#robotics Logs

Mar 26 2012

00:05 katsmeow-afk doncha hate it when you load 200 documents into a word editor and when you try to do a global search/replace , it dies?
00:05 theBear lol, yeah, tried to avoid that last few years, too many bitter memories :)
00:10 rue_house katsmeow-afk,
00:10 rue_house #garf pls
00:11 theBear is that like what tom often says in #avr, or something more err, non-channel related ?
00:11 theBear and seriously rue, i know you know best, and you do, but lemme just repeat, that serpent is an ASS
00:14 rue_house oh
00:14 rue_house yea your right
00:15 theBear naturally i don't suggest doing anything, you DO know best, just felt you needed to be aware
00:15 rue_house next time someone ask that he be kicked on ~grounds~ and we will
00:48 theBear lol, you spelt self wrong :)
03:49 gaze__ say I have a random motor and all the glorious test equipment in the world. How would I figure out the best voltage to run that motor at? It's a tiny maxon motor
04:10 katsmeow-afk you'd read the oem specs printed on the motor
04:11 katsmeow-afk you'd read the datasheet for the motor
04:11 katsmeow-afk if all that fails, you's measure the internal windings wire diameter with dialcalipers so you can look up the amp capacity for that wire
04:12 katsmeow-afk don't exceed that capacity if at all possible
04:13 katsmeow-afk note the insulation type, look it up, this will tell you how hot the motor can run, class F is hottest, you can basically run it while it's blowing fire and smoke
04:13 katsmeow-afk the smoke will stop, the motor won't
04:14 katsmeow-afk best not to exceed the bearing ratings, you might find the bearing numbers stamped on them somewhere
04:15 katsmeow-afk while you can compare the physical size of themotor to other motors of same physical size, you could be off by a factor of 2
04:15 katsmeow-afk if it's a PM motor, and not wound stators, look up the temperature rating of any other PM motor, run it too hot and the magnets will demagnetise
04:17 katsmeow-afk see if you can find the motor in online catalogs
04:18 katsmeow-afk if you can see the brushes while it's running, don't let them arc excessively,, and check the brush angles, some motors are optomised for one directon only, altho they may run in both directions
04:20 katsmeow-afk "excessive" may be defined as a constant fireball engulfing the commutator, if the commutator is run thusly, it will come loose and fail in a (possibly) attention-getting way
04:21 katsmeow-afk there's a lot of marketting hype and hocus-pocus in brush specs, i'd ignore any brush ratings you find
04:22 katsmeow-afk generally, if any part of the motor runs hot enough to sizzle water, it's prolly way too hot
04:22 katsmeow-afk that includes the brushes
04:37 katsmeow-afk if you have a shaft brake horsepower or dynamometer, and ammeter and voltmeter, you could put a light load on it,and chart the torque/volt/amp curve, this will give you an efficency area, but this doesn't tell you if it's constant duty
04:38 katsmeow-afk neither does it tell you that load is it's rated load
04:39 katsmeow-afk the opposite extreme to a light load is it pulls gobs of current, makes gobs of torque, but makes no rpm, so no hp
04:40 katsmeow-afk idiot puter, i told it 2 hrs ago to delete 88,546 files, and it ran at 100% cpu all that time, and now asks me if i really want to delete them, and says it will take another 30 minutes
04:48 katsmeow-afk of the 30 minutes, 63 minutes are remaining
05:02 phet Hi
05:05 katsmeow-afk hi
05:06 katsmeow-afk of that 63 minutes, 134 are remaining
05:07 phet any recommendation to calibrate a robot and a camera?
05:07 katsmeow-afk umm,, calibrate what need to be accurate for what you are measuring,, else i do not understand such a huge question
05:08 phet calibrate that in the sense I click a pixel in the image camera, and the robot's tool goes there
05:08 katsmeow-afk ahhh,, a mess of optics concerns then
05:09 katsmeow-afk i'd make darned sure nothng moves while you calibrate
05:10 katsmeow-afk make it hit the center pixel, call it (0,0) , then move to the sides, top and bottom, then corners, those should be easy math problems just scaling the ranges
05:10 phet its not that easy to move the robot to (0,0)
05:11 katsmeow-afk if the optics or the movement is non-linear, i can't help you, sorry, maybe someone else can
05:11 phet the camera itself is calibrated with opencv
05:11 katsmeow-afk why is it not easy to move the robot?
