#linuxcnc Logs
May 07 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
04:47 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> morning
05:03 AM rifraf: start around 15.45, interesting deep knurling technique, you guys tried it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKF0Ly573jw
05:10 AM pere: Are everyone here aware of the LinuxCNC gathering taking place in Norway in July? <URL: https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/emc-users/thread/a50484e8-13a5-463b-a4a0-f3237386a657%40bofh.no/ >
05:41 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
06:40 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:51 AM Tom_L: rifraf, called a bump knurl but we never cut anything before knurling
08:03 AM rdtsc-w: wonder how a laser-cut knurl would look...
08:26 AM rdtsc-w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRBOil6ic8c
10:17 AM roycroft: hi folks
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: sleeping in the recliner ???
10:23 AM roycroft: no
10:23 AM roycroft: but i do spend a lot of time in it
10:24 AM roycroft: it's very comfortable, and it's so easy to shift position by pushing a couple buttons
10:28 AM roycroft: wow - that festool exoskeleton sold in minutes after it got pushed up the queue
10:28 AM roycroft: i guess somoene found it useful
10:39 AM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
10:43 AM Unterhausen: Blue tooth square initially seemed cheap, then I realized they sell the body and blade separately
10:44 AM Unterhausen: probably haunt ebay for a Starrett
11:45 AM Unterhausen: Blue spruce, I meant
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i was wondering why they added bluetooth to a square... 😉
11:53 AM bjorkintosh: hah!
11:54 AM bjorkintosh: I was a bit lost as well.
11:59 AM roycroft: i like my starrett squares, but even on ebay they can be expensive, especially the hardened ones
12:00 PM roycroft: i've found that taylor tools make some very affordable tools that rival starrett in accuracy, although are not as aesthetically pleasing
12:00 PM roycroft: and taylor tools often have steeply discounted tools that have minor blemishes but are still fully-functional
12:02 PM roycroft: https://taytools.com/collections/tools-measuring-squares/products/12-pec-4r-2-piece-combination-square
12:02 PM roycroft: an example of their squares
12:02 PM roycroft: i don't see any blemished ones on their website currently, but they are often available
12:03 PM * roycroft avoids addressing the bluetooth issue, as it makes no sense whatsoever
12:03 PM bjorkintosh: blue spruce.
12:03 PM roycroft: oh, blue spruce
12:03 PM roycroft: i love blue spruce tools
12:04 PM roycroft: i have several
12:04 PM roycroft: i cannot afford as many as i'd like to have
12:04 PM roycroft: i mostly have blue spruce paring chisels and card scrapers
12:05 PM roycroft: i have never found better paring chisels than theirs
12:05 PM bjorkintosh: wow. it's only a 20 year old company!
12:05 PM roycroft: wicked sharp, hold their edge for a long time, and very flexible
12:05 PM bjorkintosh: I thought it was much much older.
12:05 PM roycroft: they were founded in portland oregon
12:05 PM roycroft: the owner decided to step back from operations, and sold the company to woodpeckers
12:06 PM roycroft: so they moved to ohio
12:06 PM roycroft: but the former owner still runs the blue spruce division, and still does product development
12:07 PM roycroft: so they still have him designing things, and they have the state-of-the art woodpecker manufacturing plant for production
12:09 PM * roycroft has some antique sorby (sheffield) paring chisels, and they pale in comparison to the blue spruce ones
12:09 PM roycroft: i do not know how they get that combination of strength and springiness in their paring chisels, but they are a pure joy to use
12:23 PM bjorkintosh: heat treatment magic.
12:38 PM roycroft: and using the right alloy
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - just sold the 30lbs of freon..
01:04 PM roycroft: hopefully to someone who is licensed to use it
01:06 PM rdtsc-w: once back in the 80's, saw a large chiller being repaired - compressor replacement. Two 55gal drums of freon; one got knocked over... about 12gal of freon on the floor, bubling away...
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yah - looks like he is a hvac guy
01:11 PM rdtsc-w: A few years ago, got in a box of old vaccum tubes "for repair." Four of them - exotic, long and skinny with a high-voltage tap on top, ceramic. One was leaking a sweet-smelling liquid. Promptly quadruple-bagged everything - 50's and earlier used poly-chlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs
01:26 PM roycroft: and there are them that want to take us back to those days
01:27 PM roycroft: they probably want to make cigarette smoking fashionable again too
01:33 PM xxcoder: or bring back the days where you could cut the air, and see a whole 10 feet in front of you?
02:06 PM bjorkintosh: really, who needs the FDA, huh?
02:06 PM bjorkintosh: no one. that's who!
