#robotics Logs

Nov 04 2011

09:00 rue_mohr last night after getting the tank up to 75c, I closed the boiler loop valve, this morning the tank was at 67c
09:00 rue_mohr need to stop the evil convection currents
14:54 rizlah /yawn
14:54 rizlah moar robot talk pls
14:59 Tom_itx no
15:02 rizlah :c
15:20 KongfuPanda 0 10010010001111100101010100101
15:20 Steffanx Yes yes
15:20 KongfuPanda rizlah, how's that? :D
15:20 rizlah I like it!
15:20 rizlah Now yer talkin' my language
15:21 Steffanx Aussie?
15:21 KongfuPanda rizlah, have you seen my home-cooked robot? ;)
15:21 rizlah KongfuPanda, I have not
15:21 rizlah Steffanx, naw
15:21 Steffanx Hmm, how's that possible?
15:21 rizlah I want to build a robot, but don't have the dollar :c
15:21 KongfuPanda rizlah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FxWpbLiw5g
15:22 Steffanx Poor rizlah :)
15:22 Steffanx Nice KongfuPanda
15:22 rizlah Steffanx, I have the money for a board/etc, but not the money for getting lazer cut legs/etc
15:22 rizlah Also, I only have two months left.
15:22 Steffanx Where you from?
15:23 Steffanx *where are
15:23 rizlah Fi
15:23 Steffanx Finland?
15:23 rizlah KongfuPanda, No way that sound is HD
15:23 rizlah Steffanx, Joo
15:23 Steffanx Here in The Netherlands and some other countries on the world we have special FabLabs for this
15:24 Steffanx They have 'everything' you need.. you can use it for free (you only pay the materials)
15:24 rizlah Nice
15:24 rizlah Why do they have those?
15:24 Steffanx You don't have that in finland?
15:24 KongfuPanda rizlah :D
15:24 Steffanx Why? Just because they like hobbists i guess
15:25 rizlah I haven't checked.
15:25 Steffanx http://mediafactory.aalto.fi/?tag=fablab :)
15:25 rizlah Found a site where I can get hands on an arduino uno for 22�
15:25 Steffanx I know Finland is big, so probably not close to you
15:26 rizlah Nice
15:26 rizlah bookmarked
15:26 Steffanx Here in NL they have laser cutters, 3d printers etc :)
15:27 Steffanx Even the more advanced 3d printers, which use powder etc.
15:27 Steffanx uses
15:28 rizlah So you only pay for materials?
15:28 Steffanx Yeah
15:28 rizlah Nice.
15:28 Steffanx I've never been to one though :P
15:29 rizlah Do they do mail order? Like you send them schematics and they send you the finished product?
15:29 Steffanx I think they don't. You have to do it yourself
15:29 rizlah Ah, ok
15:29 rizlah Need to brush up on my electronics knowledge before I start fabricating anything
15:30 rizlah Getting a board and working with it is fine (I'm fairly good with programming), but the designing of stuff is new to me
15:31 Steffanx I can design it, but I fail at the 'manufacturing' part
15:35 Steffanx Is it really that 'hard' for your cpu to calculate the right movements KongfuPanda ?
15:35 KongfuPanda Steffanx, I just did too many steps :D but it's not
15:36 Steffanx Chrome doesn't like your website
15:37 rizlah If anyone can help me with getting started, that would be great.
15:37 Steffanx Oh, it's RSS
15:37 rizlah I know I'm getting a Uno when my money comes through, but I need recommendations on what else to buy with it.
15:37 rizlah A uno by itself doesn't do much
15:38 KongfuPanda Steffanx, my website? why not?
15:38 Steffanx It doesn't like the rss feed's
15:39 Steffanx It just shows the 'xml'
15:39 KongfuPanda oh I see
15:39 Steffanx That's now when you expect when you click on a menu item :)
15:39 KongfuPanda unfortunately I don't know how to fix it :(
15:41 Steffanx Just ignore it, chrome doesn't seem to have a built-in rss reader
15:42 KongfuPanda Steffanx, do you have any robot picture/videos?
15:42 Steffanx No, not really
15:42 KongfuPanda Steffanx, have you ever built any?
15:43 Steffanx I have to confess i've only built one robot
15:43 Steffanx And that was 5 years ago :P
15:43 Steffanx *4
15:43 KongfuPanda what kind of robot? :) did you do it properly? design in 3D software parts, design electronics, think hard about timers etc etc?
15:43 rizlah KongfuPanda, Your blog suggests Dev-C++
15:43 KongfuPanda simulation
15:43 rizlah That is very bad.
15:44 rizlah Ah, that page was 2009
15:44 KongfuPanda rizlah, suggests for what?