05:11 phet because my eye fails
05:12 tsmeow-afk looks conf
05:12 phet what I did before is that I placed the tool in several positions
05:12 phet and then with the calibration matrix I calculated the line from the center to that position
05:12 phet so I have the robot coordinates and the line from the camera
05:12 phet given some of this pairs, I can solve it
05:13 katsmeow-afk good, all done ;-)
05:13 phet this is the ugly way
05:13 katsmeow-afk wasn't there an #opencv channel here?
05:13 phet dead
05:13 phet there is people there, no one talking
05:14 katsmeow-afk ah, same as here sometimes, you just haveto sit your nick in there while other people wake up
05:17 phet some channels are alive, some arent
05:17 tsmeow-afk nods, especially at
05:36 phet katsmeow-afk: 12:26 here
05:58 katsmeow-afk Jaylord , Steffanx , Overburn , rue, suzu , maybe orlok , zhanx , sharp15 , DagoRed <<== this nicks have installed and some have used opencv
06:01 katsmeow-afk perhaps someone should make a channel where peole talk about opencv, instead of just taking up space?
06:27 phet katsmeow-afk: sometimes I feel like the opencv community is dead. though the lib is widely used
06:46 Tom_itx http://www.miketreth.mistral.co.uk/centrecam.htm
06:46 Tom_itx well crap. offer help and he leaves
06:50 dunz0r Making a channel doesn't take many seconds though.
06:51 Tom_itx making a channel work does
06:54 scanf katsmeow-afk: on windows, use 'terracopy' or 'teracopy' to copy files, it is superior to the builtin copy
07:32 SolarNRG Please tell me what you think of my new microwaveable aluminium foundry: http://i.imgur.com/FdPCV.jpg
07:34 Tom_itx does it work?
07:35 Tom_itx beyond that, the workpiece wasn't centered when you milled it
08:03 SolarNRG I didn't mill it
08:03 SolarNRG This company in Birmingham did it for me
08:03 SolarNRG I'll let you know tomorrow
08:03 SolarNRG Its coming up by courier
08:03 SolarNRG But someone's said something and we've had knocks on the door requesting we don't do it outside the flats
08:04 SolarNRG We're now on a bike ride as it is a nice day to find an industrial unit who might let us do the experiment
08:04 SolarNRG I personally am of the attitude of "fuck what the neighbours think" But Lexi objects and its her flat too
08:07 SolarNRG She's worried we'd get chucked out for trying to do a foundry in the back garden
08:07 SolarNRG Because nosey neighbours poke their heads out the windows then get on their phones
08:20 Tom_itx very possible
08:20 Tom_itx not many ppl have foundries in their back yard
08:22 SolarNRG We're on a bike ride to ask the industrial estate very nicely if we can use their outdoors bit with an extension lead for this experiment
08:27 SolarNRG I think its perfectly safe, but twats will moan about it.
08:30 SolarNRG We're off, hopefully I'll have a video for you tomorrow of this experiment NOT in my backyard
08:54 rue_house Tom_itx, why not?
08:55 Tom_itx not many live in the boonies like you
08:56 Tom_itx i've never heard of a microwave foundry
08:57 rue_house I think there is a reason for that
08:59 rue_house ok, morning, what do I do in the morning
08:59 rue_house eat, right
09:00 Tom_itx eat and put at least one boot on for work
09:00 Tom_itx and zip your pants
09:00 Tom_itx (optional)
09:06 Tom_itx rue_house
09:07 rue_house boots, iiiinteresting
09:08 Tom_itx meet me in garf
09:12 sw0rdfish katsmeow-afk, you there?
09:13 sw0rdfish lol ... how ironic it is... I just got a used printer earlier .... and you were the one telling me such things can be useful :)
09:14 rue_house its good to have a collection of components to draw on
09:44 Tom_itx rue_house how can i list users in linux?
09:52 Tom_itx thanks.. got that
09:53 Tom_itx now i need to change permissions so i can run this thing
10:06 Tom_itx ok, i'll work on it more later
10:09 theBear users will show logged in users, cat /etc/passwd or shadow will show usernames that exist
10:10 Tom_itx theBear
10:10 Tom_itx use @
10:10 theBear sorry what ?
10:10 theBear oh i see
10:10 theBear @help math
10:11 theBear @help maths
10:11 theBear @help
10:11 z-log theBear: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
10:11 theBear did you unload maths ?
