#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 26 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:52 AM Deejay: moin
05:25 AM Tom_L: morning
05:36 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
05:36 AM Deejay: hey
06:25 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:00 AM JT-Mobile: morning
08:37 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> morning
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3FiVyAirq6LHXRJaA
10:08 AM Tom_L: todays cleanup project?
10:08 AM Tom_L: orgainize the building...
10:09 AM roycroft: hello
10:09 AM Tom_L: beat the rain on mowing
10:09 AM Tom_L: good morning
10:10 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> more organizing? does that involve cleaning? I have to figure out what I am keeping
10:10 AM Tom_L: skunkworks, is this an 'eye spy' pic?
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - Do you see anything? it all blends together..
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Found a huge pile of 2X6's correctly cut for shelving.. I thought there was some around here
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> real oak 2X6 -
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> 😲
10:20 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Think I am going to put the granite table in the shelving..
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so - there will be a shelf next to it.
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> then it is out of the way
10:27 AM roycroft: what did your father do with all that stuff besides collect it?
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> you would be suprised how much stuff actually gets used when you do everything yourself
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> And I mean everything
10:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but - yes - there is certainly stuff that was just here because he could not bring himself to get rid of it
10:40 AM Tom_L: you never know when you might need it
10:45 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right!? but I have a coworker that takes that to the extreme.. He has so much stuff in his house that he has just narrow walkways..
10:45 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he can't throw anything away...
10:45 AM Tom_L: big difference between that and a hoarder
10:52 AM roycroft: i'd have a hard time developing a work flow with a shop that is so chaotic
10:53 AM roycroft: i totally get being able to do everything in house and needing lots of machinery/tooling to do that
10:54 AM Tom_L: 10 min after finishing the yard it starts to rain... glad i didn't wait
10:54 AM roycroft: shop organization has always been a challenge for me, as well
10:54 AM roycroft: but primarily due to lack of real estate
10:54 AM Tom_L: you seem like the type
10:54 AM roycroft: that shop does not seem to be suffering from that lack
10:55 AM Tom_L: i like organization but it doesn't always happen
10:55 AM Tom_L: i'm very limited on space so i make do
10:55 AM roycroft: yeah, it's also a constant struggle between getting work done and tidying up
10:56 AM roycroft: spending all of one's time organizing stuff can be as counterproductive as spending all of one's time collecting stuf and not organizing it
10:56 AM Tom_L: i was very happy yesterday after taking my old lathe apart and cleaning/adjusting and replacing a worn part it now works as good as it ever did
10:57 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rifraf/new_top2.jpg
10:58 AM Tom_L: turned out better than the one my kid did at the vo'tech
10:59 AM Tom_L: the lathe still shows horrible signs of wear but i can live with it for what i do
11:00 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Axis_Pulley.jpg
11:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> what is that? atlas/craftsman?
11:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> looks like the one dad had when I was a kid..
11:33 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> boy - you sure can make a mess trying to organize
12:00 PM xxcoder: skunks your garage almost looks like weseley one lol. similiar garage type.
12:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> weseley? like harry potter?
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - that worked out great
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxvYpv3u5rTRyBya6
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/K7fqfRZepmMd4Pjf8
12:14 PM xxcoder: jright name is wesley treat
12:16 PM xxcoder: yeah looked again, yours seems bigger, but his is more isulated
12:17 PM xxcoder: he had built special isulating cover for garage door later on, so its even more isulated
12:18 PM roycroft: i have a new cunning plan
12:19 PM roycroft: one of the things that i've struggled with when designing my cnc router was how to make features on the end of long parts
12:19 PM roycroft: think a tenon on the end of a table leg or apron board
12:19 PM roycroft: i was trying to devise a way to build a vertical table onto the main machine table so i could mount the long parts
12:20 PM roycroft: but my new idea is to build the router with a head that can be mounted both vertically and horizontally
12:20 PM roycroft: which, if i can figure out a good way to do, would be much better than the origial idea, as i could use it for parts of arbitrary length
12:21 PM roycroft: as long as the part fits in my shop or can stick out a door or window
12:21 PM roycroft: i think from linuxcnc point of view this would be pretty simple - i would just swap the y and z axes when routing horizontally
12:22 PM roycroft: the trick would be the physical mounting of the spindle
12:22 PM roycroft: and maybe i'd need two spindle assemblies
12:23 PM roycroft: does anyone see a huge problem with the idea that would make it difficult to execute?
