again?
02:19 theBear better than how i lost rif
02:20 theBear who knows, if you leave, rue might forever feel as bad as i do about that whole situation
02:20 theBear and then i'd have as few people to talk to here as i do in real life, and out of the millions and billions of people on the net, that would make me a very sad situation indeed
02:21 theBear you're fantastic !
02:22 katsmeow no i'm not, ask rue, i am worth less than marshmellows
02:22 theBear katsmeow, ahhh, i can finally call you by name again... and that's crazy talk, marshmallows ARE useless, i like to meet the fool that thought that was a good idea and slap them silly
02:23 katsmeow at least now i don't haveto figure out how to get 10 battery charger wires out of a rackmount charger
02:23 theBear see, i hate thinking or making decisions, but when the going gets tough... i couldn't bear to lose you now
02:24 theBear i dunno how normal people work, but i don't see things until i'm forced to
02:24 theBear you're important here
02:24 katsmeow i have many pounds of memory modules and 2x2x2 ft boxes of integrated circuits i can use as landfill
02:25 katsmeow bear, i am not going to be important here if when i try i am just the joke
02:26 theBear you and i both know rue doesn't know jokes.. he doesn't work that way
02:26 ShH wonders what did he do
02:27 theBear like me years ago, he's just the straw that broke the camel... doesn't make him not an ass for it, but ...
03:09 katsmeow umm, an app is now deleting 168,512 files from one directory, no tellingif windoze will lock up for aother hour or two
03:09 theBear odds on
11:00 rue_bed I suppose kat wouldn't be interested in me working on the program I made to do the same thing with irc data
11:00 rue_bed both rifraf and kat seem to have had moderate success with the pattern matching
11:00 rue_bed too bad they both threw out their work
11:01 rue_bed I wonder if thats the mechanism thats limited human technological advancement
11:02 theBear it only limits the twisted genius amongst us
11:02 rue_bed part of success is being the person who has the right background, experiance, and motivation, but maybe, maybe there is another component
11:02 rue_bed maybe there is a component about support from a social circle
11:02 rue_bed ooo irc lag
11:02 rue_bed oh 1.6 sec
11:03 theBear humans are social animals, but those like rif and kat and even me, are err, less so
11:03 rue_bed me too
11:04 rue_bed if I got a group, this is prettymuch it
11:04 rue_bed tho, there are a lot of people who visit me
11:04 rue_bed atleast 4
11:04 Tom_itx 4 is alot?
11:04 rue_bed ... its not?
11:04 theBear i think it is
11:05 theBear but i'm not normal
11:05 Tom_itx maybe if you're trying to sleep and they all show at once
11:05 rue_bed jester turned up last night
11:05 Tom_itx how many 'friends' should one acquire in a lifetime
11:05 Tom_itx and how many should one try to keep?
11:05 rue_bed oh you dont want to do that, poeple die
11:06 Tom_itx but they were still friends
11:06 theBear you know a jester ?
11:06 rue_bed there is just pain when they die
11:06 theBear Tom_itx, i suspect if you have to work to keep them, they aren't the friends you should have
11:06 rue_bed theBear, you havn't seen the_jester
11:06 rue_bed !seen jester
11:06 tobbor I have never seen jester
11:06 Tom_itx theBear, trie
11:06 Tom_itx true
11:06 theBear oh, i thought you meant a real one with a pointy hat and juggling balls
11:06 rue_bed !seen the_jester
11:06 tobbor The_jester was last seen in #robotics on Jul 20 17:21 2012
11:07 rue_bed he's helping build my reprap
11:07 theBear Tom_itx, i've considered things like friends a lot over the last few years, moving back 'home' across the country, getting crippled, being miserable...
11:07 theBear yeah yeah, i know that jester
11:08 Tom_itx rue_bed or is he watching _you_ build your reprap?
11:08 rue_bed I suppose you lot are all gonna die...
11:08 rue_bed he was helping
11:08 theBear yeah, but you first :)
11:09 rue_bed he assembled some
11:09 Tom_itx rue_bed, true but you won't know for sure. we will just dissappear
11:09 rue_bed just, I assembled more before he had a change to beat me to it
11:09 rue_bed yea
11:09 theBear tom's probably right, that's how most irc people 'go'
11:09 rue_bed that'll prolly make it easier
11:09 GuShH someone rename this channel to #emoland
11:09 rue_bed its phycology
11:10 Tom_itx who?
11:10 rue_bed bla, my mouth tastes ill
11:10 Tom_itx what did you put in it?
11:10 rue_bed nothing yet
11:10 Tom_itx or dare i ask
11:10 rue_bed maybe a coffdrop is a good idea
11:11 rue_bed ^^ silent letters
11:11 rue_bed I need an awake timer
11:11 GuShH are you telling me this here text comes from someone else?
11:11 ShH thought he was talking to his head all this
11:11 rue_bed so I have an idea of how concious I am
11:11 theBear my mouth tastes like b vitamins
11:11 theBear apparently i need them to ward off the confusion from lack of liquor
11:13 GuShH I'll have to update my rank of irc people most likely to spontaneously combust now
11:22 rue_bed heh, explode, hehe
11:27 rue_house theBear, are you not maintaining minimum BAL?
11:27 mutilator red bull guy is lil over half way up now
11:28 theBear 24 hours with NOTHING rue ! 8 standard drinks since thursday, including my outburst when i got sad about kat last night
11:28 theBear and now i go to bed, so i'm fresh for court in the morning :)
11:28 theBear and if anyone about to ask, i'm taking a restraining order, not in trouble
11:40 rue_house someone crazy about you eh?
11:40 GuShH theBear: crazy chick?
11:40 GuShH you can go to court for many things
11:41 GuShH assuming it's because you murdered someone is silly
11:41 GuShH rue_house: do you play old school games?
11:43 GuShH I think bear has a stalker, or the closest thing to it
11:43 rue_house is tetris an old school game?
