#robotics Logs

May 22 2012

00:22 rue_mohr so my plan to 1 up xkcd is to put clothes on my stick figures
00:22 rue_mohr building a web platform that even comes close to xkcd will be a problem tho
00:31 katsmeow-afk this is one weak transformer: 0.14v per turn
00:33 katsmeow-afk the lil one is 2.9 va
00:34 katsmeow-afk it has 2 30v windings, and it's only 2.9va
00:34 rue_mohr so tell me te new plan!
00:34 rue_mohr I'll listen! I promise!
00:34 e_mohr puts down a tape recorder and runs off after a butterfly
00:35 katsmeow-afk means the one transformer is good for only 48ma
00:35 katsmeow-afk the other has wire so fine, horse hair is thicker, it's gotta be 34awg
00:37 katsmeow-afk i think i'll nuke soemthing before the storm gets here, maybe
00:42 rue_mohr I'm out of power, gnight
00:45 katsmeow-afk ah ha!
00:46 katsmeow-afk 4 identical transformers from garage door openers, each with a ct winding, so i can make be two windings on each
00:46 rue_mohr mmm too bright
00:46 e_mohr reaches up and pulls the string beside the lightbulb above kats head thats emitting all the l
00:47 rue_mohr gnight
00:47 katsmeow-afk gnites
00:50 rue_bed hey kat
00:50 rue_bed so I wonder what my first cartoon will be!
00:52 rue_bed the trick is successfully transporting the ideas out of my head
00:52 katsmeow-afk ok, i can have 2) 22vac windings on each
00:52 katsmeow-afk yeas, neural taps aren't available yet
00:53 katsmeow-afk ok, 22vac = 30vdc, so i'll be running these with a resisitor in the primaries
00:53 rue_bed the xkcd stuff that goes thru my head is usually realtime and dosn't replay well
00:53 rue_bed this is for the fet bias supply?
00:53 rue_bed using +- 10V?
00:53 katsmeow-afk like mounting tampolines on the inside of those spinning artificial gravity drums at circusses?
00:54 katsmeow-afk i was going for -5 , +15
00:54 rue_bed k
00:54 rue_bed that should help with the annoying supplies you need to keep the opamps happy too
00:54 katsmeow-afk but at 30vdc, it's at the limit for 78xx/79xx regulators
00:55 rue_bed whats the current derating?
00:55 rue_bed down to about .1A?
00:55 katsmeow-afk so instead of feeding them 120vac, i put in a resistor and drop it to 80v or so
00:55 katsmeow-afk prolly
00:55 rue_bed too bad you cant tap 80 off the pri of the power transformer
00:55 katsmeow-afk i won't be running a cpu with thse, so that lets out the led readouts
00:56 tsmeow-afk s
00:56 rue_bed what?
00:56 rue_bed I meant off the primary
00:56 rue_bed autotransformer style
00:56 katsmeow-afk but lookie at http://designerthinking.com/benchpsu.html#bottom
00:56 rue_bed ok
00:57 rue_bed I clicked it, I'm waiting
00:57 katsmeow-afk all those pretty led readouts, and all the work to drill square holes
00:57 rue_bed its a project
00:57 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2018.jpg
00:57 rue_bed your supposed to sit down with a tea and work away at it
00:57 katsmeow-afk yeas, but but but but,, aweeee..........
00:58 rue_bed or
00:58 rue_bed cut round holes and cover them up with some trim of somekind
00:59 katsmeow-afk or...... and i won't like this much
00:59 katsmeow-afk ....
00:59 rue_bed your gonna want some shaded plastic over the 7segs anyhow, right?
00:59 katsmeow-afk put in another mot, with a few turns to beef up the main volts, and add the control windings this time
01:00 katsmeow-afk i don't have any shaded plastic for them
01:00 rue_bed I'll mail ya some
01:00 katsmeow-afk they will mount flush witht he surface
01:00 rue_bed I think I have some smoked stuff from an impact printer cover
01:00 katsmeow-afk they are real easy to see without the filter tho
01:01 katsmeow-afk course, they show white .... umm
01:02 rue_bed how did tek do it?
01:02 katsmeow-afk cover
01:02 rue_bed over or under frontplate?