12:24 PM roycroft: i would need a bed gap, but that could be done with an ancillary table on top of the main one
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that certainly would work. the K&T is that way for long stuff - it comes in handy.
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (horizontal mill)
12:25 PM roycroft: yeah, lots of milling machines have a mechanism for horizontal milling
12:25 PM roycroft: there are horizontal heads for bridgeports
12:26 PM xxcoder: considering you want router to be stowable, maybe make it able to move down below the table but only at one end?
12:26 PM xxcoder: so you could just reorent the spindle and pop off the table cover at that end so its now edge cnc
12:27 PM roycroft: i'm actually at this point leaning towards figuring out how to move my existing router table to my table saw, and the cnc router being dedicated to that
12:27 PM xxcoder: and when its being not used, you could just move it to that end and lower spindle below table and cover it
12:28 PM roycroft: but if i do continue with the combo idea, as i originally planned, perhaps making it so that the cnc router can mount in two positions would work - one for vertical routing, and another offset from the end of the table for horizontal work
12:28 PM roycroft: i'll have to think about that
12:29 PM xxcoder: bonus being spindle wont get too much dust when stowed away, though you probably want more cover for rails and screw.
12:30 PM roycroft: i got some spam from the pantorouter company this morning, which they send me regularly, and i was briefly thinking about how i could find the room for one, but then the idea occured to me that a cnc pantorouoter would be better than the manual one (and more useful for me, as i would need it for complex features as well as simple ones)
12:30 PM roycroft: and then that i could incorporate that functionality into the main cnc router by adding a horiontal spindle
12:31 PM * roycroft thinks this is an idea worth exploring further
01:30 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, yes and i've had it about that long too
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Tom_L: https://photos.app.goo.gl/chu9ECcjjxzmodcW6
01:50 PM Tom_L: cool
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dad was pretty awesome
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qVKAXBHGZmdBvriu8
03:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/kPGk8cCan7fJkQxs9
03:10 PM Tom_L: did he make those?
03:10 PM Tom_L: or some type of modular shelving
03:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he made those
03:22 PM Tom_L: xxcoder, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RaHk6ckrEI&t=600s
03:22 PM xxcoder: ya saw that video
03:22 PM xxcoder: pretty cool isnt it
03:22 PM Tom_L: kinda figured you had
04:04 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> > > when work keeps giving you robots but you dont want anymore
04:04 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> cakeslob problems
04:05 PM xxcoder: lol what kind?
04:05 PM xxcoder: like robot arm type or cnc machines etc
04:05 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> this time a stabuli scara
04:06 PM xxcoder: interesting looking one lol
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/970073761770512384/1365793816547688468/20180325_202813.jpg?ex=680e9a1d&is=680d489d&hm=bb4e8593f196423f53420f2b9e9aba949efbc9154e4cdcacc10266f8749248c5&=&format=webp&width=1268&height=713
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> ugh yeah it is...
04:07 PM xxcoder: whats your plans for it?
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> well my moms having a hockey party today for some reason so i might atleast take it out of the trunk
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> man idk i didnt even want it
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> at the base level i want it for parts, but i dont want it to go in garbage
04:08 PM xxcoder: I see massive motor. spindle?