11:43 GuShH rue_house: what's better, top view or side view?
11:44 Tom_itx pong is an old skool game
11:45 GuShH I remember playing mostly top view shoot em up games, side view were very limited and boring
11:45 GuShH for no good reason top view were packed with action, the others weren't
11:46 Tom_itx space envaders
11:48 GuShH anything prior to 2000 is considered old school these days, but I'm talking 90-80s
11:49 GuShH tetris would be side or "front" view anyway
11:49 GuShH I was mostly asking about shoot-em-up type of games
11:49 rue_house GuShH, I have one of those isometric games I started in python, want the source?
11:49 rue_house is supports anmations of the tiles
11:50 GuShH there were some crazy japanese ones
11:50 ShH has broken a gameboy trying to beat one of
11:50 GuShH speaking of which, anyone know where to get a cheap replacement screen for the classic gameboy?
11:50 GuShH only found front covers on ebay
11:52 rue_house precolour?
11:52 rue_house I should send you mine
11:52 rue_house my gbc was stolen
11:52 rue_house I was coding for them
11:52 GuShH I can hear the edge connection through my headphones, and the usb and audio lines both have ferrites on them...
11:54 GuShH rue_house: I'm not a fan of python
11:55 GuShH the original gameboy wasn't color :)
11:55 GuShH the big old white one.
11:55 GuShH I broke the screen and I couldn't find a replacement, ever.
11:56 GuShH now it's not white anymore, it turned yellow.
11:56 GuShH but I could try this open source oxi-mix to whiten it...
12:12 rue_house I think mines black
12:12 rue_house you should be anbel to find old gamboys with intact screens on abey
13:43 rue_house thinking in threads sure makes it hard to come out with anything linear
13:44 rue_house this is a test recording for spectrum analysis of vocal audio
13:44 rue_house guess I shouldn't do it while sucking on a cough candy
13:45 rue_house theBear, pop quiz, thats the approx centre freq of human vocal chords
13:48 home not sure
13:50 any38988542 Endeavour began its 12-mile journey from Los Angeles international airport on Friday,... The spacecraft that once reached 17,000mph (28,160km/h) has been trundling down the city's famously low-level boulevards at a stately 2mph...The 75-ton spacecraft entered service in 1992, making 25 trips, logging 123m miles and circling the globe almost 4,700 times....
13:50 any38988542 Endeavour has been placed on a 160-wheeled carrier which is being guided by remote control... so how many of you still mow your yards manually, outside in the noise and flying grass clippings, dirt, and bugs?
14:02 rue_house kat?
14:11 rue_house to 3kHz (half the sampling rate) i.e. where the human auditory system is
14:11 rue_house most sensitive.
14:13 rue_house this is a test recording for spectrum analysis of vocal audio
14:14 rue_house hmm
14:14 rue_house interesting spectogram
14:14 rue_house who wants to see?
14:15 rue_house ooo can can see the slew rate of the vocal chords
14:23 y38988542 burns marshmellows ins
14:24 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/spectrogram.png
14:24 rue_house this is a test recording for spectrum analysis of vocal audio
14:24 rue_house ""
14:24 y38988542 burns more marshmellows ins
14:25 rue_house look at the slew rate at the end there
14:25 any38988542 i have not looked, and do not intend to look
14:25 rue_house it looks like the chords go from 1khz to about 5khz
14:26 any38988542 thats nice
14:26 rue_house had lunch yet
14:27 y38988542 chaces a butte
14:27 e_house looks at the cold firepit where kat held her marshme
14:27 rue_house hmm... lunch
14:31 y38988542 looks at the boxes of wasted s
14:33 rue_house kat, please give me an analysis of your emotional state
14:34 rue_house I want to know if its better or worse than I think it is
14:35 any38988542 i am cold, i am useless, i wasted my time and effort trying to be useful, to share, to help,, my electronics and programming hobbies only make me the butt of jokes
14:36 rue_house this souinds like a match for depression, can you come up with an alternate conclusion?
14:37 any38988542 yes: i am useless, i wasted my time and effort trying to be useful, to share, to help,, my electronics and programming hobbies only make me the butt of jokes, so who in their right mind would not be depressed as hell?
14:39 rue_house thats the interetsing thing about depression, its just realization of the truth, in actualllity we should all be terribly depressed... anti-depression is the .. mode of life of not carring about all of that, and doing the things you want to regardless of.... it all
14:39 rue_house kat do you know the last time I finished a robot?
14:40 any38988542 <shrug>
14:40 rue_house over 20 years ago
14:40 rue_house that should have me terribly depressed
14:40 rue_house shouldn't it
14:40 rue_house ?
14:40 any38988542 <shrug>
14:41 rue_house tell me ONCE that I actually successfully got a newb going here in irc
14:41 rue_house hmm?
14:41 y38988542 burns more marshelemmos and sticks them to
14:41 rue_house kat, look at me, am I right?
14:41 any38988542 it's not important, it is irrelavant, marshmellows matter
14:42 rue_house sould I not be terribly depressed that I keep triggering this with you?
14:42 rue_house I think thats a dangerous example we shouldn't follow
14:43 GuShH any38988542: we already have one depressed asshole and that's me!
14:43 rue_house do you understand what I'm trying to say?
14:43 any38988542 you didn't "trigger it", you did something, you performed an event
14:43 any38988542 no, i do not understand, and not even trying to
14:43 y38988542 burns more marshele
14:44 rue_house oh this is a harmonics mess
14:44 GuShH why is kat depressed now?
14:45 any38988542 for the same reason i was 24 hrs ago
14:45 rue_house theBear, your the audio guru right?
14:46 GuShH WHY DAMMIT
14:46 GuShH but I wasn't paying attention
14:46 GuShH to anyone on irc
14:46 GuShH or anywhere for that matter.
