#robotics Logs

Dec 05 2011

00:57 r0b-_ well i have 2 S3003s but one is missing gears
00:58 r0b-_ Futaba S3003
01:17 r0b-_ well servos seem viable
01:18 r0b-_ hey
01:51 rue_bed they save a lot of time
01:51 e_bed rolls over to get back to s
10:17 r0b-_ hi parag0n
10:17 parag0n hello
10:18 r0b-_ how are you?
10:35 r0b-_ this is harder than i thought
11:34 Squint what's harder than you thought? conversing on IRC or something involving a soldering iron?
11:53 r0b-_ designing my chassis
11:54 r0b-_ and driving system
11:56 Steffanx conversing on IRC Squint .. :)
11:57 r0b-_ lol
12:02 r0b-_ yea thats it
12:04 Steffanx See :)
12:13 r0b-_ im thinking
12:14 Steffanx Stop!
12:15 r0b-_ y
12:54 r0b-_ can you help me Steffanx
12:54 Steffanx Maybe
12:54 r0b-_ what would you use as a base?
12:55 Steffanx Pass :)
12:55 Steffanx I'm here, but i'm not really an expert
12:56 Steffanx I made only one robot.. and that's ages ago
12:56 Steffanx (as in 5 years ago)
12:56 r0b-_ ill take anything :P
12:56 Steffanx I made mine from plexiglas
12:56 r0b-_ ah
12:56 Steffanx I sucks I can't find the photo's
12:57 Steffanx It was a high school project.. line following robot
12:57 r0b-_ thats what im tyring to do
12:58 r0b-_ using servos as motors
12:58 Steffanx I used 6V DC motors with gears
12:58 r0b-_ well servos are 6v :)
12:59 r0b-_ and geared
13:00 r0b-_ but i know what you mean
13:00 Steffanx :)
13:00 r0b-_ im just gonna use 2 cont rotation servos
13:01 r0b-_ i have one
13:01 r0b-_ but my other servo has stripped gears
13:03 Steffanx Poor me.. I do have the report, but i lost the photo's
13:06 Steffanx All i have is this SketchUp model http://www.naffets.nl/share/a-20111205-195710.png :)
13:09 Steffanx I spend so much money on that robot, probably because I like(d) to trial and error :)
13:09 r0b-_ :P
13:10 r0b-_ yea im looking at just using futaba 3003 servos
13:10 Steffanx I still have that problem. I buy things which i can't use or I break (sometimes on purpose) it
13:11 r0b-_ yea
13:11 r0b-_ well i have one motor lol
13:12 r0b-_ well one geared motor
13:12 Steffanx Like the 7mm motors i bought a while ago for a little project. I can't use them (yet) because the shaft is 1mm to large
13:12 r0b-_ ah
13:13 r0b-_ thats why im just gonna do this as i can
13:13 r0b-_ hmmm gotta figure out how i will mount the servos
13:15 r0b-_ the only problem is to do 4 wheel drive which is 4 servos at like 10$ per is 40$
13:15 Steffanx 80% of your budget :)
13:16 r0b-_ looks like im gonna have to go higher budget
13:16 r0b-_ though good news is i have wire
13:16 r0b-_ i have a MCU i have the base plate
13:16 r0b-_ just no motors or wheels
13:17 r0b-_ so yea
13:18 r0b-_ i have an arduino and 3 25 foot spools of wire
13:18 r0b-_ and some acrylic
13:22 r0b-_ so i have the majority of the stuff
13:27 r0b-_ so really the budget os for drive parts
18:37 cfreenix anyone selling dc motors?
18:37 cfreenix i'd like 4 to support 100lbs
18:38 cfreenix 100rpm and 900oz-inch about
18:54 zhanx rue got a package and already got them to work
18:55 Tom_itx you are fast
18:55 Tom_itx interrupters?
