#robotics Logs

Feb 26 2012

00:01 rue_shop must....stop....thinking....
00:05 e_shop knocks on kats sc
01:03 thylane ping me
01:20 e_shop aims caref
01:20 rue_shop with the program I use to make my pcb's
01:20 rue_shop these baords that are almost a solid grid of points start to get confusing
01:21 rue_shop grid of pads
01:21 thylane *__*
01:23 rue_shop but this is great, it would usually take me ages to pack a board this much
01:24 rue_shop and I suppose it did, but pre-doing it really seems to have worked
01:32 rue_house cool
01:54 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAX8RimPmVk
01:54 rue_house check out what Aggrav8ted is up to
02:07 rue_house too bad I couldn't open his site that day
02:20 rue_house why do I suspect that its possable to make a capacitive touch pad with a standard avr?
02:20 rue_house there sure seems to be a lot of hype about them
02:21 rue_house I mean the input leakage on an avr is so low that it can take almost 1/4 sec for the capacitive charge in an LED to leak off
02:21 rue_house 250ms!
02:28 rue_house http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=112110
02:28 rue_house #5$@5^$!@# I threw out a touchpad cause I couldn't find any pinout or protocol into
02:28 rue_house info
02:32 rue_house bah, its 12am and I'm falling asleep
02:33 rue_house I want ot make a light cube with optic fiber
02:33 rue_house ok falling asleep
02:33 rue_house need to shut down shop
08:47 katsmeow-afk mouw
09:54 rue_bed <rue_bed> see the modem?
09:54 rue_bed <rue_bed> you need it to connect to the modem?
09:54 rue_bed <rue_bed> install pump for testing
09:54 rue_bed <rue_bed> pump -i eth0
09:54 rue_bed <rue_bed> where eth0 is the one the modems on
09:54 rue_bed When I upgraded the laptop it installed the power managment system, which I see if going to be trouble
10:00 Tom_itx rue_bed what would i change to bypass the router and go straight to the modem?
10:00 Tom_itx that needs to work or i'm gonna scrap this idea
10:05 Tom_itx i looked at interfaces
10:05 Tom_itx also ports.conf
10:06 Tom_itx and the new one says to mod 000-default too
10:07 rue_bed do you want the wireless to not have access to the same network?
10:07 rue_bed or do you mean port forwarding?
10:08 rue_bed you need to ask the question different
10:08 rue_bed what are you trying to achive
10:09 rue_bed you kinda just said "how do I make the firewall comletely transparent" which nullifies the existance of the firewall
10:17 Tom_itx cablemodem -> 8port switch -> linux dhcp box -> 24port switch
10:18 Tom_itx currently: cablemodem -> router -> linux box (no dhcp) & other pc's
10:18 Tom_itx i said nothing about a firewall
10:19 Tom_itx oh,
10:19 Tom_itx cablemodem -> 8port switch -> linux dhcp box -> 24port switch -> wireless
10:19 Tom_itx cablemodem -> 8port switch -> linux dhcp box -> 24port switch -> wireless and other hardwired pc's
10:20 Tom_itx i want the linux box to replace the router and the wireless access point will replace the wireless part of the router
10:20 Tom_itx the wireless access point will get it's address from the linux box i believe
10:21 Tom_itx as will the other hardwired pc's
10:21 Tom_itx that is the goal
10:21 Tom_itx i'm stuck on A)
10:21 Tom_itx right now
10:21 Tom_itx A) get linux dhcp box to see the cable modem
10:24 rue_bed firewall is router
10:24 rue_bed why do you have a switch on the cablemodem to go to the router?
10:25 rue_bed get pump installed on the router
10:25 rue_bed apt-get install pump
10:25 Tom_itx i have the current server hooked to it as well
10:25 Tom_itx the cablemodem will service more than one point i think
10:25 rue_bed how many connections will they let you have?
