#robotics Logs

Jun 18 2012

00:03 GuShH any48321706: the heatsinks :p
00:05 any48321706 no, i did not make the heatsinks int he left-most pic
00:06 rue_mohr i thoguht tom had his driver modules mounted to his heatsink
00:06 rue_mohr I worried, I think I'm getting dumb
00:07 rue_mohr smart is knowing not to stick your finger in a live lightsocket, wise is knowing it hurt last time
00:08 any48321706 what if you carefully document the last time, and forgot to read it before doing it a 2nd time?
00:09 rue_mohr you wouldn't be smart or wise
00:09 any48321706 o
00:09 y48321706 makes a note to not do it that way a
00:09 rue_mohr I built all this stuff around me to facilitate being smart enough to use it
00:10 rue_mohr the tools I needed to do whatever I wanted
00:10 rue_mohr damned if I think I'm losing the want
00:10 rue_mohr I dont know what I do want tho
00:10 rue_mohr I'v given myself direction I dont know if has use for me
00:11 rue_mohr like a druggie knowing drugs are bad for them and taking them anyhow
00:11 rue_mohr you guys are supposed to be the ones I can bounce ideas off to get the feedback I need
00:11 rue_mohr but
00:11 any48321706 throw out an idea!
00:11 rue_mohr I need to want to do the things I do to do them
00:12 rue_mohr maybe I miss people to do things with
00:12 rue_mohr to be there to smile and laugh as I joke about connecting a battery backwards
00:12 any48321706 i've been that way a while now, but i think it's more that i now believe humans are put on this planet to screw me up
00:13 rue_mohr see why I need to find a partner into this stuff?
00:13 rue_mohr but I dont know if it would save or destroy me
00:14 any48321706 it would destroy me, i can't trust any more
00:14 e_mohr turns up the music to drown out his thou
00:15 any48321706 see, perfect example, with a partner, you cannot do that
00:15 rue_mohr or maybe with a partner into the same stuff, you can
00:15 any48321706 and at the same time?
00:16 rrywolf curls back up on any48321706 for bed
00:16 e_mohr replays happy
00:16 e_mohr checks furrywolf is zero-indexed prop
00:17 y48321706 pets with one paw and typos with the other
00:17 furrywolf mrrf :)
00:17 rue_mohr hmm what will become of all my wonderfull work
00:19 any48321706 you'll work on it slower?
00:19 rue_mohr I need a cursor in my project for tracking structure manipulations....
00:22 any48321706 rue, how much does this cost? 200x Bright LED Round circle Light 5mm Blue color Bulbs
00:22 rue_mohr is the spec "bright" ?
00:22 rue_mohr is bright 1000mcd?
00:22 rue_mohr or 5 :)
00:22 any48321706 i dunno
00:22 y48321706 l
00:22 rue_mohr if bright is 50mcd, maybe 200x.... $5
00:23 rue_mohr cause 1000 would be about $20 or $30 from the manuf
00:24 any48321706 so $7 is a good deal for 200?
00:24 y48321706 co
00:24 rue_mohr less than 10c ea, anything sounds good
00:25 rue_mohr I made a small side table and I got it wrong
00:25 any48321706 but i don't need them, 90 cents, $6.30 shipping, 0 bids
00:25 rue_mohr but it can prolly hold up about 500lbs
00:25 rue_mohr you could make 2 10x10x10... nope... nevermind
00:26 any48321706 if you want them : http://www.ebay.com/itm/200x-Bright-LED-Round-circle-Light-5mm-Blue-color-Bulbs-/200777665423
00:26 any48321706 you got 10 minutes to bid
00:27 rue_mohr na, but I was thinking about the xkcd idea of putting 365 dollars into apaypall account and making a script buy me one $1 thig w/free chipping every day
00:27 rue_mohr wtf is this with chiping?
00:28 any48321706 better modify that to be free shipping, the Chinese are getting wise
00:28 rue_mohr my hands persistantly made that error
00:28 rue_mohr its like there is a lack of word indexes and that one wins by default
00:30 any48321706 script needs to be recursive too, i bid $1.04 and lost
00:30 rue_mohr this would jsut be for $1 items
00:31 any48321706 100 pcs 5mm Straw Hat Wide Angel 6000mcd Blue Led ; 3 bids $1.30 ; Free Shipping
00:31 any48321706 see, at $1.35, that one might be worth it
00:32 rue_mohr what can you find me for $1 w/free shipping?
00:32 rue_mohr for some reason I made the 'project' in this program only consist of the projects output file
00:32 any48321706 well, the meter of heatshrink said 99 cents, but $1.04 was too low a vote to count
00:33 rue_mohr I see, that is an issue
00:33 rue_mohr but you have to put more than $1 on it to win it dont ya?
00:33 rue_mohr can you bid $1 on a 0.99 itm?
00:33 any48321706 only if you are the first bidder
00:34 rue_mohr it can lose,dosn't matter
00:34 any48321706 if it's 99 because someone bid 99, then the lowest good bid is 1.04
00:35 any48321706 Crane & Hoist Cable Carrier Assembly Suitable for Wire Rope, Cable, Wire & Cable
00:35 rue_mohr damnit I forgot to shave
00:35 any48321706 starting bid is $1.99 tho
00:35 rue_mohr and I forgot when bedtime was
00:36 any48321706 oooo, 3 meters of 7mm shrink tube, 0 bids, 99 cents, free s&h
00:36 rue_mohr turning this intoa custom structure is going to be a mess
00:36 rue_mohr url?
00:37 any48321706 you need it?
00:37 rue_mohr no but I want something to come in the mail
00:37 rue_mohr kat
00:37 rue_mohr how about this
00:37 any48321706 oh, you cannot have it : FREE Standard ShippingSee more services See shipping discounts
00:37 any48321706 Start of LayerEnd of Layer | See all shipping details
00:37 any48321706 Item location: Matthews, North Carolina, United States
00:37 any48321706 Ships to: United States
00:37 any48321706 does not ship to Canadia
00:37 rue_mohr if I send you the 365, will you do the buying for me?
00:37 rue_mohr oh
00:37 rue_mohr damn
00:38 GuShH any48321706: I got a deal on heatshrink today for 30c a meter!
00:38 any48321706 no, but i might write a script to do it
00:38 GuShH 6mm
00:38 GuShH 45c for 10mm I think
00:38 any48321706 GuShH, well then stop buying it up, give the rest of us a chance! i need some for these to-3p leads
00:39 GuShH any48321706: I'd gladly let you use my rolls :p
00:39 GuShH mind you they only have it in black
00:39 any48321706 6mm is too big
00:39 GuShH they had 4mm but it was gone, even cheaper
00:39 GuShH 10m lasts a long time
00:39 GuShH it's 2 to 1 shrink ratio I think
00:40 any48321706 someone is buying gobs of photoresistors, 20 for .99
00:40 GuShH ohh I want some :(
00:40 GuShH I always wanted to try the homemade fet experiment with them
00:41 any48321706 wrap them in Al foil and charge the foil?
00:41 GuShH it was scotch tape and water
00:41 any48321706 scotch tape isn't waterproof
00:41 GuShH it's insulating it temporarily
00:41 any48321706 dip then in caulk
00:41 GuShH they are already dipped in some stuff
00:42 any48321706 11 cents, free s&h : 10PCS 2.2UF 50V Radial Electrolytic Capacitor
00:42 GuShH brand?
00:43 GuShH any48321706: are you finding auctions that end within seconds or are these buy-now items?
00:43 GuShH I think you are a sniper :p
00:43 any48321706 ya know i picked up 2 100mhz scopes for 99 cents a couple yrs ago? you can't do that anymore
00:43 GuShH are you kidding me?
00:43 any48321706 the 11 cents is auction, 10hrs
00:43 any48321706 not kidding
00:43 ShH would try to get married to any48321706 if onl
00:43 orlok Eurgh, i had a look at where to install a remote door unlock into my car the other day
00:44 any48321706 and one 100Mhz was damaged badly in shipping, i sent the seller pics, they refunded the entire amount, i got some good parts out of it
00:44 GuShH The whole 99c refund! I think the guy smashed it before he shipped it.
00:44 orlok unscrewed the lower dash panel, and bloody hell, somebody had been in there before me
00:44 GuShH Trust me I would've done that.
00:44 orlok wires spliced in, just twist+tied
00:44 GuShH Either that or replaced with an equal, smashed one if I had one.
00:44 orlok and taped, no solder, no crimp lugs
00:45 rue_mohr hehe
00:45 rue_mohr automotive electrical
00:45 orlok some blade fuses added with space lugs directly atatched, no fuse holders, then taped up
00:45 GuShH orlok: you caught it just in time, was it at least fused? :p
00:45 any48321706 no, the crushed one was a goodie, for good money
00:45 GuShH rue_mohr: we almost had a car fire once because of a car alarm
00:45 orlok wires that went nowhere
00:45 any48321706 $2 , free s&h, 10 Pcs 1W High Power Warm White Led Lamp Beads 90~100 Lm Wholesale
00:45 GuShH it not only fired off in the middle of a route it actually began to smoke
00:45 orlok the only good thing - i think it was for a car alarm/remote unluck unit
00:45 GuShH all installed with electrical tape and twisted wire, by a "professional"
00:45 orlok so at least i will be re-doing it anyway
00:46 GuShH any48321706: do you do this with food as well?
00:46 GuShH any48321706: http://sparkbangbuzz.com/cds-fet/cds-fet.htm
00:46 any48321706 depends on if i can make it taste any better
00:46 GuShH however I think the LDRs you were talking about were the tiny chinese ones
00:46 GuShH that are rounded beads of shittyness
00:47 GuShH any48321706: I mean get food for dirt cheap
00:48 any48321706 5M 3528 RGB Non-Waterproof Flexible 300 LEDs Strip Lights 12V ; 1 bid $0.99 ; Free Shipping
00:48 any48321706 i tend to pay for food since i have not been allowed to grow it
00:48 any48321706 altho ia m working on putting enough dirt on the roof to grow some foods
00:48 GuShH not allowed? how come?
00:49 ShH pictures the roof collap
00:49 any48321706 neighbor's gods, i am told i am not allowed to defend myself from them, and must allow them to bite me, which means next one i shoot trying to bite me i'll be in jail for sure
00:49 ShH idly scratches his
00:50 GuShH Well you could come over, there's lots of land and you could marry someone from your same gender if that's what floats your boat!
00:50 e_mohr idly bl
00:50 any48321706 gotta be .nz then
00:50 GuShH Argentina
00:50 GuShH weed is also legal
00:50 any48321706 oh,, land of hating the usa ?
00:50 e_mohr watches kat and Gu
00:50 GuShH I don't seem to hate USA
00:51 any48321706 what's his nick does,, the "president" there
00:51 GuShH nick or name?
00:51 GuShH shes a bitch
00:51 GuShH on wheels
00:51 any48321706 course, King Bush(s) up here hated him first
00:51 e_mohr tries to draw a line on how late to sta
00:51 GuShH and should be shot, along all other politicians
00:51 e_mohr thinks about having another icecream s
00:51 GuShH draw a circle instead!
00:53 any48321706 11 cents : 1Pcs 0.36" 7-Segment Super 3 LED Display Digit Anode common free s&h
00:53 GuShH bah just one?
00:54 any48321706 sorry, i didn't make the rules, and i set the search terms to 99 cents
00:54 rue_mohr can I get 9?
00:54 GuShH I want 100
00:54 rue_mohr will they chip to canadia?
00:54 ShH chips rue_mohr's keyboard with an
00:55 rue_mohr it still compiles, I must not be trying hard enought o break it
00:55 e_mohr changes the keyboard map, swaps s an
00:55 rue_mohr NO! my c prime button!
00:55 ShH swings the axe ar
00:55 e_mohr laughs a
00:56 any48321706 lotta shrink , pics, connectors : http://www.ebay.com/sch/prothe/m.html
00:57 any48321706 jetta stuff
00:57 GuShH lol
00:57 ShH sends the link to his bro
01:00 any48321706 Only 1 x Office Supply Paper Clip Red Color ; Free shipping ; Location: China ; 0 bids $0.10
01:00 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Only-1-x-Office-Supply-Paper-Clip-Red-Color-Free-shipping-/160824701687
01:00 rue_mohr why did I make a sidetable capableof carrying 500lbs and why is my bed made of 2x6?
01:00 GuShH you need a new bed and you know it
01:01 rue_mohr was I traumatized by failure to make forts out of styrofoam when I was young?
01:01 GuShH any48321706: that's too expensive!
01:01 rue_mohr well yes, but...
01:01 rue_mohr why do I do what I do
01:01 rue_mohr I do it cause at some point I found a lot of joy in it,
01:01 GuShH you are an overkill guy
01:01 rue_mohr where did that joy come from?
01:01 rue_mohr was it from othr aroundme?
01:02 GuShH it's the joy of knowing "you can"
01:02 rue_mohr hmm
01:02 any48321706 tell me where i can find it too
01:02 GuShH nothing wrong with that
01:02 ShH offers any48321706 some
01:02 rue_mohr no, I started programming cause I could sit and have fun with a computer, more fun than I could have out playing with other kids
01:02 GuShH yeah, I started like that.
01:02 rue_mohr and my second project ever was to make an ai
01:03 rue_mohr *sigh*
01:03 GuShH I didn't fit in when the kids were talking about music and other crap, I had no clue what they were talking about.
01:03 any48321706 99 cent linear bearings
01:03 rue_mohr so th coputer became a frind who was always there for me
01:03 any48321706 99 cent flex couplers
01:03 rue_mohr free s&h?
01:03 any48321706 yep
01:03 GuShH pft
01:03 GuShH we don't get international free s&h :(
01:03 rue_mohr kat, would I do better to change the semantics and make it $7 every week?
01:04 rue_mohr well throw me links for them
01:04 any48321706 GuShH, it's in China, how can you NOT get it with free s&h when it says so?