02:06 PM bjorkintosh: /s
02:08 PM roycroft: the fda has been replaced with a brain worm
02:08 PM roycroft: that will save a lot of money
02:08 PM bjorkintosh: where are the savings when 1Trillion+ is going to the DoD?
02:21 PM roycroft: s/dod/spacex/
02:35 PM TelegramSam: I'm having a heck of a time getting linuxcnc and axis to communicate over TCP instead of shared memory. I'm aware of the example .nml files, but otherwise I can't find much on the syntax or details of the files themselves. I can't even get linuxcnc to start without errors, so that was my first goal. Any documentation or other resources I should be
02:35 PM TelegramSam: looking at?
02:40 PM roycroft: what is your ultimate goal, telegramsam? "getting linuxcnc and axis to communicate over tcp" is certainly a means to an end, not the end in and of itself
02:42 PM TelegramSam: I'm exploring what I can do with permissions to prevent access to the backend of linuxcnc, but run axis in a different user account. The cleanest way I could see was to have them talk over TCP instead of shared memory. Am I off mark from the start?
02:43 PM roycroft: it seems some signficant coding would be required to do that, but i also wonder what purpose it would serve
02:43 PM roycroft: it would add overhead and latency, things one does not want on a cnc controller
02:44 PM roycroft: so you have a significant coding effort and a performance hit
02:44 PM TelegramSam: The docs indicated that it would be a marginally slower connection.
02:44 PM roycroft: what do you gain?
02:45 PM roycroft: i'm not trying to be argumentive here - i'm trying to understand
02:46 PM TelegramSam: I appreciate you asking. The goal was to prevent access to the backend stuff, to prevent users screwing up the details on the backend.
02:57 PM bjorkintosh: TelegramSam: if they're competent enough to mess with the back-end, they would be you, wouldn't they?
02:57 PM bjorkintosh: in which case you can't stop them. most won't though.
02:57 PM TelegramSam: It's not the competent ones I was concerned about, but your point is fair.
02:58 PM rdtsc-w: there's also a python interface... https://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/python-interface.html
02:58 PM TelegramSam: I did see that. May need to use that for some custom ui stuff.
02:58 PM roycroft: perhaps making some of the config files that do not need to be updated read-only and owned by root would work
02:59 PM roycroft: i would avoid anything that might impact performance on a real-time application
03:00 PM roycroft: and consider that tcp might only have a "marginal" affect, until a packet gets dropped and the app is waiting patiently and indefinitely for an ack
03:01 PM TelegramSam: the plan was to run it on the same machine, which should minimize stuff like dropped packets.
03:01 PM bjorkintosh: why not skip the GIANT middle man?
03:02 PM roycroft: i would still look at other hardening methods that do not affect performance at all
03:02 PM TelegramSam: any hints on those methods?
03:02 PM bjorkintosh: proper users and groups for one thing.
03:02 PM roycroft: i just suggested ownership/permissions
03:02 PM bjorkintosh: it's easy enough.
03:03 PM roycroft: i'm not an expert on the inner workings of linuxcnc, and so i do not have any specific recommendations
03:03 PM roycroft: i'm just saying how i might approach this if i saw it as a problem
03:03 PM TelegramSam: right. so make files read only for the process running linuxcnc/axis to prevent accidental changes
03:03 PM bjorkintosh: exactly.
03:04 PM TelegramSam: I appreciate the advice. Thank you!
03:04 PM bjorkintosh: TelegramSam: and also regular backups in case the inevitable happens :-)
03:05 PM TelegramSam: Naturally. :)
03:06 PM rmu: TelegramSam: look at irc logs and maybe try 2.10, somebody fixed a lot of bugs about a year or so ago
03:06 PM bjorkintosh: git ... fossil ... hell even cvs
03:07 PM bjorkintosh: as a way to keep track of the changes.
03:07 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Anyone looking for some Toyoda 1050s?
03:07 PM rmu: don't remember the irc handle at the moment
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> With rgv's
03:09 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9czsLT7b5ARm9Jis8
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Going for scrap value
03:11 PM bjorkintosh: why? what's wrong with it hindsight?
