#robotics Logs

Aug 26 2012

01:03 rrywolf2 curls up on katsmeow-
01:03 tsmeow-afk looks
01:04 rrywolf2 guides katsmeow-afk to her favorite sleeping spot and tucks he
01:05 katsmeow-afk i can make everyting on my website, and more, but i cannot make friends, and online i cannot ask for help from people using the same software
01:07 katsmeow-afk there's no discernable reason for me to be on this planet, other than i can make things with my paws,,,, i can't share making them, i cannot share what i made
01:07 furrywolf2 you need to move somewhere else. :(
01:08 katsmeow-afk Mars?
01:08 katsmeow-afk the middle of the ocean?
01:09 furrywolf2 if you want to build a big enough boat to call it a city and anchor it in the middle of the ocean, I'd help with that. :P
01:10 katsmeow-afk define a city
01:10 furrywolf2 big enough to be self-sufficient (as much as possible, baring mined resources) for 100+ people?
01:11 katsmeow-afk i cannot buy that much material
01:11 furrywolf2 nor can I. :(
01:11 furrywolf2 I can buy cheap stuff at yard sales, and if I see a few million pounds of steel plate for $1, I'll certainly get it...
01:11 katsmeow-afk there's plenty already out there
01:12 katsmeow-afk at a minimum, one super-ship of some flavor goes down every year
01:12 katsmeow-afk often, 2 sink
01:12 katsmeow-afk many with their cargoes
01:13 katsmeow-afk i was in #seasteading for a while, if i didn't talk, no one did, and no one talked to me
01:13 katsmeow-afk or to each other
01:14 katsmeow-afk it's a lot like in here
01:14 rrywolf2 is really only good at curling up on people, so can't help in most conversation
01:17 furrywolf2 I don't have the energy to think about much lately.
01:18 katsmeow-afk i tried to help you, i posted what worked for me, i wasted my time doing that
01:19 furrywolf2 I eat plenty of protien. I don't like it, but it's what makes me feel best. :(
01:19 furrywolf2 I try to only eat beef and poultry... cows and chickens are both dumb, and don't seem to care much about life...
01:19 katsmeow-afk i had to combine the other things i listed too
01:20 rrywolf2 hates that poor fluffy things
01:20 tsmeow-afk has known cows and chic
01:51 rrywolf2 curls back up on katsmeow-afk for bed
02:46 rue_house kat...
02:51 katsmeow-afk rue
02:52 rue_bed do you have a windows 98 driver for an rtl8139 card?
02:52 rue_bed I dont know, maybe its an ne2000 card
02:53 katsmeow-afk i have no win98 anyting
02:53 rue_bed oh
02:53 rue_bed no origional floppies?
02:53 katsmeow-afk i used win95 till i got winexpee
02:53 katsmeow-afk nope
02:53 rue_bed hmm
02:53 katsmeow-afk NO WIN98
02:53 rue_bed ok
02:53 rue_bed thought you might still have floppies
02:54 katsmeow-afk the harddrive interfaces in it were horrible and caused data losses
02:54 katsmeow-afk how would i have floppies for an OS i never had??
02:54 rue_bed they put all kinda drivers on the floppies for the cards
02:54 rue_bed os2 dos, 95, 98
02:54 katsmeow-afk i am using the on-mobo video
02:55 rue_bed still needs drivers
02:55 tsmeow-afk does a damned hd search for ne
02:56 katsmeow-afk i never heard of it, never used it, never had win98, but i am searching this puter for that driver
02:56 katsmeow-afk you won't help me with Eagle
03:02 rue_bed if your ordering me not to then ok I suppose
03:02 katsmeow-afk Copyright = 2003 Ctr Electronics Ltd
03:03 katsmeow-afk Email = Ctrelectronics@ihug.co.nz
03:03 katsmeow-afk Comment = Ne2000 Ethernet Driver Rtl8019as Based Isa Pc Cards
03:03 rue_bed hmm, wonder what 8139 is
03:03 katsmeow-afk of course, i am not using that card, i don't have that card
03:03 rue_bed ok
03:03 rue_bed is common, you have a number of machines, I thought my odds were good
03:03 katsmeow-afk i am not ordering you to not do something, what are you talking about?