01:04 ShH packs his bags and moves to any483217
01:04 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/linear-bearing-pillow-blocks-SBR12UU-with-LM12UU-inR1-/140775180719
01:04 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/linear-bearing-pillow-blocks-SBR16UU-with-LM16UU-inR2-/130713298672
01:05 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-flexible-coupler-coupling-6-35mm-5mm-E1-/140775180831
01:05 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-flexible-coupler-coupling-6-35mm-8mm-E10-/140775180867
01:05 any48321706 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-flexible-coupler-coupling-8mm-12mm-E11-/130713298790
01:05 any48321706 that seller has a few things at 999 cents
01:05 any48321706 99
01:06 rue_mohr ahahaha
01:06 any48321706 $1.25 50pcs smd led 0603 red/blue/yello?w/orange/white lights each 10pcs xbox KIT ; http://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-smd-led-0603-red-blue-yellow-orange-white-lights-each-10pcs-xbox-KIT-DIY-/270998664680
01:06 rue_mohr 'enter $1.04 or more
01:06 rue_mohr :/
01:06 rue_mohr its also in usd
01:07 rue_mohr so maybe I'll wait till right before the elction is finished wen the usd is in the hole
01:07 y48321706 is less than prefect
01:07 rue_mohr no
01:07 rue_mohr you met the paramiters specified
01:07 rue_mohr my error in how I specified them
01:07 rue_mohr oh , only ships to usa
01:08 any48321706 1M K-Type Thermocouple K thermometer sensor plastic
01:08 any48321706 Location: Hong Kong Store: GLuck_MallSeller User Id: lerway168Feedback: 239 | 100%Returns: Accepted within 14 days 0 bids $0.99
01:08 any48321706 Free Shipping Time left:
01:08 rue_mohr its all to usa only
01:08 rue_mohr from china
01:09 any48321706 try the .ca version of ebay
01:09 rue_mohr :)
01:09 rue_mohr not now, I'm asleep
01:10 rue_mohr I'm just waiting for it to soak out
01:10 y48321706 ponders 6Gbytes of DDR2 ram for
01:10 GuShH what speed?
01:10 rue_mohr in 120 moules?
01:11 y48321706 ponders 10Gbytes of DDR-2 PC2-5300 for
01:12 any48321706 the 6Gbtes is DDR2 , 400 , PC2-3200
01:13 any48321706 hmm, 96 pcs of 64Mbyte DDR2 sdram
01:13 any48321706 $19 + $3 s&h
01:14 rue_mohr kat, do you have any computers have youn't neutred the sound from?
01:14 any48321706 one, upstairs, not hooked up to anything yet
01:15 rue_mohr I'd like to have you watch a youtube video and tell me what you think it says about me
01:15 rue_mohr not now
01:15 any48321706 cept that puter is not hooked to *anything*
01:15 rue_mohr } else {
01:15 rue_mohr while( cursor = strsep(&params, sep) ) {
01:15 rue_mohr !!!???!!!
01:15 rue_mohr }
01:15 rue_mohr }
01:15 any48321706 no monitor, keybd, etc or lan
01:15 rue_mohr I'm trying to work out what !!!???!!! should be replaced with right now
01:16 rue_mohr would you like me to ship you a 130' network patch cord?
01:16 any48321706 no, there's lan on the desk there
01:16 rue_mohr $0 and free chpping
01:16 any48321706 lan on both desks in the other bedroom too
01:16 any48321706 i just lost that desire to do it, yanno?
01:17 rue_mohr whats a 10pk of desire worth?
01:17 rue_mohr $20? $30?
01:17 any48321706 puters moving 68Gigs started 36 hrs ago, got 44Gig done so far
01:17 rue_mohr I think too much multitasking is damaging my brain
01:18 any48321706 what's a"10pk" ?
01:18 rue_mohr 10 pack
01:18 rue_mohr like zip disk come in
01:18 rue_mohr my zip disks came
01:18 any48321706 depends on how long it lasts, and what the desire is for
01:18 rue_mohr thanks for helping me get the right ones
01:19 any48321706 umm ,ok
01:21 any48321706 woah, that 50hp motor isn't 99 cent any more, it's $56
01:22 rue_mohr BVHfindJoint( Entity_t * this, char * name, unsigned int * result) ;
01:22 rue_mohr but I dont understand what the index reffers to
01:23 any48321706 me either
01:23 rue_mohr / get index for a joint name
01:23 GuShH any48321706: 56 is still cheap
01:23 rue_mohr its the index in the name list
01:24 any48321706 i know, but i have a DesignerThinking.com\images\solar\outside.jpg , so not going to spend good money on anotehr
01:24 any48321706 seeing as how i was prevented from using that one
01:25 rue_mohr http://DesignerThinking.com\images\solar\outside.jpg
01:25 rue_mohr http://designerthinking.com/images/solar/outside.jpg
01:26 rue_mohr how did the cowl get so broken?
01:26 any48321706 i still have a Bridgeport mill sitting out in the rain on it's side the last 10+ years
01:26 any48321706 the recycling center dropped it
01:26 rue_mohr it looks still just surface rust
01:26 any48321706 bearings are rusted up too
01:26 orlok bridgeport refers to a brand or configuration?
01:26 any48321706 it's been sitting out there 10+ years too
01:26 any48321706 the brand
01:27 rue_mohr I'd expect they are usuallyso guped up in grease they never rust
01:27 GuShH any48321706: why do you throw stuff outside?
01:27 rue_mohr 600V?
01:27 any48321706 i had it on a pallet and tarped, the pallet and tarp rotetd away long ago, i wasn't allowed to go to them on my property
01:27 any48321706 208/480
01:28 GuShH if it's your property who isn't allowing you to do anything you want
01:28 rue_mohr GuShH, a) she's female
01:28 GuShH and?
01:28 any48321706 so i can get 120@75amps x 3 phases as an induction genny
01:28 rue_mohr b) her neighbour repeatedly strips here of human rights (the basic ones)
01:28 GuShH rue_mohr: what the fuck
01:28 GuShH who is this neighbour
01:28 rue_mohr dont go theere, just go kill her neighbour, I wont tell, I promise
01:29 rue_mohr I'd do it but I never leave home town
01:29 GuShH I would teach them a lesson, if you paid for the plane ticket...
01:29 rue_mohr I keep trying to get zhanx to do it, butits nothappening
01:29 GuShH I'll go medieval on their ass
01:29 any48321706 i also no longer have ANY of this left : DesignerThinking.com/Little Boat.html
01:29 any48321706 the hulls got left in Florida
01:29 e_mohr is sad enough listn the puff the magic dr
01:30 GuShH why don't you just get some authority involved?
01:30 rue_mohr I really wish my fingers would dictate my thoughts and this arguable chinglish that gets typed out
01:30 any48321706 it was a beautiful piece of work too DesignerThinking.com/images/littleboat/fresh%20blue%20paint%20-%20unfolded.jpg
01:30 rue_mohr GuShH, it SEEMS that her neighbour is a drug producer, and is growing drugs on her land
01:31 GuShH son of a bitch
01:31 rue_mohr and the DA is on the neighbours side, and one of the judges, so they are siding aginst kat
01:31 any48321706 GuShH, i got authorites involved, they are the ones who told me i haveto let the dog bite me, literally, told me that, and threatened to put me in a jail cell or in a home
01:31 rue_mohr I think they are part of a local drug ring
01:31 GuShH is the drug ass paying them off?
01:31 GuShH should off them all.
01:31 rue_mohr its theonly logical explination
01:32 GuShH any48321706: and you haven't moved because of money issues?
01:32 any48321706 i made thos beautiful pointy bows all myself, my design, my idea, from old discarded water heaters
01:32 rue_mohr they would take a LONG time to figure out a RC controlled, armoured D9, cuase its happened in that state before
01:32 any48321706 correct
01:33 rue_mohr they would all be crowding around it trying to fire bullets into it, not knowing there is nobody in there
01:33 any48321706 all legally registered and titled, floating in water : file:///C:/my%20domains/DesignerThinking.com/images/TheLaunching/DSCF1103.jpg
01:33 any48321706 all legally registered and titled, floating in water : DesignerThinking.com/images/TheLaunching/DSCF1103.jpg
01:33 rue_mohr and if this time, the COOLING system were armoured too, they couldn't get it that way again
01:33 orlok rue_mohr: i thought last time it just got highsided?
01:33 any48321706 i still have the trailer i built to haul it
01:34 rue_mohr kat your story makes me so verry depressed
01:34 rue_mohr no that was the tank
01:34 GuShH it makes me angry
01:34 rue_mohr the D9 running amok thru town has the rad shot out, and overheated
01:34 rue_mohr had
01:34 orlok ahh
01:34 GuShH design flaw!
01:34 orlok i thought it got stuck in a building
01:35 rue_mohr he didn't armour the cooling system
01:35 rue_mohr just the basic emgine and the cab
01:35 rue_mohr no, it siezed from overheating
01:36 any48321706 he should have known, the cops have shot out 18-wheeler radiators before too
01:36 rue_mohr I know you could do better
01:36 GuShH That's not a good idea
01:37 rue_mohr like I say, RC controlled,and after the media caught it, you just sit back and let their cameras be your eyes
01:37 rue_mohr why not, in a place that corrupt?
01:37 GuShH if she gets caught, it's over.
01:37 rue_mohr kat SHOULD go mad, she has been given more than enough cause
01:37 GuShH the first thing they'll look is at her place
01:37 rue_mohr FREE board and food?
01:37 any48321706 they's test everyting about it for dna
01:37 rue_mohr for a good few years, then do it again
01:38 rue_mohr your dna lready on file?
01:38 any48321706 it's like if *anyone* shoots one of the neighbor's gods, they'll come looking for *me* first
01:38 any48321706 i dunno
01:38 GuShH any48321706: you wear gloves, that's not the issue.
01:38 any48321706 sure it is: dandruff, hair, etc
01:38 rue_mohr yes, but it a d9 is driven thru the fcounrthouse, people wont be able to work out where ot start
01:38 GuShH the issue is that you have motive
01:39 rue_mohr to take out a courthouse?
01:39 rue_mohr so do about 500000 other people
01:39 GuShH I mean her neighbour
01:39 GuShH and this is now logged
01:39 any48321706 the 47Gbytes transfered was 534,000 pdf files on electronics parts, got anotehr 21 Gig to move
01:39 GuShH I hope shes using several proxies
01:39 rue_mohr when yo put out a fire you dont point the extinguisher that the flames, you point it at the base
01:39 any48321706 no, but i have refused help
01:39 rue_mohr if the neighbour didn't have the courthouse with the corrupt DA, she wouldn't be where she is
01:40 any48321706 cause the worst thing i can do to the assholes around here is keep them alive and fucking each otehr over
01:40 rue_mohr GuShH, kat is on the line of losing everything right now anyhow
01:41 rue_mohr if not slightly over
01:41 GuShH debt?
01:41 rue_mohr where do you think the money comes from, from a neighbour who repeatedly sues her?
01:41 GuShH you should move to furrywolf's place
01:41 any48321706 i am defaulting on debt this month
01:42 rue_mohr or a guy who screws her over by daying there is a place in florida she can live and then not letting here live there?
01:42 any48321706 every bit of debt i cannot pay is due to issues witht he neighbors or the move to Fla (under false terms)
01:42 rue_mohr and kat cant sue him cause she cant get the money to do it
01:42 GuShH no lawyer would take the case?
01:43 rue_mohr not for free
01:43 GuShH some would
01:43 any48321706 and i cannot afford the lawyer
01:43 rue_mohr she IS just a female
01:43 rue_mohr :/
01:43 GuShH that's sexist
01:43 rue_mohr I'm not saying that, they do
01:43 GuShH she welds better than I do >_<
01:44 rue_mohr kat has extreme talent and an amazing ability to excersize it even tho being physically screwed
01:44 any48321706 try NOT using your penis to weld
01:44 rue_mohr kat is amazing
01:44 ShH oOoO( if only I had my shit together I could invite any48321706 ov
01:44 rue_mohr and is amazingly screwed over
01:45 GuShH any48321706: I don't...
01:45 rue_mohr kat, if I happen to go back in time, where do I go to make that origional stove inncodent not hapen
01:45 any48321706 well, most men say women cannot weld because they don't have one
01:46 any48321706 same with pounding nails, or measuring things
01:46 GuShH any48321706: ...
01:46 rue_mohr or when
01:46 GuShH I just said the opposite.
01:46 any48321706 stove incident?
01:46 rue_mohr the one that started it all
01:46 any48321706 i dunno what you mean
01:47 rue_mohr isn't it a stove that fell on you and you were unable to work ever after
01:47 ShH wonders if any48321706 looks like those crazy artist chicks with pointy hairs and dirty h
01:47 any48321706 it was knowing how to use a campfire to make food taste good that got woment confined to the kitchen, but that predates stoves
01:47 any48321706 oh, ,,, 1984, early winter
01:47 rue_mohr alabama is NOT the right place for kat to be
01:47 any48321706 Dec, i think
01:48 any48321706 i washed my paws 20 minutes ago
01:48 GuShH pfft that's what they all say.
01:48 any48321706 ok
01:48 rue_mohr ok I put it in my 'things to change if going back in time' file
01:48 GuShH then you see finger marks on everything!
01:49 any48321706 it's because i hate tearing down keybds to clean them
01:49 GuShH haha
01:49 GuShH any48321706: what incident? did you get seriously hurt?