14:46 rue_house I think kat is too but she is the fabrication guru
14:46 rue_house this fft comes to bits and pieces when you try to zoom in
14:47 any38988542 a fab guru that's worth less than marshmellows
14:47 GuShH any38988542: I think the boat guy is called geckosenator (if my memory serves today)
14:47 GuShH haven't seen him for months, but then again I haven't been to ##electronics for months.
14:47 GuShH anyway he was less ambitious and got a rusty old boat instead of building one from scratch
14:47 GuShH turns out you can get them cheap if they've been recovered or are about to be dumped
14:47 rue_house I request supporting evidence
14:48 ShH wishes he had the equipment to perform a meaningful fft anal
14:48 GuShH rue_house: I don't think trying to build someone's confidence up can help with depression
14:48 GuShH not when you sprinkle it like that over plain text.
14:48 any38988542 you were typing lines about marshmellows 2:1 to me fullfilling your request to describe a box fabrication i was doing
14:48 rue_house I'm not trying to build up kats confidence I know that wont work
14:49 GuShH either kat is actually depressed or there's a sick cat and mouse game going on.
14:49 rue_house any38988542, I was enjoying the story
14:50 rue_house I just want kat to know why she feels like she does, and what the difference is between theis and the other way she feels
14:50 GuShH everyone has their reasons to be depressed... shit just doesn't work the way it's supposed to.
14:51 any38988542 yeas, i was trying to be helpful, and the guy who asked me to be helpful then did his best ti be interrupting and changing the topic to MARSHMELLOWS
14:51 rue_house you were doing a fine job
14:51 Tom_itx that would be me
14:52 GuShH any38988542: I'm going to risk sounding like a gay guy, but we both know guys are like that.
14:52 GuShH they pretend to be interested.
14:52 GuShH they fuck up
14:52 GuShH they spend the rest of the time trying to unfuck things
14:52 any38988542 didn't sound gay
14:53 home wow
14:53 GuShH rue_house: sometimes funny doesn't work, sometimes people don't get your humor... happens to me :(
14:53 home are you guys at this again
14:53 GuShH there's a place and a time for funny
14:53 home Why let such meaningless things control you?
14:53 any38988542 why is it "again", when did it end and then restart?
14:55 rue_house again, did I offend you like this SINCE the last time you abandoned irc for ... months?
14:55 rue_house thre was the time beofre that too, I think you deleted tigger
14:56 y38988542 writes a script to say marshmellow things whenever rue says more than 4 words, this will be intertaining and funny for ever
14:56 any38988542 yeas, you may note Tiggr is not online
14:56 GuShH home: that depends. if you don't have anyone else to talk to or if you are being confident to that someone and they aren't paying attention, it can hurt some people.
14:57 home GuShH: wow
14:57 rue_house kat, do you acknowledge that its always me that gets you in a bad mood?
14:57 GuShH it's not always rue, I too can annoy people!
14:58 GuShH but I seem to annoy them when I'm unfiltered
14:58 GuShH or in a very shitty mood.
14:58 rue_house but its the things I say and do that REALLY manage to pissoff/upset kat
14:58 GuShH home: and other times you are so full of problems the least thing you want is for that someone to piss you off.
14:58 GuShH least/last/whatever
14:59 GuShH maybe it's love!
14:59 rue_house kat, is your lack of answer a yes?
14:59 ShH should get sur
15:00 GuShH I think most of my back / hip pain is due to kidney stones
15:00 rue_house I cant tell the centre from the harmonics
15:00 any38988542 no
15:01 GuShH trace the problem from the input
15:01 GuShH down
15:01 GuShH see where it begins to distort - spread
15:01 GuShH is it oscillating somewhere?
15:01 rue_house kat, oh, cmon, I have proof, please dont make me dig it all up
15:01 GuShH shit my back hurts.
15:01 rue_house GuShH,
15:01 GuShH I spent all day yesterday in bed
15:01 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/spectrogram.png
15:01 y38988542 burns another marshme
15:01 rue_house I blew that up
15:01 any38988542 bbl
15:01 GuShH just when I feel fine, I stand up and it sarts to hurt again.
15:02 GuShH feels like someone is stabbing me :(
15:02 rue_house so kat dosn't realize that I'm always the trigger
15:02 GuShH any38988542: gotta accept people's differences if you care about them
15:03 rue_house and I dont know if she realizes when she's upset like this, vs otherwise
15:03 GuShH the moment someone tries to change you, that someone should go to hell.
15:03 rue_house its always a badly timmed comment/action on my part
15:04 GuShH on this connection it's going to take an hour to download that png
15:04 GuShH it gets even worse during the weekends when everyone is using 3G, EDGE, etc here.
15:04 GuShH tone down the funny then.
15:04 GuShH and if you ask about someone's project listen to them before you talk about yourself
15:04 rue_house damn, the x size limit is 5000 and the y size limit is 1200
15:05 GuShH something to do with respect and others not liking your big ego.
15:05 rue_house 'Im not gonna change me'
15:05 rue_house kat better not change her either
15:06 rue_house I dont know what that means
15:06 rue_house ok everything I'm intersted in is under 5khz
15:07 GuShH right nobody should change the way they are, they should learn to live with their differences right? well the world ain't quite pink...
15:08 rue_house if so, then this is normal and we can expect it to continue in the future
15:08 rue_house every so often me and kat will collide and she will get depressed and go destroy something she is or has made
15:08 GuShH ebay somehow thinks I should buy a 42 inch tv and some other crazy shit.... is that based on my purchases? because I've never bought anything big or very expensive over there...
15:08 rue_house so why does she do this, its some form of retalliation
15:09 rue_house but retalliation against what
15:09 GuShH idiots
15:09 rue_house and against who
15:09 GuShH it's like when I looked up sparkplugs and then they thought I wanted to buy cars
15:09 rue_house who does she want to stop doing what
15:09 rue_house well I'm the trigger, so its against me
15:10 rue_house she wants me to stop doing someting
15:10 rue_house but there isn't anything consistant I do that cuases this
15:10 rue_house if she's gonna do it anyhow, maybeits worth some experimentation to
15:10 rue_house I dont advise that
15:11 GuShH rue_house: shes upset because of all the crap she has to go through and anything can trigger an event.