01:03 katsmeow-afk over the leds
01:04 katsmeow-afk raised off the front panel
01:04 rue_bed hmm
01:04 katsmeow-afk my brain is shutting down, loking for a pic now....
01:04 rue_bed did they use a seperate transition trim or is it moulded into the glass
01:05 katsmeow-afk grey bezel holding red filter glass, and led behind that
01:05 rue_bed k,
01:05 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTRONIX-DC-503-UNIVERSAL-COUNTER-OPTION-1-/280881889728?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4165dd81c0
01:06 rue_bed so, whats plausable for your project, or do you want to
01:06 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-DC-504-Counter-Timer-/260988465646?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc41ff1ee
01:06 katsmeow-afk i was thinking red tape, the kind used to patch broken car taillites
01:07 katsmeow-afk cut with exacto to fit
01:07 rue_bed how about red celophane
01:07 katsmeow-afk isn't that what the tape is?
01:07 rue_bed holiday kind
01:07 rue_bed the glue thickness varries and there is more diffusion
01:08 katsmeow-afk oh
01:08 rue_bed the trick is that the bezel lets you get away with a slopier hole
01:08 katsmeow-afk true
01:08 rue_bed I like it when I can get away with a sloppy hole
01:09 katsmeow-afk i could run the tape, dark tape, over the whole top of the panel side to side
01:09 rue_bed more bits on the front tend to make it look better anyhow
01:09 rue_bed well, play with it!
01:10 tsmeow-afk s
01:10 katsmeow-afk costs keep going up
01:10 katsmeow-afk $5 transformers are now $9
01:10 rue_bed ... what did you need the supply for?
01:10 rue_bed general?
01:10 katsmeow-afk general anytings
01:10 katsmeow-afk made so i can series/parallel them
01:11 rue_bed yup
01:11 katsmeow-afk 15amps at 14v is a lot of supply, or +/-15 at 8amps
01:11 katsmeow-afk this is cheaper than ebay : http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102494
01:13 katsmeow-afk that would gimme -3dc / +12vdc at enough current to also run an avr to make digital readouts
01:17 katsmeow-afk http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/3M-1-7-8-x-60-in-red-lens-repair-tape/_/N-259w?itemIdentifier=500372_0_0_
01:18 katsmeow-afk rain is here
01:18 katsmeow-afk going afk to see tv if there are any tornado warnings and such
02:00 katsmeow-afk just rain
08:32 rue_mohr ah, not tuck tape then
08:55 rue_mohr http://www.officeandcommunity.co.uk/ItemGroup.aspx?ig=69697&cat=52854
08:56 rue_mohr cant find a soiurce for 1 roll
15:13 katsmeow-afk May 22, 2012 -
15:13 katsmeow-afk Counterfeit electronic parts from China are "flooding" into critical U.S. military systems, including special operations helicopters and surveillance planes, and are putting the nation's troops at risk, according to a new U.S. Senate committee report.
15:15 GuShH katsmeow-afk: I'm not surprised.
15:15 ShH predicte
15:17 iscsinoob http://www.tweaktown.com/news/24233/via_introduces_amazing_49_apc_android_computer_we_go_hands_on/index.html
15:20 Steffanx nice gadget iscsinoob
15:20 iscsinoob yeah I figure for a monitor
15:21 iscsinoob say serial moniotr for embedded device
15:21 iscsinoob remote control
15:21 iscsinoob simple apps
15:21 iscsinoob very nice for $50
15:21 katsmeow-afk it's a $49 version of the $25 Pi ?
15:22 iscsinoob yeah basically
15:22 iscsinoob more ram and flash though
15:22 katsmeow-afk afaik, i have no apps for Android, so i cannot move anything over to it from the desktop boxes
15:30 Steffanx Someone will hack it and remove teh andriod stuff
18:23 ferdna so i bought an igniter for my spud gun
18:23 ferdna however when i press the button i get shocked if i touch the wires
18:23 ferdna not bare copper... but insulated wire...
18:26 Tom_itx cool
18:26 Tom_itx bonus feature
18:27 katsmeow-afk so you are holding the gun with two hands, finger on trigger with the other hand, and holding the wiring (for some odd reason) with your 4th hand?