10:25 rue_bed I only get 2
10:25 Tom_itx it's so i can share the cablemodem with it
10:25 Tom_itx 2 or 3 i think
10:26 Tom_itx maybe 4
10:26 rue_bed k
10:26 Tom_itx 4 would be tops
10:26 Tom_itx i've used it long ago but i forget how many
10:26 rue_bed apt-get install pump
10:26 Tom_itx i know the 2 systems will not be local to each other
10:27 Tom_itx it is an interim fix
10:27 rue_bed pump is an easy way to get a machine to set up an interface
10:27 rue_bed tell me when you have pump installed on it
10:27 Tom_itx pump?
10:27 Tom_itx oh i though you were looking for an easy way to fix your septic tank :)
10:27 Tom_itx apt-get pump :)
10:28 Tom_itx see the problem is right now, i have to go thru the router to install anything and the conection will bypass that in the end
10:28 Tom_itx otherwise i can't get out on it
10:29 Tom_itx and it is very likely that i dumped the install last night
10:29 Tom_itx so the ssd is likely blank
10:30 Tom_itx which might be good for you as you will know what has been installed
10:38 Tom_itx ...
10:38 Tom_itx yes we will be starting from scratch
10:39 Tom_itx also, parts of the mb aren't supported by linux
10:39 Tom_itx may be the issue with the lan card on it
10:39 Tom_itx it only has one pci slot so i'm limited to that
10:53 rue_bed so just tell me when you have pump installed
10:54 rue_bed the interface shows on ifconfig, so its supported
10:54 rue_bed so just tell me when you have pump installed
10:55 e_bed assures tom that he has not become any easier to
10:56 rue_bed once the software is installed on the router, you can make it do anything you want
11:00 Tom_itx should i install the name server?
11:00 Tom_itx i forget what it's called
11:01 Tom_itx btw sir, i was ready yesterday am when you were ready to help and you left
11:04 rue_bed sorry, septic overflow problems
11:04 rue_bed install pump
11:05 rue_bed you can have the dns server that the isp provides used on the clients or you can run a local sever on the router,
11:05 Tom_itx i'm just starting the install and wanted to get the right options this time
11:05 rue_bed my isp's dns is really unreliable, so I use my own
11:05 Tom_itx so you can use the isp's dns and still keep dhcp?
11:05 rue_bed if your starting the install, when you get to the task selection, select nothing
11:06 rue_bed yes
11:06 rue_bed dns is just name service
11:06 Tom_itx nothing??
11:06 rue_bed dhcp is address issue
11:06 Tom_itx what's dns good for then?
11:06 rue_bed no desktop, no fileserver, nothing
11:06 Tom_itx i know what dhcp is
11:06 rue_bed dns does www.google.ca -> 74.204.12.14
11:06 Tom_itx missing firmware: rt18168e-2.fw
11:07 rue_bed whatever
11:07 rue_bed it should still work
11:07 Tom_itx i'll make eth0 primary wan if i can then
11:07 rue_bed oh
11:08 rue_bed use the interface that comes up as eth0 for the INSIDE
11:08 Tom_itx that would be the mb one
11:08 rue_bed you usually want eth0 to be the trusted interface
11:08 Tom_itx ok for now i'm installing thru the router though
11:08 Tom_itx othewise it won't see the debian site
11:09 rue_bed ok
11:09 Tom_itx so primary network interface is eth1
11:09 rue_bed remember to install pump when done
11:09 Tom_itx i will
11:09 Tom_itx i presume primary will be the wan
11:09 rue_bed I have to go to a sand mine today and help them get their redundnt managed switches working
11:09 Tom_itx ok
11:10 Tom_itx maybe you can trade some sand for your septic tank
11:10 rue_bed the excavator for the septic system may show up before I go
11:10 rue_bed and when I get back I may be enguaged again with the septic issue
11:10 rue_bed but them I need to shower, do laundry, and prolly dishes
11:11 Tom_itx i know
11:11 Tom_itx so maybe i should wait on this
11:11 rue_bed its frustrating, I'm maxed out on time
11:11 Tom_itx i know
11:11 Tom_itx so maybe i should wait on this
11:11 rue_bed people are asking me simple things and I just cant
11:11 Tom_itx i know
11:11 Tom_itx so maybe i should wait on this
11:11 rue_bed na get it installed
11:11 rue_bed it takes a while anyhow
11:12 Tom_itx it goes pretty quick with a ssd
11:12 rue_bed mmmm
11:12 Tom_itx installing base system
11:12 e_bed tries to hide under his pillow for just a mi
11:13 m_itx hangs a ball of yarn above rue_bed's
11:13 rue_bed their waiting for me to get up and give them breakfast
11:18 e_bed sits up and flips thru the GE transistor manual to wak
11:18 Tom_itx care to participate in a survey?