10:12 Tom_itx no
10:13 Tom_itx @ calc sqrt(255)
10:13 z-log Tom_itx: 15.9687194227
10:13 Tom_itx @ list
10:13 z-log Tom_itx: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Math, Misc, Owner, Plugin, Protector, Seen, Time, and User
10:13 Tom_itx seen will be empty for a while
10:13 Tom_itx unless i kick everybody
10:14 theBear hmm... how come my ones came back as notices and i could see yours ?
10:15 Tom_itx not sure
10:15 Tom_itx it's a permission thing maybe
10:16 Tom_L @ calc 2*2
10:16 z-log Tom_L: 4
10:17 Tom_L @ help math
10:17 Tom_L @ help calc
10:17 z-log Tom_L: (calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.
10:17 Tom_L there
10:17 Tom_itx theBear you need a space between @ help
10:17 Tom_itx also, ask for help about a specific part of math
10:18 Tom_itx ie calc
10:18 theBear considering the mess we'll make getting used to this, you gave rue a headsup right ? :)
10:20 Tom_itx what for?
10:20 Tom_itx i'm not gonna leave it here since it's not on my server
10:20 theBear i dunno, he's a nice guy :)
10:20 Tom_itx heh
10:20 Tom_itx it's in garf
10:21 Tom_itx i'll let it run for a while this morning
10:21 Tom_itx but i'll shut it down and try to move it later on
10:21 Tom_L see what happens
10:21 theBear fairy nuff
10:21 theBear oooh, yer double terminaling again, sneaky bugger :)
10:21 Tom_L couldn't be any worse than flyback rejoining
10:21 Tom_L well i was testing stuff
10:22 Tom_L the logs aren't public yet either
10:22 theBear pfft, couldn't be close to that bad :)
10:22 Tom_L not sure how the note thing works
10:23 theBear on the upside, after many years of negotiation, i can often control him now, and when i can't i can always remove him :)
10:23 Tom_L yeah
10:23 Tom_L time to go..
10:23 theBear erg, i gotta get sleepy, i'm the only one staying sane and holding the family together... i think it's time to remove myself, i'm just so damned shocked how well this damned connection is working all of a sudden
10:24 theBear cya tomorrow with any luck :)
14:24 katsmeow-afk SolarNRG, not run a foundry outdoors? do they realise it's less of a good idea to run one indoors??
14:31 Steffanx So SolarNRG .. how is the solar reflector going?
14:31 Steffanx It's sunny now ..
14:32 Steffanx and the aluminium melting ?
14:38 katsmeow-afk i cannot believe the detail and tenacity of breaking mirror into such small pices and glueing each one, properly aligned, into that dish
14:40 katsmeow-afk for mass harvesting of heat, i'd use no smaller than 6x6 inch pieces, and prolly no more than 10x gain (studies show amateur thermal collectors tend to radiate more than they gain above 10x)
15:06 tsmeow-afk is also lazy that
15:36 katsmeow-afk 500 74F02 Buy It Now $4.99 + $8.80 shipping (total: $13.79)
15:36 katsmeow-afk 500 74F02 Auction $9.99 + $13.95 shipping (total: $23.94)
15:37 katsmeow-afk must be really valuable to insist on offering $10 more than the buy-now price
15:44 ace4016 lol
15:49 katsmeow-afk if i ever see rue irl, i may haveto claw him for getting me addicted to ebay,, the human interactions on that site are incredible, simply not credible
15:56 sw0rdfish hello cool ppl
15:56 sw0rdfish did you see what I said earlier in the afternoon katsmeow-afk
15:56 katsmeow-afk you got printer
15:57 sw0rdfish yep
15:57 sw0rdfish hmmm
15:57 katsmeow-afk iirc, rue has a page on stripping one for useful parts, but i don't know how to get to it, rue can tell you if you need assistance
15:58 sw0rdfish let me read the first two chapters of David Cook's Beginners book... if the items for that simple one-line following robot are cheap and available for shippment to europe ... I'll use the book
15:58 sw0rdfish oh, cool.
15:58 sw0rdfish yeah such a page would be useful :)
16:00 katsmeow-afk two identical printers are more than two times as valuable, so you can get two identical drive motors, for instance
16:14 sw0rdfish I see.
16:15 sw0rdfish well I don't think I can get a second one...
