#robotics Logs
May 06 2012
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00:01 NotWorthCr4p fuck, i wanna die too
00:01 furrywolf :(
00:02 rrywolf curls back up next to kat, since something warm and furry makes everything better.
00:05 rue_house I'm excited to see what your up to
00:05 rue_house I thought it was just a random hub
00:05 rue_house sorr, I'm watching amovie
00:05 NotWorthCr4p i am not up to anything, i threw the stuff away, it was a wasted $30, Tom won't send me the parts
00:09 rrywolf doesn't have any motor parts, but could send kat a bunch of hot pepper seed
00:09 rue_house I want to know what your design looked like
00:09 NotWorthCr4p i want to have a reason to live
00:10 NotWorthCr4p so we are both screwed
00:12 furrywolf meh... I wish I could say I could help you move out here, but unless you want a utilityless shack in the woods like I have, I wouldn't have the money to do anything.
00:12 NotWorthCr4p with neighbors who steal dirt out of your garden??
00:13 furrywolf at least she doesn't have any dogs, and she's such a whackjob she just sits in the house all day with her plants.
00:13 furrywolf she leaves about once every two weeks, to go take the money she scams from the government and get food.
00:14 NotWorthCr4p no doubt i will be such a whackjob too, no friends, no life, no robots, no Ai, because for me to have those things is just so much comedy oth everyone else
00:15 furrywolf if you weren't living in the middle of religiouswhackjobama, friends and life are a lot easier to get.
00:16 NotWorthCr4p sure, i made friends easily in Fla, but then i cannot live in Fla either, can i?
00:17 rrywolf wasn't around for
00:38 rrywolf tucks kat in for bedtime, then heads off to bed
00:39 tWorthCr4p is just staring at the screen, wonder ing what she'll loose
00:41 furrywolf meh... I wish I could help, but I don't know how I could, other than irc hugs.
00:43 NotWorthCr4p it keeps happening, if i trust someone, i get screwed
00:43 NotWorthCr4p i just wonder how long Tom has planned on not sending me those parts
00:43 rue_house he isn't he just dosnt' have you r mailing address
00:43 NotWorthCr4p if humans are involved, i loose
00:44 NotWorthCr4p he said he wasn't sending them
00:44 NotWorthCr4p [22:33] * Tom_itx wonders what to do with these experimental parts
00:44 rue_house because he dosnt' ahve a mialing address
00:44 NotWorthCr4p [22:34] <Tom_itx> kat has gone is seems
00:44 NotWorthCr4p [22:35] <Tom_itx> NotWorthCr4p, you are an imposter, you are not kat
00:44 NotWorthCr4p [22:36] <Tom_itx> she had a project she wanted to do that needed a bit of assistance so i offered to help and now she's disappeared
00:45 zhanx hmmm
00:50 tWorthCr4p wonders if even zhanx is happy the shotgun is not down
00:53 rrywolf thinks everyone is happy kat is
00:54 NotWorthCr4p you are too nieve
00:55 NotWorthCr4p naive
00:57 NotWorthCr4p i think someone should just shoot me, and put an end to all our suffering
00:57 rue_house could you wait till I'm able to give tom the shipping address?
00:57 furrywolf everyone would miss you, then. well, maybe not your neighbor, but everyone else.
00:58 NotWorthCr4p oh get serious
00:59 rue_house you sure are self destructive kat
00:59 rue_house always the wrong timing too
00:59 NotWorthCr4p like i have a choice
01:01 rue_house I think I figured out how to make the motor you might be planning
01:01 NotWorthCr4p i bought parts for the motor, believing i cold do something with the parts Tom made, and now i don't get them, i got suckered, i wasted money
01:01 NotWorthCr4p it was the small version of me getting suckered to move to Fla
01:01 NotWorthCr4p good for you, what i am around for?
01:02 rue_house to make me know its possable so I strive for it
01:02 rue_house of anything I have ever done, I'd say this is pretty out on a limb
01:03 NotWorthCr4p pancake motors are as simple as ordinary motors, and i came up with a way to make several versions with the one rotor, damned shame i am useless and won't be getting the rotor
01:04 NotWorthCr4p but that's what humans do, they make sure i live down to the lowest possible standards
01:05 NotWorthCr4p make sure i get as little as ppossible and the highest cost, and don't contribute to anything, and never make a dime
01:07 furrywolf if the part you need will fit on my sherline mill, and you have a file in some format I can read, I can try making it...
01:08 NotWorthCr4p don't bother, something will happen so i cannot get it from you either
01:10 furrywolf meh... I'd help more if I had any spare money, but I can barely keep my lights on and the fridge non-empty...
01:10 NotWorthCr4p no, i am a bad cause
01:11 NotWorthCr4p if i was worth a damn, peole would at least stop trying to trip me up
01:11 furrywolf no, you're not. I just wish I could help more. :(
01:11 rue_house Tom_itx, hope you get back soon
01:15 tWorthCr4p goes
01:15 rrywolf tucks kat in for
02:05 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQEXBhlGzss
02:06 rue_house you know, sometimes a simple thanks hits the spot...
02:23 NotWorthCr4p .
