#robotics Logs
Jan 21 2012
#robotics Calendar
00:01 damneddumbass sure, you hire someone and pay $1000's in fees, permits, etc
00:01 rue_house the permit might be a reasonabel fixed fee, here they do the permit as a % of the cost of the work being done
00:01 damneddumbass but damnit, i am telling you *I* cannot do shit, i cannot get a permit, i cannot hire the electrician, i cannot call for a code inspection, i don't own anything
00:02 rue_house ok
00:02 rue_house sorry I brought it up
00:02 damneddumbass the usa NEC (national electrical code) book is online, look up "low voltage", you are WRONG goddamnit
00:03 damneddumbass but you keep telling me i am wrong, and you never looked it up
00:03 damneddumbass you never had any dealing with the code office here
00:03 damneddumbass but you say over and over that i am wrong
00:04 wrongdumbass how's that nick
00:04 wrongdumbass or
00:04 rue_house I dont trust the sources of information you use
00:04 wrongdumbass fuckingstupid
00:04 wrongdumbass ?
00:04 rue_house I dont think the state master electrician who works at home depot is a good source, I'd like to see his ticket
00:05 wrongdumbass fuckingstupid Erroneous Nickname
00:05 rue_house see if he keeps his red seal in his wallet
00:05 rue_house bet if you ask him that he turns red
00:05 wrongdumbass he doesn't, i told you, the economy crashed here, there's no work, people aren't renewing licenses
00:06 rue_house ticket != liscence
00:06 rue_house red seal is for life
00:07 wrongdumbass i called for landscaper, everyone in the book, everyone but one older (75) guy had sold equipment and no longer moved dirt
00:07 wrongdumbass people asking $150k for land are getting $50k , IF THAT
00:08 rue_house sounds like you could make money as a truck for hire then
00:08 wrongdumbass oh right, i'll drive anywhere you tell me to buddy_who_i_don't_know
00:10 wrongdumbass why is everything i say wrong, rue?
00:10 rue_house well it sounds like people moving out of town is a booming business, they need people with trucks to help haul stuff out of town for them
00:10 wrongdumbass hey, we live on Earth, tell me i am wrong, rue
00:10 rue_house just one town over, a business dosn't even have to spend much on gas or time
00:10 wrongdumbass most cannot afford to move, i couldn't, remember????
00:11 rue_house your right, I'm just trying to find one thing you could do to help leverage your way up
00:11 wrongdumbass "leverage my way up"?? LOL,. you can't even say i can say ONE THING that's correct
00:11 rue_house you make people pay you for them to put their stuff on your truck and you drive it to their new place for them where they unload it
00:13 wrongdumbass [01:02] <wrongdumbass> most cannot afford to move, i couldn't, remember????
00:13 rue_house this depression thing is intereseting
00:13 rue_house I wonder if it'll take longer than a year for the states to collapse
00:13 wrongdumbass i useto be interesting too, now i am just always WRONG
00:14 rue_house do I ever argue to you about welding?
00:14 wrongdumbass you spent 20 minutes in other channel telling me i knew nothing about this place
00:15 wrongdumbass you told me you were all knowing about this place, and i was WRONG
00:15 rue_house I'm trying to help you find ways out, if you dont want me to pls ask me to stop trying to help
00:16 wrongdumbass telling me i can pull a permit when i cannot isn't helping me out in any way
00:16 wrongdumbass telling me over and over, when you have no clue about the laws here
00:16 wrongdumbass you never been here, you never worked here, but you're right??
00:17 rue_house I'm sory I wound you up, I'm always wrong
00:19 damned_wrong don't need to ask, you'll tell me i'm wrong anyhow
00:19 damned_wrong makes me feel i need to pull 30 harddrives outa Tiggr and use them for target practice
00:22 alwysWrngDntAsk its a davinci's brush problem
00:22 fckng_stupid i don't care
00:22 rue_mohr my ways work for me
00:22 rue_mohr anyone can hold davinci's paintbrush, but only he was screwed up enough to paint with it what he did
00:23 rue_mohr when problems seem easy to me, becuase of the methods I apply, I have to realize that I'm the only person those methods work for
00:24 rue_mohr I cannot just hand over my method for others to use, it just wont do for them what it does for me
00:24 fckng_stupid the method isn't wrong, i keep telling you the rules made by the huimans are what's wrong
00:24 rue_mohr and thats, davincis brush
00:25 rue_mohr this is mixed with a compulstion I have to do away with to help everyone who I see having trouble, i cant help people, I just do damage
00:25 fckng_stupid you STILL aren't hearing me
00:25 fckng_stupid you STILL are not reading the words i am saying
00:26 fckng_stupid not a damned thing you say to me will change the laws here, or change the way the laws in Alafuckingbama are (not)(mis)enforced
00:26 rue_mohr I just have to take a deep breath, just cause someone is rolling ont eh ground screaming in anguish over something I could solve easily, I dust not do it.