18:27 katsmeow-afk and have you considered the insulation on the 24,000v wire is not really rated for 24,000 volts?
18:28 ferdna Tom_itx, katsmeow-afk... lol
18:28 ferdna hmmm
18:28 ferdna the ignition switch is not installed
18:28 ferdna is just the switchand the red and black wire
18:28 ferdna they both are insulated
18:28 ferdna at the end is copper
18:29 katsmeow-afk why are you touching them?
18:29 ferdna cuz i need to hold them
18:29 katsmeow-afk you have odd "needs"
18:29 ferdna i am doing this in my bed... so i thought i could get the bed in fire
18:30 ferdna that i why i have to hold them
18:30 katsmeow-afk all things considered, i think you need to follow the instructions that came with it
18:32 ferdna look
18:32 ferdna http://www.lowes.com/pd_97311-451-4384638_0__?productId=3048048&Ntt=igniter&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Digniter&facetInfo=
18:32 ferdna that is the one
18:33 katsmeow-afk ah, and you do not see the relavance in it having only one wire from the switch to the "ignitor" ?
18:38 katsmeow-afk or in my question, i spose
18:39 tsmeow-afk goes
19:10 binarylegit anyone know of an online service that will make plastic parts (like cut them out of different types of plastics or whatever) easily?
19:12 Elleo binarylegit: I think that's the sort of thing http://www.shapeways.com/ does
19:12 katsmeow-afk zhanx knows, but he is afk atm
19:12 Elleo never used it them myself though
19:13 binarylegit anyone ever used ponoko?
19:14 binarylegit shapeways looks promising
20:01 rue_mohr katsmeow-afk,
20:01 rue_mohr http://hackaday.com/2012/05/22/win-40000-for-squirting-plastic-out-of-a-nozzle/
20:08 rue_mohr ok I need to write control routines for buddy
20:27 Tom_itx rue_mohr what is a 3�sec pulse in hz?
20:28 rue_mohr 1/3
20:28 rue_mohr .3333333333333333333hz
20:28 rue_mohr (sorry I rounded)
20:29 rue_mohr damn I have to go get the ip address again
20:29 Tom_itx trying to use my old controller with the new driver
20:29 rue_mohr ok
20:29 Tom_itx need to figure out the pulsewidth etc
20:29 rue_mohr 333ms
20:29 rue_mohr well 333.33333333333333333333333333333333333ms
20:29 Tom_itx not sure how many parameters i have to work with yet
20:29 rue_mohr still rounded
20:30 rue_mohr para meters
20:30 Tom_itx gonna try to get online in the garage...
20:30 Tom_itx no smoke is good
20:30 Tom_itx power on led shining is good
20:31 Tom_itx no error led
20:31 Tom_itx i may need to add a gnd wire
20:31 rue_mohr yay 192.168.9.130
20:32 Tom_itx what's that for?
20:32 rue_mohr thats buddy III
20:32 Tom_itx mmm
20:32 Tom_itx max frequency in is 350khz
20:32 Tom_itx 50A% duty
20:34 Tom_itx so if my pulse is set to 3 right now, what would be a better number to try
20:34 Tom_itx it's measured in �sec
20:35 Tom_itx i don't know what the freq is
20:35 Tom_itx but i think that may set the duty of it
20:35 Tom_itx i'm not entirely sure
20:39 inavat So I'm looking into robotics for the first time. I'm reading about a project that uses a linux beableboard for high-level functions like image-processing, and an arduino for low-level functions like servo-control. I'm wondering why you'd use the microcontroller for low-level functions. Wouldn't a linux system be capable of controlling servos and monitoring batteries and stuff like that?
20:42 Tom_L ok
20:52 rue_mohr inavat, have you ever programmed anything before?
20:52 rue_mohr robotsics is a 3 tiered disciplin
20:52 rue_mohr or a 3 desciplined tear
20:52 inavat Yes, I'm very experienced in C++
20:52 Tom_garage sometimes more than that
20:52 rue_mohr tier
20:53 furrywolf I hate batteries.
20:53 rue_mohr anyhow there is programming, electronics and mechanics
20:53 inavat but only developing user applications.. videogames and stuff
20:53 Tom_garage ok i'm afraid i'm gonna have to move this entire setup inside
20:53 rue_mohr furrywolf, hows your shoulder?
