#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 21 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:14 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
01:50 AM Deejay: moin
03:33 AM NetPipe: does linuxcnc have good crack ? i only ask because life seems to be a crack show. plumbers sell theirs more than most professions but cnc'r's might be the exception to the rule ?
03:34 AM NetPipe: if you dont sell crack what do you have amirite ?
03:34 AM NetPipe: hehe j/k
03:34 AM NetPipe: wheres the serial numbers lol
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04:43 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> never heard hectometer or decaliter, but hectoliter, hectar, hectopascal is quite common. in german "deka" is used synonymously with "dekagram"
04:46 AM Tom_L: morning
04:56 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Any advice for openloop stepper setup with mesa 7i76eu card? Tried with base period of 2ms and P=500 FF1=1 and FF2=0.002. Following error limits 0.2 and 1.0. I get following error on joint0. Not even slightest movement.
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05:36 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> Sbeach92: check acceleration settings, joint should be somewhat more thatn axis.
05:55 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
06:05 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Max velocity 700 and max accerlation 1500
06:05 AM lcnc-relay: Stepgen max velocity 1000 and accerlation 2000
06:06 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> I feel like steps are not generated at all 🤔
06:09 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> max accel at 1500 and 2000? my machine will only do 16...
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06:32 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> MAX_VELOCITY = 40.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: MAX_ACCELERATION = 500.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 2000.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> P = 250.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: I = 0.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: D = 0.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: BIAS = 0.0
06:32 AM lcnc-relay: ... long message truncated: https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/uOdTSptbnYlYCMVETFtzpKJT/DiJ61kTOzsQ (9 lines)
06:38 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> course... my machine is in inches.... now that i think about it...
06:47 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> MAX_VELOCITY is in units/sec so 40mm/sec == 2400.0 mm/min
06:48 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> 700 is very very height, no matter if mm or inch
07:00 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> are these steppers? normally you would want ff1 to be 1
07:05 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> MAX_VELOCITY = 3.333
07:05 AM lcnc-relay: MAX_ACCELERATION = 20
07:05 AM lcnc-relay: STEPGEN_MAX_VEL = 0
07:05 AM lcnc-relay: STEPGEN_MAX_ACC = 40
07:05 AM lcnc-relay: ... long message truncated: https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/CkTrlsNbxZxLyqrDXEmqNqzI/GdcX3OYekrE (13 lines)
07:06 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> usually the P is equal to your servo thread. (atleast with mesa hardware)
07:11 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (assuming your scaling is correct)
07:38 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> Sbeach92: how did you generate your config? pncconf?
07:42 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Had old config for 7i76u made with pncconfig and tried to update that.
07:42 AM lcnc-relay: Allso installed mesaconfig and tried to do from scrach with it
07:44 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Im starting to belive that I either have jumpers in wrong position, or some voltage is missing from card
08:16 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Seems that I have cr11 and cr 12 light... So some problems on wiring and config
08:37 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
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09:41 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> god damnit..
09:41 AM lcnc-relay: ive got an OMC T6 here going crazy on my carousel.
09:41 AM lcnc-relay: cant tune it whatsoever.
09:41 AM lcnc-relay: it spins like a helicopter when slightly touched 😄
09:51 AM Tom_L: very fast tool changer
09:52 AM Tom_L: encoder feedback on it?
09:52 AM Tom_L: maybe that's backwards
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Tom_L: yea its going directly into the servo drive.
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: and the servo drive also errors out with position deviation at some point
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> i mean. its basically 0 load and a massive flywheel 😄
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> ive limited my max rpm to 100 now so it doesnt take off...
09:55 AM Tom_L: no reduction on the servo to the carousel?
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> nope
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> directly connected. which should work just fine...
09:56 AM Tom_L: unhook the carousel until you can get control of the servo
09:57 AM Tom_L: or bench test the servo etc etc
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Tom_L: The issue is... It works when not connected
09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Just goes crazy when its mounted
09:58 AM Tom_L: pid loop?
09:59 AM Tom_L: maybe a grounding issue? noise...
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Tom_L: Made some progress.. looks like setting pr004 on it to 15000 helps 🤣
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Its not perfect
10:15 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> Its still adjusting and not rigid when stopped.
10:15 AM lcnc-relay: <t4kuy4@> But at least not taking off
10:48 AM roycroft: it's friday!
10:48 AM * roycroft has a four day weekend ahead after today
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Oh my picture was when linux cnc off
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11:57 AM lcnc-relay: <ntulinux2467@> Thanks rs for the source location!
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <ntulinux2467@> Now if I'm able to pull this off, would a qt6 migration for qtdragon be ok to be merged into mainline?