11:18 Tom_itx ok, webserver, fileserver, standard system utilities selected
11:18 Tom_itx is that ok?
11:19 Tom_itx what about ssh server?
11:20 m_itx waits for a r
11:39 rue_house sshd
11:39 Tom_itx i skipped it
11:39 Tom_itx sshd wasn't an option
11:42 rue_house select nothing in the task selector
11:42 rue_house when its done, install the extra stuffs
11:46 rizlah Anyone know of a good tool for modelling circuits on linux?
11:46 Tom_itx geda?
11:47 rue_house eagle is nice for drawing schematics
11:47 rue_house you want to simulate the circuit?
11:47 Tom_itx oh yeah, eagle works in linux too
11:47 rizlah Sure, simulation is good
11:48 rizlah Wanting to learn without having to buy the materials for now
11:48 Tom_itx eagle is freeish
11:50 SolarNRG Can a diamond drill bit cut through steel? My HSS drill bits keep getting blunted on this inch thick steel plate I'm trying to drill.
11:50 Tom_itx yes
11:50 Tom_itx so will carbide
11:51 SolarNRG Why do the shops only sell shitty HSS ones?
11:51 Tom_itx use lubricant
11:51 SolarNRG Why don't they sell "carbide" or "diamond"?
11:51 Tom_itx hss will work if you use proper feed and speed
11:51 rizlah Isn't it so that if something is denser than the other, it can cut it?
11:51 Tom_itx don't run it at 10000rpm and feed 200ipm and it should cut fine
11:52 SolarNRG I've been using my drill on slow slow
11:52 SolarNRG slowest of slow
11:52 SolarNRG It did one hole in about half an hour
11:52 SolarNRG Then half a hole
11:52 SolarNRG Then nothing but heat
11:52 SolarNRG the tip is blunt
11:52 Tom_itx we machined carbide with carbide
11:52 rue_house SolarNRG, !
11:52 rue_house less enterkey dude!
11:52 SolarNRG Hiya rue
11:52 rue_house hows projects?
11:52 SolarNRG Well I did antigravity the other day
11:52 rue_house :)
11:52 rue_house I think I saw the cideo
11:53 rue_house the little one
11:53 rue_house I got balsa for one
11:53 rue_house somewhere
11:53 Tom_itx oh heck.
11:53 Tom_itx debian login:
11:53 SolarNRG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRQ9sEV-nCs
11:53 Tom_itx ok rue_house
11:53 rue_house Tom_itx, root with whatever password you gave it
11:53 Tom_itx now whut?
11:53 rue_house install sshd
11:54 rue_house apt-get install sshd
11:54 Tom_itx what was the package you said ^^ way up there
11:54 SolarNRG And I had fun microwaving beancans outdoors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKl1konZ0U
11:54 Tom_itx no before that
11:54 rue_house also install pump
11:54 rue_house and less
11:54 rue_house so
11:54 Tom_itx yeah
11:54 rue_house apt-get install sshd pump less shorewall
11:54 rue_house hmm what else
11:54 Tom_itx wtf is shorewall?
11:54 rue_house localepurge and deborphan
11:54 rue_house kats need food
11:54 rue_house shorewall is the firewall software
11:55 rue_house well, its a configuration program for making a firewall
11:55 SolarNRG How does a suction attached reservoir work?
11:55 SolarNRG http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=diamond+8mm+drill+bit&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11564416947299900038&sa=X&ei=pG9KT8eoJJKp8APWqoCvDg&ved=0CIwBEPMCMAE
11:56 Tom_itx unable to locate sshd
11:56 rue_house what?
