#robotics Logs
Aug 20 2012
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00:32 katsmeow-afk oh
00:33 rue_house I have a flourescent lamp on it, see if I can catch it going out
00:34 katsmeow-afk simple: a photocell holding a relay in, controlling a clock, if you set he clock to 12:00 as you turn ont he lite, the clock will point tothe hr:min the lite when out
00:35 katsmeow-afk The Calvin Klein company trademarked the term technosexual in 2005.[4]
00:38 tsmeow-afk is surprised it is trademarked by a company making pants,, so praps the pants have something extra in them?
01:45 GuShH_ assholes! I tracked the number down, these are brake rotors are for a friggin audi tt quattro!!!
01:49 rue_bed and you have a what?
01:53 rue_bed I was getting too tired too fast, so I had some tea
01:54 rue_bed now I cant sleep
01:54 rue_bed oops
01:54 rue_bed maybe a coding problem
01:54 rue_bed lets see, whats the polar formula for a circle
01:54 rue_bed fn(t) = r
01:54 rue_bed ok, awake enough for that one
01:54 GuShH_ rue_bed: jetta 2005
01:55 GuShH_ the pads are the same... the rotors/discs aren't.
01:55 GuShH_ rue_bed: not my car, my brother's...
01:55 rue_bed well there, they just got jetta mixed up with an audi, happens all the time I'm sure
01:55 GuShH_ same parts for most of it.
01:55 GuShH_ I see the audi logo in all of the brake assembly
01:55 GuShH_ even the battery cover
01:55 rue_bed oh good, you can still drive to the shop to abuse them with the wrong parts
01:56 GuShH_ the parts are mixed by a single letter being off
01:56 GuShH_ D vs P
01:56 rue_bed ah,
01:56 rue_bed maybe they didn't do too good in school
01:56 rue_bed they weren't learned gooder
01:56 GuShH_ lol
01:56 rue_bed so, whats the formula for an elipse, in polar
01:57 rue_bed it would be something like r1+rd*sin(theta)
01:57 rue_bed where rd is the difference between the minor and major radii
01:57 rue_bed or would it be 2*theta
01:58 rue_bed has to peak twice in a rotation
01:58 rue_bed and r1 is the .. wait
01:58 rue_bed r1 would be the mean radius
03:03 GuShH_ rue_bed: numbers were 1J0615601P vs 1J0615601D
03:03 GuShH_ human error....
03:04 GuShH_ or human stupidity, your pick.
09:20 rue_house http://hackaday.com/2012/08/17/inventor-of-the-555-timer-passes-away/
09:24 DagoRed I saw that :(
09:24 furrywolf I'm still annoyed at garry kasparov being arrested and beaten, speaking of unpleasant news...
09:25 furrywolf brb
09:25 DagoRed I didn't hear about hat.
09:25 DagoRed *that
09:27 chris_99 isn't he accused of biting a policeman furrywolf?
09:36 furrywolf chris_99: he's accused of it, but there's no evidence he did it, including cell phone videos of the whole thing.
09:37 furrywolf http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8416
09:54 katsmeow-afk he protested the imprisonment of that band, i suspect everyone who did is being harrassed and/or arrested
09:54 furrywolf yep
09:55 katsmeow-afk i would say "that's russia for you", but after what rue said about killing kids last week, there's been a steady procession of gov vehicles stopping at my driveway, including one this morning
09:56 LoRez katsmeow-afk: perhaps you should use SSL to connect to IRC if you're that paranoid
09:56 katsmeow-afk paranoid? the damned truck was there with blue gov plates on it this morning
09:57 LoRez I haven't had such visits.
09:57 katsmeow-afk besides, it doesn't matter if my feed off the server is encrypted when all the traffic to the building each server is in is tapped
09:57 katsmeow-afk of course *you* didn't, you haven't had the legal troubles i have had with neighbors
10:02 rrywolf curls up next to katsmeow-
10:02 tsmeow-afk leans on f
10:02 furrywolf :)
10:03 tsmeow-afk added more text to http://designerthinking.com/broken-tap-hole.html last
10:03 sw0rdfish quantum physics is interestinggggggggg
10:03 furrywolf oh yeah, I asked if you'd ever tried the tap dissolved stuff... I've heard good things about it, but I've never used it.