00:26 fckng_stupid you STILL are not reading the words i am saying
00:26 fckng_stupid you STILL are not reading the words i am saying
00:26 fckng_stupid you STILL are not reading the words i am saying
00:26 fckng_stupid you STILL are not reading the words i am saying
00:26 fckng_stupid not a damned thing you say to me will change the laws here, or change the way the laws in Alafuckingbama are (not)(mis)enforced
00:26 fckng_stupid not a damned thing you say to me will change the laws here, or change the way the laws in Alafuckingbama are (not)(mis)enforced
00:26 fckng_stupid how the hell can you not get a clue
00:27 fckng_stupid what part of that can't you uinderstand?
00:27 rue_mohr wow my new code compile right eh first time, wonder if it works
00:27 rue_mohr I'm sorry kat, I cannot help you, I'm sorry I may have tried to before
00:27 fckng_stupid but i am still wrong in all i say?
00:27 fckng_stupid wow
00:27 rue_mohr would you like to converse the intriqcies of a puzzle?
00:28 fckng_stupid no, i would like an answer
00:28 rue_mohr I was wrong kat, I'm always wrong, I never listen
00:28 rue_mohr I'm sorry about that, can I start again?
00:28 fckng_stupid that may be, but didn't answer the question
00:28 fckng_stupid you aren't reading my words
00:29 rue_mohr I dont understand anything abouthe country you live in, I have never been there, everything you know is exactly right
00:29 fckng_stupid close enough
00:30 rue_mohr X| |
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00:31 fckng_stupid iirc, all the possible moves of tictactoe where coded into hardware ~1978
00:32 fckng_stupid i know i worked it out in jr high school
00:32 rue_mohr there is a bug in show, its not showing me all the rules
00:33 fckng_stupid don't use C
00:33 rue_mohr I wokred it out in highscool too
00:33 fckng_stupid i am choking on acid reflux, thanks, rue
00:33 rue_mohr I think testing lead to my uninterest in playing
00:33 rue_mohr oh how many damn times must I appologize
00:34 fckng_stupid doesn't stop the body processes already set im motion
00:35 fckng_stupid pushing someone off a cliff then saying you're sorry won't stop them from landing at the botom
00:48 rue_mohr this summer is the summer to get the gyro cage for the mecha togethor
00:48 rue_mohr gonna be a lot of work
00:57 zhanx me?
00:58 e_mohr stands zhanx infront of 194 dishwashers and hands him a screwdr
00:58 zhanx crap
00:59 kng_stupid doesn't
01:00 rue_mohr http://ideone.com/LR8eT
01:01 anx fixes 143 dishwas
01:01 rue_mohr there is something wrong with that code, as of yet, I dont know what
01:01 fckng_stupid zhanx, you were supposedto disassemble them
01:01 rue_mohr nononono, take out the water valves silly!
01:01 zhanx sorry fixed them
01:01 zhanx its my job
01:01 rue_mohr ugh
01:02 rue_mohr I'm too tied to understand that code right now
01:02 fckng_stupid is "n++" means "n+2" ?
01:02 rue_mohr +1
01:02 fckng_stupid n= != n+1 ?
01:02 fckng_stupid err
01:02 fckng_stupid n+ != n+1 ?
01:02 zhanx wow
01:03 zhanx fucking drunken and know that wtf
01:03 kng_stupid doesn't
01:03 rue_mohr gnight
01:04 zhanx rue_mohr: what is priBot
01:05 anx looks at rue,,, that is easy
01:18 kng_stupid looks at z
01:22 kng_stupid looks at zhanx some
01:26 kng_stupid looks at zhanx even more, and s
02:06 fckng_stupid so rue, shall Tiggr stay offline permanently now?
02:09 kng_stupid shuts Tiggr
04:46 Tom_itx shame on the both of you
04:46 Tom_itx take your rants someplace else
04:47 Steffanx zlog
05:36 fckng_stupid i see no reason to change my nick back, this seems descriptive enough based on people's feedback around me
05:36 Steffanx Poor fckng_stupid
05:38 Steffanx I guess it's all up to you fckng_stupid
05:40 fckng_stupid in what way?
