#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 24 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:27 AM lcnc-relay: <triwayudist@discord> anyone use lolin s2 mini?
01:52 AM Deejay: moin
02:08 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> moin
02:19 AM NetPipe: i had a dream before that stonehenge used to be a giant house with huge ass drums and a huge tuning fork and bluestone encased in conductive clay or had copper pipe around it and a crystal ontop that shot light out like a laser and made a bunch of heat.
02:20 AM xxcoder: huge ass-drums
03:11 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> triwayudist@discord: https://github.com/multigcs/linuxcnc-mpg
03:27 AM lcnc-relay: <triwayudist@discord> https://github.com/SybexX/ESP32_LinuxCNC_MotionController_RealTime/tree/main/src
03:28 AM lcnc-relay: <triwayudist@discord> my plan using lolin s2 mini as driver to my machine..... anyone have try that?
03:31 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/51816-esp32-s2-s3-linuxcnc-controller-6-axis-hardware-step-gen-usb-plug-and-play
04:19 AM Tom_L: morning
04:37 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:49 AM JT-Cave: morning
09:20 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@discord> Precision and auto mechanics 🤣😭😂
09:48 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@discord> morning, and Happy Holidays, all. 🙂
10:24 AM roycroft: uri tuchman built a clock using a set of change gears from a lathe
10:24 AM roycroft: it was an unusual chain of gears, to say the least
10:25 AM roycroft: the video is still unlisted, but i expect he'll be making it public very soon
10:44 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> nothing special about lathe change gears
10:46 AM roycroft: no, but it's a fun project
10:47 AM roycroft: it's unusual in that the gear ratios are not optimized for horology
10:47 AM roycroft: so uri had to be creative with them
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> sorry to be pedantic, but because lathes don't tell time it isn't unusual they are not optimized for horology
10:49 AM roycroft: it's unusual from the point of view of horology
10:50 AM roycroft: i should think the context was fairly clear
10:50 AM roycroft: the unusual aspect is not with the gears per se, but the use of those gears in that project
10:51 AM Scopeuk: that sounds like a fun if potentially frustrating project
10:51 AM roycroft: if he were making a lathe using those gears i would not ascribe that attribute to them
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> what you want to say is uri is unusual
10:51 AM roycroft: spoiler alert: he could not make the hour hand and the minute hand coaxial because of the gearing
10:52 AM roycroft: well yes
10:52 AM roycroft: if you've ever seen any of his videos you would know that :)
10:52 AM roycroft: so i suspect you have not
10:52 AM roycroft: they are entertaining, and you might want to check them out
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B7a0jItTu9o
10:53 AM roycroft: he had to make the escapement gear, of course, as a lathe change gear could not be used for that
10:54 AM roycroft: for that he cut a gear template oversize on a laser engraver/cutter, then used his pantograph to machine the actual size gear out of brass
10:56 AM roycroft: that video is not loading
10:56 AM roycroft: i'm getting a spinning circle of refusal
10:57 AM roycroft: followed by a rectangle of inky darkness
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> https://youtube.com/shorts/B7a0jItTu9o?si=7aM8-4QuzbmKGjSm
11:01 AM roycroft: the extended url delivers the same result
11:01 AM roycroft: but that is ok
11:01 AM roycroft: i do not need all the urls to consider my life complete
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> likely that you are too old for shorts
11:13 AM roycroft: other shorts are fine - it's more likely a cloudflare or whoever caching issue
11:13 AM roycroft: questionable content still gives me a black screen, and it's been weeks since that site moved
11:14 AM * roycroft has tried multiple computers and they all have the black screen
11:14 AM roycroft: jacques is aware of the problem and posted a work-around some time ago that does not work any more
11:15 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> sounds like you've been pwned
11:15 AM roycroft: see above
11:15 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> although, i just had some "black screens" but it was my GPU and i just had to restart firefox and reload my 250 tabs.
11:16 AM roycroft: again, see above
11:16 AM roycroft: i've used multiple computers
11:16 AM roycroft: the creator of the comic is aware that folks in the us were not able to load his site after the move
12:08 PM rdtsc: would you believe... think I was hacked. Life360 shows me leaving my house at 2am and going to nearby appartments for half an hour. June 2024 Life360 was hacked and 443k credentials stolen; reports indicate that the hackers have been extorting users. But to do this, to my wife, on Christmas Eve? WTF
12:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:13 PM rdtsc: I have 24/7 video showing nobody ever left the house, but of course she believes I could have somehow doctored the footage
12:14 PM rdtsc: well back to trying to save my marriage, for something I never did
12:15 PM jpa-: so uh, a relationship that relies on position tracking and trusts the app more than the person?
12:16 PM jpa-: it's not like it's that hard to get another phone if you really want to cheat..