02:40 rue_house theBear, your never online I'm deleting you from my skype list
02:53 rue_shop :) one of the two battery clips for buddy is finished
02:57 rue_shop 48 cell phone batteries add up to some descent weight
03:09 rue_shop I think for a switching supply I can push ferrite core over 1V/turn
03:10 rue_shop so the limit of turns is the amp-turn
03:10 rue_shop I wonder how many amp-turns these two ferrite cores can take
03:11 rue_shop rollover behtoven
03:15 rue_house somehow I think my numbers were out somewhere
03:15 rue_house I have 48 batteries, in a grid bank thats 6x8 for a total voltage of 24V
03:16 rue_house the inverter is spec'd to 480W, with a 20A input
03:16 rue_house 2A ea from each pack
03:16 rue_house no
03:16 rue_house 2.5A from each pack
03:17 rue_house seems pretty heafty for a cell phone abttery
07:28 SolarNRG Morning Gromit
07:28 SolarNRG GROMIT, YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG TROUSERS!!!
10:43 SolarNRG Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXFRRg8YMT0
10:43 SolarNRG I'd love to be able to do all this on a small scale
10:53 furrywolf let me know when you have a proper web site instead of a video, and I'll see what you're talking about.
10:56 SolarNRG How does one get a "proper web site" these days? Doesn't that cost laods of money?
10:56 furrywolf no.
10:56 furrywolf a proper web site consists of writing text, with illustrations as needed.
10:56 SolarNRG I can host my own live video stream via vlc
10:57 furrywolf it costs much less than video.
10:57 Tom_itx mine is free
10:57 SolarNRG Can I have my own videos on my own website?
10:57 rrywolf gives tom an angry look, for being mean to
10:57 Tom_itx how was i mean?
10:57 furrywolf sure you can, but for probbaly 99% of things, video sucks.
10:57 furrywolf dunno, talk to her.
10:57 Tom_itx no
10:57 Tom_itx got nothing to say right now
10:57 Tom_itx when i do, i will
10:58 SolarNRG Furrywolf, what's wrong, still in the Dial up age?
10:59 furrywolf no, I have a functioning brain, and can read text much much faster than listening to some idiot slowly talk about something.
11:04 Squint "Heeelllloooo, myyy naaaame isss ... "
11:05 SolarNRG Good for you, I don't have a fully functioning brain, I have right frontal lobe damage, I find it easier to explain stuff by video
11:05 Squint "after a 20 minute introduction I will spend 5 seconds going over the subject matter of this video, and it won't make sense, and the rewind button will break the video cache and make you download it all again"
11:05 Squint Apple dev guides are all videos
11:05 Squint like it's friendly or something
11:05 Squint but it covers about 5 minutes of material in about 30 minutes and it's hard to go back to as a reference
11:06 furrywolf aaannnddd Iiiiimmmm goooiiinnngggg ttoooo ssslllloooowwwwlllyyy deeeessscccciiiiiiiibeee thiiings whiiiile hooollldddiiiiinggg theeee cammmeeerrraaaa iiinnnn ooonnnneeee spooottt juuuussstttt liiiiikkkeeee itttt waaaassss aaaaa stiiiilllll phooottoooo...
11:06 Tom_itx wanna get kicked?
11:07 rrywolf is very, very tempted to reply "noooooooo
11:07 ace4016 Squint, i hate video tutorials for things like that
11:07 furrywolf same here. video is rarely better than text, and often much worse.
11:08 ace4016 useful with art and some music stuff and all
11:08 ace4016 things that a single frame can't capture
11:08 furrywolf yep
11:08 Squint they are a great way to say "look at my robot it's cool"
11:08 SolarNRG Video shows things like how to operate your hands, stirring techniques, little things describing with text often misses
11:08 Squint they are a really bad way to say "push file|open and type the following"
11:08 furrywolf but videos that are just some guy talking, with absolutely nothing over just writing down what he's saying...
11:09 Tom_itx videos are good for processes that show change
11:10 Tom_itx a picture is worth a thousand words, so if you can explain it in less just use txt
11:11 furrywolf mplayer lets you play videos at higher speeds, which can be very nice... it makes everyone sound like the chipmunks, but it's worth it.
11:11 Tom_itx and if words can't explain it, don't bother wasting the bandwidth
11:12 Tom_itx doin ok zhanx?
11:12 SolarNRG "wasting bandwidth" I got 12 megabit... that's obscene, it takes seconds to download an MP3 these days
11:13 SolarNRG I remember back in the ol 20th century I could be waiting for an hour for beatles mp3
11:13 zhanx Tom_itx: other room
11:13 m_itx goes to the kit
11:13 furrywolf kitchen? FOOD!
11:22 zhanx food is good
11:24 SolarNRG i got tarte au citroen
11:24 SolarNRG yum
12:02 zhanx i should be doing something but i am sitting in the lazy boy being lazy
12:09 rue_house Tom_itx shall I give you kats mailing address for the hubs?
12:33 NotWorthCr4p .
12:35 rrywolf hops on kat's
12:35 rue_house toms still waiting for kats address...
12:36 tWorthCr4p automatically preens f
12:36 NotWorthCr4p Tom's not sending
12:36 furrywolf mrrf :)
12:39 SolarNRG I think the electron beam melter must be the be-all to end all, 3d printing in titanium :o Shame a system like this costs millions
12:40 NotWorthCr4p it shouldn't cost millions, it's actually easy to get an ion beam of titanium set up
12:40 NotWorthCr4p or any other pure metal
12:40 NotWorthCr4p mixutures, like steel or other alloys, is timeconsuming
12:41 NotWorthCr4p what makes it so not worth it is the speed of deposition
12:41 NotWorthCr4p and the waste
12:42 NotWorthCr4p you can plate copper onto almost anything faster than you can beam it as copper atoms
12:42 furrywolf and cleaning the chamber.
