#linuxcnc Logs
May 01 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:05 AM lcnc-relay: <smokeums@> Ughhh anyone have experience with vevors a2-8022 vfd and 7i96s?
01:20 AM lcnc-relay: <smokeums@> I am having zero luck
01:28 AM Deejay: moin
04:27 AM Tom_L: morning
06:34 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
06:58 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://youtu.be/jOS9vUKgG1k?feature=shared
06:59 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Any idea what could be the issue?
06:59 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Brand new ad card
06:59 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Rpi 4b
07:08 AM rdtsc-w: vibram, maybe video driver / setting issue?
07:09 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> It worked well on a standard rpi image
07:09 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And just tried linuxcnc image
07:09 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Tried to rebuild the SD card twice and same issue
07:10 AM rdtsc-w: might be a good question for RodW on the forums - btw, use Rpi imager to write the .xz file; others like Balena Etcher are known to cause issues
07:14 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> yup i downloaded the rpi imager etc
07:22 AM JT-Cave: hmm 800 micro steps on the tb6600 seems to be pretty smooth running from a 7i96
07:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I bet.. I usually don't do much more than 1000 steps per rev
07:52 AM JT-Cave: on my plasma I use gecko's so it's 10 micro steps that morph into 1 as the speed goes up
07:52 AM JT-Cave: I'm just playing with a tb6600 so roycroft knows mesact will produce a working configuration
07:54 AM {HD}_ is now known as {HD}
07:54 AM * rdtsc-w wonders why G64 P0.001 isn't in every linuxcnc example - seems to run just as fast
07:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think at some point - a default was set to something like that. wasn't it?
07:55 AM JT-Cave: I used to wonder about a lot of things the devs did but it gave me worry lines so I quit
07:56 AM JT-Cave: default is G64 with no P IIRC
07:58 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (I just add it to every gcode program)
07:58 AM bjorkintosh: today is the 61st birthday of the BASIC programming language.
07:58 AM bjorkintosh: for many many people, it was their first introduction to any form of programming.
07:58 AM bjorkintosh: including me.
07:59 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> same
08:00 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> TI basic...
08:00 AM bjorkintosh: QBASIC and QuickBASIC
08:00 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I wrote a lot in Qbasic
08:01 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had the book pretty much memorized..
08:01 AM bjorkintosh: fun times huh?
08:01 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day after looking at his copy of Peter North's Assembly Language for the IBM PC book
08:01 AM bjorkintosh: hah. I have a copy somewhere...
08:02 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had that book!
08:02 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I only played with assembly in college - never got into it.
08:03 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we interfaced a speech synthisizer chip to a z80 dev board..
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (early 90
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 90's)
08:06 AM rdtsc-w: happy birthday BASIC! and thanks to Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie, among others - from Basic and low-res turtles, to high-performance Rust and Python... guess advancements have been made
08:06 AM bjorkintosh: oh yes. the ideas behind LOGO were mind blowing.
08:07 AM bjorkintosh: in a way, G-CODE reminds me so much of LOGO. maybe that's why I didn't have much difficulty with it.
08:07 AM bjorkintosh: Seymour Papert, the guy who created logo, was one of the founders of AI in the '50s. he was a south african mathematician with 2 phds in math and psychology.
08:08 AM bjorkintosh: his belief was that teaching children how to program computers would give them an edge over the dull methods of classroom instruction, by allowing them to simulate in real time whatever they wanted.
08:08 AM bjorkintosh: this was at a time when computers filled whole rooms!
08:10 AM rdtsc-w: I used to have one page of x86 assembler in my CV... it would factorize any input number (to 64 bits) and report if it was prime. Fun stuff, but that was a long time ago
08:11 AM bjorkintosh: incidentally, the ideas behind turtle geometry came from cybernetics AND differential geometry.
08:21 AM bjorkintosh: one of Papert's most famous pop cultural contributions was ... lego mindstorms! one day I might buy a kit to play with.
08:25 AM bjorkintosh: rdtsc-w: do you use Rust at all?
08:37 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> disapointed about this rpi install, didnt managed to figure it out
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had the first version of mindstorms.. It was pretty awesome - it was a long time ago. The R3scapind!
08:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I figured out you could program the mindstorms with c - and it had 4 indipenent threads iirc
08:42 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had the first version of mindstorms.. It was pretty awesome - it was a long time ago.
09:01 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The newer mindstorms I think are better - the motors have encoder feedback I think.
09:13 AM bjorkintosh: yeah. and then they discontinued the whole thing.
09:15 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Really - like you can't buy any mindstorm kits anymore?
09:17 AM bjorkintosh: you can, but as you will see from here https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-mindstorms-ev3-31313 it's been retired.
09:18 AM jpa-: lego doesn't even sell motors anymore I think
09:18 AM jpa-: which is a shame, but on the other hand there are a lot of 3rd party manufacturers
09:21 AM bjorkintosh: they replaced it with spike prime: https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-education-spike-prime-set/45678/
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my son got a motorized lego that is bluetooth controlable.. But not the same
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I saw the spike thing..
10:02 AM roycroft: legos are made of plastic, not electronics :)
10:03 AM * roycroft had legos, erector sets, and lincoln logs as a kid, and knew the applications and limitations of each
10:05 AM roycroft: a wee bit of rain in the forecast for saturday, but other than that sunny for the next 10 days, with highs in the mid to upper 20s
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> of those 3 - I really didn't like lincoln logs..
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they were not very versitile..
10:21 AM roycroft: yeah, they were not my favorite
10:22 AM roycroft: it was cool building log cabins, but there were not a lot of options
10:22 AM roycroft: and they were big and bulky
10:23 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I did like tinker toys..
10:23 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> Greetings all- love the Lego and build commentary, is this the appropriate thread to poll the masses and share my misery with my probotix cnc/linux issues 😂😢
10:24 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> here.. probably.