10:03 furrywolf dissolver
10:03 katsmeow-afk i neard of it, never seen it, think it's vaporware
10:04 katsmeow-afk besides, a few cycles of the spring punch, and it was out
10:04 katsmeow-afk this piece of alum was pretty thin
10:08 furrywolf http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/f25/dissolving-broken-tap-aluminum-brass-233/ DIY with alum. http://www.chemical-supermarket.com/Tap-X-Broken-Tap-Removal-Kit-p574.html commercial product that works with other metals.
10:08 katsmeow-afk k
10:09 katsmeow-afk lets say i am making a bondo piston to fit 2" pvc pipe, got any ideas on sealing it against 50psi water, and the bondo not being grabby at the pvc?
10:11 furrywolf grease the pipe, cast your piston, remove it, turn some grooves in it, use O-rings?
10:12 katsmeow-afk i found resins like that stuff stick thru grease and il, i was gonna use some thin plastic wrap
10:13 furrywolf I've never tried with bondo... it works with jbweld. :)
10:14 furrywolf easy broken thread fix... grease a screw, cover it with jbweld, fill hole with jbweld, put screw in hole, wait, unscrew screw. leaves behind perfect threads every time.
10:15 furrywolf last time I had a broken tap, I ended up drilling it out with a carbide masonry bit. sucked, but worked.
10:16 furrywolf lol! "I'm feeling more at home here by the minute! It's good to know that there are others here with draws full of odd shaped pieces of brass festooned with the remnants of broken off taps sticking out like a hedgehog!"
10:16 katsmeow-afk heh
10:17 katsmeow-afk here's how to install a hole centered thru 3" pvc : http://designerthinking.com/images/lilboattrailer/rear%20roller%20,%20foamed.jpg and then dig out 1/2 inch of the foam and apply bondo so it looks like http://designerthinking.com/images/lilboattrailer/rear%20roller%20assy.jpg
10:17 katsmeow-afk why'd i do that? because i wanted tall rollers, and no one made any for under $100 each
10:18 furrywolf heh
10:18 katsmeow-afk i didn't foam the entire 2ft of roller, just enough to back the application of bondo
10:19 furrywolf so it's air in the middle, then foam, then bondo? will it crack when shock loaded?
10:20 katsmeow-afk not in the middle
10:20 katsmeow-afk well, yeas, in the middle, i guess
10:21 katsmeow-afk foam at both ends, held it in place, and if you don't use the can of foam it seals itself in the can and you can't use it anyhow
10:21 furrywolf yeah, those cans are single-use-only.
10:21 katsmeow-afk so i had an open can of the stuff, and it seemed a good idea to hold it however i had set it up
10:22 katsmeow-afk how to weld a pin thru a plastic store-bought plastic roller , and not melt it : http://designerthinking.com/images/lilboattrailer/welding%20small%20rollers%20in%20water.jpg
10:23 furrywolf heh
10:25 furrywolf last night I was working on my new car, fixing the release for the fuel door... the bowden cable had a plastic snap-in clip on it, which broke, so the housing moved, not the actual cable. I got out my mill, cut a slot in the end of a piece of 1" by 1/8" aluminum strip, drilled a hole a quarter inch from the slot, then cut it a quarter inch past that. tapped the hole for 10-24.
10:25 katsmeow-afk i put a lot of work into that lil boat and trailer, and lost the boat and all the trailer-stuff specifically for the boat : http://designerthinking.com/liltrailer.html
10:25 furrywolf drilled a matching hole in the bracket the cable went on, then used it to clamp the cable in from the back.
10:25 katsmeow-afk why aluminum?
10:26 furrywolf it's what I had handy, and easy to mill.