01:49 any48321706 popping all the eys off, scrubbing with toothbrush, overhead so the water won't run inside, putting all the cleaned buttons back on, it's a lot of time
01:50 rue_mohr turn it over and rotate it a few times from one end rapidly between about 45 degrees and the limit of rotation provided by the desk
01:50 any48321706 incident: flattened 3 disks , 2 lumbar , one thoracic
01:50 rue_mohr like this
01:50 GuShH shit
01:50 rue_mohr o8obpw09M]VQ98yb 63mv,0223b0b23u9]mv0-589by55Y85V38[y821v57itb248y8iou r7O3Qvp*
01:51 any48321706 i'll tr that next time, rue, thanks
01:51 rue_mohr EVERY FEW MONths you can hit it from one end with a compressed air nozzle too
01:52 any48321706 GuShH , so YOU can maybe see why i REQUIRED a barn be built to spec and in a timely fashion in Fla, and how it drove me away to be told after i had truck/trailer loads of stuff there, that the barn and overhead lift were not going to happen
01:52 rue_mohr GuShH, if that hadn't happened, she wouldn't have lost her job and (event chain)
01:53 rue_mohr ok its midnight here, so prolly 3am for kat
01:53 rue_mohr gnight
01:53 any48321706 lost job, then 40 acres and house i was 2 yrs from paying off (at ~24 yrs old)
01:53 GuShH almost 4AM for me
01:53 any48321706 1:45
01:53 any48321706 i need to goto store, need supplies
01:53 GuShH :(
01:53 any48321706 it's less infested with humans at this time
01:55 katsmeow-afk so, bbl with bread, canned meat, maybe some dead fish, caffine, tp, etc
01:57 rue_mohr Status_t BVHfindJoint( Entity_t * this, char * name, unsigned int * result) ;
01:57 rue_mohr for (i = 0; i < this->count; i++) {
01:57 rue_mohr if (strcmp(this->joint[i].name, name) == 0) {
01:57 rue_mohr *result = i;
01:57 rue_mohr return OK;
01:57 rue_mohr }
01:57 rue_mohr typedef struct Entity_s {
01:57 rue_mohr Joint_t * joint;
01:57 rue_mohr unsigned int count;
01:57 rue_mohr } Entity_t;
01:58 rue_mohr typedef struct Joint_s {
01:58 rue_mohr char * name;
01:58 rue_mohr Moves_t * axis;
01:58 rue_mohr unsigned int count;
01:58 rue_mohr } Joint_t;
01:58 rue_mohr typedef struct Moves_s {
01:58 rue_mohr char * name;
01:58 rue_mohr float * pos;
01:58 rue_mohr unsigned int count;
01:58 rue_mohr } Moves_t;
01:59 rue_mohr but I didn't link back to a bvhNode_t
01:59 rue_mohr Status_t BVHaddJoint( bvhNode_t * this , char * name){
01:59 rue_mohr
01:59 rue_mohr bvhNode_t ** temparr;
01:59 rue_mohr
01:59 rue_mohr //realloc memory for new element
01:59 rue_mohr this->childCount++;
01:59 rue_mohr temparr = realloc(this->child, sizeof(bvhNode_t *)*(this->childCount));
01:59 rue_mohr this->child = temparr;
02:00 rue_mohr this->child[(this->childCount)-1] = NULL;
02:00 rue_mohr BVHInitNode(&(this->child[(this->childCount)-1]), name);
02:00 rue_mohr return OK;
02:00 rue_mohr
02:00 rue_mohr }
02:00 rue_mohr when I create it...
02:01 rue_mohr iirc I could barely do this at full capacity, and I'm not even close right now
02:01 rue_mohr its got recursion and linked lists in it, and I need to be awake to properly deal with either
02:03 rue_bed gnight rue
03:54 katsmeow-afk if rue or GuShH is still awake, i think a 7603 with all the best plugins normally put into that scope, went for $15 over the weekend
03:54 katsmeow-afk any of the plugins normally sold on ebay for more than $15
03:55 katsmeow-afk but they listed it as the military model number of the 7603, and listed all the plugins as the mil numbers, and not once mentioned the civilian numbers, so it didn't turn up in searches
03:56 katsmeow-afk shipping was only $25, which told me they were not packaging it prperly, and i'd get it in pieces, so i did not bid on it
03:56 katsmeow-afk but i did mention it in here, i think, for anyone near it to go pick it up and keep it from the shipping gorillas
03:57 katsmeow-afk and while Tektronix has some suggestions on how they name things, there's some major gotchas too
03:58 katsmeow-afk for instance all the 7603 were not all rackmounts, while all other scopes of 7xx3 ARE 3-slots
04:00 katsmeow-afk there's no correlation between increasing number and speed, in fact a gotcha about that got me a 500Mhz scope for $125: the 7704 is a 200Mhz sister to the 100Mhz 7603 , there is a 7703, a rackmount, but it's not a relative to the 7704, instead of 200Mhz, it's 500Mhz, and now you know it too
04:01 katsmeow-afk so like the place in NY couldn't make any money selling the 7603 with the military number, no one could sell the 500Mhz 7703 for any more than a 200Mhz 7704
04:05 katsmeow-afk and, the 7703 came with an optional high speed crt, which i believe is the basis of the 7912 Transient Scan convertor, which does an effective digitising of single 750Mhz bandwidth pulses at 100 Gsps
04:06 katsmeow-afk the 7912AD was improved, 1Ghz bandwidth effectively doing 120 giga samples per sec, and after Tektronix quit making it, some aftermarket gurus got it up to 2Ghz bandwidth , or ~250 Gigasamples per sec
04:07 katsmeow-afk in single pulse mode, otherwise retraces overwrote whatever you first triggered on, but it would still keep on digitising
04:07 katsmeow-afk those still sell for good money on ebay
04:08 saschi want have :)
04:08 katsmeow-afk they do not suffer the same MCP burnout as 7104 1 Ghz scopes
04:09 katsmeow-afk me too, but i'd never ship one, and driving to go get it might cost as much as the scope, starting at $600
04:10 saschi this oldschool measurement equipment is nice
04:10 katsmeow-afk it's worth way more than that if you need a digitised video or picture of a single (or many) pulse event at 750 Mhz
04:10 katsmeow-afk i'd trade a 7104 for a 7912AD in a heartbeat
04:18 katsmeow-afk errr, not 7704/7703 , 7904/7903
04:18 katsmeow-afk it's 4am, i should not have my mouth running
04:28 katsmeow-afk Tektronix 154-0893-05= [!what][!electronic device] CRT for 7704A, R7903, 7904A, 7854 <<== but no one knows(!?) the 7903 is so fast, those otehr 3 scopes sell for money, and the 7704 is only 150Mhz, the 7704A is 200Mhz
04:29 tsmeow-afk pulled that crt line out of Tiggr's database, she is really a smart bot , i i do say so my
07:04 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I wish I could get any of those TEKs... here they sell for a small fortune, if you could figure out a way to get them past customs you could be making serious money
07:05 katsmeow-afk surely you just order them and have them shipped to you?
07:05 GuShH no one does it because it's such a "low volume" item and most people will smuggle LCDs and other consumer products instead.
07:05 GuShH katsmeow-afk: not exactly. we can't even import used goods.
07:05 GuShH there's a law against it and don't ask me why no one could ever tell me.
07:05 katsmeow-afk it's illegal ??
07:05 katsmeow-afk then how can you have a computer at all there?
07:05 GuShH by not buying used?
07:06 GuShH from abroad?
07:06 katsmeow-afk oh, you can import NEW stuff tho?
07:06 GuShH katsmeow-afk: at a 50% duty fee
07:06 GuShH and low volumes otherwise I have to fill up paperwork and bend over even more.
07:06 katsmeow-afk wanna buy a KAT brand model-type Tektronix 7603 oscope?
07:07 GuShH If someone could manage to get used lab equipment across, they could sell it for a huge profit.
07:07 GuShH let me show you the kind of prices we've got here for shitty used scopes.
07:07 GuShH I had to pay 100 usd for a 10 meg ancient.
07:07 GuShH and that was a bargain.
07:07 katsmeow-afk yeas, but 50% fee on that $15 isn't much to complain about!
07:08 GuShH You know those cheapie Rigols, well they aren't importing them anymore, but when they were the price tag was 2.5 times what you'd expect to see online for the same model.
07:08 GuShH katsmeow-afk: no one believes it's a) new b) it costs 15 usd
07:08 GuShH I could get caught for fraud over that kind of thing.
07:09 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-150426400-osciloscopio-leader-20-mhz-2-canales-made-japan-excelente-_JM
07:09 katsmeow-afk well, new sides would e easy, new front panels will be very hard, making it incompatable with real Tek stuff is easy
07:09 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-148690970-osciloscopio-fluke-99b-scopemeter-serie-2-100-mhz-regalo-_JM
07:09 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-423211713-osciloscopio-multifuncion-marca-metex-dg-scope-20mhz-_JM
07:09 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-423061657-osciloscopio-tektronix-tds460a-4ch-400mhz-digital-storage-_JM
07:09 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-149175239-osciloscopio-tektronix-100mhz-_JM
07:09 GuShH how do you like them prices?
07:10 katsmeow-afk ey carumba!
07:10 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-424078419-osiloscopio-hewlett-packard-1741a-100-mhz-cmemoria-_JM
07:10 GuShH this is why it costs me so much to get equipment and why studying electronics here is almost impossible
07:10 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-149523464-osciloscopio-tektronix-2465a-350mhz-en-muy-buen-estado-_JM
07:10 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-426092790-osciloscopios-gw-instek-gos-6101-100mhz-zona-norte-_JM
07:11 GuShH http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-150090917-tektronix-2465b-400mhz-muy-nuevo-_JM
07:11 Skwint argentina and chile are both surprisingly expensive places for most things
07:11 GuShH and that's hard USD currency, in a country where buying USD is only possible if you have a stable job and can explain why you need USD currency.
07:11 katsmeow-afk wierd they can advertise those as new when they have not been made since the 1990's, or earlier
07:12 GuShH I've seen samples being sold as well. Which really pisses me off
07:12 GuShH If I had the time and money I would chase them down one by one
07:12 GuShH Most companies won't sample to my country anymore because of people like them
07:12 GuShH Just regular idiots who have no idea what the parts are for, but they know what they sell for.
07:12 katsmeow-afk how did you happen to land there?
07:13 GuShH How the hell should I know
07:13 katsmeow-afk you do not know how you happen to be in Argentina??
07:13 GuShH part of my family is croatian, the other part italian... my family lived in spain for many years
07:14 GuShH katsmeow-afk: if anything let's blame my dead father!
07:14 katsmeow-afk then you could have multiple passports, you can bring in personal equipment, no?
07:14 GuShH I am technically italian.
07:14 ShH even has to vote but has no idea who to vote
07:15 katsmeow-afk many places will not ship to Italy eitehr :-/
07:15 GuShH I know.
07:15 Tom_itx i wonder if i've shipped there before
07:15 GuShH For small items it's OK, but big heavy equipment, forget about it.
07:15 Tom_itx italy's post really sucks
07:15 GuShH "forget about it!" (italian stereotype)
07:15 Tom_itx but stuff does get thru
07:15 GuShH ours isn't much better
07:15 katsmeow-afk ok, can you buy parts for oscopes and such?
07:15 Tom_itx it's just really really slow
07:15 GuShH but shipping is also expensive, katsmeow-afk.
07:16 Tom_itx because the shipper wants a guaranteed delivery
07:16 GuShH katsmeow-afk: so you'd see why I'd be pissed off if some idiot kept making fun of this situation all the time at ##e
07:16 gmagno hey where can I get a desktop cnc stepper motor + driver, here in europe? A mean, a good company, not ebay
07:16 Tom_itx 19 days to argentina
07:17 katsmeow-afk well, i doubt i can help, by the time i can get a boat down there, i'll be 60 yrs old, i'll be in a sailboat badly equipped to outrun the Argentine navy
07:17 Tom_itx only one item shipped there :(
07:17 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I was thinking submarine "carrier" that's the best way of doing it.
07:17 katsmeow-afk subs aren't that difficult to find nowadays
07:17 GuShH Tom_itx: there are some local jokers selling serial interfaced homemade pic / avr programmers...
07:18 GuShH I'd rather use a switch and tap the bits myself
07:18 Tom_itx i sent one there recently
07:18 GuShH katsmeow-afk: thanks to druggies?
07:18 katsmeow-afk what about shipping from Cuba, Arg-Cuba is friendly
07:18 GuShH we are so much like Cuba these days
07:18 Tom_itx i used my standard $5 shipping too
07:19 katsmeow-afk i *think* stuff canbe sent to Cuba, and should be easy from there yo Argentina
07:19 GuShH the only new DSOs being sold are cheap china crap http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-422866567-osciloscopio-digital-owon-100-mhz-2-ch-pantalla-color-8-tft-_JM
07:20 GuShH that's a lot of money for what it is, basically crap.
07:20 katsmeow-afk i know Nicaragua can fedex stuff into the usa, perhaps a vacation is in order there
07:20 gmagno er... I'm trying to build a desktop cnc, you guys know where I could get all the electronics parts (stepper motors + driver)?
07:20 katsmeow-afk gmagno, try Newark / Farnell in uk
07:21 katsmeow-afk else, wait till sunshine gets here in channel
07:21 ShH moves the courtains and lets sunshin
07:21 ShH realizes it's cloudy out t
07:21 katsmeow-afk Sunnyday
07:22 gmagno katsmeow-afk, I did that :( Their stepper motors are worse (lower currents per phase) and too expensive...when compared with the chineese :-/ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300654822440&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123)
07:23 gmagno actually, I've already bought that chineese kit, but it is taking too much time to arrive
07:23 katsmeow-afk hackkitten is in uk somewhere, or was, not sure
07:23 katsmeow-afk or eu, not uk
07:23 gmagno katsmeow-afk, gonna check that
07:23 katsmeow-afk well then order from ebay
07:23 GuShH not uk but shes not into cnc
07:23 GuShH gmagno: compared to the chinese description
07:24 katsmeow-afk eu
07:24 katsmeow-afk Sunnyday may be in ##electronics now, i dunno, he comes and goes
07:24 gmagno katsmeow-afk, Im having a hard time trying to find a similar kit in ebay from europe
07:24 GuShH gmagno: which, common sense dictates, you must multiply by 0.7 to obtain an approximate of it's real specs.
07:25 gmagno GuShH, :D
07:25 GuShH chinese specs are under absolute best conditions with all planets aligned and a couple blondes to your sides
07:25 katsmeow-afk GuShH, she need not be into cnc to know of eu suppliers
07:25 gmagno hehe
07:25 GuShH katsmeow-afk: she doesn't build much if anything at alll
07:25 GuShH more of a software person.
07:26 katsmeow-afk my appologies, i have been misinformed or misinterpreted
07:26 ShH fr
07:26 katsmeow-afk hmm?
07:26 GuShH Don't apologize to me!
07:27 katsmeow-afk did i show weakness? damnit, don't tell me wtf i did!
07:27 katsmeow-afk ;-)
07:28 katsmeow-afk better?
07:28 ckkitten is in
07:28 GuShH No, you are being kind but there's no need to apologize that's all.
07:28 katsmeow-afk therem NL is in Eu
07:28 hackkitten so almost-but-not-quite-in-the-UK
07:28 GuShH katsmeow-afk: Yes you are right about EU, but I don't think hackkitten builds a lot of stuff to have a broad list of providers and know who may supply cheap, good quality cnc material
07:29 ShH would like a 3d printer or
07:29 hackkitten that'd be correct~
07:29 katsmeow-afk i have an idea, why don't we let her tell us?
07:29 GuShH Because
07:29 GuShH At first I didn't realize hackkitten was here >_<
07:29 hackkitten :3
07:29 tsmeow-afk tosses hackkitten a winged m
07:30 GuShH eek a bat!