10:24 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we get a bit side tracked from time to time
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> I respect and enjoy a good tangential thought here and there, it appeals to my nuerospicy nature
10:26 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> That said, anyone else absolutely livid at probotix and their complete lack of support, because I’m about to use the laser cutter and spindle just installed on my unit to give myself a lobotomy
10:28 AM roycroft: oh, yeah, i had tinker toys as well
10:28 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol.. I doubt anyone here actually has a probotix.. But I could be wrong. I did meet Len Shelton though..
10:28 AM roycroft: i forgot about them
10:29 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> what issue are you having?
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I still want an early 80's lego chassis.. but the more I wait - the more expensive they get..
10:34 AM roycroft: maybe there's one in the shop you're cleaning up
10:34 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> We have a GX 3750, and we recently burned out the Dewalt router on it and decided to upgrade to a 2.2 KW spindle. He also added a J tech laser. We were going to use the configurator that was listed on the wiki, but our machine was at linuxcnc version 2.5 (config needs 2.6), and the required files to upgrade have been archived.
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the laser and spindle are from probotix?
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> This is what I want.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/197238862622
10:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - that is very specific.. Note: Universal Configurator Onluy Works on LinuxCNC 2.6 on Ubuntu 10
10:42 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> No - laser is a 14w from jtech (wired to laser port on the unity2 controller, and spindle uses a hungyang vfd. Everything is wired, just hung up on the linuxcnc side
10:43 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> They do however list the same spindle/vfd… for x4 what we paid on amazon 😂
10:46 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - the unity2 uses 2 printer ports?
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> There’s a vfd port and a laser port, it’s wired per probotix recommendation, we just can’t get any support from the probotix on the backend for Linux and software…. At all
10:50 AM roycroft: so i just took a short break and wandered out to the studio for a fresh look at the minirouter after walking away from the frustration from yesterday
10:50 AM roycroft: and i was wrong yesterday - when i power up the stepper i cannot turn it, and when i remove power i can
10:50 AM roycroft: which indicates that the driver is working
10:51 AM roycroft: i'll spend some more time on it at lunch time
10:53 AM Tom_L: i still have the Peter Norton book as well as this one: https://archive.org/details/bluebookofassemb0000morg
10:53 AM Tom_L: maybe a couple others
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this looks promising.. Gives you the pinouts and such
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.probotix.com/wiki/index.php/Unity2_CNC_Controller
10:55 AM roycroft: the de minimus exemption on imports worth <$800 ends tomorrow
10:55 AM roycroft: so anything shipped from china will have a 145% duty imposed starting then, even low value items
10:56 AM roycroft: the duty is to be collected by the delivery service, so if any of you have shipments from china in process, be prepared to pay your delivery peron the 145% duty
10:58 AM Tom_L: roy jt was working on a stepper test this morning i think
10:59 AM roycroft: cool
10:59 AM roycroft: i'm glad the driver seems to be working
10:59 AM Tom_L: same basic setup you have
10:59 AM roycroft: and that halshow seems to be sending signals
10:59 AM Tom_L: it's got to be some simple thing
10:59 AM roycroft: i think it's down to perhaps a wiring issue now
11:00 AM roycroft: the driver is wired for single-ended mode
11:01 AM roycroft: as field power is jumpered to both step+ and dir+
11:01 AM roycroft: only step- and dir- were wired to its controller board
11:04 AM lcnc-relay: <wynneorlose@> Ugh, apparently the biggest issue is that all the online files etc are compatible with the unity 2E, and the resources for the unity two are MIA
11:08 AM JT-Shop: roycroft, do you have a photo of the driver?
11:10 AM roycroft: i can get one
11:11 AM roycroft: or a stock photo from ebay that matches perfectly - i can do that right now, unless you need to see the wiring
11:11 AM * roycroft suddenly senses that his back is getting sore, and needs to get up and walk about for a bit
11:12 AM * roycroft thinks walking out to the studio and back is the perfect distance
11:13 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: get the recliner yet?
11:17 AM roycroft: it should be delivered tomorrow, roguish
11:17 AM roycroft: and i can't wait
11:18 AM * roycroft waits for pics to be delivered
11:19 AM roycroft: when i took my walk out to the studio i had my cell phone with me and it seemed to take pics of the driver and mesa board
11:23 AM roycroft: my phone isn't emailing for whatever reason
11:26 AM roycroft: roycroft.us/tb6600.jpeg
11:26 AM roycroft: it looks exactly like that though
11:27 AM JT-Cave: https://ibb.co/HLksh4VB
11:27 AM roycroft: on the signal side, +5v from the 7i96 goes to pul+, and is jumpered from there to dir+ and ena+
11:27 AM JT-Cave: yea same thing as I have here
11:27 AM roycroft: i've tried differential wiring as well
11:28 AM JT-Cave: only 4 control wires are needed look at my photo
11:28 AM JT-Cave: nothing is jumpered
11:28 AM roycroft: your link is so slow it's going to be a while before it's loaded
11:28 AM roycroft: i can see a thin band of woodgrain at the top of the pic, and it's been loading for about 45 seconds now
11:29 AM JT-Cave: I should have reduced the size of the image
11:30 AM JT-Cave: so for stepper 0 TB1 pin 2 > pul -, pin 3 pul +, pin 4 dir - and pin 5 dir +
11:31 AM JT-Cave: https://ibb.co/LDbqMmhh
11:31 AM Tom_L: the things we do for noobs :)
11:32 AM JT-Cave: lol
11:33 AM JT-Cave: second one is 1/2 size but still loads slow for me
11:33 AM JT-Cave: uploaded fast...
11:33 AM Tom_L: they both popped right up here
11:33 AM roycroft: roycroft.us/MiniRouter
11:33 AM roycroft: there, the pics finally got emailed
11:34 AM roycroft: i have mine wired much differently to yours, from what you described
11:34 AM JT-Cave: nothing is needed on ena - or ena +
11:34 AM JT-Cave: nothing should be jumpered
11:34 AM roycroft: ok, yours loaded now
11:34 AM * Tom_L suggestes roy try jt's version
11:35 AM JT-Cave: and your' using the wrong pins on the 7i96
11:36 AM roycroft: i'm feeling my back getting sore again
11:36 AM Tom_L: so dir+- and pul+- all need wires connected
11:36 AM roycroft: i think it's time to walk around again for a bit
11:36 AM JT-Cave: there's 4 control wires from the 7i96 to the tb6600
11:37 AM roycroft: yes
11:37 AM JT-Cave: I count 9 wires connected to your signal section...