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <ntulinux2467@> Or do the maintainers/devs explicitly want qt5?
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <ntulinux2467@> just read the scrollback, saw someone said that it's complicated..
12:13 PM lcnc-relay: <ntulinux2467@> i'll take a whack at it one of these days and see how far i even get
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <Sbeach92> Wich is correct?
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: net x-index-enable => pid.x.index-enable
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: Or
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: net joint-0-index-enable <=> pid.x.index-enable
12:38 PM Tom_L: you need a net name then the signal source & destination
12:39 PM Tom_L: the index-enable is one of those bidirectional signals right?
12:41 PM Tom_L: something like net x-index-enable joint-0-index-enable <=> pid.x.index-enable
12:42 PM Tom_L: i've only used index on spindle but joint should be similar
12:42 PM Tom_L: net spindle-index-enable <=> hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.01.index-enable
12:42 PM Tom_L: net spindle-index-enable <=> spindle.0.index-enable
12:42 PM Tom_L: from mine
12:42 PM Tom_L: could be written on a single line but i broke it up using the net name
12:46 PM Tom_L: the '=>, <=, <=>' are purely for the user, linuxcnc knows what direction things are headed
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Hello
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I'm not far from finishing my retrofit and I'm in the test cut phase
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> But I struggle with origins, G54 and so on.
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Do you have a good YouTube tutorial to recommend?
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I do my touchoff
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> But after, even if I select P0 or P1 for G54, I always get an error message when I try to move my axis
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Exceeding limit x axis and so on
01:37 PM rdtsc: exceeding end-stop limits perhaps? post your .ini file to https://paste.debian.net and someone will spot the issue :)
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> This is not the end stop
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/43696-trying-to-run-g-code-but-it-exceeds-the-negative-limits-on-all-axis
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Same kind of error message
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> But mon config seems almost OK, I spend some time on it and it seems in order now, and logical
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> But I have no experience with CNC and gcode
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> So I think I must do something wrong with it
02:09 PM Tom_L: could be the gcode is coded for the 'wrong' quadrant
02:09 PM Tom_L: you think it should be an x+ move when it want's to see an x- move
02:09 PM Tom_L: just a guess but a possibility
02:11 PM andypugh: So, if I am changing HAL pins to be 64 bits, can I just delete the ilowpass wraparound test? It seems unlikely to happen in practice.
02:12 PM Tom_L: never say never but of all ppl you would be one of the most knowledgeable on that
02:17 PM Tom_L: ilowpass is mostly for mpg right?
02:18 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Tom_L: For example, my piece is 32mm diameter. If I do a touch off, and I put 32mm and select P1 (G54), why the row G54 X on the display, I don't have 32mm? Isn't the point of the touch off?
02:19 PM Tom_L: G54 is an offset from world coordinates
02:20 PM Tom_L: when you home the cnc that tells linuxcnc where the world boundaries begin
02:20 PM Tom_L: and they are either positive or negative from that point depending how you set up your home routines
02:21 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Hum OK
02:21 PM Tom_L: so setting a G54 offset at say X2, Y2 that becomes the 'new' X0 Y0
02:21 PM Tom_L: for the code
02:24 PM Tom_L: vibram, you could set the X0 Y0 coordinate to be the center of the circle if you wanted
02:24 PM Tom_L: as long as the cad cam knows where zero is
02:27 PM Tom_L: and has room to cut it still within the 'world' coordinate boundaries
02:28 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3-2.png
02:28 PM Tom_L: notice the global boundaries and where G54 is set
03:04 PM xxcoder: https://youtu.be/zpR5TN3r0d0 restoring bead roller. man he makes a lot of new parts...
03:30 PM Unterhausen: I'm officially old, my social security is approved
03:30 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> time to retire 😉
03:32 PM Tom_L: Unterhausen, hehe
03:38 PM roycroft: congratulations
03:38 PM roycroft: my social security does not exist
03:39 PM roycroft: i went into the eugene office a couple months ago with a w2 for the year of missing wages that had not been reported
03:40 PM roycroft: i found out a couple weeks later that my case worker's pending cases had all had their access revoked, and when he was able to get access again it showed that i had never worked in my life
03:40 PM roycroft: they told me to bring in all my w2s from 1973 and they would open a case to get them reimported
03:40 PM roycroft: from 1973 on, that is
03:40 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> dang!
