#robotics Logs
May 15 2012
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00:00 katsmeow-afk Johnny Depp was on Jimmy Kimmel
00:00 katsmeow-afk on his show
00:02 rrywolf doesn't have
00:02 katsmeow-afk i think people do not realise Depp lives in his characters, it's real life that's the difficult acting
00:02 katsmeow-afk you aren't missing much, i am missing the one desktop puter that has sound, because i have not reconnected it yet
00:03 katsmeow-afk there's a few shows available from the tv networks online, and since i can get only abc on tv, there is really very little to watch on tv
00:03 furrywolf I just don't like tv... nothing but stupidity.
00:04 katsmeow-afk sometimes it's an ok tradeoff
00:04 katsmeow-afk some times when i just must get my shoes off and my feet up
00:05 katsmeow-afk watching tv under duress, you might say
00:05 rue_mohr katsmeow-afk, can I yiff your tail too?
00:05 tsmeow-afk wonders what's withher tail to
00:06 rue_mohr oh I'm just breaking down
00:06 rue_mohr being this alone is getting to me
00:06 rue_mohr I hope its just a phase
00:07 furrywolf adopt a kitten?
00:07 rue_mohr I dont want to get rude and my restraint is slipping
00:07 katsmeow-afk http://www.ohinternet.com/Yiff
00:07 rue_mohr I really feel I need someone I can talk to that knows that a reflex klystron is
00:08 katsmeow-afk it's a microwave vac tube
00:08 rue_mohr I know you know
00:08 rue_mohr I'm lacking the face to face thing
00:08 katsmeow-afk ah
00:08 rue_mohr you all have my voice, or a similar rendition of, and it gets a little closterphobic
00:09 katsmeow-afk closterphobic? scared of closters? what's a closter? cloister? a convent?
00:10 katsmeow-afk i never heard your voice, i have no sound [1] see above, not hooking up the one desktop with sound yet
00:11 katsmeow-afk claustrophobic?
00:11 katsmeow-afk small rooms?
00:11 rue_mohr maybe I will meet someone at the fair I'm going to, prolly not tho
00:11 katsmeow-afk maybe it's just the bed is too tight against the ceiling
00:11 katsmeow-afk fair? renfair?
00:11 rue_mohr you know what I do at a party?
00:12 katsmeow-afk yeas, you sit in a corner and pet the people's cat
00:12 rue_mohr one of those parties with the drinking, music, and dancing?
00:12 rue_mohr ok you know...
00:12 katsmeow-afk of course
00:12 katsmeow-afk parties never have exciting technology
00:13 rue_mohr you know what topic my words take on if I try to strike up a conversation with a cute girl?
00:13 katsmeow-afk everyone just gets more stupid as the hours pass
00:13 katsmeow-afk either buddy or the garden, depending on the season
00:13 rue_mohr bingo.
00:14 rue_mohr atleast I can feel asured that someone else understands the problem
00:14 katsmeow-afk not to worry, i am no longer cute or "girl"
00:14 furrywolf I'm also very much not a party person.
00:14 rue_mohr in 8 letters you can be as cute as you want to be.
00:14 furrywolf especially if there's drinking. I can't stand drunk people.
00:15 rrywolf dislikes stupidity in gen
00:15 rue_mohr art/kat.png or even 3 letters
00:16 katsmeow-afk not sure,, what to do,, i know i didn't wanna be on yiff site, but my brain shut off at midnite, and i can't get into bathymetry/multibeam.html now
00:17 rue_mohr kat, did you ever look for a nice guy to live with back in the day?
00:18 rrywolf would like a nice girl, but only finds potheads, religious whackjobs, tweakers, nutjobs
00:18 katsmeow-afk well, twice, maybe 4x, not counting a gradeschool crush, but then i was never specific
00:18 rue_mohr did you come to the conclustion that all guys were just horny idiots?
00:19 katsmeow-afk yeas, what's needed is an anti-viagra
00:20 rue_mohr see I'm worried that I'm gonna hit the other side of the wall (in a gender sense) the only hope I have is this internet thing I widen the search
00:20 rue_mohr there aren't enough technically minded people
00:20 katsmeow-afk it's not real fair to ask me anyhow now, my back is bad enough, i don't dare risk the ,, umm, exercise of sex
00:20 furrywolf make sure he has a strong tongue.
00:21 katsmeow-afk and you gotta realise, without the promise of missionary sex, or the inverse, or inverted, no guy is interested
00:21 rue_mohr well yea, that degenerated pretty quick, highly unstable topic anyhow
00:22 furrywolf lol
00:22 rue_mohr where is...
00:22 katsmeow-afk so <shrug> that's how it is, no matter what other pair arrangement could make, my partner will go find sex with someone else, it's inevitable, male or female
00:22 rrywolf is more interested in love than
00:23 katsmeow-afk i would luv to be among humans where a meaningful needed project works and makes everyone happy
00:23 rue_mohr !thislog
00:23 tobbor This one: http://rueshouse.dyndns.org:82/~ircjunk/irclogs/html/%23robotics-2012-05-15.html
00:24 katsmeow-afk it's like the first time i had a flush toilet here 20 yrs ago, or last week when i got running water on again, or Tiggr answered in a way i had not programmed her
00:24 rue_mohr fixed
00:25 katsmeow-afk or when i found the chrysler alternator in the Nissan let me ignore how long i was idling at traffic lites
00:26 katsmeow-afk ...
00:26 katsmeow-afk i bored everyone with talk of being productive?
00:26 furrywolf meh... now you're making me lonely too. I get so sick of all the idiot women here...
00:26 katsmeow-afk rue started it
00:27 furrywolf I hate potheads. I hate religious whackjobs. I hate insane refuse-to-talk-about-feelings yelling screaming types.