07:30 ShH has a history of shooting t
07:30 katsmeow-afk but more challenging and funto catch :-)
07:31 katsmeow-afk i have caught a few birds in the house with my bare paws, but no bats
07:32 GuShH you should train them to carry bombs to certain targets
07:32 katsmeow-afk or oscopes
07:32 GuShH Haha
07:32 GuShH You'd need quite a few birds to lift a big ol' CRO
07:33 katsmeow-afk i know i can airdrop it to you with less damage than it would get going 20ft from UPS truck to my gate here
07:33 GuShH I could never get this experiment to work http://sparkbangbuzz.com/zinc-40-meter-xmtr/zinc-40-meter-xmtr.htm
07:34 GuShH mostly the oscillator part with the ZNR
07:35 katsmeow-afk so wrong : This 50 microwatt (.00005 watt) transmitter could easily be heard from a distance of 5 miles (straight line GPS distance).
07:35 ShH needs a hotter t
07:35 Tom_itx yay! it's on the truck for delivery
07:36 GuShH http://sparkbangbuzz.com/memristor/memristor.htm
07:36 GuShH hes always doing weird crap with weird crap.
07:36 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk your psu is taking shape
07:37 katsmeow-afk oh, you see the pics i just put up?
07:37 Tom_itx nice choice of copper
07:38 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk i can barely see my own keyboard
07:38 katsmeow-afk copper?
07:38 Tom_itx the last night pics
07:39 Tom_itx http://sparkbangbuzz.com/memristor/mrs-5069-600.jpg
07:39 Tom_itx copper
07:39 katsmeow-afk i tought all i put up last nite was the heatsink pics
07:39 Tom_itx oh
07:39 ShH wonders if Tom_itx is slightly d
07:39 GuShH Tom_itx: that's brass and alu
07:39 GuShH the bolt is probably zinc plated steel
07:39 Tom_itx err yeah i'm not awake
07:39 GuShH but that's not part of the circuit
07:39 GuShH it's to hold the brass down
07:40 GuShH I want to try this as well.
07:40 GuShH So far nothing I've built from that site worked, but I'm going to give it a second chance
07:40 Tom_itx you should also try rue's led sensor
07:40 GuShH I do question whether the contact from the croco clip has anything to do with the memristor effect
07:41 Tom_itx light sensor
07:41 Tom_itx that does work
07:41 GuShH http://sparkbangbuzz.com/thermocouple/thermocouple.htm
07:42 katsmeow-afk re http://sparkbangbuzz.com/copper-oxide-te/copper-oxide-gen3.htm , you can still buy kerosene lamp electricity generators from Russia
07:42 katsmeow-afk ~1965 Encyclopedia Britanica had a few pagess in one of their books on how to make one of iron wire and copper wire
07:43 Tom_itx http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/elex/ledsensor/ledsensor.html
07:43 Tom_itx GuShH try that sometime
07:45 GuShH Tom_itx: I have, actually wrote some code to do this with the msp430 launchpad built in leds
07:45 GuShH it was a fun 2 minutes
07:45 GuShH katsmeow-afk: the only thing that worked from the site was the coherer, but that was bound to work.
07:46 GuShH the experiment was quite entertaining
07:46 ShH wonders where it'
07:47 GuShH Tom_itx: you could use an old germanium transistor as a phototransistor if you just scrape the black varnish off the glass envelope too!
07:47 GuShH assuming the poor old thing still worked.
07:47 katsmeow-afk anyhoo, i did shrink all the the page's pics and added the heatsink pics at http://designerthinking.com/benchpsu.html#bottom
07:47 GuShH I reckon an old germanium power transistor (to-3) with the cap lifted off would work just as well
07:48 katsmeow-afk adde a lot of text too
07:48 GuShH katsmeow-afk: did you file it all by hand?
07:48 katsmeow-afk i mention i cut it with a hacksaw
07:48 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk yes i've seen those pics but not the new page
07:48 m_itx th
07:48 katsmeow-afk but after that, yeas, i cleaned it up with files
07:49 GuShH katsmeow-afk: very tidy
07:49 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk is a tidy kitty
07:49 Tom_itx k, time to go
07:49 Helios Hey katsmeow, I have a video for you, Sexy Lexi dressed up as a cat, filmed and uploaded by yours truly,: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uisw54_uqTw
07:50 katsmeow-afk biggest diff tween http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/IMG_1761m.jpg and http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/IMG_1028.jpg
07:50 katsmeow-afk have funs Tom
07:51 Helios Wow, that's impressive
07:51 katsmeow-afk no sound here, Helios
07:51 Helios Hefty cap bank
07:52 Helios What do you think of Lexi dressed up as a cat?
07:52 katsmeow-afk btw, Helios, tell gmagno where he can get parts in Eu , or uk
07:52 gmagno Helios, right! :)
07:52 katsmeow-afk i am getting sick from the camera swinging all over the flat
07:53 katsmeow-afk she is wearing aBATMAN shirt, she isn't dressed as a cat
07:54 Helios UK, LSK is good for cheap nuts bolts, brackets, hinges, thread, etc. Simpson steel is good for sheet metal, the scrapyard is good for motors and alternators, Stockline plastics is good for Sheet ABS, polycarbonate etc and RS components and ebay.co.uk are good for electronics, arduinos etc.
07:54 katsmeow-afk sorry, my dsl is all clogged up with data mining, it's not watchable
07:54 gmagno Helios, I'm building a desktop cnc, and am looking for the electronics parts (stepper motors + driver)
07:54 Helios I got nema34's go to cnc4u.co.uk's page within ebay.co.uk
07:54 Helios They are hefty
07:54 gmagno :D sweet
07:55 tsmeow-afk takes off to look for a katnap,
07:55 Helios If I were you join #linuxcnc, get yoruself a sieg X3 and convert it with some steppers, drivers, couplers, motor mounts, Gecko drive
07:56 Helios At that price you might just as well get yourself a decent Mendelmax 3d printer
07:56 Tom_itx do you have one?
07:58 Helios No I opted for mold making substances,
07:58 Tom_itx Helios, my updated psu & drivers: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/frame1.jpg
07:58 Helios Platinum cure I got, and I just pay someone to 3d print me objects
07:58 Helios I'm now melting Delrin gears with hot oil baths on the hob
07:58 Helios They are VERY strong
07:58 Tom_itx putting it in a box soon, it arrives today
07:58 Helios Much moreso than chocolate, wax and soap gears
07:58 Tom_itx oh, you're that guy
07:59 Helios 3 axis
07:59 GuShH "that guy"
07:59 Helios Solarnrg
07:59 Helios Sunnyday
07:59 Tom_itx the hazzardous toxic fumes breathing guy
07:59 Helios Yep
07:59 Helios Hey I smoke alright, at least over the net I can talk to you and you don't have to breathe in my smoke
08:00 Tom_itx yup but it's not doing you much good
08:00 Tom_itx </lecture>
08:00 Helios I discovered burning sunflower oil is MUCH WORSE than burning delrin
08:01 Helios toxic level 4 reactivity level 3, formaldehyde is toxic level 3 reactivity level 0
08:01 Helios I'm trying to get some Safflower oil which has a much higher smoke point and an ir thermometer so I can keep the hot oil at about 180ºc above delrin's 175ºc melting point and I can turn this FREE scrap into STRONG GEARS all day long
08:02 Helios I may yet build my solar field
08:02 orlok http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/gamers-get-adults-only-r18-classification/story-e6frfku0-1226399228661
08:03 Helios My Dad was naughty, he let us play Doom when we were little
08:03 orlok Helios: not with Caesars goons hassling your men!
08:03 Tom_itx Helios, see how it shaped your life?
08:04 lok has just sarted playing F:NV a
08:04 orlok with all 4 addons, plus GRA
08:04 Helios Yeah, made me win a free graphics card in 1999 in an FPS LAN arena tournement
08:04 orlok on my new i7
08:04 Helios Now I'm shit at FPS, aged 28 my reactions are slow as fuck
08:04 orlok 1999, what was it, a TNT2?
08:05 Helios Voodoo 3
08:05 Helios It used the new AGP slot
08:05 orlok yup, i remember tose days heh
08:05 Helios 32MB of memory :o
08:07 Helios Doom wasn't nothing compared to the unbelivably realistic violence I've seen on people's screens with GTA4, seeing kids shooting policemen makes my jaw drop in shock. At least with Doom it was obviously pixels and fantasy, games now have become soooo real its scary that maybe people will think if its ok to shoot policemen in GTA4 maybe its ok to shoot them in real life
08:07 Helios Not that I like the police very much, but I have the common sense not to pull a gun on one
08:09 Helios It was a big leap forward from my 8MB Diamond Fire
08:09 Helios Now I got a dead quad core with a 1 gig graphics card
08:10 Helios The PSU is now my windscreen wiper motor power source and the PC's on switch turns it on, still haven't rigged it up to my makeshift H bridge
08:10 Helios Was scared I'd cook the arduino
08:17 GuShH_ Helios: I had a 3dfx voodoo 3 3000 with tvout... it was -the shit-
08:18 GuShH_ always wanted the 5, of course.
08:19 GuShH_ katsmeow-afk: so are you building a big boat?
08:29 Helios I remember I had a TV card to go with it, I could use it as an early webcam, 0.5 fps postage stamp image across the world via microsoft video conference
08:29 Helios the term webcam didn't exist in about 1997
08:32 rrywolf stretches out and y
08:34 Helios Good morning Furrywolf, I trust you slept ok
08:34 furrywolf no, and it's all your fault for rising too early. :P
08:54 e_mohr trips over a vowel while sleepwal
09:04 e_mohr thinks about the inertia of a slow moving
09:04 e_mohr thinks about the inertia of a slow moving
09:04 e_mohr thinks about the inertia of a slow moving tu
09:05 e_mohr thinks about scientific measurements of audio ampli
09:06 e_mohr thinks he's gonna be late for work if he doesn't hurry up and get his breakfast e
09:08 e_mohr thinks of 'normal' against someone who only does what their
09:30 rue_mohr well there is no doubt about it,
09:30 rue_mohr I have to go to work now
09:31 furrywolf cyas
10:13 saschi k/win go 3
10:39 rizlah Is the beagleboard a good starter, or are there cheaper pre-made boards available?
10:57 rizlah nvm
11:05 m_itx wonders why rue_mohr insists on repeating himself multiple t
11:13 Tom_itx rue_mohr, http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Bosch_releases_world_s_first_smart_lawn_mower-article-fajb_indego_jun2012-html.aspx
11:22 rizlah "Is PandaBoard a replacement for the BeagleBoard? While the boards are very similar in form factor, PandaBoard is not meant to be a replacement for BeagleBoard. PandaBoard was designed to be a vehicle for mobile software development, whereas BeagleBoard is meant to be used as a prototyping vehicle for product development. We expect to continue to see many innovations come out of the robust BeagleBoard community! "
11:23 rizlah TF is the difference between "mobile software development" and "product development", when they do the same thing?
11:23 rizlah That just industry buzz for "buy both boards?"
11:25 Tom_itx pretty much
11:26 rizlah BB is ~149, PB is ~180. Why would I spend almost the same money for a weaker board?
11:29 GuShH http://sparkbangbuzz.com/copper-oxide-te/copper-oxide-gen3.htm <<< neat
11:32 rizlah nice
11:35 furrywolf neat, but a random peltier and a couple heatsinks would make a lot more power...
11:35 GuShH but not everyone has a random peltier around !
11:35 GuShH I got 240mV from a single junction made with mains hookup wire
11:36 GuShH and a pocket lighter
11:36 GuShH couldn't measure a fraction of a uA though
11:37 GuShH the voltage is definetly low due to the input impedance of the meter, I should've tested with a scope
11:37 GuShH but you are putting a lot of energy to obtain a tiny fraction of power out
11:37 GuShH (enough to get the copper red hot)
11:37 GuShH now, as thermocouples go... I don't think they can be reliable either.
11:39 furrywolf yeah... all devices based on point oxide contacts (whisker diodes, etc) have a very bad "it works, then it doesn't" problem.
11:39 GuShH I've yet to try making a transistor out of a germanium diode
11:40 GuShH http://sparkbangbuzz.com/thermocouple/thermocouple.htm
11:41 furrywolf I should pick up a couple peltiers one of these days. all the ones I have now are part of things I don't want to take apart.
11:41 furrywolf I also want to make a peltier ant trap.
11:42 furrywolf experience at a previous house taught me ants will quite happily march into a freezer to die in a huge pile... put a can of soda in an insulator, sitting on a peltier and heatsink. leave it off, let the ants find the soda and start marching in, then turn it on, and let them keep following the trail then freezing. when the can gets full of ants, replace it...
11:42 ShH never played with pelt
11:43 GuShH furrywolf: sounds like a good alternative to nasty pesticides and crap
11:43 GuShH although those are "worker" ants
11:43 GuShH and the colony will remain alive
11:44 GuShH despite having a certain percent lower food.
11:44 furrywolf still hurts them.
11:44 GuShH lol
11:44 furrywolf and gets rid of the particular column of ants you put the trap next to.
11:44 GuShH I don't like ants, roaches, bats, snakes... if they mess with me they are dead.
11:44 GuShH oh mosquitoes
11:44 furrywolf I really hate mosquitos.
11:44 GuShH I guess fleas and all that as well should die
11:44 furrywolf big red welts that last for a week...
11:45 GuShH I don't know what good they are for the world.
11:45 GuShH at least a fly gets eaten by a frog... and the fly eats, well, other things.
11:45 Tom_itx they employ pest control people
11:45 GuShH haha
14:13 katsmeow-afk wow that was a good katnap, i wish i could save it
14:14 katsmeow-afk it was a long nap too, i'd use that one every night if i could
14:17 furrywolf :)
14:25 katsmeow-afk i have a small stack of hds on top of one puter, i just cannot justify powering up a puter drawing 130 watts to access the data on that drive, which runs at ~10 watts,, the power-up-down taking 5 minutes, the data retrieval taking 5 seconds
14:29 katsmeow-afk no one bought that 7603 in military clothes
14:30 katsmeow-afk evan at $15 and $30 s&h
14:30 katsmeow-afk with plugins
14:35 Steffanx And why you cannot justify that katsmeow-afk ?
14:37 katsmeow-afk opening a puter, pulling a hd from it, plugging up one of thse, pulling the bios battery to reset it, booting, unplugging a running puter from the lan to plug in the one i just opened up and booted, and finally accessing the data,, and then doing it all in reverse
14:38 katsmeow-afk the psu in these puters won't support more than 3 drives, and some won't do 2
14:39 katsmeow-afk heck, this puter, if i grab a browser tab and drag it around fast, the case fan slows down as the psu droops
18:26 katsmeow-afk geese, transfer 750,000 files and then it barfs and says "network resource not available"
18:33 Tom_itx hurray for boxes
18:33 katsmeow-afk more stackable than bags!