18:55 zhanx yep
18:55 zhanx thinking of how to use them, thinking of interrupts to stop the code. or something
18:56 Tom_itx i wanna put one on my spindle but need to figure out a good way to mount it since there isn't alot of room
19:10 anx gives rue the evil eye. 4 photo-interrupts and 3 plug
19:10 Tom_itx it was a trick
19:11 zhanx guess so
19:12 zhanx Tom_itx: is there a book on arm programming so i know the basic commands
19:17 Paradoxial Ohai zhanx
19:18 zhanx sup Paradoxial
19:18 Paradoxial This channel is full of people from sfe(:
19:19 zhanx was here before there?
19:19 zhanx :)
19:22 zhanx Paradoxial: AE7IK was looking for you earlier
19:23 Paradoxial He messaged me earlier this hour
19:23 Paradoxial Thanks(:
19:23 Paradoxial Last hour*
19:53 thylyn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65L_FO8cBgA&feature=related
20:12 Problem http://wamjelly.com/?ref=14170
20:12 Problem http://wamjelly.com/?ref=14170
20:12 Problem http://wamjelly.com/?ref=14170
20:12 Problem click it now
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20:16 coppermine if you have a wider platform you can turn easier with 4 wheel drive
20:16 coppermine why is thata?
20:17 coppermine bigger angle?
20:23 rue_house zhanx__, is that what I sent?
20:23 rue_house you only had 3 axies
20:24 rue_house did you like the warning sign?
20:24 the_jester greets
20:24 rue_house there you are
20:25 rue_house whats with comming in at god-awefull-oclock last night?
20:25 rue_house zhanx__, you wanted them for zeroing right?
20:26 the_jester wasnt that late was it?
20:27 rue_house so what have you worked out?
20:29 the_jester hm,, im tinkering with this 168
20:29 the_jester havent worked on it too much, never did get around to reflashing that blink .hex onto the 90s2313
20:30 coppermine Tom_itx: hi
20:30 the_jester i pretty much have a barebones arduino breadboarded here
20:31 the_jester im gonna ry loading blink onto that when i finish my dinner
20:32 the_jester i saw the guy asking about a line follower
20:32 the_jester did you get him tuned up?
20:32 Triffid_Hunter the_jester: if you ever want to dodge arduino IDE, check out https://github.com/triffid/Teacup_Firmware for some reusable libraries
20:34 coppermine im still looking for good sources for DC robot motors
20:35 coppermine something iwth 100rpm/1000 oz-inch would be nice
20:35 coppermine geared brushed
20:35 coppermine anyone?
20:36 rue_house hmm
20:36 rue_house how good? cheap?
20:37 the_jester Triffid: sweet,thanks,bookmarked
20:37 the_jester big hobby servos
20:38 the_jester futaba makes some verry very large metal gear servos
20:38 coppermine good quality
20:38 coppermine maybe 100$ each motor?
20:38 the_jester futaba
20:38 coppermine so for 4 i could carry 100lbs a good speed
20:38 coppermine 1m/sec
20:39 coppermine or 3feet/sec is good too
20:39 the_jester drill motors
20:39 the_jester 4x cheap harbour freight cordless drill
20:39 rue_house coppermine, did you do the math? now many rpm?
20:39 coppermine the_jester: something with a 1/2 shaft so i can easily screw a 10 inch wheel on it with a hex
20:39 coppermine rue_house: 100rpm
20:39 rue_house 10" wheel
20:39 coppermine 900 oz-inch
20:40 rue_house circle -d 10
20:40 rue_house Radius is : 5.000000
20:40 rue_house Diameter is: 10.000000
20:40 rue_house Circumfrence is : 31.415926
20:40 rue_house 3*12 = 36"
20:40 rue_house 36"/sec
20:40 coppermine thats fine
20:40 coppermine dosnt need to be fast
20:40 coppermine even 8 inch wheel is fie
20:40 coppermine fine
20:41 rue_house 1 rev/sec
20:41 rue_house 60rpm
20:41 the_jester drill motor, were used alot for robot wars
20:41 coppermine like i said
20:41 coppermine i want a good shaft size
20:41 coppermine for the direct wheel mount
20:41 coppermine no fancy hubs
20:41 rue_house you insist on mounting the wheel directly to the motor?