12:17 PM jpa-: i bet that could happen even by the phone losing GPS and seeing only the neighbours wifi for some reason
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> rebooting proxmox seems to have fixed it. It was a little dodgy for a bit but everyting seems to be running snappy
12:40 PM roycroft: that's always been my experience
12:41 PM roycroft: when the memory leak starts, the hypervisor slows way down, and a reboot always fixes it
12:41 PM roycroft: occasionally, if i catch it early enough, a reboot of the vm that's consuming the most resources will avoid having to reboot the hypervisor
12:41 PM roycroft: but that's not something one should count on
12:44 PM roycroft: and speaking of poor garbage collection, it's time to restart firefox again
12:45 PM * roycroft waits for the load to drop from 44 to <1 before doing so
12:45 PM xxcoder: https://tenor.com/view/fire-fox-foxes-chaos-stampede-gif-4895022
12:45 PM xxcoder: ;)
12:45 PM xxcoder: yeah I dont know why many firefox users have memory issues, I dont
12:46 PM roycroft: i run the developer edition, and that may be the reason
12:47 PM roycroft: i have a plugin that does not work in the standard edition
12:47 PM roycroft: anyway, the load is about low enough for a restart
12:48 PM roycroft: and it will restore the windows from my previous session, so it's a minor annoyance
12:49 PM xxcoder: yeah. in my case it loads tabs and not websites till I click on em
12:49 PM xxcoder: gonna love that plugin
12:49 PM xxcoder: makes browser load very fast
12:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> I use a book.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UE63HWRNMU7zoJKK8
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <xxcoder@discord> triwayudist@discord: I dont recommend using stickers and reacts, it dont make across bridge so its essentially invisible outside discord. 🙂
12:51 PM roycroft: i don't know what stickers and reacts are
12:51 PM roycroft: so i am pretty sure i won't use them
12:51 PM xxcoder: impossible on irc
12:51 PM xxcoder: reacts best you can do is use unicode lol 🙂
12:52 PM roycroft: i still have some of the firefox magazines, skunkworks
12:52 PM roycroft: and i have a bunch of the books - i don't know when they stopped publishing them, but i have 1-6
12:53 PM * roycroft thinks that's all of them, but would have to check to be sure
12:53 PM xxcoder: scanned any books or magazines so far?
12:53 PM roycroft: they are shelved near my whole earth catalogs and dome building books :)
12:53 PM roycroft: no
12:53 PM roycroft: other than some test scans of a few pages
12:53 PM roycroft: if i can't get the seal for my axle shaft today i might have time for something like that soon
12:54 PM * roycroft hopes he can get the seal
12:54 PM xxcoder: thats cool
12:54 PM roycroft: i have other work to do in the studio, though
12:54 PM xxcoder: yeah definitely need truck first
12:54 PM roycroft: i have a shelf to put up that i've not gotten around to
12:54 PM roycroft: i picked up the shelf board itself right before the pickup broke
12:54 PM roycroft: once that shelf is up a lot of things will go on the shelf, and the floor will be much tidier
12:55 PM * roycroft wishes he could find his cabinet hardware so he could put the shelves in the cabinets and install the doors
12:55 PM roycroft: once those cabinets are functional the studio will be way neater
12:55 PM roycroft: right now the book scanner is set up on my leatherworking desk, with a bunch of stuff piled up around it
12:56 PM roycroft: the shelf i need to put up is for leatherworking tools and supplies, so that will help clear off that desk
12:56 PM xxcoder: I see you havent found that trick where you just drop thing and it gets completed aka youtube videos, some of em lol
12:56 PM roycroft: no
12:57 PM roycroft: i need to start my youtube content creator career, though
12:57 PM roycroft: i see the need for that
12:57 PM roycroft: free machines, tools, and supplies from various vendors
12:57 PM roycroft: magical work flows that compress by orders of magnitude vs the standard work flow
12:57 PM xxcoder: indeed lol
12:57 PM roycroft: not to mention the millions of adoring fans
12:58 PM roycroft: and most of all, after i become heavily monitized, google will finally approve of me
12:58 PM roycroft: which is what i need for my life to be complete
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Fv6GENwdztsK51C9
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> I have reading materials if I ever get to them
01:01 PM roycroft: i've been watching some book collector videos on teh youtube, primarily ones that do cataloging, as i'm curious about cataloging software
01:02 PM roycroft: since i moved, my books are in a jumbled mess, and i'm starting to get them sorted a bit
01:02 PM xxcoder: I used librarything for that
01:02 PM xxcoder: and cuecat to scan in books much faster
01:02 PM roycroft: i'm going to get rid of a lot, but i also have hundreds that i've never cataloged