15:44 Steffanx Uhm, no way KongfuPanda
15:44 Steffanx I knew NOTHING about microcontrollers, electronics
15:45 rizlah http://read-stuff-here.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-09-10T14%3A35%3A00%2B01%3A00&max-results=3 favourite applications list
15:45 KongfuPanda rizlah, I use it still. Just for university computing assigments, because we have Macs in university laboratories with Xcode, and I need to be able to go from wndows to macs
15:45 rizlah doesnt actually "suggest", but anyone reading will take it as a suggestion
15:45 KongfuPanda yeah, still use those :D
15:45 rizlah Dev-C++ is... very bad...
15:45 rizlah xD
15:45 Steffanx It was a line following robot with some color detection KongfuPanda
15:45 Steffanx It even worked
15:47 KongfuPanda Steffanx, nice one :D the one I'm building is my first robot :D on a budget. Anyway, the worst part are those e-bay servos.. they are really screwing me over, very very noisy, flexible and wrong specs..
15:47 KongfuPanda and I bought ~ 30 of them so far
15:47 Steffanx Hehe
15:47 Steffanx Maybe i can find some pics of my robot
15:47 KongfuPanda Steffanx, that would be nice
15:47 Steffanx I think i can't.. i don't have backups of files from 5 years ago
15:50 KongfuPanda oh noes :(
15:50 KongfuPanda Steffanx, so what do you do? maybe you want to build another one? :D
15:50 Steffanx I'd like to, but..
15:50 Tom_itx Steffanx, you don't have the link to the st-link v2 do you?
15:50 Steffanx the link to test the st-link?
15:51 Tom_itx no v2
15:51 Steffanx No only the v1
15:51 Steffanx KongfuPanda, I have the problem that i don't build things i can't use
15:51 Tom_itx they point you to the iar or keil etc tools for it i guess
15:52 Steffanx I used the stuff from TruStudio with a custom eclipse setup on windows
15:53 KongfuPanda Steffanx, but you can build like a big robot like rue_mohr builds, that can go around your house and do things: protect it, surveillance, maybe plant stuff. My reason for trying to do something is that when I graduate and get a job, I will be saving money for a good house. And I will build a bomb-shelter under it, with renewable sources of energy, greenhouses, and stuff. And robots that will...
15:53 KongfuPanda ...be doing stuff for me: planting things etc
15:53 KongfuPanda vacuum clean
15:53 Steffanx I'm not from Canada so now space for such a robot :)
15:53 Steffanx AND we have a dog
15:54 Steffanx *now = no
15:55 KongfuPanda true true
15:55 KongfuPanda I live in England, but I'm originally from Ukraine
15:55 KongfuPanda probably I will go somewhere else, where I can buy some land.
15:56 KongfuPanda actually my grand mother has like ~ 5 hectars of land in Ukraine, but she's crazy and doesn't talk to us or other people
15:56 KongfuPanda .wik hectar
15:56 Steffanx Hehe sounds nice KongfuPanda
15:56 KongfuPanda well, it's only 200 x 200 metres
15:57 rizlah KongfuPanda, Last time I checked, you cannot build bomb shelters in the UK unless you go through years of planning permission
15:57 KongfuPanda rizlah, really? you checked that?
15:57 KongfuPanda why not?
15:57 rizlah I lived there for a good amount of time
15:57 KongfuPanda I don't really mean bomb shelter, I mean "panic room"
15:58 rizlah England is very H&S + beurocracy (sp) oriented.
15:58 KongfuPanda I know I know, I have lived here for 6 years
16:00 KongfuPanda but it's really for hurricanes/floods/tsunamies
16:00 KongfuPanda :D
16:00 KongfuPanda and I will need a small lake, where I can have fish and stuff. And also waterpumps
16:01 rizlah For that, the first thing you'll need is a lot of money. xD
16:01 KongfuPanda :D well, you probably think I'm crazy. But it's not like something that I'm definitely gonna do, it's just a dream house: selft-sustaining, robotic, technological
16:01 KongfuPanda exactly
16:01 KongfuPanda probably ~2-5 million pounds
16:02 KongfuPanda I wounder what kind of salary one needs to get that kind of loan
16:02 rizlah IMO you shoud make the money and move elsewhere for the house. The UK does not have very good weather/people/politics/etc
16:02 Tom_itx Steffanx, i found v2 usb drivers
16:02 Tom_itx i wonder if that's what they're talking about
16:02 rizlah It also has overcrowding
16:03 Steffanx Don't move to NL … NL = over crowded
16:04 KongfuPanda rizlah, exactly. There's a new film , something about a disease or something, that spread. And immediately there's tonnes of rubbish in every city, no products, no food, water etc.. And I think this is similar to what really might happen if there were some bad event.
16:04 KongfuPanda I will probably stick with Russia/Ukraine, since I'm a native speaker. And there's a big choice where to live :D hahahaha
16:04 rizlah lolrussia
16:05 rizlah I want to live there, but everyone says no
16:05 KongfuPanda what do you mean says no?