05:41 Steffanx All possible ways
05:41 fckng_stupid i disagree
05:41 Steffanx I mean.. the choice to change your nick back or not
05:42 fckng_stupid ah
05:42 fckng_stupid then i agree
05:42 Steffanx :D
05:43 Steffanx You are grown man/woman, so i guess you can handle that other thing too
05:43 fckng_stupid i handle being told i am stupid poorly
05:44 Steffanx Just ignore it..
05:44 fckng_stupid especially by someone with no clue, who has clues in other areas of knowledge
05:55 fckng_stupid hmm, an mov of a 1938 tour of ARRL
07:18 KayAteChef has anyone got any cheap and nasty ideas for coupling tamiya hex shafts to large bore wheels sourced from hardware stores?
10:55 rue_mohr how big are the tamiya shafts?
11:29 Steffanx 15"
11:30 kng_stupid is so stupid she once used a 1/2 drive 12-point socket to connect a dc motor pulling 800 amps @ 36v to a VW transaxle, and it worked g
11:31 Steffanx Yeah that was fckng_stupid
11:31 kng_stupid is so stupid she once used a 1/2 drive 12-point socket to connect a dc motor pulling 150 amps @ 36v to a Evinrude outboard foot, and it worked g
11:31 Steffanx Yeah that was fckng_stupid
11:32 rue_mohr Steffanx, around, not long
11:32 kng_stupid onces used a piece of allen wrench to replace an oil pump driveshaft in a 289 engine, it worked g
11:32 Steffanx Yeah that was fckng_stupid
11:33 rue_mohr Steffanx, maybe "good one ..." would be better?
11:33 kng_stupid once pressed a hex bolt into a wheel hub to absorb the torque of a hex
11:34 fckng_stupid Steffanx is correct, it was me that did it, and i expect you to tell me it was impossible, at least in Canada
11:35 rue_mohr maybe I should put my wireless keybaord/mouse away till I can remember why I wanted the damn thing
11:35 fckng_stupid you wanted it so you'd have a reason to buy lots of batteries
11:36 fckng_stupid you wanted it so the wirelesses would get crossed tween different puters, and you'd never know which puter each mouse controlled from minute to minute
11:37 fckng_stupid "it's my new wireless mouse, i chained it to the desk because the cat kept stealing it"
11:38 rue_mohr heh, na, I think I was having an issue picking up my keybaord and putting it aside to make room for eating, but the cord always caught, in reality, I want to keep typing when I'm eating anyhow
11:38 rue_mohr :)
11:38 rue_mohr heh
11:42 rue_mohr if ((p < *pri) && (p > retpri)) { // highest number greater than 'last'
11:42 rue_mohr that has to be the line where the error happens
11:43 rue_mohr that one line determines the result of everything
11:45 fckng_stupid here's a stupid idea: run it, and enable trace mode when there's a detectable error
11:46 fckng_stupid if (blah = 12) then trace(1) end if
11:47 fckng_stupid replace "then" and "end if" with { } for C and mirc, add 50 extra pairs of () for Lisp
13:54 zhanx slipped and fell on the ice, torn something in my leg, the one i had surgery on
13:55 Steffanx Outch..
13:56 zhanx in massive pain
14:07 home hmm, got an ultrasonic sensor giving me volts
14:07 home want to convert that volts to inches ot cm >.>
14:07 home trying tomeasure the distance :/
14:12 home dont know how to convert the damn thing :(
14:14 rue_mohr sounds like its from a poloroid camera
14:15 rue_mohr put an voltmeter on it, change the sero and span so that it reflects the signal in inches
14:15 rue_mohr (you have to hack the meter)
14:17 home wait WHAT
14:17 home whats in the poloroid camera?!
14:29 rue_mohr your ranger?
14:33 rue_mohr !assist projects/heatplant
14:33 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant
14:42 rue_mohr if ((p < *pri) && (p > retpri)) { // highest number greater than 'last'
14:42 rue_mohr hmmm
14:43 rue_mohr kat?
14:43 rue_mohr dont know what she's calling herself anymore
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030710-newshaft.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030711.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030712.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030713.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030716.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030717.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030726.jpg
14:44 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030727.jpg
14:45 rue_mohr need to get arain cover on it
14:45 rue_mohr thats the new motor for the boiler draft fan
14:45 rue_mohr if you doing soemthing like that, dont use chain, its noisy!
14:52 Wulong Direct > belt > gear > chain
14:52 rue_mohr in order of audio noise?
14:53 rue_mohr chains really louder than belts?