16:15 sw0rdfish hmmmm
17:18 katsmeow-afk heck of a link : <a href="/index.php?title=Caucasian_race&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Caucasian race (page does not exist)">Caucasian</a>
17:18 katsmeow-afk says right in it that the page does not exist
19:19 katsmeow-afk A global operation has been undertaken to disable a number of botnets believed to be responsible for the theft of millions of pounds, Microsoft has said.
19:19 katsmeow-afk http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2012/03/25/microsoft-and-financial-services-industry-leaders-target-cybercriminal-operations-from-zeus-botnets.aspx
19:23 katsmeow-afk The Kelihos botnet was capable of sending 3.8 billion spam emails a day, Microsoft said
19:26 katsmeow-afk yeas, but what will they do when Skynet begins to fight back?
19:44 rue_house Tom_itx, /etc/passwd has a user list
19:56 rue_house ok
19:56 rue_house what did I want me to work on
20:15 Tom_itx i figured it out
20:15 Tom_itx wanna help me work something out?
20:18 rue_house I dont thnk I can stay awake
20:19 rue_house try me
20:19 Tom_itx i need to convert some python code
20:19 Tom_itx but i don't wanna mess it up
20:20 Tom_itx the one bot puts out html logs but the other one just puts out a file
20:20 Tom_itx i wanna change that
20:20 Tom_itx i need to find where in the code the output string is built
20:20 Tom_itx and mod it
20:21 rue_house hmm
20:21 Tom_itx and also find when it writes a new file and add the html header stuff to it
20:21 Tom_itx i have the code to insert however the style is much different
20:21 rue_house I cant help woth that much coding stuff in my current state
20:21 Tom_itx the log code is broken down into modules so there isn't much to sift out
20:22 Tom_itx i'm not asking for code just to see where the strings are output
20:22 Tom_itx once i see one i can probably figure it out from there
20:23 Tom_itx i asked if they had a html logger plugin and they said no
20:28 rue_bed ...
21:49 tsmeow-afk wonders why Tom is making a new channel bot, and why it does more than tobbor and less than T
21:50 theBear he isn't making, just configuring and meeting, and you know, we all have odd desires now and again, and it seems tom wanted something he isn't getting elsewhere (no, i don't mean the undying love of a robot person :)
21:51 theBear hm.... z-log is a funny name... you think it's sexually ambiguous ? the bot that is, not the name
21:52 katsmeow-afk oh
21:52 katsmeow-afk it sounds like a perfectly good machine name
21:54 theBear yeah, i just, you know, like many languages and cultures like to attach a gender to inanimate objects to humanise them somewhat
21:54 theBear 'him, she is a good shed' .... of course moving continents and changing languages can make this a little confused and entertaining :)
21:54 ace4016 did you know numbers have genders?
21:54 ace4016 odd numbers are male, even are female :P
21:57 Tom_itx it interferred with zhanx when rue tab selected so i changed the name
21:59 katsmeow-afk what was it's name?
21:59 zhanx z makes my screen flash while i am programming
21:59 Tom_itx i don't even remember now kat
21:59 zhanx can we make it y-log?
21:59 Tom_itx y?
22:00 zhanx cause z and zhanx flash my screen
22:00 theBear fix it, your name isn't z, it's a common letter
22:00 zhanx rue calls me z
22:00 theBear he was in pulp fiction, not #robotics
22:00 theBear then fix rue :)
22:00 Tom_itx yeah
22:01 Tom_itx i catered to him once
22:01 zhanx fixing rue is impossible
22:01 zhanx ok brb need to finish this code on my light controller for the garden
22:01 katsmeow-afk he's eating too many carbs, not enough protein
22:01 katsmeow-afk it's all that cerial, bread, and pasta
22:02 ace4016 needs more bacon
22:02 theBear cerial bread and pasta are most of my favourite foodses
22:03 theBear i've eaten with rue, not sure if i ever cooked for him tho....