20:41 coppermine is that bad?
20:41 rue_house often
20:41 coppermine oh ok
20:41 coppermine then ill use a hub
20:41 coppermine and screw it
20:42 rue_house use a bearing set to hold the wheel, make the motor turn it
20:42 coppermine wanna see my indoor robot? its pretty complete
20:42 rue_house ok
20:42 coppermine now working on outdoor robot
20:42 coppermine much bigger
20:42 the_jester recycle the whole gear box ect, remove the cuck and the output shaft will be approx 3/8-1/2 national fine thread
20:42 coppermine http://www.solarlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9
20:43 rue_house a bit heavy construction
20:43 coppermine this one is made for 35lbs payload
20:43 coppermine the outdoor is 100lbs
20:43 rue_house if you'd used a 3 wheel design you could turn...
20:43 coppermine i have 3 wheels
20:43 coppermine look at the last pic
20:43 coppermine thats the 1st revision u looked at
20:43 the_jester looks like rue built it
20:44 the_jester his would be steel, rue hates wood
20:44 coppermine anyways where can i buy these motors
20:44 coppermine futuba u said?
20:44 coppermine robotcombat.com has alot
20:44 rue_house yes, it took me years to learn that 90% of robot construction problems come from using wood and cardboard
20:44 coppermine but not sure i need so much power
20:44 the_jester goodle for giant scale rc servo
20:45 coppermine is that powerfull enouhg?
20:45 coppermine enough
20:45 coppermine for 100lbs payload
20:45 the_jester but probley best to use crrdless drill gearboxes
20:45 rue_house coppermine, OR continious rotation windshield wiper motors
20:45 coppermine i always think servo = cheap plastic wings
20:45 rue_house verry strong motors, quite often direcly mountable to
20:45 rue_house and automotive shops carry them
20:46 the_jester coppermine: giant scale = giant plywood wings 1/4 the size of the real thing. in terms of jets it add
20:46 the_jester s up to be a big heavy plane
20:46 coppermine http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/517
20:47 coppermine like that?
20:47 coppermine only 170oz-inch
20:47 coppermine not even close to 900oz
20:47 rue_house are they now calling standard servo's 'giant'?
20:48 rue_house coppermine, or find a place that sells diability chairs, they also service them, you can buy new drivetrains from them
20:48 rue_house you could also get a cart they dont want to bother fixing, but I know thats stooping too low for you
20:49 the_jester buy 4 harbour freight drills
20:49 coppermine http://www.robotshop.com/ca/hitec-hs805BB-servo-motor.html
20:49 the_jester $100 solution
20:49 coppermine 343 oz-inch
20:49 coppermine a bit better
20:49 coppermine still way off
20:49 rue_house jester, he's got $100, sell him the cart you were gonna make into your mower
20:49 the_jester no
20:49 the_jester ..
20:49 coppermine how about 6 wheel robot
20:49 coppermine less requirements on each
20:49 coppermine cheaper
20:49 rue_house its gonna be ruined by the time you get to it anyhow
20:50 the_jester thanks rue, thats awsome
20:50 rue_house you can get another one for free, sell him that one for $100
20:50 the_jester ill trade the cart for an arduino
20:50 rue_house coppermine, one disability cart for one arduino?
20:50 rue_house thats a pretty good offer
20:51 rue_house coppermine, want to see a pic of it?
20:51 the_jester i was kidding
20:51 the_jester motors are worth like $10-0 eacch on ebay you know
20:52 the_jester 100
20:52 the_jester wtf
20:52 the_jester argg
20:53 coppermine yeah then u need a 70$ gearbox to make it do anything useful
20:53 rue_house the_jester, take a guess what year we were sitting infront of my shop hacking the joystick on it
20:53 the_jester Robo-cop2 now thats an approriate movie for the channel
20:53 the_jester 2005
20:54 coppermine hey ill leave you garbage picking
20:54 coppermine seems u like it
20:54 the_jester lol
20:54 rue_house the_jester, later than that!