00:27 furrywolf and between those three, that seems to cover every available woman.
00:27 furrywolf oh, and I hate useless bimbos.
00:27 furrywolf duh, teeehheee, I just, like, got my nails done, and they're, like, awesome...
00:28 katsmeow-afk i believe some of that crap is to do head games on the male so he feels more important and will want her around
00:29 katsmeow-afk oops, i didn't mean to say that out loud
00:29 rue_mohr mixed juice, back
00:29 furrywolf heh
00:29 rue_mohr ignore how long you were idling?
00:30 rue_mohr dont get that one
00:30 katsmeow-afk huh?
00:30 rue_mohr I'm not hurt
00:30 rue_mohr if I weren't who I am I'd have had like 5 girlfriends by now
00:31 katsmeow-afk you may not be happy either
00:31 rue_mohr well I wouldn't have a house, or a good paying job
00:32 rue_mohr I be drolling over a wow quest
00:32 rue_mohr possibly even drooling
00:32 rue_mohr there are people who make this world, and there are people who use it
00:33 rue_mohr if they only knew what they were missing
00:33 katsmeow-afk <quote> i hate gays, they should have the right to marry and be as miserable as the rest of us</quote>
00:34 furrywolf lol
00:34 katsmeow-afk over 50% of marriages end in divorce, not sure the religions have a clue what they are protecting it against
00:35 katsmeow-afk Gingrich, gotta protect marriage, is on his 3rd, and cheated on every woman he ever knew
00:36 katsmeow-afk so,, rue, i cannot say yearning for that situation is going to make anyone happy
00:36 rue_mohr did I say marrige?
00:36 tsmeow-afk worries about z
00:36 rue_mohr didn't mean to
00:37 rue_mohr I just want a female companion who can understand me and maybe give me a few problems to bounce back and forth with
00:37 katsmeow-afk oh,, then just someone to date, or to "date" ?
00:37 rue_mohr how about a roommate?
00:37 katsmeow-afk i keep giving you the tree-climbing robot problem
00:38 rue_mohr you do?
00:38 katsmeow-afk several times
00:38 katsmeow-afk yesterday too
00:38 rue_mohr see, its hard when your always hanging around my computer, cause I'm not always
00:38 katsmeow-afk [23:38] <katsmeow-afk> so i need a robot to climb tree and cut limbs on the way up
00:38 katsmeow-afk etc
00:39 rue_mohr how you gonna get them to cone with no limbs?
00:39 katsmeow-afk the etc lines detail that
00:39 rue_mohr http://lady-owl.deviantart.com/art/EUTS-Portraits-Neelix-206393063
00:39 rue_mohr funny that
00:39 katsmeow-afk the dead oak limbs over the driveway, i gave up on them making pine cones
00:40 rue_mohr oh
00:40 rue_mohr I find trees easier to work on when their horizontal
00:40 katsmeow-afk the etc details why a cuple doxen cannot be made horizontal
00:41 rue_mohr bedtime for rue
00:42 rue_mohr I'll think on your problem
00:44 tsmeow-afk loks sl
00:44 rrywolf is sleepy
00:44 rrywolf tucks kat in, then curls bac
00:45 tsmeow-afk enjoys the electric blanket on, over, under, around her hind
00:45 katsmeow-afk feels soooo good
00:45 rue_bed "it isn't that I dont want to share with you, but, thats MY stuff..."
00:46 katsmeow-afk but i ask before i goto garf!!!
00:46 katsmeow-afk i know it's yours!
00:46 rue_bed you can do that whenever you want
00:46 katsmeow-afk oh
00:47 katsmeow-afk so often i feel i am intruding
00:47 rue_bed no
00:47 katsmeow-afk ok
00:47 rue_bed you have a free pass
00:47 katsmeow-afk and Tiggr?
00:47 rue_bed ofcourse
00:47 katsmeow-afk maybe i should put her back together tomorrow
00:48 e_bed wonders about
00:48 katsmeow-afk all that stuff in boxes, i can't find anything
00:48 rue_bed I think there are 90% odds my life will end in ruin
00:48 furrywolf bbl, bedtime
00:49 katsmeow-afk well, if Riff is happy, i guess that's all we can ask for
00:49 rue_bed but I think I have a good chance at that 10%
00:49 katsmeow-afk i know my life will end in ruin, alone, no internet, forced to stay alive
00:50 katsmeow-afk assholes put my life on hold for 15 yrs, and i don't believe it's recoverable
00:50 rue_bed the worst injury I had I was working on one of my own projects
00:51 katsmeow-afk yeas
00:51 rue_bed I cant see affording losing even 3 years
00:51 rue_bed moving here has already pushed everything concerningly ahead
00:52 katsmeow-afk is that good?
00:52 rue_bed no
00:52 rue_bed ahead the bad way
00:53 katsmeow-afk how is that bad?
00:53 rue_bed "were all circling the drain"
00:53 katsmeow-afk sorry, my brain has shut off
00:53 katsmeow-afk oh
00:53 rue_bed tiz ok
00:53 rue_bed I'm in bed now
00:53 katsmeow-afk but if movng faster, you accel out of the graveity hole, right?
00:53 rue_bed to put it in perspective
00:54 rue_bed I dont think many people have worked out how to row out of this one yet
00:54 rue_bed after the mecha maybe I can get immortality worked out,
00:54 rue_bed then the pressure is off
00:55 rue_bed I'v defeated blisters
00:55 katsmeow-afk i think if the boat isn't in the water sooner than planned, even tho over a yr behind now, it's too late for me
00:55 rue_bed I should have lost a big patch off my hand from the slip last weekend, and I'm managed to 100% rebind the skin
00:55 katsmeow-afk a slip?