22:03 katsmeow-afk mine too, and now i need to lose 100lbs
22:04 theBear i tried to gain weight few years back, last time i was relatively uninjured and healthy.... i ate stupid amounts of everything, licked all the fat off my plates and pans and exercised and didn't drink or do drugs, NOTHING.... stupid adaptable metabolism
22:05 ace4016 fat isn't bad :P
22:05 theBear damned wrong key stupid
22:05 zhanx lets see if this works https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r5K9kYzs_-A/T3Dcb7Y__nI/AAAAAAAADXs/tw78lDRPP8A/s608/2012-03-26+15.56.36.jpg
22:06 theBear i just wanted to get back to what i was in highschool, big and tough and extra-dangerous.... the more dangerous you are, the less dangerous you have to actually be
22:06 zhanx this is true theBear, people just tend to move away from me 90% of the time
22:06 zhanx that pic work?
22:06 katsmeow-afk i wanna weigh what i weighed when i hurt my back, which was heavy, but i was still thin, because i never stopped moving and doing things
22:07 katsmeow-afk plants!
22:07 zhanx yep part of my "garden"
22:07 katsmeow-afk in soda from the commisary
22:07 zhanx yeppers
22:08 zhanx its got garlic in it
22:08 zhanx doing a light controller for them
22:08 theBear zhanx, over the years, largely from working as a soundguy, i learned how to make people avoid me without words or motions, seems to work better as the years go on, when i had the walking stick i was gagging for some idiot kid(s) to try mugging me and notice they'd made a horrible mistake, but noone came near me....
22:08 katsmeow-afk you see my 2-liter bottle system? cut the bottoms off, punch *little* holes in the bottom piece, stuff the bottom piece into the top, and 5 bottles fit in a 5gallon bucket
22:08 zhanx kat nope
22:09 zhanx theBear: if i just walk with a hoodie up, people avoid me like the plague
22:10 theBear zhanx, heh, kids tehse days all dress funny, that aint enough around here
22:10 zhanx theBear: i am as wide a door and almost as tall as one, helps a bunch
22:11 katsmeow-afk DesignerThinking.com\plants.html
22:11 theBear saw a security guard the other day, normal kinda proportions, but about 6" higher than yer average doorway :)
22:12 theBear i think my abnormally huge veins all over most of me put a lot of people off, i kinda look like a crazy guy about to turn into the hulk most of the time :-)
22:13 zhanx is alot of aloe
22:13 katsmeow-afk smaller now, it was badly distressed for the move, and now the lack of running water here
22:13 zhanx my plants are way smaller still
22:13 theBear vera ? i don't much care for rubbing crushed up processed plants on me
22:14 katsmeow-afk i have water in buckets, but my back was trashed royally moving
22:14 katsmeow-afk bear, also show 5-gal buckets and 2-liter coke "buckets" on my page
22:14 zhanx not processed in kats house
22:15 katsmeow-afk the mama aloe was 5ft wide and the flower stalk one year was 5ft tall
22:15 theBear hmm.... mum used to have one of them, wonder if it's still around... i probly been watering it all week on reflection
22:15 katsmeow-afk my plan was to prmanently pot them in a room divider, but that plan got screwed up
22:17 zhanx i think it would have been easier to buy a light timer vs make one, but its done
22:17 katsmeow-afk now you made one, yo can make more real cheaply
22:18 katsmeow-afk what does it mean? : You need a canvas enabled browser
22:18 katsmeow-afk i never felt this need in me before!
22:19 zhanx i saved 3 dollars yes
22:19 katsmeow-afk save $3 on the*first* one, the rest you can build whenever you can buy the parts deeply discounted
22:20 katsmeow-afk for instance, i see occasionally avr going on ebay for 10 cents each
22:20 katsmeow-afk or 20 relays for 99 cents, etc
22:22 rue_house 3 DOLLARS!
22:22 e_house stret
22:22 rue_house arf
22:27 tsmeow-afk points rue to an example: http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=whey
22:29 theBear morning rue
22:29 theBear lol, newspaper has a pic of the pope in a sombrero :)
22:30 katsmeow-afk rue, i need a working version of your "ABS Black Spiral of Doom" box
22:30 theBear which reminds me, apparently (my mum likes it) the whole state, maybe country is gonna be short of umm, not sol, the other one, corona for a couple months starting about now....
22:30 katsmeow-afk cigars?
22:31 theBear i just thought, if someone says 'you'll rue the day' do they mean i'm gonna get up early, have a healthy breakfast, go work on some mowers and robots and get all kinds of electronics done, do some other useful stuff, rush off late to work then come home exhausted and irc whilei should be making dinner and going to bed ? <grin>
22:31 katsmeow-afk heh
22:36 katsmeow-afk i have so much programmng to be doing, and tomorrow the powerco is shutting off from 8am till 2pm, no reason given
22:37 theBear yeah.... i was just discussing in the other channel how little our powercompany guarantees in any way or form...