03:04 rue_bed you just told me that i'm not to help you with eagle
03:04 rue_bed <katsmeow-afk> you won't help me with Eagle
03:04 katsmeow-afk i have a lot of machines, most are still upstairs, i have not rebuilt Tiggr since i got back to Alafuckingbama
03:04 tsmeow-afk stops the hd search for the NE2000 dr
03:08 tsmeow-afk shrugs ,, no help to run Eagle, no schematic for the benc
03:09 katsmeow-afk As the EPA�s regulations stand, it is illegal to convert existing petrol-driven cars to run on ethanol or methanol, or even battery power. Doing so invalidates their emissions certificates.
03:09 katsmeow-afk Tesla Motors, an electric-car company based in Palo Alto, California, was fined $275,000 by the EPA because the emissions certificate of the vehicle its battery-powered roadster was based on (a featherweight Lotus Elise from Britain) had been invalidated by removing the source of those emissions and using a pollution-free electric drive instead.
03:12 rue_bed what?
03:12 dumbass *** katsmeow-afk is now known as dumbass
03:12 rue_bed they cant understand vehicles that DONT pollute?
03:13 rue_bed its 1am, can I help you with eagle in the morning?
03:13 dumbass i dunno if you can or not
03:13 dumbass bbl
12:58 furrywolf2 "The car stereo set broadcasts to convert the machine" "1. Check if the conect postrtion (side or front entry) if it is, skip to point5." ... "When done, aject this Adapior like any casserre."
13:01 rue_house litterally?
13:07 rue_house kat, your nametag fell off again
13:07 rue_house hey, thats whats missing, we were gonna go over eagle stuffs
13:08 rue_house I'm out to a trip to the landfull with some friends, I'll try to ping you when I get back
14:19 delinquentme I'm looking for novel ways to display readings on a potentiometer https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10595 << this one is kind of what im looking for .. anyone know of something similar??
14:22 furrywolf2 make your own?
14:24 furrywolf2 grrrr. why the fuck do companies "improve" their websites in ways that are invariably worse than what they had before? NAPA now has a site that uses a fuckload of javascript to do basic things, and no longer works.
14:26 furrywolf2 in order to get prices, you have to select a store. no matter if you enter a zip code or a city, state, it (with more javascript, of course) pops up a box containing nothing but what you just entered, and there's no way to do anything further other than reloading the page, which of course doesn't have a store selected.
14:27 furrywolf2 they're using tons of javascript that's utterly useless, and obviously didn't test it before putting it live.
14:28 furrywolf2 their css is all broken too, with things not lining up, text being covered by other objects, etc.
14:28 furrywolf2 they probably spent millions of dollars on it.
14:41 delinquentme furrywolf, are you browsing on IE?
15:59 -leguin.freenode.net:#robotics- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
16:01 chris_99 SCARA robots don't have a std. protocol do they
19:14 delinquentme https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10848
19:14 delinquentme FOUND IT
19:14 delinquentme thats the stepper with the threaded shaft that I had been looking for ... for the longest time
19:20 Tom_itx why do you need a threaded shaft?
22:03 rue_house wow, what a day
22:17 eadthem darn kat isnt on
22:17 eadthem someone able to explain how exactly a CAT tool holder works?
22:18 eadthem CAT or BT
22:21 Tom_itx she is here
22:21 Tom_itx you're not looking close enough
22:22 Tom_itx she lost her normal nametag
22:31 eadthem spacekitteh ?
22:32 eadthem no thats toronto
22:33 Tom_itx dumbass
22:33 eadthem ?
22:33 Tom_itx not you :D the nick...
22:33 eadthem ya i know
22:35 eadthem its funny thats the name i have on my phone for my brother
22:37 eadthem well katsmeow if your here, i have a question i know you will know. I hope that name beeps you because im not going to use your current name, its not fitting at all
22:59 dumbass .
23:15 rue_house power outage, no ups cause the damned bank has it
23:15 dumbass .