10:26 katsmeow-afk sturdy enough?
10:26 furrywolf way overkill.
10:26 katsmeow-afk k
10:26 furrywolf plan A was to use plumber's tape and zip ties. :)
10:27 katsmeow-afk heh
10:28 furrywolf the end of the cable had a flange then two snaps that went through a hole in the bracket... like ======|:-, where = is the housing, | is the flange, : is a pair of snaps, and - is the center cable. the snaps (:) broke off, so the housing could push backwards. with the slotted piece of aluminum around the flange, I clamped the flange against the bracket, doing the job of the little plastic snaps.
10:29 furrywolf haven't used my mill in a while... it BADLY needs to be taken apart and re-greased. was having to force the handwheels the whole time.
10:33 furrywolf I could have done it with a hacksaw and pliers, but I figured a mill would do it nicer. :)
10:34 katsmeow-afk prolly would
10:35 katsmeow-afk i daresay my heatsinks came out nicely for using a hacksaw on them, and the holes all nicely lined up for using a $90 drill press
10:35 furrywolf only broke one endmill, too! #$@$@#! was arguing with the sticking slides when it suddenly jumped.
10:36 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2889m.jpg
10:37 furrywolf shiny
10:37 furrywolf all in parallel, or isolated-tab parts?
10:37 katsmeow-afk hacksawed allt he fins down to same length : http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/s/DSCF2718s.jpg
10:38 katsmeow-afk 2x four in parallel, resistors on base and emitters
10:38 furrywolf I mean, I don't see any insulators... or was that just mocking it up for the photo?
10:38 katsmeow-afk 4) TIP35C , 4) TIP36C
10:38 katsmeow-afk what insulators?
10:39 furrywolf isn't the tab usually connected to the center pin on most to220 parts?
10:40 katsmeow-afk i will be tieing all the collectors togther electrically anyhow, and the tabs are the collectors, so why insulate them? the output cicrcuit is partially this idea : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sziklai_pair
10:40 katsmeow-afk they aren't TO-220
10:41 furrywolf 247? the big ones?
10:41 katsmeow-afk yeas, 247
10:41 katsmeow-afk they call it something else now tho
10:42 furrywolf just making sure you're not shorting random things together through the heatsink. I've done that. it sucks. :)
10:42 katsmeow-afk i bet
10:43 katsmeow-afk making it a Sziklai output stage gives me some gain , common collectors, don't need any insulators tweent he power outputs and the heatsink, saves time-money-work, and makes better heat dissipation
10:44 furrywolf you might want to double check there's no connection between the tab and any of the leads unless the datasheet explicitly says there isn't.
10:44 katsmeow-afk the wiki article shows the technically correct 2-transistor design, but i am borrowing from the idea of a darlington as one of those two, and making it a 3-transistor design
10:44 furrywolf oh, you're tieing them together. duh.
10:45 katsmeow-afk i know there IS a connection, so what?
10:45 furrywolf just make sure to mount the heatsink so it doesn't touch anything. :)
10:45 katsmeow-afk right
10:45 rrywolf is half asleep. fucking neighbor blasted the tv all fucking night ag
10:45 katsmeow-afk mounting them all to copper-less FR4
10:46 katsmeow-afk "Like the Darlington, it can saturate only to 0.6V, which is a drawback for high-power stages.
10:46 katsmeow-afk "
10:46 furrywolf last time I had to mount isolated heatsinks was the new diodes I put in my battery charger... it's a 60A charger, so I used a full bridge of 150A diodes. but the diodes were stud mount to the heatsinks, so I had to mount them with nylon bolts on nylon spacers...
10:47 katsmeow-afk which is part of the reason i am adding the 3rd transistor: i can saturate the outputs by pulling the base to the opposite +/- buss
10:47 katsmeow-afk seriously??