11:56 Tom_itx maybe we need to refresh a list or something
11:57 rue_house openssh-server
11:57 rue_house sorry
11:57 rue_house they changed the name on me
11:57 Tom_itx ok repeat the install line
11:57 rue_house apt-get install openssh-server ssh pump less shorewall localepurge deborphan
11:58 rue_house apt-get install openssh-server ssh pump less shorewall localepurge deborphan dhcpd
11:58 Tom_itx ok
11:58 m_itx moves a few kbd's outta the
11:58 Tom_itx what locale files?
11:59 rue_house apt-get install openssh-server ssh pump less shorewall localepurge deborphan dhcpd locatedb
11:59 Tom_L missed locatedb
11:59 rue_house er its just called locate
11:59 Tom_L will get it next
11:59 rue_house ok get it int eh next round
11:59 rue_house its just called locate tho
11:59 rue_house I have to get up or I'm gonna get screwed up
12:00 Steffann Tom goes Debian?
12:00 Tom_L i've been using debian Steffann
12:00 Steffann Ah ok
12:03 Tom_L ok rue
12:03 Tom_L done
12:21 rue_house excavator is here,
12:21 rue_house !time
12:21 rue_house its 10:13 now, I have to leave for the mine at 11:30
12:21 Tom_L ok
12:21 Tom_L remember tobbor is missing
12:22 Tom_L i'll wait
12:22 Steffann Tobbor is dead?!
12:22 rue_house in the last power outage tobbors hardware decided to give up on the network interface
12:23 rue_house just caue you cant get a dhcp address for 4 hours dosn't mean you should stop trying
12:23 Steffann When is the funeral?
12:24 Tom_L rue_house, i have notes from the last one i can use but i can wait
12:41 rue_shop its been 239 days since tobbor rebooted, so its doing a filesystem check
12:41 rue_shop its a 200G filesystem and tobbor runns a P150
12:41 rue_shop please wait
12:41 Steffann 200G of logs?
12:41 Tom_itx can a p150 handle a hdd that big?
12:42 m_itx smells a
12:43 Tom_itx remember when you had to enter the drive type?
12:43 Tom_itx err Steffann probably doesnt
12:43 Steffann Drive type as in..
12:43 Tom_itx after mfm, rll was the shit
12:44 Steffann No, that's something 'before my time'
12:44 Tom_itx then came scsi
12:46 Steffann All old stuff I used is windows 3.1 and before that some custom application starter from the local computer store
12:46 Steffann *3.11
12:46 rue_house tom windows is the only reason a 486 couldn't take 1T
12:46 Steffann That's all I know
12:47 rue_house the 150 handles the 200G just fine
12:47 Steffann We still have an old 286, and it still works :)
12:47 Tom_itx windows did that on purpose as they were in cahoots with intel
12:47 Steffann *microsoft
12:47 Tom_itx uh huh
13:38 rue_house 286 cant do memory managment for linux
13:43 Steffann linux can't handle 286 you mean?
13:53 Tom_itx he'd never blame linux
14:01 home hey guys
14:01 home where can I find some quick sensors?
14:01 home around the house :/
14:02 SolarNRG tv infrared
14:02 SolarNRG ?
14:02 SolarNRG Wii sensor
14:03 SolarNRG thermostat in your heating system
14:03 SolarNRG Pressure sensor in your car
14:05 home aw, I see cool
14:05 home I actually have this fisherteknic robot thats here :/
14:05 home wanted to see what I could use it for
14:12 Steffann I guess so Tom_itx
14:17 katsmeow-afk what does 43J15RE mean in real ohms?
14:17 katsmeow-afk 15?
14:18 Steffann pass
14:18 Tom_itx http://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/Electronics/Color/
14:18 Tom_itx i dunno
14:20 katsmeow-afk didn't help, they are all blue cept for the writing
14:22 Tom_itx sry
14:39 katsmeow-afk 1N4148 smd for 0.011771300448430493273542600896861 , even counting s&h
14:51 Aggrav8d https://github.com/i-make-robots/DrawBot for your gittin' pleasure.
16:55 rue_house I saw
16:55 rue_house you beat me to it, I almost had one made
16:55 katsmeow-afk i didn't !
16:55 rue_house I was using it as a training platform for the kids and they burned up one of the mtoors
16:56 rue_house its a good training things cause its fun and there is math, but its not evil
16:56 rue_house just work out the distances from the motors to the point and wind them to it
16:56 rue_house Aggrav8d, did you see the spraypaint one on youtube?