23:15 rue_house gave me a chance to fix the fan in my power supply
23:15 rue_house the one show I wanted to watch on tv this week isn't on when its uspposed to be
23:15 rue_house *arg*
23:16 rue_house I have to make supper and go to bed
23:16 rue_house one of the cats wont come in
23:16 dumbass .
23:16 rue_house *arg*
23:16 rue_house and kats broken again
23:17 rue_house and my hairdryer is broken again
23:21 eadthem kat how exactly dose a CAT or BT tool holder stay in the spindle?
23:21 eadthem is it vaccume magnetic or some sort of screw that goes in the top side?
23:23 dumbass scrrew
23:23 dumbass CAT is usa thread, BT is metric
23:23 eadthem so when it picks up the tool the screw in the spindle pulls it up and holds in place
23:23 dumbass there's an ST too, but you didn't ask about that :-)
23:24 dumbass yeas, and pushes it back out
23:24 eadthem and the taper itself + the tangs are all thats needed to keep it centerd
23:24 dumbass correct
23:24 dumbass using a thread as a centering mechanism is a really bad idea, hence tapers
23:25 dumbass i have seen older machines that did not push the holder out, the person operatng it used a mallet and a thin wedge after it unscrewed
23:26 Tom_itx oh, eadthem retention knobs
23:26 eadthem ive also seen that some use a pull stud
23:26 eadthem but i gather the newer machines dont
23:26 Tom_itx yes they do
23:26 mbass points to the thr
23:26 Tom_itx do use retention knobs that is
23:27 dumbass retention knobs are like blunt grub screws
23:27 eadthem as crazy as it sounds me and a frend are going to make a mill
23:27 Tom_itx andypugh in #linuxcnc made one using a 3 stage cylinder for his mill
23:27 eadthem we both need one nether of us or both of us can buy one
23:27 Tom_itx you should ask him to see his pics
23:27 eadthem the only part we havent sorted is the spindle assembly
23:28 dumbass if you have a mill or lathe, make them
23:28 Tom_itx you should ask him
23:28 eadthem i have a idea of how to mill the spindle
23:28 Tom_itx anyway, i'm off to sleep
23:28 dunz0r That's the problem with building your own mill. You need a mill to make it.
23:28 eadthem id have to have the outside surface turned for us
23:28 eadthem but the taper that can be done by the mill once the spindle is mounted
23:29 dumbass yeas
23:29 eadthem then the imdediate next step would be surfaceing the bed
23:30 dumbass squaring the ways the bed travels on
23:30 eadthem t channels
23:30 dumbass tilty-wise, to the spindle travel
23:30 dumbass so an end mill doesn't cut deeper on one side than the otehr
23:31 dumbass *then* surface the table
23:31 eadthem for the spindle motor im thinking about a 48V telco power supply running a ESC that we make at work and a outrunner RC brushless motor
23:31 dumbass i should shut up till i get some help i need
23:32 eadthem shuld be abel to have a 5 HP motor and controller
23:32 eadthem what help do you need?
23:32 dumbass golf cart motor
23:32 eadthem u or me>?
23:32 dumbass i need to know how to start a new project in Eagle
23:32 eadthem ooo
23:33 dumbass u, *i* got golf cart and forklift dc motors
23:33 eadthem pcb or schmatic or the works?
23:33 dumbass i cannot open a *new* project because Eagle isn'
23:33 dumbass t writing a new file, it's only opening existing ones
23:34 eadthem well if all you need is PCB i have a program with no limits thats better than eagle
23:35 eadthem if you like eagle give me a min ive used it before
23:35 eadthem hated every min but i did use it
23:35 rue_livingrm interesting, faulty network adapter that worked till there was a power outage
23:35 rue_livingrm on a laptop
23:35 dumbass does the new program do schematics>
23:35 dumbass ?
23:35 eadthem no you can use any spice or schmatic tool that will export a netlist
23:35 rue_livingrm kat, do you want to do schematics or pcb layout?