12:43 NotWorthCr4p furry knows of what i speak
12:44 NotWorthCr4p the chamber will get coated with as thick a layer of metal as that which you wanted built
12:44 SolarNRG OMG, do you know what titanium does?
12:44 SolarNRG Skip to 3:00 on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDhnwLheoU4
12:45 NotWorthCr4p tell us
12:45 NotWorthCr4p afk
12:46 SolarNRG This firefighter is trying to put out the titanium fire with wate
12:46 SolarNRG r
12:46 SolarNRG he runs out of water
12:46 SolarNRG a second later a big explosion flies him off his ffeet
12:47 SolarNRG and these white hot things rain down on him
12:47 SolarNRG and burns through his "fireproof" suit
12:48 furrywolf because water is a bad idea on metal fires?
12:48 SolarNRG Yeah, I'd have thought they'd be using a graphite powder
12:48 furrywolf good ol' sand works very well
12:48 SolarNRG At that temp, it'd turn to glass
12:49 SolarNRG I mean it would be cool to make hi temp resistant, strong, light metal structures out of titanium, but I didn't realise how dangerous and how difficult it is to work with
12:49 furrywolf which still keeps oxygen out.
12:50 SolarNRG You have to get it to 1700 degress or greater without any air or else it burns like crazy and can even detonate
12:50 NotWorthCr4p magnesium and sodium are bad also
12:51 SolarNRG And lithium
12:52 SolarNRG I heard hafnium burns hot and gives off a toxic vapour
12:52 furrywolf uranium
12:52 SolarNRG Chernobyl is a good example
12:52 SolarNRG A glob of roasting hot liquid U235
12:53 SolarNRG Ate through the earth that di
12:53 SolarNRG d
12:54 SolarNRG created a "hellovator"
13:56 rue_house a fireman would not use water on a metal fire
13:57 rue_house he would use a class D extnguishment compound
13:58 ace4016 sand works
13:58 ace4016 iirc
13:58 SolarNRG Rue you're right, then why didn't the LAFD in this case?
13:58 SolarNRG They SHOULD have used Class D
13:59 SolarNRG Their actions probably CAUSED the explosion
14:01 SolarNRG Skip to 3:00 on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDhnwLheoU4
14:12 SolarNRG Do you guys think I could make gears like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NyZCu2d_c
14:12 SolarNRG With a big fresnel lens?
14:14 Steffanx How many years do you have?
14:15 SolarNRG I think about 45
14:15 Steffanx Go for it
14:17 Steffanx And move to africa
14:20 Steffanx I like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJot9WKybQE&feature=related
14:34 SolarNRG Steffanx, that's a lot bigger than my one
14:34 rue_shop yay, I have the main part of both battery holders done for the hexapod
14:35 SolarNRG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaL-OyhwD6o
14:35 SolarNRG That's how puny mine is by coparisom
14:35 rue_shop SolarNRG, did you track down an element yet?
14:35 SolarNRG Yeah I'm looking in my catelog
14:35 rue_shop DONT GET A NEW ONE
14:35 SolarNRG Some elements don't reach the temp required for ally
14:36 e_shop hits his head ont eh
14:36 rue_shop SolarNRG,
14:36 rue_shop this is important
14:36 rue_shop here is how heat works
14:36 rue_shop if you put more energy into something than you get out, the something accumulates heat as the difference
14:37 rue_shop so, if you take a SUPER DUPER INSULATED BOX and put a 1W resistor in it, it will get up to a million degrees given enough time
14:37 SolarNRG Well where do I get an old one in a sleepy village in Scotland from?
14:38 rue_shop ANY element of more than 300W will be able to outpace the heat loss of even a half descently insulted chamber
14:38 SolarNRG Rue, the wire that puts current into the system will probably die before it reaches a thousand
14:38 SolarNRG 1kw element?
14:38 rue_shop SolarNRG, do people throw out their stoves when they break or get them fixed?
14:38 SolarNRG There's none in the back garden
14:39 rue_shop SolarNRG, no, because the element sticks out the side, there is enough heat loss to keep the temp down to the point where stove wire will not have its insulation burn off
14:39 SolarNRG What wire am I soldering onto the tips?
14:39 rue_shop SolarNRG, so do people throw out their stoves or get them fixed?
14:39 rue_shop never solder heating junctions
14:39 SolarNRG I don't know, I've not seen any old ones lying around
14:39 rue_shop always bolt and crimp them
14:39 SolarNRG ??
14:39 rue_shop SolarNRG, this is odd
14:40 SolarNRG Do I need a crimping tool?
14:40 rue_shop every time someone like you comes along and I tell them to get something simple like a broken radio, they state that its impossable
14:40 rue_shop SolarNRG, no, pliers work great
14:40 SolarNRG OK
14:40 SolarNRG Say I cycle around and I eventually find an old cooker
14:40 SolarNRG Electric cooker oven yeah?