15:11 rue_house you can avoid it or try to fix it
15:11 rue_house I cant fix kat
15:11 rue_house so we have to change somethng about me
15:11 GuShH specially because you answer, most of her problems don't.
15:11 GuShH that's how I see it
15:11 rue_house what do you think
15:11 rue_house I dont know
15:11 GuShH but what do I know
15:12 rue_house GuShH, your input is helpfull
15:12 rue_house we dont work things out good ourselvs sometimes
15:12 rue_house external input is good
15:12 rue_house helps break reference circles
15:12 ShH can't talk with so much
15:12 rue_house rue is good at circles
15:12 rue_house its ok, were context sensitive
15:13 rue_house sensitive isn't the right word
15:13 rue_house aware?
15:13 rue_house yes, that better
15:13 GuShH speaking of robots, does either of your mower bots follow a set of waypoints or do they stay within a specified area, or are they entirely autonomous
15:14 GuShH I was thinking if I ever build one it may end up being a waypoint follower, due to simplicity reasons...
15:14 GuShH basically record all the actions and then play it back
15:14 rue_house I have to go play with a tone genorator for a min, biab
15:14 GuShH with minimum sensing
15:15 home I really need a digital calliper
15:16 GuShH I bought one, never got it... it's probably lost in the mail
15:16 GuShH or someone stole it
15:16 GuShH might wait one more week...
15:16 GuShH if it arrives I bet it'll be all bent up and useless
15:16 ShH hasn't got his carbon monoxide detector yet ei
15:20 home I need a lot of tools :D
15:20 home a speedgun would be nice
15:20 GuShH o.O
15:20 GuShH a what?
15:21 GuShH I'ma go play with the lawn mower......
15:35 rue_house no way points, my mower is strictly absicle avoidance
15:35 rue_house ok between the freq gen,freq counter, and the scope, vocal chord range is about 130Hz centre, 86hz low, 420hz high
15:35 rue_house higha nd low are not limits, but getting close
15:36 rue_house which means the 500hz I'm seeing is a harmonic
15:37 rue_house the harmonics seem stronger than the primary
15:37 rue_house waaaay stronger
15:38 GuShH rue_house: how does it know where it's been, a "height" switch?
15:39 rue_house no
15:39 rue_house it just wanders
15:39 GuShH jeez
15:39 rue_house the idea is that its random paths will cover the reqd area given enough time
15:39 GuShH wouldn't want that loose in my place
15:39 rue_house it works
15:39 GuShH but it doesn't sound efficient
15:41 rue_house hahah no its not
15:41 rue_house not at all
15:42 rue_house so lets see what happens when I top the spectrograph out at 500hz
15:42 GuShH if I build one it would have to be efficient since I'd use a gasoline engine for the mower part
15:42 GuShH it would most likely use an alternator to float the battery
15:42 GuShH directly coupled to the shaft
15:43 rue_house I wanted mine to go 24/7
15:43 rue_house therefore gas would be WAY too much noise
15:43 rue_house mine is supposed to be set-and-forget
15:43 GuShH how does it recharge
15:43 rue_house self charging, mows 24/7
15:43 rue_house button on the top for 'go away, I want the lawn for myself for thest rest of the day'
15:44 rue_house right now I drive it back to the shop and clip ont eh charger
15:44 rue_house its running a dos computer thats kinda maxed out on its BASIC software right now
15:44 GuShH so it stops and docks?
15:44 GuShH solar?
15:45 rue_house no I flip the charger to the battery terminals
15:45 rue_house its not done yet
15:45 rue_house but its at the point where the upgrades it nneds to advance are more than a rebuild from scratch
15:45 rue_house so I started a new one
15:45 rue_house carry all the technology over
15:45 rue_house start a new set of problems
15:46 GuShH err so it can't run 24/7
15:47 rue_house no its part of the design, its not htere yet
15:52 rue_house the new one will have wifi, make it easier to work with
15:52 rue_house as is, I have to plug in a monitor/keyboard
15:53 GuShH you sound like me...
15:53 rue_house !assist robots/mowerbot2
15:53 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot2
15:54 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot2/p1020374.jpg
15:54 rue_house I should update the image, i have a battery box and computer now
15:55 rue_house kat solved a mojor problem with my feedback castor, which I still have to finish
15:56 rue_house I think I have to add encoders where the brakes were
15:56 rue_house are?
15:56 rue_house are/were
16:09 Tom_itx rue_house did we cook too many smores ?
16:10 rue_house apparently so
16:11 Tom_itx it was a good story by the fire
16:11 Tom_itx i thought we needed a snack
16:13 rue_house I was enjoying it
16:19 Tom_itx ok i should get the 2560 by month end but i'm not real sure why i'm getting it
16:19 rue_house heh
16:19 rue_house cause its a toy
16:20 rue_house you like to play
16:20 rue_house the month will fly by
16:40 rue_house I dont understand
16:41 rue_house I'v trimmed off the whole bottom 4khz, and there is STILL vocal chord modulation in the 4k-15k band
16:41 Tom_itx what is all this audio stuff for?
16:42 rue_house voice recognition
16:42 rue_house I'm taking some time to test some ideas
16:42 rue_house but seperating out the static from the tone is not NEARLY as clear cut as I thought
16:51 rue_house strance, there is lot of silance is the word spectrum
16:52 rue_house strange
16:52 rue_house and 'a' has two really different freqs in it
17:07 rue_house this is a test recording for spectrum analysis of vocal audio
17:22 rue_house ok I just whispered the same thing
17:23 any38988542 WHAT?
17:24 rue_house oh my...