10:47 tsmeow-afk has a picture for that
10:48 katsmeow-afk diode mounting : http://designerthinking.com/arcwelder.html
10:48 furrywolf the original selenium stacks died long ago, and the previous owner put in 30A diodes, in theory enough for the 60A rating... and it worked for a decade or so. but I blew them, and decided overkill was the proper solution. :)
10:49 furrywolf heh, I got my diodes from the mud at the local scrapyard too!
10:49 furrywolf was a big 3-phase rectifier out of something.
10:49 katsmeow-afk of course, i got handfulls of those Sanrex diodes for like $5 *total*
10:50 furrywolf I used four of the six diodes, then tied the remaining two across the output for some extra reverse-connection protection, to make sure it trips the circuit breaker before blowing the diodes.
10:51 furrywolf the windings in my battery charger are significantly thicker than the ones in the snap-on welder I bought, and copper instead of alu....
10:52 furrywolf the welder uses 8 little button diodes, with virtually no heatsinking whatsoever.
10:52 katsmeow-afk yeas, it botehrs me the amount of alum people are using in electrical stuff
10:52 furrywolf the only heatsinking is a 2"-ish square bit of aluminum sheet, connected only by pressure against one end of the button diodes.
10:54 katsmeow-afk my wirefeed was that way, it was a pos
10:54 furrywolf http://www.cnelectr.com/diodes/ar.jpg each half of the bridge is four of those, at the corners of the 2" square of aluminum, with a piece of fiberglass with rivets on the other side. paralleling diodes is bad. heatsinking through bare, spring-only pressure points is bad. a little 2" square of aluminum is not a good heatsink. gee, I wonder why it needs new diodes?
10:54 katsmeow-afk alum windings, button diodes spring loaded on a miniscule plate heatsink, etc
10:54 furrywolf yep
10:55 furrywolf and it's a Snap-On, too.
10:55 katsmeow-afk i yanked the transformer and diodes, make connectons to attach my big growl box as the arc power , works lots better
10:57 furrywolf if I had the power, I'd set up my big welder... I have a http://www.millerwelds.com/products/stick/dialarc_250_ac_dc/ and a http://www.millerwelds.com/products/wire_feeders/s-32s_series/ to go with it.
10:58 furrywolf needs a dedicated 240V, 150A circuit. my solar system does not provide this. :)
10:58 katsmeow-afk too pricey for me
10:58 furrywolf heh, I got them scrap.
10:58 katsmeow-afk what you do is wire up an instant automagic on-off genny to make the power
10:59 furrywolf I haven't tested the power unit, but a visual inspection shows the transformers look like they've never even gotten warm, and all the other bits are cheap.
10:59 furrywolf the wire feeder I had to reverse-engineer, and tracked the problem down to a bad optocoupler. works great after soldering in a new one.
10:59 katsmeow-afk it's 360lbs? your trailer floor won't hold it
10:59 furrywolf more like 460lbs.
10:59 katsmeow-afk damn
11:00 furrywolf the power unit may well work... they shut down the auto shop program at one of the local high schools, and I bought many of the things left in the shop, including two of those welders.
11:00 furrywolf the wire feeder I got for $20 from the local scrapyard, and repaired.
11:00 katsmeow-afk mine is the 1980's version of this (i bought it new) : http://www.millerwelds.com/products/stick/product.php?model=M16100
11:01 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLER-THUNDERBOLT-AC-DC-WELDER-230-AMP-EXTRAS-miller-welding-/170896416837
11:01 furrywolf I got two welders, two brake lathes, and a bunch of engine rebuilding tools, like a valve grinder, valve seat grinder, etc.
11:02 furrywolf they shut down the auto shop program so the pottery teacher could take over the building and plug his kilns into the big outlets for the welders.
11:02 furrywolf because we all know pottery will help these kids later in life.
11:02 katsmeow-afk those damned connectors for weld cables at the front will burn thru the alum flat wire , melt the plastic housings, etc etc etc
11:03 furrywolf oh, and a tire machine and tire balancer. the tire machine, sadly, was lost when a friend's house burnt down. :(
11:04 katsmeow-afk i also removed the main 240vac wiring fromt he on-off switch, and use a 24vac system to pull in a big nema something contactor, this lets me leave on the 240vac power to run the fan etc
11:05 furrywolf I'm planning on replacing the miller connectors on my welder with standard camlock ones... got a big stack of camlock connectors at the scrapyard for brass value, and I don't have the mates for the ones on the front of the welder...