14:41 rue_shop stovetop
14:41 SolarNRG ??
14:41 rue_shop how the language fails us
14:41 SolarNRG You're american aren't you?
14:41 SolarNRG Curse you webster
14:41 rue_shop NO, I'm canadian
14:41 furrywolf what's the specs on those little ceramic ptc elements they used for igniters on modern ovens? they glow a really nice orange, and are self-regulating too.
14:42 SolarNRG "self regulating"??? As in has a thermostat
14:42 rue_shop http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/120505/098r1/5400b5k_23.jpeg
14:42 rue_shop you do not want regualted
14:43 rue_shop http://www.bombayharbor.com/productImage/0877129001287286881/Electric_Hot_Plate_Electric_Stove.jpg
14:43 rue_shop http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v2/419195791/Double_Electric_Stove.jpg
14:44 rue_shop I'll bet
14:44 rue_shop if I mail you one now, it will get there before you get one
14:44 rue_shop and that would take 2 months
14:44 rue_shop you have 240V mains?
14:46 Tom_itx rue_shop, what settings will improve voip?
14:46 furrywolf haven't you been telling him to stick a stove burner in an insulated box for at least a week now?
14:46 SolarNRG yes
14:46 SolarNRG we have 240v
14:47 rue_shop next weekend I'll get two elements from the tip
14:47 SolarNRG Do I attach copper wire from the terminal crimp bolts to the mains?
14:47 SolarNRG Nothing in between?
14:47 SolarNRG No fancy capacitors
14:47 SolarNRG water jets
14:47 SolarNRG nothing like that?
14:47 rue_shop right, just apply power directly to them
14:47 SolarNRG Are they polarity dependent?
14:47 rue_shop no
14:48 SolarNRG Is there a risk of shock?
14:48 SolarNRG Do I need a switch?
14:48 SolarNRG What sort of wire should I use?
14:48 furrywolf do we need to wipe for you too?
14:48 rue_shop you got me thinking I should convert my smelter, because diesel is getting really expensive, even when I'm just buying 4L
14:48 SolarNRG YEah, I'm dead against consumable fuels
14:48 rue_shop SolarNRG, if you can pull the plug you ok
14:49 SolarNRG Easy enough, 10a fuse as you said
14:49 SolarNRG Will my existing tongs suffice
14:49 SolarNRG can i use my existing graphite crucible?
14:49 rue_shop SolarNRG, whats your plug breaker rating?
14:49 SolarNRG hang on
14:49 rue_shop SolarNRG, no you want a steel pot, to conduct the heat really well
14:49 SolarNRG 2400w/240v fully unwound plug fuse 10amp
14:50 SolarNRG do not use when wet
14:50 rue_shop yea
14:50 rue_shop you can put a switch on it if you like
14:50 SolarNRG How can I lift a steel pot out with my existing tongs?
14:50 SolarNRG My tongs are ideal for the graphite crucible
14:50 rue_shop rig somethig up to the put to pull it out
14:51 rue_shop make sure its secure, you dont want to drop 1L of molten alum on your foot
14:51 furrywolf chain.
14:51 rue_shop I have two spades out the side of my pot, the pot hangs on them in the smelter and I have a fork like tool with hooks to pull it out and put it in a pouring holder
14:52 rue_shop SolarNRG, watch some youtube videos to see how casting is usually done
14:52 SolarNRG Zuh? My graphite crucible has a lip, the tongs fit snug in the lip I close the tongs I pick it up I pour
14:52 furrywolf I need to build a ~1l smelter one of these days... want to try making some cast aluminum light fixtures.
14:53 SolarNRG They have all kindsa tools I have not seen advertised anywhere
14:53 SolarNRG So I want a 1 litre steel paint kettle basically
14:53 SolarNRG yeah?
14:53 SolarNRG From B and Q
14:55 SolarNRG How do I when I'm mixing and adding the cement, sand and perlite to embed the element in theres a big enough gap to fit the paint kettle?
14:57 SolarNRG I mean I'm thinking a really big paint tin as the outer limit and have like something a little bigger than the paint kettle on the inside, wind the element around with the two prongs sticking outside the can and fill the mixed concrete in
14:57 SolarNRG Use epoxy so the ends stick out the side but the cement does not
14:57 rue_shop no, place the steel pot directly ontop of the element
14:57 rue_shop not a paint tin
14:58 rue_shop a steel cooking pot or soemthing thicker
14:58 SolarNRG I thought I was embedding the element IN some concrete?
14:58 rue_shop no, make an insulated chamber that you put the element in the bottom of and have the wires stick out the side
14:58 rue_shop did you look at my smelter?
14:59 SolarNRG I saw an oil drum with a door at the bottom
14:59 rue_shop no its a hot water tank
14:59 rue_shop its lines on the inside with the insulating mix
14:59 rue_shop er lined
15:00 SolarNRG Can the insulating mix include agricultural perlite?
15:00 rue_shop mine is perlite and concrete
15:00 SolarNRG Is the element embedded in the perlite concrete?
15:00 rue_shop it sheds a little, but adding to it isn't hard
15:00 rue_shop no
15:00 rue_shop place the element on the bottom and put the pot directly on it
15:00 SolarNRG The element can move then?
15:01 SolarNRG Are there walls around the pot?