17:24 rue_house isn't this interesting
17:24 any38988542 yes want a marshmellow?
17:24 y38988542 lites a
17:24 rue_house yes please
17:24 any38988542 lemma have one!
17:24 any38988542 i want one too,
17:24 any38988542 fire is too hot
17:24 any38988542 gimme one
17:24 any38988542 i need a stick
17:24 any38988542 mine is on fire
17:24 any38988542 again? stop that
17:24 m_itx gives any38988542 a s
17:24 any38988542 but it's gooeys
17:25 any38988542 anyone got crackers?
17:25 any38988542 cheese!
17:25 rue_house while your all chewing, can I show you some images?
17:25 rue_house (just nod)
17:25 m_itx shakes viole
17:26 rue_house meh, close enough
17:26 rue_house !assist images/voice16k.png
17:26 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/voice16k.png
17:26 rue_house this is that phrase said normally
17:27 rue_house note the huge pile of octaves at the bottom
17:27 rue_house mess
17:27 rue_house !assist images/wisp16k.png
17:27 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/wisp16k.png
17:27 rue_house this is a whisper of the same thing
17:28 rue_house there is a prodominant freq band that follows thru
17:28 rue_house and it outlines the top of the octaves
17:32 rue_house it might be plausable that the 1k-3k range is all thats neede to understand speech
17:32 e_house plays with soem fl
17:33 e_house checks the supply of vo
17:35 any38988542 heh, since 1k-3k is telephone range for the last century, you may be right
17:36 rue_house heh
17:36 home :o
17:37 home I want marshmellows
17:37 rue_house carefull of kat will shove a handfull of them down your throat... :)
17:37 rue_house she's angry at me
17:38 any38988542 disappointed
17:39 rue_house oddly enough, if I filter the whisper down to the 900-3k range, it sounds higher than the origional
17:44 rue_house this shows a remarkable complexity of white noise
17:45 rue_house not just centering and width, but there is even some dual-banding
17:47 rue_house were talking stuff like X y k 2 in the spectrum charts
17:47 rue_house even an R
17:56 rue_house intesting, there is about a 50ms delay to generate noise around the 2.5Khz region
17:57 rue_house where did kats atmosphere go?
17:58 rue_house hmm the noise can be controled faster than the tones
18:10 rue_house the vocal chords are banding the static
18:11 rue_house other than the banding the 1k-3k range looks the same
18:12 rue_house in a whiper the noise is distributed smoother across the spectrum
18:14 rue_house oh, the banding is spaced the freq of the vocal chords
18:19 home :/ what you doing :D
18:22 rue_house I discovered what the critical elements of speech are
18:22 Tom_itx he's analizing his bathtub singing recording
18:22 rue_house now I'm trying to decide how to finish testing and use the results
18:22 rue_house wow, rainstorm
18:23 rue_house hmm been a long time, I should check the gutters
18:24 Tom_itx maybe you got tomatoes growing in em
18:25 GuShH rue_house: I would just use a couple electric motors with their respective gearbox and use an e-brake instead of a mechanical one
18:25 GuShH probably end up with swivel front wheels and control the whole thing with the two rear wheels
18:26 GuShH wifi would be nice
18:27 GuShH but bluetooth is certainly cheaper
18:27 GuShH I'm not sure if overall bt also consumes less power
18:27 GuShH I guess you could tweak the wifi radio if the drivers allow it
18:27 GuShH or the firmware
18:28 ShH would not use a laptop at all for
18:36 rue_house heh
18:36 rue_house I'm using a 12V micro-atx
18:37 rue_house e-brake?
18:37 rue_house what are you on about?
18:38 e_house stares at the key to human speech and wonders what to do wit
18:38 Tom_itx regenerative braking
18:38 rue_house heh
18:38 rue_house the wheelchair comes with the electronic brakes, I think I took them off
18:39 rue_house they are nice as when the powr goes out they lock on
18:39 rue_house because the robot is easily backdriven, the brakes can be a good thing
18:40 rue_house "Alarm 10:52:17: Main motor breaker tripped."
18:40 rue_house "Alarm 10:52:19: Rolling delected"
18:41 GuShH e-brake in the rc industry means electronic brake
18:41 GuShH nothing to do with the bs from the car industry
18:41 rue_house "Alarm 10:52:20: proximity alarm: preficice 201"
18:41 rue_house "Alarm 10:53:02: damnit, over I go....."
18:43 rue_house "Alarm 10:54:30: Positional error, down is up. Unrecoverable. Still dialing for help. USER WHERE ARE YOU"
18:47 orlok Eurgh
18:47 orlok daughters 1st birthday party yesterday
18:48 rue_house still peeling drunk children off the walls?
18:48 rue_house whats the noise thats not white?
18:48 rue_house pink!
18:48 rue_house thanks
18:49 Tom_itx what's the difference?
18:49 rue_house pink is biased
18:49 rue_house an area of freqs is higher than the rest
18:50 Tom_itx to block out voice?
18:50 rue_house no, I need pink noise to generate speech
18:51 m_itx enjoys a bowl of ice cream along with the leftover smores from last eve
18:51 rue_house ICECREAM!
18:53 rue_house I wonder how many sine waves you need to mix before they just sound like noise
18:54 Tom_itx it would probably depend whether they were harmonics or not
18:54 rue_house 'The human auditory system, which processes frequencies in a roughly logarithmic fashion approximated by the Bark scale, does not perceive them with equal sensitivity; signals in the 2?4-kHz octave sound loudest, and the loudness of other frequencies drops increasingly, depending both on the distance from the peak-sensitivity area and on the level. However, humans still differentiate between white noise and pink noise with ease.'
18:55 rue_house and I got 1-3
18:56 rue_house its possable to reverse a fft
18:56 rue_house heh its been too long
18:58 rue_house according to this I can band the noise in 130hz peices
18:59 theBear orright, looking good, not shakin too much, got some nice subtle pinstripe pants... can i wear a black shirt to court, or i need a white one ?