11:38 AM roycroft: because of the jumpers
11:38 AM roycroft: i preserved the original wiring and transferred the signals to the 7i96
11:38 AM roycroft: but i've also tried without the jumpers
11:38 AM roycroft: give me a moment
11:38 AM JT-Cave: there are no jumpers needed
11:38 AM JT-Cave: connect it up like mine
11:40 AM JT-Cave: even the 7i96 is not wired correctly
11:40 AM Tom_L: is that differential wiring on the 7i96?
11:40 AM JT-Cave: yup
11:40 AM Tom_L: will it work single ended?
11:41 AM JT-Cave: and you only connect to 2,3,4,5 and the count is from the bottom
11:41 AM JT-Cave: possibly but no reason to connect single ended
11:42 AM JT-Cave: wow my photo is still loading here
11:43 AM * Tom_L plugs the ninnernet back in for jt
11:43 AM JT-Cave: oh it's finally down dl
11:43 AM Tom_L: what's the red sticker with the arrow for?
11:46 AM JT-Cave: https://youtu.be/1OtWNuLWfwc
11:46 AM JT-Cave: it marks the bad led, Peter dug it out of the bin so I could test mesact
11:48 AM Tom_L: oh
11:51 AM roycroft: it's alive!
11:51 AM JT-Cave: yippie
11:51 AM * roycroft watches the flag onthe motor move
11:51 AM roycroft: thanks
11:51 AM roycroft: i think i was overcomplicating things
11:51 AM roycroft: now i'll connect the stepper on the machine and see if that works
11:53 AM rdtsc-w: JT has the world's first 100-gigabit camera, and mistakenly uploaded a .RAW file
11:55 AM roycroft: the x axis moves!
11:56 AM roycroft: and differential mode is certainly the best way to do this
11:56 AM roycroft: i tried this wiring before, but i had also connected power to the ena pins
11:56 AM roycroft: that was probably what was wrong
11:58 AM roycroft: i also find my box last night with cnc controller components - din rails, power distribution blocks, etc
11:58 AM roycroft: so i can make a little controller cabinet now
11:58 AM roycroft: and i think pcw told me that the 7i96s can directly control a dc spindle
11:58 AM roycroft: so perhaps i should get one of those
11:59 AM roycroft: do you still have any din rail brackets for the 7i96, jt?
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Yay!
12:02 PM rdtsc-w: could 3D print one in a pinch
12:02 PM roycroft: yeah, i can make them
12:03 PM roycroft: but jt already did, and if he still has some i'd rather just buy them from him
12:05 PM xxcoder: roy way to go!
12:06 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm happy that i'm over that hurdle
12:06 PM roycroft: it's all downill from here, until perhaps i have to deal with the spindle control
12:07 PM roycroft: i can pull out the cnc parts box now and start designing the controller
12:07 PM xxcoder: shouldnt be too complex
12:07 PM roycroft: i'm thinking i'll make a wooden enclosure for the components with the same footprint as the machine, and mount the machine on top of it
12:09 PM roycroft: looks like jt is out of stock on the brackets, unless he's not updated his website recently
12:09 PM roycroft: oh well, i can make something
12:18 PM BorgPipe: https://github.com/netpipe/yt-playlists
12:20 PM JT-Shop: I have plenty of everything for the 3.7 din rail mounts except the aluminum bar
12:20 PM roycroft: are you planning on making more soon anyway?
12:20 PM * JT-Shop goes to cover up the raw skin with a bandage
12:21 PM roycroft: that reminds me
12:21 PM roycroft: the billing for my head got posted to the insurance portal
12:21 PM roycroft: the doctor's fee was billed at $480, and the staples at $625
12:21 PM roycroft: the staples that i did not need and told them i did not want
12:22 PM roycroft: my copay is nothing, but that's a lot of money for 2 minutes' pain infliction
12:23 PM roycroft: i should tell the insurance company it was done over my objection, but i'm afraid if i did that they would deny the claim and the doctor would try to go after me directly
12:24 PM roycroft: jt-shop: if you're going to make more 3.7in din rails eventually i can just use the ones i have for the 7i96s, and replace them whenever you have more
12:24 PM roycroft: i'm not going to build the bigger router for a while
12:24 PM roycroft: probably not until after i build the new roof on my shop
12:25 PM BorgPipe: http://netpipe.ca/yt-music
12:29 PM JT-Shop: seems like I ordered 1/2" x 1/2" 6061 instead of 1/2" x 1/8" 6061 for the 3.7 din rail mounts
12:29 PM * JT-Shop rests a bit before taking a nap
12:30 PM roycroft: sounds like you do plan on making more
12:30 PM roycroft: so i'll do what i just said - use the ones i have for the new board and order replacements when they are available
12:36 PM roycroft: jt - your website is broken
12:37 PM roycroft: when i go to change my address i can change the city, state, country,and zipcode, but there is no option to change the street address
12:38 PM JT-Shop: I assume you're logged in?
12:39 PM JT-Shop: I don't even see a way to log in...
12:40 PM JT-Shop: ah I see it now at checkout
12:40 PM roycroft: yes, i'm logged in
12:40 PM roycroft: and i was able to set the address at final checkout
12:41 PM roycroft: so it's all good now, but the website is still slightly broken
12:42 PM * roycroft thinks that a panel mount hdmi to mini-hdmi extension that is really short is going to be the hardest component to find
12:45 PM JT-Shop: do you want some of the green din rail mounts and standoffs?