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> 4 to a cell, 2 cells available
03:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Out of commission
03:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Using outside vendors for parts vs in house
03:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> The wrong is Fanuc controls and 20 year old wiring
03:14 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Was under contract with Toyoda and Fanuc for factory serviy
03:14 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Service
03:35 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:35 PM * JT-Shop just mowed the grass for the first time this year
03:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I am trying to get rid of stuff. So - no. 😉
03:47 PM roycroft: i've only partially mowed
03:48 PM roycroft: which means i get to the rest with a weedeater the first time
03:48 PM JT-Shop: anyone using debian 12 can you run apt-cache search python3-distro and let me know if it finds it
03:48 PM roycroft: i've spent what little energy i have for lawn and garden work getting the herb garden prepped and planted
03:49 PM roycroft: Physical Therapy
03:49 PM roycroft: Monday, May 5, 2025, 5:00 – 6:00 PM
03:49 PM roycroft: ack
03:49 PM roycroft: ~$ cat /etc/debian_version
03:49 PM roycroft: 12.10
03:49 PM roycroft: $ apt-cache search python3-distro
03:49 PM roycroft: python3-distro-info - information about distributions' releases (Python 3 module)
03:49 PM roycroft: python3-distro - Linux OS platform information API
03:50 PM JT-Shop: thanks, now to figure out why this chap does not have python3-distro
03:50 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/issues/146
03:52 PM roycroft: apt update
03:52 PM roycroft: the user should do that and try again
03:52 PM JT-Shop: ok thanks
03:52 PM roycroft: and make sure their /etc/apt/sources.list is correct
03:52 PM rdtsc-w: RC beat me to it :)
03:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Skunk works: runs on 3ph 208, they would look good next to the tractor, and they spent their whole life making tractor parts
03:56 PM roycroft: jt: are you familiar with the tmux utility?
03:57 PM JT-Shop: no
03:58 PM roycroft: i thought i'd mention it because you have multiple irc sessions going and switch back and forth depending on where you are
03:58 PM roycroft: which is not bothersome, but it's not necessary unless you want people to always know where you are
03:58 PM roycroft: tmux is a terminal multiplexer
03:58 PM JT-Shop: how would that change me being logged in from different pc's?
03:58 PM roycroft: i.e. you start up a tmux session on a computer
03:59 PM roycroft: you can detatch and reattach that session from wherever you are
03:59 PM roycroft: you can also attach to it from multiple locations simultaneously
03:59 PM roycroft: it might be something you're interested in
03:59 PM JT-Shop: via ssh?
03:59 PM roycroft: yes
03:59 PM roycroft: and if you can't ssh to your primary irc session i get that
04:00 PM roycroft: i'm just thinking that at home you could have on irc session, and attach to it from all your other shop/yard/chicken coop/tractor/treehouse/whatever locations
04:00 PM roycroft: i use tmux all the time
04:01 PM roycroft: i attach to my irc session from many different locations, and you never know where i am unless i tell you
04:01 PM roycroft: apt -y install tmux
04:01 PM roycroft: then when you log in, tmux
04:01 PM Tom_L: we would miss JT-Chicken though
04:01 PM roycroft: and whatever you do there you can attach and detach
04:01 PM rdtsc-w: bawk bawk!
04:01 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:02 PM roycroft: you can also create multiple windows in the tmux session
04:02 PM roycroft: and when you reattach from elsewhere you get all the windows
04:02 PM roycroft: plus, when you log out the session keeps running
04:02 PM roycroft: that's the biggest benefit to me
04:02 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to check it out
04:03 PM roycroft: when i'm administering remote servers, and i'm doing something scary that can't be interrupted, i always do it in a tmux session, so that if my internet link goes south i can just reattach when it comes back and keep on going
04:03 PM JT-Shop: that's pretty cool
04:03 PM roycroft: yeah
04:03 PM JT-Shop: ducks are back
04:04 PM roycroft: i used to use screen(1), but it only allows attaching from one place at a time
04:04 PM roycroft: tmux(1) allows multiple simultaneous attachments to a session
04:04 PM Tom_L: what about the woodchuck?
04:04 PM roycroft: the ducks women's golf team are kicking butt
04:04 PM roycroft: one of the players shot a 62 yesterday in a tournament - that ties a record
04:05 PM JT-Shop: I've not seen the woodchuck, I think it got annoyed by my constant presence
04:06 PM roycroft: when you start a new tmux session you just type "tmux"
04:06 PM roycroft: to create a new window you do "ctl-b n"
04:06 PM roycroft: to detach it's "ctl-b d"
04:06 PM roycroft: and to reattach "tmux a"
04:06 PM roycroft: that's almost everything you need to know about it
04:07 PM roycroft: er, it's "ctl-b c" to create a new window
04:07 PM roycroft: "ctl-b n" to switch to the next one
04:07 PM * roycroft does it all from muscle memory, and has to think about the actual steps
04:09 PM Tom_L: i had a dos editor i used like that. if i thought about it i would mess up
04:12 PM roycroft: yup
04:22 PM JT-Shop: what was the editor that came up with a blank screen with no prompts
04:23 PM roycroft: ed(1)
04:24 PM roycroft: well, if you open an existing file with ed it displays the size of the file, but no other prompt
04:25 PM roycroft: ed -s supresses that
04:43 PM Tom_L: that would be confoosing
04:44 PM Tom_L: reminds me of copy con
04:45 PM Tom_L: ed is based on the editor algorithm described in Brian W. Kernighan and P. J. Plauger's book
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I was thinking there was a word processor that started up without any prompts or menu
04:45 PM roycroft: ed is fine, and i still use it occasionally
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I can't even imagine using edlin
04:45 PM roycroft: ed file
04:45 PM roycroft: 1,5p
04:45 PM roycroft: (print lines 1-5)
04:46 PM roycroft: 5 s/foo/bar
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: there's a whole book on ed, I was surprised to find out.