18:59 rue_house thats only 15 bands
18:59 Tom_itx white with a boe tie
18:59 Tom_itx :)
18:59 orlok depends what you are doing i guess?
19:00 Tom_itx black is suspicious
19:00 rue_house the good guy is white
19:00 rue_house its a deep ground in personification
19:00 rue_house find _1_ movie where the bad guy wears white
19:01 rue_house I bring up ALIEN as an example
19:01 rue_house their black
19:01 rue_house I'm not being racist
19:01 Tom_itx mib
19:01 rue_house hmm
19:01 e_house throws a blanket over Tom_
19:01 Tom_itx :)
19:01 rue_house see, nobody can come up with any examples
19:02 orlok CLockwork Orange
19:03 theBear requesting a restraining order
19:03 theBear orlok, hehe good answer
19:04 theBear and tie or no tie ?
19:04 orlok Eurgh, messy.
19:04 orlok Go with the tie.
19:05 theBear alright, i got purple fine stripes and black, opinion ?
19:06 orlok Sounds good.
19:08 Tom_itx boetie
19:08 Tom_itx red
19:08 Tom_itx :)
19:08 theBear don't have one, and couldn't tie it if i did :)
19:08 Tom_itx me neither
19:08 theBear hehe
19:08 lok needs to go and buy all this stuff t
19:08 orlok with any luck i have a job interview in the next few days
19:08 Tom_itx red tie indicates superiority
19:09 Tom_itx blues are more subuded
19:09 Tom_itx orlok, borrow theBear's
19:09 orlok Wrong state :)
19:09 Tom_itx heh
19:09 orlok its annoying, i only need this stuff every .. 10 years or so?
19:10 Tom_itx yeah
19:10 Tom_itx i'd wear kakis
19:10 orlok last time i think i wore pants/white shirt was.. my bosses wedding at last job?
19:10 Tom_itx and a nice shirt
19:10 lok is wearing ripped jeans and a ho
19:10 orlok and we have auditors in
19:10 Tom_itx go with that
19:12 theBear hehe
19:13 Tom_itx theBear, old gf not wanting to leave?
19:13 Tom_itx or
19:13 Tom_itx B) none of my GD business
19:14 rue_house I need a specrograph with a resolution of more than 50hz
19:15 theBear never even a girlfriend, 99% of our 'relationship' was err, that fancy word for friends
19:15 rue_house does make me wonder if I'm better off dieing single
19:16 rue_house theBear, have you seen the banding effect on static that vocal chords have?
19:17 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/voice16k.png
19:17 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/wisp16k.png
19:17 theBear ask me later... i gotta go
19:17 theBear wish me der luck
19:17 orlok good luck
19:17 rue_house good luck!
19:17 orlok dont piss off the judge person
19:17 theBear this is nice, wonder when i got a pinstripe suit
19:17 theBear heh, i'm a nice guy :)
19:18 theBear l8rs
19:18 Tom_itx wear a tophat and cane too
19:18 lok wonders is good quality rack rails (the ones with actual bearings) would be any good for an X/Y t
19:18 rue_house no
19:18 Tom_itx some have used kitchen cabinet rails
19:18 Tom_itx to each his own
19:20 rue_house heh, I havn't worked on this since 2003
19:20 Tom_itx why did you dig it up now?
19:21 rue_house heh
19:21 rue_house part of text to speech
19:22 rue_house back in 2005 I did my last work on the phonic engine
19:22 rue_house but the work goes back farther than that
19:22 m_itx gives rue_house a chip for
19:23 rue_house back in 2000 I imported the source from my dos machine
19:26 rue_house I cant trace if back from 2000, but I think the origional code was 1996
19:26 rue_house a russian chap helped with the phoetic core, as such it speaks with a russian accent
19:27 rue_house I failed to be able to put an audio front end on it
19:32 rue_house I wonder how many overlapping freqs it takes to become noise
20:15 rue_house I need an alternate keyboard while I do another overhaul on this one
20:22 rue_house my wav library kinda sucks
20:25 rue_house by double buffered I did NOT mean double* bufferD;
20:32 any38988542 yummy dead bird
21:37 e_house offers kat some stuf
21:39 rue_house strange, when i play A4 on my speakers, SOMETHING in my room resonates with it
21:44 tsmeow-afk is full up on marshmel
21:46 m_itx pokes katsmeow-afk to be
21:48 rue_house I dont know how to fix this kat
21:48 Tom_itx 440hz
21:49 rue_house yes
21:49 rue_house the only solution I can come up with to not upset kat is to not say anything when she's around
21:49 Tom_itx those resonating objects can be hard to locate
21:49 rue_house but I dont think that works
21:49 rue_house it sounds like something metal
21:49 rue_house it reverberates for a while
21:50 Tom_itx it will also vibrate at a harmonic of it
21:50 Tom_itx maybe not as much
21:50 katsmeow-afk the ac/heat ducts quacking
21:50 Tom_itx it could be anything
21:50 Tom_itx my experience is it is normally a hinge or picture on a wall or some decorative thing
21:51 m_itx considers rue_house's d
21:51 katsmeow-afk knick knacks knocking?
21:51 rue_house I worry when people avoid things i talk about
21:52 rue_house I once asked someone really chatty on a date to help me with my newyears res (no obligations) and never heard anything back
21:52 katsmeow-afk trailer windows are horrible for that, open them, lay in a bead of silicone, then close them on it, the side tracks too, the contact tween the windows too
21:52 rue_house were talking someone REALLY chatty
21:53 katsmeow-afk well, you were real chatty, 2 or 3 lines to my one, and you went even above that
21:53 Tom_itx annoyingly chatty?
21:53 katsmeow-afk yeas
21:54 m_itx levitates back to the c
21:54 katsmeow-afk if you got up to gove a speech, and noone in the room listened, and in fact chatted amongst themselves with their back to you, would you keep playing the fool and finish the speech?