23:35 eadthem or you can hand enter the netlist (my prefferd method)
23:36 dumbass both, hence, Eagle
23:36 eadthem when you start eagle did it give you a project window thingy
23:36 dumbass nope, control panel
23:37 eadthem http://hereisyourneed.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/eagle71.png
23:37 eadthem ya
23:37 dumbass yeas, like that but less fancy
23:37 eadthem keep in mind unless you buy eagle it will have a limited board size
23:38 dumbass atm, it has no board size, because i cannot figure how to make a new project
23:38 dumbass and then open a file to make somethign in
23:38 eadthem can you post a screen shot of your window?
23:38 dumbass yeas
23:38 eadthem well i just thrue it out because it pisses off a lot of pepole when they put the last part on the board and discover that it dosent fit
23:40 dumbass http://designerthinking.com/EAD1.JPG
23:40 dumbass psu and new_project are both empty because it won't open a non-existant file to do stuff in
23:40 eadthem right clicking dose not yeald a drop down with new?
23:41 dumbass it does
23:41 dumbass how about you tell me hat steps to do, and i stop you when it breaks?
23:42 eadthem u shuld beable to go to new and then choose schmatic
23:42 dumbass if i do new - schematic , it pops up a nw window, but i can't do anything in it
23:43 dumbass now, how do i put a transistor where i want it?
23:43 rue_house ther eis a little icon on the left with a NAND gate
23:43 rue_house click that
23:43 GuShH or use the command line...
23:44 dumbass no nand gate, there's 1 AND, 2AND, and 3 AND icons
23:44 rue_house uh
23:44 eadthem the one by the delete icon
23:45 eadthem top right
23:45 rue_house if you hover the mouse over it says add part
23:45 eadthem http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/uploads/eagle_blankschematic.png
23:45 rue_house the AND icon
23:45 dumbass ok, i clicked on the AND that says "add part", and it popped up ANOTEHR window
23:45 rue_house the solo one
23:45 rue_house yes
23:45 GuShH dumbass: you can type "add" (without the quotes) on the command line, hit return... and that's it.
23:45 dumbass the new window is all blank
23:46 eadthem ya the upper left and icon that ahs the arrows flips the one below rotates
23:46 rue_house it should have a list of available parts, sorted rather badly
23:46 GuShH you need to have libraries in use
23:46 GuShH without in-use libraries, the list is going to be empty
23:46 rue_house it automatically incldes all libraries
23:46 dumbass there's 5 panels, all blank
23:46 GuShH so type "use" and select the ones you want.
23:46 dthem yealds to GuShH and rue_house because they most certanly know more about it tha
23:46 GuShH or click menu library -> use
23:46 rue_house kat, two of us are gonna confuse, you what do you want to do
23:46 ShH has been using eagle for years, s
23:47 eadthem like i said last time i used ti was collage about 2005
23:47 eadthem hated every min
23:47 GuShH don't do "open" because that opens the library for editing purposes.
23:47 rue_house kat did it list any part?
23:47 GuShH 40xx.lbr is 4000 series logic family, etc.
23:47 dumbass so eadthem and rue refuse to help, and i don't see GuShH saying anything, so i am back to pencel and paper
23:47 eadthem not refusing
23:47 GuShH because shes got me on ignore!!!!!!!
23:47 GuShH DAMN IT
23:48 eadthem unignore GuShH
23:48 dumbass [23:35] <dumbass> there's 5 panels, all blank
23:48 dumbass [23:35] <rue_house> kat did it list any part?
23:48 rue_house oh
23:48 rue_house kat, I'have 5 things going onnm, I'm not ignoring you
23:48 GuShH this is why I don't want to help anyone anymore, it's easier being an ass about it all.
23:48 rue_house my polling is just slow
23:48 ShH kicks the
23:48 rue_house ok you should have parts list window up, I just would like to know if its listing any parts
23:48 dumbass i am just the bottom of the list all the time, i understand, i'm worthless than anything else on the list
23:49 rue_house by default it should have included all the libraries
23:49 rue_house kat...
23:49 eadthem kat do you have gmail?