03:41 PM roycroft: the case worker also told me that hey's being severely pushed to retire early, and may succomb to the pressure
03:41 PM roycroft: but he does have a printout of all my wages, minus the missing year, from before my account was wiped clean
03:42 PM roycroft: i contacted my congressional rep's office and found out i was not the first person to report this
03:42 PM roycroft: so they are working on it
03:42 PM xxcoder: sucks :( im worried about tht ss thing too
03:42 PM roycroft: my job may be ending very soon, and i may be retiring before i planned on doing so
03:43 PM roycroft: which is why i applied for ss at the beginning of the year
03:43 PM roycroft: it's not really enough to live on, but it's enough to help me get by until i get my new business going
03:43 PM Unterhausen: I'm pretty sure we don't have w2's going back to the '70s
03:43 PM roycroft: i know i don't
03:43 PM roycroft: i'm not sure many folks do
03:44 PM roycroft: i have them going back to 2000 or so, which is long enough to get some benefits
03:44 PM roycroft: but my monthly check would be smaller than if i provided all the way back to 1973
03:44 PM roycroft: i've submitted the last 5 years worth, which is all they say they can process at a time
03:44 PM Unterhausen: they had all my earnings when I applied last month
03:45 PM roycroft: they have to open a case with the irs for those five years, and when the irs responds in a few months they will add those wages
03:45 PM roycroft: then i can give them 5 more years
03:45 PM roycroft: they had all my earnings except for one year when i applied
03:45 PM roycroft: that one year was odd - my boss started paying me from one of his other companies mid-year, so i got 2 w2s that year
03:46 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> be lucky if i live long enough for SS...
03:46 PM roycroft: his cpa died mid tax season, and while she prepared both w2s, she only submitted one of them to the irs and to social security
03:46 PM roycroft: whoever cleaned things up after her death overlooked the missing w2s
03:47 PM roycroft: but while ss claim that the doge people never got access to alter anything, when they stormed in the locked everyone out while the conducted their "audit", and when the workers got access again my wages had somehow gone missing
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> seems fishy
03:48 PM roycroft: i'm fairly confident it will all get sorted in the end, but i have no idea how long that's going to take
03:48 PM xxcoder: yeah. picture same happening to someone who cant afford to get even late payment
03:49 PM roycroft: and frankly, with all the extra expenses i've incurred from moving, medical issues, and my pickup breaking down, my savings are slim
03:49 PM roycroft: i can't afford to live for more than a few months on savings
03:49 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i have just a month worth of savings...
03:50 PM xxcoder: I dont have any savings sadly
03:50 PM roycroft: i guess they call this my "tax break"
03:50 PM roycroft: like the "tax break" tariffs
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> yeah, as in broken
03:50 PM roycroft: that are costing me money
03:53 PM Unterhausen: earnings record doesn't come up on my account either, hopefully it doesn't matter
03:53 PM Unterhausen: I didn't think doge had access to that
03:55 PM roycroft: well my application has been pending since january
03:55 PM roycroft: so it matters in that respect
03:56 PM roycroft: allegedly doge have read-only access to all ss records
03:56 PM roycroft: well, had, because a judge enjoined doge from accessing the stuff
03:56 PM roycroft: but this adminstration does not care about the rule of law or judicial decisions
03:56 PM Tom_L: you have more issues than anyone i know
03:56 PM xxcoder: I wouldnt trust them to remove their copies of disks
03:56 PM roycroft: they may still have full access
03:56 PM Tom_L: were you just born lucky?
03:57 PM roycroft: i guess
03:57 PM roycroft: i don't believe that anything was deleted
03:57 PM roycroft: what i think is that there is a permissions problem with my records at ss
03:57 PM roycroft: that my stuff is still there, but my case worker and myself cannot see it
03:58 PM roycroft: i do not believe that anybody intentionally deleted my records
03:59 PM Tom_L: they don't get in a rush either
03:59 PM roycroft: no
04:26 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Yes, MPG. I don’t see anyone being patient enough to overflow S64 with an MPG.
04:31 PM JT-Shop: yay the vmc still has it's memory
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> shit - I should start up the mazak and charge its batteries
04:33 PM andypugh: Top Tip! When tightening a cage-clamp in a DIN terminal block, make sure your wire is actually inside the clamp….
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - that is the story of my life..
04:33 PM andypugh: Took me ages to work out why my Mesa cards were cetting 1.27V on the 5V supply.
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> always tug...
04:34 PM andypugh: Until yeterday I would have said that I alway do…
04:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep. me too - but I have run into that atleast twice
04:35 PM JT-Shop: I always pull on the wire after tightening the screw on any kind of terminal
04:35 PM JT-Shop: the vmc did toss out an axis fault but homed the second time
04:35 PM Unterhausen: I have gotten the wire on the wrong side of the clamp, but now I take longer to put it in
04:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> opening the cage clamp all the way open helps..
04:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but still
04:39 PM andypugh: Just watching Engels Coach Shop on YouTube, and he is beating something into shape with what looks like a Thor No2 rawhide hammer. Is there a US supplier of similar hammers, or do they actually ship them to the US?
04:41 PM andypugh: https://www.thorhammer.com/product/01-012/
04:41 PM JT-Shop: knowing engels he makes them lol
04:43 PM roycroft: dave engels' channel is one of my favorites
04:43 PM roycroft: i don't know about those hammers, though
04:43 PM roycroft: it's hard to find good quality rawhide hammers these days
04:43 PM andypugh: Crikey, but the big ones are expensive. But I suppose that’s the best part of 10kg of copper on the end, and a very small market: https://www.thorhammer.com/product/24-5729000fg/
04:44 PM roycroft: yes, they are expensive
04:44 PM roycroft: <jpa-> skunkworks8841@: heh, does someone actually use hectometers and dekaliters? :D
04:44 PM roycroft: *** lechner (~lechner@debian/lechner) has joined channel #linuxcnc
04:44 PM roycroft: <lcnc-relay> <lechner (@lechner:matrix.org)> Hi, what are common file extensions for G-code besides
04:44 PM roycroft: +.nc and .gcode, please? I have two applications that accept one but not the other. Thanks!
04:44 PM roycroft: *** lechner has left channel #linuxcnc (Using Circe, the loveliest of all IRC clients)
04:44 PM roycroft: [#homeassistant] <eXistenZ> penguinponics, siri is so
04:44 PM roycroft: ack
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> huh - that website doesn't come up for me
04:45 PM roycroft: ack, that was not supposed to happen
04:45 PM andypugh: The little ones are very affordable. https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/tools-and-machining/faced-and-dead-blow-hammers/04-308-25mm-copper-soft-faced-hammer-with-wood-handle/p/ZT1007577X
04:45 PM roycroft: i hope i got flooded off before it caused too much scrollage here
04:45 PM roycroft: i sincerely apologise
04:46 PM andypugh: We got 6 lines, it was fine
04:46 PM rdtsc: smal flood.... tis but a scratch
04:46 PM roycroft: good
04:47 PM roycroft: it was like 200 lines here
04:47 PM andypugh: thorhammer does seem to be a very slow web site, that’s why I switched to zoro
04:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it finally came up
04:47 PM roycroft: thank you, libera, for your scrll control
04:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> spun for quite a while though
04:49 PM andypugh: OK, so there is a US variant, and it’s a neat design, but how much? https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/65199150
04:50 PM andypugh: Maybe Thor, at 1/10 the price do have a market in the US.
04:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - I am doing an off site backup from work using our vpn... over starlink.. It has been rock solid which suprises me. It has been copying the same file for the last 24 hours atleast. must be almost 75gb.. it has 7 hours to go.
04:52 PM Unterhausen: I bought some coper hammers from the air force salvage place, they were obviously not $6000 hammers
04:52 PM Unterhausen: someone made them, and not in a machine shop, but they work
04:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> if it fails - I am coping it manually and driving it here - lol..
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> copying
04:53 PM roycroft: sneakernet still works
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep
04:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I thought this was mostly a total backup from work - but I must have been excluding certain directories..
04:54 PM roycroft: if it were me i'd either be breaking the file up into smaller chunks and recombining them at the other end, or using some kind of resumable backup tool
04:54 PM roycroft: cat file | uuencode | split
04:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> supposedly rsync resumes - but I have never tried it.
04:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> *has the abillity..
04:54 PM roycroft: yeah, i've done resumable rsync before
04:55 PM roycroft: it's really slow, because when it resumes, it has to compare the backup with the source to see what's missing
04:55 PM roycroft: split(1) works very well though
04:55 PM roycroft: and you don't need to uuencode if you're sure the transport pipe is 8-bit clean
04:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I will have to try it.
04:56 PM roycroft: for a file that size i'd probably split into 5GB or so chunks
04:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but it probably isn't a problem.. I think this is the only file that is this big. (a backup of a rip server - something we don't take care of) most of our files are way less than 10gb
05:00 PM roycroft: the rule of the internet is that your file will get to 99.9% complete, then the connection will drop unexpectedly and you'll have to start over
05:09 PM * roycroft is on vacation until wednesday next as of right now!