20:54 rue_mohr something is wrong here
20:54 furrywolf rue_mohr: shoulder is fine, it's something in my chest/ribs. hurts whenever I push down with my arm. seems to not be getting worse, so I'll assume it's ok. :)
20:54 Tom_garage oh rue_mohr, did you get your cereal talking?
20:55 rue_mohr Tom_garage, foudn the problem, I changed the protocol
20:55 furrywolf my batteries, however, are not ok. ups tripped offline on low voltage around ten last night, after batteries were >90% charged during the day. my load was about 10A. this means they store about 50AH instead of the 330AH they should...
20:55 rue_mohr there were old comments in the code that made me miss it till I started doing some heavy debugging
20:55 Tom_garage i wanted to test this the first time in the garage in case there was fire
20:55 Tom_garage :)
20:55 Tom_garage ever had that feeling?
20:55 rue_mohr FUSE
20:55 rue_mohr no
20:56 Tom_garage PLUG
20:56 Tom_garage close by
20:56 rue_mohr tho I'v had regret at not doing some thigns outside
20:56 furrywolf obviously we should all be like azoneberg, and build fume hoods, blastproof walls, etc, in our living rooms. :)
20:57 rue_mohr usually when there are burning cinders of tantulum caps all over the bench
20:57 Tom_garage i gotta get the step rate figued out on this but i don't have a clue what the old controller is putting out except that 3usec pulse
20:58 furrywolf tantalum caps make a very nice boom.
20:58 Tom_garage ok i verified the stepper
20:58 rue_mohr esp when you power them backwards at twice their rated voltage cause you have the wrong bus
20:58 Tom_garage the signal isn't right i know that
20:58 rrywolf checks katsmeow-afk's kitchen for di
20:58 e_mohr puts out a bowl of b
20:58 furrywolf simply powering them backwards will make them pop, doesn't even need to be over their rated voltage.
20:59 rue_mohr instant rain of burning cinders all over the shop
20:59 rue_mohr 'that wasn't the 5V bus, that was -24V'
20:59 furrywolf heh, that'll do it alright.
21:00 Tom_garage the psu seems good
21:00 Tom_garage it drains off nicely when powered off
21:00 Tom_garage i think the drivers help that out
21:01 Tom_garage the lights dim when it comes on
21:01 Tom_garage :)
21:01 furrywolf it's easy to make my lights dim. they're on a 1000va inverter, along with pretty much everything else in the house. :)
21:05 Tom_garage ok i think i'm takin it inside to test
21:07 katsmeow-afk Tom, a soft start circuit is easy
21:08 rrywolf hops on kat's lap, slowly at f
21:09 tsmeow-afk hopes furrywolf is feelin
21:10 furrywolf meh. my back hurts from attempting to move a table that was too heavy for me, my breast hurts from twisting the wrong way loading firewood, and my allergies are really fucking bad this year. but otherwise feeling ok.
21:11 rue_mohr I need to clean up a 1kva for the mecha
21:11 rue_mohr what you allergic to?
21:12 furrywolf however, the slowly hopping on your lap was a joke about the soft start circuit, not my not feeling well.
21:12 furrywolf grass, trees, flowers,...
21:14 furrywolf and, meh, I've got work at 10:30 tonight.
21:20 inavat could anyone help me out with my earlier question?
21:20 katsmeow-afk i was waiting on the next one
21:21 inavat the next one won't be as good
21:37 furrywolf damnit! internet connection just went into suck mode.
21:42 tsmeow-afk stops talking to herself
21:50 furrywolf back. stupid fucking piece of shit connection.
21:59 tsmeow-afk sttttrrreeeeeeeeeeeeetttcchhhees
22:00 rue_mohr wireless?
22:00 Tom_itx ok what's the frequency of a pulse with a width of 40000 nanoseconds?
22:00 furrywolf yes
22:01 Tom_itx 12.5 khz?
22:01 rue_mohr 40000 ns is 40ms is .04 s
22:01 rue_mohr 1/0.04 Hz
22:01 Tom_itx wait..