20:54 rue_house remember, infront of the shop we got it working with soemthing
20:54 the_jester was 97
20:55 the_jester grr 07
20:55 rue_house we got it working with a joystick
20:55 rue_house on a breadboard circuit
20:55 rue_house it was 08
20:55 rue_house 05/03/2008
20:55 the_jester i was close
20:56 rue_house what have you dont with it in the 4 years after?
20:56 rue_house mm???? :)
20:56 the_jester lets see, lost my job, broke up with my wife, moved, moved again started a new job ectectect
20:56 rue_house seriously, get the $100 for it, get another one when it coems up again
20:57 rue_house I think there was 3 more sitting behind that place now
20:57 the_jester i certainly havent been sitting around eating cheezies and watching southpark
20:57 rue_house :)
20:57 rue_house the_jester, on another note, were you able to program the avr?
20:57 the_jester i want to make it into some kinda big nasty thing with a saw or guns
20:58 the_jester havent tried, like to bin?
20:58 the_jester link
20:58 the_jester im just retarded here, wood stove it too hot
20:58 the_jester mabey its consumed all the 02 and i have hypoxia
20:59 rue_house !assist avr
20:59 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr
20:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/at90s2313ledblink.hex
21:02 rue_house coppermine, you still here?
21:02 rue_house !assist images
21:02 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images
21:03 rue_house coppermine, http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/dscn0859.jpg <-- he wants more than $100
21:03 rue_house its a lot like...
21:03 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/robots/mowerbot2/p1000878.jpg
21:03 the_jester rue he isnt interested anyway
21:04 rue_house cause he's not looking
21:04 rue_house he dosn't like me, he ignores me
21:09 rue_house jester you want ot make real money, sit here and sell wheeled robot platforms
21:09 rue_house I'm serious
21:09 rue_house nobody wants to invest the knowledge or time to make their own
21:09 orlok heh
21:09 orlok make one that you can use together with a skateboard
21:09 rue_house make about 4 different sizes from sumobot to the size of the disability cart
21:09 orlok like a chariot
21:09 rue_house prices from about $40 to $200
21:10 orlok bub is making more cute gugrling-cooing noises now
21:10 Tom_itx rue_house
21:11 Tom_itx got mail?
21:14 the_jester ya rue?
21:14 the_jester got Male?
21:15 the_jester lol
21:15 rue_house oh hmm I shoudl check
21:18 the_jester what did u send tom?
21:18 Tom_itx stuff
21:18 the_jester its a surprise isnt it
21:18 Tom_itx couple boards
21:19 zhanx rue_house: i got mail
21:19 the_jester i keep telling rue if he wants i can bring hi the tank you sent me, rue refuses
21:19 the_jester Hot Male?
21:20 the_jester wonder if microsoft would shut you down Me@hotmale.com
21:22 the_jester anyway that sillyness aside, tom ive beel looking at your site and your programmers :)
21:23 the_jester nice stuff
21:23 Tom_itx functional
21:23 Tom_itx they will program most 8bit avrs
21:26 the_jester ya..I gather
21:26 the_jester they look good anyways, your stuff has impressed me for years
21:27 theBear rminds me, anyone got the little datasheet/pinout for a rif parallel programmer ?
21:27 theBear save me tracing it
21:27 Tom_itx theBear yes
21:27 theBear oooh :)
21:27 the_jester i would be happy to have that aswell
21:28 the_jester always frustrated e there was no proper documentation for anything rue and i built or used
21:28 theBear it's mostly usefull if you have one in the draw next door and forgot the pinout, otherwise it's yer standard stk200 style buffered
21:28 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/avr/ispdongle.pdf
21:28 Tom_itx if you do the 6 pin, keep in mind they have the miso mosi backwards
21:29 the_jester for some reason avrdude refuses to recognise if you specift stk200?