12:46 PM roycroft: no, that's ok
12:46 PM roycroft: i'll wait until you make some more of the 3.7" mounts and get them then
12:46 PM JT-Shop: ok
12:46 PM roycroft: i can use what i have for now
12:46 PM roycroft: my rpi is din mount, so i thought i'd just keep that for the mesa card as well
12:47 PM JT-Shop: do you need any din rail?
12:47 PM roycroft: and i have a meanwell 5v power supply on the way for the rpi and fiel power
12:48 PM roycroft: i don't think so
12:48 PM roycroft: let me check that box i just found - i think there's some din rail in it
12:48 PM JT-Shop: I have a lot of din rail that I don't need anymore
12:50 PM roycroft: i have plenty
12:51 PM JT-Shop: ok
12:51 PM JT-Shop: nap time here
12:51 PM roycroft: but i you need to dump some you can stuff some in the box
12:51 PM roycroft: i might use it eventuall, but there are about 10 short pieces of din rail in my box already
12:55 PM xxcoder: I just cant wait to see it cutting a proper project lol
12:58 PM rdtsc-w: https://www.amazon.com/hdmi-mini/s?k=hdmi+to+mini+hdmi
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> hey m quick question, i have a router with 2 y motors. i tried setting this up in the configuration but only one motor spins. the motors and everythin is connected properly i tries swapping them aroound. is there an extra setting where I have to adjust?
01:14 PM roycroft: that will be a bit, xxcoder
01:14 PM xxcoder: yeah
01:14 PM roycroft: but i'm a big step closer now
01:15 PM roycroft: fabricating the controller enclosure is going to be interesting, since my mill-drill is still in storage
01:15 PM xxcoder: on that router with 2 y motors, did you uyse joints and set those 2 to y?
01:15 PM roycroft: i'm going to have to do the metal work old school, with a jeweler's saw and drill press and files
01:15 PM roycroft: i've not built that router yet
01:15 PM roycroft: but yes, the plan is to use a joint with two motors
01:16 PM xxcoder: that 2 y motors is someone elses, x_ma_ryu
01:16 PM roycroft: the mini-router config is configured with a joint
01:16 PM xxcoder: sorry forgot to say name lol
01:16 PM roycroft: there will be three joints, each with a single axis
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <xxcoder@> ah discord display name is ma-ryu
01:17 PM roycroft: oh
01:18 PM roycroft: i missed that discussion while i was afk, i guess
01:18 PM xxcoder: no worries it was first reply. that person havent replied back yet
01:18 PM roycroft: i see the question now
01:19 PM roycroft: my bigger cnc router design has two motors for y
01:19 PM roycroft: hence the confusion on my part
01:19 PM xxcoder: yeah I'm usually more precise to direct questions to specific person too lol
01:20 PM roycroft: and my 5v power supply is here already
01:20 PM roycroft: it just got delivered
01:20 PM roycroft: i can put the bench ps back on the bench now
01:20 PM xxcoder: nice. whats 5v used for? rpi?
01:23 PM roycroft: rpi and field power to the 7i96
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> You had no issue to install linuxcnc on your rpi?
01:23 PM roycroft: it's working fine
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Rrrr
01:23 PM roycroft: it was a bit frustrating at first
01:24 PM roycroft: i could not get the current version to boot
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I just tried to install a normal distro, everything is working fine
01:24 PM roycroft: but i had an unpowered usb hub plugged into the rpi
01:24 PM roycroft: when i unplugged it it booted fine
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Thank switching to linuxcnc and impossible to boot
01:24 PM roycroft: the odd thing is, i had a debian 10 install on a different sd card
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> roycroft: Hum interesting
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> xxcoder: i est one to main Y axis and the other to tandem
01:24 PM roycroft: and that booted and ran fine even with the usb hub plugged in
01:25 PM roycroft: it wasn't a current issue, i'm sure
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> but only one works at the same time i can swap them aronund and then the other works. but tahts it
01:25 PM roycroft: i was using a bench ps, without current limiting enabled, and that ps was capable of 10a
01:25 PM roycroft: the rpi was drawing about 1.5a max
01:25 PM xxcoder: ryu hmm not too sure hopefully someone know. I have forgotten much on lcnc config.
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> haha im using the pn conf
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Yup I tried 3 psu, everything works fine with rpi os
01:26 PM roycroft: i have never configured a multi-axis joint, but it's commonly done, so i'm sure someone can help
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> But can't boot on LCNC
01:26 PM roycroft: are you sure you're using the right image for your rpi?
01:26 PM roycroft: iirc there's a 32bit and 64bit rpi image on linuxcnc.org
01:27 PM roycroft: and the linuxcnc distro is a .xz file
01:27 PM roycroft: you can't just dd it to a microsd flash card
01:27 PM roycroft: you have to use something like raspberry pi imager
01:28 PM rdtsc-w: ma_ryu, might have to edit the .hal file and make sure it has something like: under [KINS] has this line KINEMATICS = trivkins coordinates=XYYZ kinstype=BOTH
01:29 PM rdtsc-w: and there are four outputs defined for four motors
01:29 PM rdtsc-w: three axes, four joints
01:32 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I used rpi imager
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And I used this link https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> LinuxCNC 2.9.4 Raspberry Pi 4 OS based on Debian Bookworm Raspberry Pi 4 Uspace compatible with Mesa Ethernet and SPI interface boards.
01:34 PM rdtsc-w: only other thing vibram, is the firmware really old? stick in a RaspiOS and try firmware-update I think
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> rdtsc-w: i see. i am only used to using the visual interface haha. okay i will have a look at the hal file thank you
01:35 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> rdtsc-w: But I can't even boot
01:35 PM rdtsc-w: ma_ryu, the configuration tools are nice, but they might not create a gantry configuration perfectly. :)
01:36 PM roycroft: so my recent experience, using that same image on an rpi 4b, was that it would start the boot process
01:36 PM roycroft: i'd see 4 penguins at the top of the display, then 4 lines of boot messages that flashed on so fast i could not read them, then a dark screen
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> roycroft: It starts and then display the rainbow stuff
01:36 PM roycroft: when i unplugged the usb hub it booted fine
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I got the same but no usb hub connected...