01:03 PM xxcoder: https://www.librarything.com/ well recommanded from me
01:03 PM roycroft: i'm using readerware currently
01:04 PM roycroft: i've been using it for years - it has a nice os x app, can store data in a remote postgresql database, which makes it easy for me to access the data on any machine
01:04 PM roycroft: but i need to do a lot of work with the catalog
01:05 PM roycroft: and since there's so much to do, i thought i'd check out what other folks are using, as redoing it from scratch would not be a horrible thing NOW
01:05 PM roycroft: but after i get it all udpated, converting to something else would not be pleasant
01:06 PM roycroft: anyway, in one of the videos a person mentioned that if a collection is over 1000 books, it's considered a "private library", and not a "book collection", but various library associations
01:06 PM xxcoder: im still trying to confirm that librarything still offers lifetime membership
01:06 PM roycroft: so i found out that i actually have a private library :)
01:07 PM roycroft: i like that your electrical cable library is near your magazine library, skunkworks
01:07 PM roycroft: keeping collections together like that is nice
01:08 PM * roycroft prefers a self-hosted catalog
01:08 PM roycroft: it appears that libraryanything is cloud-based
01:08 PM roycroft: er, librarything
01:08 PM xxcoder: oh librarything is completely free now
01:08 PM xxcoder: no wonder I couldnt find its membership store anymore
01:09 PM xxcoder: and still no ads. nice
01:09 PM xxcoder: I paid $25 for lifetime over 15 years ago lol
01:11 PM xxcoder: you can export data
01:12 PM xxcoder: https://www.librarything.com/more/import
01:12 PM xxcoder: oh wow https://www.librarything.com/more/store/cuecat they still sell em lol and very cheap
01:13 PM roycroft: i tried evergreen once but there's just way too much there
01:13 PM roycroft: and it takes heaps of configuration
01:13 PM roycroft: evergreen is an open source lms that is used by many public libraries
01:13 PM roycroft: i don't need most of what i thas
01:14 PM xxcoder: librarything do also sell library services, called tinycat but yeah its not needed
01:14 PM roycroft: i tried a couple other open source apps before, but they were fairly crude and only spoke dewey
01:14 PM roycroft: i always found the dewey system limiting and annoying
01:15 PM roycroft: i've always use the library of congress cataloging system
01:15 PM roycroft: so anything i get needs to speak lcs
01:17 PM * roycroft will probably stick with what he has
01:18 PM roycroft: readerware runs on macos, windows, and linux
01:18 PM roycroft: and i already own it
01:18 PM roycroft: and it does the job pretty well
01:18 PM roycroft: oh, and i am off work now :)
01:19 PM * roycroft gets ready to go to town and deal with the last-minute feeding frenzy
01:19 PM xxcoder: lol
01:19 PM xxcoder: carry something thats currently some fad so you can throw it and run if youre being crowded by shop sharks
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> roycroft: that is the unfinished part of the house
01:20 PM roycroft: in my house, "the unfinished part" is the whole house
01:20 PM roycroft: i mainly need to go to the parts store and a couple grocery markets
01:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Pretty close to the same 🙂
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Making meatballs currently
01:21 PM roycroft: if i can clear the back of my car out quickly, i might go to the old shop and grab what i can fit in the car that's of value
01:21 PM roycroft: assuming there's anything left in the old shop
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Going for finger foods tonight
01:21 PM roycroft: my horizontal band saw, an oxy-acetylene torch set, my belt grinder, and my winch for the pickup were there
01:21 PM roycroft: as well as my paint cabinet and my painting cart
01:22 PM roycroft: oh, and my media blaster
01:22 PM roycroft: a bunch of other stuff, but that's what i need to get
01:22 PM roycroft: the big things probably won't go away
01:22 PM roycroft: i'm worried that someone may steal the winch, though
01:22 PM roycroft: the problem is that i can't lift it by myself
01:23 PM roycroft: it's on a hitch mount, and my plan was to back the pickup to the door, and use a cart to wheel it out and slide it into the hitch receiver
01:23 PM roycroft: lifting it up into the back of my car - that's a lot harder
01:23 PM * roycroft may try to recruit a friend to help with that this weekend if he can't get it before then
01:24 PM roycroft: i really have 2-3 pickup loads of stuff to get to be done moving
01:24 PM roycroft: other than the dump/scrap yard runs
01:25 PM roycroft: renting a u-haul won't work because i need a 4wd vehicle to get back to the shop
01:25 PM xxcoder: wonder if you can set sloped wood and use winch to winch itself up into car
01:26 PM roycroft: i'll just get a friend
01:26 PM roycroft: it's barely too heavy for me to lift
01:26 PM JT-Shop: got the truck back together?