00:56 katsmeow-afk i seem to remember your hurt hand, but didn't know you peeled the skin off it
00:56 rue_bed you know how metal can get red hot when you have to grind a lump off it?
00:57 katsmeow-afk yeas, you shouldn'tlet it get that hot when grinding
00:57 rue_bed I did better the skin never came off, only 10% of it delaminated and even that restuck now
00:57 rue_bed well I leaned on it with my palm after
00:57 rue_bed you know, to grab more welding rods on the other side of work peice of work
00:57 rue_bed anyhow, extreme success repairing it
00:58 katsmeow-afk oh, yeas, been there, done that, wear gloves a lot now
00:58 rue_bed heh, well yea, thats the easy way out
00:58 rue_bed this is the 3rd burn I'v done this treatment on, and it worked great this time
00:59 katsmeow-afk only time gloves wold not have helped, they woldn't have helped anyhow: i poured liquid molten steel on my non-leather shoe, and naturally it went thru the shoe, sock, and into my foot
00:59 e_bed shud
00:59 rue_bed cutting?
00:59 katsmeow-afk with torch
00:59 rue_bed mmm
01:00 katsmeow-afk heavy steel, puddle drained soon as i pierced thru
01:00 e_bed shud
01:00 katsmeow-afk wanna know the rather worse of it tho?
01:00 rue_bed not really...
01:00 rue_bed the thought of just that is bad enough
01:01 katsmeow-afk my feet already hurt so badly (the back injury), i stopped nly long enough for the puddle to drain, curse a few words, and kept on working
01:01 katsmeow-afk didn't even look int the hole to see how deep it was till hour later
01:01 rue_bed that and the idea of being alone my whole life cause of not being able to find anyone to live with who can understand me
01:02 katsmeow-afk took months to skin over
01:02 katsmeow-afk i think "live with" is the whole problem
01:03 katsmeow-afk imo, the solution is a ring ouf housing around a courtyard with a majorly impressive work shop in it
01:03 katsmeow-afk anyone can visit, anyone can share , anyone can help, anyone can be helped
01:04 rue_bed someone to sit down at dinner and discuss feedback loop controllers with
01:04 katsmeow-afk yeas
01:04 katsmeow-afk or to watch the deer
01:04 rue_bed yea, chase them with the camera
01:05 katsmeow-afk sic the cat on them
01:05 rue_bed cats dont sic...
01:05 katsmeow-afk i remember your cat went after a deer
01:06 rue_bed mmm the deer did most of the going after
01:06 rue_bed the cat was good bait
01:06 katsmeow-afk or the deer after the cat,, my brian d off
01:06 rue_bed ;)
01:07 katsmeow-afk i wonder if you can get Tom to make that happen
01:07 rue_bed hu?
01:08 katsmeow-afk he can make nice motor shafts, maybe a housing project for robots and geeks is easy for him too
01:08 rue_bed I'm wondering if I can attract the attention I need thru things like hackaday articles
01:09 rue_bed not that I want to be attracting attention
01:09 katsmeow-afk i dunno, that involves humans, i am bad with them
01:09 rue_bed I'm sure there is about 1.5% chance of being able to directly contact the person I'm looking for
01:10 rue_bed so I'm working at the 'display a pretty nest' thing
01:10 tsmeow-afk not
01:11 rue_bed one filled with soldering stations, and cnc machines, and avrs....
01:11 katsmeow-afk problem, catch -22 i also noticed is: if tehre is someone who catches your fancy, and you catch theirs, they will be just as unlikely to move to you in Canadia as yoou are to move to them anywhere else
01:14 tsmeow-afk is sorry the move to Oz didn't work out for
01:18 katsmeow-afk i should close my eyes......
03:32 sw0rdfish lolz, hey katsmeow-afk
03:32 sw0rdfish hey everyone.
07:51 SolarNRG http://i.imgur.com/73Xd9.jpg Here's my latest gear mold update, the platinum cure arrived today and here's what it looks like molding a big gear
09:20 rue_mohr hehe
09:34 furrywolf "Voltage : 22.34 VDC" hate... batteries... so... much...
09:35 SolarNRG Have a look at this: http://i.imgur.com/kfOJY.jpg
09:37 furrywolf I really hope I get these ni-fe cells, and get them working, and never need to touch a lead-acid battery again...
10:06 furrywolf "Voltage : 21.93 VDC" god damnit. obviously another cell failed. bbl, saving power.
10:56 katsmeow-afk i dunno for sure that lead acid was ever the best battery tech, however i cannot help but think it was implemented badly
10:57 katsmeow-afk if for no other reason than when a cell dies in a 12v pack, the entire pack gets tossed out
10:59 katsmeow-afk SolarNRG, how will you get it out of that tin?
11:01 furrywolf my experience is that all cells age pretty equally, so when one fails, there's not much point in saving the others.
11:02 furrywolf this is true even in a large bank... if you buy four 6v batteries and put them in series, as soon as one develops a bad cell, even if you replace that battery and keep using the others, the others soon do the same.
11:04 katsmeow-afk i have bought a bank of 12v batts, and tween the time one went bad and the last one went bad, was a year
11:04 katsmeow-afk a yr is significant
11:05 furrywolf bleh, weather forecast is >7 days of no sun.
11:06 katsmeow-afk weeks like that i am glad i can run the whole house of a 2500w genny that takes hours to burn a gallon of gas
11:07 katsmeow-afk the goal, of course, is to run the genny when i need lots of heat coming off the block and exhaust pipes, and the fact it's also making electricity is gravey
11:07 furrywolf heat isn't an issue here. heh.