01:37 PM roycroft: try ctl-alt-f1
01:37 PM roycroft: and see if you get a console
01:37 PM rdtsc-w: rainbow = video driver working, or trying to anyways
01:37 PM roycroft: it could be a video resolution issue with the gui
01:37 PM roycroft: trying, until it switches resolution
01:38 PM roycroft: if you have another display to test with, try that as a troubleshooting step
01:39 PM roycroft: there is a green led on the rpi
01:39 PM roycroft: does it continue to flash after your display goes dark?
01:39 PM roycroft: wait
01:39 PM roycroft: does the display go dark, or does it just hang?
01:39 PM rdtsc-w: and make absolutely sure the power supply is powerful enough - seen many an issue stemming from inadequate power
01:40 PM roycroft: "won't boot" is a somewhat vague report
01:40 PM roycroft: yes, that
01:40 PM roycroft: and i've read reports that 5v is not really enough - i have my bench ps set to 5.5v for the rpi
01:41 PM roycroft: and i'm going to set this meanwell ps to 5.5v before installing it
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> It boots with other Linux distribution
01:41 PM roycroft: assuming it adjusts that hight, and the ones i've used in the past do
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> So psu is enough I guess
01:41 PM roycroft: vibram: don't assume that
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I tried 3 psu and it boot with all of them with rpi os
01:42 PM roycroft: but you still haven't told us what happens
01:42 PM roycroft: you see the rainbow stuff, and then what?
01:42 PM xxcoder: if stock power draw is just barely below the max, then different distro may use bit more power and go over
01:42 PM roycroft: does the screen go dark?
01:42 PM roycroft: does the rpi's green led go off, or does it continue to flash?
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://youtu.be/jOS9vUKgG1k?feature=shared
01:42 PM roycroft: exactly, xxcoder
01:43 PM rdtsc-w: try unplugging video, power up, wait 15 seconds, connect video - just to see if anything different happens
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Act green led is flashing
01:44 PM roycroft: did you try ctl-alt-f1 yet?
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Yes but keyboard doesn't seems to work
01:44 PM roycroft: it looks like it could be a resolution switching issue
01:45 PM rdtsc-w: try a computer monitor
01:45 PM roycroft: if you can borrow a high resolution (at least 1080p) desktop display and test with that it might let you know
01:46 PM rdtsc-w: there isn't anything funky regarding LinuxCNC video modes, as far as I know
01:46 PM rdtsc-w: at least pertaining to these OS images
01:46 PM roycroft: the machine is going to start booting in low resolution, until it detects what it thinks the display can do, then it switches to a higher resolution
01:46 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I don't have this tiny hdmi connector ðŸ˜
01:46 PM roycroft: that's almsot always the rub
01:47 PM roycroft: i only have one micro-hdmi connector, and i keep misplacing it when i need it
01:47 PM rdtsc-w: likely have one at your nearby computer store, or amazon/ebay
01:47 PM roycroft: my "nearby computer store" is an hour away :)
01:47 PM roycroft: hopefully vibram's is closer
01:47 PM rdtsc-w: these are like shed keys... never need them until ya need them
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> i can see in the .hall file that there is info on y tandem axis, i do not know everything in the file but its there so it is set up as y2, still only one motor spins :+
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Nope but I will order on Amazon
01:48 PM roycroft: when i build the enclosure for the minirouter controller i intend to extend the micro-hdmi port on the rpi to a panel-mount standard size hdmi port
01:49 PM roycroft: i have like 20 hdmi cables laying around in various places, unused
01:50 PM roycroft: when i find the panel mount hdmi cable that i need i think i'll order some more micro-hdmi to hdmi adapters just so i have them handy
01:50 PM roycroft: another thing you can do, vibram, is configure networking to use a static ip and boot the rpi headless for now
01:51 PM roycroft: there are instructions online on how to do that for an rpi with linuxcnc, but i don't have the url handy
01:51 PM roycroft: basically you plug the microsd card into a computer, mount it and do the configuration work, then plug it back into the rpi
01:51 PM roycroft: or maybe you do it in the rpi imager - i forget
01:52 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Hum OK, because on one link found on the forum it's mentionnned to not change the config in rpi imager
01:52 PM roycroft: i think the rpi imager can be used to set the display resolution as well
01:52 PM roycroft: i have not done this
01:52 PM roycroft: i would posit, though, that it can't go much worse than what you're already doing
01:53 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, I needed 3 din rails and a box of 10 was cheaper to buy
01:53 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> roycroft: Ahah totally
01:53 PM roycroft: see if you can lock the resolution to 800x600, or whatever the native resolution is on your tiny screen
01:54 PM roycroft: i know how that goes, jt-shop
01:54 PM roycroft: oh, it's lunch time already
01:54 PM * roycroft decides to have some lunch
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Bon appétit 😉
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And thank you for your help
02:00 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I can't changw resolution on pi imager
02:02 PM roycroft: sorry
02:02 PM roycroft: as i said, i've never done it, although i know there are some configuration options there
02:02 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> No worries
02:03 PM roycroft: i suggest, though, that you try to set a static ip with the imager, and also enable sshd
02:03 PM roycroft: that way you could see if it does actually boot without the display working
02:03 PM roycroft: and if so, then you may be able to ssh in an fix the display problem
02:04 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Yup it will be my struggle tonight 🙂
02:05 PM rdtsc-w: ma_ryu, suggest making a post on https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions and sharing your .hal and .ini files
02:14 PM roycroft: so next question for my setup - a design question
02:15 PM roycroft: on the controller i was building for the bigger router, i had a latching contactor on the mains, so that on power fail event, when power was restored, the whole system would stay off until i turned it back on
02:15 PM roycroft: i also had a seperate switch for the motion controller power supply (the 48v one for the motors and spindle)
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> rdtsc-w: thank you.
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <x_ma_ryu_x@> vibram@: i guess imma struggle as well haha
02:16 PM roycroft: thinking about it now, though, it seems that the opposite setup would make more sense - the latching contactor only needs to be on the motion controller power supply, so that when power is restored the machine would restore its previous state, other than power to the motion control systems
02:16 PM roycroft: system
02:17 PM roycroft: does that make more sense to others?