11:06 katsmeow-afk keep in mild, if those weld cable connectors ever get dirty and arc, they've welded themselves together
11:06 katsmeow-afk mld
11:06 katsmeow-afk erg
11:06 katsmeow-afk i got stuff on my lil mind
11:06 furrywolf heh
11:07 furrywolf the camlocks seem like a much better connecter than the miller pin ones.
11:07 katsmeow-afk need to go do things irl :-(
11:07 katsmeow-afk i've used camlocks on big 240vac generators, not on arc welders
11:07 katsmeow-afk bbl
11:08 furrywolf cyas
11:10 furrywolf http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_673_2034&products_id=9170&zenid=22drti924ia1240vm14rl1lkh1 got a big bag of those, going to use them for everything.
11:12 furrywolf just pop out the stock plugs, run some 2/0 pigtails out the front of the welder with grommets.
12:28 katsmeow-afk furry: lmao : check out the price : http://www.ebay.com/itm/390103637305
12:48 katsmeow-afk i dunno what is scarier, that google reports 4,710,000 results for (advanced search parms used) "Curiousity" , or the identity of the sites that cannot spell (or run a spell checker)
19:58 rue_house see if I can recover the windows machine
19:59 rue_house remember the cr*pcam? well this machine has all those old images
20:00 rue_house I wonder how I reload the mbr onto it
20:20 Tom_itx rue_house, fdisk /mbr to recover from a dual boot system
20:23 theBear pfft, grub -> root (hd0,0) -> setup (hd0) you mean
20:23 theBear oh, i misread the ACTUAL question, what you said to reload a ms mbr
20:23 theBear but to recover from dualboot, do what i say, and take an option out of grub.conf :)
20:24 theBear kinda looking forward to playing with grub2 ... it does all kinds of stuff like load directly from iso images and floppy images (without the screwing around) etc etc
20:24 GuShH etc etc? wow!
20:25 theBear can hide and unhide partitions at boot time to make 'silly' os's not grumpy
20:25 theBear hehe
20:25 theBear iso loading is the big one in my eyes, makes something like keeping a livecd image around for various things very easy
20:26 rue_house but I cant run widnows to run mb
20:26 rue_house r
20:26 theBear for example this little machine on the desk next to me with no box, it's only got 4gb cf AND no wired net, so it's handy to have a built in bootcd so i can just rsync over an updated fs instead of upgrading at low proc speedss
20:26 theBear rue_house, bootdisk.com win98se
20:26 rue_house cool
20:27 theBear pretty sure they got a cd image if ya need that instead too
20:29 Tom_itx rue_house, remember that recovery cd i gave you?
20:35 theBear apparently not <grin>
20:36 Tom_itx he found a butterfly
20:36 theBear hehehe
20:37 theBear hmm.... tax form, modicum of small tools, i think i just about ready for work
20:37 katsmeow-afk The Pre-cooler designed for the SABRE engine displaces 400 Mega-Watts of heat energy (equivalent to the power output of a typical gas-powered power station) yet weighs less than 1¼ tonnes.
20:38 rue_house the machine doing the recovery locked up, its going again
20:38 katsmeow-afk The first successful manufacturing research was during a PhD at Bristol University in the 1990s. It successfully cooled air from over 900°C and achieved nearly 1 GW/m³ power exchange.
20:38 katsmeow-afk nearly 1 GW/m³
20:39 rue_house thats enough to heat a town while lighting it
20:39 katsmeow-afk yeas
20:40 katsmeow-afk This demonstration Pre-cooler includes over 50km of heat exchanger tubing for a weight penalty of less than 50 kg and drops the air temperature to minus 150°C in 20 milliseconds.