11:08 katsmeow-afk also a good thing to have when the ac unit needs 40amps to crank up, and the power invertor can run it when it settles down to 5amps
11:08 katsmeow-afk or other such examples
11:09 furrywolf I have a 2200W generator in storage, but no way to get energy from it into the batteries usefully, and I hate buying gas, listening to it run, etc.
11:10 katsmeow-afk i don't listen to it run, it's in a cubby outside now
11:10 furrywolf I'm on a tiny lot; there's no option for not hearing it run. heh.
11:11 katsmeow-afk when mine is running, and i am sitting beside it 4ft away, my asshole neighbor's is louder, his truck is louder, and when i had a adopted cat someone had literally thrown away, the cat would stand on the cubby and be afraid of the neighor
11:12 furrywolf heh
11:13 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/house/generator%20cubby.jpg
11:14 katsmeow-afk two gennies in it, a 1/2 hp blower, lined with cementboard and recycled carpet, and the vent openings are facing hidden at the concrete column bases
11:15 katsmeow-afk go 50ft up the driveway, and you'd never know the baby one (and vent blower) was running
11:15 furrywolf heh
11:15 furrywolf go 50ft from here in any direction and you're no longer on the property.
11:15 katsmeow-afk if i had made a proper cubby, it wold be just about silent up close
11:16 katsmeow-afk like i said, the cats had no problems with it running
11:18 furrywolf also, running a generator here is considered very, very suspicious, because growers do it to run lights...
11:19 katsmeow-afk ok
11:19 furrywolf I just need to get working batteries.
11:22 tsmeow-afk places a 30acre hydropower instalation on furrywolf's neighbor's p
11:22 katsmeow-afk dibs on the fish
11:23 furrywolf mmm, food...
11:23 furrywolf now you've made me hungry.
11:25 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/littleengine%20muffler.html
11:25 furrywolf I might get some charging in today... it's cloudy, but there's enough light making it through I should be charging.
11:26 furrywolf heh, that's the exact same problem I had when I tried that... anything you bolt to the exhaust that weighs more than half a pound breaks off.
11:26 furrywolf I ended up using flexible exhaust pipe
11:27 furrywolf next time I might try flexible stainless gas line, like used behind stoves.
11:28 katsmeow-afk there's two heavy boltholes in the block above the generator itself, i think i need to use all available bolt holes to route a line down there and then to some flex
11:29 katsmeow-afk worse care is i remove the rubber mounts, and stop the engine from shaking so much
11:29 katsmeow-afk worse case
11:29 furrywolf then you break the mounting feet off. been there, done that.
11:30 furrywolf they don't like being mounted rigidly...
11:30 tsmeow-afk
11:32 furrywolf I'll look for some 1" flexible gas line next time I have a project like that... should be cheaper, quieter, and more flexible than the big car exhaust stuff.
11:32 furrywolf 3/4 might work, and is easier to find.
11:34 katsmeow-afk won't it break up inside an hour?
11:35 furrywolf it's stainless... should be able to take the temperature for a while.
11:37 katsmeow-afk i was worried about the vibraton
11:37 furrywolf I actually have the exhaust flange off a muffler that would fit my generator in my car... been meaning to buy a 3/4" pipe nipple and weld it to it for a while now.
11:38 katsmeow-afk there's a generator n your car?
11:38 furrywolf no... the exhaust flange, which would fit my generator, is in my car.
11:39 furrywolf not the exhaust flange, which would fit the generator in my car.
11:39 katsmeow-afk ok ;-)
11:40 furrywolf http://abingdongas.com/shop/images/uploads/IMG_0107-1.JPG you think one of those, ran neatly, would crack from the vibration? that's the kind of thing they're supposed to not do, as it causes fires...
11:41 furrywolf might make it an extra foot long with a loop in it and some strain relief at the generator end, dunno.
11:41 katsmeow-afk problem is the loop adds weight
11:42 furrywolf that's a 7/8" line, should be enough to exhaust a little 5hp honda.
11:42 katsmeow-afk i wonder, if i make all the head bolts 1/4" longer, and add a steel plate under them all, and fasten the exhaust to that plate?
11:43 furrywolf that sounds like it'd either block cooling airflow or fuck with the compression ratio, depending on which side "under" is.
11:44 katsmeow-afk if you use http://abingdongas.com/shop/images/uploads/IMG_0107-1.JPG , i'd remove the brass from one end, and braze that to the flange, reduce as much weight as possible
11:44 katsmeow-afk also, the back heavy bolt holses on the block are more in line with the axis of the vibration, so if i take the pipe off the engine from there, the vibration will be more torquey than back-and-forthy
11:45 furrywolf well, leverage is a part of it... weight right at the end is less of an issue than weight on an arm.
11:45 furrywolf after all, they supported the stock muffler just fine.
11:45 furrywolf and if I keep the fitting, I can quickly change it if it breaks, etc.
11:45 katsmeow-afk i need to declutter all that space, and keep trying to forget that my mom threatened to turn gods loose on me if i made my power
11:46 furrywolf because you're evil and stealing from the power company while supporting the gasoline company instead?
11:47 katsmeow-afk not really, i had the far end of my system fully supported, that 3/4 90 angle was enough weight to strip the threads out of the alum block after a few hours of running (less than one lil tank of gas)
11:47 katsmeow-afk yeas
11:48 furrywolf tell her you'd rather support the oil companies so the government has a good reason for killing ragheads.