21:29 Tom_itx rue has a conf for it
21:29 the_jester ya i have a copy of it
21:30 the_jester its on the irc junk ftp
21:30 Tom_itx theBear you haven't heard from him have you?
21:30 theBear oh standard atmel eh.. nice..
21:31 theBear nah, havent' heard for a while.... should have his fone number somewhere, but i been a mess the last ooh, almost a year now, between medication and pain....
21:31 the_jester im trying to get a Rue_Prog to play nice with the arduino ide
21:31 the_jester .hex
21:31 the_jester wrong keyboard
21:33 theBear i wouldn't know about arduino ide, but when i used to use generic ones (from memory kdevelop and blufish were a couple favourites) i just worked out a nice avrdude/ponyprog cmdline and stuck it in the program macro whatsit, or a generic macro button whatsit
21:33 theBear also if you get yer makefiles right a simple make install can do the programming for you
21:40 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/avrdude.conf <-- for windows
21:40 rue_house the_jester, can you use avrdude direct?
21:41 Tom_itx must be a no on the mail
21:43 theBear hmm... i'm the only guy that's been here for years without a programmer named after him :(
21:44 Tom_itx aww
21:44 theBear heh
21:44 Tom_itx i just filled a need
21:45 theBear err, did she pay you ?
21:45 theBear fark, there's lightning everywhere.... i should PROBABLY not have the modem plugged in
21:45 Tom_itx we all pay one way or the other
21:45 theBear saw some musta been within a block on the bus over... i was kinda worried walking home with a metal stick in my hand and thunder everywhere
22:01 the_jester okay, have compiled, hunted out hex and now building avrdude command
22:03 rue_house the_jester, something like avrdude -p m32 -e -U flash:w:$(PRG).hex
22:03 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/using_avrdude_index.php
22:03 Tom_itx pick one
22:04 rue_house for example avrdude -p m32 -e -U flash:w:myfile.hex
22:06 the_jester hmm, no entry for m18 in rues avrdude.conf
22:06 the_jester 168 i mean
22:06 the_jester not good
22:06 rue_house hu?
22:06 Tom_itx rue is so out of date
22:07 rue_house oh, well copy over the myprog bit
22:07 Tom_itx you may have to add it
22:07 rue_house oh I need to check the mailbox
22:09 the_jester hmm, looking for .conf entry to copypasta
22:09 Tom_itx pull one from a newer ver of avrdude
22:09 rue_house see the bit that says the default program is a myprog?
22:10 the_jester ya i see it rue, copy the entry for your programmer into a newer .conf?
22:11 Tom_itx i would
22:12 rue_house yes
22:12 rue_house I think I already had to do that to one of mine
22:12 the_jester 0x86
22:12 the_jester that is the answer
22:15 the_jester interesting, it didnt seem to care about my changes to the .conf
22:16 the_jester m168 not found.. great..
22:19 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/avrdude-5.10/
22:19 Tom_itx grab that one
22:19 Tom_itx the conf
22:19 Tom_itx and add rue's stuff to it
22:22 Tom_itx does stk200 work?
22:22 Tom_itx that's what i used to use on it
22:23 rue_house no for some reason stk200 dosn't
22:23 the_jester programmed, no blink
22:23 rue_house it took me ages to work out why, and now I dont remember
22:23 Tom_itx i may not have your mods anymore
22:24 rue_house the_jester, which chip?
22:24 Tom_itx 168
22:24 rue_house the_jester, which command line did you use for avrdude?
22:24 rue_house oh I need to check my mail
22:26 the_jester -p m168 -Plpt1 -U flash:w: (blah blah)blink.hex
22:27 the_jester nox an exact c/p cause im programming on a differnt machine
22:32 Tom_itx avrdude -p m32 -c stk200 -P lpt1 -U xxxxxx
22:32 Tom_itx that's what i used with the parport one
22:35 the_jester ok led is on the wrong f'ing pin
22:38 the_jester okay, its alive!!