22:01 rue_mohr I think there is a 2
22:01 Tom_itx no, total 80 us
22:02 Tom_itx the high and low are 40000
22:02 Tom_itx 12.5khz?
22:02 rue_mohr 80us or 40ms?
22:03 Tom_itx start over. it was 40 us pulse and 40 us space for a total of 80 us period
22:03 rue_mohr 1/80u Hz
22:03 Tom_itx 12.5 khz?
22:04 rue_mohr I dont have a calcualtor
22:04 rue_mohr TOBBOR!
22:08 katsmeow-afk need moe info, like Tom said
22:09 katsmeow-afk 40us high and 40us low = 80us, or 12.5khz
22:09 Tom_itx right?
22:09 Tom_itx ok thanks
22:09 Tom_itx max is 350khz on this driver
22:09 Tom_itx so i'm good
22:10 Tom_itx i don't know what the old controller put out
22:10 furrywolf You have: 80us
22:10 furrywolf You want: hz
22:10 furrywolf reciprocal conversion
22:10 furrywolf * 12500
22:10 furrywolf units++ :)
22:10 Tom_itx or just ask you
22:10 katsmeow-afk if it's adjustable while it's running, and you want max torque, tweak the freq for max current to motors while under load
22:11 Tom_itx kat, it's got a dsp on each driver
22:11 Tom_itx it does that by itself
22:11 katsmeow-afk i don't care
22:11 Tom_itx i set a pot for minimum rpm smoothness
22:12 katsmeow-afk k
22:12 Tom_itx and maximum high rpm torque
22:12 Tom_itx but i hear what you're saying
22:13 tsmeow-afk was saying if the pulse is too short the coils in the stepper won't allow max current to flow before the controller shuts off that p
22:13 Tom_itx oh
22:13 Tom_itx i agree
22:14 katsmeow-afk inductances : apply voltage, wait a while for current to flow
22:14 Tom_itx yeah you gotta find that sweet spot for a particular motor
22:15 furrywolf that's why you need higher voltage.
22:15 katsmeow-afk capacitances : gotta dump current in to dis/charge the cap before it will let the voltage change
22:23 rue_mohr the more I write this software the more i
22:23 rue_mohr am SURE I'd done this before
22:24 katsmeow-afk glitchy tme machine controls?
22:24 katsmeow-afk time
22:26 furrywolf does rue ever make sense?
22:27 rue_mohr ;) no
22:28 furrywolf well, try. :P
22:28 rue_mohr but honestly, its not me who dosn't make sense
22:29 katsmeow-afk sometmes you haveto adjust the sense to get out of the box anyhow
22:29 rue_mohr I'm sure I'm not the only one who can see the nonsense for what it is
22:29 rrywolf contemplates asking kats to translate ruemohrese to eng
22:30 rue_mohr although most of the time its a lack of anything where there should be something
22:30 furrywolf blah, and internet connection is getting worse... probably going to drop off again.
22:30 e_mohr throws furrywolf a parac
22:31 furrywolf packet loss up to 30% from 4%.
22:31 e_mohr looks around for his bag of pots and pans
22:31 rue_mohr damnit...
22:32 katsmeow-afk http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/may/21/tva-investigating-hangmans-noose-at-browns-ferry/
22:33 rue_mohr hah, their gonna employ a pile of protocols to ensure it cant happen again
22:34 rue_mohr I forgot to buy steel header plate to make a cope n drag from
22:35 furrywolf well, if you're not going to tell me what you're talking about, I'm going to wander off and do other things.
22:36 rue_mohr gnight
22:36 tsmeow-afk isn't all
22:44 rrywolf decides rue isn't a nice person, and goes back to arguing with pdf fi
22:47 rue_mohr thats what I get for being unobtruscive
22:48 katsmeow-afk why won't you be obtrusive, damnit???
22:48 rue_mohr cause I think its rude
22:48 furrywolf you won't tell me what you're talking about, and think that isn't rude?
22:48 katsmeow-afk what are you not being obtrusive BAOUT ?
22:48 katsmeow-afk o
22:48 rue_mohr there are some things language completely fails us at
22:49 tsmeow-afk stepped i
22:49 rue_mohr I didn't ask, I asked if I could ask
22:50 rue_mohr is that wrong?