11:48 katsmeow-afk and because you cannot hear mine even 50 ft away, and the neigbors canbe heard for 1/2 mile, mine might annoy him, so i should sit in the dark and cold while he is comfy and he is breaking my eardrums
11:49 furrywolf (and, yes, you have to use the term ragheads - nutjobs seem to live that word)
11:51 furrywolf s/live/love
11:51 tsmeow-afk just s
11:53 furrywolf solar power is considered a good thing around here, and people support anything you do to use it, even cutting down other people's trees.
11:54 furrywolf in some areas (I haven't checked the local laws), your neighbors are required to trim any trees that grow to shade your solar array any more than they shaded the array when you installed it.
11:55 katsmeow-afk i hear that even in Calfornica you still haveto sue the neighbor to enforce thetree cutting
11:55 furrywolf well, many neighbors are cooperative.
11:56 furrywolf and roughly none of them accuse you of stealing from the power company.
11:58 katsmeow-afk but at $2000/mo rent for any place, i cannot afford to be there
12:00 furrywolf eh, that's in cities...
12:00 rrywolf is a country w
12:01 katsmeow-afk could not get data on country places
12:02 furrywolf I can't stand cities. heh.
12:06 furrywolf bbl... going to go to the hardware store and pick up a steel reducer bushing to try turning on the lathe to make an alignment jig for redrilling a flywheel, then pick up some food.
12:06 tsmeow-afk
12:07 DanFrederiksen furrywolf, still driving an old fuel hungry pickup?
12:08 ambro718 What is the best way to calculate speed in real time from tachometer data?
12:09 DanFrederiksen ambro718, isn't that speed already?
12:10 ambro718 I mean a device measuring the current position of the axle.
12:10 DanFrederiksen perhaps say what kind of tach data and what you want to do with it
12:10 DanFrederiksen I'd guess a microcontroller is the universal answer
12:10 ambro718 I get to read the current number of rotations (with respect to some arbitrary reference).
12:11 DanFrederiksen read once per second and the difference is proportional to speed
12:11 ambro718 Yeah, I'd like to know how to program the microcontroller, what algorithm to use to estimate the speed.
12:11 furrywolf DanFrederiksen: I have both a pickup and a car.
12:12 DanFrederiksen furrywolf, a geo metro?
12:12 furrywolf a subaru
12:12 furrywolf bbl
12:12 DanFrederiksen I hear a geo gets decent mileage
12:12 DanFrederiksen and should be cheap
12:13 ambro718 It needs to be much more precise (10 milliseconds or so). I'm guessing just taking the last difference is subject to much error. Maybe I should average the last N differences or something like that?
12:13 DanFrederiksen you can kalmann the last few
12:14 ambro718 Or should I put less weight on past differences and more to recent?
12:14 DanFrederiksen that's sort of what kalmann does iirc
12:14 DanFrederiksen cnc system?
12:15 ambro718 thanks, I'll look it up. No, it's just for fun, it's for balancing a Lego NXT robot on two wheels (what Segway does)
12:24 SolarNRG I will get it out of the tin with a HACK SAW
12:26 tsmeow-afk suggests a zip disk in a "body grinder" , DONE OUT
12:26 katsmeow-afk bbl
12:33 sw0rdfish DanFrederiksen, I'm gonna see The Dictator this weekend :)
12:38 DanFrederiksen the old chaplin movie? why...
12:40 sw0rdfish old chaplin? lolz.
12:40 sw0rdfish what why?
12:41 sw0rdfish to have a laughter :P
13:01 SolarNRG How do I fix my fiberglass paddle?
13:22 DanFrederiksen SolarNRG, buy a new one
13:23 DanFrederiksen is it broken?
13:23 DanFrederiksen in 2
13:23 SolarNRG Yeah
13:23 SolarNRG And the courier wouldn't even pick up my kayak today
13:24 SolarNRG Not wrapped up well enough they said
13:26 ugi hello solarnrg. i really like your posts witty funny insightful. can i invite you to another channel? #occupol you might like it.
13:31 SolarNRG ok
14:46 furrywolf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/wsc_video/ I'm surprised. Apparantly the reg is capable of producing an almost professional quality video, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected from them. :)
14:47 Steffanx My sarcasm detector fails here furrywolf
14:49 furrywolf the register is not known for its incredible production values - rather, it's known for hacks who drink too much. but they managed to put together a video that almost seems professionally done.
14:49 furrywolf this is not what I expected.
14:52 furrywolf I don't think it mentions female anatomy, drinking, or slutty celebrities even once.
14:56 Steffanx That music is awful :P
14:56 Steffanx *dududududum* *dududududum*
18:48 SolarNRG BEDDY BYES FOR SNOOZEY PIES!!!
20:25 katsmeow-afk .
20:29 rue_mohr ,
20:29 katsmeow-afk TheWebPage = replace(TheWebPage,{226,128,152},"'") -- damned 3-char ` -- May 7 2012
20:29 katsmeow-afk TheWebPage = replace(TheWebPage,{226,128,166},"'") -- other damned 3-char ` -- May 15 2012
20:32 katsmeow-afk i need some energy
20:32 anx gives kat the little he has left from t
20:32 katsmeow-afk did you go diving today?
20:33 zhanx no i passed my army physical fitness test today
20:33 katsmeow-afk i knew you would :-)
20:33 zhanx decided not to wait till august to attempt it and that 2 weeks was enough time after a year to get ready
20:35 katsmeow-afk "get ready" ? but youa re always ready, i thought, besides, don't 100lbs women pass the test too?