22:38 the_jester blinks very very slowly though
22:38 Tom_itx that's cause ckdiv8 is set
22:38 Tom_itx it's a new fuse the old ones didn't have
22:38 Tom_itx it's running at 1Mhz
22:38 Tom_itx i bet
22:39 the_jester hmm, i bet you i didnt set the fuse bytes
22:40 Tom_itx don't screw it up and set it wrong
22:40 Tom_itx default brand new 168 is 1Mhz internal osc iirc
22:41 the_jester ah
22:42 the_jester okay i have 16mhz ext osc.....
22:42 the_jester datasheet?
22:42 the_jester oh crap i such at this
22:42 Tom_itx use the online fuse calc
22:42 the_jester ATmega168 Fuse Settings
22:42 the_jester Once set the fuses should read 0xF8, 0xDF and 0xFF, which is equivalent to:
22:42 the_jester * Boot Flash section size = 1024 words Boot start address = $1C00; [BOOTSZ=00]; default value
22:42 the_jester * Boot Reset Vector Enabled (default address = $0000); [BOOTRST=0]
22:42 the_jester * Brown-out detection disabled; [BODLEVEL=111]
22:42 the_jester * Ext. Crystal Osc.; Frequency 8.0 - MHz; Startup time PWRDWN/RESET: 16K CK/14 CK + 64ms; [CKSEL=1111 SUT=0]
22:43 the_jester no no this is a mess
22:43 Tom_itx http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/
22:44 Tom_itx 7F lf, DF hf, F9 ef
22:45 Tom_itx or FF ef
22:45 Tom_itx don't use ef
22:47 Tom_itx your 0xF8 would be wrong for 16Mhz
22:47 the_jester oxDF
22:47 Tom_itx that's HF
22:48 the_jester so is that wrong?
22:49 Tom_itx or use 0xFF lf, 0xDF hf
22:49 Tom_itx that turns off ckdiv8 too
22:49 Tom_itx high speed external crystal
22:49 Tom_itx max startup delay
22:49 Tom_itx 64ms
22:51 the_jester okay..-U lfuse:w:0xff:m -U hfuse:w:0xdf:m
22:51 the_jester ?
22:51 the_jester im inpressed it does anything frankly
22:51 Tom_itx hold on
22:52 Tom_itx -U lfuse:w:0xff:m -U hfuse:w:0xdf:m -U efuse:w:0xf9:m
22:52 the_jester that is compiled under the arduino ide hex snatched and uploaded to my breadboard via rue_prog un avrdude
22:52 Tom_itx that's what the calc spits out
22:52 Tom_itx to do each one separate
22:52 Tom_itx and really the only one you need to change is LF
22:53 the_jester to turn off ckdiv8?
22:53 Tom_itx avrdude -c usbtiny -p m168 -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -u
22:53 Tom_itx is my example on the site
22:53 Tom_itx change the value and programmer
22:55 Tom_itx so just change LF to 0xFF
22:55 Tom_itx that will set it to high speed crystal 64ms startup with ckdiv8 off
22:56 Tom_itx so your clock should be 16Mhz then
22:56 Tom_itx and in your program set F_CPU accordingly
22:56 Tom_itx #define F_CPU
22:56 Tom_itx things like delay, usart etc use that
22:57 the_jester no more blink
22:58 Tom_itx on steady?
22:58 the_jester off
22:58 rue_house no! dont mess with the fuses!!!!!
22:58 rue_house it worked, you dont ened to change the fuses!!!!
22:59 Tom_itx always gotta meddle
22:59 rue_house the_jester, WHAT AVR ARE YOU USING!?
22:59 Tom_itx rue pay attention
22:59 Tom_itx i told you
22:59 Tom_itx 168
22:59 rue_house where you getting a 168 from?
22:59 rue_house that sat card?
22:59 Tom_itx an atmel distributor
23:00 rue_house does it have an onboard crystal?