22:50 katsmeow-afk umm, ok,, what was the topic of the asking that didn't happen?
22:50 rue_mohr the question thats been going around for 2 days now
22:50 rue_mohr the one your sure of the answer to
22:50 Tom_itx only noobs ask to ask
22:51 katsmeow-afk the topic with an 'x' in it?
22:51 rue_mohr yes but I aksed to asked by asking if I would get an answer!
22:51 rue_mohr yes
22:51 Tom_itx what was the original question?
22:52 rrywolf is still wondering what the fuck all this "glass jar" stuff is, why rue drew a sad-looking picture of the wolfy, and why he won't explain what it
22:52 katsmeow-afk "glass jar" is social shield, uninvolvement
22:52 rrywolf even googled "expression person being under glass jar" and didn't find anyt
22:53 tsmeow-afk just told you, sans go
22:54 rue_mohr I know I wrote this code before
22:55 rue_mohr furrywolf, wouldn't talk to me and now he's angry at me
22:56 furrywolf ... I'm angry at you for saying things without explaining them. and I don't recall not talking to you.
22:56 katsmeow-afk did i do any good at all by translating?
22:56 rue_mohr ok but you didnt reply to msgs for 2 days...
22:56 rue_mohr this is my fault
22:57 Tom_itx furrywolf you've been around here quite a bit lately but seem new here at least to me
22:57 Tom_itx where are you?
22:57 rue_mohr how can I be so profissiant at this?
22:57 furrywolf Tom_itx: I used to be here quite a bit.
22:57 furrywolf you mean I don't talk when I'm not here?
22:57 Tom_itx under a different nick?
22:57 rue_mohr your smart, I'm glad your back
22:57 furrywolf I haven't had internet for two days.
22:57 rue_mohr Tom_itx, you dont remember furrywolf making the encoder maker page?
22:58 rue_mohr back years ago
22:58 Tom_itx no
22:58 Tom_itx hmm
22:58 rue_mohr beat me into the ground for who could do it first?
22:58 Tom_itx i guess my mind is gone
22:58 rue_mohr you dont remember the encoder maker on bushytails?
22:58 furrywolf I don't remember writing it. my memory sucks. heh.
22:59 Tom_itx just curious where you're from
22:59 rue_mohr you entered the line count, and it made the encoder and mask in pdf?
22:59 furrywolf it makes images, not pdfs.
22:59 rue_mohr is this history or do I have one HELL of an imagination?????
22:59 furrywolf it's history.
22:59 furrywolf and it's still online. :)
22:59 rue_mohr wasn't it postscript?
22:59 Tom_itx i remember one i got off srs
23:00 rue_mohr this was better
23:00 furrywolf no, the postscript one is someone else's.
23:00 rue_mohr you can enter the line count
23:00 rue_mohr http://ruemohr.org
23:00 Tom_itx ok so your point?
23:00 rue_mohr I'M NOT CRAZY DAMNIT
23:00 Tom_itx i could debate that
23:00 Tom_itx at least one of you is
23:00 e_mohr rocks back and forth in his chair uttering 'I'm not cra
23:01 furrywolf rue_mohr: because I have a very, very unreliable connection, I connect through a bouncer. this means my nick is still on here, even if I got disconnected.
23:01 furrywolf because znc is a piece of crap, most things that get sent while I'm not connected, I never see.
23:01 e_mohr rocks back and forth in his chair uttering 'I'm not cra
23:02 rue_mohr http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.html <--DOES THIS NOT RING A BELL!?
23:02 furrywolf http://fw.bushytails.net/encoder/encoderwheel.html
23:02 Tom_itx ok, enough for tonight. i was hoping to be able to use my original control on these but i'm not sure it will drive them
23:02 furrywolf lol, you beat me to it.
23:03 Tom_itx i remember the period but i don't remember that page
23:04 Tom_itx period when you were wanting an encoder...
23:04 furrywolf I have a really bad memory. :(
23:04 Tom_itx so you must be wanting another one
23:04 furrywolf I remember little bits of writing it, getting pissed off at the graphics library for not having a working filled arc function (the one it has is broken), but I don't remember why I wrote it, or anyone else who was here then.