16:05 rizlah Are you a survivalist/survival fanatic?
16:05 rizlah People always tell me Russia is a bad country
16:05 KongfuPanda yeah, ok, it's bad.
16:05 rizlah If I say I want to go Petersberg or Moscow, people say no don't go there
16:05 KongfuPanda I can tell you
16:05 KongfuPanda it's just the culture I guess
16:06 KongfuPanda people are not polite there, and often corrupt , some are crazy
16:06 KongfuPanda but there are also nice and decent people
16:07 KongfuPanda I went to Siberia when I was 7
16:07 Steffanx Go to norway, seems to be best country on the world to live in :)
16:08 rizlah Steffanx, Not anymore.
16:08 rizlah Europe is dying.
16:08 KongfuPanda there was like a native population of Eskimos, very very nice people. They gave me a big smoked fish for my 7th birthday
16:08 KongfuPanda I'm 24 now, but I still remember :D
16:08 rizlah nice
16:09 KongfuPanda now, I'm 23, sorry :D
16:09 KongfuPanda smoked sturgeon
16:09 Steffanx Not really rizlah
16:10 Steffanx Norway isn't part of the European union
16:10 KongfuPanda there are good places in many countries, but I don't like overcrowded countries.
16:11 Tom_itx Steffanx how did you find the link to that utility?
16:11 KongfuPanda The population is like ~7 billion, and is expected to continue raising by a lot.
16:11 Tom_L http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/resourceSelector/app?page=fullResourceSelector
16:11 Steffanx google Tom_
16:11 Steffanx itx
16:11 Tom_itx i don't see it there
16:11 Steffanx i googled on "st-link utility"
16:13 KongfuPanda Steffanx, are you from Norway?
16:13 Steffanx No
16:13 Steffanx NL
16:14 rizlah KongfuPanda, He is dutch
16:14 KongfuPanda oh nice
16:15 KongfuPanda what's the difference between dutch and danish?
16:15 KongfuPanda ok, I found on google
16:16 KongfuPanda I like apricot danish :D
16:17 Steffanx Uhm, the difference is .. everything
16:18 rizlah lolol
16:18 Steffanx I can't talk danish. People from denmark can't talk dutch
16:21 KongfuPanda Steffanx, do you like apricot danish?
16:21 Steffanx I don't even know what it is
16:22 KongfuPanda Steffanx, http://tinyurl.com/6altcxh
16:23 KongfuPanda it's crunchy sweet pastry, with custard and baked apricots with sugar/syrup and little bit of white glazing
16:23 Steffanx It looks OK, that's all i can tell
16:23 KongfuPanda in England they are in every bakery store
16:23 KongfuPanda dunno why they are called "danish"
16:24 Steffanx Hehe
16:25 Tom_itx what's not to like about that?
16:26 Steffanx I'm known for my 'what i don't know, i don't eat' Tom_itx
16:27 Tom_itx so how do you try new stuff?
16:27 Steffanx I don't .. or try :)
19:44 coppermine is enabling skype on a remote robot a good way for video/audio?
19:44 coppermine it can listen via the usb webcam mic
19:45 coppermine and show video
20:47 s5fs Anyone working with NXT bricks?
20:48 s5fs Alternatively, anyone using MRDS?
23:09 Tom_itx so rue_mohr
23:09 Tom_itx what are you working on this evening?
23:09 rue_mohr sleep
23:09 Tom_itx aarg
23:09 rue_mohr just finished shower and supper
23:10 Tom_itx you're a gonner then
23:10 Tom_itx food makes me sleepy
23:10 rue_mohr you were into me setting up the arm tools?
23:10 Tom_itx if you want
23:11 Tom_itx i loaded iar on windows
23:11 Tom_itx but i'd like to try to get it working
23:11 Tom_itx someone got gcc working for it i think
23:13 Tom_itx wtf. with the new target setting the entire toolchain built, no errors -_-
23:13 Tom_itx <gxti> so the magic string is indeed arm-linux-uclibceabi
23:13 Tom_itx gcc plus uclibc, although of course uclibc is no use for the kinds of microcontrollers i use
23:14 Tom_itx mostly there to keep gcc happy
23:14 Tom_itx <gxti> the codesourcery one i started with was arm-uclinuxeabi, maybe i should try arm-linux-uclibceabi
23:15 Tom_itx then there's the problem of the downloader
23:16 Tom_itx some have variations of st-link hacked
23:16 rue_bed MAYBE i canlook again to see what the hammer used
23:17 rue_bed I packed it all back up in a box and put in on the top shelf
23:17 Tom_itx yeah, i'm not sure what it used
23:17 Tom_itx i'm sure he's online somewhere
23:17 Tom_itx maybe not currently..
23:18 Tom_itx probably in #edev