15:01 rue_shop have NO INSULATING MATERIAL BETWEEN THE ELEMENT AND THE POT
15:01 SolarNRG OK
15:01 rue_shop put the pot and the element in a insulated chamber
15:01 SolarNRG ??
15:01 SolarNRG How do I get one of those?
15:02 rue_shop thats why it gets hot enough to melt the aluminum, cause your adding 500+W of heat and it cant get out, so the temp goes up
15:02 rue_shop use a metal can large enough that there is room for the pot and the element after adding the insulation
15:02 Tom_itx think ceramic oven
15:02 rue_shop you can use kiln bricks to make it out of if you want
15:02 Tom_itx the type they bake ceramics in
15:03 SolarNRG Where do I get one of those from?
15:03 Tom_itx make it
15:03 rue_shop kiln bricks or a metal can?
15:03 rue_shop for a metal can, you can use a small rubbish bin if you like
15:03 SolarNRG OK, how about two drums, one big enough for the can, one much bigger than that. I place two inside each otehr, I fill with concrete and perlite, i let dry then I have an insulative "ring"
15:04 rue_shop yes
15:04 rue_shop great idea!
15:04 SolarNRG Won't there be a gap between the element and the walls around the metal can?
15:04 rue_shop thats ok
15:04 SolarNRG Can I use my exsiting calcium silicate box?
15:04 SolarNRG I have a double ring there
15:04 rue_shop as long as the element and the pot are ultimitly surrounded by an insulating chamber than it'll work
15:04 rue_shop if its big enough, sure
15:05 rue_shop the pot has to go on the element
15:05 SolarNRG Lid?
15:05 rue_shop insulated
15:05 SolarNRG Will Calcium Silicate work ok?
15:05 rue_shop I have a large lawn mowing robot to go work on
15:05 SolarNRG It's proven to be reasonable so far for my microwave experiments
15:05 SolarNRG OK
15:05 SolarNRG Thanks for your advice
15:05 SolarNRG I'll begin work tomorrow when everything is open
15:20 rue_house SolarNRG, I'm gonna make a huge tilt and pan mirror, have any suggestions?
15:21 rue_house I prolly dont need more than 90 degrees base rotation
15:22 rue_house this could make a nice little welding project
15:26 NotWorthCr4p 1) balance the whole jig so moving it in any way does not involve lifting against gravity 2) make it possible to drop it inverted flat on the ground in event of high winds 3) make the backside covered so when inverted on the ground hail won't shatter all your pricey mirror
15:26 rue_house i like it!
15:26 rue_house the mirrors were free, but thats a trivial detail
15:27 NotWorthCr4p yea, i have lots of good ideas, hence i am not worth crap
15:27 rue_house did you tell tom wehre to mail them to yet?
15:28 rue_house so I prolly need a big rotating base first
15:29 NotWorthCr4p Tom's last words to me was he wasn't sending them
15:30 rue_house tho as I understand thats not what he said, he said he didn't know where to send them, which is reasonable becuese you didn't give him your address
15:30 NotWorthCr4p he said i wasn't here any more
15:30 rue_house thats because you left the channel
15:31 NotWorthCr4p does it LOOK like i left the channel?
15:31 rue_house I know kat, I cant keep track of all the other depressed nicks
15:31 Tom_itx i never said such a thing
15:31 rue_house it could also be that you were not replying to him
15:32 rue_house as I do when I'm not here
15:32 rue_house which is EXACTLY WHY YOU ACCUSED ME OF IGNORING YOU
15:32 rue_house :/
15:33 NotWorthCr4p rue and i were both talking to solar, but rue was not talking to me
15:33 rue_house !thislog
15:33 tobbor This one: http://rueshouse.dyndns.org:82/~ircjunk/irclogs/html/%23robotics-2012-05-06.html
15:33 rue_house when?
15:33 NotWorthCr4p shortly before i left garf and changed nicks
15:34 NotWorthCr4p anyhow, Tom doesn't know what to do with the parts, he believes i am not me, and i have left
15:34 rue_house go by somethig you said, I dont log joins parts or nick changes
15:34 rue_house matter a fact I filtered them out of my irc clients
15:35 NotWorthCr4p rue, it doesn't matter, i'm wrong no matter what
15:35 rue_house Tom_itx, hows about I just give you her address so we can get past this?
15:37 Tom_itx i don't have anything to send yet
15:37 rue_house ah there not cut yet?
15:37 Tom_itx when i do i'll ask for it from her if katsmeow is here
15:38 Tom_itx they are cut, i need to mount the hub and cut the axle material
15:39 NotWorthCr4p "if katsmeow is here" ?
15:39 rue_house ah there are a few peices to it
15:39 rue_house your nick isn't kat
15:39 Tom_itx i don't recognize NotWorthCr4p
15:39 rue_house he wants you to put on your respectable nametag
15:39 Tom_itx because it is an erronious nick for you
15:39 Tom_itx and untrue
15:41 Tom_itx rue_house, did you see the parts
15:41 rue_house no
15:41 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/
15:41 Tom_itx 4 5 and 6 are the best
15:41 NotWorthCr4p are you going to send them or not?
15:41 Tom_itx that was the plan
15:42 NotWorthCr4p what IS the plan now?