02:17 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> so you're right this is a resolution issue
02:17 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> because i can connect in ssh
02:18 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> so no i need to figure out how to change resolution
02:18 PM JT-Shop: I don't see the need for a latching contactor, if power is lost and even if emc is auto starting it would start in an estop state
02:18 PM roycroft: i see no problem with the rpi and 7i96 coming back on after a power event
02:18 PM roycroft: true, jt-shop
02:18 PM roycroft: but belt and suspenders :)
02:18 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:18 PM roycroft: i guess i'm overly cautious after building my brew system controller
02:19 PM roycroft: 50a of 250v power in a box that's right next to a large volume of hot wet stuff
02:19 PM roycroft: what could possibly go wrong there?
02:20 PM roycroft: and kudos to your fulfillment center
02:20 PM JT-Shop: ruin a batch?
02:20 PM roycroft: they shipped my board very quickly
02:20 PM roycroft: pat yourself on the back :)
02:21 PM JT-Shop: well I've not dropped it off yet...
02:21 PM roycroft: i'm in no rush
02:21 PM JT-Shop: I am the fulfillment center :)
02:21 PM roycroft: yes, that's why i told you to pat yourself on the back
02:21 PM JT-Shop: pickup for today is already gone, next pickup is 10am tomorrow
02:21 PM roycroft: no worries
02:22 PM roycroft: i haven't even started the design of the cabinet yet
02:22 PM roycroft: nor have i ordered any of the panel mount components that i'll need
02:22 PM * JT-Shop heads to town to wash the mud and bugs off of the C8 and ship a package
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have a panel for your electrical box..
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HZrFpwJkRLaEiu149
02:35 PM roycroft: nice, skunkworks8841
02:36 PM roycroft: that would be perfect for the mini-router
02:36 PM roycroft: it would be like the picture i saw last night from the guiness book of world records
02:37 PM roycroft: the world's tiniest dog, a chihuahua, that fits inside a teacup, with the world's biggest dog, a great dane that stands over 1m high
02:37 PM roycroft: they looked really cute playing together
02:38 PM roycroft: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/30/us/video/tallest-smallest-dogs-together-world-record-ldn-digvid
02:40 PM xxcoder: aww cute lol
02:41 PM xxcoder: reminded me of this https://youtu.be/BN3azYEL7Ek
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have done it both ways - but my perfered way is a 'safety' relay that powers the drives and spindle which is directly controlled by estop and limits (and whatever else is saftey related..) This loop is only activated by pulling out the estop button on linuxcnc.
02:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I talk about it here
02:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSojs1pUSlg
02:58 PM roycroft: thanks
02:59 PM roycroft: my immediate take-way is that nobody thinks there's any risk in letting the rpi and mesa board power back up after a power outge
02:59 PM roycroft: so there's no need for a latching contactor there
03:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right - mesa is in a known state at power up - unlike the printer port.
03:03 PM xxcoder: big cnc machines, we had to hit all cnc machines e-stop after blackout
03:03 PM xxcoder: to avoid unknown state
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck
03:16 PM roycroft: i think it prudent to switch the motion control power supply separately, but perhaps it does not need a latching circuit - a simple switch would suffice
03:30 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/54545-pi-4-with-pi-touch-display
03:30 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> here was my solution from the beginning
03:32 PM roycroft: looks like an easy fix
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> yup
03:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> 5h to find it btw 😄
03:34 PM roycroft: hopefuly we were of some use in guiding you towards knowing what to look for
03:35 PM roycroft: and hopefully you'll be making chips/sawdust/engravings/cuts soon
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> yes without you i would already gave up for sure
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> thanks again
03:36 PM roycroft: and hopefuly i'll neve rhave to use your machine, because that dispaly is too small for my old eyes to see :)
03:39 PM rdtsc-w: was thinking ahead and spec'd mine as 15.1 inch :)
03:39 PM roycroft: i'm using a 24" display for the minirouter at the moment
03:39 PM roycroft: the display is almost bigger than the machine
03:39 PM roycroft: it's what i had laying around
03:39 PM xxcoder: lol yeah. isnt it tiny, the router lol
03:40 PM roycroft: it's the perfect size for a lot of tings
03:40 PM roycroft: things
03:40 PM roycroft: and i would not want anything bigger in my studio
03:40 PM roycroft: but i do want a bigger one in the shop
03:42 PM {HD}_ is now known as {HD}
03:42 PM roycroft: looks like the multi-motor y person has posted to the forum, as advised
03:43 PM rdtsc-w: had one of those 4060 GRBL "cnc" toys... removed the tiny motor and put a 10W laser on it; made a nice, but slow, wood burner/engraver... used it to make 4in scrabble pieces out of recycled pallet
03:43 PM xxcoder: yeah thats whay roy has now. those alum frame cnc routers
03:44 PM roycroft: yes
03:44 PM xxcoder: 3040 is specific size
03:44 PM roycroft: except i'm going to control it with linuxcnc, so the controller will be worth way more money than the machine
03:44 PM rdtsc-w: worked surprisingly well, just GRBL is well, not linuxcnc :)
03:44 PM xxcoder: indeed lol. it cost more back then but cheaper nowdays
03:45 PM roycroft: well it's going up 145% in price on friday
03:45 PM roycroft: i never even tried the controller card it came with