01:26 PM roycroft: in fact, if i had to, i could unbolt it from the hitch mount
01:26 PM roycroft: no
01:26 PM roycroft: i was sold the wrong axle seal
01:26 PM JT-Shop: that sucks
01:26 PM roycroft: i'm heading into town in a few minutes for errands
01:26 PM roycroft: and i'll try to get the seal then
01:26 PM roycroft: yeah, it's the next thing i need to do
01:27 PM roycroft: once i get the axle installed i'll see what else needs to be done
01:27 PM roycroft: and what other wrong parts i got
01:27 PM * JT-Shop goes to take the power steering pump loose so he can replace the lower control arm bolt
01:27 PM roycroft: it should go back together pretty quickly, once i have everything in eed
01:27 PM roycroft: like in a couple hours at most
01:29 PM JT-Shop: I'm running out of parts for the C3 front suspension... and at the start there was a big pile
01:30 PM xxcoder: fun lol
01:31 PM Tom_L: somebody must be stealing them
01:31 PM xxcoder: I wonder which is worse, missing parts or havng extra parts after project is done
01:31 PM Tom_L: been gone all morning.. the Mrs has been talking to me all morning thinking i was down stairs
01:32 PM Tom_L: she'd bee ill so i let her sleep in
01:48 PM JT-Shop: hmm I forgot to paint a small part...
03:09 PM * JT-Shop takes 5
03:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> cleaned the counter top in the kitchen.. I don't think it has been totally cleaned off in 10 years.
03:16 PM JT-Shop: I have at least one part left over because it didn't fit properly
03:27 PM JT-Shop: and one extra part they sent me that was supposed to be canceled
03:40 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:56 PM xxcoder: just finished refilling water tank and did some maintance. fun!
04:13 PM JT-Shop: do you have to haul water in?
04:14 PM xxcoder: well pipe it in but yeah
04:15 PM xxcoder: I had to take advange of short good weather sunny day
04:15 PM xxcoder: shocking really, it was predicted to be rainy all week
04:15 PM JT-Shop: same here
04:28 PM JT-Shop: how long does a tank of water last?
04:29 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
04:29 PM xxcoder: looks like 2 to 3 weeks
04:29 PM xxcoder: water tank was 1/3 full but I went to fill it anyway because such nice weather
04:29 PM JT-Shop: that's not too bad
04:29 PM xxcoder: yeah
04:33 PM xxcoder: last time I had to do a refill, it was in very heavy rain
04:33 PM xxcoder: it was so bad it was almost would be faster if I just attached a funnel to get rain in
04:34 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:38 PM xxcoder: avocodo is surpising doing very well. 2 of its newer leaves is growing quite quickly
04:38 PM Tom_itx: front end all back together now?
04:39 PM xxcoder: considering few days ago it fell into floor in seed water vase so I had to put it in sink with water till I could get a vise and soil for it
04:39 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:39 PM xxcoder: vase
04:39 PM xxcoder: supposely it would be in transplant shock for a week but it just kept growing
04:39 PM xxcoder: week to month
04:41 PM JT-Shop: forgot to paint the front mount for the lower control arm so the paint is drying on that
04:42 PM JT-Shop: so lower control arm, spring, knuckle/spindle, shock then tie rod
04:45 PM Tom_L: what's next on the repair list?
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I guess some interior stuff maybe
04:46 PM Tom_L: gas tank isn't rusted out is it?
04:46 PM JT-Shop: seems ok
04:46 PM Tom_L: i keep them full so that never happens
04:48 PM JT-Shop: I "think" you have to pull the body to replace the gas tank but I might be wrong
04:48 PM Tom_L: sounds about right
04:48 PM Tom_L: :)
04:49 PM Tom_L: all the rubber goods in good shape? hoses etc
04:49 PM JT-Shop: the suspension rubber is brand new...
04:49 PM Tom_L: you got new shocks too didn't you?
04:50 PM Tom_L: i recall talking about shocks at one point
04:50 PM JT-Shop: yup Bilstein
04:50 PM xxcoder: just dont do "life hacks" on stock springs lol
04:51 PM xxcoder: shock
04:51 PM JT-Shop: life hacks?
04:51 PM JT-Shop: I have new moog springs
04:51 PM xxcoder: yeah like using ziplocs to strunk it for install lol
04:51 PM Tom_L: you replaced the springs too ehh
04:51 PM JT-Shop: I have a spring compressor
04:51 PM xxcoder: nice
04:52 PM JT-Shop: the only thing not replace yet is the power steering control valve and actuator and that's next
04:52 PM Tom_L: is the rear coil as well?