15:42 rue_house this has me interested
15:42 rue_house he has to finish making the parts
15:43 rue_house then he will address somone by the name katsmeow in an irc channel to get a mailing address
15:43 Tom_itx my plan has never changed
15:43 rue_house then he will mail them to that address
15:43 NotWorthCr4p yeas, that works
15:43 Tom_itx heh
15:44 rue_mohr iiinteresting
15:44 SolarNRG My suggestions regarding tilt and pan... Use BIG gears
15:44 SolarNRG Stepper motors of at least 3NM
15:44 SolarNRG Double tap grub screws onto the flat of the rotor
15:44 NotWorthCr4p My suggestions regarding tilt and pan... design so you do not need great forces
15:45 SolarNRG Drill 4 holes into the big gear and double bolt each face
15:45 rue_mohr I think I'm seriously killing toms bandwidth
15:45 SolarNRG The panel that the 4 bolts goes to is what goes left and right
15:45 rue_mohr I can use dc motors with a feedback pot too, I'm good for that
15:45 SolarNRG Build another gearbox on there with two big rotor arms attached to either side of the big gear and they go in between some big bearings
15:46 rue_mohr eeek
15:46 e_mohr grabs a
15:46 Tom_itx rue_mohr i think i need a new router
15:47 rue_mohr is the on your using now running an intel processor?
15:47 Tom_itx no idea
15:48 rue_mohr AMD processors shovel data faster
15:48 Tom_itx linksys i think
15:48 rue_mohr intel processors are better at pondering data
15:48 Tom_itx i tried to set up a linux box but that didn't get far
15:48 Tom_itx my pcs use amd
15:48 NotWorthCr4p cheap asics shovel data even faster
15:48 rue_mohr k, I'm gonna go lay out in the sun
16:12 furrywolf too hot today!
16:13 furrywolf trying to repot plants, and it's too hot in the sun.
16:13 furrywolf it's over 60F in the shade.
17:23 rue_mohr yea I been laying out in it while the mowerbot does the lawn
17:23 rue_mohr its awesome
17:24 DanFrederiksen rue_mohr, got video?
17:25 rue_mohr youtube for ruenahcmohr and go thru the results
17:25 rue_mohr I think there are 3 videos
17:26 NotWorthCr4p John Massengale says "We'll you figure the cost of a hotel room at night, Roy owns the camper. I'm saving a ton of money."
17:26 rue_mohr ?
17:27 NotWorthCr4p it's difficult to understand the humans here
17:27 rue_mohr there wasn't enough context in what you said for me to know whats going on
17:27 rue_mohr I need to go grocery shopping
17:28 thefinal what kind of motion control board use robots like icub, amar III, hrp and other humanoid? i mean, there are a lot of brush and brushless motors involved...
17:29 rue_mohr people use an arm or soemthing and do their own motion control
17:31 thefinal like the stellar is from TI?
17:31 thefinal sorry, stellaris
17:31 rue_mohr I'm not versed ont eh different arm chips
17:31 rue_mohr what you trying to do?
17:31 thefinal no, it was just curiosity..
17:32 rue_mohr ok well got my grocery list sorted
17:33 rue_mohr DanFrederiksen, did you find it?
17:35 DanFrederiksen yep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-I28nsCTc
17:37 DanFrederiksen although looks like the lawn could use an overhaul
17:38 DanFrederiksen more weed than grass at this point : )
17:38 DanFrederiksen but nice
17:38 DanFrederiksen how does it stay on the grass?
17:38 rue_mohr just bumpers
17:38 rue_mohr its got optical side wiskers that shy away from tall grass
17:39 rue_mohr wow, the solder pot hit 17.5k
17:40 rue_mohr its intersting how when people find an interseting video by somoene they dont dig around a little
17:49 SolarNRG evening
17:53 zhanx i am waiting for the solder pot to implode
17:53 SolarNRG solder pot?
17:53 zhanx <rue_mohr> wow, the solder pot hit 17.5k
17:53 zhanx <rue_mohr> its intersting how when people find an interseting video by somoene they dont dig around a little
17:53 zhanx * SolarNRG (1@94-195-174-233.zone9.bethere.co.uk) has joined #robotics
17:53 zhanx <SolarNRG> evening
17:54 zhanx umm the time stamps failed
17:54 SolarNRG You now know my ip
17:55 SolarNRG You can actually see me if you go into vlc player, open up media-->open network stream then paste in http://94.195.174.233:8554
17:55 zhanx everyone knows your ip
17:55 SolarNRG I'm broadcasting live
17:55 SolarNRG Yeah but you don't know my live video stream on that open port!