22:37 theBear also how since this modemrouter/wifi has been working amazingly well, i've measured 250-253vac out of the wall
22:39 katsmeow-afk they would shut down here several times a day when i first moved here, 10 sec to 10 minutes, 2x or more a day
22:39 katsmeow-afk always one shutdown ~6am, every day
22:40 katsmeow-afk and power is legal here at 135v, even tho it's supposed to be 120v max
22:41 theBear seriously ? that sucks balls !
22:41 orlok nuurrgh
22:42 theBear wow, that's a big tolerance.... 'everything' here is still 240vac, but since about 10 years back the standard is 230+10%-5% ... this is RIGHT on the edge of that
22:43 tsmeow-afk
22:43 katsmeow-afk i lost some pricey equipment on that, and some less pricey
22:43 katsmeow-afk Sansui amp, Marantz amp, Tektronix oscope, two fridges, other things
22:50 theBear ouch
22:51 theBear fortunately everything here is pretty much modern crazy switchers... and this boombox i use for netbook speakers with my magic casette seems fine
22:52 katsmeow-afk switchers can be fried too, 30% overvolt is an overvolt ,, pretty much everything that smoked was nameplated at 115v
22:53 katsmeow-afk power voltage in the usa has been steadily creeping up the last 50 yrs
22:53 rue_house kat, do you have a clampon ammeter?
22:53 theBear here 99% of switchers are rated something like 90-260vac these days
22:53 rue_house here to, the 90vac is a brownout here
22:53 katsmeow-afk was 105, then 107, 110, 112, 115, 117, 120v
22:53 katsmeow-afk rue, i do
22:54 rue_house so whats your current current draw?
22:54 katsmeow-afk i dunno, i don't have it on the mains atm, but i expect it's under 15a @ 120vac
22:55 katsmeow-afk even with the baby fridge running
22:56 katsmeow-afk remember, i built so i could, if needed run the whole place on a 20A 120vac genny , that includes nukebox, fridge, and a/c units
22:56 katsmeow-afk not everything at once tho
22:56 rue_house so you could easily make an autotransformer stepdown
22:56 katsmeow-afk my service entrance is breakered at only 60amp @ 240vac
22:56 rue_house ! a 60A service to a house of that size?
22:57 katsmeow-afk i have a 3kw isolation xformer for th eboat, yeas, i can step down from as high as 480vac
22:57 rue_house your over 1200 square feet aren't ya?
22:57 katsmeow-afk 3000 sq ft, but the top floor has almost zero load
22:58 rue_house almost all houses that size here get 200A
22:58 katsmeow-afk remember, anything i did upstairs made the dogs bark, and i got in trouble, so i quit using the upstairs for anything but storage
22:58 theBear 60/63a is a common feed here, at the master switch/superoverload breaking switch, but pretty sure the power line end is always a 100a power company big-ass fuse
22:58 katsmeow-afk i don't have even 100amp wire in the ground to the SE pole at the road
22:58 orlok kats: why you back in alaforkingbama?
22:59 orlok you may have told me, i forget though..
22:59 katsmeow-afk because the land owner micromanaged me to death, and i realised i was never going to own the place , and he was never going to build the barn
22:59 katsmeow-afk i told ya
22:59 orlok ahh yup.
23:01 katsmeow-afk last words, with summer coming up in Fla, was i could not put aircom unit(s) outside the trailer on small concrete pads,, i could do absolutely nothing with that land except walk from vehicle to front door and back
23:01 katsmeow-afk i packed and left
23:01 katsmeow-afk our agreement was for useable barn and useable land, i got neither
23:15 katsmeow-afk ...
23:16 katsmeow-afk Downloaded: 2012/03/26 19:05
23:16 katsmeow-afk Active Duty Soldier Charged in Drug Running, Murder-for-Hire
23:16 katsmeow-afk Feds Say a First Lieutenant Was Willing to Work With a Drug Cartel
23:18 katsmeow-afk ...
23:47 katsmeow-afk [hackkitten PING reply]: 1hr 8secs
23:53 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCUqKLU7N0&feature=endscreen&NR=1
23:53 rue_house 4min 5 sec, its TOM!
23:56 rue_house THATS why they call it Vscore!