23:05 furrywolf I have a hard time remembering anything much over a year past... and that's not a specific date; I remember a day less every day, or so.
23:05 rue_mohr tobbor remembers all
23:05 furrywolf I don't remember most of my friends. :(
23:05 rue_mohr +- a few bad days
23:06 furrywolf I know I had friends here then...
23:06 rue_mohr you still do...
23:06 furrywolf every time I go to remember anything in the past, I think I remember it, then as soon as I actually think about it, it's the mental equivalent of a 404.
23:09 rrywolf curls up on kat in a sad wolfy
23:09 rue_mohr the wolf was comfortable, not sad
23:09 rue_mohr you projected the sadness
23:10 Tom_itx rue how do you remove a user in linux?
23:10 rue_mohr userdel or deluser, I cant remember
23:10 Tom_itx does it del his files?
23:10 rue_mohr not by default
23:11 Tom_itx can i chown them to another user?
23:11 furrywolf I'm sad because I just realized I can't remember ANYONE who was in the channel when I wrote that encoder generator.
23:11 tsmeow-afk pets the furry between solde
23:11 rue_mohr yes, recursivly
23:11 furrywolf yet another missing block from my memory
23:11 furrywolf I remember I was in here, and that's it. :(
23:11 katsmeow-afk hence, irc logs automatically
23:12 furrywolf I don't have any logs.
23:12 tsmeow-afk decides to make the new transformer leads 2ft
23:13 rue_mohr tahts good for an extra turn
23:13 rue_mohr #robotics-2005-08-19.html:04:16:28: ......furrywolf:http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.html
23:13 katsmeow-afk it's good enough to get across tot he otehr side of the box, the long way
23:13 rue_mohr !thislog
23:13 tobbor This one: http://rueshouse.dyndns.org:82/~ircjunk/irclogs/html/%23robotics-2012-05-23.html
23:14 rue_mohr http://rueshouse.dyndns.org:82/~ircjunk/irclogs/html/%23robotics-2005-08-19.html
23:15 rue_mohr ^^^ furrywolf
23:15 rue_mohr ?
23:15 rue_mohr last link
23:15 furrywolf don't remember that. at all. :(
23:15 rue_mohr you dont ahve to, tobbor remembers for you
23:17 furrywolf I remember the bit about being pissed off at gd's worthless arc function...
23:19 furrywolf I regret not keeping logs, but I still don't... bleh.
23:19 rue_mohr its ok! tobbor keeps them for you!
23:19 katsmeow-afk quick, download all those from tobor :-)
23:19 furrywolf most people I knew then, I wouldn't even recognize if they started talking to me.
23:19 furrywolf rue_mohr: I've been in ~75 channels on ~5 networks regularly.
23:20 tsmeow-afk cannot remember names or faces an
23:20 furrywolf then something happens and I'm off irc for a while, then I never go back to the same places, because I can't remember anyone there, why I was there, or anything else, and I might as well be going to a completely new place.
23:21 katsmeow-afk but you filtered out the crap and came back to here :-)
23:21 furrywolf I've already forgotten why I joined here again.
23:21 furrywolf even though it was, what, 1-2 months ago?
23:22 rue_mohr you must be in the right place then
23:22 furrywolf presumably I had some robotics question.
23:22 rue_mohr I'm glad you keep comming
23:22 katsmeow-afk no, this time it was hydraulics
23:22 rue_mohr back
23:23 furrywolf wow, theBear was here then?
23:23 furrywolf I should just give up on irc.
23:23 rue_mohr yup
23:23 rue_mohr why?
23:23 furrywolf I really can't remember any of that. :(
23:23 rue_mohr dosnt matter
23:23 furrywolf I thought I met theBear when I got back here.
23:23 katsmeow-afk in a way, it doesn't matter
23:24 katsmeow-afk and, if you *stay*, then it's continuous, no chance to forget
23:24 rue_mohr if you leave you will forget and come back again
23:24 rue_mohr :)
23:24 rue_mohr and nothing I said to piss you off will be remembered
23:24 rue_mohr hey I like this
23:24 rue_mohr I can say anything and its of limited damage
23:25 furrywolf katsmeow-afk: the times I've been off irc have been because of moving, people dieing, etc.
23:25 furrywolf katsmeow was here too?!