04:52 PM Tom_L: or leaf
04:53 PM xxcoder: recently saw one where guy used vise to compress spring and used single steel wire to hold it together
04:53 PM JT-Shop: leaf that runs side to side
04:53 PM xxcoder: dang scary
04:54 PM JT-Shop: the C5 had a fiberglass rear spring
04:54 PM xxcoder: wire breaking could get wire though arm or whatever, let along huge energy ponental on compressed spring
04:55 PM JT-Shop: no problem taking the out without a spring compressor but you need one to put them back in as the orientation is important
04:56 PM Tom_L: seems they changed the rear spring after C7
04:56 PM Tom_L: coil on the C8
04:57 PM JT-Shop: mid engine C8 is quite different than the C2-C7 front engine
04:57 PM xxcoder: found that gif https://tenor.com/view/spring-car-yellow-car-part-gif-17683782 dang scary
04:58 PM JT-Shop: must be a small car spring
04:59 PM Tom_L: looks like a fairly spongy spring
04:59 PM xxcoder: probably, it dont look very large, though still very dangerous. guy wore "safety glove" at end but I dont think it would do anything
05:06 PM Tom_L: is it harder to turn the tires over with the mid engine?
05:06 PM Tom_L: more grip than slip
05:07 PM Tom_L: with all the electronics it's probably a non issue now
05:11 PM JT-Shop: the C5 started having traction control but you can turn it off...
05:12 PM JT-Shop: the C8 has 13" wide rear tires...
05:12 PM JT-Shop: and if you turn off traction control you can light them up
05:13 PM Tom_L: wonder about the ZR1 tires
05:17 PM JT-Shop: I did find out the the 00001 ZR1 will get auctioned off and the proceeds go to the red cross
05:17 PM Tom_L: that's cool
05:18 PM JT-Shop: they do that for each serial number 000001
05:18 PM Tom_L: i wonder how many test vehicles they build
05:18 PM Tom_L: typically on aircraft we would make 6 test articles for everything
05:18 PM JT-Shop: I bet quite a few
05:19 PM JT-Shop: they built 43 2013 test C4's and destroyed 42 of them
05:19 PM Tom_L: there used to be an aircraft bone yard here but it's been built over now
05:19 PM Tom_L: dunno where they moved it or get rid of test specimens now
05:20 PM Tom_L: you can see a pile sometimes around spirit
05:23 PM roycroft: well that went about as badly as expected
05:23 PM roycroft: after being told i don't know how to read a dial caliper, we finally got to the truth of the matter at the parts shop - they do not carry the seal i need
05:24 PM roycroft: so i rang up the ford dealer, wondering what their parts desk hours were today
05:24 PM roycroft: they're open until 4
05:24 PM roycroft: this i was told at 1:30
05:24 PM xxcoder: 🤦♀
05:24 PM roycroft: i let them know i'm a half hour away in the wrong direction, but on my way
05:25 PM JT-Shop: I like to use Rock Auto for most parts
05:25 PM roycroft: when i got there at 2 they had just close
05:25 PM Tom_L: i've used rock a few times
05:25 PM Tom_L: closing early for the holiday
05:25 PM JT-Shop: got all the moog parts from them
05:25 PM roycroft: when i told the folks (in sales) that i was just told they close at 4 today they said it wasn't busy and i shouldn't expect places to be open regular hours on christmas eve
05:26 PM roycroft: i pointed out that the very reason i called them ahead of time was to ascertain if they were closing early
05:26 PM roycroft: and 4 *is* early - they're normally open until 5
05:26 PM JT-Shop: oh well you will just have to go back thursday or order from rock
05:27 PM roycroft: i'll go back thursday or friday
05:27 PM roycroft: and i don't mind that per se
05:27 PM roycroft: it's the wasted trip to the dealership that i mind
05:27 PM JT-Shop: do they have the part in stock?
05:27 PM roycroft: i have no idea
05:27 PM roycroft: they probably do
05:27 PM xxcoder: did you in least haul in some stuff from old home?