16:57 rue_house katsmeow-afk, may I see the component
16:57 katsmeow-afk the what?
16:57 e_house flushes the toilet, empties the bathtub, empties the kitchen sink and puts the laundry on "gee its nice to have a fixed septic sy
16:57 rue_house 43J15RE
16:58 rue_house I ' M G O N N A H A V E A N I C E S H O W E R
16:58 Steffanx H A V E F U N
16:59 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-PCS-OHMITE-43J15RE-/390394504561?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae5536571
16:59 rue_house so
16:59 rue_house - new septic tank run
16:59 rue_house - hole for tree
17:00 rue_house - level driveway off
17:00 katsmeow-afk i have two pumps ordered, i think it will be nice to have running water again too
17:00 rue_house - burry pipe in driveway for car detector
17:00 rue_house -----------------
17:00 rue_house $560
17:00 katsmeow-afk i still need tanks tho, to collect rain water in
17:00 rue_house so fixing the septic system only cost $140
17:00 rue_house :)
17:01 katsmeow-afk car detector : $20 video camera
17:01 rue_house er, patching
17:01 rue_house na
17:01 rue_house I'm gonna do a modulated ir beam across the driveway
17:01 rue_house have it ring a chime at the house
17:01 katsmeow-afk one beam?
17:02 rue_house my neighbours driveway and mine are close and I can never tell by sound who just got a visitor
17:02 katsmeow-afk so a tall dog will ring it 4 times?
17:02 rue_house yes
17:02 rue_house yes
17:02 katsmeow-afk o
17:02 rue_house 3 times if its missing a leg
17:03 katsmeow-afk use two beams, then at least the dog will need to be 10ft long to trigger it
17:03 katsmeow-afk or be two or moe dogs
17:16 rue_house its ok, I'd like to know if anything comes in the driveway
17:16 rue_house alot of times I *hear* cars pull in, but they aren't here
17:17 rue_house I'd missed people who walk/bike/drive in cause I was in the shop, which, funny enough, you cant quite see from the house entrance way
17:17 rue_house I dont have a doorbell service running in the shop now either
17:17 rue_house shower!
17:17 rue_house then groceries, and laundry
17:30 rue_house Tom_itx, I might have my head screwed back on in about 3 hours
17:32 Tom_itx it may be too late to salvage by then
17:39 Tom_itx long range ir aimed across the drive
17:39 Tom_itx my friend has one and it's very effective
17:39 Tom_itx farm house
17:53 rue_house ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice proper shower
17:53 rue_house I'm gonna use a tv ir module
17:53 rue_house 38Khz
17:53 rue_house I worked out a tube that gets the target to a 12" spot on the other side
17:53 rue_house Tom_itx, did you get pump installed?
17:54 Tom_itx last week
17:54 rue_house ok, which interface dosn't work, eth0?
17:54 rue_house ok shopping
17:54 Tom_itx gotta reboot
17:54 rue_house reboot what>?
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18:20 katsmeow-afk (Disconnected by services) ?
18:20 Tom_itx wtf is the address for a cablemodem?
18:21 Tom_itx all the sudden it won't let me in
18:21 katsmeow-afk 192.168.0.1 ?
18:21 Tom_itx and what the hell was that utility....
18:21 katsmeow-afk dunno
18:22 Tom_itx no that's a router iirc
18:22 tsmeow-afk curses Alafuckingbama,, yesterday i was sick in my gut with a feve over 100F, now it's my sin
18:22 tsmeow-afk curses Alafuckingbama,, yesterday i was sick in my gut with a feve over 100F, now it's my sin
18:30 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk, ever use wireshark?
18:31 Tom_itx mmm
18:31 Tom_itx appears it hasn't changed
18:31 Tom_itx wonder why it won't let me in
19:10 rue_house Tom_itx, the cable modem does not have an address
19:10 rue_house Tom_itx, tell me what your trying ot do
19:11 rue_house I dont know what windows taught you but its all a lie
19:11 Tom_itx first i need to figure out how to get this static ip to work
19:12 Tom_itx it works on my other one but it's being stubborn on this one
19:12 rue_house you set the static ip to the network interface and then plug into the modem
19:12 Tom_itx we're on the router right now
19:12 rue_house the ip address of google is 74.125.224.88
19:12 rue_house your link is working your dns isn't
19:12 Tom_itx why do i care?