23:26 furrywolf meh :(
23:26 katsmeow-afk i was!?
23:26 rue_mohr it was curling up in your lap even back then
23:26 tsmeow-afk can be comfy to be around when one gets to know
23:27 furrywolf katsmeow-afk: hrmm, sorry, seems I knew you and have completely forgotten you. I thought I met you when I joined here just a couple months ago. :(
23:29 furrywolf ... reading that log, I said that I didn't remember then why I came there!
23:29 furrywolf wtf
23:29 furrywolf I can't even remember not rembering.
23:30 rue_mohr I dont know if you were here before that, 2005 is about as far as tobbor goes back
23:31 katsmeow-afk i didn't remember too, but my life has also been screwed up the last 1.5 decades
23:31 rue_mohr too bad we lost puff-n-stuff and rifraf
23:32 furrywolf I don't remember if I was here before, then, or after...
23:33 katsmeow-afk i think i joined first time:
23:33 katsmeow-afk Session Start: Fri Feb 04 02:24:11 2005
23:33 katsmeow-afk [02:24] *** Now talking in #robotics
23:33 katsmeow-afk [02:24] 02:24:11am 02/04/05 Friday
23:33 furrywolf I've pretty much given up on learning anything... can't remember any of it, no point in bothering.
23:33 furrywolf now I just work all day
23:33 rue_mohr your link was mentioned in 2005, 2006 2007 2009 and 2012
23:33 katsmeow-afk you remember how to build a bench, that's useful
23:35 rue_mohr logs show you here in 2005,
23:35 rue_mohr we talked about you in 2006 2007 2009
23:36 rue_mohr and you came back (and spoke) 2012-04-04
23:36 rue_mohr saying
23:36 rue_mohr I'm looking for books, papers, or other references on hydraulic pump design, for a robotics application. Any suggestions? I need information on actually designing a pump (clearences of rotating s
23:36 rue_mohr urfaces that ride on a fluid film, etc), not how to select and install a commercial unit, nor hydraulic system design in general...
23:36 katsmeow-afk does anyone remember where the nails are that i used to mix epoxy with yesterday?
23:36 furrywolf stuck firmly to whatever you set them on.
23:37 rue_mohr katsmeow-afk, their on something flat
23:37 tsmeow-afk uses a small screwdriver
23:37 rue_mohr #robotics-2012-04-06.html:04:24:33: ......rue_house:furrywolf, your back again...
23:38 furrywolf 2005... that must have been when a relative died, and I ended up spending all my time dealing with that, with no irc.
23:38 furrywolf I can't remember that either.
23:40 rue_mohr you like building things, this is a good trait
23:41 furrywolf except most of them never get done, because of a lack of time, money, or brains.
23:41 rue_mohr I AM SURE I WROTE THIS CODE BEFORE AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF I CAN FIND IT ANYWHERE
23:41 rue_mohr thats ok
23:41 rue_mohr thats 'experiance'
23:41 furrywolf and if I don't finish them when I start them, they never get finished, as I forget everything I learned.
23:41 furrywolf experience has no value if you forget it all.
23:41 rue_mohr projects require just the right mix to reach critical mass and get finished
23:42 rue_mohr but I'll bet every project you encounter atleast one problem you solve
23:42 furrywolf and then forget about.
23:42 furrywolf I can't believe I forgot that I knew kat and bear. :(
23:42 rue_mohr no, it becomes a part of your instinct
23:46 rrywolf should go off to bed and cry or something, but has work in an
23:47 rue_mohr I'll intend to draw you a really happy wolf
23:48 rue_mohr I know I'v coded this before...
23:48 skimocha http://bash.org/?309397
23:48 rue_mohr GoInG CrAzY HeRe
23:49 tsmeow-afk lets the epoxy dry, in thetransformer, on the vise, on the table, on the screwdriver, on her paws, on this keybd,
23:52 katsmeow-afk goodie, ohmmeter says no obvious shorts
23:55 rrywolf curls up on kat's lap and s
23:56 skimocha luskwood
23:57 tsmeow-afk pets the wolfie ge
23:58 furrywolf :)
23:59 tsmeow-afk glances at skim
23:59 katsmeow-afk i never been on 2nd life