21:55 katsmeow-afk i didn't
21:55 rue_house you made an error
21:55 rue_house they were listening
21:55 katsmeow-afk who were?
21:55 rue_house atleast the 3 of us who were awake
21:56 Tom_itx i thought it was done when the metal was severed
21:56 rue_house the other 6x are never there anyhow
21:56 katsmeow-afk no, you discussed marshmellows constantly
21:56 Tom_itx i was also very tired
21:56 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk do you ever snack whilst watching a good movie?
21:56 rue_house you been had by background noise
21:56 katsmeow-afk Tom yes, but i don't discuss the snack
21:57 katsmeow-afk and with a really good movie, i don't snack
21:57 Tom_itx there are few of those around
21:57 katsmeow-afk i didn't quaify, that's plain
21:58 Tom_itx i would snack whether it was good or bad
21:59 Tom_itx and what about the 60 some odd other lurkers
21:59 m_itx feels singled
22:00 katsmeow-afk i was including them, i assumed they ate and listened to rue
22:01 rue_house ok I'm ganging 16 freqs spaced 10hz apart from 1khz
22:01 tsmeow-afk puts marshmellows in her
22:06 rue_house 16 freqs chosen of random freq by humans dont make static
22:06 rue_house sounds like ufo tho
22:08 rue_house I'm gonna try 16 primes around 1000
22:09 rue_house wait, I'm gonna bump the freq first
22:11 tsmeow-afk stuff marshmellow into the spea
22:13 rue_house 32 freqs starts to sound fuzzy, but still like 32 whistles
22:14 katsmeow-afk because it's regular
22:14 katsmeow-afk look up the definition of noise, look up w"white noise" , "pink noise", and otehr colors
22:15 katsmeow-afk noise has no fixed tonal spectra, it's random slopetime and levels and iterations
22:16 rue_house the freq in noise are not randon
22:16 katsmeow-afk if you want noise, give a computer something stupid to do (run windoze), and hook a speaker to a databit line
22:17 rue_house no I need calculated sound thats percieved to humans as noise
22:17 katsmeow-afk tune an analog tv to a blank channel and playt he video thru the speaker
22:17 rue_house maybe its because the amplitude of my chorus is the same
22:17 katsmeow-afk good luck with that
22:18 katsmeow-afk get your chorus all tuned, and you'll have invented auto-muzak
22:18 rue_house I'm widening it to 64 across 300hz
22:18 rue_house I never knew noise could be this interesting
22:19 katsmeow-afk where are you geting 64 tones?
22:19 katsmeow-afk shrt, just getting a dir() is bogging the puter down badly
22:20 rue_house I made a program to overlap generateion of them in a buffer
22:21 rue_house I'm randomizing the amplitudes
22:21 katsmeow-afk ah, like chatter about marshmellows
22:23 rue_house nope
22:23 rue_house wow
22:23 rue_house ok, primary numbers
22:25 rue_house wow there aren't that many betwen even 1000 and 1400
22:35 rue_house ok spread is about 500hz wide
22:36 rue_house still sounds like a cricket convention
22:42 rue_house over 60 freqs, all prime, over 500hz and it still sounds like a bunch of crickets
22:43 tsmeow-afk sneaks into the lab late one nite and puts roller skates on PE
22:44 katsmeow-afk it happened int helab, late one nite, when my eyes beheld an awesom sight, the monster mash
22:44 tsmeow-afk eats marshmel
22:44 katsmeow-afk real marsh mallows taste horrible, btw
22:46 rue_house ok I hve some 240 prime freqs between 2000 and 2700 hz
22:48 rue_house heh, it took me 3Ghz machine 8 second to calculate
22:48 rue_house sounds kinda like a buzzsaw
22:50 katsmeow-afk i could be helpful and tell you how it was done on a C64
22:50 tsmeow-afk burns marshmellows ins
22:50 rue_house the problem is that I need to control the spectrum of the noise
22:54 katsmeow-afk make 3 osc, use #1 to control #3 voluem and #2 to control #3 pitch, repeat many times, store in a matrix,, now, randomly pick any pick any 3 from the matrixx, using #1 to control #3 volume and #2 to control #3 pitch, listen a bunnch of THAT and see if it isn't noise
23:05 rue_house ouch, ok
23:05 rue_house so the freq range is still controllable
23:05 rue_house k
23:08 theBear just make a hex inverter into 6 oscs and manualy tune to be sure they ain't syncing
23:08 rue_house no I have to control the spectrum
23:08 useless you fucking registered it ?
23:08 useless pfft
23:09 theBear don't ask, hear no evil
23:09 theBear pfft i'm goin back to bed
23:09 rue_house kat, your idea is good
23:09 rue_house I'm sure it will work
23:10 rue_house bit of a trick to control, but really doable
23:10 rue_house my comment was to bear
23:10 rue_house as a point of interest, the 240+ sample I just made
23:11 rue_house had a bunch of funny harmonics in it
23:11 rue_house so I filtered them out
23:11 rue_house and what I have is almost static
23:12 rue_house I'd play it for youm, but when you know
23:12 rue_house I want to try your method next
23:12 rue_house this one is a writeoff cause I have to postfilter it
23:13 rue_house theBear, how did quart go?