14:53 rue_mohr er
14:53 rue_mohr chains really louder than gears?
14:53 rue_mohr I'd expect gears to be the noisyest
14:53 rue_mohr I wanted positive traction, and I didn't heave any pullies that fit hat hardware
14:54 rue_mohr but I forgot I can make pullies
14:54 Wulong Chain is loader than belt. Depends on gear. You can use special gears.
14:54 Wulong What are you making?
14:54 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030727.jpg
14:54 rue_mohr it shte drive for the draft fan of my boiler
14:54 rue_mohr the old motor died
14:55 rue_mohr the chain is really loud
14:55 Wulong Boiler for what?
14:55 rue_mohr bit of an rpm mismatch too, when I change it I'll add a bit more reduction
14:55 rue_mohr heating the house
14:56 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030521-heatplantwhole.jpg
14:56 rue_mohr http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/ its been a long evolution
14:57 Wulong You don't have a fireplace?
14:57 rue_mohr fireplace is an insurance issue, and flue pipe costs $10 per foot
14:57 rue_mohr no must be $30/foot cause a 3' section is $100
14:58 rue_mohr I'v only put about $300 into that thing
14:58 rue_mohr over 2 years
14:58 rue_mohr of operation
14:58 Wulong How could does it get there?
14:58 Wulong cold
14:59 rue_mohr its canada
14:59 rue_mohr granted not grand canada, we only been down to -7c here so far
14:59 rue_mohr house being 10c isn't nice
14:59 rue_mohr gas heat is $300/mo
15:00 Wulong I think it's -3C outside here now. You don't have a heat pump?
15:00 rue_mohr nope
15:01 rue_mohr that would just add about 300/mo to the electricity bill :)
15:01 Wulong Thats not how heat pump works.
15:01 rue_mohr I said about
15:01 rue_mohr 20% less or so
15:02 Wulong A typical pump use 1200W and provides 4000W.
15:02 rue_mohr but for $0/mo I can burn all the free wood I can find
15:02 Wulong Your right.
15:02 rue_mohr this house dissipates about 20kbtu/hr continious
15:03 rue_mohr its half trailer
15:03 rue_mohr I'm gonna tear it down just as soon as I can afford to build a new place
15:03 rue_mohr in the meantime, lots of cheap heat
15:04 rue_mohr I thin I found out the problem with this function
15:05 rue_mohr its goal is self-conflicting, it was coded accordingly
15:06 rue_mohr on top of that I wrote no design doc, so I'm kinda just gonna have to redesign and reimplement it
15:13 rue_mohr I must have been high when I coded this, cause I'm pretty sure I can code better than this if I were drunk
15:51 rue_mohr yay I made a 8 bit to 7 segment display decoder!
15:52 KongfuPanda yay !
15:53 KongfuPanda when are you getting a Nobel prize?
15:53 KongfuPanda will you invite me to the ceremony?
15:53 rue_mohr na, but it means I dont need 2x 7447 to display 8 bits of data on 2 led 7 segments, and it does A-F correctly
15:54 rue_mohr http://ideone.com/tfgD8
15:54 rue_mohr above is the 'program' and below is the .hex rom dump that does
15:54 rue_mohr it
15:55 rue_mohr you put your data on A0-7 and A8 is the multiplexor signal
15:55 rue_mohr you take the data outputs and put them to two 7 segment displays
15:56 rue_mohr I didn't code in the actual 7 segment codes yet, but thats trivial now
15:56 KongfuPanda did you write that in assmebler?
15:56 rue_mohr I made a program to take a set of 'rules' and generate the ihex file
15:56 KongfuPanda oh I see
15:57 rue_mohr in the rules, D is the value of the data at A which is the value of the address
15:57 KongfuPanda and what can your display be used for?
15:57 rue_mohr so the rules go thru and set D based on A
15:57 rue_mohr showing 8 bit data on 7 segment displays
15:57 rue_mohr it means I can use up tonnes of old eproms :)
15:58 rue_mohr I could, if I wanted made it so that you put in an 8 bit number and it codes out to 3 7 segments as a decimal number
15:58 KongfuPanda what is a 7 segment display? :)
15:58 KongfuPanda (sorry, I'm a noob)
15:58 rue_mohr do you have an alarm clock?
15:58 KongfuPanda yes
15:58 KongfuPanda with liquid crystal display?
15:58 rue_mohr how many lines are the numbers made out of?
15:59 KongfuPanda 7
15:59 KongfuPanda OMG
15:59 KongfuPanda it's true
15:59 rue_mohr :)
16:00 rue_mohr yo know the displays they have on older cash registers?