03:45 PM xxcoder: the BOB? it isnt much of one
03:45 PM roycroft: so i never used grbl on it
03:46 PM xxcoder: it never had grbl or anything
03:46 PM roycroft: whatever that was
03:46 PM roycroft: i never intended to use that
03:46 PM xxcoder: just breakout board. hence the name BOB :)
03:46 PM roycroft: when i got it i intended to use linuxcnc from day one
03:47 PM xxcoder: it just breaks out the parallel port pins, along with 0-10v spindle control
03:47 PM roycroft: before i got it even
03:47 PM roycroft: yeah, i know what a bob is
03:47 PM roycroft: i just paid no attention to the board
03:47 PM roycroft: it's small and has chinese writing on it
03:47 PM xxcoder: lol yeah. its pretty good for very basics
03:47 PM rdtsc-w: worth a whole lot more after Friday :)
03:47 PM roycroft: and it was a place to keep all the wires gathered up in the same place until i rewired it
03:47 PM xxcoder: used lcnc with it
03:48 PM roycroft: anyway, i'll see how it works out
03:49 PM roycroft: i have bigger stepper motors that i can bolt on if i feel that is necessary
03:49 PM roycroft: but i want to see how it works as is before doing any upgrades
03:49 PM xxcoder: good idea yeah
03:49 PM roycroft: there's a hall sensor somewhere in one of the boxes, i think
03:50 PM xxcoder: the teal one? yeah its for spindle
03:50 PM xxcoder: it should be fast enough for it
03:50 PM roycroft: so i should be able to get spindle speed control/readout pretty easily, especially when the new board arrives next week
03:50 PM xxcoder: if you find allthread type hall sensor, that wasnt fast enough
03:50 PM rdtsc-w: would prolly work great for cutting PCB traces
03:51 PM roycroft: if it's flat enough, or can be made flat enough
03:51 PM xxcoder: once mill is trued up, can always just mill a wood surface to be flat
03:51 PM roycroft: i plan on mostly doing engraving work on it
03:51 PM xxcoder: that was my orginal plan also
03:52 PM roycroft: but i should be able to make parts on it, even steel parts, although it would be almost painfully slow
03:53 PM roycroft: but in a non-production environment, as long as it does not need to be attended, painfully slow is acceptable
03:53 PM xxcoder: yeah
03:54 PM roycroft: having said that since i don't have my mill/drill available i'll have to do the control panel cutouts/holes old school, i can also wire up the minirouter and use it to make its own controller panel cutouts
03:54 PM xxcoder: I had ran it for few hours, making bas reliefs. it was fun lol
03:54 PM roycroft: might be a good early job for it
05:47 PM _unreal_: anything exciting going on?
05:51 PM Tom_L: always
05:53 PM roycroft: my minirouter is alive!
05:53 PM * roycroft thinks that is exciting
05:53 PM JT-Shop: awesome
05:54 PM roycroft: only as alive as it was this morning - i haven't wired up the other axes nor the spindle
05:54 PM _unreal_: mini router?
05:54 PM roycroft: but still, it's alive
05:54 PM _unreal_: define minirouter?
05:54 PM roycroft: i have a small cnc router that was given me that had a bob and unknown chinese spindle controller
05:54 PM roycroft: i'm making it work with linuxcnc
05:54 PM roycroft: and just got an axis working today
05:55 PM _unreal_: what controller setup? or are you redoing the controller setup?
05:55 PM _unreal_: original controller
05:57 PM xxcoder: orginal was BOB with 3 tb6600s
05:57 PM xxcoder: controlled directly by pc with linuxcnc
05:58 PM roycroft: 300x400 router with a tiny spindle
05:58 PM roycroft: and i'm using a rpi4 for linuxcnc connected to a 7i96, soon a 7i96s
05:59 PM _unreal_: so it was par port driven before
05:59 PM roycroft: yes
05:59 PM roycroft: i'll use it for engraving and making small parts
05:59 PM roycroft: possibly making pcbs
06:00 PM _unreal_: not bad 12"x16" work area
06:00 PM _unreal_: moving gantry?
06:00 PM _unreal_: semi?
06:00 PM roycroft: moving gantry
06:00 PM _unreal_: oooooooo..
06:00 PM roycroft: although it's not moved yet
06:00 PM roycroft: the x axis is the one i got working today
06:01 PM roycroft: i'll do y and z later
06:01 PM roycroft: which will not take long, now that i know how to make it work
06:01 PM _unreal_: I am not a fan of anything but full moving gantry's unless they are something like a metal end mill requireing the extreme stiffness
06:01 PM roycroft: but the 7i96s is on its way already, so i'l probably set the project aside until that arrives, and work on designing the controller enclosure
06:02 PM roycroft: a moving gantry machine conserves space
06:02 PM _unreal_: a mill of that size I would certantly look at upping the spindle if able
06:02 PM roycroft: i'm looking at seeing how it performs as is before doing any upgrades, other than on the controller side
06:03 PM _unreal_: when ever the @#R@#$^!@#$!@#% probate money is relased and I can buy a house if not finding a house first. one of my purchases I want to make is a high power laser for dealing with stainless
06:03 PM roycroft: you can use a blue laser for ss
06:03 PM _unreal_: how about steppers. direct drive,
06:03 PM _unreal_: blue laser?
06:03 PM _unreal_: on visable yes ish
06:03 PM roycroft: blue led, like the xtool ones
06:04 PM _unreal_: you have to be in the 40 watt+ range really
06:04 PM roycroft: the machine has smll steppers
06:04 PM roycroft: i got the machine from xxcoder, and he says the motors are a bit gimpy
06:04 PM roycroft: but again, i want to see how it performs before doing upgrades
06:04 PM _unreal_: I want to get one of the small fiber lasers
06:04 PM roycroft: i have some bigger motors in stock
06:04 PM roycroft: but they are for another project
06:04 PM xxcoder: yeah. well it might be still plenty for wood and engrave
06:05 PM roycroft: yes
06:05 PM roycroft: and if i need to make steel parts, it will also probably be fine, but very slow
06:05 PM _unreal_: speeds and feeds :)
06:05 PM xxcoder: bas reliefs and I did some basic stuff it worked fine, slowly.