23:00 Tom_itx atmega168
23:00 rue_house I bet it dosn't does it
23:00 Tom_itx internal osc
23:00 Tom_itx they all do
23:00 Tom_itx silly boy
23:00 Tom_itx defaults to 1Mhz
23:00 rue_house no I think he's messing with a sat card that was using external clock source
23:00 Tom_itx has a ckdiv8 fuse
23:00 rue_house so its not gonna program till he gets a clock into it
23:00 Tom_itx well all i know is what he's telling me. i'm assuming nothing
23:01 the_jester its dead, cannot write to it avr does not respond
23:01 rue_house he's also trying to flash a 90S2313 blink image into it
23:01 Tom_itx he said he had an external 16Mhz crystal
23:01 rue_house yes!!! because it has no lcock source
23:01 the_jester arg
23:01 the_jester atmega 168
23:01 Tom_itx well he needs to grab my example files
23:01 the_jester 16 mhz xtal
23:01 rue_house jester, that card, does it have a crystal ON it?
23:01 rue_house k
23:01 rue_house hmm
23:01 Tom_itx and use them with a default 1Mhz internal osc fuse setting
23:01 Tom_itx then fuck it up from there
23:01 the_jester binked very slowly, no no bink at all
23:02 rue_house and you cant program the fuses?
23:02 the_jester will try again
23:02 Tom_itx the_jester, you changed the fuses to a setting you don't have wired up yet
23:02 rue_house did you scrfew up the fuses?
23:02 Tom_itx 16Mhz external crystal
23:02 Tom_itx no he set lf to 0xFF
23:02 Tom_itx or was supposed to
23:02 Tom_itx based on what he told me
23:03 rue_house the_jester, you still have that oscillator module for the 2313?
23:03 the_jester yup
23:03 the_jester shall i inject 1 mhz
23:03 rue_house you need it to inject a clock source into you 168
23:03 Tom_itx you take over and thoroughly confuse him
23:03 Tom_itx i'm out
23:03 the_jester thanks tom, no worries im such a stupid newb
23:03 Tom_itx bedtime here
23:03 rue_house the_jester, that said, are you not getting any responce out of it at all right now?
23:03 the_jester im guessing my xtal is dead or not reaching the avr
23:04 rue_house where did you get a 168 blink hex?
23:04 the_jester i will inject that 1mhz clock
23:04 rue_house ugh
23:04 Tom_itx see if you had my programmer you could recover from this easily
23:04 the_jester safemode here we go
23:04 the_jester i compiled the code in the arduino ide
23:04 rue_house ......
23:05 rue_house maybe we should make sure it works as a std avr before trying to arduino stuff on it?
23:05 Tom_itx good idea
23:05 e_jester contemplates saying fuc
23:05 rue_house nono
23:05 Tom_itx use my example files
23:05 Tom_itx they are compiled and the hex is on my site
23:05 Tom_itx for a dead stock 168 avr
23:05 rue_house I'm just peeved off cause the boiler leakend and wrecked the WRONG SIDE of the floor in bills rooom
23:05 the_jester okay, first think first i have to bring this thing back to life and then try to reset the fuse to the int osc
23:05 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
23:06 rue_house I have to tear up the whole freaking floor to fix it
23:06 rue_house wait, or do I
23:06 the_jester thank you for the link tome, in theory at 1mhz i will get the slow blink again
23:06 rue_house you had it blinking?
23:06 Tom_itx all the files are there for each example
23:07 rue_house cool...
23:07 Tom_itx compiled for a stock mega68
23:07 Tom_itx 168
23:07 Tom_itx rue yes he had it bliknking but very slow
23:07 Tom_itx probably because of ckdiv8
23:07 rue_house cool
23:07 rue_house so hen he screwed up the fuses
23:08 Tom_itx no, he tried to set it for external crystal as i told him to
23:08 Tom_itx LF:0xFF
23:08 Tom_itx that's it
23:08 Tom_itx so you know what's been done so far
23:08 Tom_itx goin to bed...