16:00 rue_mohr that do the funkey letters?
16:00 KongfuPanda I have one of those displays on my axon II board
16:00 rue_mohr those cash registers have more than 7 segments
16:00 KongfuPanda nope
16:00 rue_mohr oh well
16:00 rue_mohr old vcr's had them too
16:01 rue_mohr I can also make eproms into 8 bit comparitors, and counters
16:02 KongfuPanda cool cool
16:26 fckng_stupid with a 64kx8 10ns ram, you can make a 8-bit comparator that's far faster than any ttl comparator (74F86, F688, etc), plus it will have more output parameters ( <, >, =, !=, +/-5, parity, etc), but i'm a dumbasss
16:27 fckng_stupid same with making binary to bcd convertors, etc
17:36 kng_stupid looks at zhanx a
17:36 Steffanx Maybe you should stop it fckng_stupid
17:36 fckng_stupid is "looking" offensive?
17:37 Steffanx A little
17:37 kng_stupid averts her eyes as she wonders why zhanx no longer speaks to
17:38 Steffanx Or he is just very shy, i never see him talk a lot
17:52 rue_bed how about url checking state machines?
17:52 fckng_stupid big demand for those?
17:54 rue_bed I have 16 bit epoms too
17:54 rue_bed ok I have to get up and do SOMETHING
17:56 rue_bed PID filters?
21:35 rue_shop yay! i GOT MY INDUSTRial temperture controller's serial port working (its a stupid one thats optically isolated with no docs on connection to a std serial port)
21:35 rue_shop now I can beat toms smt oven :)
21:40 fckng_stupid poor Tom
21:41 rue_shop ITS OK, HE'S GONE FOR A WHILE :)
21:41 rue_shop grr stupid industrail equip and its caps requirement
22:13 kng_stupid could tell rue what resulted this morning from the fight last nite in the other cha
22:18 rue_shop and here I thought it was a debate
22:18 fckng_stupid a debate that centered on me not knowing my surroundings, and you claimed to be an expert on a place you never been
22:19 fckng_stupid debates are on topics which might be open to some correction, we had no debate
22:24 rue_shop I need to make a force guage...
22:25 fckng_stupid how about counting how many people you can force into having the experience i had this morning?
22:25 fckng_stupid it may not be accurate tho
22:25 rue_shop I wish for once your situation would get better
22:26 rue_shop and I wish there was some word I could say that would trigger it
22:26 rue_shop it seems all I can do it sit back and say 'thats nice'
22:27 rue_shop it seems I'm only told about problems to torment me, cause sure-to-hell there is no suggesting a solution
22:27 fckng_stupid and, stating as a "fact" that the situation doesn't exist is somehow helpful?
22:27 rue_shop no solution I could ever propose hasn't been completely ruled out in every way
22:28 rue_shop its amazing how all the solutions I can offer have already been explored and rejected
22:28 rue_shop but its so
22:28 fckng_stupid ever think i spent weeks trying to find a solution, and i DID already evaluate all the possibilities, so you thinking of them also is not a slap in your face??
22:29 fckng_stupid you only came up with solutions i already had, how the fuck is it a bad thing that you're as damned smart as me, and yet i am made to be fusking_stupid???
22:30 fckng_stupid i can answer that, can you?
22:32 rue_shop if your asking me a question you already know the answer to, nothing I can say is right, so I wont
22:32 fckng_stupid it's because you do NOT know the roadblocks here, because you are not here
22:32 fckng_stupid so you deny they exist, and callme stupid
22:37 fckng_stupid "sure you can use a 60v mosfet in that circuit, line voltage there in not really 120vac"
22:37 rue_shop I wonder how to sort out questions that are requests from help and questions that are statement of fact
22:38 fckng_stupid there's a standard syntax for questions vs statements
22:42 rue_mohr I wonder what I can do to make my life better
22:57 rue_mohr ooo I'll need 94 force sensors for the me3cha
23:03 fckng_stupid but i have no turkey baster labled "mucus" , or any measuring cup labled "urine"
23:06 fckng_stupid my only barn powerline at has a one ohm resistance
23:07 fckng_stupid you might see the unstated problem occur at 30amps
23:09 fckng_stupid fwiw, the miniflourescents are worthlessly dim at 100v, and go out at 90v
23:09 fckng_stupid i spose i can switch them to the ups
23:24 fckng_stupid there's a pon far perfume
23:25 fckng_stupid and a tshirt to go with it
23:45 fckng_stupid if only there was a mate to go with it