05:11 PM * JT-Shop will take a couple of days off next week with 6 motors converted and 1 to go
05:12 PM JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/zpR5TN3r0d0?t=1592
05:12 PM JT-Shop: the filing technique is interesting
05:12 PM andypugh: I am meant to be on holiday, but I am flying from Heathrow, and Heathrow has a big problem: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/03/21/world/heathrow-airport-power-outage-fire
05:16 PM roycroft: yes, heathrow was out of commission for a while
05:16 PM roycroft: better to drive to glasgow and fly from there
05:16 PM roycroft: that's where many inbound flights to heathrow were redirected
05:18 PM roycroft: i should head out to the shop and start getting some work done
05:18 PM roycroft: i don't want my holidays lollygagging about
05:36 PM JT-Shop: when I worked in Africa the few times I flew from London to New Orleans those were the longest flights I've ever been on
05:38 PM JT-Shop: much easier on the body was New Orleans to New York to Zurich to Zaire
05:41 PM JT-Shop: with an overnight stay in Zurich
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07:33 PM rifraf: JT-Shop Brisbane AU to Paris is a long haul, like 30 hours, is ok going there with the excitement and endless vodka, but the journey home is a loong slow one
07:54 PM roycroft: brisbane to perth is a long haul
07:56 PM roycroft: so the last major bit of work that remained before i could call my wood shop "functional" is finally done - i have remote power to the dust collector
07:56 PM roycroft: i had been going out to the shed to turn the dust collector on every time i used a machine, then back out to turn it off
07:56 PM xxcoder: awesome
07:56 PM rifraf: heh bne to perth just 3 or 4 hours, driving is a long haul though
07:56 PM roycroft: do that a few dozen times/day and the time adds up to something significant
07:57 PM roycroft: now i can stand in the shop, push a button on a remote, and it turns on and off :)
07:57 PM roycroft: 2-3 days driving, i should imagine
07:57 PM roycroft: long days
08:00 PM rifraf: very, truck drivers go back and forth constantly, not an enviable job
08:01 PM roycroft: teh google maps says it's a 45 hour drive
08:02 PM roycroft: so 30 hours for an aussie :)
08:02 PM rifraf: yep is a good 48 hours even for the trucks
08:03 PM roycroft: you have those road trains in australia that look kind of crazy
08:03 PM rifraf: i have cousins that have tried to get closer to the 30 hours with 2 drivers, but back in the day before speed cameras
08:03 PM roycroft: but here in oregon we have triple trailer trucks
08:03 PM rifraf: yep they are huge
08:03 PM roycroft: which are not legal in most of the us
08:04 PM roycroft: a lot of truckers haul multiples of 2 trailers down from washington to the oregon border, then regroup as groups of 3 trailers, drive that to california, then split into double trailer rigs again
08:04 PM roycroft: it's a weird thing here
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> in michigan, we just allow double the weight per trailer
08:05 PM roycroft: but i don't think that a triple trailer rig qualifies as a road train
08:05 PM rifraf: yep, they go 60+ meters long, big thing to try overtake
08:05 PM roycroft: aussie truckers haul 6-7 trailers sometimes
08:07 PM roycroft: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/MGM_C509_Quad_Road_Train.jpg
08:07 PM rifraf: in special places in WA and the NT, not near the coast though, only the long inland roads, and on special roads for mining
08:07 PM roycroft: that's only 4 trailers, but they are big, long traiers
08:09 PM rifraf: yep massive
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> dammit i thought the worst case scenario was going to be my work factory closing down because tariffs
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i was wrong,
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> worst case is starting to run the damn tsugami cnc lathes
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> so that we dont go out of business
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the cure is worse than the disease, those tsugamis are clapped out old n busted
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> and im the only cnc guy...
08:12 PM roycroft: the longest road train ever was 113 trailers, measuring 1474.3m long
08:13 PM rifraf: wow
08:13 PM roycroft: that record was set in qld, but it was only pulled 100m
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> road train
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i wish the highway was just a roadtrain
08:13 PM roycroft: parts of western canada have road trains, but nothing like the australian ones
08:14 PM rifraf: i guess we have the space and flat roads for them
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> emphasis on flat, until basically BC
08:14 PM roycroft: and massive distances between settlements outside the eastern and southern coast
08:15 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm talking saskatchewan, manitoba, and alberta
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> looking out the window the whole time my last crosscountry fluight
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> was depressing
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i thought ill look out the window, see the country
08:15 PM rifraf: bad quality but a few nice examples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iFkKRh5kcM
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> just so.....flat and empty
08:19 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i wish i could have heard that aussie banter while the giant vessel was hitting that powerline
10:30 PM xxcoder: george foreman have left the ring
11:33 PM BorgPipe: mold in the mocasins