04:46 PM roycroft: (substitute foo with bar on line 5)
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: it's a little different on plan9.
04:46 PM roycroft: wq
04:46 PM Tom_L: i used copy con to make the dos startup bat file
04:46 PM roycroft: (write and quit)
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: it's where we get grep.
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: and sed.
04:46 PM Tom_L: sometimes
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: dos? what are you doing with dos?
04:46 PM roycroft: it's not a great interactive editor these days, but it's still very useful for scripts
04:46 PM Tom_L: using it
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: Dos??
04:47 PM Tom_L: yes i have a custom program i still use and maintain
04:47 PM Tom_L: that pc boots NT or Dos :)
04:47 PM bjorkintosh: oh I see.
04:47 PM bjorkintosh: have you run said program on dosbox yet?
04:47 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
04:48 PM Tom_L: i can run it in a windows terminal but it messes with the printers
04:48 PM bjorkintosh: just curious, what is this program? is it a dbase III program or something?
04:49 PM Tom_L: for my business
04:49 PM * JT-Shop used to write programs in foxpro
04:49 PM Tom_L: and it was dbase based
04:49 PM Tom_L: but i programmed it in clipper
04:49 PM Tom_L: which is a comiled language
04:49 PM bjorkintosh: aha! almost every time I've heard of a dos program remaining is because of dbase.
04:50 PM bjorkintosh: it must have been great. never used it myself.
04:50 PM Tom_L: dbase is too old to do much with due to dates etc
04:50 PM Tom_L: i do still have it installed
04:50 PM Tom_L: it doesn't know what the year 2000 is
04:51 PM bjorkintosh: wow.
04:56 PM Tom_L: well, it did in a way but some things recognized a 2 digit year
04:57 PM Tom_L: and therein lies the problem
04:57 PM Tom_L: on clipper, i set epoch
04:57 PM Tom_L: gives something like a 30 year range
04:59 PM Tom_L: and clipper allowed hooks to C & asm
05:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oof - one of our first erp systems was written in foxpro
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> SBT
05:12 PM roycroft: the country fair's first membership database was written in foxpro
05:13 PM roycroft: that was in 1990
05:13 PM xxcoder: what its not cobol? ;) joking
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> when I started working in IT there - the were using a program written in ibm basic - they called it petes program - because pete wrote it.
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the databases were text files.
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The lady in charge freaked up when I pulled the current employee list directly from the text file.
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> *out
05:15 PM Tom_L: i named some of mine after who they were for
05:15 PM Tom_L: i did a few aside from my own
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the lady didn't think I had access to the software. (I had no clue how to run it - but certainly could pull info out for the owner)
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> new video from mend it mark
05:19 PM Tom_L: we actually had a user group that met once a month
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Neat! my coworker moved back from california.. He would do work for his previous empoyer - some sort of payroll system. I think that was also foxpro.
05:20 PM JT-Shop: I should do something productive but it's almost time to quit for the day
05:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I am almost ready to see if I can get my car in here.
05:21 PM roycroft: i'm done with work for the day
05:21 PM roycroft: and i have my weekly dinner engagement tonight, so i'm not going to start a big project now
05:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I need to push a forklift out of the way... (it is to the point I need to cut it up)
05:22 PM roycroft: i need to document my network services better - what i'm hosting, where, and how much i'm paying
05:22 PM roycroft: maybe i can do that now and figure out how to save some cost
05:22 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have a mini panic every year trying to figure out if any of my domain names are expiring...
05:23 PM JT-Shop: I have a guy coming by to buy my middle buster
05:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (the important ones are usually 5 to 10 years)
05:23 PM roycroft: i am a domain registrar, and register my own
05:23 PM roycroft: and i get daily renewal notices for all the domains registered through me
05:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I didn't know that was a thing...
05:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> neat
05:23 PM roycroft: my personally owned ones i have on auto-renew
05:24 PM roycroft: that's actually one of the things i need to deal with when i do the network services audit - i bought a new billing system that lets customers do their own registrations/renewals/etc., and i need to host that in public ip space somewhere
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pKBohZH3CZM2swbWA
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that powersupply goes back to my childhood...
05:25 PM roycroft: it's not a thing that everyone can do, skunkworks8841
05:26 PM roycroft: i would so restore that power supply and use it
05:26 PM roycroft: that's awesome
05:26 PM roycroft: i would love it on my bench
05:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is - I think the cover is around here somewere
05:27 PM roycroft: if my bench were strong enough to support it :)
05:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Right!? the thing is heavy
05:27 PM roycroft: it actually doesn't look that heavy
05:27 PM roycroft: maybe 25kg or so?
05:27 PM JT-Shop: I have a workbench or two that can support a tank
05:27 PM xxcoder: time to upgrade the bench
05:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> It has been used for so may things.
05:27 PM roycroft: find the cover and fix it up
05:27 PM roycroft: don't make it look new
05:27 PM roycroft: but make it look clean and make it work
05:28 PM JT-Shop: oh cool the bunnies are chasing each other
05:28 PM JT-Shop: I'm thinking one is looking to mate with the other
05:29 PM roycroft: is that not what every bunny thinks about all the time?
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it used to have selenium rectifier in it.. at some point we replaced it with sillicon
05:29 PM JT-Shop: I'm not sure if it's a seasonal thing or not
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the rabbits where running around here yesterday
05:30 PM JT-Shop: I know the ducks are a spring mating only and try and hatch up to 12 eggs
05:31 PM JT-Shop: but if you keep taking the eggs they keep adding more back
05:32 PM xxcoder: yeah. one of rare eagles its same. they normally only do one egg a year, but if you grab egg they will make another one. only once though
05:32 PM xxcoder: which is good way to boost recovery, get one egg a time from nests and hatch em
05:33 PM bjorkintosh: *gasp* are the eggs golden by any chance?
05:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> found it
05:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/j96CcsNCh9XkEybBA
05:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the circuit breaker has been broken as long as I can remember - you just stick your finger in there to reset it
05:38 PM roycroft: i bet that enclosure would clean up nicely with some mild soapy water
05:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes
05:38 PM roycroft: then maybe shoot a couple coats of satin or matte clear over it
05:38 PM roycroft: fix up the electronics
05:38 PM roycroft: and you're good for another half century
05:39 PM roycroft: if it were me i'd replace the breaker
05:39 PM roycroft: but i have no memories of sticking my finger in it
05:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I probably have one around - have to look
05:39 PM roycroft: so maybe not
05:39 PM roycroft: those memories are important
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yah - It isn't like you can get a shock - it is just missing the lever
05:40 PM JT-Shop: using your finger sounds shocking
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is definatly old school - with inductors and shit..
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wonder if there is a manual online
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep https://www.artisantg.com/info/Epsco_NFB_Datasheet_201972621239.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOoq20KfsnuQgn8RZeFhz94ETGoDqFICVYd0dNEM5gYRbwQdqeuYl
06:05 PM roycroft: well you need to revive that thing or i'll lose all respect for you
06:06 PM roycroft: not that my respect means anything
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - it isn't going anywere - I just used it recently to spin a large brushed servo
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/kX8gG2Vkw64UPuyKA
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> That was tight
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I need to make more room
11:14 PM roycroft: good evening, ladies and germs
11:14 PM xxcoder: hey germ
11:17 PM roycroft: non habemus papem
11:18 PM roycroft: fumus nigram est
11:21 PM xxcoder: yeah dunno what that means
11:22 PM roycroft: it means there is black smoke coming from the chimney in the sistine chapel, meaning no new pope yet
11:22 PM xxcoder: ah yes oil burning. pope oil gasket is failing
11:23 PM roycroft: it's the ballots that they burn
11:23 PM roycroft: but they include some additives to turn the smoke black when they haven't picked a new pope yet
11:24 PM xxcoder: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749283134893457459/1368468568173314128/unknown-7.png?ex=681c49ab&is=681af82b&hm=86d202f28a164f1727df89286fcbf623001f815f26f5268f42728af4bcdefc45&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=764&height=932
11:39 PM roycroft: most recent popes have been elected on the second day of the conclave
11:40 PM xxcoder: probably rolled dice by then, they would be tired of that building by then