19:12 rue_house cause you think the internet isn't working cause it cant resolve host names
19:13 Tom_itx i can't ping anything
19:13 Tom_itx with at static ip
19:13 rue_house lets start from the top?
19:13 Tom_itx edit interfaces
19:13 rue_house what did you put in interfaces?
19:13 Tom_itx let's move
21:25 katsmeow-afk yeas
21:26 rue_house hi kat
21:26 katsmeow hi rue
21:26 rue_house boiler output 48c
21:26 rue_house waiting
21:27 Tom_L but you said 3c
21:28 Tom_L oh the boiler lines..
21:28 Tom_L i smell a leak in your future
21:28 rue_house no it wont take it
22:29 katsmeow For centuries, the citizens of Nuremberg have celebrated their petite bratwurst, which are often served up by the half dozen on heart-shaped plates.
22:29 katsmeow But one local producer says his costs have nearly tripled in the past 18 months, due to the rising costs of one key ingredient: sheep's intestines from Iran.
22:50 katsmeow ...
23:24 rue_house hmm I can help all the people in the world do anything, but they will never be able to help me not die
23:24 katsmeow-afk maybe they can, if you help them to not die
23:28 katsmeow-afk why do you want to not die? you know how the living human body deteriorates over time, you want to live in that condition? Can you call that "living" ?
23:29 rue_house your right, what I need is more time to do things
23:29 katsmeow-afk my key word is "useable"
23:29 rue_house I have a good-for-nothing prioritization alg.
23:30 katsmeow-afk oh
23:30 rue_house I get myself screwed up cause i help others when I need to help myself
23:31 katsmeow-afk i go out of my way to get screwed, like trying to move to Fla
23:32 rue_house dont forget the good mechanic you met tho
23:32 katsmeow-afk i dunno, the one who got the bell housing welded up, but told me the brakes were good, and may have swapped my rebuilt tranny for a old one?
23:33 katsmeow-afk don't forget, i broke down in Valdosta Ga overnite and had to pay someone and their garage to replace a brake rotor and pads
23:34 katsmeow-afk which i could have done, if i was allowed to, in Fla
23:34 katsmeow-afk and if i had known how bad it was, if the mechanic had told me
23:35 katsmeow-afk i NEEDED a concrete pad down there to lift a 8000lb truck into the air to work under it, even to get it off the ground, because jacks and 2x2ft pads sank into the sand
23:54 rue_house :/
23:54 rue_house I think a lot of mechanics measure breaks by how much brake fluid is left
23:55 rue_house there is a bad shop here, a mechanics eyes nearly popped out of their sockets when I said I had to top up the brake fluid
23:55 rue_house WHY DID YOU DO THAT?
23:55 rue_house cause it was low!!
23:55 rue_house as it turns out, the cylinders leak, suppose he didn't notice that when he was changing the tires
23:56 tsmeow-afk
23:56 rue_house they are a tire specialty shop, they didn't notice one was delaminated when they rotated them
23:56 rue_house I dont take the work van to that shop anymore
23:56 katsmeow-afk hard to tell that unless and edge is showing
23:57 rue_house esp after one of the other trucks caught fire after being serviced
23:58 rue_house the boss ways he wants to stay on good terms with them, dispite them forgetting to tighten the lugs on a car he had serviced there right before he left for vaccation
23:58 katsmeow-afk when i bought this truck, i eyed the tires for how many trips they'd make,, the next trip down to get boat stuff and trailers and books and such is 1 more than i planned on
23:58 rue_house and then there was the story of my missing oil cap
23:58 katsmeow-afk new tires, rear axle: $1000
23:59 rue_house its a 1 tonne?
23:59 katsmeow-afk gmc 3500hd
23:59 katsmeow-afk rated 15,000 gvw
23:59 rue_house 7.5 ton