18:33 GuShH katsmeow-afk: any events on the katfield and mcdrug feud?
18:34 katsmeow-afk GuShH, it's not a topic-event-scenario which i strive to stay involved in
18:35 katsmeow-afk they do strive to stay involved, i was outside picking up pine cones, and dropped one about 4 ft to the ground, and it was sooooooooooo noisey that everyone of their dogs began barking
18:35 katsmeow-afk i was 150ft from the property line and their traielr is 60ft beyond that
18:36 katsmeow-afk but they just haveto have a say on everything, even dropping one pine cone
18:36 GuShH and if you get them poisoned it'll all point toward you :/
18:36 katsmeow-afk you know got yelled at in court for using the car headlites at night to drive up my driveway???
18:36 katsmeow-afk yep
18:36 GuShH what kind of mad place is this
18:36 orlok alabama.
18:37 katsmeow-afk for years after that i stuck a flashlite ouf the car window to drive my car
18:37 GuShH I would so dig a hole, get them all killed and plug the hole with concrete.
18:37 GuShH Personally.
18:38 rue_mohr for the record kat, you know I agree with GuShH
18:38 katsmeow-afk yeas sir
18:38 GuShH Well, it would be a lot nicer if they were still alive and thrown into the hole as concrete pours in.
18:39 rue_mohr entirely
18:39 katsmeow-afk i don't want to torture anything, i just want peace and civility
18:39 katsmeow-afk this isn't civilised
18:39 GuShH It'd be over quick.
18:39 rue_mohr war is all about achiving peace
18:39 GuShH For one you get crushed by the weight, but you also soffocate.
18:40 rue_mohr the quicker they die, the sooner you have peace
18:40 GuShH (citation needed, spellcheck needed, beer needed)
18:40 tsmeow-afk offers "girly dri
18:40 rue_mohr coolers?
18:40 rue_mohr 13%?
18:40 rue_mohr have any citrus ones?
18:41 tsmeow-afk points rue to the bottle of v
18:41 ShH stares at the g
18:41 GuShH so many colours! I feel gay already!
18:41 ShH races rue_mohr to the v
18:41 e_mohr eyeball
18:41 katsmeow-afk you can always add more alchohol, but you need to start with something that has taste
18:41 rue_mohr thats just cleaner
18:42 rue_mohr I'm gonna strat with an hour nap, go doa favor with my work van, come back and digitize a reel-to reel tape
18:42 rue_mohr then go to bed for the night
18:43 rue_mohr tommorow I'll have a day with all sorts of double bookings just like today, and tommorow, just like today, nobody will show up for their appointment and I'll have wasted the way waitng for people
18:43 katsmeow-afk digitise it with what?
18:43 rue_mohr my concluder
18:43 Tom_itx rue_mohr so you get paid for sitting on your arse?
18:43 katsmeow-afk <blink?>
18:43 rue_mohr no I was driving all over town
18:43 rue_mohr wait, so yes...
18:43 katsmeow-afk heh
18:43 Tom_itx but the company pays for the fuel
18:44 katsmeow-afk i was wondering
18:44 rue_mohr its ok of my 7.5hr day, atleast 1.5 was billable
18:44 Tom_itx and you get to visit the town for free
18:44 katsmeow-afk ouch, that's not good odds for income
18:44 rue_mohr I'v visited that road so many times that if I do fall asleep I'll still get to the other end safe
18:44 Tom_itx i'm not sure how to approach stuffing this box
18:45 katsmeow-afk depends a lot on the contents
18:45 rue_mohr use that new stuff made of starch
18:45 Tom_itx it's got an interior backplate to mount stuff to
18:45 rue_mohr its fun to dissolve in water
18:45 Tom_itx that would mean mounting the transformers to the back
18:46 Tom_itx which is ok i guess
18:46 rue_mohr I wonder when I'll get my balls back from china
18:46 GuShH o.O
18:46 rue_mohr bearings
18:46 Tom_itx you loaned your balls to china?
18:46 rue_mohr ball bearings...
18:46 katsmeow-afk it would be funny to drop it out of a plane in a square box, then bust a hole thru concrete when it its, then flow out of the box,, as if the empty carboard box punched a hole in concrte
18:46 rue_mohr I bought some on ebay
18:47 Tom_itx this is a heavy duty box though. i'll give it that
18:47 katsmeow-afk hmm, ok, i thought the loaning things was a Catholic thing
18:47 rue_mohr 10x berings I can use with 1/2" EMT
18:47 katsmeow-afk Lent, they call it
18:47 katsmeow-afk can't VBX send you bearings fromt he usa?
18:47 rue_mohr cheaper from china
18:47 katsmeow-afk or VXB , BVX, or whoever they are?
18:48 rue_mohr see what the quality is like, I wouldn't do this if I needed any quality
18:48 katsmeow-afk yeas, but fromusa it's 3 days, from china 3 weeks
18:48 rue_mohr not really
18:48 Tom_itx the lid is .078" steel and the backplate is .099
18:48 rue_mohr most of the time I get stuff faster from china than canada
18:48 GuShH the donkey goes as fast as it can, quit complaining! 3 weeks is fast!
18:48 katsmeow-afk you do know Canada is right outside your door?
18:49 rue_mohr seriosly, if my neighbour sent me a package it'd take 3 weeks and cost $54 to get to me
18:49 GuShH sounds like my country
18:49 Tom_itx that appears to be 13 and 14 gage
18:49 rue_mohr 14 and 13 respecivly
18:50 GuShH it's actually cheaper in some instances to order something from the US than it is to order it from downtown, if you factor in the shipping costs.
18:50 Tom_itx 13 and 14 the way i listed it above
18:50 katsmeow-afk Tom, i need pics
18:50 GuShH it was the case with some opamps I had to order..
18:51 GuShH there are no subsidies to promote local shipping, as there are in Germany and probably some other parts of EU.
18:51 tsmeow-afk shows GuShH how to make a oscope crt with a tv crt, a 4ft flourescnet tube, and an erlenmeyer f
18:51 GuShH where you can get a massive old scope shipped for 5-10 EUR
18:52 GuShH katsmeow-afk: pft, my current scope is better than that!
18:52 katsmeow-afk then why grouse about not getting scopes there?
18:52 GuShH because I don't get to have what I need or want
18:52 GuShH just shitty old useless stuff
18:52 katsmeow-afk which gave e a great idea, actually
18:52 GuShH at very high prices.
18:52 GuShH katsmeow-afk: 10-20 meg bandwidth scopes are rather useless for most things I do
18:53 katsmeow-afk ya know many scope crt will do 2x the rated bandwidth if you replace the deflection drivers with something faster?
18:54 katsmeow-afk the Tek 7912AD has been pushed to 2Ghz
18:54 GuShH yeah let's make a super linear couple amplifiers with a shitty scope for reference
18:54 GuShH this particular tube is rated 40 meg
18:54 katsmeow-afk ok, nm
18:54 GuShH katsmeow-afk: you can do it, when you have the equipment.
18:54 m_itx gets kat
18:55 GuShH katsmeow-afk: but mind you, triggering will also fail.
18:55 GuShH so you'd need a new trigger circuit, might as well design the thing from scratch
18:55 katsmeow-afk not with good tunnel diodes and ecl circuits
18:55 GuShH which you can't buy here
18:55 GuShH I challenge anyone to source tunnel diodes
18:56 katsmeow-afk you said you can buy new stuff, tunnel diodes and josephen junctions and such, and ecl chips, are all still made new
18:56 GuShH they aren't imported.
18:56 GuShH and no one makes them here
18:56 katsmeow-afk do so
18:56 GuShH most shipping to AR from anywhere but China costs a fortune.
18:56 katsmeow-afk smoose the local politicos, corner the market natonwide
18:56 GuShH If I were to enter digikey and try to buy a couple diodes, the shipping would start at $100
18:57 katsmeow-afk can you provide a breakdown of where that $100 goes?
18:57 GuShH fedex?
18:58 GuShH take futureelectronics.com, minimum shipping cost is 46 dollars
18:58 katsmeow-afk there's cruise ships leaving Miami for Aruba every week, pay a courier (furrywolf) to bring it to you n Aruba
18:58 GuShH for a 20 cent order
18:59 GuShH If I were to order a new scope, I'd have to pay 50% in duties plus I risk getting it stolen at customs, if not heavily damaged.
18:59 katsmeow-afk if he's carrying $1000 in parts for everyone in Argentian, it's worth it to you, make it happen, pronto! Andele`!
18:59 katsmeow-afk declare it personal property from your folks in Italy
18:59 GuShH Pfft do you see me using yankee stereotypes?
19:00 GuShH Plus "andele" is so Mexican.
19:00 katsmeow-afk i was showing off i can mix common spanish in english, screw it.
19:00 GuShH I mostly dislike them.
19:00 GuShH They're all fucking druggies with hemorroids.
19:00 katsmeow-afk mexican is what is here irl, not portugese or eu-spanish
19:01 GuShH beware of the texicans
19:02 katsmeow-afk well, if i fill my boat with 5 tons of old electronics and show up there visiting, i'd still wanna get paid for loading the stuff, and i won't unload it myself
19:02 GuShH my back sucks but I'd unload it.
19:03 GuShH katsmeow-afk: the way it works, you can say that's your personal property but in theory you ought to leave with the same amount of equipment you entered with, at least that's what I've been told by local "boat owners"
19:03 katsmeow-afk they search the boats of people leaving?
19:03 katsmeow-afk damnit, i got robbed!
19:04 GuShH I'm pretty sure there are places where no one is around...
19:04 GuShH katsmeow-afk: so wheres your family in all this?
19:04 katsmeow-afk i mean i showed up with all thebest boat nav gear, and someone stole it while i was in port!!!
19:05 GuShH lol
19:05 katsmeow-afk all 5 tons, si`
19:05 GuShH kitty face, pout, pout, wipe tear. Off you go
19:05 katsmeow-afk heh
19:05 GuShH It's credible, after all you'd be in Argentina.
19:07 GuShH At least it's not like Alabama.
19:07 katsmeow-afk my mom sides with the neighbors, said if i put up solar panels, he'd hear the PV generating power, SHE would come up with dogs and have me attacked for harrassing the neighbor
19:07 GuShH wtf
19:07 katsmeow-afk if i am going to steal from the power company like that, i deserve it
19:08 Tom_itx ok router reboot
19:13 Tom_itx yeah
19:13 katsmeow-afk you will wanna use washer on those studs, obviously
19:13 Tom_itx i think i'll mount the xfmrs to it
19:13 Tom_itx they are there but underneath for now
19:13 GuShH no vents?
19:13 Tom_itx so i won't loose them
19:13 katsmeow-afk what is http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink.jpg ?
19:13 Tom_itx i will add vents
19:14 Tom_itx it's a new smaller chunk of heatsink for the drivers
19:14 Tom_itx 11.5 x 3.5
19:14 katsmeow-afk umm, that rack of things is going into that box? won't it need compacting some first?
19:14 Tom_itx yes and yes
19:15 katsmeow-afk can i make a directive?
19:15 Tom_itx it's all gonna get reconfigured and rewired
19:15 Tom_itx mind you i may not follow but sure go ahead
19:15 Tom_itx i like opinions
19:15 Tom_itx i'm still tossing it in my head
19:15 GuShH just put the whole thing inside a big copper loop and discharge 1.21 jiggawatts.
19:15 katsmeow-afk ok, put those things making heat at the top where th eheat can get out naturally, and put the stuff that needs cool down low
19:16 GuShH convection!
19:16 katsmeow-afk that means transformers up top, where they won't heat the drivers
19:16 Tom_itx kat, i was gonna notch a hole in the side for the heatsink to stick out
19:16 katsmeow-afk i wouldn't
19:16 Tom_itx hmm
19:16 GuShH Tom_itx: don't let rue_mohr hear that.
19:16 GuShH he'll go on and on about not planning ahead.
19:16 katsmeow-afk the point of a box is to keep swarf out of the electrons, if you haveto fold the heatsink to make it fit, fold it
19:17 ShH hides his tiny
19:17 GuShH how much power will you dissipate, peak?
19:17 katsmeow-afk that's a nice looking box too
19:18 katsmeow-afk also, do not mount vents on top where stuff can fall into the box, vent to the sides with overhanging louvers and NON-flammable screen/filter material
19:19 GuShH katsmeow-afk: he needs to paint flowers on it too
19:19 katsmeow-afk better paint good dirt for them to grow in
19:19 GuShH dead gecko with a flower growing through it.
19:20 GuShH that's art.
19:20 GuShH but heres the catch, the flower is made out of metal.
19:20 katsmeow-afk yeas, it is
19:20 ShH would paint that if he c
19:20 katsmeow-afk metals make poor flour
19:20 GuShH it was milled.
19:20 GuShH then the gecko got killed by it.
19:20 katsmeow-afk Swarfy Flour!
19:21 Tom_itx i was gonna mount the xfrmers low so it wouldn't tip over easy
19:21 GuShH it's poetic
19:21 katsmeow-afk lathe turning flour
19:21 Tom_itx since i was gonna sit it on top of the mill enclosure
19:21 katsmeow-afk Tom, not to worry, mounting it to the wall will keep it from turning over
19:21 Tom_itx they really don't even get warm
19:21 GuShH what if the wall tips over?
19:21 Tom_itx i used it all evening last night and it was barely warm at all
19:22 GuShH but it wasn't in an enclosed space
19:22 Tom_itx and didn't have a fan on it either
19:22 Tom_itx which it will
19:22 GuShH you had air going across it either way
19:22 katsmeow-afk if the box gets hot, the drivers willf ail intermittantly and randomly, the mill will do strange expensive stunts, and the caps will die early
19:23 GuShH too bad the drivers themselves get hot, otherwise you could mount them in a separate box
19:23 katsmeow-afk CYA
19:23 GuShH CIA?
19:23 katsmeow-afk no, CYA
19:23 GuShH where you going!