05:27 PM Tom_L: maybe you should find that out too
05:28 PM JT-Shop: I would make sure they had it before driving
05:28 PM roycroft: they don't like to talk to customers on the phone who are not mechanics
05:28 PM roycroft: no, i did not go to the old house
05:28 PM roycroft: i wanted to get my trip to town done early, so i did not unload the car
05:28 PM JT-Shop: wow I don't have that problem with chevy
05:28 PM roycroft: i'll unload it before i go back to town, though
05:29 PM Tom_L: yeah the cheby dealers here are decent
05:29 PM Tom_L: as are honda i found out
05:29 PM roycroft: this ford dealership don't even want to talk to me unless i have the vin for the vehicle with me
05:29 PM Tom_L: vin is important on some parts
05:29 PM roycroft: they're almost as bad as a volkswagen dealer
05:29 PM JT-Shop: so that's not a problem to have the vin
05:30 PM Tom_L: i keep one on my phone
05:30 PM roycroft: yeah, except i hadn't had to have it before
05:30 PM roycroft: and i did not bring it with me the other day, having never been asked for it before
05:30 PM Tom_L: same with mower parts
05:30 PM roycroft: my insurance doesn't have electronic proof of insurance cards
05:30 PM Tom_L: model & sn
05:30 PM roycroft: i'm going to put it on my phone though, before i go back
05:31 PM JT-Shop: yup I have all my vins on the phone
05:31 PM roycroft: my old insurance had all the vehicles and their vins printed on the proof of insurance
05:31 PM Tom_L: you been down that road a time or two you learn to gather all that stuff
05:31 PM roycroft: the new insurance issues me a separate proof of insurance card for each vehicle
05:31 PM JT-Shop: and call before you drive
05:31 PM Tom_L: i have copies of all the ins cards in my wallet as well
05:31 PM roycroft: i'll call and see if they will talk to me
05:32 PM roycroft: if not, i have other business in town
05:32 PM roycroft: and at the very least they should be able to order the part in quickly if they don't have it
05:32 PM roycroft: unless it's made in canada, where a lot of ford parts are made
05:32 PM JT-Shop: what I usually do is look up the part number online and then call
05:32 PM roycroft: the canada post strike just ended, and both they and the private carriers are way behind in shipping
05:33 PM roycroft: fedex/dhl/ups got a lot of extra business when canada post went on strike
05:33 PM roycroft: and that got them behind
05:33 PM JT-Shop: oh good I have a package to a customer waiting on the strike to end
05:33 PM roycroft: yeah, it ended last week
05:33 PM xxcoder: considering strike was forced to end, workers probably will be quite low effort
05:33 PM roycroft: so you can ship it now
05:34 PM roycroft: and it will get to the border by the end of the week
05:34 PM roycroft: and get to your customer by mid-january
05:34 PM JT-Shop: it's been in limbo for quite a while
05:34 PM JT-Shop: in Chicago
05:34 PM roycroft: we'll see if the strike is really over
05:34 PM Tom_L: seems they cross there or on the left coast
05:34 PM roycroft: they're working again for now, but they did not reach a settlement
05:34 PM roycroft: they were ordered back to work by a court
05:34 PM roycroft: those orders are usually temporary
05:35 PM JT-Shop: they must be happy now
05:35 PM roycroft: a lot of shipping to and from canada goes through new york, near buffalo and rochester
05:35 PM roycroft: a lot through detroit/windsor
05:35 PM JT-Shop: everything I ship goes through chicago
05:35 PM roycroft: a lot, believe it or not, through montana into alberta
05:36 PM roycroft: yeah, but chicago is not on the border
05:36 PM Tom_L: that's cause we're in the middle
05:36 PM roycroft: i bet it goes from chicago to detroit
05:36 PM roycroft: and there's a lot of shipping from washington to bc
05:37 PM Tom_L: at least they don't have to dig tunnels up there
05:37 PM roycroft: if you ship something from maine to new brunswick, which border each other, it's going to go to new york or detroit before it gets to canada
05:38 PM roycroft: if they did dig tunnels they would have to put up a sign that says "sorry!" every time the dig into a groundhog burrow
05:39 PM roycroft: all those tiny signs would get expensive
05:40 PM * roycroft moves on to plan b for his time off, which involves not working on his vehicle and not hauling a load with the pickup
05:40 PM xxcoder: https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/well-thats-not-a-good-sign-isabelle-white.jpg
05:45 PM JT-Shop: just got an email from dewey that his shipment arrived in good condition
05:45 PM xxcoder: nice! just in time lol
05:46 PM JT-Shop: he has done a lot of work for emc
05:50 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
05:57 PM Tom_L: yes he has
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> Finally to the point on my Mill build, where i am ready to wire the mesa 7C80 to the VFD for the spindle, i am completely at a loss (looking at the 7c80 diagram and the manual for the vfd)
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: VFD Manual - https://workerbeeit.com/H100SeriesManual.pdf
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: Link to diagrams - https://imgur.com/a/zZQfuPE
05:59 PM Tom_L: analog or modbus?
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> vfd does have rs485 pins
05:59 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with the 7C80 pinout
06:00 PM Tom_L: that's the rpi thing right?
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> i linked the spindle pinout on imgur, yes its the rpi controller
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> i'm looking for physical pinout at this point, not config
06:02 PM Tom_L: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=345
06:02 PM Tom_L: Spindle control includes a high speed differential or single-ended encoder input for spindle feedback and an isolated analog spindle interface with real time speed and direction control.