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> no just a stupic scara
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://cdn.werktuigen.com/data/listing/img/vga/ms/91/31/18382921-01.jpg?v=1738161830
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> someone else pic
04:09 PM xxcoder: I meant reuse it as one :D
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> oh
04:10 PM xxcoder: ahh body of machine not motor
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the one think i like is the motors arent even that big
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> yeah
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> something was wrong with it so ive never seen it move in the 10+ years at the plant
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> but its fucking 3p[hase, so none of the other kids at work could use it anyways
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> for this lil unit ill see whatg i can do about bypassing the 3ophase
04:11 PM xxcoder: lol well hope you find an use
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> probably do a lcnc thing because i dont think the motors are bs like a fanuc
04:12 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> ugh i dont want this damn wierd lookign eurotrash arm. i want one of those old mitsubishi robots they will throw out soon-ish
04:12 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> if the servo driver board is fine, it will become a linuxcnc thing
04:13 PM xxcoder: can always turn that bot into clock one. I remember one that used cnc router to do similiar, by arranging balls in grid
04:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> ha, scara robot clock
04:15 PM xxcoder: yeah lol
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the more i look at it the more pissed off i get. looks wierd like thos eeuropean guns from austria
04:16 PM xxcoder: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/wooden-clocks/303132-digital-cnc-clock-steel-balls.html
04:16 PM xxcoder: 9 years ago lol
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i could almost make this a single arm clock
04:17 PM xxcoder: check out that site video, you'll understand what I meant
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> yeah i saw, looks easy enough
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> but i cold do step further and make it a single arm clock
04:17 PM xxcoder: cool :)
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> dammit 10 years ago i would have had a 5 day boner over this robot, now im just angry
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> ill have to find a steel plate and make a base
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> then fild iold manuals
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> find old manuals
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> and it will still look like a stupid euro robot
04:19 PM xxcoder: :)
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i bet olli wants it. he can come get it and bring it back to the motherland
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i was trying to find pics of an old mitsubishi scara robot and got distracted
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uFL9RZmQzyM/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLAWzyiyQY5SFR0VYRuCMBoPNSqZWA
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the flag in the background on the empty wall makes its look like some kinda terriost kidnapping video
04:22 PM xxcoder: "demends shall be met, or robot gets it, oh and that man too"
04:23 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> theres a wierd amount of videos that look like that pic i sent
04:23 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> im seeing at least 3 more, just a guy sitting beside a scara against an empty wall of a house
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> that, and like 2000 sintered steel bushings with a 10mm id and 13mm OD
04:27 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i cant let them throw them out, and i dont wanna sell them
04:29 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> ugh the motor on my rotary 3phase converter is bigger than the whole controller, and i think it draws more running the motor to convert the 3phase then this whole robot will even use
06:03 PM _unreal: rotary 3phase converter?
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> yeah
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/970073761770512384/1365835862356791306/stab_pwsupplu.jpg?ex=680ec145&is=680d6fc5&hm=f8c4c6b9595127cd81d13805136ded0eae91ec01ab0ca783238f15690acc3be1&=&format=webp&width=737&height=817
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i think this means i can change power input?
06:55 PM rdtsc: looks that way... such a xfmr must've cost quite a bit to make
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> thats pretty cool of them, why engrave the nameplate thought telling me its 3ph
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - anyone need a panel from a large electrical box?
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/apSwNDNK4QySpY6H6
07:21 PM xxcoder: https://hackaday.com/2025/04/26/ykks-self-propelled-zipper-less-crazy-than-it-seems/
07:21 PM xxcoder: interesting. pointless for normal zippers, but for big ones? yeah
07:51 PM xxcoder: whew. carrots and finger pototoes, baked for 40 min with olive oil, garlic japeleno salt, possesium salt was real yummy lol
08:27 PM roycroft: grr
08:28 PM roycroft: so now wikipedia is a target of the american ss
08:28 PM roycroft: it's being threatened with revocation of its tax-exempt status
08:31 PM bjorkintosh: when the great chemists and mathematicians of antiquity were chiefly Muslim, along came a fucker named Al Ghazali who single handedly destroyed all future scientific progress with the rubbish he wrote called 'the incoherence of the philosophers'.
08:32 PM bjorkintosh: I think we're experiencing an Al Ghazali event here in the united states.
08:33 PM bjorkintosh: according to Al Ghazali, if the work in question was not strictly about Allah, then it was 'incoherent'.
08:34 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WQfcu1Jv_Pw
08:35 PM bjorkintosh: I'm deliberately being uncharitable here.
08:36 PM bjorkintosh: because the damage was extensive.
08:40 PM bjorkintosh: so pissed off because I just listened to a great Radio lab episode (https://radiolab.org/podcast/the-age-of-aquaticus) where science for the sake of science led eventually to a mighty leap years later. All that is now under threat.
08:40 PM bjorkintosh: And for what???