17:57 zhanx well i didnt open scan either
18:03 zhanx planted half the garden outside today
18:54 rue_shop I mowed part of the lawn
18:57 e_shop sits down with the new mowerbot for a min before deciding thet right now the tilt and pan mirror is a more intersting pro
18:57 rue_shop hmm wonder how I make a good bed for a mirror
18:57 NotWorthCr4p i can tell you
18:57 rue_shop pls
18:58 rue_shop hmm something lighter than bedframe
18:59 NotWorthCr4p 2 aluminum angle (cause it won't rust) on a steel frame, run a bead of that yellow canned foam down the angle, lay in your mirror on top of the foam, mash in
18:59 NotWorthCr4p i have had mirror stuck in a dab of foam outside for 12 years, trashed because of dogs, and the stuff is still holding
18:59 zhanx rue bed mirror is kinky
19:01 NotWorthCr4p http://designerthinking.com/images/solar/figuring%20angles%20in%20driveway.jpg
19:02 NotWorthCr4p teh frame is 1x1 square tubing, with 1/2x1/2 angle set in the long spans for the mirror to set on
19:03 NotWorthCr4p you can see the angle in the far upper end of the 7x1ft opening
19:03 NotWorthCr4p when stuffed with 21 pieces of 1x1ft miror, they all lit up a line at 3x suns
19:05 NotWorthCr4p the backwards trick to this scheme, is when i laid over the back some 14awg steel plate, and sealed it, and pulled a vacuum, the mirror all went concave and the mirrors all focused to a single line only 2inches wide, from 3ft wide of mirror
19:05 NotWorthCr4p making it 18x suns
19:05 NotWorthCr4p and i didn't haveto aim or manually dish each mirror by hand
19:06 rue_shop thats so much more advanced than what I was thinking....coool
19:06 rue_shop ok
19:06 rue_shop what have I got around here to use as a pivot then...
19:07 NotWorthCr4p http://designerthinking.com/images/solar/pivot%20pin%20in%20concrete.jpg
19:08 NotWorthCr4p i was gonna make the rim of the mirror array round, and set a rim in the ground for the wheels to roll on, then in hurricanes and tornadoes, i flip the dish and drop it below that rim for wind protection
19:08 rue_shop I was trying to think if I could makea round track enough to put some sheels on
19:08 NotWorthCr4p of course you can
19:09 NotWorthCr4p set the pin, then with a board with a hole in the end, set over pin, and swing it around
19:09 NotWorthCr4p borrow a trencher, fasten to board, let it make a few rounds, then fill with concrete
19:10 NotWorthCr4p else, mark the grouns and lay down some board
19:11 rue_shop rollerblade wheels!
19:11 NotWorthCr4p it's going to turn over the ground only once a day, if your yard grass can take it, and you have dynamic aiming, and no high winds, i'd not pour/set any outer rim, just use a fat tire that won't uproot the grass, and let it go
19:11 rue_shop heh, one difference kat, I'm making it a portable jig
19:11 NotWorthCr4p rollerblade wheels will definitely kill grass
19:13 rue_shop wonder how much bedframe it takes to make a mecha, I think I'm overstocked
19:17 rue_shop little low on energy too
19:18 rue_shop hmm
19:18 rue_shop got this chair base sitting here goin rusty
19:19 rue_shop and I got a better one in the basement
19:19 orlok so, i tried to replace my cars fuel guage on the weekend.. turns out there were two models of dash
19:19 orlok one with a plastic sheet with metal traces, and a central plug that connects to it
19:20 orlok and another eith individual plug/sockets for every connection
19:20 orlok .. grrr. :-\
19:25 rue_shop mm
19:25 rue_shop yea this chair base is so rusted up I can make what I want from scratch easier than fixing it
19:26 rue_shop orlok, your sure its the guage and not the sender?
19:31 Tom_itx ok. that didn't work.
19:36 rue_shop kat, what idd you use the fill in the back for the vaccumme
19:37 rue_shop bah, my tapered rollerbearing is just the wrong size
19:52 zhanx i need another welder
19:55 SolarNRG How tricky would it be to have a grid of 30,000 2cmx2cm mirrors whose angle could be minutely adjusted by 2 bolts by hand?
20:12 zhanx for 80 bucks i think i can a camera on the moon
20:26 NotWorthCr4p rue, i already gave you the answwer to that, re-read what i said
20:29 NotWorthCr4p solar, switch to a 4x8 rectangle, and use a cnc milling machine to drill and tap for the 60,000 #10-32 screws (not bolts)
20:30 NotWorthCr4p at one minute per screw to adjust it (adjust, check, adjust, check,etc) you'll need 16 hours to set the screws
20:48 Tom_itx katsmeow, you around?
20:48 Tom_itx rue_shop
20:49 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub7.jpg
20:49 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub8.jpg
20:49 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub9.jpg
20:52 tWorthCr4p l
20:54 NotWorthCr4p looks very nice
20:54 Tom_itx didn't turn out as planned
20:54 Tom_itx i had to ream the hole and put a setscrew in it
20:54 Tom_itx can you grind a flat on the shaft?
20:54 NotWorthCr4p yeas, easily
20:55 Tom_itx i didn't do that since that would let you position it wherever you wanted
20:55 NotWorthCr4p edge of a file, or touch with a new grinding wheel
20:55 NotWorthCr4p cool
20:56 NotWorthCr4p so you will be sending them to me?
20:57 Tom_itx was grabbing some bubblewrap..
20:58 Tom_itx usps ok?
20:58 NotWorthCr4p fine, yeas
20:59 tsmeow wonders how to get to the back of the trash pile to get the parts back
20:59 Tom_L ok where in baba should the stork drop this?
20:59 Tom_L bama*
21:03 DanFrederiksen Tom_itx, what's it for?
21:04 katsmeow cuple days ago, some locals drove by the space flight museum in Huntsville, and shot up the Federally-owned real Saturn 5 rocket on load from the Smithsonian, which is INSIDE the museum
21:09 DanFrederiksen hehe classy
21:15 Tom_itx we have one of those mounted outside ours
21:19 katsmeow they dunno who did it yet, but charges are all felonies: shooting from moving vehicle, shooting into occupied building, shooting up federal property, shooting during a felony, etc
21:22 katsmeow i think it was only like 5 yrs ago they made it illegal to drive around with a rifle rack in the rear window of a pickup truck
21:24 Tom_itx so they put them under the seat now?