23:09 the_jester okay its aile
23:09 Tom_itx with the external crystal?
23:09 the_jester with and ext osc. 1.84 mhz
23:09 the_jester so i either have a dead xtal or the caps are too large
23:09 Tom_itx ok change the fuse back to stock now
23:10 Tom_itx and play with it that way a while
23:10 rue_house set fuses back to internal and take a pic for us of that board :)
23:10 the_jester okay, gotta figure out default fuse bits
23:10 Tom_itx LF: 0x62
23:10 Tom_itx is stock
23:10 Tom_itx that's it
23:11 Tom_itx you didn't change the others
23:11 the_jester argg wrong keybooard!!Q
23:11 Tom_itx LF:0x62 HF:0xDF EF:0xF9 or 0xFF is default
23:11 Tom_itx and that's also in my tutorial
23:12 Tom_itx 4) Program the fuse settings as follows:
23:12 Tom_itx lfuse = 0x62, hfuse = 0xDF, efuse = 0xF9
23:16 the_jester geezus
23:16 the_jester this is not going well
23:18 rue_house Tom_itx, give him the actual command line,
23:24 the_jester wont respond anyore
23:24 the_jester osc1 or osc2?
23:27 the_jester god, what a joke
23:39 rue_house I dont know, 1 min
23:39 rue_house the_jester, show me the command line you used for the fuses
23:40 the_jester -U lfuse:w:0xff:m
23:40 the_jester thats all i changed
23:40 rue_house xtal1
23:40 rue_house no you were suppsed to change them to 62
23:40 rue_house LF:0x62 HF:0xDF EF:0xF9 or 0xFF is default
23:40 rue_house LF - lfuse
23:41 rue_house -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xF9
23:41 the_jester wierd, doesnt blink anymore
23:41 rue_house er and
23:41 the_jester wont program, dead
23:41 rue_house -U efuse:w:0xf9
23:42 rue_house yea, you set the fuses to 0xff again
23:42 rue_house stop setting the lfuse to 0xff
23:42 the_jester ugh
23:42 rue_house -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xF9 -U efuse:w:0xf9
23:42 rue_house THATS why I told tom to give you the COMMAND line stuff for it, not to just tell you what the fuses should be set to
23:43 rue_house I forgot the :m on those
23:43 rue_house -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xF9:m -U efuse:w:0xf9:m
23:43 the_jester ugh, be nice if i could cut and paste that.
23:43 rue_house damnit I did tit arong agakjnsdf
23:43 rue_house Ic ant trype I'm trying to hirry too much
23:44 the_jester heres the scoop, you reset the cu, it sits there and does nothing unless you touch the clk wire, then the led turns on and stays on
23:44 rue_house -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xdf:m -U efuse:w:0xf9:m
23:44 rue_house hook up the clock and fix the fuses
23:44 the_jester if you reset it and dont touch anything it stays dark
23:44 rue_house hook up the clock and fix the fuses!
23:45 rue_house avrdude -p m168 -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xdf:m -U efuse:w:0xf9:m
23:45 the_jester i suspect it isnt running
23:45 rue_house 70% of the reason people use arduinos is cause you cant screw up its fuses
23:46 the_jester seems good to me
23:46 the_jester i always screw this shit up
23:46 the_jester double plus ugh
23:46 rue_house ask for the whole avrdude command line
23:46 rue_house esp if changing fuses
23:47 rue_house thats something toms page does a terrible job of, telling you how to flash you avr
23:48 the_jester rc=1
23:48 the_jester fail
23:50 the_jester i swear this osc is fucked, or ive bricked the chip
23:51 rue_house rc=1?
23:52 the_jester avvr device not rsponding
23:52 rue_house and you jave a clock jammed into it, and the power linesare st
23:52 rue_house still connected to the osc
23:52 rue_house and the osc didn't pop out the jbreadboard like they like to do?
23:53 rue_house I have to go to bed, bill is in charge of the boiler from here on in
23:53 rue_house god help us
23:54 r0b-_ hey rue