20:35 zhanx well after a year of not really running i was concerned about the run
20:35 katsmeow-afk oh, yeas
20:36 zhanx i ran 50 miles in the last two weeks so that helped
20:36 tsmeow-afk evnys
20:37 zhanx i am still a young 35
20:37 katsmeow-afk and your legs still work properly, which is helpful
20:37 zhanx after i got a new knee
20:37 katsmeow-afk if you disconnect their electrical controls, they quit working right
20:38 tsmeow-afk sits for a while and shares zhanx's energy back to
20:39 rue_mohr back to work in 15 mins
20:39 rue_mohr *sigh*
20:39 katsmeow-afk this late?
20:39 rue_mohr yea...
20:39 katsmeow-afk heck of a commute home for dinner if you're working on the island
20:40 rue_mohr lehigh aggregates mine, network upgrade
20:40 zhanx good money i hope
20:40 rue_mohr no its 20km or so home and back
20:40 tsmeow-afk makes rue some mac-n-cheese with chopped hotgods and a wonderful spicey side s
20:40 rue_mohr er home to work
20:40 rue_mohr thanks, but I made spagetti
20:40 furrywolf meh... I can hardly run a half mile.
20:40 tsmeow-afk puts it in the fridge
20:41 furrywolf I can hike all day with a 30lb pack, and for a quarter mile, I can beat most people I know... but over that I just can't run.
20:41 katsmeow-afk furry, you need more cardio work
20:42 e_mohr hands furry the keys to the
20:42 katsmeow-afk i can go till i cannot, which is a variable distance, and then my legs just quiver and ignore me
20:42 rue_mohr go take it for a few trips around the block!
20:42 furrywolf I can cycle for three days straight, too.
20:42 furrywolf dio?
20:42 katsmeow-afk the car dio
20:42 katsmeow-afk the truck isn't a dio
20:42 e_mohr looks at
20:42 rue_mohr I dont think he gets it
20:43 katsmeow-afk you truck IS a dio?
20:43 katsmeow-afk oh, me either, yet
20:43 rue_mohr I dont think the truck is a dio
20:43 furrywolf the kinetic sculpture race is quite a workout, and I have no problems with that... three days of moving >200lbs/person over sand, water, dunes, mud, etc for 42 miles.
20:43 katsmeow-afk the items humans make on this planet are so specific, very restricted as to purpose
20:44 rue_mohr good point
20:44 rue_mohr and yet they lack a lot of specific references for things
20:45 katsmeow-afk i agree
20:45 furrywolf so do I attempt to run the microwave on my barely-existant power, or have cold food?
20:45 rue_mohr use fire
20:45 katsmeow-afk cold food, that's what the sammich stuff is for
20:45 rue_mohr fire makes things hot
20:45 rue_mohr even icecream
20:46 furrywolf fire requires dealing with propane and the piece of shit stove.
20:46 rue_mohr no you just need a collection of combustable stuff
20:46 katsmeow-afk pine cones! of, you don't have those
20:47 furrywolf wood stove is even less useful than the propane stove.
20:47 furrywolf it doesn't draft, care of the worse-than-poor job the previous owner did with the chimney.
20:47 furrywolf just smokes up the house.
20:47 furrywolf need to rip the chimney out and replace it.
20:47 katsmeow-afk you know when people goto the forest and carry out their logs? you go get all the 1/2" up to 3" stuff, for fast quick on-off fires
20:48 rue_mohr if you have a toaster oven you can put the food in there, put it in the car, roll up the windows, and set it on fire, the food will be heated well and should be protected from the various combustables that would otherwise taint the taste
20:48 furrywolf they decided venting the large wood stove through the tiny gas vent from a propane heater was a good idea. want to guess whether it was actually a good idea?
20:48 katsmeow-afk lol
20:48 rue_mohr 5 mins left
20:49 tsmeow-afk gives rue a B vitamin
20:49 furrywolf car fires produce lots of thick black smoke that would taint anything.
20:49 rue_mohr B veitnam?
20:49 katsmeow-afk yeas, i wonder why they make them to do that?
20:49 rue_mohr furrywolf, na, you got it protected by the taosteroven
20:49 tsmeow-afk checks spel
20:50 e_mohr checks his ... uh... with the pointer, label says, Lucent... needle pointing to 1, but the scale goes t
20:51 rue_mohr 4 mins left
20:51 tsmeow-afk puts accordian pleating around the roof-wall connection, and backs a airplane engine and prop to the back door, and throttles it up and down to make the house look like it's breat
20:51 e_mohr gig
20:51 furrywolf ... wtf?
20:52 katsmeow-afk hmm?
20:52 katsmeow-afk rue, we need to help furry outside the box when he thinks
20:53 rue_mohr furrywolf, well the other solutions are 1-800-MYPIZZA or dont eat tonight
20:53 rue_mohr I do the dont eat thing every so often
20:53 tsmeow-afk misses eating right from the ga
20:53 rue_mohr oh noes, I have hold music stuck in my head
20:54 furrywolf only thing edible in my garden right now is an artichoke, but it's still a little too little.
20:54 e_mohr tries to hang up, but
20:54 furrywolf and an artichoke does not dinner make.
20:54 rue_mohr 30 seconds
20:54 rue_mohr 20
20:54 rue_mohr 10
20:54 rue_mohr 5
20:54 tsmeow-afk waves bye to where rue
20:55 katsmeow-afk furry, did you see i have more water in the pool than a week ago? and i have been using water!
20:56 furrywolf pump working, or rain?
20:56 furrywolf and I can't see your house from here. :P
20:57 katsmeow-afk rain
20:57 katsmeow-afk <quote>More debt and unauthorized payments are discovered at Cooper Green Mercy Hospital. There are now 1uestions about illegal activity, which has the district attorney's attention.</quote>
20:58 katsmeow-afk "There are now 1uestions"
20:58 furrywolf q and 1 are right next to each other...