21:24 katsmeow or in racks behind the tilt-forwards seat
21:47 katsmeow in news totally unrelated to guns (as if, this IS alabama), a 13 yr old boy was shot dead trying to carjack 2 adults in a gated community, and an 18 yr old girl was shot dead scrounging for things to steal at a fish camp with 3 boyfriends
21:54 Tom_itx she had 3 boyfriends?
22:05 katsmeow apparently quite a slut
22:09 katsmeow i could start a business :"thinking of doing something illegal, and possibly stupid? call me and let me telly ou how it might turn out, *before* you do it!" , but someone would shut me down for fortune telling
22:19 rue_shop yay! kats back
22:20 tsmeow ponders a future in which you could get prosecuted because your robot got loose and didn't have the brains to not sit on the monorail during tra
22:20 Tom_itx rue_shop, look for new pics
22:20 rue_shop so kat, I took you idea, reduced it to one wheel, made the wheel REALLY small and then put it on a REALLY small track
22:20 katsmeow did you get really small solar power?
22:23 rue_shop its not done yet, I didn't motorize it
22:23 rue_shop and the base isn't wide enough yet
22:24 Tom_itx <Tom_itx> rue_shop
22:24 Tom_itx <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub7.jpg
22:24 Tom_itx <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub8.jpg
22:24 Tom_itx <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/hub9.jpg
22:28 katsmeow pivot <| two wheels ?
22:29 katsmeow i was going to do several wheels ( + ) several wheels
22:30 katsmeow with the frame tween the wheels and to the center pivot really low, for the flipped dish to sit on during bad weather
22:30 rue_mohr !assist robots/buddy_III/p1030972.jpg
22:30 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/buddy_III/p1030972.jpg
22:31 rue_mohr the battery connector support for buddy3
22:31 katsmeow only the mirror frame was to flip, the rest would just lay down
22:31 katsmeow yo know edge connector fingers like that are good for only an amp, right?
22:33 katsmeow course, you have 15 fingers on each connector
22:35 rue_mohr the max current for the pack is 2.5A
22:35 rue_mohr the 15 are all used up for different tings
22:35 rue_mohr 7 of them are for the leds
22:36 rue_mohr then 4 each for the batteries (2 circuits of 3 in series)
22:37 rue_mohr assist images/solarbearing.jpg
22:37 rue_mohr !assist images/solarbearing.jpg
22:37 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/solarbearing.jpg
22:38 katsmeow umm
22:40 m_itx has learned not to question rue's proj
22:40 m_itx goes to s
22:41 katsmeow well, ok, i won't either, but i know of two other ways to do that
22:44 rue_mohr I was prtty happy to just find two pipes that fit into each other
22:45 rue_mohr I burned myself good too
22:45 rue_mohr noting like leaning on red hot metal
22:45 rue_mohr must work out sometime why the sensation of the heat dosn't go away
22:47 katsmeow pain nerves can be like a flipflop and not reset for years
22:47 rue_mohr !assist robots
22:47 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots
22:48 katsmeow it's even been prooven that it's best to hold them "off" with pre-pain meds before injury than to try to turn them "off" once pain has set them "on"
22:48 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm5/p1030984.jpg
22:49 katsmeow oo, scopeinthecorner
22:49 rue_mohr since the prev pic we changed the rotation motor and did a wire cleanup
22:49 rue_mohr thats my 2 ch 25Mhz
22:50 katsmeow why are there two actuators on the end?
22:50 rue_mohr thumb and fingers are seperate, helps make up for not having a wrist
22:50 katsmeow big actualtors for fingers, that ting must have a eckof a grip
22:50 rue_mohr 400kg
22:51 katsmeow !convert 400kg
22:51 rue_mohr its basically 1:1 by the time it gets there
22:51 rue_mohr 881 lbs
22:51 rue_mohr well 882
22:51 rue_mohr it can crush cans
22:51 katsmeow and to think all i was aiming for was to lift a car battery, not crush it
22:54 rue_mohr its modeled after an excavator with thumb
22:54 tsmeow
22:56 tsmeow hasto
22:56 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/arm5/p1030087.jpg
22:56 rue_mohr feel free to page thru the dir
23:00 katsmeow bak
23:03 katsmeow i see the arm is near the toaster oven to make grilled cheese sammiches, that's good
23:04 rue_mohr huh, I wonder why that was out
23:04 rue_mohr oh I did a overhaul ont eh reflow
23:04 rue_mohr I got the serial link working
23:04 rue_mohr now I can do thermal profiling
23:05 katsmeow so when the hexapod is done, this arm can pick it up and set it on the floor?
23:05 rue_mohr not if it keeps trying to destroy it
23:07 katsmeow ah
23:10 tsmeow cannot locate rue's overhead bridge c
23:40 katsmeow ...
23:40 katsmeow 30 minutes waiting that i won't get back, so bbl
23:44 rue_mohr hmm the gantry
23:44 rue_mohr wonder where I filed that
23:44 rue_mohr I think its random