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> 39.25 foot*lbs
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> if your water is, say 10gpm
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> 18.849 cubic inches
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> 122.55 strokes/min
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> or 122.55rpm at 39.25 foot*lbs
20:48 rue_house <rue_house> katsmeow-afk, whats the horsepower?
20:49 rue_house 2" pipe, 3" stroke
20:50 katsmeow-afk i thought you has all those formulas in your irc client somwhere
20:50 rue_house no, lbs are not a proper force measure for it, its hard to get around
20:52 rue_house aha, inch-lbs*rpm/63025
20:52 katsmeow-afk somewhere around 8hp
20:53 katsmeow-afk no, that's wrong
20:53 katsmeow-afk 500rpm @ 31 ft-lbs = 3hp, so 1/4 the rpm = 3/4 hp
20:53 rue_house 52.33 * 122.55/63025
20:54 rue_house .1 HP is my answer
20:54 rue_house thats at a full backpressure of 50psi too
20:54 rue_house oh well
20:55 katsmeow-afk what was on your mind?
20:56 katsmeow-afk Would you want your Honda Civic to have 400 lb-ft of torque in 1st gear but only be able to go 8 mph in that gear?
20:57 rue_house they way people drive around here you would still be on the brake half the time
20:57 rue_house fogies and tourists
20:58 katsmeow-afk what was on your mind about the hp questions??
20:58 rue_house I was wondering how good a motor it would make
20:58 rue_house the answer is "a motor good enough to turn a kitchen vent fan - small"
20:59 katsmeow-afk "it" ?
20:59 rue_house 2" bore, 6" stroke 50psi @ 10gpm
20:59 katsmeow-afk oh
20:59 rue_house answer seems to be 52.33 inch-lbs 122.55 rpm 0.1 HP
21:02 rue_house it looked for a second like it would be something significant
21:02 katsmeow-afk i can't help but think you are not taking advantgae of the pressure vs volume
21:02 rue_house 10gpm was a random ballpark
21:03 katsmeow-afk well, it takes a lot more power to pump 10gpm at 50psi
21:03 rue_house hmm
21:04 rue_house wonder why that didn't work out
21:04 rue_house 10*50/1714
21:04 rue_house You have: 10*50/1714
21:04 rue_house You want:
21:04 rue_house Definition: 0.29171529
21:05 rue_house .3hp
21:06 rue_house hmm I think a lot of the windows/system files were corrupt in the crash
21:07 rue_house netapi.dll, thats not important, right? :)
21:07 rue_house ndis.vxd
21:13 rue_house WINDOWS/SYSTEM/IR41_32.AX <-- and what IS that anyhow?
21:13 rue_house desk.cpl, hmmm
21:15 katsmeow-afk http://support.microsoft.com/kb/954157
21:16 katsmeow-afk Microsoft Security Advisory: Vulnerabilities in the Indeo codec could allow remote code execution: December 8, 2009
21:16 katsmeow-afk the fix is worse:
21:16 katsmeow-afk Warning This workaround may make a computer or a network more vulnerable to attack by malicious users or by malicious software such as viruses. We do not recommend this workaround
21:17 rue_house ah, so its a video codec, ok
21:18 rue_house reading `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/OOBE/IMAGES/START.JPG': Input/output error
21:18 rue_house hehe
21:19 rue_house WINDOWS/SYSTEM/USP10.DLL
21:21 katsmeow-afk i still say ditch win98, use win95B if you can get all the patches, or use winxp if you can get sp1 and etc
21:22 rue_house WINDOWS/SYSTEM/WEBCHECK.DLL
21:22 furrywolf yay! possible progress on the idiot neighbor front.
21:22 furrywolf someone, presumably my landlord, reclaimed the panels she stole from my landlord.
21:22 rue_house I think I can prolly hand pick replacements of the corrupted files, it wasn't 98's fault, there was a headcrash
21:22 furrywolf I wish I was around, would have helped him...