19:23 katsmeow-afk Cover Your Ass
19:23 katsmeow-afk protect thy providences
19:24 ShH covers his b
19:24 katsmeow-afk do not allow future possibilities to mar your enjoyment
19:24 ShH really needs someone with a boat to bring him stuff, for a pr
19:24 Tom_itx i was gonna put the air opening down low on one side and put the fan up high on the other side
19:25 katsmeow-afk where the air flows is more important than the fan placement, but that's a good default start
19:25 katsmeow-afk i need to go do things irl
19:26 Tom_itx and keep the xfrmers down low
19:26 Tom_itx but you say that's bad
19:26 GuShH just because heat rises
19:26 katsmeow-afk going to be below 90F till Wednedsy, then possibly hit 97F from this weekend on till November
19:26 GuShH so anything from there up will suffer from a higher ambient temperature
19:26 Tom_itx it is a nice heavy box
19:26 katsmeow-afk if the fan gets the heat out before it cooks the electronics, item placement doesn't matter so much
19:27 GuShH if the fan dies....
19:27 GuShH you better have a thermal cutoff
19:27 GuShH isn't it overkill time?
19:27 katsmeow-afk note my item placement vs fans in my psu, the electronics get the cool air first, then the diode heatsinks, then the mot
19:28 ShH falls asleep on katsmeow
19:28 katsmeow-afk the caps and control electronics will be in clear clean fresh air, and the hotter stuff will be above them
19:29 katsmeow-afk i will bbl
19:29 GuShH bai
19:42 Tom_itx it's not something that gets used 24/7 anyway
20:44 katsmeow-afk well, it looks stupid to have 16 5gal buckets on the porch roof, but for what it is it looks good, and it fullfills the description of "container gardening"
20:44 katsmeow-afk and it might look better or worse when the rest of them get up there
20:46 katsmeow-afk GuShH , you know what a "screw shooter" is, or versions of the manual screwdriver that resembles a drill, but has a clutch and no drill bit chuck?
20:47 katsmeow-afk some 30 yrs ago someone gave me one, because the "bit chuck didn't turn" so they believed the gears were stripped
20:47 katsmeow-afk i have built this house with it, instead of using nails, , and used it a lot before i got here 20 yrs ago
20:48 katsmeow-afk i have *maybe* cut a finger using it 3 times in 30 years
20:48 katsmeow-afk when screws broke off
20:49 katsmeow-afk there was a guy down the road who was using one to put on house-type tar shingles on the metal roof of his mobile home
20:50 katsmeow-afk when i went to town, his hand was bleedng, i could see red and dripping liquid
20:50 katsmeow-afk when i got back, both hands were dripping blood, and there was blood all over the roof visable from the road
20:50 katsmeow-afk i had seen him shove the spinning screwdriver bit into his hand
20:51 katsmeow-afk i heard his cursing
20:51 katsmeow-afk he kept drilling holes in his hands till he couldn't hold the tool
20:51 katsmeow-afk he was THAT stupid
20:52 katsmeow-afk naturally, with that many holes in the essentially flat trailer roof, it leaked like a screen door, they moved out, someone else put a new roof on it
20:56 furrywolf I put a nice hole in my hand a couple months ago... was putting in a long (4" screw), and the head sheared off. got my finger with the bit and broken head.
20:57 katsmeow-afk Dewalt makes assorted lengths of screw holders that work great, i swear by them, but i know they cannot be used in all situations
20:57 furrywolf the heads of these screws are too wide to fit in one.
20:57 furrywolf I have several of them.
20:58 katsmeow-afk yep, seen that too, almost the only thing that fits the sleeved holders is drywall or "deck" screws
20:59 katsmeow-afk my whole roof (tin) is held down with V-shaped washers under deckscrews
20:59 furrywolf these were deck screws, but when you get to the big sizes, the heads are too large.
21:00 katsmeow-afk the washers gave me a V shape, a 1.25 dia surface on the tin, and let me use the screw holders too
21:00 katsmeow-afk umm, i have shot 6" long screws with mne
21:00 katsmeow-afk besides, chances are you can give the head a spin against a grinder and narrow them down just enough
21:01 katsmeow-afk done that too
21:01 rue_mohr so from what I can tell the recursive data structure is linked to the listed positional data by a string name
21:01 furrywolf eh, these are big screws, with T25 torx heads.
21:01 furrywolf they don't come close to fitting.
21:02 katsmeow-afk oh
21:02 katsmeow-afk predrill so the material holds the screw?
21:02 tsmeow-afk looks carefully at
21:03 furrywolf in this case, it was "don't put the screw in at a 45 degree angle while leaning over something supporting yourself with the same hand holding the screw".
21:03 katsmeow-afk oh
21:03 furrywolf I think I hit another screw as it was going in, and at the bad angle...
21:03 tsmeow-afk
21:04 furrywolf I had bits of shop towel and electrical tape wrapped around my finger for a couple weeks. you'd think people had never seen redneck bandaids before. :P
21:05 katsmeow-afk heh
21:05 katsmeow-afk yeas, i got asked so many times "what's that on your shoe?" "it's to keep molten steel out of them" , i gave up and changed shoes
21:06 furrywolf bbl, off to get food.
21:06 katsmeow-afk mine is nuking atm
21:07 ace4016 mine is baking! :D
21:07 rrywolf shares katsmeow-afk's food instead, t
21:07 tsmeow-afk tries to sniff ace's coo
21:08 ace4016 baked red potatoes cooked in olive oil and balsemic vinegar
21:08 katsmeow-afk yummy
21:08 ace4016 with some rosemary, garlic, salt, black pepper, and red pepper flakes
21:09 tsmeow-afk adds a lil butter and oregano, and maybe some rose
21:09 katsmeow-afk heh
21:10 ace4016 i had rosemary for the first time when i graduated high school...one of my favorite seasons ever since
21:10 rrywolf adds a whole bunch of curry p
21:10 rrywolf tops with Tepin pepper fl
21:10 katsmeow-afk too hot!
21:11 ace4016 hehe, i like spicy :D
21:11 katsmeow-afk hot != spicey
21:11 furrywolf ace4016: these tepin flakes have a pretty good kick to them. :P
21:11 furrywolf I also have ghost peppers (bhut jolokia) in the greenhouse.
21:12 ace4016 hehe
21:14 furrywolf I also have Moruga Trinidad Scorpion, but the plants are only 5" tall, while the ghost pepper has 3" long (but green and unripe) peppers.
21:14 katsmeow-afk wow
21:15 ace4016 i need to start taking better care of my lawn (mainly to grow a garden)...and myself >_>
21:15 rue_mohr n our in oz, its supposed ot be brown
21:15 rue_mohr grow bananas
21:16 katsmeow-afk grow rabbits ;-)
21:16 ace4016 bananas like warmer weather than what here provides I think
21:16 ace4016 i can't raise rabbits...too cute to eat :/
21:16 katsmeow-afk oh, you don't eat them, the gov pays you to NOT grow them
21:17 ace4016 heh
21:17 katsmeow-afk some parts of Oz are overrun with rabbits, you know?
21:17 ace4016 i have some wild bunnies that visit my yard anyways
21:17 ace4016 i'm in the US; never heard of rabbit problems...although that was in florida; don't know about NC
21:18 tsmeow-afk loks at rue,,, why'd you say he was in Oz? he's in
21:18 rue_mohr oh
21:18 rue_mohr he moved again
21:18 katsmeow-afk orlok is in Oz
21:19 rue_mohr damnit, tell them to stop switching name tags
21:19 rue_mohr orlok, I'm not impressed with this
21:20 tsmeow-afk ponders the best way to switch svga video: small relays, pin diodes, fet swit
21:21 rue_mohr I use a printer switch
21:21 rue_mohr 25pole tripple throw
21:21 katsmeow-afk the diodes need complex driver circuits
21:21 katsmeow-afk relays are large and make unterminated stubs
21:21 rue_mohr 25p3t
21:21 katsmeow-afk fet switches capacitance will add up and muffle the signal
21:21 rue_mohr rotary switch
21:22 rue_mohr sometimes youhave to wiggle a little to get the red
21:22 rue_mohr use a telco relay
21:22 katsmeow-afk i have 3 monitors under tiggr, i wanna add a couple for tv/movies/outsidecameras
21:22 rue_mohr dont let your sense of whats not right stop you from doing anything at all
21:23 katsmeow-afk so that's 5 outputs unless i wann aput a monitor in anotehr room, which i sorta doo
21:24 rue_mohr usea 4017 and a 555 to select the channel
21:24 katsmeow-afk and 12 svga inputs, maybe 5 ntsc inputs converted to vga , so i need a 17x6 matrix, switching 10 lines (yeas, 5 of them are ground)
21:24 katsmeow-afk a 4017?
21:24 rue_mohr hold the button down till the right combo of monitors comes up
21:24 rue_mohr I have a lot of 4013 if youwant
21:25 katsmeow-afk nah, a what-line-toggled-first octal latch(s)
21:25 ace4016 rue, i've had this nick ever since i've been in this channel; also, you've shipped stuff to me before :P
21:25 katsmeow-afk but rue, 17x6 x 10 lines = 1,020 switches
21:25 rue_mohr ace4016, DONT TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES!
21:26 ace4016 lol
21:26 katsmeow-afk orlok, you'll never win this
21:26 rue_mohr oh, a 10x6 cross switch?
21:26 rue_mohr 6 monitors 10 computers?
21:26 katsmeow-afk diodes have the lowest capacitance
21:26 rue_mohr you better use a bigger box
21:27 katsmeow-afk i don't have a box for it, iw as gonna glue them to the underside of the table
21:27 rue_mohr mind the metal brackets
21:27 katsmeow-afk right
21:27 rue_mohr ok, how many monitors and how many computers?
21:27 rue_mohr "happy feet" is keeping me artificially happy
21:28 rue_mohr whats that song, 1964?
21:28 katsmeow-afk 3 at least right here now to start, and 12 puters (me, Tiggr, and data processing), plus anything i'd like to add tomorrow
21:28 rue_mohr hmm
21:28 rue_mohr too bad I got rid of most of that HUGE serial corss-switch I had
21:29 rue_mohr katsmeow-afk, find a pile of 4066 on ebay
21:29 katsmeow-afk keeping in mind i don't want a huge rotary switch i need a gearmotor or pipe wrench to turn
21:29 rue_mohr but that would make it cooler kat
21:29 katsmeow-afk 4066 won't work at 400 Mhz (svga spec)
21:29 katsmeow-afk and 6 of them have enough input capacitance to clobber the signal
21:29 eadthem any issues with adding water to a SLA battery?
21:30 katsmeow-afk make sure it's distilled
21:30 eadthem what happens if its not and i dont care much about the battery
21:30 katsmeow-afk the battery dies
21:30 katsmeow-afk chloring in drinking water, and minerals, will kill it
21:31 katsmeow-afk clorine
21:31 katsmeow-afk klooreen
21:31 katsmeow-afk corine? coreen
21:32 katsmeow-afk salts from a water softener will kill it too
21:33 ace4016 (which contain chlorine :P)
21:33 rue_mohr a chlorine switch?
21:33 ace4016 sodium switch
21:33 rue_mohr eadthem, old ones ned it sometimes
21:33 ace4016 sodium-potassium switch
21:34 rue_mohr y9ou can weigh them against a new battery and top them up with water till their the sme weight, the trick is knowing which cells to add water too, a good guess is evnly
21:34 tsmeow-afk wonders how good Tom might be at machining aluminum d
21:34 rue_mohr eadthem,
21:34 rue_mohr ^ ?
21:34 katsmeow-afk him too
21:35 katsmeow-afk my paws are so sore, they are splotchy pink
21:35 eadthem ya im just adding till i see it so far all the water i have added has totaly been abzorbed
21:35 eadthem the battery is quite possably dead
21:36 katsmeow-afk so it's ok to do something to it that you know will make it dead, because it otherwise might be
21:39 eadthem well its not strate tap water its reverse osmosis so not distilled and not perfect
21:39 katsmeow-afk k
21:39 eadthem but im hopeing i can get some life in it
21:39 ferdna anyone here have walkie talkie experience? i would like to purchase a pair...
21:39 rue_mohr I need a recursive function to find the node in the structure tree, ugh
21:40 eadthem i figured between you katsmeow-afk and rue someone would know
21:40 eadthem at least conferm that im not gonna blow my self up:p
21:40 katsmeow-afk walkietalking for what band?
21:41 ferdna rf
21:41 katsmeow-afk duh
21:41 ferdna katsmeow-afk, i was thinking http://www.amazon.com/Midland-GXT1000VP4-36-Mile-50-Channel-Two-Way/dp/B001WMFYH4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1340070871&sr=8-5&keywords=walkie+talkies
21:41 ferdna or
21:41 ferdna http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-MR350R-35-Mile-22-Channel-Two-Way/dp/B001UE6MJ8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340072303&sr=8-3&keywords=walkie+talkies+motorola
21:41 katsmeow-afk CB, ham, aircraft, marine, business, etc?
21:42 ferdna aircraft, marine, business = expensive.
21:42 katsmeow-afk business can be as cheap as $30 per
21:43 katsmeow-afk yeas, the Midland GXT1000VP4 and otehrs like them are to replace the olde CB band walkietalkies
21:43 katsmeow-afk $60 is too much for them
21:44 katsmeow-afk also, keep in mind these little things eat batteries *fast* and do NOT like the lower voltage rechargeables
21:44 eadthem teh battery voltage has come up 1 volt sense i started
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21:46 katsmeow-afk i culd go on
21:47 ferdna looking
21:48 katsmeow-afk http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032071&sr=1&origkw=walkietalkie $20/pair , $60/pair , $55/pair , $100/pair, $30/pair, etc
21:49 katsmeow-afk btw, exelent for RC robots, i dunno why people aren't eating these thing up
21:50 ace4016 holy moly...didn't realize how expensive simple DMMs cost >_>
21:50 katsmeow-afk $6 is expensive ?
21:51 ace4016 not sure i'd trust a $6 DMM :P
21:51 katsmeow-afk heck, last yr(?) i got 3 for $3 each
21:51 ace4016 well...unless they're used
21:51 tsmeow-afk uses the $3 ones and sells them to ace for $5
21:52 ace4016 lol
21:52 ace4016 what make/model are they?