23:13 Tom_itx i think he took a pint and went to sleep
23:13 rue_house int freqTable[] = { 2003,2011,2017,2027,2029,2039,2053,2063,2069,2081,2083,2087,2089,2099,2111,2113,2129,2131,2137,2141,2143,2153,2161,2179,
23:13 rue_house 2203,2207,2213,2221,2237,2239,2243,2251,2267,2269,2273,2281,2287,2293,2297,2309,2311,2333,2339,2341,2347,2351,2357,2371,2377,2381,2383,2389,
23:13 rue_house 2393,2399,2411,2417,2423,2437,2441,2447,2459,2467,2473,2477,2503,2521,2531,2539,2543,2549,2551,2557,2579,2591,2593,2609,2617,2621,2633,2647,
23:13 rue_house 2657,2659,2663,2671,2677,2683,2687,2689,2693,2699,2707,2711,2713,2719,2729,2731,2741,2749,2753,2767,2777,2789,2791,2797,2801,2803,2819,2833,
23:13 rue_house 2837,2843,2851,2857,2861,2879,2887,2897,2903,2909,2917,2927,2939,2953,2957,2963,2969,2971,2999,3001,3011,3019,3023,3037,3041,3049,3061,3067,
23:13 rue_house 3079,3083,3089,3109,3119,3121,3137,3163,3167,3169,3181,3187,3191,3203,3209,3217,3221,3229,3251,3253,3257,3259,3271,3299,3301,3307,3313,3319,
23:13 rue_house 3323,3329,3331,3343,3347,3359,3361,3371,3373,3389,3391,3407,3413,3433,3449,3457,3461,3463,3467,3469,3491,3499,3511,3517,3527,3529,3533,3539,
23:13 rue_house 3541,3547,3557,3559,3571,3581,3583,3593,3607,3613,3617,3623,3631,3637,3643
23:14 rue_house };
23:14 rue_house but its got funny harmonics
23:14 Tom_itx that's a little ridiculous
23:14 rue_house yes
23:14 Tom_itx they make sites for stuff like that
23:15 rue_house no I need to generate it realtime
23:15 rue_house with controllable spectrum
23:15 rue_house kats method should require less oscillators
23:15 rue_house which is good, cause generating 2s of that many freq overlapped takes my 3G machine 8 seconds
23:27 katsmeow-afk use 10 avr, put 10 556 chips per avr
23:27 rue_house heh
23:27 rue_house cant use squarewave
23:27 rue_house I have to control the spectrum really well
23:29 rue_house FBI: YOUR DATA TAP IS RAPING MY BANDWIDTH, PLEASE USE A FASTER TAP.
23:30 rue_house on the reverse note kat, this is good, it means that a freq filter set of about 5 to 8 filters can be used to detect speech
23:33 katsmeow-afk use square waves
23:33 katsmeow-afk umm
23:33 katsmeow-afk i never said, till then, "use square waves"
23:33 katsmeow-afk damned FBI tap
23:33 rue_house square wave harmonics all over the place
23:34 rue_house I cant code up your thing tonight, I'm gonna play with FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF into the mic and see how it breaks down
23:34 rue_house maybe THTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHT
23:34 katsmeow-afk use a 567, it outputs a triangle, yo can use a few diodes to round it to a sine
23:34 rue_house and SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
23:34 rue_house hmm
23:35 rue_house between 1k and 3k, I wonder how many channels you can fit in a 567
23:35 katsmeow-afk drive a soft clipper with thetriangle, it will round over
23:35 tsmeow-afk slaps rue with marshmel
23:35 rue_house hmm 3db/decade prolly makes pretty tight
23:36 rue_house wait I wasn't 'pink string' was I? I swore it was red
23:36 katsmeow-afk <shrug>
23:36 katsmeow-afk it's always gonna be something, save time and give up now
23:37 rue_house are F TH and S the only constant static ones?
23:37 rue_house H
23:39 katsmeow-afk plosives are ofen noisey: P\
23:40 rue_house ok I got F TH S H, gonna compare spectrum
23:41 katsmeow-afk what are you using for a spectrum analizer?
23:42 rue_house sox
23:46 rue_house I dont know, aside from the entry that F and TH are different...
23:47 e_house awes at the spectrogram f
23:49 tsmeow-afk smears marshmellow all ove
23:50 rue_house H is quite different, its lower, and more banded
23:50 rue_house the others are almost solid from 1k-22khz
23:51 home rue_house: :o
23:51 home http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/ReuseumMakerFaireQuadrotor.JPG <<<
23:52 home how much do you think that would cost to make -minus the rc controller
23:52 home Birdee: <<<<< wants to make one
23:52 rue_house heh, everything but the motors, mtoor drivers, microcontroller and gyro right?
23:53 Birdee Home, yea I really do
23:53 home gyro = we have, mc =yes
23:53 home not sure about the motor drivers, or the motors
23:53 home or those bars
23:53 Birdee servo motors?
23:53 Birdee those can work too
23:53 Birdee i believe
23:54 home How does it tell altitude 0_0
23:54 rue_house kat there is a SLIGHT different in the balance of freqs between F TH and S
23:54 home Birdee: not sure :/ if we have those motors
23:54 home but they are servo, so cheap to come by
23:54 rue_house H is heavily banded around the 1khz mark
23:54 home maybe..
23:55 home I am not sure what the weight to lift ratio for that would be XD
23:55 Birdee loll
23:55 dunz0r Is it really servo motors though? Are they powerful enough?
23:55 dunz0r You need quite a few RPMs on a quad.
23:55 home duckinator: I don't think those are servo motors
23:56 katsmeow-afk you need rpms only if it uses small props
23:56 dunz0r katsmeow-afk; I don't think a servo motor can get the rpms you need even with big props, they're not strong enough.
23:57 home props = propellers ?
23:57 dunz0r Yes.
23:57 Birdee no shit sherlock...
23:58 home ...
23:58 Birdee lolllll
23:58 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/speech/F.png
23:58 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/speech/S.png
23:58 ace4016 a servo motor doesn't have a particularl speed or strength. unless you meant R/C servos, which aren't built for continuous spinning anyways
23:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/speech/TH.png
23:59 home ace4016: what kind of motors would do it :/
23:59 rue_house really subtle differences
23:59 rue_house and then there is http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/speech/H.png
23:59 ace4016 errr...forgot what they call them
23:59 rue_house verry different
23:59 dunz0r home; The quadcopters I've seen use brushless motors.