06:03 PM Tom_L: so analog it appears
06:03 PM Tom_L: probably 0-10v
06:03 PM Tom_L: hopefully your vfd allows for analog input
06:03 PM Tom_L: with enable etc
06:04 PM Tom_L: it's the easiest
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> can you take a look at the imgur link that includes the pin layout for the vfd with the pin description, that's where i am lost
06:06 PM Tom_L: ena +- and dir +- are for differential input
06:07 PM Tom_L: you can likely use them single ended
06:07 PM Tom_L: which then you would probably use the + side
06:07 PM Tom_L: spindle+ could be the analog in?
06:07 PM Tom_L: do some research and don't take my word for it
06:08 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> yeah, looks like im at a hard stop for now, will make a post on the forums
06:08 PM Tom_L: AI1 is analog in 0-10v
06:08 PM Tom_L: it says so
06:09 PM Tom_L: on the 2nd page
06:09 PM Tom_L: AI2 sets current or voltage input
06:09 PM Tom_L: you want voltage
06:10 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> the mill came with a Mach3 board, which i don't want to use for several reasons. may end up needing a different vfd
06:10 PM Tom_L: shouldn't
06:11 PM Tom_L: looks like you can use analog 0-10v for the spindle control
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> if those pins only allow 0-10v, how do i get it to spin in reverse?
06:11 PM Tom_L: that's how mine is set up
06:11 PM Tom_L: direction pin
06:11 PM Tom_L: map a mesa pin to spindle direction and use it
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> so, DR+ being high means forward, and low means reverse (single ended)
06:12 PM Tom_L: i would assume so
06:12 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> so X1 on the vfd
06:12 PM Tom_L: it could be low active...
06:12 PM Tom_L: testing will tell you
06:12 PM linext: hello, i have some lathe questions
06:12 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> welcome to the pary 😄
06:13 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> party
06:13 PM Tom_L: it looks fairly straighforward
06:13 PM linext: Is the direction left or right mean clockwise or counter-clockwise motion?
06:13 PM Tom_L: linext, what phase is the moon in?
06:13 PM Tom_L: may vary...
06:13 PM linext: i'm using a mini cnc lathe and it turns counter-clockwise
06:14 PM Tom_L: facing the chuck clockwise is fwd
06:14 PM linext: the lathe is not doing what the simulator is doing so i think something is swapped or mirrored
06:14 PM Tom_L: yeah the sim is just that
06:14 PM Tom_L: mine doesn't always agree with real life either
06:15 PM linext: i'm 3d printing a cylinder in PETG to try to cut out a chess piece
06:15 PM linext: rounding the edges of a 5mm piece of steel is hard to see what it's doing
06:15 PM linext: seems like either x or z is reversed
06:15 PM Tom_L: actually i take that back
06:16 PM Tom_L: facing the chuck ccw is fwd on a front tool lathe
06:16 PM Tom_L: see there are lathes with tools in front or rear
06:16 PM linext: it seemed like it expected the cutter to be on the opposite side
06:16 PM linext: https://i.ibb.co/dL1xZj1/image.png
06:17 PM Tom_L: you'll have to figure that out between your cad and machine
06:17 PM linext: ok
06:17 PM linext: my 2nd question, does a 2mm parameter tool cut stainless steel?
06:18 PM Tom_L: if it's made for cutting ss it is
06:18 PM Tom_L: stainless isn't the ideal material to learn on
06:18 PM Tom_L: it work hardens very easy
06:19 PM xxcoder: it almost feels like stainless work hardens as soon as you start planning to make part out of it
06:19 PM linext: i was able to get the right shape in manual mode
06:20 PM linext: it didn't really get hot
06:20 PM linext: what would be the name of the 2mm cutter in the screenshot? https://i.ibb.co/dL1xZj1/image.png
06:21 PM Tom_L: that's not a standard insert cutter shape
06:21 PM Tom_L: closest to that would be a diamond cutter shape
06:21 PM linext: yea, it looked fragile
06:21 PM linext: I have a shape D -30
06:21 PM Tom_L: https://www.mcmaster.com/products/diamond-inserts/carbide-inserts-for-internal-profiling-carbide-insert-holders/?s=diamond-inserts
06:23 PM Tom_L: AITiCrN coated for stainless
06:24 PM linext: i've been using these: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805889542430.html
06:24 PM Tom_L: ali
06:24 PM Tom_L: haha
06:24 PM Tom_L: you get what you pay for
06:25 PM linext: so far they are still sharp
06:25 PM xxcoder: ali tools seem to be getting better and better
06:25 PM xxcoder: less butteralloy stuff
06:28 PM Tom_L: ccatlett1984, read the settings on Page2 to set the vfd up for analog input
06:29 PM Tom_L: A0 AI1 AI2
06:30 PM Tom_L: and the Jumpers
06:31 PM Tom_L: RS485 (J4) is for modbus
06:31 PM Tom_L: and note the factory settings
06:32 PM Tom_L: it shows the pinout for both
06:47 PM linext: do these two screenshots match? https://ibb.co/album/PGc1Yj
07:05 PM Tom_L: no
07:07 PM Tom_L: tool orientation is off
07:07 PM linext: for universal gcode sender, i don't know how to turn on the labels for each axis
07:08 PM Tom_L: it's just a sender
07:08 PM Tom_L: it shouldn't translate anything
07:08 PM linext: it has a visualizer in light blue
07:08 PM Tom_L: the one has the tool moving in Z not X
07:09 PM linext: i believe they both move in Z
07:09 PM Tom_L: one is cutting, the other is plunging
07:10 PM Tom_L: the red model looks more correct
07:10 PM Tom_L: if the yellow in the other one is the tool, it's wrong
07:11 PM Tom_L: you should define a clear point too so the tool retracts after each pass
07:13 PM linext: added, https://i.ibb.co/bLV9wzv/image.png
07:14 PM linext: i wish GrblGru would connect to the controller
07:14 PM linext: it seems stuck in Simulation for the Controller
07:15 PM linext: oh wait, if I choose Port then I can choose Controller
07:15 PM linext: I'm 3d printing out a cylinder the same size as the chess piece
07:15 PM Tom_L: a wood dowel would do
07:15 PM Tom_L: broom handle?