06:05 PM xxcoder: nylon one was semi-fail, as I couldnt do any cooling
06:05 PM _unreal_: roycroft, depends on SPINDLE rpm. got to be slow
06:05 PM roycroft: but as i've said, if it's not a production machine, and does not need to be attended constantly, really slow is fine
06:06 PM roycroft: _unreal_ or tiny cutters
06:06 PM xxcoder: he have parts to get spindle to work in PID style
06:06 PM _unreal_: I love my new machine I built. killing me its in storage right now :(
06:06 PM xxcoder: so it can torque up
06:07 PM _unreal_: I still need to get photos of the marble coasters I built for someone. I amazingly have NO photos of it. I dont know who I didnt take pictures
06:07 PM _unreal_: they came out amazing.
06:07 PM _unreal_: :/
06:07 PM roycroft: anyway, i'm about to convert from linuxcnc lurker to linuxcnc user, after how long? 12 years or so? of hanging out here
06:07 PM _unreal_: lurker?
06:07 PM xxcoder: im probably will be lurker for years lol
06:07 PM roycroft: lurker meaning i've never used linuxcnc except in simulation mode until now
06:07 PM _unreal_: I believe I want to make my endmill lcnc
06:08 PM _unreal_: obut that is a manual cuurrently AND IN STORAGE
06:08 PM xxcoder: ah yes. im hmm post-user? lol
06:08 PM roycroft: today was the first time i ever used it to do any motion control on a real machine
06:08 PM roycroft: a few years ago i did a setup and got motors on the bench with tape flags spinning around, but that doesn't really count
06:08 PM xxcoder: cool arent it? I remember my first time too lol.
06:08 PM roycroft: today i made an axis move with linuxcnc
06:08 PM xxcoder: funny on its on same machine.
06:08 PM roycroft: more like a relief, given the hassles i had getting it going
06:08 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, helped me setup one of my first setups
06:09 PM roycroft: which in the end were all about that enable signal
06:09 PM roycroft: tom_l was hinting at that yesterday
06:09 PM _unreal_: took a bit and some custom scripts
06:09 PM xxcoder: been long while ago. I cant remember crap now
06:09 PM roycroft: i had already done the differential wiring that jt showed me, but it still wasn't working because i had the enable pins powered on the tb6600
06:09 PM _unreal_: thats what happens when you WIPE, cant remember shit ;)
06:09 PM roycroft: time for shaper sessions
06:10 PM xxcoder: have fun
06:10 PM roycroft: given that i'm still recovering from spine surgery and hitting my head on a cement driveway really hard, i'm doing ok, i think
06:10 PM _unreal_: roy I'd offer some BLDC's but everything is in storage
06:10 PM roycroft: but it sstill takes me a while to pick up on things these days
06:10 PM _unreal_: I will be convering my "small machine shop" endmill to bldc drive
06:11 PM _unreal_: I picked up 3 of the "odrive" knockoffs from aliexpress few months ago
06:11 PM xxcoder: motor controller?
06:11 PM _unreal_: ya
06:14 PM _unreal_: wow glad I got them when I did,
06:14 PM _unreal_: but these MAXKGO ODESC 4.2 Brushless Motor 24V 70A BLDC Moto
06:14 PM _unreal_: err
06:14 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Brushless-Controller-Configuration-Compatible-Odrivetool/dp/B0C9Q5D8T2
06:14 PM _unreal_: got those from aliexpress for $20 each got 3 of them
06:14 PM roycroft: starting tomorrow even $1 parts coming from china will have a 145% tariff if it's not already onshore and cleared customs
06:15 PM _unreal_: ya there is a lot of stuff I wanted to order but, being in a hotel still is killing me
06:15 PM _unreal_: :9
06:15 PM _unreal_: :(
06:15 PM * JT-Shop has not bought anything from china for many years
06:15 PM roycroft: and ups/fedex/usps will collect that as they deliver
06:16 PM _unreal_: sigh. I'm on a laptop, I miss my main computer :(
06:16 PM _unreal_: in storage as well :(
06:16 PM roycroft: i'm rather torn right now
06:16 PM _unreal_: ?
06:16 PM roycroft: there's a kapex miter saw on the festool recon site right now
06:17 PM roycroft: and there's a hk framing saw coming up after it
06:17 PM roycroft: i could use either for my shop remodel this summer, but the kapex would be good for the longer term
06:17 PM _unreal_: roycroft, the tools I got recently over the past year are amazing
06:17 PM roycroft: it's going for $1400, while the framing saw is $380
06:17 PM roycroft: i don't have a lot of spare cash right now, but the kapex makes more sense
06:18 PM _unreal_: I got about...... $20k in big tools about around $7k
06:18 PM roycroft: i should pull the trigger, but it's turning out to be really hard to do
06:18 PM roycroft: as well, there's really not room in my shop for a miter saw station - i would have to rig something up and take it down whenever i used it
06:19 PM roycroft: and the portable stand for it is another $700
06:19 PM _unreal_: I got a huge delta disk belt sander worth about 4k, a $6k delta drillpress,
06:19 PM roycroft: so that's not going to happen
06:19 PM _unreal_: metal... endmill lathe, and lots and LOTS AND LOTS of add ons. all from a yardsale from a guy who use to live down the road from me. he passed away.
06:20 PM _unreal_: and a large grizlly bandsaw
06:20 PM _unreal_: worth around $1300
06:20 PM _unreal_: welders...
06:20 PM _unreal_: my got just everything
06:21 PM _unreal_: got=god
06:27 PM _unreal_: O,o so I just asked my daughter (16yo) what she wants for dinner. She said she doesnt know... she has to much data flowing right now studding for end of year tests.
06:27 PM _unreal_: heehehhehe
06:40 PM BorgPipe is now known as NetPipe
08:31 PM roycroft: aah, my futon frame is gone and the floor vacuumed, so i'm ready for the recliner tomorrow
08:32 PM roycroft: and my back is certainly ready for it, especially after all the work removing the old futon sofa
08:35 PM xxcoder: poor kittens they lost their hideaway
09:05 PM roycroft: it's even worse
09:05 PM roycroft: because after their hiding place went away i got out the vacuum cleaner
09:05 PM roycroft: which they think is their nemesis
09:38 PM roycroft: matt cremona finally released another video about his kitchen remodel
09:38 PM roycroft: and it may be the last in the series