21:53 katsmeow-afk generic, made in diff skins for diff resellers, but there's some good lil dvm for $10 , and some betetr ones for $20
21:53 ace4016 i'm use to playing with "professional" stuff, so i don't know much about cost and what's good :P
21:53 katsmeow-afk the $10 ones i like will fit into pocket easily, the bigg one won't but has a capacitance meter and ac milliamps
21:54 katsmeow-afk a lot of people sell this one : http://www.ebay.com/itm/180786036244
21:55 katsmeow-afk it's a nice small to pocket fit, has backlight, transistor test, pretty simple
21:56 ace4016 lots of settings there
21:56 ace4016 o-scopes are cheaper than I thought they would be
21:56 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-DC-LCD-Digital-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Ohm-Multimeter-Test-/270999421972 sometimes you can get these for under $5, including s&h
21:56 rue_mohr oh kat
21:57 katsmeow-afk oh rue
21:57 rue_mohr i got some vid amp chips for exactly what you up to
21:57 ace4016 note to self; stay away from fluke
21:57 rue_mohr they dave a disable pin
21:58 rue_mohr my best meter is micronta
21:58 katsmeow-afk got 1,020 of them to start with?
21:58 rue_mohr the sync signals are ttl
21:58 tsmeow-afk still uses an olde micronta also, that thing must be 40 yrs old at l
21:59 katsmeow-afk sync is ttl but bidirectional, and the analog is 400Mhz
21:59 katsmeow-afk well, where tll = lvttl
21:59 rue_mohr its an auto ranging digital, and it can range and read faster than ANY modern auto digital meter
21:59 rue_mohr so use 4066 for the bidir and sync, use vid amps for the rgb
22:00 katsmeow-afk i don't have 100's of them that i can use for that
22:01 katsmeow-afk i think 4066 may be too capacitive
22:01 katsmeow-afk i don't like using them even at audio
22:02 katsmeow-afk putting 6 on each input line to switch it to an output, and more than 12 of them on each output, i believe the capacitance will kill the signal
22:03 e_mohr cur
22:04 rue_mohr who can help me fin creaking burrito folding instrucions
22:05 rue_mohr <rue_mohr> dont let your sense of whats not right stop you from doing anything at all
22:05 katsmeow-afk if i reduce the number of lines that require switching, i can use 2 dpst relays, and with 240 of them i can make a matrix of 20 in and 6 out, with freq maybe not a problem, for under $20 not counting the box, and not need any video amplifiers
22:06 rue_mohr would you make me a video onoff swithc with a 4066 and tell me how it performs?
22:06 katsmeow-afk i have before, in video equipment, and in audio equipment
22:07 katsmeow-afk the human eye sucks at seeing issues in 480p ntsc video, but the distortion in audio was heard by a number of humans
22:07 Tom_itx rue_mohr, fold the sides in 1", tuck the front over and start rolling it
22:07 rue_mohr IT CANT TAKE THE STRESS CAPTIN! ITS NOT FOLDED RIGHT!
22:07 katsmeow-afk the capacitive switching glitch not seen in the video was incredibly bad in the aurdio
22:08 rue_mohr ROLLING! WTF! NOBODY SAIDNANYTHING ABOUT ROLLING!
22:08 Tom_itx the sides become the ends
22:08 rue_mohr WHERE IS THE OPEN END?
22:08 katsmeow-afk that';s like ace, eadem, and orlok swapping nicks, isn't it?
22:09 Tom_itx to the back
22:09 e_mohr tries combinations of axis sets to make this description
22:09 ace4016 we've never swapped nicks >_>
22:09 ace4016 am i that forgettable? :(
22:09 rue_mohr ace4016, I'm not sure, who are you again?
22:09 katsmeow-afk lol
22:09 rue_mohr hows australlia?
22:09 ace4016 hehe
22:10 katsmeow-afk btw, the 4016 can be an ok replacement for the 4066
22:10 rue_mohr no, no axis set makes rolling logical
22:10 rue_mohr I think the 4066 has a lower Ron
22:10 rue_mohr ?
22:10 eadthem so a battery is hovering at 3 to 5 volts
22:11 eadthem its a 12v battery and when chargeing with 12v it draws 100mA no more no less
22:11 rue_mohr floating batteries!!! COOOL!
22:11 rue_mohr you should make a quadcopter out of that
22:11 e4066 looks scared at the floaty bat
22:11 eadthem guessing that means sense its not drawing current its dead
22:11 rue_mohr eadthem, 2V/cell, therefore you have 1 or 2 good cells
22:12 rue_mohr on a 12V battery, that means 4 or 5 shorted cells
22:12 eadthem and thers prob nothing that can fix the bad cells
22:12 eadthem shorted?
22:12 rue_mohr not that far gone
22:12 rue_mohr the lead comes apart
22:12 katsmeow-afk corrupted plate materials
22:12 eadthem so is it a lost cause
22:13 rue_mohr use it for edulation
22:13 katsmeow-afk the calcium etc falls out, the grid no longer is a grid, the oxides get mixed up, there's sludge at the bottom, it all needs medicare real bad
22:13 eadthem thats a ues
22:13 rue_mohr take a dremel cutting wheel, cut a splot around the top about 5mm down from the top, use a flatblade to pry it apart and dissect it
22:13 rue_mohr dont splash any in your eyes
22:13 eadthem ya im just gonna recycle it then
22:13 katsmeow-afk or on your best clothes
22:14 rue_mohr se how the plates come apart and just how junky they 'weld' them togethor
22:14 rue_mohr take it aprat! you will learn tonnes
22:14 Tom_itx what aluminum dowel?
22:14 eadthem i dont get along with sulfuric acid
22:14 rue_mohr to joint the plates togethor they cast a lead bar across the tips of them
22:14 rue_mohr they barely join much at all
22:14 rue_mohr eadthem, its not corrosive to me
22:15 rue_mohr just keep it off your clothes and wash your hands after
22:15 katsmeow-afk the 3/8 one i have that need to be .300 at one end, and have a .222 hole in the otehr end, and some other details
22:15 rue_mohr DONT MAKE ME DO IT AND PUT THE RESULTS ON HACKADAY!
22:15 eadthem its a BESTWAY 6FM-17
22:15 Tom_itx the devil is in the details
22:15 eadthem 12v 17AH
22:15 katsmeow-afk i didn't wanna scare you
22:16 katsmeow-afk you are gonna say something like "holey moley" when you learn the details
22:16 eadthem 6FM-17
22:16 eadthem err wrong keyboard
22:19 rue_mohr that not a big on
22:19 rue_mohr thats the same size as a 18Ah but cheaper
22:19 m_itx taps his foot impatiently while wai
22:19 rue_mohr I reccomand it with a 7Ah tho
22:19 e_mohr adjust the rate of toms c
22:20 rue_mohr k, wrong hummice, maybe nexttime I'll just get avacado
22:21 rue_mohr how does one take apart an avacado?
22:21 e_mohr looks for sc
22:21 Tom_itx slice it down the middle and scrape
22:21 e_mohr looks under the sti
22:21 rue_mohr ah! dremel operation!
22:22 katsmeow-afk here's not a bad listing for the hobbyist needing 40v to-92 transistors : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120930243916
22:23 Tom_itx ok i'm gonna have to get more taps tomorrow
22:23 e_mohr looks thru toms pile of broekn bits for any he can reg
22:24 katsmeow-afk they are only 200ma , but are fine for amps and driving relays and leds
22:24 m_itx gives rue_mohr the bottom half of the
22:24 rue_mohr :/
22:24 rue_mohr can you take it out of the block ah aluminum for me?
22:24 katsmeow-afk thepower user will want 2n40xx , good for 600ma
22:25 e_mohr tires to stick a punch n there to turn it
22:25 Tom_itx no, i drove it in like a nail so it would be flush
22:25 rue_mohr :)
22:25 Tom_itx no turning it out
22:25 Tom_itx i should have known better anyway
22:25 rue_mohr ok. I'm managed to keep myself awake
22:25 katsmeow-afk the hoarder can find 2n5401/5551 for cheap in 3000pc rolls good for 600ma at 160v
22:25 rue_mohr and as long as I keep repeating 'happy feet' I'll be ok
22:25 Tom_itx tapping with an air drill
22:26 Tom_itx i should have turned the air down a bit more
22:26 rue_mohr hahah
22:26 rue_mohr what tap size?
22:26 Tom_itx 4-40
22:26 rue_mohr OUCH
22:26 katsmeow-afk the olde MPSA92/42 pair are good for 500ma, but survive 300v
22:26 rue_mohr yea I do those by hand
22:26 Tom_itx it was chipped on the tip but i had to use it
22:26 Tom_itx i do too sometimes
22:26 rue_mohr I can do 6-32 with the rill with a 80% chance of not breaking it
22:26 rue_mohr drill
22:27 Tom_itx this would have been ok
22:27 rue_mohr you lightly sneeze and a 4-40 is usually snapped off
22:27 tsmeow-afk whips out a camera to take pics for
22:27 rue_mohr sneezing when your tapping something really small sucks
22:27 Tom_itx i have a special 4-40 i ground the shank down on so i can tap deeper with it
22:27 rue_mohr :S
22:27 rue_mohr not msall enough in the first place eh?
22:27 Tom_itx that's not the one i broke though
22:28 Tom_itx it's also got the tip flattened on it
22:28 Tom_itx for bottoming
22:28 rue_mohr bottoming tap
22:28 Tom_itx by me
22:28 rue_mohr yea I thnk I have a few bottomers I made from 6's with snapped off tips
22:28 Tom_itx so i had to carefully finish tapping with it
22:30 Tom_itx both of these have chips in the starting teeth. i should ditch them but they're all i got right now
22:31 Tom_itx prolly should get some spiral flute if i'm gonna keep tapping with the drill
22:34 eadthem charge current is comming up
22:34 furrywolf *burp*
22:34 furrywolf today's sandwich was 1.71lbs. :)
22:38 katsmeow-afk gotta relace batteries in camera, pics look fine
22:39 rue_mohr 12V 18Ah had to last a while
22:40 rue_mohr http://www.princessauto.com/pal/product/8039972/Sets/39-pc-Metric-Tungsten-Alloy-Tap-%26-Die-Set
22:40 rue_mohr tommorow that on sale for $20
22:41 rue_mohr I'm gonna get one and be nice o it
22:41 Tom_itx i don't need a full set
22:41 Tom_itx i get the ones i need
22:42 Tom_itx if those are tungsten be careful with them
22:42 Tom_itx they will chip easier
22:42 rue_mohr cheap, I know
22:42 katsmeow-afk i never thought i'd need a 21mm drill bit, but i did
22:43 katsmeow-afk wait, 13mm
22:43 Tom_itx tungsten is brittle
22:43 rue_mohr the trick is to start with a full set so you can replace the ones you break
22:43 rue_mohr with good ones
22:43 Tom_itx i got a full set of drills
22:43 Tom_itx a good set
22:43 Tom_itx then i got a smaller set of shit drills
22:43 rue_mohr I have a drill index
22:43 katsmeow-afk ditto reamers that fit the mill or drill (on VERY low speed)
22:43 rue_mohr and a metric set
22:43 Tom_itx i keep them for every day use
22:43 rue_mohr mmm, reams... dont have any of those
22:43 Tom_itx i get reamers as i need them too
22:44 Tom_itx for like $1 or 2
22:44 Tom_itx surplus
22:44 Tom_itx i look them over and get 2 or 3 at a time of the same size
22:44 rue_mohr you bastard, you have a surplus shop :(
22:44 rue_mohr :)
22:44 Tom_itx several
22:44 Tom_itx one for aluminum
22:44 Tom_itx one for steel
22:44 Tom_itx one for tooling
22:44 katsmeow-afk damn good price, i get mine from Enco and whatchamacallem
22:45 Tom_itx the tooling one always talks my ear off when i visit him
22:45 Tom_itx his dad started the place
22:45 Tom_itx his brother took over when his dad retired
22:46 Tom_itx he took over when his brother got in a bar fight with the cops and they shot him dead
22:46 rue_mohr !!!
22:47 Tom_itx you could always get a better deal from him if you went right after lunch
22:47 Tom_itx he'd be all soused up
22:48 rue_mohr this sucks, I dont have a function to give me a ponter to a node by name
22:48 rue_mohr and I have to use recursion to find it, so writing it sucks
22:49 rue_mohr I dont know If I can write code with temporal inflections right now
22:50 furrywolf my best friend's son was killed by the cops. they claimed he was attacking them, and had a weapon. then witnesses pointed out he had no weapon. then the cops claimed he was attacking them unarmed. then the witnesses pointed out he wasn't attacking them. then the DA ruled "all that matters is that the officer felt threatened", and refused to press charges. so they're still on the streets, free to murder again.
22:50 rue_mohr yea
22:50 rue_mohr thats a thing about cops
22:51 rue_mohr the truth about it is, if a sniper shoots people and dosn't turn themself in, they will never be caught
22:52 katsmeow-afk well, they can track the bullet grooves, and in some case they cantrack the powder residue on the bullet back to the seller
22:53 rue_mohr not if they dont have anything to compare to
22:53 rue_mohr someone who goes out and snipers once is really unlikley to ever get caught
22:54 LoRez katsmeow-afk: they can only track the grooves if it's shot somewhere else.
22:56 furrywolf the cops kept changing their story, to the best-for-them version they could get away with at any time. the DA is best buddies with the cops, so every time the cops kill people, they never have charges filed against them. and for some reason our legal system is so horribly broken that a single, biased individual is allowed to declare anyone innocent.
22:57 rue_mohr oooh
22:57 rue_mohr kats neighbour must be growing drugs on kats property and selling it to the cops, which is why the DA protects her neighbour
23:04 katsmeow-afk or giving it to cops, selling it to school kids
23:04 katsmeow-afk my paws are so sore, and red, and shiney where i wore the prints off
23:05 rrywolf sends katsmeow-afk gl
23:05 katsmeow-afk i was wearing gloves :-|
23:05 katsmeow-afk leather
23:05 furrywolf better gloves!
23:05 rue_mohr kat, do they have drug problems in the schools up there?
23:05 katsmeow-afk of course
23:05 rue_mohr hmm
23:06 rue_mohr what you say makes sense
23:06 katsmeow-afk the kids cannot get enough, the adults eitehr can't see it or think it's too much drugs
23:06 rrywolf thinks drugs are a symptom, not a pro
23:06 katsmeow-afk i agree, you need a reason to take drugs
23:07 rue_mohr broken education system
23:07 rue_mohr its pointed out in a video I wantching that schools are all listen andno interact, which disconnects most kids
23:07 rue_mohr and shop classes are being cut cause its too expensive
23:08 furrywolf they killed the auto shop program at one of the local high schools.