08:40 PM bjorkintosh: Grrr!@
09:04 PM roycroft: i think we'll survive the current regime
09:04 PM roycroft: i'll feel much more confident if we have a free and fair election in 2026
09:05 PM roycroft: anyway, i've been thinking more about my cunning plan, and i've decided it's worth my spending some time on it
09:05 PM roycroft: the spindle mounting mechanism is the key challenge, i think
09:06 PM xxcoder: did you see what I said earlier?
09:06 PM roycroft: and my first thoughts are that a dovetail mount is probably best
09:06 PM roycroft: the last i saw you say was about the bed gap
09:06 PM roycroft: i have been in town all day
09:07 PM xxcoder: ahh ok. lol
09:07 PM roycroft: today was the celebration of life of a close friend who passed about six weeks ago
09:07 PM xxcoder: well essentally at one end, spindle is able to go below table, if mounted hozionally
09:07 PM xxcoder: its a way to put it away when not used, and to machine end of something
09:07 PM roycroft: the thing is, i'd have to make the table longer if i did that
09:07 PM roycroft: and it would be awkward to use
09:08 PM roycroft: because i don't have a lot of room to move around the table
09:08 PM roycroft: i'd have to mount the part at the very rear of the table
09:08 PM xxcoder: not a whole lot longer, if it has cover for when its used as normal cnc router
09:08 PM roycroft: i'd rather mount it more in the middle, where i can easily reach
09:09 PM roycroft: i think i want to play with an idea of an ancillary table to sit on top of the primary one, to create the bed gap, and if that doesn't seem to work out i'll explore your idea
09:09 PM roycroft: but this is literally day one of thinking about this twist in the plans
09:09 PM xxcoder: thats other way to do, though I wonder where it'd be stowed as its used normally
09:09 PM roycroft: that's the rub
09:10 PM xxcoder: well it can certainly be in sections.
09:10 PM xxcoder: kinda like kitchen dining table
09:10 PM roycroft: how to build it so that i could mount and unmount the ancillary table quickly, easily, and repeatably
09:11 PM roycroft: first i have to figure out if i can realistically move the underside conventional router table spindle to my table saw, and dedicate the current router table space to a dedicated cnc router
09:11 PM roycroft: if i can do the horizontal/vertical thing that might well justify doing that
09:11 PM xxcoder: if cnc router table is little "low" you could put table with regular router on it too
09:12 PM xxcoder: and use some of it for horzional milling
09:12 PM roycroft: i.e. the advantages of the dedicated workstation would outweigh the disadvantage of moving the router table to the table saw
09:12 PM roycroft: but i also had the thought today that this could become a viable product, if i design it well enough and cleverly enough
09:12 PM xxcoder: yeah? good luck :)
09:13 PM roycroft: there are very few cnc routers that have horizontal and vertical spindles,. and they are all very high end, very expensive ones, from what i've found so far
09:13 PM roycroft: something in the sub $5k range might be very marketable
09:13 PM xxcoder: theres mills where its actually horzional be default, but you attach vertical part to it
09:14 PM roycroft: brb
09:14 PM xxcoder: I recall someone here confirming that theirs was such a case.