07:16 PM Tom_L: you don't use it anyway
07:16 PM Tom_L: ;)
07:16 PM linext: believe it or not, aliexpress sells wooden rods very cheap
07:16 PM Tom_L: so does any hardware store
07:16 PM linext: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806810411111.html
07:16 PM linext: 50pcs 5mm x 100mm for $2.54
07:17 PM Tom_L: cheaper than plastic
07:17 PM linext: it'll be about 2 weeks until delivery
07:18 PM Tom_L: got a local hardware store?
07:19 PM linext: i was watching a documentary on mass produced jewelry
07:19 PM linext: the shipper said 6 people can ship 3000 items in one day
07:19 PM linext: in an 8 hour day, that's 500 items per person, or 1 item per minute on average
07:20 PM linext: i think they under-reported how many hours they work
07:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWgviZZi7lM
07:30 PM roycroft: consider that earrings are generally sold in pairs
07:31 PM roycroft: that doubles the items shipped per unit time
07:32 PM Tom_L: does that make it one unit or two?
07:33 PM roycroft: it's two items
07:33 PM Tom_L: what about a 'pair' of glasses?
07:33 PM Tom_L: english is wonderful
08:09 PM xxcoder: wow still completely clear. which means its going to be very cold
08:09 PM roycroft: the gaelic word is "speuclairean" and it is a plural noun, but does not translate as "pair of glasses"
08:10 PM roycroft: it is interesting, though, that it's the plural form, because gaelic has three numbers - one, two, and plural
08:10 PM roycroft: most nouns take the same form for one or two
08:11 PM roycroft: and a different form for >2
08:12 PM roycroft: so you have, for example, aon cat, dà cat, trì cait for one cat, two cats, three cats
08:12 PM roycroft: and i do not think that many highlanders have three or more eyes
08:14 PM roycroft: i used to dislike the newish term "atmospheric river"
08:14 PM roycroft: i thought it rather alarmist
08:14 PM roycroft: but today i appreciated the term, as i drove through essentially that on my way home from town
08:15 PM roycroft: it's going to stay unseasonably warm here, and quite wet
08:15 PM roycroft: i suspect much of the mountain snow is gone
08:15 PM roycroft: and the ski areas are going to be rather slushy on christmas
08:16 PM roycroft: well, it's above freezing at the tunnel, and just below freezing at willamette pass
08:16 PM roycroft: so while not slushy, it's very heavy snow
08:18 PM xxcoder: I wonder if I will see white plague here this year
08:18 PM xxcoder: it dont always happen
08:20 PM roycroft: i'm surprised it's clear there, even though you're in the olympic rain shadow
08:20 PM roycroft: british columbia is begin pummeled by atmospheric rivers
08:20 PM roycroft: as are we
08:21 PM roycroft: i heard on the radio this morning that one has to travel to port alberni or prince george to have a white christmas
08:21 PM roycroft: both of those towns are in the far northern part of the province
08:25 PM xxcoder: roy yeah! it never predicted clear day and night, even now. its still "rain cloudy"
08:25 PM roycroft: strange
08:27 PM xxcoder: well I sure took advange of it as much as I could lol
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10:29 PM CaptHindsight: ping
10:29 PM xxcoder: pong
10:31 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@discord> Santa came early. All the presents have already been opened so I guess we are an xmas eve present opener family now vs xmas morning
10:32 PM xxcoder: lol. we used to open gifts on eve, then "santa" gifts on day