23:49 ShH oOoO ( Plus I can't help if they can't read
23:49 mbass takes a screen shot because "there's 5 panels, all blank" means not
23:49 rue_house ok, lets see
23:49 dumbass ead, no
23:49 eadthem darn they now have screen shareing
23:49 rue_house arg, I have to go burn supper
23:50 eadthem VNC but set it for view only?
23:50 dumbass http://designerthinking.com/EAD2.JPG
23:51 eadthem k that seams odd
23:51 GuShH show her this... http://pastebin.com/tcbq5Pap
23:51 dumbass hence, i asked for help
23:51 eadthem <GuShH> show her this... http://pastebin.com/tcbq5Pap
23:51 GuShH thanks
23:52 GuShH now I can go back at figuring out how to remove the carburetor on this engine
23:52 eadthem GuShH the drop down menu right?
23:52 GuShH because some asshole wants me to spend $30 on the service manual.
23:52 dumbass Library ?
23:52 GuShH 30 dollars! it's a pdf!
23:52 mbass unignored G
23:52 eadthem kat the drop down menu bottom left
23:52 eadthem dose that offer options?
23:53 GuShH hi dumbass.
23:53 dumbass what window?
23:53 dumbass hi GuShH
23:53 eadthem http://designerthinking.com/EAD2.JPG
23:53 dumbass i closed it, hold on...
23:53 eadthem oooo
23:53 eadthem http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/uploads/eagle_blankschematic.png
23:53 GuShH the drop-down over there is for auto-complete, it stores the search queries as you input them.
23:53 dumbass GuShH said that window was for editing the libs, i didn't want to do that
23:53 eadthem kat that blue highlited area is the command line
23:53 GuShH no, that's not what I said
23:54 eadthem type use hit enter
23:54 GuShH if you do library->open, then you edit the selected library. if you use library->use, it goes "in use" and you'll be able to select the parts.
23:54 dumbass 7.[01:36] GuShH: don't do "open" because that opens the library for editing purposes.
23:54 GuShH command "use" does just that, opens a file dialog. command "add" just lets you add parts from the in-use libraries.
23:55 GuShH I don't use the commands, but I happen to know them sometimes it's easier than using the interface though.
23:55 eadthem kat i think what it dose is it prevents you from using librarys your not aware of
23:55 dumbass i see no blue highlited area
23:55 eadthem higlited in the screen shot http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/uploads/eagle_blankschematic.png
23:55 GuShH problem with having "all" libraries in use is they take resources and quite some processing power to enumerate all the data (now they're using xml...)
23:55 GuShH on eadthem's pic that's the command-line input
23:56 eadthem for the record i do not have a mac :p
23:56 GuShH lol
23:56 dumbass problem with command line is one needs to know beforepaw all the stuff available
23:56 eadthem ya
23:56 GuShH command "move" is the same as clicking the 4 arrow icon
23:56 GuShH to move a part.
23:56 dumbass so where is it listed?
23:56 eadthem F1 maby
23:57 eadthem i dont have the program installed im relying on memorys that torture me :p and logic
23:57 GuShH the actual tooltip when you hover onto an icon happens to be the command, oftenly.
23:57 eadthem so what i say probably differs from what you see slightly
23:57 dumbass i am no further now than i was last nite
23:57 eadthem u have 3 pepole here helping
23:57 GuShH F1 will get you the help, "editor commands" lists the keywords
23:58 dumbass 3?
23:58 GuShH as well as the command syntax rules
23:58 dumbass are you saying Eagle is no longer a gui interface?
23:58 GuShH it is.
23:58 GuShH you have many ways of doing the same work
23:58 dumbass then why will i be typing n command lines?
23:58 eadthem so kat type use hit enter , choose some librarys and then you will be able to place parts from those librarys
23:59 GuShH dumbass: when someone can't find the icon it's easier to tell them "type this"
23:59 GuShH rather than taking a screenshot, highlighting the icon, uploading it, waiting, sending them the link.
23:59 eadthem because some pepole preffer to type to do things
23:59 GuShH well, that to.
23:59 GuShH too*
23:59 eadthem ie VIM users
23:59 eadthem :p
23:59 dumbass there's "Use" under the "Library" tab in the top menu, what's that about?
23:59 eadthem same thing