09:15 PM xxcoder: anyway I guess for router you would need a reliable way to turn rotation by 90 degree, and good coupling system
09:17 PM roycroft: i have some ideas for that
09:17 PM roycroft: that are not automated
09:18 PM roycroft: because i don't think that's at all necessary
09:18 PM xxcoder: that guys it wasnt the case also. guy had to unbolt head off and found the cat toolholder in it
09:18 PM xxcoder: apparently head is bolted on, and it locks in place
09:18 PM roycroft: but moving the spindle must be a quick, easy, and repeatable procedure
09:19 PM xxcoder: yeah and not backbreaking
09:19 PM roycroft: i'm not thinking this would be for a 10kw spindle or anything like that
09:20 PM xxcoder: yeah if I recall yours is mostly for wood and maybe light alum
09:20 PM roycroft: yes
09:20 PM roycroft: i'm talking about a router, not a milling machine
09:20 PM roycroft: totally different
09:20 PM xxcoder: yeah one I remember is milling machine, but nothing stopping from using same design type
09:20 PM xxcoder: for spindle vertical/horzional
09:21 PM roycroft: there are two main challenges:
09:21 PM xxcoder: well not exactly same, as you wouldnt need CAT type toolholder but yeah
09:21 PM roycroft: 1. designing the spindle mount so it can be dual-position
09:22 PM roycroft: 2. designing an extraction shrould that will either work with the spindle in either position or that can be quickly changed along with the spindle
09:22 PM roycroft: the thirs and fourth things should be pretty easy -
09:22 PM roycroft: 3. configure linuxcnc to use the spindle in either position (just swap y and z - should be absolutely trivial)
09:23 PM xxcoder: or set your CAM to work in either
09:23 PM Tom_L: better to swap the cam
09:23 PM roycroft: 4. create a bed gap or an elevated ancillary table so the spindle can reach the bottom of the part when in horizontal mode
09:23 PM roycroft: i think probably both, tom_l
09:24 PM roycroft: when you want to touch off on z, you need to know how z is oriented
09:24 PM roycroft: but that i see as a fairly minor thing to solve
09:25 PM roycroft: i'm almost entirely concerned with the spindle mount as the first step in a feasibility study
09:27 PM xxcoder: indeed
09:27 PM roycroft: btw, i think you're the one who spent a bunch of my not spare money today, tom_l
09:27 PM roycroft: i bought a recliner love seat with lumbar adjustment
09:27 PM Tom_L: wasn't me
09:27 PM roycroft: oh
09:28 PM roycroft: ok, i won't blame you then
09:28 PM roycroft: not will i thank you
09:28 PM roycroft: someone here suggested it the other day
09:28 PM xxcoder: certainly not me
09:28 PM roycroft: it was really comfy in the store
09:29 PM roycroft: come to think about it, it was one of the working hour channel members, i think, not a camper
09:32 PM Tom_L: <roguish> one of these https://shop.stressless.com/en/c/recliners
09:34 PM roycroft: aah
09:34 PM roycroft: so a working hour member indeed
09:34 PM roycroft: i'll blame him or thank him later
09:34 PM * JT-Mobile calls it a late night
09:34 PM roycroft: it is getting late back east
09:35 PM roycroft: i just took the salmon off the grill, and it's not dark here yet
09:40 PM xxcoder: had baked carrots and pototoes myself. with olive oil, garlic japleno salt, possesium salt
09:40 PM xxcoder: slow baked so it was really good
09:46 PM bjorkintosh: <roycroft> i think we'll survive the current regime <-- I sincerely hope so.
09:47 PM roycroft: the drive up from town was beautiful today
09:48 PM roycroft: the alders are all in leaf now, and their young leaves are light green, vs the dark green of the conifers behind them
09:51 PM roycroft: i should mount the go pro on my dashboard and record a speeded-up video of the drive some day when the weather is really nice
10:23 PM roycroft: interesting that quinn is doing her hammer forming with a vise instead of doing it on the lathe
10:23 PM xxcoder: wouldnt hammering though lathe axis bad?
10:23 PM roycroft: well on the lathe one would not hammer
10:23 PM roycroft: one would us a lever and bend it
10:23 PM xxcoder: ah yes roll foaming
10:23 PM roycroft: right
10:24 PM roycroft: maybe she thinks her lathe is too small for that?
10:24 PM xxcoder: forgot that. yeah not sure
10:24 PM roycroft: and now she's using the lathe anyway for trimming
10:25 PM xxcoder: artian make fun video today
10:25 PM xxcoder: he finally finishes that project
10:27 PM roycroft: interesting
10:27 PM roycroft: she's using way oil as lubricant for copper
10:28 PM roycroft: whodathunk that would work?
10:28 PM xxcoder: yep. apparently very thick oil is best
10:28 PM roycroft: i've always used wd-40 on non-ferrous metals
10:28 PM xxcoder: autocaptions say its whey oil which is eh so it was way oil eh
10:28 PM roycroft: and copper is just grabby and sticky
10:29 PM roycroft: i'll try way oil next time i machine copper
10:30 PM roycroft: maybe it makes sense
10:30 PM roycroft: sticky oil for a sticky metal
10:30 PM xxcoder: gag. maybe.
10:31 PM xxcoder: errr
10:31 PM xxcoder: HAH I meant
10:31 PM * roycroft was wondering
10:32 PM xxcoder: I bet. nothing worse than typing error that changes meaning entirely