21:24 rue_house WINDOWS/SYSTEM/CRYPTEXT.DLL
21:24 rue_house wonder if thats for passwords
21:24 katsmeow-afk but 98 wasn't reliable in it's filesystem, and you're having troubles in it,s (what?) filesystem
21:24 rue_house because of a head crash
21:24 katsmeow-afk you examined the head and platters for crash evidence?
21:24 rue_house I tipped the machine sideways and upside down, gave it a smack to try to get the processor fan to SHUT UP
21:25 katsmeow-afk oh
21:25 rue_house cause it was moooooooo ing
21:25 rue_house mooooomoooooooo mmmmmmmMMmmmmMMMMmmmoooooooooOOOOOoooooOOoOooOoooo mmmmmMMMMMmmmMmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMmOOOOOOooOooooooOOOOo
21:26 rue_house in hindsight, I dont think I regret doing it
21:26 katsmeow-afk i got several like that
21:26 rue_house throwing it across the room would have been an equally acceptable solution
21:27 katsmeow-afk best way to get arund that is to power down, stick a wire into the fan blades, and tape a 2nd fan over the dead fan, plugged into a spare floppy/hd/cd pwr connector
21:29 rue_house hmm, you have a point, I have some mini 24V squirrel cage fans
21:29 rue_house its only a p2
21:29 furrywolf I need to go talk to him again... I'm hoping this means he's throwing her out, and agrees that removing her power is a good step.
21:30 rue_house furrywolf, your current cells are bolted and locked down?
21:30 furrywolf yes
21:30 katsmeow-afk and she cannot reach them with a pointy steel rod?
21:31 furrywolf I don't think she owns anything steel. she could throw rocks at them...
21:32 furrywolf I think she knows I'll crush her head in if she did that, however.
21:32 katsmeow-afk weel, if she throws septic tank effluent onto them, wash it off before it hardens
22:03 furrywolf how hard is it to use a pc, with bluetooth adapter, to get/send audio from a cell phone?
22:24 katsmeow-afk Poquoson, VA , Double Wide Trailer, GE Capital Modular, approximately 24'x 60', (2) Bard wall mounted heating and air conditioning units, $100 , Auction Ends Aug 21, 2012 9:00:00 AM MDT
23:09 rrywolf curls up next to katsmeow-afk and y
23:30 rue_house every second file on the windows drive is damaged
23:30 rue_house this is prolly hopeless
23:30 rue_house cp: reading `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/msexch40.dll': Input/output error
23:30 rue_house `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/PRECOPY' -> `sda1/sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/PRECOPY'
23:30 rue_house `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/PRECOPY/SP2.CAB' -> `sda1/sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/PRECOPY/SP2.CAB'
23:30 rue_house cp: reading `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/PRECOPY/SP2.CAB': Input/output error
23:30 rue_house `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/MSHTMLED.DLL' -> `sda1/sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/MSHTMLED.DLL'
23:30 rue_house cp: reading `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/MSHTMLED.DLL': Input/output error
23:30 rue_house `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/MSHTMLER.DLL' -> `sda1/sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/MSHTMLER.DLL'
23:30 rue_house `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/ICONLIB.DLL' -> `sda1/sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/ICONLIB.DLL'
23:31 rue_house cp: reading `sdb1/WINDOWS/SYSTEM/ICONLIB.DLL': Input/output error
23:33 furrywolf if it's mechanical, use ddrescue
23:33 furrywolf rather than trying to copy
23:33 furrywolf and do NOT fsck (or the windows equivalents) before ddrescue.
23:55 rrywolf curls up on katsmeow-afk for bed
23:57 tsmeow-afk exh
23:58 katsmeow-afk looking thru history, i got the 3500HD home this month last yr, to move to Fla, and now i am still here, been to Fla, and have little use for such a big truck
23:58 rue_house can you get a descent price for it?
23:59 katsmeow-afk er, got it hole 1st week in Sept, bought it 1 yr ago this month
23:59 katsmeow-afk no
23:59 furrywolf bbl