20:58 katsmeow-afk which is why the spell checker let it go
20:59 furrywolf you're assuming they spellchecked it. :)
20:59 katsmeow-afk i know they didn't
21:00 katsmeow-afk http://www.abc3340.com/story/18388451/student-left-out-yearbook-senior-picture
21:02 furrywolf didn't I mention women are expected to be subserviant, and doing anything to dispute that pisses off religious whackjobs?
21:02 katsmeow-afk i remember someone did
21:04 katsmeow-afk http://www.abc3340.com/story/18428462/alabama-couple-gets-jail-term-for-childrens-truancy
21:04 Tom_itx ok a little progress
21:04 rrywolf hates women's clo
21:05 katsmeow-afk yea, so why expect any woemtn to like them?
21:05 furrywolf they probably were homeschooling their kids and/or recognized how worthless the public school system is.
21:06 katsmeow-afk unlikely, every church around here has homeschooling permits, just so the parents can keep their kids biggotted
21:07 katsmeow-afk i mean, out of school
21:07 katsmeow-afk away from otehr kids
21:07 katsmeow-afk where they can be slaves
21:07 katsmeow-afk i mean, learn about responcible work at home
21:07 furrywolf lol
21:08 furrywolf my experience is the public school system is so worthless that I'm not sure missing half of it doesn't actually help kids...
21:08 katsmeow-afk i agree, you haveto break the rules to get to the best parts of it
21:09 furrywolf "Another bill passed by the Legislature last week provides that health insurance policies offered in an Alabama insurance exchange won't cover elective abortions." speaking of women's rights...
21:09 katsmeow-afk like libraries and advanced classes where you can electrocute epople and blow things up
21:09 katsmeow-afk i mean be at the cutting edge of science
21:12 katsmeow-afk the last known women's clinic of any kind in Alabama has recently closed, after decades of harrasssment
21:12 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps1.jpg
21:13 katsmeow-afk pic is *real* slow, Tom
21:13 rrywolf thinks katsmeow-afk should live elsew
21:13 Tom_itx i'll reboot it
21:16 Tom_L that should be better
21:16 katsmeow-afk oh yeas, instant
21:17 katsmeow-afk one set of leads to the motor controllers?
21:17 Tom_itx not wired up yet
21:18 Tom_itx those are just coming from the transformers
21:18 katsmeow-afk ok, if you do use one red and one black, pull the power off of the center cap module
21:18 rrywolf solves the food issue by poking around kat's kitchen ins
21:18 katsmeow-afk all the food is in the downstairs bahrooma nd hallway, where it can be warm in winter
21:19 katsmeow-afk and tons cooler
21:19 katsmeow-afk before i got any of the roof insulated, it got over 125F in the kitchen
21:19 Tom_itx i considered a screw block and run the caps to it as well
21:19 tsmeow-afk
21:19 Tom_itx the pcboards are 2 strips of copper top and bottom
21:20 katsmeow-afk the aidea was only equal length/size wire and equal amp draw off each cap module
21:20 Tom_itx yeah
21:20 katsmeow-afk "star arrangement"
21:20 Tom_itx i have plenty of places to tap the boards
21:20 Tom_itx 2 on the side and 2 on the end
21:20 katsmeow-afk very neat layout
21:21 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps2.jpg
21:21 Tom_itx the leds seem to work fine too
21:21 Tom_itx i haven't powered it since i wired all those up yet
21:21 tsmeow-afk would make a suggestion: put the diodes on a heatsink, and a fan on the heatsink, and mount on the unused channel to the left, and then wrap the whole thing in a ca
21:22 Tom_itx but i did test the concept
21:22 Tom_itx the heatsink for my drivers has room for them
21:22 Tom_itx an alternate plan
21:23 Tom_itx the sherline isn't gonna run hard enough to make anything get hot
21:23 tsmeow-afk needs to get some of those short hex stand
21:23 Tom_itx if i upgrade to a bigger setup then it might
21:23 tsmeow-afk
21:23 Tom_itx those are some odd caps
21:24 Tom_itx 2 legs aren't wired
21:24 katsmeow-afk dented?
21:24 Tom_itx they look like they are crushed too
21:24 katsmeow-afk o
21:24 Tom_itx yeah
21:24 Tom_itx only 1 and '5' are wired
21:24 Tom_itx as you can see on the label
21:24 Tom_itx but there are only 4 pins
21:24 katsmeow-afk i think Phillips had a run o bad luck, and a lot of ther caps got dumped on the market
21:24 Tom_itx they seem good
21:25 katsmeow-afk i got a baggie of caps, all the phillips are testing at 1/2 rated capacitance, so i am sure they were mislabled at the factory
21:25 Tom_itx these were all 3.0 mF or above
21:25 tsmeow-afk
21:26 Tom_itx i don't know the tolerance of them
21:26 katsmeow-afk electrolytics are generally +20%/-10%
21:27 furrywolf they could also be counterfeits, which occasionally turn up at legitimate distributors, and very often turn up on ebay.
21:27 Tom_itx i haven't decided whether to chop off the end of the channel or not
21:27 katsmeow-afk i told you how i'd handle it
21:27 Tom_itx care to repeat it once more :D
21:28 Tom_itx i've had alot going on here tonight
21:28 katsmeow-afk i believe strongly in fanning psus, i don't like stuff so hot i cannot touch it
21:28 Tom_itx oh
21:28 Tom_itx yeah
21:28 Tom_itx i agree with that
21:28 Tom_itx i plan to find or build an enclosure for all of this
21:28 Tom_itx this, the mesa boards and the gecko drivers
21:28 tsmeow-afk
21:29 furrywolf I need to build a new stepper driver box for my mill... the one I got with it is only 3 axis, not 4, and doesn't seem to provide enough current to make the motors as warm as I'd like.