23:09 furrywolf I bought two brake lathes, two arc welders, a valve grinder, a valve seat grinder, part of a boring machine of some form, a tire machine, a tire balancer, and a bunch of hand tools, for $100.
23:09 rue_mohr wow
23:09 furrywolf they wanted the stuff out fast, because they were going to give the space to the pottery teacher - it was perfect, because he could plug the kiln into the welder outlets...
23:09 furrywolf so now students get to learn pottery instead of a useful skill.
23:10 ace4016 hey!
23:10 ace4016 pottery is cool
23:10 furrywolf I told the pottery teacher I'd give him $100 and get it out of their sight by the next day, and he agreed.
23:10 ace4016 and relaxing
23:10 rue_mohr its cool but its definitly less usefull or skillfull than auto
23:10 katsmeow-afk where did you put it all? still have it?
23:10 furrywolf the metal shop teacher wandered by during the stuff-removal process and had a few distinctly non-school-board-approved words for the pottery teacher.
23:10 rue_mohr but atleast it wasn't for a statistics class
23:11 ace4016 auto is only useful if you'r eplanning on becoming a mechanic....apart from basic care, there's not much else you need to know these days
23:11 furrywolf katsmeow-afk: it's all in storage, except the tire balancer, which is under a tarp in someone's back yard (unless he scrapped it on me), and the tire machine, which got lost in a house fire.
23:11 rue_mohr I'm sorry, the usa needs us potery more than car repair?
23:11 furrywolf and I gave one of the welders on a semi-permanent loan to a relative, for helping me load stuff.
23:12 furrywolf I never tested the tire balancer, as it needs 3-phase, and I lost the tire machine before I got around to converting it.
23:12 ace4016 the US is not lacking in car repair technicians :P
23:12 rue_mohr no its needs a good capacitor to make it run on single phase
23:12 furrywolf ace4016: the US is badly lacking in competent car repair technicians.
23:12 ace4016 also, high school isn't the last stop shop anymore
23:13 rue_mohr no up to highschool is almost useless for anything
23:13 ace4016 corporations...i mean schools want you to go to vocationl schools
23:13 furrywolf and auto shop is a great program for students that might not be book-learning nor artistic types.
23:13 rue_mohr youhave to go into tens of thousands of dollars of student debt to get skills to be hired as a fast food burger flipper
23:14 ace4016 yea, i don't like how they've gotten rid of a lot of vocational programs in high school in favor for pure academics that the majority of students will never use
23:14 furrywolf rue_mohr: I lost the tire machine only a month or so after getting it. :(
23:14 rue_mohr one of the restraunts here required a university degree for their waiters
23:14 rue_mohr for min wage? really?
23:15 furrywolf I didn't have space for it, and a friend had a big stack of tires (~50) he needed to swap around, so I lent it to him. someone accidentally and/or intentionally burnt the house down, my tire machine included.
23:15 ace4016 sounds like 1) they suck 2) bad economy 3) rethinking life 4) mixture of previous 3
23:15 ace4016 tire machine?
23:15 furrywolf the fire department decided it was arson, but couldn't find any clues or hard evidence. someone said they saw someone in it with a candle, so it could have been an accident.
23:16 furrywolf ace4016: a coats 4040a. http://www.panzittasales.com/images/usedEquipment/TireChangers_Coats4040A.jpg
23:16 ace4016 what does it do?
23:17 ace4016 remove/add the tire on the hib?
23:17 ace4016 hub*
23:17 furrywolf no one owned up to causing it, and no clues were ever found. he lost four cars, ~10 motorcycles, the house, his cash, and all his belongings,... so I wasn't about to tell him to go buy me a new tire machine. heh.
23:18 furrywolf it was a house-over-shop design, and when the cars and bikes on the lower level caught, it burnt so hot the fire department couldn't even make a dent in the fire until there was nothing left.
23:18 rue_mohr a solution to my S10 trucks tires was found
23:19 rue_mohr go with larger rims that are low profile, so the final tire size dosnt' change
23:19 rue_mohr than that fixs both problems
23:19 rue_mohr wth the rare tires and needing to adjust the spedometer
23:20 furrywolf run normal tires?
23:20 katsmeow-afk umm, not changing the OD of the tire = no ratios are changed
23:20 rue_mohr furrywolf, no, the tire size for my truck is obsolete
23:21 rue_mohr hard to find and expensive
23:21 katsmeow-afk if you need to change ratios, just switch to a taller or shorter tire, 78 series for instance
23:21 rue_mohr so if I up the rim size I can get tires that are available
23:21 rue_mohr Status_t BVHFindNode( bvhNode_t * this, char * name, bvhNode_t * result ){
23:21 rue_mohr unsigned int i;
23:21 rue_mohr for ( i = 0; i < (this)->childCount; i++) {
23:21 rue_mohr BVHFindNode(this->child[i], name, result);
23:21 rue_mohr }
23:21 furrywolf yeah, they don't make the original tire size for my subaru anymore either.... 185/85r13 is the biggest you can get, and they're damn rare.
23:21 rue_mohr return OK;
23:21 rue_mohr }
23:21 rue_mohr ok thats my recursive fn skel
23:21 katsmeow-afk oh, you do NOT want to chage ratio, but need different tires?
23:22 rue_mohr kat, are you old enough to be able to suggest me some swing?
23:22 furrywolf also, you can generally change the ratio by ordering a new gear from ford.
23:22 furrywolf or chevy
23:22 furrywolf or dana
23:22 katsmeow-afk chuck bassie?
23:22 rue_mohr yes, the tire size isn't really available anymore
23:22 furrywolf they're all the same.
23:22 rue_mohr furrywolf, :) I have a programmable module I can mess with
23:22 rue_mohr !assist iamges
23:22 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/iamges
23:22 rue_mohr stupid tobbor
23:22 rue_mohr !assist images
23:22 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images
23:22 katsmeow-afk tires are the problem then
23:23 furrywolf unless you have a non-standard transfer case, you can get the ratio-change gears... or a 2wd, in which case replace the truck and try again, if the transmission doesn't take standard gears. :)
23:23 katsmeow-afk get something close and non-pricey, then change the speedo to a programmable electronic one
23:24 katsmeow-afk man the heel of my right paw hurts to touch the mousepad even
23:26 furrywolf what year is your truck?
23:27 rue_mohr I didn't take pics of my DRC
23:28 rue_mohr oh yes I did
23:28 furrywolf what year is your truck?
23:28 rue_mohr 91
23:29 rue_mohr anyhoo, there are 8 switches that control the conversion rate
23:29 furrywolf oh, you already have an electronic speedometer.
23:30 rue_mohr yea
23:30 rue_mohr I had to fix the damned thing
23:30 furrywolf then why is there a problem? lol
23:30 rue_mohr a cap shorted and blew a resistor thats part of a shunt regulator
23:30 furrywolf up to '89 or so, you had to pull the cable and change the gear if you wanted to change the reading...
23:30 rue_mohr I jsut dont want to have to mess with it if I dont have to
23:30 rue_mohr furrywolf, how much you know about automotive?
23:31 furrywolf too much, but I've never adjusted an electronic speedometer, only a mechanical one.
23:31 e_mohr grabs furrywolf by the ankle and checks the wear on this
23:32 furrywolf I'm going to fix my tire availability problems by switching to 14" rims instead of the stock 13", but this is easier said than done.
23:32 furrywolf because my car has a unique bolt pattern with exactly zero aftermarket support.
23:32 rue_mohr what size are the rims on my truck?
23:32 rue_mohr isn't it either 4 or 5 stud?
23:32 furrywolf 15 most likely
23:32 ace4016 16"
23:32 e_mohr riases a
23:34 furrywolf it can be 4 or 5 studs, but the spacing (bolt circle) varries widely, from 3.5ish inches on small cars, to 5.5" 4-bolt on my car.
23:34 furrywolf then you also have 6 lug, 7 on some weird ford, 8 on 3/4 and 1 ton vehicles,...
23:35 ferdna i bought this but it is not compatible with my other stuff.. why?
23:35 ferdna http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100019500/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=universal+coupler&storeId=10051
23:35 e_mohr holds up furrywolfs h
23:35 rue_mohr wiener!
23:35 furrywolf ?
23:35 e_mohr tries a
23:35 rue_mohr winner!
23:36 rue_mohr 15"
23:36 furrywolf ferdna: universal means it fits either the standard "industrial" or "automotive" styles, not any of the other 47 styles.
23:37 furrywolf and it doesn't fit either of them well.
23:37 furrywolf and husky is fucking garbage.
23:38 rue_mohr find new axles?
23:38 rue_mohr anyhow I'll be interested to see how much new rims cost
23:38 furrywolf nah. I'm going to re-drill the hubs for toyota rims. :)
23:38 rue_mohr pff, engineering
23:38 katsmeow-afk ferdna, what you need to do is remove the connector on your compressor and take it with you to find connectors
23:39 furrywolf subaru used 4 on 5.5", while toyota is 6 on 5.5"... this means you knock out two studs, and the remaining two fit into the toyota rim. make the other four holes, drill, put in four studs... presto, now it's 6 on 5.5.
23:39 rue_mohr ferdna, I'm sorry, missed ya there
23:39 rue_mohr ferdna, always buy those damn things in matching sets
23:39 rue_mohr and buy as many sets as you will ever use
23:39 rue_mohr cause once you buy them they are obsolete and nothing else will ever fit them
23:39 katsmeow-afk and nail one to the wall , with the original package, for next time
23:39 furrywolf as long as you stick to industrial/milton or automotive, couplers are easy to get.
23:40 rue_mohr there are only about 1000 propretory brands to choose from
23:40 ferdna i see
23:40 furrywolf yes. but the industrial and automotive styles are, by a vast margin, more common.
23:40 katsmeow-afk proprietary
23:40 furrywolf if you pick either one, you will always be able to get more.
23:41 furrywolf if you pick anything else, you're stuck.
23:41 ferdna the industrial are the metal ones.... the automotive are the brass ones...
23:41 ferdna ive been told that the brass ones are better and produce no sparks
23:41 rue_mohr hahah
23:41 rue_mohr how many tims/how fast are you reconnecting to generate sparks?
23:41 e_mohr has to see
23:42 furrywolf the most important thing I've found with couplers is to get good american ones. chinese ones (harbor freight, husky) always leak.
23:42 katsmeow-afk you can make sparks with plastic, and slowly
23:42 furrywolf and they should have six balls, not three.
23:43 katsmeow-afk and long shanks, so they cannot be pulled sideways against the o-ring
23:43 ferdna ohhh
23:43 rue_mohr ever pulled scotch tape off a roll in the dark?
23:43 rue_mohr lightening show
23:43 ferdna i hammered one of my connectors into this husky one... now i cant pull it off =/
23:43 e_mohr snic
23:43 furrywolf ... user error.
23:44 rue_mohr persistant error
23:44 katsmeow-afk LOL
23:45 ferdna one of the comments on that same page... states that this thing leak...
23:45 furrywolf because it's husky, and garbage.
23:45 katsmeow-afk before or after hammering it?
23:45 furrywolf pick either industrial or automotive, change all your tools to matching plugs, then buy a few good quality couplers.
23:45 rue_mohr mine leak , but I leave them out in the weather and pull on them and step on them, it dosn't matter cause my compressor can stay ahead of it
23:46 furrywolf I use harbor freight couplers for infrequently used extension hoses and stuff like that, with real ones on my hose reels.
23:46 rue_mohr the diaphram in my regulator leaks, so it helps keep the pressure down to what its supposed to be
23:46 furrywolf the universal couplers _never_ work well.
23:46 ferdna so what a good brand for those things?
23:46 ferdna should i avoid them?
23:47 furrywolf a good brand for couplers? truflu, milton,...
23:47 katsmeow-afk i think he already told you what to do several times
23:47 furrywolf there are no good brands for universal couplers.
23:47 furrywolf change all your tools to one design.
23:48 furrywolf Aro...
23:49 ferdna too bad they only sell husky
23:49 katsmeow-afk not much sense building a house all the difefrent plumbings: PEM, PVC, CPVC, iron, copper pipe and copper tubing, so i dunno why you'd do it with air hose
23:49 furrywolf they probably means home depot. find a tool store, not a peon-supply shop.
23:49 rue_mohr I burried something about 1" udner the ground, hanv't hit it yet
23:50 katsmeow-afk i would worry if you had
23:50 furrywolf katsmeow-afk: I have automotive heater hose as part of my plumbing. :P
23:50 katsmeow-afk i was thinking of using some as pump intake hose, but i worry about the leached chemicals
23:51 furrywolf I used it as both in and out on my pumps, to dampen vibration. I'm using diaphragm pumps, which need some form of dampening.
23:51 katsmeow-afk praps i should use some of that cheap collapsing tube, and put a coil in it to keep it held open
23:51 furrywolf it'll hold 60psi perfectly.
23:52 katsmeow-afk but do you drink that rubber-tasting water?
23:52 furrywolf heater hose is surprisingly tough. it lasts 20-40 years of 230 degree, 13psi chemicals, while covered in oil and grime...
23:52 furrywolf no. I buy bottled water. at some point I'll get my reverse osmosis setup up...
23:52 katsmeow-afk i know it's tough, but it's non-drinkable, right?
23:53 furrywolf dunno. it's not specifically rated for drinking water, but the flexible rubber supply lines that are smell about the same...
23:54 furrywolf actually, the ones I'm thinking of probably aren't. they for hot water systems, which is usually not considered potable.
23:54 furrywolf they're
23:55 furrywolf http://www.cashacme.com/_images/products/sharkbite/flexhose.jpg those type.
23:56 katsmeow-afk oh, the PEM
23:56 furrywolf but, yeah, they're probably not for potable water.
23:56 furrywolf I have a number of those stainless braid hoses; the inner layer is black rubber.
23:56 katsmeow-afk i think all PEM is potable
23:56 katsmeow-afk oh
23:56 furrywolf I used them for plumbing my panels, so I can implement summer/winter tilt if I decide I want to. :)
23:57 katsmeow-afk that jpg looks like a water heater hookup kit
23:57 furrywolf then I have another stack of them for connecting to the water heater...
23:57 furrywolf yes, it is.
23:57 katsmeow-afk k
23:57 furrywolf I wouldn't drink heater hose water without filtering it first
23:57 tsmeow-afk
23:58 furrywolf my water heater is going to have a lot of connections, and flexible hoses will make it much easier to connect/disconnect them.
23:58 furrywolf rather than the people who use 37 elbows, gauranteeing the heater will never, ever be removed in less than 12 hours...