21:29 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant.jpg
21:29 Tom_itx the mesa boards.
21:29 Tom_itx and you've seen the drivers
21:29 furrywolf the motors are slightly warm after a bunch of milling, while I want them to be toasty warm.
21:30 katsmeow-afk lotta wirng going on there
21:30 Tom_itx the geckos cut back 70% after 1 sec idle
21:30 Tom_itx no heat buildup
21:30 Tom_itx yeah there is kat
21:30 Tom_itx and that's about half of it
21:31 Tom_itx the other 40 pin connector to the far left has stuff on it now
21:31 tsmeow-afk
21:32 tsmeow-afk wonders what Tom is using for en
21:32 Tom_itx ?
21:32 furrywolf I'm surprised you decided to build a linear supply, instead of picking an off-the-shelf switcher...
21:32 Tom_itx the mesas are usb powered in that pic
21:33 Tom_itx that's all the usb plug is there for on that
21:33 katsmeow-afk afaik, all Tom's stuff is not linear
21:33 Tom_itx furrywolf i got these surplus
21:33 Tom_itx cheap
21:33 Tom_itx and they fit what i needed just fine
21:34 Tom_itx otherwise i would have gotten a torroid probably
21:34 katsmeow-afk oh, the 60hz trasnformers? those electrostatic isolated ones can be real pricey too, i'd consider them an investment
21:34 furrywolf brb, attempting to operate microwave
21:34 katsmeow-afk course, not everyone has a clue
21:36 Tom_itx that should be enough caps you think?
21:36 Tom_itx 27000 uf if i figured right
21:36 Tom_itx considering what they tested at
21:36 katsmeow-afk for 12amps, yeas
21:37 Tom_itx ~18 i think
21:37 katsmeow-afk ok, 18
21:37 Tom_itx but i'm not gonna push it
21:37 katsmeow-afk for 25, it's pushing things
21:37 Tom_itx i'll stuff the one for the 25v under the channel
21:38 katsmeow-afk you could investigate , scope the caps to see the vdrop when the motors are working hard, then compute the dvrop at 120hz against the ESR of the caps, firgure the wattage and internal heating
21:38 katsmeow-afk no, i mean for 25amp, 27000 is pushing it
21:38 Tom_itx i know
21:38 katsmeow-afk k
21:39 Tom_itx but for my centertapped supply i'll stuff that cap under the channel
21:39 Tom_itx for the low v stuff
21:39 tsmeow-afk loks concerned for heat under t
21:40 tsmeow-afk should be quiet since you know here thoughts on all
21:41 tsmeow-afk sucks on a cough
21:44 furrywolf blah, going to have to kill the heat mats tonight methings.
21:44 furrywolf methinks
21:44 katsmeow-afk heat mats?
21:45 furrywolf got watermelon, cantaloupe, and eggplant on heat mats right now.
21:45 katsmeow-afk i didn't think it was that cold there, specially now
21:47 furrywolf today's high was ~58F.
21:47 rrywolf ch
21:47 furrywolf less, actually.
21:47 furrywolf High Temperature: 55.9 F at 15:21
21:47 katsmeow-afk cool!
21:50 katsmeow-afk http://imgur.com/gallery/OluHu
21:52 furrywolf but, the heat mats draw ~60W (before inverter losses), which is a pretty big load to leave on all night...
21:53 katsmeow-afk "Officer...your eyes are a little glazed, have you been eating donuts? "
21:58 rrywolf checks kat's kitchen for des
21:59 katsmeow-afk i just got oatmeal and macarrooon cookies today
21:59 katsmeow-afk i am serious abot lack of energy, and if i haveto eat caffine and sugar to get butt in gear, i swear i will!
22:02 katsmeow-afk http://news.yahoo.com/wrong-man-executed-texas-probe-says-051125159.html
22:05 furrywolf geee, the legal system fucking sucks?
22:05 furrywolf news to me!
22:06 katsmeow-afk damn , this account suspended http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AhgUAOykiY5tJe0sOiL8J34IQ_F_;_ylu=X3oDMTJiaW0xb3BoBG1pdANDeFMgdGVjaGl0dXAgQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHkgQXJ0aWNsZQRwb3MDNARzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keVRlbXBBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTMwOW1wZDViBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYzczODIwZDItMjYzNC0zOTY3LWIyMDgtNjZlNzgzYjg1OGFlBHBzdGNhdAN0ZWNofHRlY2hpdHVwBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=0/SIG=123fmlt9a/EXP=1338346476/**http%3A//66.49.217.87/%257Eremy/wp/%3Fpa
22:07 furrywolf too long.
22:09 katsmeow-afk http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/12/3016254/russian-satellite-earth-from-space-121-megapixels
22:10 katsmeow-afk wow, the sat is catching the "green flash" off the water at sunup
22:19 katsmeow-afk US Sen. Bill Nelson (R-Florida) volunteered to be waterboarded but the CIA feared it would kill him
22:31 katsmeow-afk why can't i get to dvice.com/archives/2012/05/floating-cities.php ?
22:32 furrywolf because you're missing the first part of the url?
22:32 katsmeow-afk the url is in ddg and google
23:19 zhanx bought an engagement ring tonight
23:21 rrywolf doesn't have anyone to be engaged to.
23:24 orlok zhanx: Ahh, nice.. i'm looking at doing the same too.
23:28 rue_mohr and I'm back
23:51 tsmeow-afk ssttrrreeeEEEETTttccchhheeeeeess
23:52 katsmeow-afk how to not melt wax with a toaster : http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/toaster-1.jpg.644x0_q100_crop-smart.jpg